1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Let's do a little bit of politics Mike Mitchell and 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Jenny Anderson and with morning you too. 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 2: Good morning, morning Jenny, and welcome beat Mike. 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 3: Thank you, good morning. I hope you had a nice brain. 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: I did. I had a reason. You don't sound like 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: you mean it, Jenny having a nice brain. 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: Well, I just kind of get it, and I did. 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 3: Hope you did go away? Was pleasing. 9 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no. You don't have to ask supplementaries, Jenny, 10 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: just because you've been called out on it. No, I 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't go away, and this will help you, Jenny. I 12 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: didn't go away because of the cost of living crisis, 13 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: because I'm too busy paying for the butter Oh my goodness. 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: Really couldn't get a staycation stay home. 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: Yes it was a staycation, but I am I put 16 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: some good infrastructure into my country property. 17 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 3: Did you good? Well? 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: Cutting back on dairy mate has been good for you 19 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: because you've come back fired up. There's no doubt about that. 20 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: That is true. I've never sounded better. I talked to 21 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: myself last night. I said, you never sound a bit 22 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: of Michael, and I agreed with myself. Anyway, Can I 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: just compliment you? Mark Funnily enough, and you could have 24 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: a word with Luxo about this. When you got out 25 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: of the helicopter the other day when you went down 26 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: to Nelson, you had a good pair of chinos on 27 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: a contrasting pair of chinos, and you had a backpack, 28 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: and you look like a blood and you look like 29 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: a bloke it'd been to a few emergency scenes and 30 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: he might be there for the night, whereas Luxo looked 31 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: like a guy who didn't leave the city all that much, 32 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: and he had some rim Williams on and they're a 33 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: bit shiny, you know what I mean. You've got to 34 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: look the part when you turn up at the appropriate 35 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: locations a rid right. 36 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: No, he's not interested in what he looks like. He's 37 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: interested in getting on the ground. Since I've been Emergency 38 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: Management Minister, he has been out on the ground at 39 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: every just about every major emergency that we've had. And 40 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: with it, without a doubt, the people of Tessman were suffering, 41 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: and by the way, they might just to highlight that 42 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: he was there just at the right time. Because we 43 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: go through the response, everyone's full of adrenaline. It's when 44 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: the response is over the adrenaline's gone and people look 45 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: and see what they have to deal with. That's when 46 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: you've got to be there to reassure. 47 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: The look we can get through this good point. Are 48 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: you at Parliament this morning, Jinny. 49 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: Yes, I am at my desk. 50 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Component Have you heard any whispers about what happened at 51 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: the butter meeting? 52 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: Not? No, I have not, No, I did not. I 53 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: did watch the TV one story and. 54 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: That was shocking, wasn't it. Yeah? I thought it was. 55 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: But mean that it's uncor Yeah, that he's Miles Hurrel 56 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: is not a crook or responsible for the price of 57 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: your butter directly, and he doesn't need to be harangued 58 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: down the street, does he. 59 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: Well, there are fair questions that people want to know 60 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: the answers in appropriate right way. Yeah, I'm agreeing with you. 61 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: I don't think it was quite the right thing. I mean, 62 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: he had several meetings with different parties, and I think 63 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: people are really interested to know what's in behind some 64 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 3: of those prices. But it's not It's not just butter. 65 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: I mean it was when we had a yarn with him, 66 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: it was about also particularly in those Asian markets. It's 67 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: it's protein rich foods like milk as well are really 68 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 3: in high demand. While that's a that's a good thing 69 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: for our overall economy, it also hurts people who are 70 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: trying to just buy fot you kind of cutting. 71 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: I didn't see the one news report. 72 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: What was it? 73 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Mos horrible as a good god, he's a great guy. 74 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: Mikey Sheman, who's the political editor, sort of tried to 75 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: doorstop and while he was actually walking and sort of 76 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: treated him like he done a ram raid. And the 77 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: guy's just there for a meeting, and she's going and 78 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: is it too expensive? It's butter too expensive? But to 79 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: expensive and it's just like he's just walking down the street. 80 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what he's he's got his shoulders to 81 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: the wheel in terms of promoting US as a country 82 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: and get our products out there. And I personally think 83 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: he does a great job. 84 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I think he's done a magnificent job. And he's another 85 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: example of why Tao spearings was a disaster and he 86 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: should have been there all along. Can you explain to 87 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,559 Speaker 1: me were you in the butter meeting, Ginny. 