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Speaker 1: We welcome to the program. Jinny Anderson, good morning, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: and Mark Mature, Good morning, Jenny.

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Speaker 2: You might just quick question, are you looking are you

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Speaker 2: looking at putting a country music being too something together?

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Speaker 2: Because he seemed to be really promoting country music. We're

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Speaker 2: just talking to see him. The first thing he asked,

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Speaker 2: Gy and I, did you got Did you guys listen

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Speaker 2: to country music over the weekend? I said no, I

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Speaker 2: said did you and he said yep. And the Supermarke

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Speaker 2: and I said, we lined dancing in the fresh fruit.

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Speaker 1: And it's sad would have said years.

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Speaker 2: He didn't deny it. He did not deny it.

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Speaker 1: It's a very good question, Ginny. If you listened to

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Speaker 1: our new radio station, our new country radio station.

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Speaker 3: I have not, but I have made a personal note

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Speaker 3: to do so in the next short while.

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Speaker 1: What's the note, say, dear Ginny, don't forget to listen

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Speaker 1: to the country music stace.

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Speaker 3: Do you have you got any ratings yet?

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Speaker 1: You know, early days on the ratings, but Breakfast remained

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Speaker 1: strong on this station. But I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: weekend till the afternoon show afternoons.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to make any cameo appearances?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Probably enough if the Boss asked me to do a

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Speaker 1: couple of promos for it, and I think I will

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Speaker 1: do those promos and I will appear in some way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form. I think it's my future, Ginny, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, because this talk radio things coming to a

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Speaker 1: slow end. So I think I'm going to move and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Can you do a bit of like a Southern rule

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Speaker 3: you can get the magic DJ voice to and you

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Speaker 3: can get it really well.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what the boss has just told me?

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Speaker 1: The Boss has just told me he's getting close to

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Speaker 1: replacing me with the AI editorial. So the MIC's minute.

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Speaker 1: He was up last night and he was saying, write

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Speaker 1: editorial is about this, that and the next thing, and

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Speaker 1: he reckons he's nailed it and it probably won't be

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Speaker 1: long before you're being interviewed by an AI. Mike Hosking.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just not possible, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Not.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's something. There's some areas you can't go with AI,

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Speaker 2: and that's one of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope, so right, Ginny, Yes, exactly, so mix skimming.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it's all, I get it all.

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Speaker 1: But just quickly, Ginny, did you know him and your

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Speaker 1: observation of him was.

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Speaker 3: What I did know him, and I didn't notice anything

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Speaker 3: different from any other police officer I weeped Worth during

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Speaker 3: that time.

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Speaker 1: So whatever comes out of this is a surprise to you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, it had no full warning of any of

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Speaker 3: us know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, are there lessons potentially to be learned? Given

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Speaker 1: that and we had Nash on the program yesterday and

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Speaker 1: you just did what Jenny said and you know him obviously,

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Speaker 1: are there lessons to be learned potentially depending on what

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Speaker 1: happens in how you appoint people at the highest level.

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Speaker 1: If there are flags there that you might have miss

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Speaker 1: or be missing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely there are, and there is. I can't talk

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Speaker 2: to the detail, as you've said, and you know, in

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Speaker 2: terms of because he's an ongoing IPCO investigation and police

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Speaker 2: criminal investigation. But yes, there are definitely lessons learned out

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Speaker 2: of this, without a doubt that we'll deal with sort

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Speaker 2: of later down the line. Look, it's an awful situation

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Speaker 2: dealt with. I just said, the worst thing about these

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Speaker 2: situations is always the family and the fallout because it

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Speaker 2: plays out very publicly. But the reality of it is

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Speaker 2: is that public confidence and the police is very important.

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Speaker 2: We have an outstanding, world class police service. There are

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Speaker 2: a big organizations sometimes people that don't hold to the values.

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Speaker 2: The important thing is that you respond quickly at quickly

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Speaker 2: in dealing with that, and that's what we've done here.

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Speaker 1: See Ginny marxaid the other day he could understand people's

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Speaker 1: confidence in the police force being shaken. I can't see

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Speaker 1: that being the case. This is one allegedly one bloke

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Speaker 1: bad apple the forces thousands and thousands. That doesn't adjust

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Speaker 1: my view of the police in any way, shape or form,

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Speaker 3: My view is that police have an excellent reputation in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand and something like this wouldn't impact upon it.

