1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said b 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:18,813 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on Iheartradiot. 3 00:00:19,213 --> 00:00:19,613 Speaker 2: Take another. 4 00:00:21,213 --> 00:00:21,933 Speaker 3: It's your trick. 5 00:00:22,533 --> 00:00:24,213 Speaker 4: It is out, the Test is over. 6 00:00:26,453 --> 00:00:28,773 Speaker 2: Couldn't a smoke? Oh wow, there was a beauty. It 7 00:00:28,893 --> 00:00:30,813 Speaker 2: is out and hearing guys. 8 00:00:30,893 --> 00:00:32,453 Speaker 4: Just delivery has inn. 9 00:00:32,453 --> 00:00:37,773 Speaker 1: Used the bowl On the front Foot with Brian Waddell 10 00:00:37,893 --> 00:00:42,213 Speaker 1: and Jeremy Cody, powered by News Talks dead b at 11 00:00:42,293 --> 00:00:43,733 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 12 00:00:46,293 --> 00:00:48,213 Speaker 4: Hello, it's great to be on the front foot with 13 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:51,533 Speaker 4: you again. A weekend from heaven for cricket lovers. I 14 00:00:51,613 --> 00:00:55,733 Speaker 4: went over India in their backyard, against all expectations. I 15 00:00:55,853 --> 00:00:58,533 Speaker 4: kept that off while many people slipped. The White Ferns 16 00:00:58,613 --> 00:01:02,093 Speaker 4: completed victory in the World T twenty Championship in Dubai. 17 00:01:02,613 --> 00:01:07,133 Speaker 4: Wonderful moments for New Zealand cricket, thirty six years since 18 00:01:07,133 --> 00:01:11,133 Speaker 4: the last one and nineteen eighty eight. I was doing 19 00:01:11,173 --> 00:01:13,973 Speaker 4: commentary during that Test match with a guy who played 20 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:19,173 Speaker 4: cricket for New Zealand previously, and he deserted the commentary 21 00:01:19,173 --> 00:01:24,613 Speaker 4: box in the game previously at Bangalore. I was left 22 00:01:24,613 --> 00:01:26,173 Speaker 4: to do it all on my own. I don't know 23 00:01:26,213 --> 00:01:29,053 Speaker 4: what happened to him, but I think he surfaced after there. 24 00:01:29,733 --> 00:01:31,653 Speaker 4: You remember him, Jerry, Do you know who it was? 25 00:01:32,213 --> 00:01:39,933 Speaker 5: I remember changing from my civies into one of the 26 00:01:39,973 --> 00:01:46,333 Speaker 5: New Zealand players his trousers because they fit me and 27 00:01:46,413 --> 00:01:47,813 Speaker 5: I was pressed into action. 28 00:01:48,173 --> 00:01:48,333 Speaker 6: You. 29 00:01:48,893 --> 00:01:53,533 Speaker 5: I also remember a fellow commentator rather disappointed that the 30 00:01:53,573 --> 00:01:56,093 Speaker 5: opportunity to get onto the field was the rest of 31 00:01:56,133 --> 00:01:59,973 Speaker 5: the New Zealand players who were fit at the time, 32 00:02:01,573 --> 00:02:05,413 Speaker 5: and listening to various team talks and so on. 33 00:02:05,973 --> 00:02:08,333 Speaker 6: You remember that too, was don't you. 34 00:02:08,413 --> 00:02:09,493 Speaker 4: Yeah he was crying. 35 00:02:10,333 --> 00:02:16,693 Speaker 6: Yeah, yes he was, Yes he was little face gasp. Yeah. 36 00:02:16,853 --> 00:02:20,173 Speaker 4: Bangalore, nineteen eighty eight, when the New Zealand side was 37 00:02:20,213 --> 00:02:23,413 Speaker 4: beaten by India. They've been taken ill and that's why 38 00:02:23,493 --> 00:02:26,293 Speaker 4: Jeremy Coney was out on the park. I never got there. 39 00:02:26,333 --> 00:02:29,373 Speaker 4: But the next Test was a real turnaround in Mumbai 40 00:02:29,813 --> 00:02:32,853 Speaker 4: and they won it. The last time we've beaten India 41 00:02:33,493 --> 00:02:38,133 Speaker 4: in India was a remarkable achievement. Peter Holland as well 42 00:02:38,173 --> 00:02:43,133 Speaker 4: as again and the Test match that they've just won, well, 43 00:02:43,373 --> 00:02:45,133 Speaker 4: it was the sort of performance we want to see 44 00:02:45,173 --> 00:02:49,053 Speaker 4: from a New Zealand side, wasn't it. They'd learned many 45 00:02:49,053 --> 00:02:52,173 Speaker 4: of the lessons from the embarrassing defeats in Sri Lanka. 46 00:02:53,053 --> 00:02:57,133 Speaker 2: No question was and a good day to you and 47 00:02:57,253 --> 00:03:00,933 Speaker 2: Jerry Well I've written down here in my notes. Test 48 00:03:01,013 --> 00:03:05,373 Speaker 2: match wonderful, fabulous, the ebbs and flows when you look 49 00:03:05,373 --> 00:03:08,853 Speaker 2: at the scoreboard where it says forty six one hundred 50 00:03:08,933 --> 00:03:13,333 Speaker 2: plus and then four hundred plus from India, and then 51 00:03:13,453 --> 00:03:16,453 Speaker 2: then there's the jeopardy of the of the of the 52 00:03:16,493 --> 00:03:20,413 Speaker 2: fourth innings that New Zealand's got to play, and being 53 00:03:20,413 --> 00:03:24,013 Speaker 2: a New Zealand follower for so long one feared the 54 00:03:24,013 --> 00:03:29,533 Speaker 2: worst and intrepidations and being the utter coward that I am, Brian, 55 00:03:30,173 --> 00:03:33,453 Speaker 2: I can't watch that, so I have to I have 56 00:03:33,533 --> 00:03:35,453 Speaker 2: to walk away and go into the garden, if you 57 00:03:35,493 --> 00:03:38,773 Speaker 2: know what I mean, because I'll be bad luck. But no, 58 00:03:38,933 --> 00:03:41,013 Speaker 2: a wonderful Test match, and I think it brought out 59 00:03:41,013 --> 00:03:44,453 Speaker 2: a lot of things that perhaps we had been looking for, 60 00:03:45,093 --> 00:03:47,533 Speaker 2: not least of which that actually had some match time, 61 00:03:47,973 --> 00:03:51,613 Speaker 2: albeit not very well performed in Sri Lanka. But they 62 00:03:51,653 --> 00:03:55,013 Speaker 2: looked a lot more match hardened to my mind. 63 00:03:55,613 --> 00:03:58,333 Speaker 4: Very important that and they won a toss which I 64 00:03:58,333 --> 00:04:01,333 Speaker 4: think was significant. Latham said he would have been well, 65 00:04:01,453 --> 00:04:05,613 Speaker 4: that might have been trouble but Henry and O'Rourke. Was 66 00:04:05,613 --> 00:04:08,493 Speaker 4: there ever an indication of where was Henry drew the 67 00:04:08,493 --> 00:04:13,893 Speaker 4: Sherilankan testaments. Surely that was answered by his performance in Bangalore, 68 00:04:13,973 --> 00:04:14,333 Speaker 4: wasn't it. 69 00:04:15,133 --> 00:04:16,053 Speaker 6: I was a lot. 70 00:04:16,333 --> 00:04:19,333 Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people who follow cricket will 71 00:04:19,333 --> 00:04:23,613 Speaker 5: have been nonplussed at the non selection of Henry. I 72 00:04:23,613 --> 00:04:28,013 Speaker 5: think everybody kind of understood why because he was going 73 00:04:28,053 --> 00:04:31,173 Speaker 5: to take the position of the captain and that makes 74 00:04:31,213 --> 00:04:35,653 Speaker 5: it a bit more awkward for the selectors. Nevertheless, New 75 00:04:35,773 --> 00:04:39,053 Speaker 5: Zealand are a better side when he's in the playing eleven. 76 00:04:39,093 --> 00:04:42,173 Speaker 5: We've just got to accept that and move on from 77 00:04:42,213 --> 00:04:46,133 Speaker 5: those other issues, no matter how difficult they are, particularly 78 00:04:46,813 --> 00:04:50,373 Speaker 5: when the situation says that the conditions of the game 79 00:04:50,453 --> 00:04:52,893 Speaker 5: are going to suit someone like Matt Henry. 80 00:04:53,333 --> 00:04:54,893 Speaker 6: I think we should just dwell. 81 00:04:54,653 --> 00:04:58,733 Speaker 5: If we could on the toss a little bit, because 82 00:05:00,053 --> 00:05:04,453 Speaker 5: clearly it played a very major role in the way 83 00:05:04,493 --> 00:05:07,813 Speaker 5: that New Zealand were able to construct a win from 84 00:05:07,813 --> 00:05:12,653 Speaker 5: this game. I think the decision if you won the 85 00:05:12,733 --> 00:05:17,013 Speaker 5: toss held very high consequences. Both of the captains would 86 00:05:17,013 --> 00:05:21,133 Speaker 5: have got it wrong. Both sides wanted to bat, and 87 00:05:21,173 --> 00:05:25,533 Speaker 5: that just indicates how strong the history in India of 88 00:05:25,653 --> 00:05:29,253 Speaker 5: pictures deteriorating throughout the match and over the course of 89 00:05:29,293 --> 00:05:32,573 Speaker 5: the match and the result of the match because of it. 90 00:05:33,013 --> 00:05:35,253 Speaker 6: The history says you bat first, you bat first. 91 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:37,973 Speaker 5: It's very ossy in that kind of sense. You know, 92 00:05:38,013 --> 00:05:40,293 Speaker 5: you're about nine times and on the tenth time you're 93 00:05:40,293 --> 00:05:44,693 Speaker 5: bat The fact of it is they said that you 94 00:05:44,773 --> 00:05:49,853 Speaker 5: shalt bat, but the present conditions said you must bowl. 95 00:05:50,093 --> 00:05:55,973 Speaker 5: You know, four or five days undercovers with rain, dank, 96 00:05:56,413 --> 00:05:59,253 Speaker 5: thick cloud covering lights on. 97 00:06:00,373 --> 00:06:01,173 Speaker 6: That says bowl. 98 00:06:02,653 --> 00:06:05,213 Speaker 5: It also says you got to do it quite quickly 99 00:06:05,253 --> 00:06:08,733 Speaker 5: and grab the opportunity. That's what New Zealand did well. 100 00:06:09,173 --> 00:06:12,653 Speaker 5: Even right Chama said it might be sticky. Well it 101 00:06:12,733 --> 00:06:17,373 Speaker 5: certainly was, and New Zealand were good enough to grab that, 102 00:06:17,613 --> 00:06:18,933 Speaker 5: you know, grab the nettle. 