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Speaker 4: Hello, it's great to be on the front foot with
Speaker 4: you again. A weekend from heaven for cricket lovers. I
Speaker 4: went over India in their backyard, against all expectations. I
Speaker 4: kept that off while many people slipped. The White Ferns
Speaker 4: completed victory in the World T twenty Championship in Dubai.
Speaker 4: Wonderful moments for New Zealand cricket, thirty six years since
Speaker 4: the last one and nineteen eighty eight. I was doing
Speaker 4: commentary during that Test match with a guy who played
Speaker 4: cricket for New Zealand previously, and he deserted the commentary
Speaker 4: box in the game previously at Bangalore. I was left
Speaker 4: to do it all on my own. I don't know
Speaker 4: what happened to him, but I think he surfaced after there.
Speaker 4: You remember him, Jerry, Do you know who it was?
Speaker 5: I remember changing from my civies into one of the
Speaker 5: New Zealand players his trousers because they fit me and
Speaker 5: I was pressed into action.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 5: I also remember a fellow commentator rather disappointed that the
Speaker 5: opportunity to get onto the field was the rest of
Speaker 5: the New Zealand players who were fit at the time,
Speaker 5: and listening to various team talks and so on.
Speaker 6: You remember that too, was don't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was crying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes he was, Yes he was little face gasp. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Bangalore, nineteen eighty eight, when the New Zealand side was
Speaker 4: beaten by India. They've been taken ill and that's why
Speaker 4: Jeremy Coney was out on the park. I never got there.
Speaker 4: But the next Test was a real turnaround in Mumbai
Speaker 4: and they won it. The last time we've beaten India
Speaker 4: in India was a remarkable achievement. Peter Holland as well
Speaker 4: as again and the Test match that they've just won, well,
Speaker 4: it was the sort of performance we want to see
Speaker 4: from a New Zealand side, wasn't it. They'd learned many
Speaker 4: of the lessons from the embarrassing defeats in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 2: No question was and a good day to you and
Speaker 2: Jerry Well I've written down here in my notes. Test
Speaker 2: match wonderful, fabulous, the ebbs and flows when you look
Speaker 2: at the scoreboard where it says forty six one hundred
Speaker 2: plus and then four hundred plus from India, and then
Speaker 2: then there's the jeopardy of the of the of the
Speaker 2: fourth innings that New Zealand's got to play, and being
Speaker 2: a New Zealand follower for so long one feared the
Speaker 2: worst and intrepidations and being the utter coward that I am, Brian,
Speaker 2: I can't watch that, so I have to I have
Speaker 2: to walk away and go into the garden, if you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because I'll be bad luck. But no,
Speaker 2: a wonderful Test match, and I think it brought out
Speaker 2: a lot of things that perhaps we had been looking for,
Speaker 2: not least of which that actually had some match time,
Speaker 2: albeit not very well performed in Sri Lanka. But they
Speaker 2: looked a lot more match hardened to my mind.
Speaker 4: Very important that and they won a toss which I
Speaker 4: think was significant. Latham said he would have been well,
Speaker 4: that might have been trouble but Henry and O'Rourke. Was
Speaker 4: there ever an indication of where was Henry drew the
Speaker 4: Sherilankan testaments. Surely that was answered by his performance in Bangalore,
Speaker 4: wasn't it.
Speaker 6: I was a lot.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people who follow cricket will
Speaker 5: have been nonplussed at the non selection of Henry. I
Speaker 5: think everybody kind of understood why because he was going
Speaker 5: to take the position of the captain and that makes
Speaker 5: it a bit more awkward for the selectors. Nevertheless, New
Speaker 5: Zealand are a better side when he's in the playing eleven.
Speaker 5: We've just got to accept that and move on from
Speaker 5: those other issues, no matter how difficult they are, particularly
Speaker 5: when the situation says that the conditions of the game
Speaker 5: are going to suit someone like Matt Henry.
Speaker 6: I think we should just dwell.
Speaker 5: If we could on the toss a little bit, because
Speaker 5: clearly it played a very major role in the way
Speaker 5: that New Zealand were able to construct a win from
Speaker 5: this game. I think the decision if you won the
Speaker 5: toss held very high consequences. Both of the captains would
Speaker 5: have got it wrong. Both sides wanted to bat, and
Speaker 5: that just indicates how strong the history in India of
Speaker 5: pictures deteriorating throughout the match and over the course of
Speaker 5: the match and the result of the match because of it.
Speaker 6: The history says you bat first, you bat first.
Speaker 5: It's very ossy in that kind of sense. You know,
Speaker 5: you're about nine times and on the tenth time you're
Speaker 5: bat The fact of it is they said that you
Speaker 5: shalt bat, but the present conditions said you must bowl.
Speaker 5: You know, four or five days undercovers with rain, dank,
Speaker 5: thick cloud covering lights on.
Speaker 6: That says bowl.
Speaker 5: It also says you got to do it quite quickly
Speaker 5: and grab the opportunity. That's what New Zealand did well.
Speaker 5: Even right Chama said it might be sticky. Well it
Speaker 5: certainly was, and New Zealand were good enough to grab that,
Speaker 5: you know, grab the nettle.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: They also forgot both captains. I felt the way to
Speaker 5: win a four day game with the first day reigned
Speaker 5: out is to bat once and bat well, and usually
Speaker 5: you bat second. Now that was perfect for the situation
Speaker 5: confronting both captains at Bengaluru. To supply rest to your bowlers,
Speaker 5: you bowl first, you then bat once and bat well,
Speaker 5: and then you give the bowlers a rest and then.
