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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today. Chris

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Speaker 3: Bishop on the big announcement today, the New Zealand Initiative

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Speaker 3: is going to talk us through the unis handing out

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Speaker 3: a's like there's no tomorrow. And Paul Bloxham of HSBC

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Speaker 3: on the likely ocr cup tomorrow and whether he is

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Speaker 3: seeing the green shoots, small ones or big ones.

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Speaker 2: Heather duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Right, Regional councils might be about to be killed. It's

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Speaker 3: being reported now by multiple different media outlets that the

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Speaker 3: government will announce this afternoon that they are scrapping regional councils. Now,

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Speaker 3: if this does and bearing in mind the afternoon is

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Speaker 3: running out fast, but if this does bear out, and

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Speaker 3: I do believe that it will, then you need to

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Speaker 3: put this on your list of some of the best

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Speaker 3: news that you have heard in a long time for

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Speaker 3: turning this country around. Regional councils have got to go.

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Speaker 3: It's not so much the elective councilors, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously they have to go as well. We simply don't

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Speaker 3: need that layer of bureaucracy regional councils when we already

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Speaker 3: have city and district councils, and we already have central government.

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Speaker 3: It's just far too much. But scrapping the elected guys,

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Speaker 3: that's only going to save a little bit of money.

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Speaker 3: We're talking peanuts here. The real money is going to

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Speaker 3: be saved in the stuff that happens in the back

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Speaker 3: office at the regional councils, the stuff that's done by

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Speaker 3: the unelected officials and the consultants that they bring in.

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Speaker 3: And when what I'm talking about here is the plans. Now,

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Speaker 3: let me tell you about the plans. You probably don't

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Speaker 3: realize it because this stuff is so boring it will

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Speaker 3: put you to sleep. But regional councils around this country

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Speaker 3: are blowing tens of millions of dollars and wasting years

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Speaker 3: upon years on planning new rules. The White Cuttle Regional

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Speaker 3: Council's Healthy Rivers Plan Change one, I know, let's just

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Speaker 3: call it PC one for short. PC one at last

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Speaker 3: count has cost twenty three million dollars. That was about

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Speaker 3: three years ago. The plan is not even fully implemented.

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Speaker 3: Yet so you can add to that twenty three million.

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Speaker 3: Now that is just the plan for the rivers in

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Speaker 3: the wy Cuttle. It's not the plan for rivers anywhere

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Speaker 3: else in the country. It's for nothing else in the

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Speaker 3: y Cuttle. It is just for the rivers in the

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Speaker 3: y Cuttle. And it's already cost twenty three million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Bear in mind, every single region, and there are eleven

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Speaker 3: of them, makes its own plans, So you could take

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Speaker 3: that twenty three million dollars, you just add to it.

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Speaker 3: Around this country, we're just racking up the millions. This stuff,

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Speaker 3: as I said, takes years. The y Cuttle River Plan

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Speaker 3: PC one that was notified in twenty sixteen, a decade on,

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Speaker 3: it's still not in full operation because of appeals and

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Speaker 3: all kinds of wrangles around it. And this is where

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Speaker 3: huge amounts of the rates that you pay are wasted. Right,

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Speaker 3: So scrapping the regional councils is potentially a massive, massive

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Speaker 3: saving for us. If the NATS then replace I mean,

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Speaker 3: the question is what do they replace it with. If

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Speaker 3: they then replace the regional councils with a system where

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Speaker 3: maybe we have just one set of rules or four

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Speaker 3: Now the devil is in the detail, which we are

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. But so far this has the potential to

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Speaker 3: be some of the best news for this country.

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Speaker 4: Together, do for Sea Allen, like I say, Christ Bishop

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Speaker 4: probably of us after five o'clock and we're going to

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Speaker 3: Let's get to some more excellent news for the country,

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Speaker 3: because it doesn't stop. We have yet more amazing results

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Speaker 3: from the government's education changes, this time the new Math's curriculum.