103 00:06:19,693 --> 00:06:19,973 Speaker 6: You know. 104 00:06:20,293 --> 00:06:23,933 Speaker 5: They also forgot both captains. I felt the way to 105 00:06:24,013 --> 00:06:26,693 Speaker 5: win a four day game with the first day reigned 106 00:06:26,733 --> 00:06:31,453 Speaker 5: out is to bat once and bat well, and usually 107 00:06:31,493 --> 00:06:35,213 Speaker 5: you bat second. Now that was perfect for the situation 108 00:06:35,413 --> 00:06:42,253 Speaker 5: confronting both captains at Bengaluru. To supply rest to your bowlers, 109 00:06:42,573 --> 00:06:46,493 Speaker 5: you bowl first, you then bat once and bat well, 110 00:06:47,333 --> 00:06:50,693 Speaker 5: and then you give the bowlers a rest and then. 111 00:06:50,573 --> 00:06:51,293 Speaker 6: You bat again. 112 00:06:51,373 --> 00:06:54,773 Speaker 5: And that's kind of what happened, except obviously India came 113 00:06:54,813 --> 00:06:56,933 Speaker 5: back into the game a bit more on that third innings, 114 00:06:57,293 --> 00:06:59,493 Speaker 5: but New Zealand grabbed it. They bowled well, as you 115 00:06:59,573 --> 00:07:06,053 Speaker 5: say O'Rourke, Henry. They held for a change almost one 116 00:07:06,133 --> 00:07:09,333 Speaker 5: hundred percent of their capture some good ones too, and 117 00:07:09,373 --> 00:07:12,933 Speaker 5: we can go into that a bit later. So and 118 00:07:13,013 --> 00:07:15,253 Speaker 5: then they not only did that, was they got then 119 00:07:15,293 --> 00:07:19,053 Speaker 5: a lead of three hundred and fifty six, which put 120 00:07:19,133 --> 00:07:21,293 Speaker 5: them in the box seat and left India. 121 00:07:21,053 --> 00:07:21,973 Speaker 6: So far behind. 122 00:07:22,893 --> 00:07:25,213 Speaker 5: They had to not only get five hundred and fifty 123 00:07:26,093 --> 00:07:28,973 Speaker 5: that's the three fifty in debit plus two hundred if 124 00:07:29,013 --> 00:07:31,813 Speaker 5: they could and scored them at a very high rate, 125 00:07:32,173 --> 00:07:35,133 Speaker 5: which they did. But New Zealand just nipped them in 126 00:07:35,173 --> 00:07:36,013 Speaker 5: the bud at the end. 127 00:07:37,013 --> 00:07:40,413 Speaker 2: But can I just add, I think coming into this 128 00:07:40,613 --> 00:07:44,133 Speaker 2: India and you've got the sense from rowhit that despite 129 00:07:44,173 --> 00:07:48,453 Speaker 2: there was concerns about batting first based on the form 130 00:07:48,493 --> 00:07:53,413 Speaker 2: coming in where they'd absolutely flogged Bangladesh and we we 131 00:07:53,813 --> 00:07:58,213 Speaker 2: were somewhat not at our best in Sri Lanka, that 132 00:07:58,253 --> 00:08:02,213 Speaker 2: they would still carry through and I think that makes 133 00:08:02,253 --> 00:08:05,013 Speaker 2: the win even more pleasing for New Zealand that they 134 00:08:05,653 --> 00:08:08,053 Speaker 2: they overcame that and there was a degree of shall 135 00:08:08,053 --> 00:08:11,693 Speaker 2: we see, we'll just brush you aside anyway From India, 136 00:08:11,773 --> 00:08:12,733 Speaker 2: I've got the sense of. 137 00:08:13,173 --> 00:08:15,893 Speaker 6: Vague arrogance, yeah, touch of arrogance. 138 00:08:16,373 --> 00:08:20,053 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what justify we sob if I'm 139 00:08:20,093 --> 00:08:25,253 Speaker 2: probably in their issues yep, but well played New Zealand Revender. 140 00:08:25,413 --> 00:08:29,453 Speaker 5: Class what class judgment of length wds for me? For 141 00:08:30,013 --> 00:08:33,493 Speaker 5: Ratchen one of the best I've witnessed actually by New 142 00:08:33,573 --> 00:08:36,813 Speaker 5: Zealand batsmen. Maybe the fact that they were bowling between 143 00:08:36,893 --> 00:08:39,453 Speaker 5: ninety one and ninety four k, which is tough, you know, 144 00:08:40,213 --> 00:08:43,453 Speaker 5: quick and tough, but it does help you because you 145 00:08:43,493 --> 00:08:45,373 Speaker 5: can't float the ball up and get it to dip 146 00:08:45,493 --> 00:08:50,613 Speaker 5: quite so much. But nevertheless, as a batsman, it buys 147 00:08:50,653 --> 00:08:53,453 Speaker 5: you time. If you can see where the length is 148 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:56,733 Speaker 5: going to land early, it buys your time to get 149 00:08:56,773 --> 00:08:59,853 Speaker 5: forward and get close to it, or if it's shorter 150 00:09:00,333 --> 00:09:03,293 Speaker 5: to go back and either you know, get you know 151 00:09:03,573 --> 00:09:08,293 Speaker 5: and revendra. The other aspect I felt about is bat 152 00:09:08,733 --> 00:09:12,813 Speaker 5: was if he went forward he could hit anywhere between 153 00:09:12,973 --> 00:09:16,853 Speaker 5: square cover to cover to extra cover to long off 154 00:09:17,213 --> 00:09:21,293 Speaker 5: to wide long on from the same place where it 155 00:09:21,373 --> 00:09:25,253 Speaker 5: hit the pitch. Now, imagine that is a bowler. Imagine 156 00:09:25,253 --> 00:09:28,933 Speaker 5: that as a captain. You know, your setting of your 157 00:09:29,053 --> 00:09:33,733 Speaker 5: field suddenly becomes a hell of a difficult And so 158 00:09:33,893 --> 00:09:38,413 Speaker 5: he scored very quickly. And that's another benefit of being 159 00:09:38,453 --> 00:09:41,413 Speaker 5: able to see the length. But he is an absolute 160 00:09:41,453 --> 00:09:46,773 Speaker 5: class his wrists when he attacks like high tensile things. 161 00:09:46,773 --> 00:09:52,133 Speaker 5: Something happened during the burst and honestly earns him his 162 00:09:52,253 --> 00:09:55,973 Speaker 5: new TV. His wrists do it earns him his pool 163 00:09:56,053 --> 00:10:01,253 Speaker 5: in the back garden, because that's how much money he 164 00:10:01,373 --> 00:10:04,253 Speaker 5: will get from those powerful risks and being able to 165 00:10:04,253 --> 00:10:04,933 Speaker 5: play the way. 166 00:10:04,773 --> 00:10:08,053 Speaker 2: He did, he plays the quicks very well. Yeah, he 167 00:10:08,053 --> 00:10:11,093 Speaker 2: looks assured against as best you could be against Boomera. 168 00:10:11,493 --> 00:10:14,933 Speaker 2: Contrast Conway say, but no, I just think it's a 169 00:10:14,973 --> 00:10:18,973 Speaker 2: spot work. He doesn't look flustered, he doesn't look ruffled, 170 00:10:19,013 --> 00:10:22,773 Speaker 2: he looks at ease and he's comfortable in his own skin. 171 00:10:22,573 --> 00:10:26,773 Speaker 2: I think he's an absolute revelation and the fact that 172 00:10:26,813 --> 00:10:31,093 Speaker 2: he is committing himself to play Test cricket is something 173 00:10:31,133 --> 00:10:33,453 Speaker 2: that we should all be thankful for and admire of 174 00:10:33,533 --> 00:10:37,053 Speaker 2: him to go that way which he has done. 175 00:10:37,293 --> 00:10:39,573 Speaker 5: Put it this way, India will go away from this 176 00:10:39,733 --> 00:10:42,933 Speaker 5: Test and their spinners will be for the first time 177 00:10:42,973 --> 00:10:47,133 Speaker 5: against New Zealand concerned. They will certainly talk a lot 178 00:10:47,173 --> 00:10:49,293 Speaker 5: about him for the next Test. 179 00:10:50,333 --> 00:10:52,813 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, he certainly the man of the match. Well, 180 00:10:52,853 --> 00:10:56,133 Speaker 4: the other player who impressed me was will Young. He 181 00:10:56,173 --> 00:11:00,053 Speaker 4: looks organized. We'd not seen beginnings from him yet, but 182 00:11:00,253 --> 00:11:02,653 Speaker 4: when they're in trouble, they were under pressure, and that 183 00:11:02,733 --> 00:11:05,533 Speaker 4: fourth innings he held the innings together and he and 184 00:11:05,573 --> 00:11:07,293 Speaker 4: Rivendra took them to the victory. 185 00:11:07,893 --> 00:11:11,133 Speaker 2: I think, well, Young is someone that I believe that 186 00:11:11,213 --> 00:11:13,493 Speaker 2: a lot of us have been sort of thinking, how 187 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:17,173 Speaker 2: can you get him in there? And and he looked, 188 00:11:17,853 --> 00:11:24,813 Speaker 2: he looked assured. His footwork was decisive, whereas I think 189 00:11:24,853 --> 00:11:28,093 Speaker 2: Devon Conway, mind you, he did. Devon Conway at the 190 00:11:28,133 --> 00:11:31,613 Speaker 2: other end did take most of Boomra in Boomera was 191 00:11:31,653 --> 00:11:35,653 Speaker 2: hooping it around. Conways looked far less issued well as 192 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:40,293 Speaker 2: one probably would. But when when you were watching a 193 00:11:40,453 --> 00:11:44,693 Speaker 2: young again, he got back, he got forward, He was decisive. 194 00:11:44,813 --> 00:11:49,813 Speaker 2: I thought class innings and you know, Dan good number 195 00:11:49,813 --> 00:11:53,693 Speaker 2: three for us. And if Williamson's not fit in the 196 00:11:53,693 --> 00:11:56,613 Speaker 2: following Test, I don't think that's too much of a problem. 197 00:11:56,613 --> 00:11:57,693 Speaker 2: We'd love to have him pause. 198 00:11:58,213 --> 00:12:00,533 Speaker 5: Well, it does bring up that question, doesn't at once, 199 00:12:01,173 --> 00:12:05,853 Speaker 5: about if Williamson is available for the next test in Poona, 200 00:12:08,413 --> 00:12:11,533 Speaker 5: what in New Zealand going to do. They might opt 201 00:12:11,573 --> 00:12:16,253 Speaker 5: to say, we'll give you another week of and we'll play. 202 00:12:16,293 --> 00:12:20,253 Speaker 5: Perhaps you might the change you might make, you might 203 00:12:20,293 --> 00:12:24,493 Speaker 5: put Young into open and Conway at three. I just 204 00:12:24,533 --> 00:12:26,853 Speaker 5: want to also fly the flag of Conway for a 205 00:12:26,893 --> 00:12:30,973 Speaker 5: second ninety one. Playing aggressively in the first innings where 206 00:12:30,973 --> 00:12:33,293 Speaker 5: the pitch was much better and easier to play on 207 00:12:33,333 --> 00:12:37,133 Speaker 5: than the last innings, up and down, variable bounce movement. 