Speaker 6: You bat again.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of what happened, except obviously India came
Speaker 5: back into the game a bit more on that third innings,
Speaker 5: but New Zealand grabbed it. They bowled well, as you
Speaker 5: say O'Rourke, Henry. They held for a change almost one
Speaker 5: hundred percent of their capture some good ones too, and
Speaker 5: we can go into that a bit later. So and
Speaker 5: then they not only did that, was they got then
Speaker 5: a lead of three hundred and fifty six, which put
Speaker 5: them in the box seat and left India.
Speaker 6: So far behind.
Speaker 5: They had to not only get five hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: that's the three fifty in debit plus two hundred if
Speaker 5: they could and scored them at a very high rate,
Speaker 5: which they did. But New Zealand just nipped them in
Speaker 5: the bud at the end.
Speaker 2: But can I just add, I think coming into this
Speaker 2: India and you've got the sense from rowhit that despite
Speaker 2: there was concerns about batting first based on the form
Speaker 2: coming in where they'd absolutely flogged Bangladesh and we we
Speaker 2: were somewhat not at our best in Sri Lanka, that
Speaker 2: they would still carry through and I think that makes
Speaker 2: the win even more pleasing for New Zealand that they
Speaker 2: they overcame that and there was a degree of shall
Speaker 2: we see, we'll just brush you aside anyway From India,
Speaker 2: I've got the sense of.
Speaker 6: Vague arrogance, yeah, touch of arrogance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what justify we sob if I'm
Speaker 2: probably in their issues yep, but well played New Zealand Revender.
Speaker 5: Class what class judgment of length wds for me? For
Speaker 5: Ratchen one of the best I've witnessed actually by New
Speaker 5: Zealand batsmen. Maybe the fact that they were bowling between
Speaker 5: ninety one and ninety four k, which is tough, you know,
Speaker 5: quick and tough, but it does help you because you
Speaker 5: can't float the ball up and get it to dip
Speaker 5: quite so much. But nevertheless, as a batsman, it buys
Speaker 5: you time. If you can see where the length is
Speaker 5: going to land early, it buys your time to get
Speaker 5: forward and get close to it, or if it's shorter
Speaker 5: to go back and either you know, get you know
Speaker 5: and revendra. The other aspect I felt about is bat
Speaker 5: was if he went forward he could hit anywhere between
Speaker 5: square cover to cover to extra cover to long off
Speaker 5: to wide long on from the same place where it
Speaker 5: hit the pitch. Now, imagine that is a bowler. Imagine
Speaker 5: that as a captain. You know, your setting of your
Speaker 5: field suddenly becomes a hell of a difficult And so
Speaker 5: he scored very quickly. And that's another benefit of being
Speaker 5: able to see the length. But he is an absolute
Speaker 5: class his wrists when he attacks like high tensile things.
Speaker 5: Something happened during the burst and honestly earns him his
Speaker 5: new TV. His wrists do it earns him his pool
Speaker 5: in the back garden, because that's how much money he
Speaker 5: will get from those powerful risks and being able to
Speaker 5: play the way.
Speaker 2: He did, he plays the quicks very well. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: looks assured against as best you could be against Boomera.
Speaker 2: Contrast Conway say, but no, I just think it's a
Speaker 2: spot work. He doesn't look flustered, he doesn't look ruffled,
Speaker 2: he looks at ease and he's comfortable in his own skin.
Speaker 2: I think he's an absolute revelation and the fact that
Speaker 2: he is committing himself to play Test cricket is something
Speaker 2: that we should all be thankful for and admire of
Speaker 2: him to go that way which he has done.
Speaker 5: Put it this way, India will go away from this
Speaker 5: Test and their spinners will be for the first time
Speaker 5: against New Zealand concerned. They will certainly talk a lot
Speaker 5: about him for the next Test.
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, he certainly the man of the match. Well,
Speaker 4: the other player who impressed me was will Young. He
Speaker 4: looks organized. We'd not seen beginnings from him yet, but
Speaker 4: when they're in trouble, they were under pressure, and that
Speaker 4: fourth innings he held the innings together and he and
Speaker 4: Rivendra took them to the victory.
Speaker 2: I think, well, Young is someone that I believe that
Speaker 2: a lot of us have been sort of thinking, how
Speaker 2: can you get him in there? And and he looked,
Speaker 2: he looked assured. His footwork was decisive, whereas I think
Speaker 2: Devon Conway, mind you, he did. Devon Conway at the
Speaker 2: other end did take most of Boomra in Boomera was
Speaker 2: hooping it around. Conways looked far less issued well as
Speaker 2: one probably would. But when when you were watching a
Speaker 2: young again, he got back, he got forward, He was decisive.
Speaker 2: I thought class innings and you know, Dan good number
Speaker 2: three for us. And if Williamson's not fit in the
Speaker 2: following Test, I don't think that's too much of a problem.
Speaker 2: We'd love to have him pause.
Speaker 5: Well, it does bring up that question, doesn't at once,
Speaker 5: about if Williamson is available for the next test in Poona,
Speaker 5: what in New Zealand going to do. They might opt
Speaker 5: to say, we'll give you another week of and we'll play.
Speaker 5: Perhaps you might the change you might make, you might
Speaker 5: put Young into open and Conway at three. I just
Speaker 5: want to also fly the flag of Conway for a
Speaker 5: second ninety one. Playing aggressively in the first innings where
Speaker 5: the pitch was much better and easier to play on
Speaker 5: than the last innings, up and down, variable bounce movement.