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Speaker 3: Remember the pilot you might remember this. It was run

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Speaker 3: Education Minister. High Erica hi Gez's results just getting better

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Speaker 5: It's really encouraging. And what was the most interesting thing

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Speaker 5: really good gains with the students who were receiving tuition

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Speaker 5: new year by year internationally benchmarked curriculum. Those kids made

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Speaker 5: a year's worth a progress in twelve weeks. And that's

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Speaker 5: a bit that has absolutely blown us away, and it

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Speaker 5: shows our reforms are working.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what does it tell you about what has been

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Speaker 5: Then, well, it tells me that there's no substitute for

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Speaker 5: get these results. I think when we have a system

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Speaker 5: it's pretty woeful in mathematics. When you have a curriculum

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Speaker 5: and we don't have any resource to support it or

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Speaker 5: assess our kids to see how they're going, then what

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Speaker 5: do you expect decades of decline, which is what we

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Speaker 3: Around, I mean, because it gives the impression that what's

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Speaker 3: Is that what's been going on?

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Speaker 5: Well the curriculum, to give you an example, between years

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Speaker 5: so important because you have to do things in a

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Speaker 3: Erica, do you think, I mean, you are facing a

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Speaker 3: principles for what you're trying to do, do you think

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Speaker 5: So I couldn't have done any of this without the

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Speaker 5: a huge amount of heavy lifting, and they should be

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Speaker 5: extraordinarily proud of these results. They did this and I

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Speaker 5: didn't teach any kids to do maths. It was them.

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Speaker 5: And I think you're right that the more of these

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Speaker 5: But I'm really clear, I am in this job fighting

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Speaker 5: because parents. That's what parents expect, that their kids are confident,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, listen. The other thing that is remarkable is,

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Speaker 3: going to be available now that this is just a pilot,

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Speaker 3: is that going to be availab to a wider group now?

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Speaker 5: Well, the results that we saw with the children who

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Speaker 5: next year to through fifteen thousand children, So thirteen thousand

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Speaker 5: There'll be a little bit of online, but we're trying

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. Listen. Where are you at with the paydeal?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're always hopeful. Of course, we're working hard. The

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Speaker 5: Public Service Commissioner is working very hard. He's at the table,

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Speaker 5: and negotiations are a proceeding. So we really don't want

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Speaker 5: into rolling strikes. We want to come to an agreement.

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Speaker 5: We've put everything on the table in good faith. We've

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Speaker 3: Brilliant. Hey, thank you very much, Eric, I really appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time. The therapi Standford Education Minister who obviously just

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Speaker 3: keeps on smashing it out of the park. Here the

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Speaker 3: read the regional councils Yes, yes, yes, another text Heather, Yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Regional councils need to go go go quasi corporations self

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Speaker 3: taxpayer wanting to join the hundreds texting you right now

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Speaker 3: to say yay, good riddance to regional councils and the

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Speaker 3: transactional fillers who suck up our money. Yay from Michael. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: Here the great news on regional councils as a business owner.

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Speaker 3: We can just get on with making money and paying

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Speaker 3: more tax. Yay. I don't know about the tax. Yeating

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Speaker 6: Hello, Darcy's a good thing about paying tax?

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Speaker 2: Does it means I have a job?

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Speaker 3: This is you know, silver linings. Absolutely, that's cup, that's

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Speaker 6: That's the beauty of the class, not half full of

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Speaker 6: paying the power bill because it's the alternative. It's not very.

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Speaker 3: Good sport all of a sudden sporty sports not letting

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Speaker 3: part of this black cap squad.

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Speaker 6: And he's broken, so he's not going to be there initially.

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Speaker 6: They want to protect them, which is understandable.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't he just been playing in the plunket what's what's

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Speaker 6: The plunket shield?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Does that break?

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Speaker 6: He's big and frail and so they don't want to

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Speaker 6: necessarily breaking himself.

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Speaker 3: Eld bowler's body.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's a lump too. Have you ever met

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Speaker 6: the guys.

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Speaker 3: It's huge.

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Speaker 6: I don't know why he'd want to do this for himself,

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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's been suspended in the last couple of hours

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Speaker 13: Good cat ups christif.

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Speaker 3: Is going to be a US after five o'clock, which

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Speaker 3: In the US, the White House said it will appeal

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's Australia correspondence with us Hallo muz A very

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Speaker 3: good afternoon, Heather Mas. Are you just dying to get

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Speaker 16: Bit shabby. I mean, Angus, he's actually younger than me,

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Speaker 16: for seven sitting days. That's for wearing a burker into

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Speaker 16: the chamber yesterday. It took presiding offices in the Senate

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Speaker 16: an hour and a half to get her out. She

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Speaker 16: refused to leave. I'm not laving as she sat there

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Speaker 16: in the burker. You know she's pulled the same stunt

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Speaker 16: in twenty seventeen from memory, and she was eventually kicked

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Speaker 16: out then too. And then she goes on Sky and

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Speaker 16: News last night to Andrew Bolt. You know who gives

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Speaker 16: her an easy time.

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Speaker 12: Oh look, I lie.

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Speaker 16: I love everybody, Andrew, I love everybody. It's got nothing

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Speaker 16: to do with race. Or respect it all religious all

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Speaker 16: religious faiths. But what she says she's banging on about

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Speaker 16: is the is the requirement for Muslim women to wear

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Speaker 16: a burker or a he Jack well, you know, Muslim

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Speaker 16: Women of Australia was on the air this morning saying, well,

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Speaker 16: no one's forcing us to do it. It's a religious

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Speaker 16: act that we want to follow. My husband is a

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Speaker 16: standing here, you know, with the rolling pen going to

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Speaker 16: belt me if I don't wear my burker. So you know,

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Speaker 16: once again Hansen has sort of maybe looked at the

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Speaker 16: kool aid that is the current public opinion figures to

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Speaker 16: showing her party at unprecedented levels of support, and she

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Speaker 16: thinks she'll bung this on. And after she was kicked

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Speaker 16: out of the Senate, she's duck down to her office,

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Speaker 16: broken out the sandwich machine, the old brevels, you know,

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Speaker 16: sandwich press, and knocked up three wag Us steaks for

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Speaker 16: her self and Barnaby Joyce. He came down and tucked

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Speaker 16: into two of them mashed potatoes if you don't mind

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Speaker 16: while they sort of talked about whether or not Barnaby's

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Speaker 16: is going to join one nation. I mean to be

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Speaker 16: honest that these two deserve each other unless you just

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Speaker 16: get a room.

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Speaker 12: It's just horrible.

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Speaker 3: All right. Listen, how long does it take you to

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Speaker 3: save for a house for a deposit for a house

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Speaker 3: in Sydney.

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Speaker 16: In Sydney now on average of the well, are you

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Speaker 16: sitting down more than thirteen years to save the deposit?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 16: If that, I mean there are still people, you know,

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Speaker 16: I go on their on the weekends. I've got to

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Speaker 16: show on two Gibi on the weekends. You just you know,

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Speaker 16: you throw the line out. You know, how old is

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Speaker 16: the oldest child still at home with mom and dad.

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Speaker 12: I'm sixty three?

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Speaker 16: Well, what are you doing there? Get out?

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Speaker 12: It's just really really dreadful.

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Speaker 16: And you know, young people just despair the single biggest

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Speaker 16: issue for young people in this country, and I dare

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Speaker 16: say in New Zealand and many other places as well.

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Speaker 16: They've got no hope of achieving the Aussie dream, which

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Speaker 16: is to buy your own house. Thirteen years on average

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Speaker 16: for a Sydney sider to save the twenty percent they

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Speaker 16: need in regional New South Wales. So that's the bush

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Speaker 16: that's Coffs Harbor or somewhere budget twelve years to save.

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Speaker 16: And how about this, if you buy a home in

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Speaker 16: Ride or you know, the eastern suburbs of Sydney, You're

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Speaker 16: going to be servicing them more if you could. You know,

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Speaker 16: with a twenty percent deposit, you're servicing a mortgage for

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Speaker 16: the next thirty five years, the mortgage taking more than

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Speaker 16: one hundred percent of median household income.

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Speaker 3: You can't you can't even live.

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Speaker 16: You can't do that, which is why people are being

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Speaker 16: forced to rent, rent, rent.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm loving this. If you could just keep us,

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Speaker 3: keep bringing us all the negative stories about how stink

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Speaker 3: Australia is so we can stop the brain drawn from

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Speaker 3: New Zealand to Australia. Then I'll shout you something, mate, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll shout you you're a lovely one. Yeah, I'll shout

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Speaker 3: you Stacy. Anyway, listen, tell me let us know how

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Speaker 3: the ACDC concert goes, because we've got concerning love dying.

