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Speaker 1: Baby snapper could soon be caught legally by commercial fishes.

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Speaker 1: A fisheries amendment bill proposes removing size limits for popular

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Speaker 1: species including snapper, tarakhi, blue moki, and travalley, but there'll

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Speaker 1: still be size limits for recreational anglers. They can't catch them.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Sport Fishing Council's Mike Plant is with me

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Speaker 1: now to talk about this. Kiday, How are you, Mike Evening?

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Speaker 1: Andrew Hey, So, what's your members' problems with this?

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Speaker 2: Look, we've just come out of a pretty productive meeting

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Speaker 2: with Jenny Marcrost, Cameron Luxton from ACT, and Grant McCullum

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Speaker 2: about this issue. We've been taken by surprise a bit

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Speaker 2: by the intent of the bill and little things like

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Speaker 2: this all adding up to well, I guess the feeling

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Speaker 2: that we're no longer a public stakeholder in a publicly owned,

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Speaker 2: finite resource fishery. It's really hurting us. And yeah, we

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Speaker 2: can go into the detail on those sizes, but it's

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Speaker 2: part of a bigger picture of these fisheries amendment bills.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it would strip the stocks?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're taking fish before they have a chance

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Speaker 2: to breed, If anyone who failed science can still understand that.

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Speaker 1: Would the baby fish court be bycatch the same way

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Speaker 1: there was the change to the rules that allowed them

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Speaker 1: to sell swordfish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way around it to say it's bycatch,

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Speaker 2: and it would go to waste and things like that.

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Speaker 2: But ultimately you're still not addressing the court issue, which

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Speaker 2: is how are they catching these undersized fish? They're trawling.

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Speaker 2: That method is redundant and it's affecting our fishery. For

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Speaker 2: recreational fishes like ourselves. If a Kiwi wants to catch

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Speaker 2: some snapper and they're catching baby snapper, they increase their

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Speaker 2: hook size to catch larger snapper, so baby snapper's mouths

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Speaker 2: aren't big enough to take the hook in its mouth.

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Speaker 2: That is a change to the fishing method that we

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Speaker 2: all do to catch legal snapper. And for some reason, again,

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Speaker 2: commercial fishes don't have to follow those kind of behaviors

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Speaker 2: of innovation or changing to protect the fishery.

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Speaker 1: Now, Shane Jones, we actually asked him to appear on

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Speaker 1: the program. He declined. But if Shane Jones was here,

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Speaker 1: what would you say to him?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Shane Jones was meant to be at the

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Speaker 2: meeting we just had and he couldn't make it. The

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Speaker 2: excuse was he was working on the fuel crisis. And

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Speaker 2: if we are to talk about the fuel crisis, turning

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Speaker 2: diesel into protein as one of the core businesses of

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Speaker 2: these trawlers, and as fuel increases, trolling is very heavy

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Speaker 2: on fuel. So you know that whole behavior and system

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Speaker 2: is at risk fundamentally. If he wants to make some

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Speaker 2: real changes, he can consult the New Zealand public which

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Speaker 2: we haven't been consulted properly on and listen to us

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Speaker 2: and look after this publicly owned shared resource.

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Speaker 1: My plan from the New Zealand Sports Fishing Council. I

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time and look, I get that

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Speaker 1: Shane Jones is trying to protect jobs for his people,

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Speaker 1: but the ee he represents also like to put out

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Speaker 1: a boat with some recreational fishes and bring back some

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Speaker 1: Kimwana for their hapoo. And these people are also granting

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Speaker 1: him a mandate not just the commercial of fisher people.

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Speaker 1: And it'd be nice to talk to your shape

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