208 00:12:38,773 --> 00:12:42,413 Speaker 5: Certainly he made it look more uncomfortable. We've all got 209 00:12:42,453 --> 00:12:46,973 Speaker 5: to accept that. But he batted from twelve to thirteen 210 00:12:47,053 --> 00:12:50,773 Speaker 5: overs and Moose is right. He took the majority of Boomra. 211 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:54,613 Speaker 5: He got a bit of luck. The ball was going 212 00:12:54,733 --> 00:12:56,853 Speaker 5: up and down quite a lot to him. But he 213 00:12:56,933 --> 00:13:01,973 Speaker 5: batted for thirteen overs and survived. And he saved the 214 00:13:02,053 --> 00:13:06,253 Speaker 5: rest of the batting order by taking little blows and 215 00:13:06,333 --> 00:13:09,293 Speaker 5: being beaten and hit on the hands, on the thighs 216 00:13:09,333 --> 00:13:13,253 Speaker 5: and so on. It's a tough gig opening against Boomra, 217 00:13:13,973 --> 00:13:17,013 Speaker 5: and so he did a hell of a job even 218 00:13:17,133 --> 00:13:19,093 Speaker 5: just getting to seventeen, don't you agree? 219 00:13:19,493 --> 00:13:22,973 Speaker 4: Oh, most definitely, And you know he did take a pounding. 220 00:13:23,053 --> 00:13:26,493 Speaker 4: His hands are obviously a target for them at the 221 00:13:26,493 --> 00:13:29,533 Speaker 4: moment because he's been hit so many times. Also, the 222 00:13:29,573 --> 00:13:33,053 Speaker 4: game proved that when needed, Tim Soudy actually can bat 223 00:13:33,413 --> 00:13:35,853 Speaker 4: and play an important role with the bat. Where's it 224 00:13:35,933 --> 00:13:38,493 Speaker 4: been through the ten twelve years of his career? 225 00:13:39,053 --> 00:13:42,653 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's a bit of a conundrum, isn't it 226 00:13:42,733 --> 00:13:46,213 Speaker 5: that we all knew from even from his first innings 227 00:13:46,253 --> 00:13:49,173 Speaker 5: when I think he got a seventy? Didn't he know 228 00:13:49,653 --> 00:13:54,773 Speaker 5: the short side boundaries of McClain Park. But nevertheless, he 229 00:13:54,813 --> 00:13:58,013 Speaker 5: could obviously hit a ball, and he's got a good 230 00:13:58,053 --> 00:14:03,493 Speaker 5: hand eye coordination. And I don't know quite why the 231 00:14:03,573 --> 00:14:07,373 Speaker 5: coaching staff and Saudi himself ultimately. 232 00:14:07,373 --> 00:14:10,573 Speaker 6: Have treated his so frivolously. 233 00:14:10,933 --> 00:14:15,493 Speaker 5: Since that time and just concentrated totally on his bowland 234 00:14:17,013 --> 00:14:22,413 Speaker 5: I feel, and getting in love with hitting sixes. He 235 00:14:23,133 --> 00:14:27,013 Speaker 5: did look awkward and like a little foal, you know, 236 00:14:27,133 --> 00:14:30,533 Speaker 5: on feeble feet for a start when he batted, but 237 00:14:30,653 --> 00:14:34,813 Speaker 5: he then against the spin particularly, he grew in stature 238 00:14:34,893 --> 00:14:38,333 Speaker 5: and in confidence and started to hit down the ground 239 00:14:38,573 --> 00:14:41,333 Speaker 5: and so on and played very well towards the end 240 00:14:41,413 --> 00:14:43,933 Speaker 5: of his sixty odd runs that he had that partnership 241 00:14:43,933 --> 00:14:45,893 Speaker 5: of one hundred and thirty odd with the Ravendra. 242 00:14:46,293 --> 00:14:49,253 Speaker 6: So that was it because our middle order failed. 243 00:14:49,453 --> 00:14:56,613 Speaker 5: Was that started the second morning, Mitchell, Blundell, Henry, you 244 00:14:56,653 --> 00:15:00,253 Speaker 5: know they all actually got starts but couldn't go on 245 00:15:01,013 --> 00:15:04,253 Speaker 5: when New Zealand wanted them to. This match was it 246 00:15:04,333 --> 00:15:07,973 Speaker 5: was a lovely test match in terms of someone getting 247 00:15:08,013 --> 00:15:11,893 Speaker 5: on top. Then a corner would arrive, a chicane you know, 248 00:15:11,973 --> 00:15:14,693 Speaker 5: would arrive and you go round a corner and then 249 00:15:14,733 --> 00:15:17,093 Speaker 5: suddenly one team would pick it up again. New Zealand 250 00:15:17,093 --> 00:15:19,653 Speaker 5: getting four hundred and two and getting a lead. Then 251 00:15:19,773 --> 00:15:24,293 Speaker 5: suddenly India say no, no, my boys, We're going to 252 00:15:24,333 --> 00:15:26,973 Speaker 5: come at you like a rocket and New Zealand struggle. 253 00:15:28,053 --> 00:15:31,333 Speaker 5: If they'd have got another eighty or ninety runs, would 254 00:15:31,333 --> 00:15:33,453 Speaker 5: have been an interesting game, wouldn't it. 255 00:15:33,653 --> 00:15:35,493 Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have been a challenge and a half. 256 00:15:35,653 --> 00:15:38,373 Speaker 4: We've talked in the past about New Zealand's fielding and 257 00:15:38,413 --> 00:15:42,373 Speaker 4: it's below standard in many of the tests of recent times. 258 00:15:42,533 --> 00:15:44,773 Speaker 4: I don't think we could be a critical of their 259 00:15:44,813 --> 00:15:48,573 Speaker 4: fielding and the catches they took in that first innings 260 00:15:48,573 --> 00:15:53,213 Speaker 4: in particular after they'd lifted their game quite dramatically from 261 00:15:53,213 --> 00:15:54,293 Speaker 4: what we saw in Sri Lanka. 262 00:15:55,013 --> 00:15:57,933 Speaker 2: Came to the shape of the game, Brian Frankly, you 263 00:15:58,013 --> 00:16:00,173 Speaker 2: pull off a couple of those catches and all of 264 00:16:00,213 --> 00:16:03,613 Speaker 2: a sudden you're three for not many many and the 265 00:16:03,653 --> 00:16:07,933 Speaker 2: pressures coming on and supported by catching, there's no question 266 00:16:07,973 --> 00:16:11,333 Speaker 2: about that. And the ball was hooping around. 267 00:16:12,053 --> 00:16:16,093 Speaker 5: No, well, it was New Zealand conditions, wasn't it really? 268 00:16:16,573 --> 00:16:21,813 Speaker 5: And quite good ones. It was grippy, and you know 269 00:16:22,053 --> 00:16:25,853 Speaker 5: the catching. Phillip's diving forward, wide leg slipped Coley goodbye, 270 00:16:26,733 --> 00:16:30,453 Speaker 5: Conway hunting in for a single, got a bit close, 271 00:16:31,453 --> 00:16:35,573 Speaker 5: an attempted cloth dry from sufferers, diving away to his 272 00:16:35,693 --> 00:16:38,333 Speaker 5: right and the ball behind him one hand, good catch, 273 00:16:38,813 --> 00:16:45,013 Speaker 5: Fortell backward point low catch smashed by Jasewell Court two 274 00:16:45,133 --> 00:16:48,573 Speaker 5: handed Henry. After bowling that long goes to fine lead. 275 00:16:49,493 --> 00:16:52,573 Speaker 5: A hook goes up from Boomra and he runs thirty 276 00:16:52,573 --> 00:16:54,613 Speaker 5: five yards and sprawls on the ground and takes a 277 00:16:54,653 --> 00:16:58,253 Speaker 5: two handed catch. Brilliant Bracewell just coming onto the field, 278 00:16:58,293 --> 00:17:01,973 Speaker 5: hasn't been on long in the gully, left handed, one 279 00:17:02,013 --> 00:17:06,373 Speaker 5: hand catch. To finish the inning of cooldeep. So those 280 00:17:06,453 --> 00:17:09,813 Speaker 5: are examples of the way that you need to catch 281 00:17:09,813 --> 00:17:12,413 Speaker 5: an international cricket to get yourselves in a good position. 282 00:17:13,773 --> 00:17:16,933 Speaker 4: One of the points that disappointed me in the second 283 00:17:16,933 --> 00:17:22,133 Speaker 4: innings was the length of the bowling, particularly to Saffras, 284 00:17:22,173 --> 00:17:23,933 Speaker 4: who was allowed to play on the back foot, and 285 00:17:23,973 --> 00:17:27,053 Speaker 4: he quite clearly liked playing on the back foot. And 286 00:17:27,453 --> 00:17:30,373 Speaker 4: if they ever removed third man or backward point from 287 00:17:30,413 --> 00:17:33,133 Speaker 4: the field to play, he'll get no runs. He scored 288 00:17:33,253 --> 00:17:35,573 Speaker 4: half his runs in that area of the ground and 289 00:17:35,613 --> 00:17:37,333 Speaker 4: he was fed the opportunity, wasn't he. 290 00:17:37,613 --> 00:17:41,133 Speaker 2: I think actually with dear and I have spoken about 291 00:17:41,213 --> 00:17:45,133 Speaker 2: him one. I think he's interesting, so we share. We 292 00:17:45,133 --> 00:17:49,253 Speaker 2: say quirky is that the right word? Inventive player? And 293 00:17:49,333 --> 00:17:54,053 Speaker 2: I suspect that New Zealand probably didn't quite know what 294 00:17:54,093 --> 00:17:55,933 Speaker 2: they were coming up again, so they'll need to adjust. 295 00:17:55,973 --> 00:17:59,453 Speaker 2: And I think you're right there, Brian, you take that 296 00:17:59,533 --> 00:18:01,533 Speaker 2: shot out with a short third man and all that 297 00:18:01,573 --> 00:18:05,573 Speaker 2: type of thing. But that was a fabulous innings. I've 298 00:18:05,613 --> 00:18:08,613 Speaker 2: got to say I enjoyed watching that, watching him and 299 00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:12,333 Speaker 2: play with such inventiveness, because hard to set a field 300 00:18:12,333 --> 00:18:18,053 Speaker 2: to very much, and he and scores at pace and 301 00:18:18,173 --> 00:18:21,413 Speaker 2: interesting when you're listening to the commentators that he apparently 302 00:18:21,413 --> 00:18:26,373 Speaker 2: he scored truckloads of runs and domestic cricket and has 303 00:18:26,413 --> 00:18:30,253 Speaker 2: earnt his way there. And I just think, breath the 304 00:18:30,253 --> 00:18:33,173 Speaker 2: fresh air and quite wonderful. Interesting to see what Indy 305 00:18:33,253 --> 00:18:37,013 Speaker 2: will do because I think he was replacing Gil and 306 00:18:37,053 --> 00:18:41,253 Speaker 2: what what will happen now, Because when you've just gone 307 00:18:41,253 --> 00:18:45,053 Speaker 2: out and smashed one hundred and fifty, it's pretty hard 308 00:18:45,053 --> 00:18:47,693 Speaker 2: to drop you for Schuvar and Gil. Fine player though 309 00:18:47,693 --> 00:18:50,973 Speaker 2: Gill is I will wait with interest. 