1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,027 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:16,107 Speaker 2: On News Talk zb WEE can Sport continue Wing time 4 00:00:16,147 --> 00:00:19,027 Speaker 2: now as we do this time on a Sunday afternoon 5 00:00:19,107 --> 00:00:22,387 Speaker 2: to catch up with James mcconey Out of Sky the 6 00:00:22,427 --> 00:00:25,547 Speaker 2: ACC the twenty twenty three Rugby World Cup commentary with 7 00:00:25,667 --> 00:00:28,907 Speaker 2: me Various Pursuits James, good afternoon. 8 00:00:29,307 --> 00:00:32,147 Speaker 3: Oh what a CV. Thanks for adding to it. Elliott's Yeah, 9 00:00:32,187 --> 00:00:34,787 Speaker 3: good afternoon and great to be back on the show. 10 00:00:35,107 --> 00:00:37,027 Speaker 2: How good was the opening round of Super Rugby? 11 00:00:37,987 --> 00:00:41,827 Speaker 3: Quill incredible? I mean, this is the best advertisement is 12 00:00:42,227 --> 00:00:46,547 Speaker 3: having absolute humdingers for games, and there were there were 13 00:00:46,587 --> 00:00:48,987 Speaker 3: ding dongs, there were barn burners, there were there were 14 00:00:49,107 --> 00:00:53,587 Speaker 3: last minute you know, nail biss the works, so whatever 15 00:00:53,627 --> 00:00:55,787 Speaker 3: cliche you want to put on the game. They had 16 00:00:55,827 --> 00:00:59,507 Speaker 3: it all. But crucially they were close. There were no blowouts, 17 00:00:59,867 --> 00:01:04,187 Speaker 3: and I think that's really a testament to teams just 18 00:01:04,387 --> 00:01:07,627 Speaker 3: basically building and also getting rid of the rebels. You know, 19 00:01:07,707 --> 00:01:11,347 Speaker 3: the Australian talent has spread now. 20 00:01:11,827 --> 00:01:14,427 Speaker 2: Which was I think everyone's been hammering away for a 21 00:01:14,467 --> 00:01:16,707 Speaker 2: few years. If you get rid of a team, the 22 00:01:16,707 --> 00:01:18,867 Speaker 2: talent will have to spread out you'll get better teams 23 00:01:18,867 --> 00:01:21,027 Speaker 2: out of it. We've been banging on have finally done it. 24 00:01:21,307 --> 00:01:24,947 Speaker 2: Credit to Phil Warren, Rugby Australia and instant improvement. 25 00:01:25,987 --> 00:01:29,787 Speaker 3: Yes, and I mean look the warrorta that was a 26 00:01:29,827 --> 00:01:34,867 Speaker 3: heartbreaker for the Islanders last minute. Try to I think 27 00:01:34,907 --> 00:01:39,067 Speaker 3: it's a CSFA, a morney, a prop who scored two 28 00:01:39,227 --> 00:01:41,867 Speaker 3: tries off the bench. And the bench is a big 29 00:01:41,907 --> 00:01:45,547 Speaker 3: talking point as well, because if you go fast forward 30 00:01:45,587 --> 00:01:49,827 Speaker 3: to the Chiefs game against the Blues, well they had 31 00:01:49,827 --> 00:01:52,907 Speaker 3: a loaded bench and Roger Randall actually explained before the game. 32 00:01:52,947 --> 00:01:56,867 Speaker 3: He said, well, the All Blacks aren't starting because they 33 00:01:56,907 --> 00:01:59,267 Speaker 3: haven't been with us that long, so we've got all 34 00:01:59,267 --> 00:02:02,907 Speaker 3: these plans and systems and it's just too much information 35 00:02:02,987 --> 00:02:05,467 Speaker 3: for them to take in. So that's why they're coming 36 00:02:05,507 --> 00:02:08,467 Speaker 3: off the bench. And man, it worked a treat. That 37 00:02:08,627 --> 00:02:12,227 Speaker 3: was an incredible win in the drizzle at Eden Park 38 00:02:12,307 --> 00:02:12,707 Speaker 3: last night. 39 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:15,747 Speaker 2: And I speaking to you yesterday, you weren't overly confident 40 00:02:15,787 --> 00:02:17,187 Speaker 2: that the Chiefs are going to be able to get 41 00:02:17,227 --> 00:02:18,387 Speaker 2: the job done. 42 00:02:18,907 --> 00:02:21,347 Speaker 3: No, I wasn't, but then I guess if I was 43 00:02:21,427 --> 00:02:24,347 Speaker 3: the One thing I was confident about was the debt 44 00:02:24,427 --> 00:02:26,267 Speaker 3: that the Chiefs had and I think that's what gave 45 00:02:26,347 --> 00:02:29,267 Speaker 3: them the win. The Blues have definitely got what you 46 00:02:29,387 --> 00:02:33,547 Speaker 3: call title winning hangover, and also maybe they realized that 47 00:02:33,827 --> 00:02:35,907 Speaker 3: there's a time of the year to peak and it's 48 00:02:35,947 --> 00:02:40,387 Speaker 3: not February, right, so and missing