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Speaker 1: No, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I agree with both of you, But I just

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Speaker 2: recognize the fact that maybe some people are looking at it,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's important to recognize that. But on

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Speaker 2: the same breath, I tried to reassure them and let

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Speaker 2: them know that we have got a world class police service,

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of positive actions every day, and you

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Speaker 2: get it's like any big organization, someone that doesn't hold

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Speaker 2: to the values. That's how you respond to that. And

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Speaker 2: so I agree with you completely. But it's important that

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Speaker 2: I acknowledge too that some people may be feeling a

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Speaker 2: bit unsure. I'm just trying to reassure.

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Speaker 1: That that's all bad news. Mark five hundred. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to make it. They said you wouldn't and you're not.

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Speaker 1: How bad is this, Well.

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Speaker 2: We're going to deliver the five hundred. Make no mistake

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Speaker 2: about the time. Well with the target was November twenty

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Speaker 2: five or twenty eight. But the reality of it, as

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Speaker 2: I've said, we're not going to be We're not going

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Speaker 2: to get hung up on that because there's a big

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Speaker 2: focus back on standards. Back in twenty seventeen, you.

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Speaker 1: Weren't saying that when you promise them five hundred. Though, Mark,

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Speaker 1: you were promising five hundred. You weren't saying, Oh, don't

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Speaker 1: worry about the numbers, folks, let's talk standards. You said

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Speaker 2: No, we're still staying committed to the five hundred. We're

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Speaker 2: going to deliver the five hundred. But standards matter and

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Speaker 2: we're not going to compromise on that. And it's become

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Speaker 2: evident that we have to address some issues around standards

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Speaker 2: that the Commissioner is doing a review of that at

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Speaker 2: the moment. And I just want to point out one thing, Mike,

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Speaker 2: when I came into when I became minister, we went

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Speaker 2: from a sixteen week training course at the college to

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Speaker 2: a twenty week training course which I supported.

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Speaker 1: Don't promise stuff you can't deliver, Jenny. Let me put

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Speaker 1: it to you this way. If they come in on

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Speaker 1: deadline at four eighty nine or four seventy two, is

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Speaker 1: that fair enough A last yes, but it's fair enough

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Speaker 1: as opposed to say to twelve.

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Speaker 3: Well, the closer they can get to what they promise

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Speaker 3: New Zealand is the better. But right now I think

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Speaker 3: they have seventeen. We're sitting at seventeen extra police officers

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Speaker 3: November this year, Well.

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Speaker 1: We had a diffy and possible we had a definit week.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to finish.

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Speaker 1: Please.

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Speaker 3: So it's if the government promises things in an election,

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Speaker 2: So let me be really clear on this find this,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to take a lecture from Ginny Anderson

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Speaker 2: when they missed their target three times on their promise,

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Speaker 2: and then we found out that it wasn't eighteen hundred

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Speaker 2: authorized officers who do an outstanding job, but they're not

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Speaker 2: have done, and I signaled this from opposition in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: I didn't agree the changing standards at that time. We're

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Speaker 2: now reviewing that, which I'm very pleased to see the

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Speaker 2: which we knew was always going to make it harder

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Speaker 2: to have targets. We're still aiming for that. We'll wait

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Speaker 2: and see how close we are, but we will deliver

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Speaker 2: five hundred police officers real quick.

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Speaker 1: On this. The gun registry agree to disagree. Is that done?

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Speaker 1: Now they don't agree?

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Speaker 3: You do?

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Speaker 1: That's life. We move on. Yes, no, yes, yeah, that's done.

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Speaker 2: We've moved on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what Mark? What?

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Speaker 2: But what?

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Speaker 3: Mark won't answer? And I asked him in the House

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Speaker 1: Did you question? Number?

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Speaker 3: Was that? I watched all o you You've got to

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Speaker 1: The review, didn't It didn't happen about eight.

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Speaker 3: O'clock class night.

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Speaker 1: I think, oh, for goodness, so you're better things to do.