310 00:18:51,653 --> 00:18:54,213 Speaker 5: Interesting in Puno, which might turn a little bit more 311 00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:58,053 Speaker 5: than this test. But you're right unconventional was wasn't He 312 00:18:59,533 --> 00:19:03,333 Speaker 5: looks like a little small, muscular street fighter like old 313 00:19:03,413 --> 00:19:08,293 Speaker 5: jar of me and Dad when we played great hand 314 00:19:08,413 --> 00:19:13,413 Speaker 5: die coordination. You're right, only two runs down in what 315 00:19:13,453 --> 00:19:16,253 Speaker 5: we would call the v long off and long on. 316 00:19:16,733 --> 00:19:18,453 Speaker 5: So we did bowl a bit short, and we bowled 317 00:19:18,453 --> 00:19:22,013 Speaker 5: certainly a bit wide, but we didn't react a to 318 00:19:22,093 --> 00:19:25,493 Speaker 5: the bowlers, our bowlers changing things a bit and b 319 00:19:26,493 --> 00:19:29,653 Speaker 5: the captain setting more. You might need two third men, 320 00:19:30,573 --> 00:19:32,973 Speaker 5: you know. We need to be able to react quickly 321 00:19:33,413 --> 00:19:36,013 Speaker 5: to someone like a suffaras I think we just can't 322 00:19:36,093 --> 00:19:39,133 Speaker 5: keep going the way we are when it's not working. 323 00:19:39,573 --> 00:19:43,053 Speaker 5: So I'm interested to see how someone like Sapparas goes 324 00:19:43,093 --> 00:19:45,493 Speaker 5: in South Africa, where it's a bit more spicy to pitch, 325 00:19:46,173 --> 00:19:49,693 Speaker 5: or New Zealand and England where it is greener, and 326 00:19:49,693 --> 00:19:51,893 Speaker 5: perhaps Australia where there's a bit more bounce, although that 327 00:19:51,973 --> 00:19:54,333 Speaker 5: might suit him as well. He likes bounce, but he's 328 00:19:54,333 --> 00:19:56,613 Speaker 5: obviously got a hell of a good hand eye coordination. 329 00:19:57,853 --> 00:20:00,253 Speaker 4: You mentioned Toune, we don't know too much about it. 330 00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:02,813 Speaker 4: You mentioned the possibility of spin. Does that mean New 331 00:20:02,853 --> 00:20:05,173 Speaker 4: Zealand has to make a change or do you go 332 00:20:05,253 --> 00:20:06,493 Speaker 4: in with the same side. 333 00:20:08,773 --> 00:20:11,853 Speaker 2: I think you've still got to go in with three 334 00:20:12,253 --> 00:20:17,053 Speaker 2: quicker bowlers because I think that's what we're better at. 335 00:20:17,933 --> 00:20:21,093 Speaker 2: Question whether that is South I think it will be 336 00:20:21,173 --> 00:20:23,493 Speaker 2: now because of his success in his last test, but 337 00:20:23,533 --> 00:20:26,373 Speaker 2: I think there's no question that it's Henry and O'Rourke. 338 00:20:27,333 --> 00:20:29,413 Speaker 2: We hadn't really touched Oraq because I don't think you 339 00:20:29,493 --> 00:20:31,853 Speaker 2: need to. It was just such a fabulous performance on 340 00:20:31,933 --> 00:20:35,133 Speaker 2: both in the in both innings. 341 00:20:35,613 --> 00:20:36,533 Speaker 4: But I. 342 00:20:38,093 --> 00:20:39,133 Speaker 6: Don't think we have a choice. 343 00:20:39,373 --> 00:20:42,693 Speaker 2: I think we still need to go in with Patel 344 00:20:43,013 --> 00:20:45,293 Speaker 2: and I guess the alternative is Phillips because brace Will 345 00:20:45,373 --> 00:20:45,813 Speaker 2: gone home. 346 00:20:46,573 --> 00:20:50,213 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's the first point. We have reduced our 347 00:20:50,293 --> 00:20:55,173 Speaker 5: spin options by Bracewall going home. It's the first thing. 348 00:20:55,573 --> 00:20:58,413 Speaker 5: And I think he's probably our biggest spinner of a ball. 349 00:21:00,053 --> 00:21:02,253 Speaker 5: I think that there are left handers in their order 350 00:21:02,333 --> 00:21:05,373 Speaker 5: which would suit him as well. I think he offers 351 00:21:05,413 --> 00:21:07,973 Speaker 5: some other aspects that we haven't got from some of 352 00:21:07,973 --> 00:21:11,093 Speaker 5: the other spin is like very good catching and also 353 00:21:11,933 --> 00:21:14,293 Speaker 5: you know at number eight, I think he offers that 354 00:21:14,333 --> 00:21:16,733 Speaker 5: and gives a little bit little the option there is 355 00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:19,933 Speaker 5: for you know, getting some runs. The second thing is 356 00:21:20,133 --> 00:21:26,653 Speaker 5: Sody who's going over hasn't played, hasn't played, and that 357 00:21:26,733 --> 00:21:30,333 Speaker 5: counts for a lot as we know. Secondly, Santna, we've 358 00:21:30,373 --> 00:21:33,333 Speaker 5: seen how he goes and conditions where it turns. He's 359 00:21:33,373 --> 00:21:37,973 Speaker 5: not really much a great wicket taker. So I think 360 00:21:38,013 --> 00:21:42,253 Speaker 5: our third seema you're going to get more bowling and 361 00:21:42,333 --> 00:21:45,373 Speaker 5: more pressure created if you set the right fields to 362 00:21:45,453 --> 00:21:49,173 Speaker 5: a SOUVII than you are to a spinner. And I 363 00:21:49,213 --> 00:21:52,013 Speaker 5: know it'll sound a bit odd because we've we've been 364 00:21:52,053 --> 00:21:55,173 Speaker 5: a wee bit critical of Saudi, but you know, I 365 00:21:55,173 --> 00:21:59,453 Speaker 5: think that gives us a stronger attack, more reliable attack 366 00:21:59,893 --> 00:22:03,773 Speaker 5: than going in with two spinners plus as we did, 367 00:22:03,893 --> 00:22:05,413 Speaker 5: as we did in Sri Lanka. 368 00:22:05,653 --> 00:22:09,373 Speaker 1: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Cooney, Yes, on the front foot. 369 00:22:09,653 --> 00:22:13,493 Speaker 4: You know, it's hard to decide which achievement rates highest, 370 00:22:13,493 --> 00:22:16,733 Speaker 4: to win over India in India or a World T 371 00:22:16,733 --> 00:22:19,533 Speaker 4: twenty title for the women. Is it fair to give 372 00:22:19,573 --> 00:22:22,733 Speaker 4: them equal significance To be able to celebrate two great 373 00:22:22,773 --> 00:22:26,253 Speaker 4: moments one day. I mean it makes it more enjoyable. 374 00:22:26,853 --> 00:22:31,093 Speaker 4: Is one event or one achievement more important than the other, because. 375 00:22:30,853 --> 00:22:34,253 Speaker 5: For me, no question, And I think I know where 376 00:22:34,253 --> 00:22:38,093 Speaker 5: Iland T twenty world it's a World Cup, it's a 377 00:22:38,133 --> 00:22:40,213 Speaker 5: World Cup, and they've struggled and. 378 00:22:40,173 --> 00:22:45,053 Speaker 2: Where they've come from and where I think everyone's expectations were. 379 00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:50,933 Speaker 2: It is a phenomenal achievement and wonderful that they've been 380 00:22:50,973 --> 00:22:53,773 Speaker 2: able to pull this off of fabulous and you could 381 00:22:53,813 --> 00:22:57,493 Speaker 2: see growth in the team in the period of the tournament, 382 00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:01,333 Speaker 2: the win over South Africa and the lead up games 383 00:23:02,173 --> 00:23:05,173 Speaker 2: and the development. They seem to be better organized, They 384 00:23:05,173 --> 00:23:07,293 Speaker 2: seem to know what they wanted to do, like batting 385 00:23:07,333 --> 00:23:10,613 Speaker 2: first seemed to be working for them, I think, no question. 386 00:23:11,253 --> 00:23:13,613 Speaker 2: Despite the fact that the win in India in the 387 00:23:13,653 --> 00:23:18,933 Speaker 2: Test match is phenomenal. The Women's World Cup twenty twenty 388 00:23:19,013 --> 00:23:22,973 Speaker 2: when is a great thing for cricket and particularly the 389 00:23:22,973 --> 00:23:23,733 Speaker 2: women's cricket. 390 00:23:24,013 --> 00:23:27,493 Speaker 5: If New Zealand had still been in the World Test 391 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:30,973 Speaker 5: Championship wards and in the game, you know what I mean, 392 00:23:31,173 --> 00:23:36,573 Speaker 5: still there challenging. You might put it closer because it 393 00:23:36,613 --> 00:23:41,173 Speaker 5: was necessary and because it was in India. But New 394 00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:44,133 Speaker 5: Zealand are out of it, and so I think the 395 00:23:44,173 --> 00:23:48,293 Speaker 5: World Cup for me, I take Moose's point about the 396 00:23:48,333 --> 00:23:52,173 Speaker 5: batting and the structure and the way they played. I 397 00:23:52,173 --> 00:23:59,253 Speaker 5: think the development of players like Plimmer, like Carson, like 398 00:23:59,373 --> 00:24:03,573 Speaker 5: Jonas and Gays. You've suddenly got four young players. They're 399 00:24:03,653 --> 00:24:07,493 Speaker 5: making contributions right throughout that. The build up of the 400 00:24:07,573 --> 00:24:10,893 Speaker 5: you know, in the game throughout the tournament, Kerr of 401 00:24:10,973 --> 00:24:15,973 Speaker 5: course continued and you know that the older players, the 402 00:24:16,053 --> 00:24:21,653 Speaker 5: grandmothers as they refer to them, had had moments, didn't 403 00:24:21,693 --> 00:24:26,333 Speaker 5: they divine Playing against India, Kerr picking up wickets throughout 404 00:24:26,413 --> 00:24:32,013 Speaker 5: and getting runs in the final, I think Mayor coming 405 00:24:32,093 --> 00:24:35,813 Speaker 5: back and introducing him. I saw that last final, for example, 406 00:24:35,853 --> 00:24:39,733 Speaker 5: as the New Zealand bowlers versus the top order of 407 00:24:39,773 --> 00:24:42,333 Speaker 5: the South Africans because they won by seven wickets, eight 408 00:24:42,333 --> 00:24:45,373 Speaker 5: wickets and two wickets in their lead up to this match, 409 00:24:45,773 --> 00:24:51,653 Speaker 5: beating Ossie by eight wickets Volpart Brits, Bosh, those people 410 00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:56,653 Speaker 5: you know, and then perhaps Marian Cup. They can play well. 411 00:24:56,973 --> 00:25:00,533 Speaker 5: So it was our bowlers against them and we held 412 00:25:00,573 --> 00:25:03,613 Speaker 5: catchers as well. So you know, well done the women, 413 00:25:03,893 --> 00:25:04,853 Speaker 5: very well done. 414 00:25:04,693 --> 00:25:10,173 Speaker 2: And ameliacur Wold, Fart and Bosh, who were the dominant 415 00:25:10,213 --> 00:25:14,613 Speaker 2: players against Australia. Her contribution was was fabulous. 