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Speaker 2: This evening is Bridget Morton and Rob Campbell. Hello, are you.

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Speaker 3: Too hid evening? Bridget?

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Speaker 2: Are you worried about these kids? I'm worried about these kids.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, particularly I think you know, you look at

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Speaker 4: the school year. We're in August almost September. We know

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Speaker 4: that for some kids have only had another couple of

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Speaker 4: months until they hit that summer break. We need to

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Speaker 4: keep them in the school system long enough to make

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Speaker 4: sure that they do get those qualifications. So we haven't

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Speaker 4: got a way of reassessing them and making sure they

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Speaker 4: bring up to that standard. Now I'm really worried that

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Speaker 4: they'll be lost and without those qualifications forever.

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Speaker 2: Yes, same and Rob, what I'm worried about almost as much,

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Speaker 2: well less so. But it also worries me that educator's

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Speaker 2: response to this is get rid of the exams because

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Speaker 2: it's not working, when it seems to me that's not

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Speaker 2: what you do. You have to teach the kids better.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you do have to teach the kids better.

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Speaker 3: And it's terrible for the youngsters who are affected by

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Speaker 3: this because they've got COVID as well as changed educational

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Speaker 3: and for their fine. But I don't think we need

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Speaker 3: to do away with exams completely. But it is a

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Speaker 3: failure of this particular method of conducting education and exams,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. And we're making kids where there are consequences

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Speaker 3: of the failure. That's what concerns me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. Okay, Bridget How does

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Speaker 2: this business with Darlene Tana play out?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, metally, I think that's the problem. And there's a

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Speaker 4: really big chance that, you know, regardless of whether or

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Speaker 4: not she succeeds tomorrow in the interim injunction, whether or

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Speaker 4: not there is a vote on Saturday, that will take

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Speaker 4: a long time until the Greens are racally able to

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Speaker 4: in vote the walker jumping legislation. This is not a

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Speaker 4: problem that's going to go well away fast to the Greens.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be hanging around I think for at

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Speaker 4: least another six months on best case of are.

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Speaker 2: Why do you say six months?

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Speaker 4: So basically regard getting to the convocations, But essentially tomorrow

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Speaker 4: is just you know, an interim hearing just to sort

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Speaker 4: of stop you the vote going head on Saturday. There's

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Speaker 4: still a lot of questions, which I assume is probably

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Speaker 4: quite a lot to do with what this case is about,

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Speaker 4: about whether or not she's actually distorting for bortanality or parliament.

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Speaker 4: At the moment, she's not doing so, because she every

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Speaker 4: time she's cast a vote it's been the same as

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Speaker 4: what the Greens have done. He's done that either personally

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Speaker 4: or through to Partimori, and so she actually hasn't done

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Speaker 4: that to date. Therefore she can kind of keep up

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Speaker 4: not you know, doing that. There's a real possibility that

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Speaker 4: she will not be able to or the Greens work

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Speaker 4: be able to demonstrate to the Speaker that he has

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Speaker 4: actually distorted parliament for portonality.

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Speaker 3: This is actually to roll through. I know people who

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Speaker 3: in all this, But for example, that that is not true.

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Speaker 3: She has on occasion not cast a vote. Sorry, they

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Speaker 3: have on occasion not cast to vote. They have on

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Speaker 2: Is the vote being cast rob in line with what

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Speaker 3: I don't even know that to be honest. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: way to ensure that is to ensure that the Green

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Speaker 4: It's not a test in the legislation. And so that's

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Speaker 4: the question. There's the issue that Green could gone.

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Speaker 3: Process. What the legal situation is will be decided by

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Speaker 3: this process, I guess, and it may take some time.

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Speaker 3: Budget's right about that. In the meantime, all the Green

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Speaker 3: according to their values. So you know, it's all very

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Speaker 3: and just shows that under the current system, you can

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Speaker 2: Well said, we'll take a break. Come back shortly.

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Speaker 2: Herether Darlene is like ray Gun, I just can't look away.

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Speaker 2: I think we all feel much the same as twelve

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Speaker 2: Away from Sex and you back of the Huddle, Rob Campbell,

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Speaker 2: Bridget Morton, Rob on this infrastructure agency that's just been announced.

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Speaker 2: Am I right in thinking you are not quite into

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Speaker 2: depoliticizing infrastructure as an idea?

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Speaker 3: No? I mean it's sort of a nice thing to have,

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Speaker 3: of the big issues that people are talking about depoliticizing,

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Speaker 3: like infrastructure, like healthlike energy, are amongst the most political

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Speaker 3: issues we have. Where are things going to be built,

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Speaker 3: what sort of things are going to be built, who

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Speaker 3: are the most intensely political decisions you can have. And

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Speaker 3: this idea that you can somehow just to distract them

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Speaker 2: Pipe, Yeah, bridge, would you agree with that?