Hoskins Stucco that I 49 00:02:40,387 --> 00:02:43,427 Speaker 3: think that's a big loss, and possibly just trying to 50 00:02:43,427 --> 00:02:45,667 Speaker 3: bet in what to do with their teen to fifteen 51 00:02:45,667 --> 00:02:49,307 Speaker 3: combo because they had Plumber and Boden Barrett as their 52 00:02:49,507 --> 00:02:52,347 Speaker 3: first five and fullback last night. They could end up 53 00:02:52,387 --> 00:02:57,467 Speaker 3: with Petefeta and Sullivan at some point and there'd be 54 00:02:57,507 --> 00:03:00,667 Speaker 3: no loss in quality really because those guys are sort 55 00:03:00,707 --> 00:03:04,227 Speaker 3: of at their point in their careers. With our peaking, as. 56 00:03:04,067 --> 00:03:05,667 Speaker 2: You mentioned, the Chiefs being able to bring off that 57 00:03:05,747 --> 00:03:07,347 Speaker 2: bench last like they probably won't be able to do 58 00:03:07,347 --> 00:03:10,507 Speaker 2: it for the entire season. But having Leonard Brown and 59 00:03:10,747 --> 00:03:14,467 Speaker 2: Tupo Vying and Female and others come on for twenty 60 00:03:14,467 --> 00:03:17,187 Speaker 2: minute twenty five minute burst and the back end of 61 00:03:17,227 --> 00:03:20,987 Speaker 2: the game certainly made a big difference. At the back end, 62 00:03:21,027 --> 00:03:24,787 Speaker 2: with you that fatigue early season fatigue sitting in and 63 00:03:24,867 --> 00:03:27,947 Speaker 2: Mackenzie moving back into ten, I thought was a big 64 00:03:28,067 --> 00:03:29,547 Speaker 2: change lad in the fixture. 65 00:03:30,027 --> 00:03:32,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, McKenzie just looked magnificent, didn't he. I think he's 66 00:03:32,827 --> 00:03:34,547 Speaker 3: just one of those players who can turn it on 67 00:03:35,267 --> 00:03:39,147 Speaker 3: and at certain times, and he'll probably be disappointed with 68 00:03:39,227 --> 00:03:41,427 Speaker 3: things like that happened in the French Test, but that's 69 00:03:41,427 --> 00:03:44,467 Speaker 3: the only blemish of that Northern Tour for him. So 70 00:03:44,547 --> 00:03:47,507 Speaker 3: coming out there and just owning the game, being the 71 00:03:47,547 --> 00:03:51,147 Speaker 3: match winner with those two tries, I think another assist 72 00:03:51,227 --> 00:03:53,787 Speaker 3: or a sort of an assist of an assist. He 73 00:03:53,947 --> 00:03:57,227 Speaker 3: was at the forefront of everything they did well in 74 00:03:57,627 --> 00:03:59,987 Speaker 3: that second half. I just you know, like when it 75 00:03:59,987 --> 00:04:02,627 Speaker 3: comes to teens and I's lots to talk about Richard Wonger, 76 00:04:02,747 --> 00:04:07,187 Speaker 3: and he's probably delaying coming back because he's looked at 77 00:04:07,227 --> 00:04:09,747 Speaker 3: the Test matches last year and thought, well, I can 78 00:04:09,787 --> 00:04:12,827 Speaker 3: probably still come back and and be okay. But if 79 00:04:12,907 --> 00:04:15,307 Speaker 3: mackenzie keeps playing like that, then maybe Richie will try 80 00:04:15,347 --> 00:04:18,587 Speaker 3: and hasten his return because it it won't be a 81 00:04:18,587 --> 00:04:21,387 Speaker 3: walk in the scenario mackenzie keeps playing like that. 82 00:04:21,787 --> 00:04:24,547 Speaker 2: Indeed, was there a better story over the weekend than 83 00:04:24,627 --> 00:04:26,907 Speaker 2: Kyle Priston for the Crusaders on Friday night? 84 00:04:27,787 --> 00:04:32,147 Speaker 3: That is incredible? Is he a rufer something? Yeah, he's 85 00:04:32,187 --> 00:04:36,987 Speaker 3: a rufer. Yeah exactly, so he's got down, he's been 86 00:04:36,987 --> 00:04:40,187 Speaker 3: brought down to earth, but he's even better on the ground. Look, 87 00:04:40,227 --> 00:04:44,987 Speaker 3: I mean having those three tries. He came on early 88 00:04:45,027 --> 00:04:48,947 Speaker 3: for Noah hooe from seventy one minutes of rugby. Probably 89 00:04:48,947 --> 00:04:52,307 Speaker 3: wasn't expecting it. He's done all his rugby training and 90 00:04:53,187 --> 00:04:56,747 Speaker 3: in the Wellington nursery really, but then realized there was 91 00:04:56,987 --> 00:04:59,227 Speaker 3: he was sort of blocked by Canroy guards. So maybe 92 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:02,787 Speaker 3: been se his chances down at the Crusaders and it's 93 00:05:03,187 --> 00:05:05,787 Speaker 3: you know, it'll be great to