416 00:25:15,013 --> 00:25:17,053 Speaker 4: Time for a little bit of honesty from us. 417 00:25:17,133 --> 00:25:17,293 Speaker 3: All. 418 00:25:17,653 --> 00:25:19,333 Speaker 4: I didn't go to the t B and back New 419 00:25:19,413 --> 00:25:21,573 Speaker 4: Zealand and either event last week, did you. 420 00:25:22,333 --> 00:25:23,613 Speaker 6: Well, I'm not a gambler, so. 421 00:25:24,333 --> 00:25:26,853 Speaker 2: I don't mind it, but I didn't like the odds 422 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:30,093 Speaker 2: because I wouldn't have I wouldn't have given either. 423 00:25:30,693 --> 00:25:32,653 Speaker 5: No, I'm with you once too. I think I think, well, 424 00:25:32,893 --> 00:25:35,613 Speaker 5: I think quite a few. We wouldn't have been alone. 425 00:25:38,253 --> 00:25:38,813 Speaker 7: From the team. 426 00:25:38,893 --> 00:25:42,733 Speaker 4: The emotions were obvious after the game. Straight after the match, 427 00:25:42,853 --> 00:25:46,253 Speaker 4: player of the tournament Melia Kerhr, revealed it wasn't achieved 428 00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:48,493 Speaker 4: without the obvious sweat and toil. 429 00:25:48,973 --> 00:25:52,693 Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously I was probably struggling a little bit out 430 00:25:52,693 --> 00:25:55,933 Speaker 8: there whilst betting, and it was hot. I went through 431 00:25:55,933 --> 00:25:58,493 Speaker 8: about ten pairs of gloves, so I sweating a lot, 432 00:25:58,533 --> 00:26:02,213 Speaker 8: and yeah, when I came off, had a nice bath 433 00:26:02,253 --> 00:26:04,333 Speaker 8: and then got out on the field and sprinted for 434 00:26:04,373 --> 00:26:07,973 Speaker 8: one and felt my carf almost go and cramp up. 435 00:26:08,053 --> 00:26:10,933 Speaker 8: And then I bowled my first ball and the same 436 00:26:11,053 --> 00:26:16,773 Speaker 8: feeling kind of happened, so thankfully I then stayed in 437 00:26:16,813 --> 00:26:18,773 Speaker 8: the ring and didn't need a field on the boundary 438 00:26:18,813 --> 00:26:21,893 Speaker 8: where I normally do, and bowling was just getting through 439 00:26:21,893 --> 00:26:25,213 Speaker 8: the crease. I probably didn't put as much energy through 440 00:26:25,253 --> 00:26:28,853 Speaker 8: the crease as I would have liked, but still managed 441 00:26:28,893 --> 00:26:29,613 Speaker 8: to get through. 442 00:26:30,093 --> 00:26:33,133 Speaker 4: Yeah, she certainly struggled quite clearly, and for Kurt and 443 00:26:33,173 --> 00:26:35,733 Speaker 4: the captain Sophie Divine, there was some extra motivation. 444 00:26:36,253 --> 00:26:40,373 Speaker 8: I was inspired to be a white fern watching that 445 00:26:40,413 --> 00:26:45,053 Speaker 8: twenty ten World cart which Sophie was at, and from 446 00:26:45,053 --> 00:26:47,173 Speaker 8: that moment I was at the nets with my dad 447 00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:51,733 Speaker 8: pretending I was batting with Sophie and Susie. And I 448 00:26:51,773 --> 00:26:55,053 Speaker 8: like being in the team so young and playing with 449 00:26:55,093 --> 00:26:57,013 Speaker 8: my role models who have been so good to me, 450 00:26:58,413 --> 00:27:02,653 Speaker 8: and two of New Zealand's greatest ever cricketers. I don't 451 00:27:02,693 --> 00:27:06,533 Speaker 8: necessarily believe you deserve things in sport, but if any 452 00:27:06,573 --> 00:27:10,013 Speaker 8: two people do, it's Sophie and Sue. And I just 453 00:27:10,053 --> 00:27:13,613 Speaker 8: think back to myself as a kid that was batting 454 00:27:13,613 --> 00:27:16,373 Speaker 8: with Sophie and Susie in the nets, and like when 455 00:27:16,373 --> 00:27:18,853 Speaker 8: I was at primary school and creative writing, I wrote 456 00:27:18,853 --> 00:27:21,493 Speaker 8: about winning a World Cup with Sophie and Susie and 457 00:27:22,093 --> 00:27:26,053 Speaker 8: so to be here now having done that, I think 458 00:27:26,093 --> 00:27:28,573 Speaker 8: that's probably why I was so emotional out on the 459 00:27:28,573 --> 00:27:32,653 Speaker 8: field in the moment, and yeah, something that's so special 460 00:27:32,733 --> 00:27:35,573 Speaker 8: when I think back to my younger self and to 461 00:27:35,693 --> 00:27:37,373 Speaker 8: be here now and to do it with two of 462 00:27:37,453 --> 00:27:38,373 Speaker 8: these eland's best ever. 463 00:27:39,053 --> 00:27:41,733 Speaker 7: I just hope that it instills belief and confidence in 464 00:27:41,773 --> 00:27:43,813 Speaker 7: these young ones. I think we've seen over the last 465 00:27:43,893 --> 00:27:47,613 Speaker 7: three or four weeks their confidence grow, and as a leader, 466 00:27:47,653 --> 00:27:49,733 Speaker 7: that's what you want is to see that growth. And 467 00:27:50,413 --> 00:27:52,213 Speaker 7: I know we've sort of joked about being grandmas and 468 00:27:52,293 --> 00:27:54,493 Speaker 7: mums and whatnot, but it really is. You feel a 469 00:27:54,533 --> 00:27:57,533 Speaker 7: real sense of pride and seeing them stand up and 470 00:27:57,693 --> 00:28:00,533 Speaker 7: take opportunities and to take moments and like merely today 471 00:28:00,653 --> 00:28:04,053 Speaker 7: was unbelievable, Like what you're able to achieve out there 472 00:28:04,213 --> 00:28:09,453 Speaker 7: is pretty bloody cool. So yeah, from us to be 473 00:28:09,493 --> 00:28:12,013 Speaker 7: able to win it, it is it's just nice to 474 00:28:12,013 --> 00:28:13,813 Speaker 7: have there. I think it's always something that you want 475 00:28:14,253 --> 00:28:16,173 Speaker 7: want to have when you finish your I'm not retiring, 476 00:28:16,213 --> 00:28:19,973 Speaker 7: by the way, just putting that out there, but yeah, 477 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,213 Speaker 7: to be able to say that you're a World Cup 478 00:28:22,253 --> 00:28:25,293 Speaker 7: winner is something that's, yeah, is really special and to 479 00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:26,773 Speaker 7: be able to share it with this group of players, 480 00:28:27,213 --> 00:28:28,893 Speaker 7: it's obviously something that you hold onto the rest of 481 00:28:28,933 --> 00:28:32,093 Speaker 7: your career. Oh. I think the coaching staff don't get 482 00:28:32,173 --> 00:28:34,133 Speaker 7: enough credit. They're probably the first ones to get absolutely 483 00:28:34,173 --> 00:28:39,013 Speaker 7: slammed by you know, critics, media outsiders, and they get 484 00:28:39,053 --> 00:28:42,013 Speaker 7: forgotten when a team wins. But they have been outstanding. 485 00:28:42,013 --> 00:28:44,053 Speaker 7: They've stood with every single one of us players and 486 00:28:44,093 --> 00:28:47,333 Speaker 7: backed us and believed in us, given us the confidence 487 00:28:47,373 --> 00:28:50,773 Speaker 7: to know that they, yeah, that when we play our best, 488 00:28:50,773 --> 00:28:52,293 Speaker 7: when we play the brand of cricket that we want to, 489 00:28:52,893 --> 00:28:55,373 Speaker 7: you can win Will Cups. So the likes have been 490 00:28:56,093 --> 00:28:58,213 Speaker 7: Dean Browne as well, Craig natecviillan who's recently on board, 491 00:28:58,213 --> 00:29:00,693 Speaker 7: Paul Wiseman. But I also think back to you know, 492 00:29:00,733 --> 00:29:03,053 Speaker 7: Craig Howard had a really important role with the spinners 493 00:29:03,253 --> 00:29:05,533 Speaker 7: previous to there. I think about Andre Adams and his 494 00:29:05,653 --> 00:29:08,813 Speaker 7: impact around the group. There's been so much people that 495 00:29:08,853 --> 00:29:10,973 Speaker 7: have come into our environment and have added to it 496 00:29:11,053 --> 00:29:14,213 Speaker 7: and have helped this team grow that to be able 497 00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:16,773 Speaker 7: to I guess sit here with a World Cut trophy, 498 00:29:16,893 --> 00:29:18,853 Speaker 7: it goes to them as well. And everything that they've 499 00:29:18,853 --> 00:29:21,453 Speaker 7: been able to give to the players, to the group's 500 00:29:21,493 --> 00:29:23,573 Speaker 7: New Zealand cricket as well. I think so much has 501 00:29:23,613 --> 00:29:25,333 Speaker 7: to go to them. Obviously we're the ones that do 502 00:29:25,373 --> 00:29:27,533 Speaker 7: it out on the park, but the hours that they spend, 503 00:29:28,493 --> 00:29:33,973 Speaker 7: you know, toiling away, planning, preparing players. Yeah, they really 504 00:29:33,973 --> 00:29:36,133 Speaker 7: are the unsung heroes and so much credit has to 505 00:29:36,173 --> 00:29:36,573 Speaker 7: go to them. 506 00:29:38,053 --> 00:29:41,213 Speaker 4: And I know one person who would have enjoyed it, 507 00:29:41,653 --> 00:29:43,493 Speaker 4: former White fern Kirsty Bond. 508 00:29:44,533 --> 00:29:47,613 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I mean how good was that? I mean 509 00:29:48,733 --> 00:29:51,453 Speaker 3: I had to pinch myself actually at one stage, and 510 00:29:52,413 --> 00:29:55,413 Speaker 3: you know, I was just couldn't believe I was watching 511 00:29:55,453 --> 00:29:58,733 Speaker 3: the same team, to be honest, Just so many good 512 00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:03,613 Speaker 3: things that happened in that match that just may really 513 00:30:03,693 --> 00:30:07,373 Speaker 3: warmed the heart around everything that we've been talking about 514 00:30:07,453 --> 00:30:09,973 Speaker 3: with the White fans. To see it come together like 515 00:30:10,013 --> 00:30:13,613 Speaker 3: that on a big stage, was just, you know, something 516 00:30:13,653 --> 00:30:16,733 Speaker 3: really special. So, you know, I know they've had a 517 00:30:16,733 --> 00:30:19,493 Speaker 3: lot of critics in the last few years, and I'll 518 00:30:19,613 --> 00:30:21,333 Speaker 3: certainly put my hand up and say that I've been 519 00:30:21,373 --> 00:30:24,733 Speaker 3: one of them. Just to see, you know, the way 520 00:30:25,253 --> 00:30:28,893 Speaker 3: those players stood up last night was just unbelievably great. 