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Speaker 1: Get more now on the appointment of Dave Rennie as

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Speaker 1: the next All Blacks coach. Jeff Wilson is a Sky

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Speaker 1: Sport commentator and a former All Black of course and

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Hi Jeff, Hi here, how are you going? Well?

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Speaker 1: Thanks very very well, thanks mate. Now, am I right

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Speaker 1: in thinking that you called it for Jamie Joseph?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ear early doors, I absolutely did, no doubt that

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Speaker 2: I thought Jamie probably had the inside running. But over

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Speaker 2: the last probably a couple of weeks, and clearly New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby had done a thorough process. That sounds as

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Speaker 2: though they left no stone unturned and if you read

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Speaker 2: a little bit more into it, particularly the fact the

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Speaker 2: contract just running to the end of the Rugby World Cup,

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Speaker 2: this is, as Dave Reddy himself said, a bit of

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Speaker 2: a sprint try and get ready in a short period

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Speaker 2: of time. And he obviously fitted the brief that they

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Speaker 2: were looking for. And you know, I think he'll go

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Speaker 2: in there, he'll be aggressive, try and make quick changes

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Speaker 2: and I see if they can get the job done

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Speaker 2: in a month's time.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you think it's possible? Jamie Joseph looked at

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Speaker 1: what was on offer and said.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not sure about that at all. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think both candidates would have interviewed really strongly, and well,

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Speaker 2: it's probably the circumstances. And you know, I'm hopeful that

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Speaker 2: Jamie hangs around, like I'm sure everyone else is, that

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Speaker 2: he continues with the Hilanders and the All Blacks fifteen

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Speaker 2: and maybe he has to buy his time a little

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Speaker 2: bit longer and another opportunity comes up. But clearly Dave

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Speaker 2: impressed a bunch of former All Blacks who interviewed him

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Speaker 2: and experienced people, and they felt this is the right

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Speaker 2: way to go. Look, it's a hard one for Jamie.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was hopefully he would get the job,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not unhappy at all in any way, shape

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Speaker 2: or form. I know Dave really well. I think he'll

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Speaker 2: do a great job.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there is something here in the

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Speaker 1: Tony Brown factor? Tony Brown's not available makes the Jamie

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Speaker 1: Joseph proposition just a little less shiny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be fair to say that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I know Tony as well, and

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Speaker 2: you know the combination of those two coaches together have

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Speaker 2: had great success in the way that they work, and

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Speaker 2: that obviously wasn't going to be available over these two years.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's not just about one coach at times,

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Speaker 2: it's about a combination of people. And once again Dave

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Speaker 2: might have had just quite a clearer picture of who

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Speaker 2: he might have his support team. And like you say,

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Speaker 2: this is about convincing the people at New Zealand Rugby

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Speaker 2: and this is David kirk keivin me alarm who Dane

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Speaker 2: Cole's You know, these are guys who understand what it

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Speaker 2: takes at the highest level that you can win and

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Speaker 2: win now and that's the direction they've gone. And so yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that may have added to it. But like

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Speaker 2: I said, Jamie's a vasty experienced coach as well, and

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Speaker 2: you know he'll be disappointed, but he'll understand that this

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Speaker 2: is this is the nature of coaching. It's a competitive market.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who gets the captain c oh, that's.

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Speaker 2: A great question. And that's you know, and Dave Rennie.

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Speaker 2: You know I can quote him because I listened to

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Speaker 2: his press conference, I spoke to him. I was lucky

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Speaker 2: enough to get a one on one. You know, he'll

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Speaker 2: have conversations with Scott Barrett, wo's the incumbent and he'll

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Speaker 2: talk to the senior players in the group, and he

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Speaker 2: did emphasize leadership is going to be absolutely critical. So

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Speaker 2: who's it going to be. I think the list is short,

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Speaker 2: you know. I think an artist, Savier, Cody Taylor for

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Speaker 2: me have to be in the conversation. Scott Barrett as

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Speaker 2: the incumbent, has to be I suppose spoken to about

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Speaker 2: what role he's going to have going forward. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot in play here. But David, and he's always already

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Speaker 2: said it that he's got no loyalties. His expectations are

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Speaker 2: that the players step up and prove they deserve to

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Speaker 2: with all black jersey, do.

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Speaker 1: You reckon he's got it here? Has he got it

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Speaker 1: in order to win the Rugby World Cup in just

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Speaker 1: over eighteen months?

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Speaker 2: Be honest, Jeff, Look, I honestly believe we've got the talent.

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Speaker 2: I believe we've got enough experience. We've been right there

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Speaker 2: before just a couple of years ago, you know, in

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Speaker 2: a World Cup final, just losing by one point. To

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Speaker 2: know what it takes. It's a matter of whether or

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Speaker 2: not everyone can get on the same page really really quickly,

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Speaker 2: and if they build momentum and eighteen months can a

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Speaker 2: lot can change in eighteen months. It certainly can. I

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Speaker 2: believe this organization, this coach, and this team is certainly

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Speaker 2: good enough.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, it's good to talk to you mate. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for your time. Really appreciated. Jef Wilson, skysport commentator,

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