see him get some 94 00:05:05,867 --> 00:05:08,347 Speaker 3: time now because I guess the spring then called No. 95 00:05:08,387 --> 00:05:10,467 Speaker 3: I hope it might take some time, who knows. But 96 00:05:11,227 --> 00:05:13,947 Speaker 3: that was really cool. And I thought the other thing 97 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:16,027 Speaker 3: about that game was a bit like the you know, 98 00:05:16,067 --> 00:05:18,907 Speaker 3: the eighties movie The Breakfast Club and the song at 99 00:05:18,947 --> 00:05:22,507 Speaker 3: the end, don't you forget about me? Just watching Carl 100 00:05:22,587 --> 00:05:25,347 Speaker 3: and Grace and Ethan Blackadder and all these guys, he 101 00:05:25,427 --> 00:05:27,587 Speaker 3: still to have to go, oh that's right. Even David 102 00:05:27,627 --> 00:05:30,467 Speaker 3: HARVELI you used to go, yeah, those guys are really good, 103 00:05:30,507 --> 00:05:34,627 Speaker 3: aren't they. And that's what they showed. And Severn Reese 104 00:05:34,707 --> 00:05:37,347 Speaker 3: is just that super rugby level is such a weapon 105 00:05:37,427 --> 00:05:40,027 Speaker 3: that you know. He had his say too with a 106 00:05:40,587 --> 00:05:43,227 Speaker 3: try and a freakish caesar and kick assist. 107 00:05:44,147 --> 00:05:45,827 Speaker 2: He certainly did one thing. I did want to get 108 00:05:45,827 --> 00:05:48,667 Speaker 2: your thoughts on as well, Artie sa Vigo and Mwana Pacifica. 109 00:05:48,707 --> 00:05:51,227 Speaker 2: They'll be guided with that, but I think we saw 110 00:05:51,267 --> 00:05:54,187 Speaker 2: the immediate left that apply like Artie can bring to 111 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:55,827 Speaker 2: Mawana Pacifica. 112 00:05:57,467 --> 00:05:57,707 Speaker 1: Yeah. 113 00:05:57,907 --> 00:06:00,627 Speaker 3: I mean Artie was immense in that game. I think 114 00:06:00,707 --> 00:06:03,147 Speaker 3: like there's there's only so much you can do in 115 00:06:03,227 --> 00:06:05,827 Speaker 3: thirty four degree heats in Perth, and he did as 116 00:06:05,867 --> 00:06:10,547 Speaker 3: much as he can. It's such another heartbreaker watching Ben Donaldson, 117 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:14,427 Speaker 3: who has got wheels sneakily he's wallabies first five, will 118 00:06:14,467 --> 00:06:19,387 Speaker 3: reserve Wallaby's first five, scoring a fifty sixty meter try 119 00:06:19,507 --> 00:06:22,627 Speaker 3: right at the death. So I looked at what Ardie's doing. 120 00:06:22,747 --> 00:06:27,267 Speaker 3: He is providing just the ultimate and leadership direction. The 121 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:31,587 Speaker 3: team looks so much stronger. There are other standouts as well, 122 00:06:31,627 --> 00:06:34,867 Speaker 3: but really Artie is going to be the glue who's 123 00:06:34,907 --> 00:06:37,027 Speaker 3: going to be everything to them in that sense. And 124 00:06:37,587 --> 00:06:42,067 Speaker 3: also nice to see players, you know, just evolving a bit. 125 00:06:42,147 --> 00:06:44,267 Speaker 3: There was Miracle Fire Lung. He looks like he's put 126 00:06:44,307 --> 00:06:49,107 Speaker 3: on about fifteen kilos. But then same with Jackson Garden Baship. 127 00:06:49,107 --> 00:06:50,827 Speaker 3: I must ever talked to him as a fuller figured 128 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:55,027 Speaker 3: first five myself. Elliott, you know you do have to 129 00:06:55,787 --> 00:06:57,747 Speaker 3: and it's always tough squeezing into that number ten. 130 00:06:57,827 --> 00:07:02,387 Speaker 2: Jersey certainly indeed. Yeah, it's fascinating. I'm putting round of 131 00:07:02,667 --> 00:07:05,747 Speaker 2: Super Rugby. It was James mcconie. Thank you very much 132 00:07:05,747 --> 00:07:07,627 Speaker 2: for your time, as was on a Sunday afternoon. 133 00:07:08,587 --> 00:07:09,827 Speaker 3: Cheers Elliott, take you mate. 134 00:07:09,907 --> 00:07:12,347 Speaker 2: That is James McCarney joining us on a Sunday as 135 00:07:12,347 --> 00:07:14,467 Speaker 2: he always does here on Weekend Sport. 136 00:07:15,787 --> 00:07:18,947 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 137 00:07:19,067 --> 00:07:22,347 Speaker 1: to news Talks it be weekends from midday, or follow 138 00:07:22,387 --> 00:07:23,987 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio