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Speaker 1: These stats yet again, are glass our full? I suppose

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Speaker 1: we aren't leaving as quickly as we once were, although

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Speaker 1: year on year it's still another record, it's just monthly

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Speaker 1: numbers show it is slowing. MASSI University sociologist Paul Spoonley's back. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's Paul, morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning mate.

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Speaker 1: When does this flush through and we get a vibe?

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Speaker 1: I mean the number is the net gain is thirty

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Speaker 1: something thousand? How long before we can go? Right? This

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Speaker 1: is about where we're at for now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would really like us to identify how fast

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Speaker 2: we're going to grow and just listening to your previous interviewee,

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things they're going to be

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Speaker 2: looking for is the continuity of skill supply. So we

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Speaker 2: need to factor in how many skilled people we need

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Speaker 2: and what sector and he mentioned construction, which is a

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Speaker 2: sector which is under pressure at the moment, and we

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Speaker 2: need to put that together. You know, who do we

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Speaker 2: train on shore? Who do we bring in from offshore

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Speaker 2: is a key question in terms of the summit.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you raised that because the numbers coming

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Speaker 1: in it's been consistent now for least a year. The

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Speaker 1: big numbers each time is India, Philippines and China. Now

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Speaker 1: does that matter if the skills are okay.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't matter. I think we need to do

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Speaker 2: more mic in terms of preparing them for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: So we should do what Canada does, which is to say,

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Speaker 2: you know, Mike Costing is going to migrate to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: What does he need once he gets here in terms

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Speaker 2: of making sure he's got the skill set. One of

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Speaker 2: the things that migrants don't have are networks and local knowledge,

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Speaker 2: and we need to make sure that they've got that.

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Speaker 2: So I don't mind whether it's the government that does that,

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Speaker 2: or whether it's the sector, or whether it's the employer,

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Speaker 2: but somebody needs to do that so that we they've

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Speaker 2: got skills. We need those skills, and we need to

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Speaker 2: make sure that we're grabbing those skills with both hands

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Speaker 2: and utilizing it as much as we can.

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Speaker 1: Andrew kellerher our money man, says he doesn't think we'll

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Speaker 1: get there, but I worry about being an ex net

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Speaker 1: exporter of people. In other words, number of people coming

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Speaker 1: into the country is slowing, the number of people leaving

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Speaker 1: is slowing, but not as much. In other words, we're

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Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to zero. Is that an issue

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Speaker 1: or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it is. I noticed some of

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Speaker 2: the bank economists are saying it is, but I don't

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Speaker 2: personally think it is. Mike. But the thing that I

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Speaker 2: noticed in these later stats is that we have, for

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Speaker 2: a twelve month period, had the largest number of people

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Speaker 2: migrating off shore. And I've got two questions. And of

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Speaker 2: course we don't have departure cards, so we only know

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Speaker 2: the numbers, the age, and where they're going to. We

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Speaker 2: don't know about their skills. But are we losing skilled

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Speaker 2: people there? Nicest You and I both know the answer

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Speaker 2: to that. And then are we also seeing unskilled and

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Speaker 2: semi skilled people leaving and going perhaps to Australia and

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Speaker 2: therefore we're exporting part of our unemployment rate. So I

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Speaker 2: think there's some big economic questions which we need to

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Speaker 2: ask and answer. And I think the Minister, I mean

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Speaker 2: the Minister's signal that this year she's going to make

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Speaker 2: some changes and they're all in the pipeline, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we do need that make a picture really very well.

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Speaker 1: Suit Paul as l Wich Professor Pal Spomey Messing Universities.

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