88 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 3: We were one of the groups that met with a mess. 89 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: Right, so do you understand how butter is priced and 90 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: therefore there's no scandal here at the end of as 91 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: much as you would like to make it into a scandal, 92 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: there is no scandal here. We sell to the world 93 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: and the price is the price. 94 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: But the problem we have, Mike is it's not just butter. 95 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: It's the price of electricity, other foot groups and couse 96 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: costs as well, things like rates and insurance. It's all 97 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: of those things, not just butter. 98 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: Traveling with that. And this is where Hipkins in this 99 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: question yesterday comes in. The price of electricity is not 100 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: the government's fault and the cost of rates is not 101 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: the government's fault, and so what are the government is 102 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: supposed to do well? 103 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: I would debate that Kenning water infrastructure projects across New 104 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: Zealand has resulted in rates increasing, So I would say 105 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: that that one is the government's fault. We had a 106 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: plan in place to fix water infrastructure would have kept 107 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 3: rates lower. They threw that out and the cost of 108 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: that is rates going up for you. 109 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: Okay, Mark, sorry, you were going to say you want 110 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: to say something about the electricity cost. I mean, you've 111 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: got to cap these councils for start, because that they're 112 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: out of control and this is inflationary. 113 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just get them focused back on their core role. 114 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: So you know that is critical important, and Solomon Wattson 115 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: is doing some work around that, and I'll be having 116 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: some input on that too, especially on the emergency management 117 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: side of it, because I've been working with a lot 118 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: of the councils around the country and certainly see the 119 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: good things that are happening, but have also identified where 120 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: there's efficiencies that he gained as well. But look, at 121 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: the end of the day, on the economy, is that 122 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: you know that we've got it. We had a mounted 123 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: of debt, interest rates were extremely high, and and inflation 124 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: was high. And under this government we've brought all of 125 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: those things down. What's difficult, we've got there are some 126 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: leavers that the government can pull and we are using 127 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: We're doing everything that we can to do that, and 128 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 2: there's some leavers that we don't control. 129 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: What's interesting about that, though, Mark is the pole that 130 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: came out yesterday, and so the question is the country 131 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: going in the right direction and the majority of people 132 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 1: fifty one percent just say no. Now, politically that doesn't 133 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: play well for you. If you accept your argument, I 134 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: get it. But the politics may well be different. They 135 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: may well be labor may well be if Hepkin stands 136 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: up and goes, look at the price of tomatoes, look 137 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: at the prizer, but look at the price, and everyone goes, yeah, exactly, 138 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: you're in trouble. Well, I mean, we. 139 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 2: Knew that it was going to be tough. You know, 140 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: we didn't take the job on knowing that was going 141 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: to be easy. 142 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: And this is the. 143 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 4: Second told around from I was in the last National 144 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 4: Gunment till we had to do exactly the same thing. 145 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 4: We had to come and clean up the economy and 146 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: give it moving again, where this time has been harder 147 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: because we had more debt and infrastrates with higher inflation side. 148 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: But we are moving in the right direction. We're fully 149 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: focused on growth and you know we've we've been relentless. 150 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: And how we approached it just being clear up your signal, yeah, sorry. 151 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 3: In a shower or something. Well, I think the problem 152 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: we've got. The problem we've got is that Christopher Luxon 153 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: promised to make the cost of learning better. So we 154 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: went out in an election campaign and really upsold the 155 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: fact that the cost of living relief would be coming. 156 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: So I think your kiwis are simple in the sense 157 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: that if they've been promised something they're expecting to see that, 158 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: and we're a fear way into this government now and 159 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: people are still hurting. So I think that's the problem. 160 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: That interesting. 161 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 4: Eighteen months and we're eighteen months soon after six years 162 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 4: of a labor government that put us in the situation 163 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 4: that we are in. We inherited this issue. 164 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: We're working really hard and by the way it's gone 165 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: on No. I just I just want to correct you 166 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: on that one. Is that when you're in government, inflation 167 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: was at seven plus percent, and it was there for 168 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: way too long. We've now got it down to two 169 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: point seven. When you're in government, interest rates people were 170 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: almost having to double what they're paying on their mortgages. 171 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: All right, so now we're. 172 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: Now reducting that. 173 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, quick question for you, Jinny. 174 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: Come. 175 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: I keep wanting to call a Karmela Camilla Balach and 176 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: her lets small talk about our pay and income bill. 177 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 3: Yes, Mark Clark said, doesn't he Well. 178 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: The NATS are on board. What what what's the point 179 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: given that everyone's just going to hate everyone. 180 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: I did read your piece on it, and then I 181 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: thought of there's patransparency in your workplace. You'd have to 182 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: make your own coffee and definitely make your own cheese toasty, 183 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: because that would be dangerous indeed. So but I think 184 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: the point that is you don't have to tell every 185 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: It just means that your boss can't stop you from 186 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: telling people. 187 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think, but beyond that, what is it 188 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: going to achieve? Because you know how people are. The 189 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: moment I find out that you're earning more than I am, 190 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: I hate you and you hate me, and it's a 191 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: bitch session. So beyond that as a piece of law, 192 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: what does it achieve? 193 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: It means that it helps address unfairness in the workplace. 194 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but what fairness? 195 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I've been in a situation where I've 196 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: had say five years more experience, a better qualification, and 197 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: you find out that someone else is getting paid more 198 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: than you when you feel like you're doing the same 199 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 3: work all or greater. Then and so those pay gig 200 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: clauses mean that it means you can't just find out 201 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: where you're at. So more transparency means unfairness, discrimination, even 202 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: long standing sort of gender gaps along those areas. And 203 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: I think that's why National is supporting it. They took 204 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: ahead on pay equity, and so this is why are. 205 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: You supporting it, Mark, because I can't work it out, 206 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,479 Speaker 1: to be honest. 207 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: With you and what they're engaged in this issue, notolio. 208 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: I think as long as it's not compulsory, I think 209 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: that's that's important. 210 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: Want to put your chinos on and grab a backpack 211 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: and bugger off situation? 212 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: No, No, we need to break. We need to break 213 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: from the from the weather stuff. I think the old 214 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: country does. But yeah, as long as not compulsory. 215 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: Who would have who would have made the decision? How 216 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: does the party who would have made the decision to go? Yep, 217 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: we'll we'll back that. Who decides that? 218 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: Ultimately it's a it'll be a caucus decision, but of 219 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: course it will be the portfolio holder. 220 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: Was it for what's the portfolio? Who's what? What's what's 221 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: Camilla's portfolio? What's under what spec that's probably that's probably 222 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: supporting this, which is not. 223 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 3: It's only national So when New Zealand first and aren't 224 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: supporting it but national art so that indicates that they 225 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: felt they took hit on pay equity, that people were 226 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: angry about that. So this is some kind of appeasement 227 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: towards them. 228 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: Well, well, it's weird that you call in your own 229 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: bill and appiacement either you back it or you don't. 230 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: But now I'm saying you are appeasing pay the fact 231 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: that you voted down pay equity and it's weird. 232 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Can you can you Mark find out just who changed 233 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: your mind? Well you know who decided national this is 234 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: the thing, because I just think it's weird. Jenny, real quick. 235 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: The by election in Tomackey, Mikado. How intense do you 236 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: think the battle will be? Is this a genuine contest? 237 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: Do you reckon? Oh? 238 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: It definitely is a genuine content contest. And penaking that 239 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: day is excellent and he's working incredibly hard, So no 240 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: doubt about it. It's going to be It's going to 241 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: be a real contest at a tough fight. 242 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: You think people will do it well. 243 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: By elections are always harder to engage people. We know that, 244 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: but we know how to also go door to door, 245 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: to go out and talk to people and to motivate 246 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: them to get out and vote. 247 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: And we'll be doing a Judith Collins is the answer, 248 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: Mark Public Services is what it comes under regulator. 249 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: For more from the Mike Asking Breakfast, listen live to 250 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: News Talk SETB from six am weekdays, or follow the 251 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: podcast on iHeartRadio