1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Very soper s heered Politics Bears Good Afternoon Afternoon, Rown 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: debates on next week. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: We'll be on next week. Yeah, it's really interesting. You 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: know why Nichola Willis is quite keen on this debate 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: because she is a debating champion. She was at the 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 2: Victoria University debating team when she was studying there and 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: took part in international competitions. She also, in the run 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: up to the two thousand and eight election, was working 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: for John Key and she coached him but also stood 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: in as Helen Clark for debates. So look, she's got 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: plenty of experience and I really think that Ruth Richeson 12 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: given her. She's been really pushing for it. Today they 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: gave Nikola Wallace a five pm deadline to agree to 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: a debate next week. She said, anytime any place, take 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: it or leave it, Minister, is. 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: This getting fasticle? 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's great. I'll be watching. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: So she of of course, to remind your listeners, Ruth 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: Richardson was the mother of all budgets, but she's also 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: the chair of the Taxpayers Union, which is out to 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: discredit Nikola Willis. Nikola Willis would argue, and I was 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: looking today at what she would be saying, probably last year, 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: debt as a percentage of GDP remained level for the 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: first time, she would say in six years, spending as 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 2: a percentage of GDP foul. As she said, their physical 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: policy is to return the books to surplus and bend 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: the debt curved down. While that's what you'll be saying, 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: no doubt promoting that next week. So that is her argument, 29 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: But she's more than happy to have Ruth Richardson debate 30 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: it with her. 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: She's looking in the shadows behind this campaign and what 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: she needs to desfront up. She needs to put her 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: face to the arguments. She needs to have the debate 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: with me. But what I want is a straight up, 35 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: honest debate to really analyze some of the claims that 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: she and her associates are making, to argue about actually 37 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: what the impact of some of the things that she 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: is calling for would be on everyday New Zealanders and 39 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: their families, to test what her tolerance for human misery is. 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 2: See so you can see what the way this is 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: going to shape hard. One is going to be kind, 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: the other is cruel. The cruel one is Ruth Richardson. 43 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: And I was messaging Nichola Willis today and she said 44 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: she's so keen on doing it next week and she'll 45 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: do it on Thursday after the half year fiscal update. 46 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: Now you know that could not be that great for 47 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: the government. 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: Nevertheless, she'll take to push the service out again. Yes, 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: exactly great for Ruth. There was talk she wanted to 50 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: push the debate out till next year. I said to you, 51 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: I said, this is getting ridiculous, honestly that no one's 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: that interesting. Like, don't get me wrong, it's interesting. 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 4: I will be watching. 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: We are tragic, but I mean it's not. And also 55 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: PM wants a clear runway for it. You know, sta't 56 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: kick the year off. 57 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: It's wrong. 58 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: Cameron tonks No anyway, what's happening in the Parliament. 59 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: Well, the Electoral Changes Bill, it's before the House under 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: urgency that basically it sets a much earlier deadline for 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: enrolling to vote thirteen days before the election next year 62 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: and also disqualified disqualifies all sentenced prisoners. Before the Labor 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: Party introduced three years if you're three years in under 64 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: in prison you could vote. Well, this bill will do 65 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: away with that. The Maori Party's new MP. Your one, 66 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: your mate she hasn't been expelled yet incidentally, or any of. 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: The few left. 68 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. She didn't make much headway with 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: her argument in Parliament this afternoon that it's unfair to 70 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: make people enroll thirteen days before the election, and she 71 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: was also upset that prisoners will be prevented from voting. 72 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: Does the man a the dispute evidence that shows that 73 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 5: denying prisoners the right to vote undermines rehabilitation goals, increases 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 5: social exclusion and ultimately increases the risk of offending. 75 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: Well, of course, I tend to think more about the 76 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: needs of the victims of crime. Currently, it is the 77 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: law that if you're in prison for three years or more, 78 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: you lose your vote, and we are extending that earlier, 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 4: and we think that's fully justified. 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Symour. 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 5: Does he believe that New Zealanders of all races are. 82 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: Equally capable of fulfilling this basic requirement? Yes, And I 83 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: have always been troubled by a particular party claiming that 84 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: their voters are disadvantaged by any changes which would imply 85 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 4: that their voters are less capable than other voters of 86 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: getting themselves enrolled, which is a strange way to talk 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 4: about your voters. 88 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: So with that already didn't ask any more. 89 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: Interesting. You know, you say she's my friend, and she 90 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: is and she was, but I tell you what, tried 91 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: to get her on the show a couple of times, 92 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: Barry and just sign. 93 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: So much for friendship radio silence. 94 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: Normally when you go into politics, you're chomping at the 95 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: bit to talk totally. 96 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: When you're part of the Marlti party, you never know 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: whether you're Arthur or Martha, or whether you've got a 98 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: seat or. 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: Not exactly and who's pulling the strings exactly. And now 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: very quickly there's new visa policy. This is paying dividends. 101 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: Well, it's just it's a good you know. To me, 102 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: it makes sense that if you've got a visa and 103 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: you come from China or the Pacific to visit Australia 104 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: and their visa requirements are quite strict, then the new 105 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: visa requirement was to allow them to come on to 106 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: New Zealand without having to go through the paperwork. Again, well, 107 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: that's seen in the past month ten thousand people coming 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: into the country and we're going to see many, many more. Obviously, 109 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: the point that the Immigration Minister made was that the 110 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: strong interest in the South Island in particular, for three 111 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: percent of Pacific visitors are going to Christchurch and onto Queenstown. 112 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: So it's a very good policy. 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Why why not just piggyback exactly. Very good to see. 114 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: You're Barry soapert Politics. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, 115 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 116 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.