Speaker 5: Certainly he made it look more uncomfortable. We've all got
Speaker 5: to accept that. But he batted from twelve to thirteen
Speaker 5: overs and Moose is right. He took the majority of Boomra.
Speaker 5: He got a bit of luck. The ball was going
Speaker 5: up and down quite a lot to him. But he
Speaker 5: batted for thirteen overs and survived. And he saved the
Speaker 5: rest of the batting order by taking little blows and
Speaker 5: being beaten and hit on the hands, on the thighs
Speaker 5: and so on. It's a tough gig opening against Boomra,
Speaker 5: and so he did a hell of a job even
Speaker 5: just getting to seventeen, don't you agree?
Speaker 4: Oh, most definitely, And you know he did take a pounding.
Speaker 4: His hands are obviously a target for them at the
Speaker 4: moment because he's been hit so many times. Also, the
Speaker 4: game proved that when needed, Tim Soudy actually can bat
Speaker 4: and play an important role with the bat. Where's it
Speaker 4: been through the ten twelve years of his career?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a bit of a conundrum, isn't it
Speaker 5: that we all knew from even from his first innings
Speaker 5: when I think he got a seventy? Didn't he know
Speaker 5: the short side boundaries of McClain Park. But nevertheless, he
Speaker 5: could obviously hit a ball, and he's got a good
Speaker 5: hand eye coordination. And I don't know quite why the
Speaker 5: coaching staff and Saudi himself ultimately.
Speaker 6: Have treated his so frivolously.
Speaker 5: Since that time and just concentrated totally on his bowland
Speaker 5: I feel, and getting in love with hitting sixes. He
Speaker 5: did look awkward and like a little foal, you know,
Speaker 5: on feeble feet for a start when he batted, but
Speaker 5: he then against the spin particularly, he grew in stature
Speaker 5: and in confidence and started to hit down the ground
Speaker 5: and so on and played very well towards the end
Speaker 5: of his sixty odd runs that he had that partnership
Speaker 5: of one hundred and thirty odd with the Ravendra.
Speaker 6: So that was it because our middle order failed.
Speaker 5: Was that started the second morning, Mitchell, Blundell, Henry, you
Speaker 5: know they all actually got starts but couldn't go on
Speaker 5: when New Zealand wanted them to. This match was it
Speaker 5: was a lovely test match in terms of someone getting
Speaker 5: on top. Then a corner would arrive, a chicane you know,
Speaker 5: would arrive and you go round a corner and then
Speaker 5: suddenly one team would pick it up again. New Zealand
Speaker 5: getting four hundred and two and getting a lead. Then
Speaker 5: suddenly India say no, no, my boys, We're going to
Speaker 5: come at you like a rocket and New Zealand struggle.
Speaker 5: If they'd have got another eighty or ninety runs, would
Speaker 5: have been an interesting game, wouldn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have been a challenge and a half.
Speaker 4: We've talked in the past about New Zealand's fielding and
Speaker 4: it's below standard in many of the tests of recent times.
Speaker 4: I don't think we could be a critical of their
Speaker 4: fielding and the catches they took in that first innings
Speaker 4: in particular after they'd lifted their game quite dramatically from
Speaker 4: what we saw in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 2: Came to the shape of the game, Brian Frankly, you
Speaker 2: pull off a couple of those catches and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you're three for not many many and the
Speaker 2: pressures coming on and supported by catching, there's no question
Speaker 2: about that. And the ball was hooping around.
Speaker 5: No, well, it was New Zealand conditions, wasn't it really?
Speaker 5: And quite good ones. It was grippy, and you know
Speaker 5: the catching. Phillip's diving forward, wide leg slipped Coley goodbye,
Speaker 5: Conway hunting in for a single, got a bit close,
Speaker 5: an attempted cloth dry from sufferers, diving away to his
Speaker 5: right and the ball behind him one hand, good catch,
Speaker 5: Fortell backward point low catch smashed by Jasewell Court two
Speaker 5: handed Henry. After bowling that long goes to fine lead.
Speaker 5: A hook goes up from Boomra and he runs thirty
Speaker 5: five yards and sprawls on the ground and takes a
Speaker 5: two handed catch. Brilliant Bracewell just coming onto the field,
Speaker 5: hasn't been on long in the gully, left handed, one
Speaker 5: hand catch. To finish the inning of cooldeep. So those
Speaker 5: are examples of the way that you need to catch
Speaker 5: an international cricket to get yourselves in a good position.
Speaker 4: One of the points that disappointed me in the second
Speaker 4: innings was the length of the bowling, particularly to Saffras,
Speaker 4: who was allowed to play on the back foot, and
Speaker 4: he quite clearly liked playing on the back foot. And
Speaker 4: if they ever removed third man or backward point from
Speaker 4: the field to play, he'll get no runs. He scored
Speaker 4: half his runs in that area of the ground and
Speaker 4: he was fed the opportunity, wasn't he.
Speaker 2: I think actually with dear and I have spoken about
Speaker 2: him one. I think he's interesting, so we share. We
Speaker 2: say quirky is that the right word? Inventive player? And
Speaker 2: I suspect that New Zealand probably didn't quite know what
Speaker 2: they were coming up again, so they'll need to adjust.