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Speaker 4: I do think there is a little bit of optimism

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Speaker 4: needed for this process. I think the floor I see

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Speaker 4: is I don't see how this thirty year plan is

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Speaker 4: saw an example coming out of the last government of

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Speaker 4: you know what happened the schools As the Ministry Education

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Speaker 4: had committed to a whole lot of rebuilds and new schools.

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Speaker 4: New government came in, re looked at whether or not

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Speaker 4: they could actually afford them within the influence that they

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Speaker 4: had available, and it was put on hold something like

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Speaker 4: one hundred projects. I don't see necessarily how this process

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Speaker 4: fits or fixes that budgets element, because ultimately that's up

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Speaker 2: Is it not possible, Rob because I agree with you

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Speaker 2: that it's really hard to get people to agree on

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Speaker 2: these things, given that they are so that, I mean,

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Speaker 2: people feel very strongly about them. But what if you

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Speaker 2: had a group of experts like the Infrastructure Agency, who say,

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Speaker 2: these are the things that we agree are important for

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Speaker 2: the country. You can pick from this list, anything.

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Speaker 3: From this list. What if you had a group of

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Speaker 3: what you should do? Would everyone go along with that?

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Speaker 3: There's not much evidence of that at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hither is well because basically are you arguing the same.

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Speaker 2: That's experts impossible, impossible to de politicize the experts.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is, yeah, we all know that. So these

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Speaker 3: people that are talking about it, I don't know. You know,

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Speaker 3: they think they can get away at a moment in

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Speaker 3: history with imposing a particular view and getting other people

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Speaker 3: You know that's not going to happen. I can tell you.

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Speaker 3: For example, there's been this sort of consensus between the

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Speaker 3: been that consensus. I'll guarantee that doesn't last anything like

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Speaker 3: thirty years. It'll be gone in the next few years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you might well be right now, Bridget

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Speaker 2: Do you think that in New Zealand will start flying

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Speaker 2: on time if they are forced to report their time

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Speaker 2: in the US every single month?

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Speaker 4: I mean, one of the biggest issues we've got is

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Speaker 4: we don't have a lot of choices consumers about which,

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Speaker 4: I mean, hopefully it does a little bit of embarrassing

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Speaker 4: the most part they're going to have to change some

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Speaker 4: big internal mechanics to actually say whether or not we're

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Speaker 4: going to run on time. And does that mean five

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Rob?

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Speaker 3: What a lovely diversion. The issue is whether you should

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Speaker 3: be flying in terms of the climate crisis, not whether early.

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Speaker 3: That really is a problem.

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Speaker 2: When was the last time I flew.

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Speaker 3: A few weeks ago. I fly a lot less than

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Speaker 3: I used to, and the reason for that is I

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Speaker 3: do I do have a concern about the kind of

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Speaker 3: impact of flying And that's really the issue for airline

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Speaker 3: travel in New Zealand is not whether you're five minutes

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Speaker 3: late or five minutes early for your cocktail party. Frankly,

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Speaker 3: it's just a diversion. I don't really care about the door.

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Speaker 2: Are you actually that guy who got the Are you

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Speaker 2: that guy when people bring something up you're going out

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Speaker 2: with the climate? Are you that guy a real party boo?

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Speaker 3: Then guy? Just then? But I don't know for that

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Speaker 3: might be the reason why don't get invited to parties,

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't dominate my life as much as it

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Speaker 3: probably should.

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Speaker 2: I think we should never.

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Speaker 3: People keep carrying on about trivia about whether you can

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is. These things go in the news

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Speaker 3: media at the moment, they really are not important dishes.

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Speaker 2: Bridget, please save me from Rob.

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Speaker 4: Look, I do agree with them and the part that

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Speaker 4: it's not really that big of issue, and it does

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Speaker 4: question flightly, I'm like, why is the government getting involved

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Speaker 4: in something? Bridget?

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Speaker 3: Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: In New Zealand is sometimes an hour late and people

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Speaker 2: miss their meetings. That's serious for a business.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? And I mean I've been in that myself. I

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Speaker 4: mean I caught a New New Generald flight yesterday and

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Speaker 4: it was late, so run late to get to a function.

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Speaker 4: So I think absolutely there has that fact. But I

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Speaker 4: do agree. I have to say it's not from the

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Speaker 4: climate change point view, but I do agree with Rob

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Speaker 4: that there's some really big challenges and frankly, if I'm

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Speaker 4: a bit late to a function, that is not the

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Speaker 4: biggest problems going on.

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Speaker 2: I aming I'm tutting at the pair of you right

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Speaker 2: now because it has occurred to me that maybe I

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Speaker 2: am more obsessed than anybody else. I really appreciate it. Guys,

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Speaker 2: thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Rob.

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Speaker 2: Sort out your attitude for next time, Bridget Morton, Rob Gamble.

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