521 00:30:29,013 --> 00:30:32,373 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, a huge congratulations to them. It's 522 00:30:32,453 --> 00:30:33,133 Speaker 3: just fantastic. 523 00:30:34,013 --> 00:30:36,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, and it'll be a lucrative time for them 524 00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:38,573 Speaker 4: as well. They're going to pick up something like two 525 00:30:38,613 --> 00:30:42,533 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand plus each player, and that's good 526 00:30:42,573 --> 00:30:47,853 Speaker 4: for the women's game as well. You talk about the criticism, 527 00:30:48,053 --> 00:30:50,533 Speaker 4: I think some of it was justified to some extent, 528 00:30:50,613 --> 00:30:54,333 Speaker 4: and they picked a tough program, didn't they against Australia 529 00:30:54,373 --> 00:30:56,853 Speaker 4: and England. But I guess we've also got to say 530 00:30:57,373 --> 00:30:59,213 Speaker 4: it may have started to bear some fruit. 531 00:30:59,773 --> 00:31:03,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know, like I, you know, yes, 532 00:31:03,693 --> 00:31:05,733 Speaker 3: I've been critical. I know a lot of others have 533 00:31:05,813 --> 00:31:11,013 Speaker 3: as well, and I think, you know, as Kiwi as 534 00:31:11,053 --> 00:31:13,293 Speaker 3: we do expect a lot of our of our athletes. 535 00:31:13,813 --> 00:31:15,933 Speaker 3: And to be fair, I think you know a lot 536 00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:18,373 Speaker 3: of my calls were you know, in regards to the 537 00:31:18,413 --> 00:31:22,493 Speaker 3: team was really around the senior players, and then you know, 538 00:31:22,573 --> 00:31:25,213 Speaker 3: standing up and leading from the front and performing on 539 00:31:25,253 --> 00:31:28,893 Speaker 3: a consistent basis. Really, you know, I've always said that 540 00:31:28,893 --> 00:31:31,973 Speaker 3: that that is, you know, the most important things that 541 00:31:32,013 --> 00:31:33,853 Speaker 3: your senior players have got to lead from the front. 542 00:31:33,893 --> 00:31:36,453 Speaker 3: And if if you get some of your younger players, 543 00:31:36,893 --> 00:31:39,093 Speaker 3: you know, contributing here and there, well that that's a 544 00:31:39,133 --> 00:31:42,013 Speaker 3: real bonus. But you know, the thing that was so 545 00:31:42,133 --> 00:31:45,853 Speaker 3: exciting about the World Cup this time around was that 546 00:31:45,933 --> 00:31:49,053 Speaker 3: we did see some of our young players like Carson, 547 00:31:49,733 --> 00:31:54,733 Speaker 3: like Plimmer really starting to show their talent, which you 548 00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:57,533 Speaker 3: know that that in itself just is so exciting for 549 00:31:57,573 --> 00:32:01,053 Speaker 3: the future. And I have to say, you know, Georgia Plimmer, 550 00:32:01,373 --> 00:32:04,653 Speaker 3: like that, what a star that girl is going to be, 551 00:32:04,653 --> 00:32:08,333 Speaker 3: because man, she's had a tough time, a really tough time, 552 00:32:08,933 --> 00:32:13,333 Speaker 3: and she obviously has hung in there and kept believing. 553 00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:17,133 Speaker 3: And you know, I had my doubts about her opening 554 00:32:17,213 --> 00:32:19,973 Speaker 3: the batting and the pressure that was on her. Man, 555 00:32:20,053 --> 00:32:22,293 Speaker 3: she really stood up in this World Cup and all 556 00:32:22,333 --> 00:32:22,973 Speaker 3: credit to her. 557 00:32:23,813 --> 00:32:25,973 Speaker 4: Yes, I think You've been one who's in the past 558 00:32:26,053 --> 00:32:28,653 Speaker 4: have said that we have to have the focus on 559 00:32:29,493 --> 00:32:33,133 Speaker 4: youth and a matter of patience, and there has been 560 00:32:33,173 --> 00:32:36,613 Speaker 4: patients with glimmer with the spin ballers, I thought have 561 00:32:36,733 --> 00:32:43,253 Speaker 4: really shown their true abilities, Carson and fran Jonas, and 562 00:32:43,453 --> 00:32:46,173 Speaker 4: you know, it's been a tough road for them, and 563 00:32:46,213 --> 00:32:49,213 Speaker 4: the fact that they've held together has been pretty important 564 00:32:49,373 --> 00:32:52,853 Speaker 4: because it's a tough world and when you are being criticized, 565 00:32:53,573 --> 00:32:55,853 Speaker 4: you've got to look for some positives and sometimes they're 566 00:32:55,933 --> 00:32:56,973 Speaker 4: very hard to find. 567 00:32:57,093 --> 00:33:00,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they can be and you know, and that's 568 00:33:00,133 --> 00:33:03,613 Speaker 3: never easy when you're a young player and you know 569 00:33:03,733 --> 00:33:06,213 Speaker 3: you're trying to find your feet in the international game. 570 00:33:06,253 --> 00:33:10,893 Speaker 3: And I've I've always said that, you know, we cannot 571 00:33:10,893 --> 00:33:13,493 Speaker 3: point the finger at our young players that are in 572 00:33:13,533 --> 00:33:16,693 Speaker 3: that team because they have It's not their fault that 573 00:33:16,693 --> 00:33:20,973 Speaker 3: they've found themselves there at such an early stage of 574 00:33:21,013 --> 00:33:24,933 Speaker 3: their careers. And I think, you know, they obviously, you know, 575 00:33:25,013 --> 00:33:27,813 Speaker 3: show a lot of potential and that's why they've been picked. 576 00:33:28,253 --> 00:33:31,973 Speaker 3: But yeah, to see to see that bear fruit over 577 00:33:32,013 --> 00:33:36,013 Speaker 3: this tournament is just really exciting. And you know, we 578 00:33:36,133 --> 00:33:42,133 Speaker 3: are looking at potentially three of our experienced players in 579 00:33:42,173 --> 00:33:46,413 Speaker 3: the Grandmas as they call themselves, divine and Baits and 580 00:33:46,493 --> 00:33:50,253 Speaker 3: to who may well in the not too distant future retire, 581 00:33:50,773 --> 00:33:53,773 Speaker 3: you know, that will leave a massive hole. So you know, 582 00:33:53,853 --> 00:33:56,933 Speaker 3: you have to be thinking if that doesn't inspire our 583 00:33:57,093 --> 00:34:00,493 Speaker 3: young cricketers sixteen seventeen, eighteen year olds around the country 584 00:34:00,813 --> 00:34:03,373 Speaker 3: to want to, you know, work hard and want to 585 00:34:03,413 --> 00:34:06,853 Speaker 3: play the game at an international level, then you wonder 586 00:34:06,893 --> 00:34:10,613 Speaker 3: what would inspire them. I also had to say, Brian, 587 00:34:10,693 --> 00:34:14,573 Speaker 3: I really thought that Brooke Halliday's innings last night was 588 00:34:14,613 --> 00:34:18,213 Speaker 3: a real game changer. And I really thought, you know, 589 00:34:18,253 --> 00:34:20,973 Speaker 3: I know, merely better beautifully for a forty three, but 590 00:34:21,053 --> 00:34:24,813 Speaker 3: I actually have thought all tournament that Mealy almost looked 591 00:34:24,853 --> 00:34:27,813 Speaker 3: like she wasn't batting as well as what you know, 592 00:34:27,893 --> 00:34:30,933 Speaker 3: we know she came back, she looked to be struggling 593 00:34:30,933 --> 00:34:33,373 Speaker 3: a little bit with her timing at times, and I 594 00:34:33,453 --> 00:34:36,493 Speaker 3: thought the way Brook came out last night and and 595 00:34:36,613 --> 00:34:39,333 Speaker 3: really just took the game to her game to the 596 00:34:39,333 --> 00:34:43,373 Speaker 3: South Africans and just took so much pressure of me Lee, 597 00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:45,853 Speaker 3: I really felt like that innings of hers was a 598 00:34:45,893 --> 00:34:47,293 Speaker 3: game changer for us. 599 00:34:48,053 --> 00:34:50,373 Speaker 4: Nicely finished off too by Maddy Green who took runs 600 00:34:50,413 --> 00:34:54,453 Speaker 4: off the last She's a player who's been disappointing in 601 00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:58,173 Speaker 4: terms of her performances of recent times, but they were 602 00:34:58,173 --> 00:35:01,333 Speaker 4: emphatic ones that game and the one against India to 603 00:35:01,373 --> 00:35:04,853 Speaker 4: start the tournament. I think set the scene for them, 604 00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:08,533 Speaker 4: didn't it, because they really took it to India and 605 00:35:08,693 --> 00:35:11,253 Speaker 4: they're a good side, that Indian side they are. 606 00:35:11,493 --> 00:35:14,493 Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean the first game of the tournament, 607 00:35:14,613 --> 00:35:16,853 Speaker 3: last game in the tournament, and you know, some of 608 00:35:17,333 --> 00:35:19,813 Speaker 3: what we saw in between was a little bit mixed. 