Speaker 2: And I think you're right there, Brian, you take that
Speaker 2: shot out with a short third man and all that
Speaker 2: type of thing. But that was a fabulous innings. I've
Speaker 2: got to say I enjoyed watching that, watching him and
Speaker 2: play with such inventiveness, because hard to set a field
Speaker 2: to very much, and he and scores at pace and
Speaker 2: interesting when you're listening to the commentators that he apparently
Speaker 2: he scored truckloads of runs and domestic cricket and has
Speaker 2: earnt his way there. And I just think, breath the
Speaker 2: fresh air and quite wonderful. Interesting to see what Indy
Speaker 2: will do because I think he was replacing Gil and
Speaker 2: what what will happen now, Because when you've just gone
Speaker 2: out and smashed one hundred and fifty, it's pretty hard
Speaker 2: to drop you for Schuvar and Gil. Fine player though
Speaker 2: Gill is I will wait with interest.
Speaker 5: Interesting in Puno, which might turn a little bit more
Speaker 5: than this test. But you're right unconventional was wasn't He
Speaker 5: looks like a little small, muscular street fighter like old
Speaker 5: jar of me and Dad when we played great hand
Speaker 5: die coordination. You're right, only two runs down in what
Speaker 5: we would call the v long off and long on.
Speaker 5: So we did bowl a bit short, and we bowled
Speaker 5: certainly a bit wide, but we didn't react a to
Speaker 5: the bowlers, our bowlers changing things a bit and b
Speaker 5: the captain setting more. You might need two third men,
Speaker 5: you know. We need to be able to react quickly
Speaker 5: to someone like a suffaras I think we just can't
Speaker 5: keep going the way we are when it's not working.
Speaker 5: So I'm interested to see how someone like Sapparas goes
Speaker 5: in South Africa, where it's a bit more spicy to pitch,
Speaker 5: or New Zealand and England where it is greener, and
Speaker 5: perhaps Australia where there's a bit more bounce, although that
Speaker 5: might suit him as well. He likes bounce, but he's
Speaker 5: obviously got a hell of a good hand eye coordination.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Toune, we don't know too much about it.
Speaker 4: You mentioned the possibility of spin. Does that mean New
Speaker 4: Zealand has to make a change or do you go
Speaker 4: in with the same side.
Speaker 2: I think you've still got to go in with three
Speaker 2: quicker bowlers because I think that's what we're better at.
Speaker 2: Question whether that is South I think it will be
Speaker 2: now because of his success in his last test, but
Speaker 2: I think there's no question that it's Henry and O'Rourke.
Speaker 2: We hadn't really touched Oraq because I don't think you
Speaker 2: need to. It was just such a fabulous performance on
Speaker 2: both in the in both innings.
Speaker 4: But I.
Speaker 6: Don't think we have a choice.
Speaker 2: I think we still need to go in with Patel
Speaker 2: and I guess the alternative is Phillips because brace Will
Speaker 2: gone home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's the first point. We have reduced our
Speaker 5: spin options by Bracewall going home. It's the first thing.
Speaker 5: And I think he's probably our biggest spinner of a ball.
Speaker 5: I think that there are left handers in their order
Speaker 5: which would suit him as well. I think he offers
Speaker 5: some other aspects that we haven't got from some of
Speaker 5: the other spin is like very good catching and also
Speaker 5: you know at number eight, I think he offers that
Speaker 5: and gives a little bit little the option there is
Speaker 5: for you know, getting some runs. The second thing is
Speaker 5: Sody who's going over hasn't played, hasn't played, and that
Speaker 5: counts for a lot as we know. Secondly, Santna, we've
Speaker 5: seen how he goes and conditions where it turns. He's
Speaker 5: not really much a great wicket taker. So I think
Speaker 5: our third seema you're going to get more bowling and
Speaker 5: more pressure created if you set the right fields to
Speaker 5: a SOUVII than you are to a spinner. And I
Speaker 5: know it'll sound a bit odd because we've we've been
Speaker 5: a wee bit critical of Saudi, but you know, I
Speaker 5: think that gives us a stronger attack, more reliable attack
Speaker 5: than going in with two spinners plus as we did,
Speaker 5: as we did in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 1: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney, Yes, on the front foot.
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to decide which achievement rates highest,
Speaker 4: to win over India in India or a World T
Speaker 4: twenty title for the women. Is it fair to give
Speaker 4: them equal significance To be able to celebrate two great
Speaker 4: moments one day. I mean it makes it more enjoyable.
Speaker 4: Is one event or one achievement more important than the other, because.
Speaker 5: For me, no question, And I think I know where
Speaker 5: Iland T twenty world it's a World Cup, it's a
Speaker 5: World Cup, and they've struggled and.
Speaker 2: Where they've come from and where I think everyone's expectations were.
Speaker 2: It is a phenomenal achievement and wonderful that they've been
Speaker 2: able to pull this off of fabulous and you could
Speaker 2: see growth in the team in the period of the tournament,
Speaker 2: the win over South Africa and the lead up games
Speaker 2: and the development. They seem to be better organized, They
Speaker 2: seem to know what they wanted to do, like batting
Speaker 2: first seemed to be working for them, I think, no question.
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that the win in India in the
Speaker 2: Test match is phenomenal. The Women's World Cup twenty twenty
Speaker 2: when is a great thing for cricket and particularly the
Speaker 2: women's cricket.