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Speaker 3: Nicole McKee has said she wants another review because you

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Speaker 3: that that's good. We've got that established. But she wants

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Speaker 3: And now I believe that the Minister of Police needs

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think anyone has been left in

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Speaker 2: I will not compromise on public safety. The issues that

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Speaker 2: you're raising need to go through cabinet. It's a cabinet process,

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Speaker 2: and you know that I can't get ahead of that.

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Speaker 2: But I have voice around the cabinet table, and I

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Speaker 1: She's doing to.

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Speaker 2: Rewrite thet she's doing to rewrite of the Arms Act,

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Speaker 2: and that's a big piece of work.

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Speaker 1: Okay, MP's pay rises any other way, Genny of doing

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Speaker 1: it better or not, or it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: It's just come at a time when the minimum wage

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Speaker 3: cutting women's pay, so it's come at a raw time

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Speaker 2: Well that is that is just an outright lie that

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Speaker 2: when no one is cutting woman's pay.

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Speaker 1: And as much as Mark, as much as I am

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Speaker 1: on your side on this, because this has been egged,

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Speaker 1: way over egged, But was there a meeting within the

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Speaker 1: National Party that you guys each and every individually, each

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Speaker 1: and every individual call it a lie, because all I've

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Speaker 1: heard yesterday is lux and a lie. Nickel or a lie?

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Speaker 2: You a lie?

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Speaker 1: Everyone's saying lie. Actually you say.

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Speaker 2: Lie because they being completely totally dishonest. Well, let's use

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Speaker 2: another word in dishonest. And you know, we do have

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Speaker 2: responsibility as public figures to actually speak to the truth

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Speaker 2: because your words often do matter. They are trying to

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Speaker 2: stir up a whole lot of sentiment and the truth.

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Speaker 2: Not on dishonesty. But but the other thing too, Mike,

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Speaker 2: is if we're talking about woman, what about Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 2: last year when he said I think we do have

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Speaker 2: speak out against it. Now it's happened in the worst

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Speaker 2: he's missing in action. He's he's he's in the corner

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Speaker 2: sucking his thumb and the fetal position, crying for mum.

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Speaker 3: Mike, if I could just say something, he'll be good.

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Speaker 3: So in terms of whether the government has cut women's

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Speaker 3: pay or not, both the Prime Minister and the soon

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Speaker 3: to be Deputy Prime Minister have said that getting rid

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Speaker 3: of this pay equity. The changes to pay.

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Speaker 1: Have saved get ahead of yoursel you can't. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to let you do it on this program because

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Speaker 1: it is dishonest that the claims will be heard under

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Speaker 1: the new rules, and you don't know what will be

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Speaker 1: heard or won't be heard, and what will be decided

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Speaker 1: or won't be decided. You can't get ahead of something

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Speaker 1: that hasn't happened.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but the framework has been changed to make it

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Speaker 3: harder for those claims.

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Speaker 1: It's not true, it's not true at all. It's true.

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Speaker 3: It's changed from seventy percent women to sixty percent women.

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Speaker 1: So correct, sixty sixty to seventy. But they're trying to

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Speaker 1: argue I don't know why I'm arguing this mark, but

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Speaker 1: it's equity. Those aren't half of them our equity claims.

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Speaker 1: They call equity claims. But there's no equity claims. That's right,

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Speaker 1: they're not true claims. They're just overreaches by unions. Correct.

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Speaker 2: And it's a system that the labor governments set up

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Speaker 2: that is not sustainable for us as a country. And

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Speaker 2: we want to have a fear sustainable system that allows

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Speaker 2: to meet all of those demands.

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Speaker 3: Having said that Mark, I would be harder for women

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Speaker 3: to get equal paid.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. It may well be, Jinny, but will see.

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Speaker 1: But Mark, I would be prosecuting this as hard as

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Speaker 1: I could have.

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Speaker 2: I was late.

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Speaker 1: But because you are running a risk on this politically,

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Speaker 1: I think, aren't you. Well, that's what they're doing, and

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Speaker 1: they actually politics, but you are running a risk on this.

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Speaker 1: Is this has got under the SA's the job, that's

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Speaker 1: the job of opposition.

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Speaker 2: But let's at least have an honest debate around it

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Speaker 2: and not put a whole lot of misinformation and fear

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Speaker 1: And then it's not going to go away, I don't think, Mark.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see your Jinny. Nice to see you as well.

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Speaker 1: Marke and Ginny for another week.

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