609 00:35:20,013 --> 00:35:22,973 Speaker 3: I thought we had a fairly average performance against the 610 00:35:23,013 --> 00:35:25,773 Speaker 3: West Indies in the semi final and I think we 611 00:35:25,893 --> 00:35:28,373 Speaker 3: just we were lucky that we came up with against 612 00:35:28,373 --> 00:35:30,773 Speaker 3: the West Indies team that were even more average, to 613 00:35:30,813 --> 00:35:33,813 Speaker 3: be fair. And I know I remember thinking back at 614 00:35:33,813 --> 00:35:36,493 Speaker 3: the time over that game and thinking, gee, if we 615 00:35:36,613 --> 00:35:39,213 Speaker 3: dropped the catchers that we dropped in that game against 616 00:35:39,253 --> 00:35:43,293 Speaker 3: the West Indy's and the final, then we really, you know, 617 00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:47,253 Speaker 3: that's really going to be something that will be pretty 618 00:35:47,253 --> 00:35:49,693 Speaker 3: hard to come back from. But you know, last night, 619 00:35:49,773 --> 00:35:53,573 Speaker 3: the composure in the fielding I thought was absolutely superb. 620 00:35:54,773 --> 00:35:57,093 Speaker 4: Indeed, and drop catches were a problem. There must have 621 00:35:57,093 --> 00:35:59,453 Speaker 4: been the lights I think that created that issue for 622 00:35:59,533 --> 00:36:02,653 Speaker 4: all sides. New Zealand was one of the better catching sides. 623 00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:09,093 Speaker 4: In terms of talking about the preparation. I know Ben 624 00:36:09,133 --> 00:36:11,693 Speaker 4: Sawyer's had a bit to do in terms of developing 625 00:36:11,773 --> 00:36:15,693 Speaker 4: the program, and he's got the compliments that they deserve 626 00:36:15,733 --> 00:36:19,173 Speaker 4: for just wonder how important Craig McMullan has been to 627 00:36:19,573 --> 00:36:23,093 Speaker 4: that team in terms of what he brings the experience, 628 00:36:23,653 --> 00:36:25,933 Speaker 4: the fact that he's been a coach and the men's team, 629 00:36:26,333 --> 00:36:29,013 Speaker 4: what he has brought to that women's team in terms 630 00:36:29,013 --> 00:36:31,413 Speaker 4: of not only what they do on the park, but 631 00:36:31,573 --> 00:36:32,493 Speaker 4: mental attitude. 632 00:36:32,653 --> 00:36:35,173 Speaker 3: Only the players probably could answer that question. You know, 633 00:36:35,493 --> 00:36:38,053 Speaker 3: I did think about that last night too, about where 634 00:36:38,093 --> 00:36:41,013 Speaker 3: the you know, how much of an impact Meccha has had, 635 00:36:41,493 --> 00:36:43,853 Speaker 3: And yeah, I guess we'd have to ask the players 636 00:36:43,853 --> 00:36:46,973 Speaker 3: about that, about how they feel about that. But certainly, 637 00:36:47,013 --> 00:36:49,293 Speaker 3: you know, Mecca would have a huge amount to offer. 638 00:36:50,173 --> 00:36:53,733 Speaker 3: We know that for sure, and I'm sure that he 639 00:36:53,773 --> 00:36:57,173 Speaker 3: has played a huge part and what the girls have 640 00:36:57,213 --> 00:36:58,773 Speaker 3: achieved over this tournament. 641 00:36:59,093 --> 00:37:02,533 Speaker 4: You talk about being prepared for young people to come 642 00:37:02,533 --> 00:37:05,293 Speaker 4: into the game, we've got to provide the programs for 643 00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:07,253 Speaker 4: them they do. It's not just a matter of people say, oh, 644 00:37:07,373 --> 00:37:09,493 Speaker 4: let's go and play cricket. You've got to offer them 645 00:37:09,493 --> 00:37:11,853 Speaker 4: the programs that will want to They'll want to play, 646 00:37:11,853 --> 00:37:12,213 Speaker 4: don't you. 647 00:37:13,413 --> 00:37:18,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and I think there's definitely some some 648 00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:21,773 Speaker 3: good things starting to happen around the country, which is 649 00:37:21,893 --> 00:37:25,853 Speaker 3: which is you know, promising. Whilst it's wonderful to see 650 00:37:25,893 --> 00:37:29,213 Speaker 3: the White fans wint to World Cup, and especially wonderful 651 00:37:29,253 --> 00:37:32,893 Speaker 3: for those, you know, for for Suzi and for the 652 00:37:33,013 --> 00:37:37,733 Speaker 3: Leah and for Sophie in particular, it's really important that 653 00:37:37,733 --> 00:37:42,813 Speaker 3: it doesn't mask what is really happening underneath in our 654 00:37:42,853 --> 00:37:45,893 Speaker 3: game and that you know, it's in a perilous state 655 00:37:46,293 --> 00:37:50,693 Speaker 3: and and it needs, you know, some genuine vision, it 656 00:37:50,773 --> 00:37:56,693 Speaker 3: needs some genuine investment, and I'm really hoping now that 657 00:37:58,013 --> 00:38:00,813 Speaker 3: we'll see that start to happen. And I think if 658 00:38:00,853 --> 00:38:02,773 Speaker 3: you look across the Tasman and I know we don't 659 00:38:02,773 --> 00:38:04,653 Speaker 3: have the money that Australia has, but if you look 660 00:38:04,693 --> 00:38:08,253 Speaker 3: across the Testment at the way that Australian cricket to 661 00:38:08,413 --> 00:38:11,573 Speaker 3: a punt on the women and invested in the game there, 662 00:38:11,733 --> 00:38:14,933 Speaker 3: and it's it's paid off in bucket loads for them. 663 00:38:15,573 --> 00:38:19,053 Speaker 3: And I've always maintained that we have the talent, we 664 00:38:19,373 --> 00:38:23,093 Speaker 3: just need to provide the opportunities, the pathways, the structures 665 00:38:23,413 --> 00:38:26,653 Speaker 3: so that that talent can be developed. And that's what 666 00:38:26,693 --> 00:38:28,613 Speaker 3: I've always said about those young players and the white 667 00:38:28,613 --> 00:38:31,893 Speaker 3: funds at the moment that you know, when they were 668 00:38:31,893 --> 00:38:36,333 Speaker 3: being criticized that actually it's it's really not their fault 669 00:38:36,373 --> 00:38:39,453 Speaker 3: that they've found themselves in this position because they haven't 670 00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:42,453 Speaker 3: had the opportunities to have their game developed in the 671 00:38:42,493 --> 00:38:44,973 Speaker 3: way that it should have been prior to making the 672 00:38:44,973 --> 00:38:47,653 Speaker 3: white you know, being selected in the white fans. 673 00:38:48,013 --> 00:38:50,853 Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been on the front line right the way through, 674 00:38:50,893 --> 00:38:53,973 Speaker 4: haven't they. England too, have so good programs that developed 675 00:38:54,013 --> 00:38:58,133 Speaker 4: their players. It's a great though, guesty that the emphasis 676 00:38:58,373 --> 00:39:00,573 Speaker 4: on the white fans of the women's game at a 677 00:39:00,613 --> 00:39:03,533 Speaker 4: time when New Zealand have recorded one of their best 678 00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:08,253 Speaker 4: Test victories in men's cricket and the women have taken them. 679 00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:10,173 Speaker 5: Yeah. 680 00:39:10,613 --> 00:39:13,853 Speaker 3: But you know it was great weekend, wasn't it. I mean, 681 00:39:14,053 --> 00:39:16,853 Speaker 3: what had a fantastic achievement by the Black Cats to 682 00:39:17,173 --> 00:39:19,653 Speaker 3: want a test in India? You know, I think was 683 00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:23,133 Speaker 3: it the first time in thirty six years or something 684 00:39:23,213 --> 00:39:25,573 Speaker 3: like that? A long time anyway. 685 00:39:25,733 --> 00:39:28,013 Speaker 4: I don't mentioned that time because I was there thirty 686 00:39:28,013 --> 00:39:30,213 Speaker 4: six years ago when they won that game. 687 00:39:31,613 --> 00:39:33,213 Speaker 3: There wasn't a game you had to go on the field, 688 00:39:33,293 --> 00:39:33,733 Speaker 3: was it? What? 689 00:39:34,533 --> 00:39:38,253 Speaker 4: No, No, Jeremy Coney did. I didn't get the opportunity. 690 00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:42,333 Speaker 4: I'm forever annoyed about that because they had some clothes 691 00:39:42,373 --> 00:39:44,853 Speaker 4: for me to wear. It I never got on. 692 00:39:46,853 --> 00:39:47,293 Speaker 3: You, was it? 693 00:39:48,013 --> 00:39:49,413 Speaker 4: Yeah? 694 00:39:50,653 --> 00:39:53,493 Speaker 3: There was a fantastic performance. I mean the bowling in 695 00:39:53,533 --> 00:39:57,093 Speaker 3: the first innings was superb and great to see a 696 00:39:57,173 --> 00:40:00,773 Speaker 3: young bowler like willow Walk performed so well. And of 697 00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:04,693 Speaker 3: course Matt Henry Bold superbly. But you know, I mean 698 00:40:04,853 --> 00:40:10,013 Speaker 3: Revendra's one hundred was just sensationized thought. He's just such 699 00:40:10,053 --> 00:40:10,813 Speaker 3: a star as me. 700 00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:14,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's good that our game has those players 701 00:40:14,973 --> 00:40:17,293 Speaker 4: who can step up. When you take a Test match 702 00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:21,973 Speaker 4: without Kane Williamson, you give yourself a bit of a 703 00:40:22,013 --> 00:40:25,613 Speaker 4: handicap because of his abilities, and yet somebody just steps 704 00:40:25,693 --> 00:40:30,853 Speaker 4: up and takes that role, and in the toughest environment India. 