Speaker 5: If New Zealand had still been in the World Test
Speaker 5: Championship wards and in the game, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: still there challenging. You might put it closer because it
Speaker 5: was necessary and because it was in India. But New
Speaker 5: Zealand are out of it, and so I think the
Speaker 5: World Cup for me, I take Moose's point about the
Speaker 5: batting and the structure and the way they played. I
Speaker 5: think the development of players like Plimmer, like Carson, like
Speaker 5: Jonas and Gays. You've suddenly got four young players. They're
Speaker 5: making contributions right throughout that. The build up of the
Speaker 5: you know, in the game throughout the tournament, Kerr of
Speaker 5: course continued and you know that the older players, the
Speaker 5: grandmothers as they refer to them, had had moments, didn't
Speaker 5: they divine Playing against India, Kerr picking up wickets throughout
Speaker 5: and getting runs in the final, I think Mayor coming
Speaker 5: back and introducing him. I saw that last final, for example,
Speaker 5: as the New Zealand bowlers versus the top order of
Speaker 5: the South Africans because they won by seven wickets, eight
Speaker 5: wickets and two wickets in their lead up to this match,
Speaker 5: beating Ossie by eight wickets Volpart Brits, Bosh, those people
Speaker 5: you know, and then perhaps Marian Cup. They can play well.
Speaker 5: So it was our bowlers against them and we held
Speaker 5: catchers as well. So you know, well done the women,
Speaker 5: very well done.
Speaker 2: And ameliacur Wold, Fart and Bosh, who were the dominant
Speaker 2: players against Australia. Her contribution was was fabulous.
Speaker 4: Time for a little bit of honesty from us.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 4: I didn't go to the t B and back New
Speaker 4: Zealand and either event last week, did you.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm not a gambler, so.
Speaker 2: I don't mind it, but I didn't like the odds
Speaker 2: because I wouldn't have I wouldn't have given either.
Speaker 5: No, I'm with you once too. I think I think, well,
Speaker 5: I think quite a few. We wouldn't have been alone.
Speaker 7: From the team.
Speaker 4: The emotions were obvious after the game. Straight after the match,
Speaker 4: player of the tournament Melia Kerhr, revealed it wasn't achieved
Speaker 4: without the obvious sweat and toil.
Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously I was probably struggling a little bit out
Speaker 8: there whilst betting, and it was hot. I went through
Speaker 8: about ten pairs of gloves, so I sweating a lot,
Speaker 8: and yeah, when I came off, had a nice bath
Speaker 8: and then got out on the field and sprinted for
Speaker 8: one and felt my carf almost go and cramp up.
Speaker 8: And then I bowled my first ball and the same
Speaker 8: feeling kind of happened, so thankfully I then stayed in
Speaker 8: the ring and didn't need a field on the boundary
Speaker 8: where I normally do, and bowling was just getting through
Speaker 8: the crease. I probably didn't put as much energy through
Speaker 8: the crease as I would have liked, but still managed
Speaker 8: to get through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she certainly struggled quite clearly, and for Kurt and
Speaker 4: the captain Sophie Divine, there was some extra motivation.
Speaker 8: I was inspired to be a white fern watching that
Speaker 8: twenty ten World cart which Sophie was at, and from
Speaker 8: that moment I was at the nets with my dad
Speaker 8: pretending I was batting with Sophie and Susie. And I
Speaker 8: like being in the team so young and playing with
Speaker 8: my role models who have been so good to me,
Speaker 8: and two of New Zealand's greatest ever cricketers. I don't
Speaker 8: necessarily believe you deserve things in sport, but if any
Speaker 8: two people do, it's Sophie and Sue. And I just
Speaker 8: think back to myself as a kid that was batting
Speaker 8: with Sophie and Susie in the nets, and like when
Speaker 8: I was at primary school and creative writing, I wrote
Speaker 8: about winning a World Cup with Sophie and Susie and
Speaker 8: so to be here now having done that, I think
Speaker 8: that's probably why I was so emotional out on the
Speaker 8: field in the moment, and yeah, something that's so special
Speaker 8: when I think back to my younger self and to
Speaker 8: be here now and to do it with two of
Speaker 8: these eland's best ever.
Speaker 7: I just hope that it instills belief and confidence in
Speaker 7: these young ones. I think we've seen over the last
Speaker 7: three or four weeks their confidence grow, and as a leader,
Speaker 7: that's what you want is to see that growth. And
Speaker 7: I know we've sort of joked about being grandmas and
Speaker 7: mums and whatnot, but it really is. You feel a
Speaker 7: real sense of pride and seeing them stand up and
Speaker 7: take opportunities and to take moments and like merely today
Speaker 7: was unbelievable, Like what you're able to achieve out there
Speaker 7: is pretty bloody cool. So yeah, from us to be
Speaker 7: able to win it, it is it's just nice to
Speaker 7: have there. I think it's always something that you want
Speaker 7: want to have when you finish your I'm not retiring,
Speaker 7: by the way, just putting that out there, but yeah,
Speaker 7: to be able to say that you're a World Cup
Speaker 7: winner is something that's, yeah, is really special and to
Speaker 7: be able to share it with this group of players,
Speaker 7: it's obviously something that you hold onto the rest of
Speaker 7: your career. Oh. I think the coaching staff don't get
Speaker 7: enough credit. They're probably the first ones to get absolutely
Speaker 7: slammed by you know, critics, media outsiders, and they get
Speaker 7: forgotten when a team wins. But they have been outstanding.
Speaker 7: They've stood with every single one of us players and
Speaker 7: backed us and believed in us, given us the confidence
Speaker 7: to know that they, yeah, that when we play our best,
Speaker 7: when we play the brand of cricket that we want to,
Speaker 7: you can win Will Cups. So the likes have been
Speaker 7: Dean Browne as well, Craig natecviillan who's recently on board,
Speaker 7: Paul Wiseman. But I also think back to you know,
Speaker 7: Craig Howard had a really important role with the spinners
Speaker 7: previous to there. I think about Andre Adams and his
Speaker 7: impact around the group. There's been so much people that
Speaker 7: have come into our environment and have added to it
Speaker 7: and have helped this team grow that to be able
Speaker 7: to I guess sit here with a World Cut trophy,
Speaker 7: it goes to them as well. And everything that they've
Speaker 7: been able to give to the players, to the group's
Speaker 7: New Zealand cricket as well. I think so much has
Speaker 7: to go to them. Obviously we're the ones that do
Speaker 7: it out on the park, but the hours that they spend,
Speaker 7: you know, toiling away, planning, preparing players. Yeah, they really
Speaker 7: are the unsung heroes and so much credit has to
Speaker 7: go to them.