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Speaker 12: I'll let you know, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Thanks mate, Off you go, Maria holds Australia correspondent. Oh

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Speaker 3: it's not going to sound like that, is it. No,

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Speaker 3: not at all, Heather. The Herald is groaning from the

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Speaker 3: tsunami of letters against Erica Stanford's changes seems not the

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Speaker 3: whole country is in love with her brackets, but I

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Speaker 3: am this is parents, parents love her heither. You're wrong

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Speaker 3: if you think everyone is in love with Erica. She's arrogant, divisive,

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Speaker 3: acts and speaks like a colonist and one of the

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Speaker 3: worst education ministers we've had in New Zealand. How do

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Speaker 3: you act and speak like a colonist? What does that

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Speaker 3: even mean? Is that if you speak English? Because then

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Speaker 3: in that case, yes, anyway, Thomas, another colonist is going

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Speaker 3: to be with us next sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with us right now.

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Speaker 17: Hello Tom, he had a good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Regional councils are gone Burger.

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Speaker 18: Well there is. There is an announcement at five o'clock

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Speaker 18: this afternoon. I've actually have written a column about what

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Speaker 18: the government was looking at back in July. So if

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Speaker 18: if your readers want to google Thomas Coglan council merger

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Speaker 18: a algamation thing and read a really good article from.

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Speaker 3: July agamation amalgamation thing, Well, I can't.

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Speaker 17: Say anything about about what the government is planning. I

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Speaker 17: really can't.

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Speaker 18: They they've sworn me to secret see, but I would

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Speaker 18: I would go back and read that column from July.

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Speaker 17: I think they've got.

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Speaker 3: Column thirteen minutes and then they can tune into christ

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Speaker 3: Bishop here on the show.

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Speaker 17: We're doing a Black Friday sale, so pretty subscribe.

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Speaker 3: They can ever listen to it. All right, Well, you

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Speaker 3: can't talk much about that, so never mind that.

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Speaker 17: Will move on.

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Speaker 3: Then tell me about Labor fluting with Winnie.

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Speaker 17: Yes, this is really interesting.

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Speaker 18: So obviously obviously Labor, Labor wants to repeal the Regulatory

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Speaker 18: Standards Act, and then last week when Si Peters decided

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Speaker 18: that he wanted to to repeal it as well, so

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Speaker 18: Labor sort of teased tease mister Peters today putting out

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Speaker 18: a members bill saying, hey, look let's just repeal it.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 17: We've put our members bill in the tin.

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Speaker 18: And Winston obviously has the votes to join with Labor,

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Speaker 18: the Greens to Party Mary to to make that members

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Speaker 18: bill law. Winston fired off a tweet he's flying to

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Speaker 18: Hanaway at the moment. I think he used the inn

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Speaker 18: Air Wi FI to file a tweet accusing Labour of

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Speaker 18: playing political games, saying that they hold their coalition agreement,

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Speaker 18: which is for this term and then obviously at the

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Speaker 18: twenty twenty six election they will campaign on repealing the

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Speaker 18: Regulatory Standards Act, which they would probably need labor.

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Speaker 17: Support to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they've just busted him playing his game, haven't they,

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Speaker 3: Because if he actually really wanted to repeal the thing

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Speaker 3: that he himself voted in, then he could do it

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Speaker 3: right now with their help, couldn't they.

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Speaker 18: He could And you know this precedent for this, the

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Speaker 18: Greens of the exact same thing back in the twenty

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Speaker 18: seventeen to twenty twenty election. The Green said, look, we'll

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Speaker 18: vote for your walker jumping law and then National put

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Speaker 18: it in a member's bill to repeal the walker jumping

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Speaker 18: law after the past and the Greens actually said, hey,

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Speaker 18: look Winston, we said we're honor the coalition agreement and

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Speaker 18: vote for the law. We didn't say anything about voting

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Speaker 18: for repealing it. And they did both in the same parliament,

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Speaker 18: and then of course they used it.

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Speaker 3: But he doesn't actually when he doesn't actually want to

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Speaker 3: unwind the law, he just wants to campaign on it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I did you know, I think the events of

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Speaker 17: today would strongly suggest.

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Speaker 3: To acact on man, we're busted him. Now, what is

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Speaker 3: going on with Chris Luxon and the polling and the

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Speaker 3: ongoing questions film me and what's happened today.

