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Speaker 1: Barry Sooper, Senior Political Correspondence with US.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got the big, big defense spend announced.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes it is, and those seven to five sevens

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Speaker 3: are finally going to be replaced. Thank goodness for that.

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Speaker 3: I mean I've traveled, I've almost got a gold card

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Speaker 3: on those things. I've traveled on them since they got

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Speaker 3: them virtually, and you know, the breaking down of them

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Speaker 3: could never you could never be assured of having a

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Speaker 3: faultless trip.

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Speaker 2: So they're going.

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Speaker 3: But the money for those will be spent in Europe,

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Speaker 3: which is interesting because they're rear busses. But if you

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Speaker 3: look at the Seahawk helicopters, they're going to get five

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Speaker 3: of those. Now that's lockeed Martin, which is of course

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Speaker 3: an American company. And asked Judith Collins, I know you're

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Speaker 3: going to be talking to her after five o'clock, but

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Speaker 3: she was asked today if this could be used as

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Speaker 3: a sweetener by our trade minister Todd McLay, who just

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Speaker 3: happens to be in Washington today to talk about those

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Speaker 3: fifteen percent tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Judith Collins says she wouldn't presume to tell mister McLay.

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Speaker 3: What to do.

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Speaker 4: I don't know because I'm not his mother and I

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Speaker 4: haven't told him what to do.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: Number one, we never discussed what goes on cabinet Number two,

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Speaker 4: as Minister Peters rightly said in one of my own

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Speaker 4: survival mechanisms is to stay in my own lane. But

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Speaker 4: I think it is obvious that we are buying the

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Speaker 4: best equipment that we can for our people with the

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Speaker 4: money we have available to meet our needs and our

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Speaker 4: interoperability requirements. So in terms of that, that will be

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Speaker 4: up to the Minister for Trade, who I have to

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Speaker 4: say is doing an outstanding job and doesn't need my guidance.

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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump will be happy, although it won't make

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Speaker 3: up that deficit in terms of trade worth three and

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Speaker 3: a half billion dollars in credit to America, So we're

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Speaker 3: not going to speak.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, is it three and a half billion annually?

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Speaker 3: It swept three and a half billion the last figures

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Speaker 3: that was annually.

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Speaker 1: I think it's annually, right, So if you do it

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Speaker 1: on a monthly basis, we might be okay with.

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Speaker 2: If Tom McClay could be persuaded, but I doubt.

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Speaker 1: It somehow, Yeah, hopefully fingers Cross. What's labor strategy for

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Speaker 1: winning next year.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's really interesting, isn't it that, Chris. There's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of talk about labor really doing very little,

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Speaker 3: and it's true, no policy letting the government they would say,

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Speaker 3: hang themselves. Well, Chris Hipkins admitted today that they weren't

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Speaker 3: prepared enough for the government when Winston Peters handed the

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Speaker 3: reins over to Jacinda durn in twenty seventeen. But if

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Speaker 3: you listen to him on Carey Woodham Show this morning,

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Speaker 3: they're not going to make that mistake again.

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Speaker 5: We weren't as well prepared for being in government in

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Speaker 5: twenty seventeen as we need it to be, and I

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Speaker 5: think I was more prepared than some of the others.

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Speaker 5: But I'm determined as a leader of the party that

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Speaker 5: next time around our MPs will all be ready. You know,

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Speaker 5: we're doing a lot of professional development with our team,

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Speaker 5: you know, getting people, getting external people in this government

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Speaker 5: to some extender. As bad as our government was in

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Speaker 5: promising things which they haven't been able to deliver.

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Speaker 1: Well, he hasn't got to Willow Jean yet, has he.

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Speaker 2: Well he also hasn't got to Peni Heinada. No, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's Henard saying quite categorically at that debate last night

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Speaker 2: that gang patches will be back on the gang members'

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Speaker 2: backs after the next tileection.

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Speaker 1: Can you just really quickly, just really quickly explain to

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Speaker 1: me the calculation. Why do they chase ten thousand gang

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Speaker 1: votes at the expense of what must be so many

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Speaker 1: more normal people votes?

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Speaker 3: I don't, I do not know. I mean you could say,

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Speaker 3: and I heard your postulation on this that normally a

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Speaker 3: person speaks to the truth when they say it first, yes,

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Speaker 3: and then now they've had time to sort of cover

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Speaker 3: it up. But look, that to me has to be

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Speaker 3: Labor Party policy. I mean, why would Peni Henarde say it?

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Speaker 2: Quite? That's what I'm saying, immediately and without hesitations.

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Speaker 1: You speak the truth the first time around, exactly. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's happening to the ability to take strike action?

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly Brooked van Walden is playing a funny game,

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Speaker 3: I think, And as the teacher strike of course yesterday,

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Speaker 3: Van Walden was pressed further by Labour's Jentinetti in Parliament

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Speaker 3: this afternoon about the government's plans for strikes and given

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Speaker 3: the teachers union strikes, but in my view she was

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Speaker 3: being altogether too smart. See what you think.

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Speaker 6: I cannot rule in arount future changes in any policy

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Speaker 6: area because government decisions are made at cabinet. Will the

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Speaker 6: government introduce barriers such as mandatory mediation periods prior to

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Speaker 6: people being legally able to strike? I would highly suspect.

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Speaker 4: If the question keeps going down.

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Speaker 6: This line, you might be starting to give the government

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Speaker 6: a lot of thoughts. Will the government introduce limitations on

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Speaker 6: when strikes can start, such as only allowing strikes during

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Speaker 6: the school holidays. The member may wish to stop giving

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Speaker 6: other colleagues of mine some ideas.

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Speaker 1: She's got your go to Brooks, got your gos?

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Speaker 2: You did get irritated stopping a smarter? Just answer the question.

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Speaker 1: I can tell Verry. Thanks very much, Verry so for

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Speaker 1: senior political correspondent.

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