Speaker 4: And I know one person who would have enjoyed it,
Speaker 4: former White fern Kirsty Bond.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I mean how good was that? I mean
Speaker 3: I had to pinch myself actually at one stage, and
Speaker 3: you know, I was just couldn't believe I was watching
Speaker 3: the same team, to be honest, Just so many good
Speaker 3: things that happened in that match that just may really
Speaker 3: warmed the heart around everything that we've been talking about
Speaker 3: with the White fans. To see it come together like
Speaker 3: that on a big stage, was just, you know, something
Speaker 3: really special. So, you know, I know they've had a
Speaker 3: lot of critics in the last few years, and I'll
Speaker 3: certainly put my hand up and say that I've been
Speaker 3: one of them. Just to see, you know, the way
Speaker 3: those players stood up last night was just unbelievably great.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, a huge congratulations to them. It's
Speaker 3: just fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, and it'll be a lucrative time for them
Speaker 4: as well. They're going to pick up something like two
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand plus each player, and that's good
Speaker 4: for the women's game as well. You talk about the criticism,
Speaker 4: I think some of it was justified to some extent,
Speaker 4: and they picked a tough program, didn't they against Australia
Speaker 4: and England. But I guess we've also got to say
Speaker 4: it may have started to bear some fruit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know, like I, you know, yes,
Speaker 3: I've been critical. I know a lot of others have
Speaker 3: as well, and I think, you know, as Kiwi as
Speaker 3: we do expect a lot of our of our athletes.
Speaker 3: And to be fair, I think you know a lot
Speaker 3: of my calls were you know, in regards to the
Speaker 3: team was really around the senior players, and then you know,
Speaker 3: standing up and leading from the front and performing on
Speaker 3: a consistent basis. Really, you know, I've always said that
Speaker 3: that that is, you know, the most important things that
Speaker 3: your senior players have got to lead from the front.
Speaker 3: And if if you get some of your younger players,
Speaker 3: you know, contributing here and there, well that that's a
Speaker 3: real bonus. But you know, the thing that was so
Speaker 3: exciting about the World Cup this time around was that
Speaker 3: we did see some of our young players like Carson,
Speaker 3: like Plimmer really starting to show their talent, which you
Speaker 3: know that that in itself just is so exciting for
Speaker 3: the future. And I have to say, you know, Georgia Plimmer,
Speaker 3: like that, what a star that girl is going to be,
Speaker 3: because man, she's had a tough time, a really tough time,
Speaker 3: and she obviously has hung in there and kept believing.
Speaker 3: And you know, I had my doubts about her opening
Speaker 3: the batting and the pressure that was on her. Man,
Speaker 3: she really stood up in this World Cup and all
Speaker 3: credit to her.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think You've been one who's in the past
Speaker 4: have said that we have to have the focus on
Speaker 4: youth and a matter of patience, and there has been
Speaker 4: patients with glimmer with the spin ballers, I thought have
Speaker 4: really shown their true abilities, Carson and fran Jonas, and
Speaker 4: you know, it's been a tough road for them, and
Speaker 4: the fact that they've held together has been pretty important
Speaker 4: because it's a tough world and when you are being criticized,
Speaker 4: you've got to look for some positives and sometimes they're
Speaker 4: very hard to find.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they can be and you know, and that's
Speaker 3: never easy when you're a young player and you know
Speaker 3: you're trying to find your feet in the international game.
Speaker 3: And I've I've always said that, you know, we cannot
Speaker 3: point the finger at our young players that are in
Speaker 3: that team because they have It's not their fault that
Speaker 3: they've found themselves there at such an early stage of
Speaker 3: their careers. And I think, you know, they obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: show a lot of potential and that's why they've been picked.
Speaker 3: But yeah, to see to see that bear fruit over
Speaker 3: this tournament is just really exciting. And you know, we
Speaker 3: are looking at potentially three of our experienced players in
Speaker 3: the Grandmas as they call themselves, divine and Baits and
Speaker 3: to who may well in the not too distant future retire,
Speaker 3: you know, that will leave a massive hole. So you know,
Speaker 3: you have to be thinking if that doesn't inspire our
Speaker 3: young cricketers sixteen seventeen, eighteen year olds around the country
Speaker 3: to want to, you know, work hard and want to
Speaker 3: play the game at an international level, then you wonder
Speaker 3: what would inspire them. I also had to say, Brian,
Speaker 3: I really thought that Brooke Halliday's innings last night was
Speaker 3: a real game changer. And I really thought, you know,
Speaker 3: I know, merely better beautifully for a forty three, but
Speaker 3: I actually have thought all tournament that Mealy almost looked
Speaker 3: like she wasn't batting as well as what you know,
Speaker 3: we know she came back, she looked to be struggling
Speaker 3: a little bit with her timing at times, and I
Speaker 3: thought the way Brook came out last night and and
Speaker 3: really just took the game to her game to the
Speaker 3: South Africans and just took so much pressure of me Lee,
Speaker 3: I really felt like that innings of hers was a
Speaker 3: game changer for us.