705 00:40:31,653 --> 00:40:34,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what it's all about, isn't it. When 706 00:40:34,893 --> 00:40:39,413 Speaker 3: you've got players of that sort of caliber and they're 707 00:40:39,453 --> 00:40:42,933 Speaker 3: able to take those opportunities when they get them, as 708 00:40:43,533 --> 00:40:45,773 Speaker 3: you know Rivendra has. I mean I think back to 709 00:40:45,933 --> 00:40:49,133 Speaker 3: the recent World Cup where he played so beautifully and 710 00:40:49,293 --> 00:40:52,293 Speaker 3: I think, you know what, he got his place really 711 00:40:52,333 --> 00:40:55,853 Speaker 3: because it wasn't someone injured and so he was given 712 00:40:55,853 --> 00:40:59,533 Speaker 3: an opportunity and he came out and lasted one hundred 713 00:40:59,533 --> 00:41:03,093 Speaker 3: in a Swiss game. So yeah, it is. It's so 714 00:41:03,213 --> 00:41:05,893 Speaker 3: good to watch to see those young players take those 715 00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:08,333 Speaker 3: opportunities and really make the most of them, isn't it. 716 00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:10,773 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the pressures on them now, of course. They 717 00:41:10,853 --> 00:41:12,413 Speaker 4: got two more tests and in there, and then they 718 00:41:12,453 --> 00:41:16,533 Speaker 4: come home to play England and one of those games, 719 00:41:16,653 --> 00:41:19,653 Speaker 4: I think the first one is at your home ground, 720 00:41:19,693 --> 00:41:23,613 Speaker 4: so that'll be exciting for you coming up. But you'll 721 00:41:23,613 --> 00:41:24,773 Speaker 4: be still coaching, are you. 722 00:41:25,453 --> 00:41:28,333 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm still going a little bit, you know. I 723 00:41:28,373 --> 00:41:33,613 Speaker 3: really just enjoy working with the young ones and doing 724 00:41:33,653 --> 00:41:35,413 Speaker 3: a few I'm doing a few one on ones at 725 00:41:35,413 --> 00:41:38,733 Speaker 3: the moment with some young players, so I really enjoy that. 726 00:41:38,933 --> 00:41:43,893 Speaker 3: And yeah, earlier in the year, took a young team 727 00:41:44,213 --> 00:41:49,293 Speaker 3: under fifteen sort of unofficial South Island team Revage, to 728 00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:53,693 Speaker 3: a tournament in Dubai, which was absolutely the most fantastic experience. 729 00:41:54,373 --> 00:41:57,533 Speaker 4: Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us, Kirsty. 730 00:41:57,573 --> 00:42:00,493 Speaker 4: It's lovely to talk to you about the women's game 731 00:42:00,773 --> 00:42:04,453 Speaker 4: and I look forward to taking that opportunity later through 732 00:42:04,493 --> 00:42:05,533 Speaker 4: the season if possible. 733 00:42:06,213 --> 00:42:07,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, lovely. Thanks so much, Brian. 734 00:42:08,853 --> 00:42:11,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, nice to hear from Kirsty Bond again. And just 735 00:42:11,933 --> 00:42:14,773 Speaker 4: an important point she made towards the end is it's 736 00:42:14,853 --> 00:42:18,853 Speaker 4: not a given that we will get young women playing cricket. 737 00:42:19,173 --> 00:42:22,493 Speaker 4: We've got to put the programs together whereby they can 738 00:42:22,573 --> 00:42:25,653 Speaker 4: be developed at our top players, the likes that you 739 00:42:25,813 --> 00:42:32,333 Speaker 4: talked about Jerry Plimmer and Carson and fran Jonas am 740 00:42:32,373 --> 00:42:36,173 Speaker 4: not really able to learn the game anywhere other than 741 00:42:36,213 --> 00:42:39,653 Speaker 4: playing internationally, are they They're not getting those opportunities and 742 00:42:39,693 --> 00:42:42,053 Speaker 4: they've got to be provided for them back here at home. 743 00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:47,973 Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting, Brian. I contrast this with 744 00:42:48,653 --> 00:42:51,973 Speaker 2: something which I saw in Melbourne last week where a 745 00:42:52,013 --> 00:42:53,893 Speaker 2: club that you and I are both involved and were 746 00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:57,533 Speaker 2: playing the MCC at the offred ground. They had to 747 00:42:57,573 --> 00:42:59,573 Speaker 2: be off the ground by four point thirty because the 748 00:42:59,613 --> 00:43:03,053 Speaker 2: women were coming to play the Melbourne Cricket Club women. 749 00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:07,933 Speaker 2: There would have been forty of them there, kitted completely out, 750 00:43:08,773 --> 00:43:13,293 Speaker 2: four or five coaches, the resources going into one club. 751 00:43:13,653 --> 00:43:17,613 Speaker 2: That's just the Mobile Cricket Club the MCC who had 752 00:43:17,653 --> 00:43:19,973 Speaker 2: been start contrast to probably see anything you would see 753 00:43:19,973 --> 00:43:22,653 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. It was also a comment that I 754 00:43:22,653 --> 00:43:25,213 Speaker 2: would have met that ten years ago you wouldn't have 755 00:43:25,213 --> 00:43:28,533 Speaker 2: seen that. But in Australia the resources that they are 756 00:43:28,533 --> 00:43:32,973 Speaker 2: putting into women's cricket was quite stark. And I think 757 00:43:32,973 --> 00:43:36,693 Speaker 2: you're right. The programs are the yere. I'm hearing good 758 00:43:36,733 --> 00:43:39,173 Speaker 2: things from Craig coming what he's doing down and down 759 00:43:39,173 --> 00:43:42,173 Speaker 2: in Otaga, and I'm sure it's being replicated in other parts. 760 00:43:42,573 --> 00:43:44,773 Speaker 2: But it's the question of rew and focus. 761 00:43:45,253 --> 00:43:46,653 Speaker 6: Well, it's an opportunity, isn't it. 762 00:43:46,693 --> 00:43:46,853 Speaker 4: Wad. 763 00:43:47,173 --> 00:43:50,893 Speaker 5: We've got a grasp that. Don't lose this chance New 764 00:43:51,013 --> 00:43:55,373 Speaker 5: Zealand cricket. You know, of trying to bring new players 765 00:43:55,413 --> 00:43:59,173 Speaker 5: into the game and having things available for them. 766 00:43:58,853 --> 00:44:01,173 Speaker 4: It's going to cost them money. They've got to spend 767 00:44:01,173 --> 00:44:03,933 Speaker 4: a bit of money to get the programs so that 768 00:44:04,013 --> 00:44:07,373 Speaker 4: these people can play, rather than put them up on 769 00:44:07,453 --> 00:44:10,133 Speaker 4: Granada Park where no one can see them play and 770 00:44:10,173 --> 00:44:12,333 Speaker 4: it blows like hell. I don't think you would have 771 00:44:12,333 --> 00:44:15,693 Speaker 4: ever played at Grenada Park in Wellington, Jerry, you were 772 00:44:15,693 --> 00:44:19,493 Speaker 4: too good for that. But us lower graders we know 773 00:44:19,573 --> 00:44:22,613 Speaker 4: what Grenada Park was like, and I'm sure there are 774 00:44:22,653 --> 00:44:24,973 Speaker 4: parks like that up and down the country. They've got 775 00:44:25,013 --> 00:44:29,493 Speaker 4: to be given the prominence that their achievements have merited. 776 00:44:31,013 --> 00:44:33,493 Speaker 2: Look, I think I agree with you. That's shit on 777 00:44:33,493 --> 00:44:36,133 Speaker 2: Granada Park. I would have equated it to the Enville 778 00:44:36,133 --> 00:44:36,893 Speaker 2: Park anyway. 779 00:44:38,653 --> 00:44:48,573 Speaker 4: Come oh, Cony played there, beautiful ground. Let's hope we're 780 00:44:48,613 --> 00:44:51,893 Speaker 4: talking about some cricket to celebrate. Next week the women 781 00:44:51,933 --> 00:44:55,533 Speaker 4: have those three one day is that they've got to play, 782 00:44:55,813 --> 00:44:59,613 Speaker 4: and there's a Test match in Puna. Rest well, gentlemen, 783 00:45:00,053 --> 00:45:03,053 Speaker 4: put the betting slips away. You know you might be 784 00:45:03,253 --> 00:45:06,373 Speaker 4: inclined to go and back New Zealand and a Test match. 785 00:45:06,413 --> 00:45:09,853 Speaker 4: I don't know. I know you don't, Jerry, So that's fine. 786 00:45:10,813 --> 00:45:13,773 Speaker 2: Can I just ask a question? Was very interesting? Rite 787 00:45:13,773 --> 00:45:17,373 Speaker 2: it towards the end of the innings ashwn Bowl. The 788 00:45:17,413 --> 00:45:20,893 Speaker 2: last couple of overs was not introduced until after Judasia 789 00:45:21,213 --> 00:45:24,213 Speaker 2: and cool Deep and they kept coming back. What does 790 00:45:24,253 --> 00:45:26,653 Speaker 2: that mean? It was perplexing to me. 791 00:45:28,413 --> 00:45:29,253 Speaker 6: You had to put. 792 00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:33,493 Speaker 2: Probably probably, But I just thought it was interesting that 793 00:45:33,573 --> 00:45:35,053 Speaker 2: he was, wasn't you. 794 00:45:35,253 --> 00:45:38,333 Speaker 4: Well we'll see what happens in the Test match in Poona. 795 00:45:38,373 --> 00:45:41,053 Speaker 4: Thanks for your time, guys, I look forward to talking 796 00:45:41,093 --> 00:45:44,933 Speaker 4: to you again. Enjoy the time off between now and 797 00:45:45,013 --> 00:45:45,813 Speaker 4: the start of POONA. 798 00:45:47,053 --> 00:45:50,453 Speaker 6: Good side step was lovely to hear from you. Take 799 00:45:50,493 --> 00:45:53,893 Speaker 6: care of mate. You make sure you've been the winger 800 00:45:53,973 --> 00:45:55,133 Speaker 6: now and going in the corner. 801 00:45:57,613 --> 00:46:00,093 Speaker 2: Ye have a good time. 802 00:46:03,813 --> 00:46:04,173 Speaker 4: Summer. 803 00:46:11,053 --> 00:46:13,653 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk set B listen live on 804 00:46:13,773 --> 00:46:16,733 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 805 00:46:16,773 --> 00:46:19,293 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio