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Speaker 1: US China meeting seemed to go well. Twist of sorts,

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Speaker 1: though the US President announced the resumption of nuclear weapons

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Speaker 1: testing minutes before that meeting. This was in response allegedly

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Speaker 1: to Russia touting the nuclear power underwater drone. It would

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Speaker 1: locus senior fellow and security analyst at the sty of

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Speaker 1: a European policy analysis is back with us. Morning to you, Edward,

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Speaker 1: good morning hot air or reel hot air. Then we

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Speaker 1: can all relax, I suppose can't We.

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Speaker 2: May bit seriously. I mean, what is true is that

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Speaker 2: Russia has tested two weapons which are really quite alarming.

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Speaker 2: One is a nuclear powered missile and the other is

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Speaker 2: a drone which could carry a nuclear warhead close to

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Speaker 2: the shoreline of an adversary country and detonated, setting off

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Speaker 2: as tsunami. And those are real weapons, and they are alarming,

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Speaker 2: and I think Trump is giving a sort of rhetorical

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Speaker 2: counter to that. Actually restarting real nuclear testing would be

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Speaker 2: enormous and very destabilizing change. The only country that conducts

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Speaker 2: nuclear tests is North Korea and is an international pariah

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Speaker 2: as a result. If the United States really started nuclear testing,

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Speaker 2: you'd certainly see the Chinese and the Russians doing the same,

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Speaker 2: and the doomsday clot would be moving another couple of

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Speaker 2: minutes close to midnight.

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Speaker 1: It was funny my last question for this interview and

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Speaker 1: I was the doomsday clock moving. But I take it.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back at our America going to start, I

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Speaker 1: mean physically tangibly. Are they going to wind up testing?

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Speaker 1: Can they do it or will there's just sort of

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Speaker 1: be another news headline.

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Speaker 2: I mean they could, but it would be a mammoth

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Speaker 2: technical operation to start, presumably underground nuclear testing. I don't

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Speaker 2: think we're going to go back to the days of

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Speaker 2: the Bikini Atoll on those atmospheric tests. But I think

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Speaker 2: Trump is very much the master of the SoundBite and

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Speaker 2: the headline, and often the follow through is very different.

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Speaker 2: So you've seen the way he's talked about dealing with

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Speaker 2: other countries with tariffs, and it ends up with a

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Speaker 2: lot of taggling and things sort of more or less

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Speaker 2: go back to normal. He threatened to pull out of NATO.

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Speaker 2: He didn't do that, So I would be amazed if

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Speaker 2: we actually get real nuclear testing. I think what he's

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Speaker 2: saying to the is we don't like the fact you've

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Speaker 2: got these new weapons, and we are urging you to

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Speaker 2: remember that we have cards to play as well.

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Speaker 1: Somewhat encouraging it would appreciate your expertise as always sid

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Speaker 1: with Lucas Sacinia, fellow and security analysts at the same

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Speaker 1: of be European Policy Analysis, so I don't need to

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Speaker 1: ask my doomsday question. For more from the mic Asking Breakfast,

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