Speaker 4: Nicely finished off too by Maddy Green who took runs
Speaker 4: off the last She's a player who's been disappointing in
Speaker 4: terms of her performances of recent times, but they were
Speaker 4: emphatic ones that game and the one against India to
Speaker 4: start the tournament. I think set the scene for them,
Speaker 4: didn't it, because they really took it to India and
Speaker 4: they're a good side, that Indian side they are.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean the first game of the tournament,
Speaker 3: last game in the tournament, and you know, some of
Speaker 3: what we saw in between was a little bit mixed.
Speaker 3: I thought we had a fairly average performance against the
Speaker 3: West Indies in the semi final and I think we
Speaker 3: just we were lucky that we came up with against
Speaker 3: the West Indies team that were even more average, to
Speaker 3: be fair. And I know I remember thinking back at
Speaker 3: the time over that game and thinking, gee, if we
Speaker 3: dropped the catchers that we dropped in that game against
Speaker 3: the West Indy's and the final, then we really, you know,
Speaker 3: that's really going to be something that will be pretty
Speaker 3: hard to come back from. But you know, last night,
Speaker 3: the composure in the fielding I thought was absolutely superb.
Speaker 4: Indeed, and drop catches were a problem. There must have
Speaker 4: been the lights I think that created that issue for
Speaker 4: all sides. New Zealand was one of the better catching sides.
Speaker 4: In terms of talking about the preparation. I know Ben
Speaker 4: Sawyer's had a bit to do in terms of developing
Speaker 4: the program, and he's got the compliments that they deserve
Speaker 4: for just wonder how important Craig McMullan has been to
Speaker 4: that team in terms of what he brings the experience,
Speaker 4: the fact that he's been a coach and the men's team,
Speaker 4: what he has brought to that women's team in terms
Speaker 4: of not only what they do on the park, but
Speaker 4: mental attitude.
Speaker 3: Only the players probably could answer that question. You know,
Speaker 3: I did think about that last night too, about where
Speaker 3: the you know, how much of an impact Meccha has had,
Speaker 3: And yeah, I guess we'd have to ask the players
Speaker 3: about that, about how they feel about that. But certainly,
Speaker 3: you know, Mecca would have a huge amount to offer.
Speaker 3: We know that for sure, and I'm sure that he
Speaker 3: has played a huge part and what the girls have
Speaker 3: achieved over this tournament.
Speaker 4: You talk about being prepared for young people to come
Speaker 4: into the game, we've got to provide the programs for
Speaker 4: them they do. It's not just a matter of people say, oh,
Speaker 4: let's go and play cricket. You've got to offer them
Speaker 4: the programs that will want to They'll want to play,
Speaker 4: don't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and I think there's definitely some some
Speaker 3: good things starting to happen around the country, which is
Speaker 3: which is you know, promising. Whilst it's wonderful to see
Speaker 3: the White fans wint to World Cup, and especially wonderful
Speaker 3: for those, you know, for for Suzi and for the
Speaker 3: Leah and for Sophie in particular, it's really important that
Speaker 3: it doesn't mask what is really happening underneath in our
Speaker 3: game and that you know, it's in a perilous state
Speaker 3: and and it needs, you know, some genuine vision, it
Speaker 3: needs some genuine investment, and I'm really hoping now that
Speaker 3: we'll see that start to happen. And I think if
Speaker 3: you look across the Tasman and I know we don't
Speaker 3: have the money that Australia has, but if you look
Speaker 3: across the Testment at the way that Australian cricket to
Speaker 3: a punt on the women and invested in the game there,
Speaker 3: and it's it's paid off in bucket loads for them.
Speaker 3: And I've always maintained that we have the talent, we
Speaker 3: just need to provide the opportunities, the pathways, the structures
Speaker 3: so that that talent can be developed. And that's what
Speaker 3: I've always said about those young players and the white
Speaker 3: funds at the moment that you know, when they were
Speaker 3: being criticized that actually it's it's really not their fault
Speaker 3: that they've found themselves in this position because they haven't
Speaker 3: had the opportunities to have their game developed in the
Speaker 3: way that it should have been prior to making the
Speaker 3: white you know, being selected in the white fans.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been on the front line right the way through,
Speaker 4: haven't they. England too, have so good programs that developed
Speaker 4: their players. It's a great though, guesty that the emphasis
Speaker 4: on the white fans of the women's game at a
Speaker 4: time when New Zealand have recorded one of their best
Speaker 4: Test victories in men's cricket and the women have taken them.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But you know it was great weekend, wasn't it. I mean,
Speaker 3: what had a fantastic achievement by the Black Cats to
Speaker 3: want a test in India? You know, I think was
Speaker 3: it the first time in thirty six years or something
Speaker 3: like that? A long time anyway.
Speaker 4: I don't mentioned that time because I was there thirty
Speaker 4: six years ago when they won that game.
Speaker 3: There wasn't a game you had to go on the field,
Speaker 3: was it? What?
Speaker 4: No, No, Jeremy Coney did. I didn't get the opportunity.
Speaker 4: I'm forever annoyed about that because they had some clothes
Speaker 4: for me to wear. It I never got on.
Speaker 3: You, was it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: There was a fantastic performance. I mean the bowling in
Speaker 3: the first innings was superb and great to see a
Speaker 3: young bowler like willow Walk performed so well. And of
Speaker 3: course Matt Henry Bold superbly. But you know, I mean
Speaker 3: Revendra's one hundred was just sensationized thought. He's just such
Speaker 3: a star as me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's good that our game has those players
Speaker 4: who can step up. When you take a Test match
Speaker 4: without Kane Williamson, you give yourself a bit of a
Speaker 4: handicap because of his abilities, and yet somebody just steps
Speaker 4: up and takes that role, and in the toughest environment India.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what it's all about, isn't it. When
Speaker 3: you've got players of that sort of caliber and they're
Speaker 3: able to take those opportunities when they get them, as
Speaker 3: you know Rivendra has. I mean I think back to
Speaker 3: the recent World Cup where he played so beautifully and
Speaker 3: I think, you know what, he got his place really
Speaker 3: because it wasn't someone injured and so he was given
Speaker 3: an opportunity and he came out and lasted one hundred
Speaker 3: in a Swiss game. So yeah, it is. It's so
Speaker 3: good to watch to see those young players take those
Speaker 3: opportunities and really make the most of them, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the pressures on them now, of course. They
Speaker 4: got two more tests and in there, and then they
Speaker 4: come home to play England and one of those games,
Speaker 4: I think the first one is at your home ground,
Speaker 4: so that'll be exciting for you coming up. But you'll
Speaker 4: be still coaching, are you.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm still going a little bit, you know. I
Speaker 3: really just enjoy working with the young ones and doing
Speaker 3: a few I'm doing a few one on ones at
Speaker 3: the moment with some young players, so I really enjoy that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, earlier in the year, took a young team
Speaker 3: under fifteen sort of unofficial South Island team Revage, to
Speaker 3: a tournament in Dubai, which was absolutely the most fantastic experience.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us, Kirsty.
Speaker 4: It's lovely to talk to you about the women's game
Speaker 4: and I look forward to taking that opportunity later through
Speaker 4: the season if possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, lovely. Thanks so much, Brian.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nice to hear from Kirsty Bond again. And just
Speaker 4: an important point she made towards the end is it's
Speaker 4: not a given that we will get young women playing cricket.
Speaker 4: We've got to put the programs together whereby they can
Speaker 4: be developed at our top players, the likes that you
Speaker 4: talked about Jerry Plimmer and Carson and fran Jonas am
Speaker 4: not really able to learn the game anywhere other than
Speaker 4: playing internationally, are they They're not getting those opportunities and
Speaker 4: they've got to be provided for them back here at home.
Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting, Brian. I contrast this with
Speaker 2: something which I saw in Melbourne last week where a
Speaker 2: club that you and I are both involved and were
Speaker 2: playing the MCC at the offred ground. They had to
Speaker 2: be off the ground by four point thirty because the
Speaker 2: women were coming to play the Melbourne Cricket Club women.
Speaker 2: There would have been forty of them there, kitted completely out,
Speaker 2: four or five coaches, the resources going into one club.
Speaker 2: That's just the Mobile Cricket Club the MCC who had
Speaker 2: been start contrast to probably see anything you would see
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. It was also a comment that I
Speaker 2: would have met that ten years ago you wouldn't have
Speaker 2: seen that. But in Australia the resources that they are
Speaker 2: putting into women's cricket was quite stark. And I think
Speaker 2: you're right. The programs are the yere. I'm hearing good
Speaker 2: things from Craig coming what he's doing down and down
Speaker 2: in Otaga, and I'm sure it's being replicated in other parts.
Speaker 2: But it's the question of rew and focus.
Speaker 6: Well, it's an opportunity, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Wad.
Speaker 5: We've got a grasp that. Don't lose this chance New
Speaker 5: Zealand cricket. You know, of trying to bring new players
Speaker 5: into the game and having things available for them.
Speaker 4: It's going to cost them money. They've got to spend
Speaker 4: a bit of money to get the programs so that
Speaker 4: these people can play, rather than put them up on
Speaker 4: Granada Park where no one can see them play and
Speaker 4: it blows like hell. I don't think you would have
Speaker 4: ever played at Grenada Park in Wellington, Jerry, you were
Speaker 4: too good for that. But us lower graders we know
Speaker 4: what Grenada Park was like, and I'm sure there are
Speaker 4: parks like that up and down the country. They've got
Speaker 4: to be given the prominence that their achievements have merited.
Speaker 2: Look, I think I agree with you. That's shit on
Speaker 2: Granada Park. I would have equated it to the Enville
Speaker 2: Park anyway.
Speaker 4: Come oh, Cony played there, beautiful ground. Let's hope we're
Speaker 4: talking about some cricket to celebrate. Next week the women
Speaker 4: have those three one day is that they've got to play,
Speaker 4: and there's a Test match in Puna. Rest well, gentlemen,
Speaker 4: put the betting slips away. You know you might be
Speaker 4: inclined to go and back New Zealand and a Test match.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I know you don't, Jerry, So that's fine.
Speaker 2: Can I just ask a question? Was very interesting? Rite
Speaker 2: it towards the end of the innings ashwn Bowl. The
Speaker 2: last couple of overs was not introduced until after Judasia
Speaker 2: and cool Deep and they kept coming back. What does
Speaker 2: that mean? It was perplexing to me.
Speaker 6: You had to put.
Speaker 2: Probably probably, But I just thought it was interesting that
Speaker 2: he was, wasn't you.
Speaker 4: Well we'll see what happens in the Test match in Poona.
Speaker 4: Thanks for your time, guys, I look forward to talking
Speaker 4: to you again. Enjoy the time off between now and
Speaker 4: the start of POONA.
Speaker 6: Good side step was lovely to hear from you. Take
Speaker 6: care of mate. You make sure you've been the winger
Speaker 6: now and going in the corner.
Speaker 2: Ye have a good time.
Speaker 4: Summer.
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