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Speaker 18: It's an incredible, incredible sort of event. Today, Christoph Luxm

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Speaker 18: was up in Auckland where he was asked about whether

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Speaker 18: he cared about the national MP's who are going to

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Speaker 18: lose their jobs on current polling if an election were

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Speaker 18: held today. I've actually got the audio of what he

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Speaker 18: said in his response to.

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Speaker 7: It, if you don't hold any concerns for those MP's

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Speaker 7: who on the current polling numbers.

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Speaker 17: If an election was held today would lose their jobs,

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Speaker 17: going to worry for them?

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Speaker 18: So pretty I mean, pretty staggering sort of response here,

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Speaker 18: pretty kind of keell us. I guess I actually put

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Speaker 18: that to Chris Bishop in a press conference a little

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Speaker 18: while ago, and he is what he had to say.

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Speaker 19: I think, I'll think, I think, I think we've dealt

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Speaker 19: with all the ethemera.

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Speaker 17: Related to the Are you worried because he'd be one

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Speaker 17: of them?

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Speaker 19: You, I've got a three point fifteen to talk about

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Speaker 19: resource management reforms, so we're better get to that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you very much.

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Speaker 18: So there's a lot so that annoys. You Here is

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Speaker 18: Chris Bishop leaving his own office. The press conference was

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Speaker 18: in his own office, so Chris Bishop had to actually

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Speaker 18: get up from get from the chair and leave his

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Speaker 18: own office, leaving the entire well half of the press

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Speaker 18: gallery are sitting around his table.

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Speaker 17: So it's not a great lock now I do.

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Speaker 18: I've got a statement from the Prime Minister, from the

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Speaker 18: Prime Minister's spokesperson who said the Prime Minister is answering

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Speaker 18: a hypothecal question. He is confident all national MP's will

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Speaker 18: be returned at the next election. Our plan to fix

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Speaker 18: the basics and build the future as working and we're

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Speaker 18: confident of getting a strong result in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 18: So it is possible that he that he misspoke, even likely,

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Speaker 18: but it is quite an incredible turn of events. I

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Speaker 18: think when there's all this leadership speculation swirling swirling around

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Speaker 18: Chris Bishop. Of course they don't have your sort of

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Speaker 18: answer straight and a question like that, you know, it's

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Speaker 18: show some empathy you say the right thing, which is

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Speaker 18: you know, of course I'm concerned for these MP's and

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Speaker 18: you know what, we're going to fight hard, we're going

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Speaker 18: to win the election and we're going to have an

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Speaker 18: even bigger caucus next week.

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Speaker 3: But this is the problem with Chris lux and he's

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Speaker 3: not nimble, right, and he doesn't figure out how to

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Speaker 3: say things properly because if he was to express empathy,

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Speaker 3: then he would be worried that it would be confirmation

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Speaker 3: of the fact that the thing might really happen. Right

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Speaker 3: what But today was actually an important day because today

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Speaker 3: was caucus where potentially if Chris Lucxeon had the kahones,

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Speaker 3: he could flush Chris bish about did anything happen in caucus?

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Speaker 18: It was this This is a recess week this week,

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Speaker 18: so so he no caucus, so he needs Lunesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 18: and the next Tuesday is a is the scrutiny week.

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Speaker 18: So I'm not sure what the carcuse rules are on

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Speaker 18: whether they actually are holding a caucus meeting at the

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Speaker 18: scrutiny during scrutiny weeks. So he does have a bit

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Speaker 18: of time. But of course that's not impossible to hold

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Speaker 18: an extraordinary caucus meeting if there is if there is

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Speaker 18: no confidence in Chrystopher Luckson. Now, of course it doesn't

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Speaker 18: look like there is an active coup underweight at the moment,

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Speaker 18: but I have to say after that after that press conference.

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Speaker 18: That's probably one of the biggest foot in mouth events

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Speaker 18: of Chrystopher Luckson's career, so it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 18: whether that causes some pace to get a bit shaky.

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Speaker 3: Cool yay for the National Party. All right, Thomas, thanks

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Speaker 3: very much, appreciate it. Thomas Coglin, The Herald's political editor. Look,

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Speaker 3: I think Thomas has touched on something that I think

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Speaker 3: goes some way to explaining why there is this disquiet

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Speaker 3: in the National Party at the moment. It's because on

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Speaker 3: current polling, even people like Chris Bishop and Nikola Willis

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Speaker 3: would be out of parliament. Goldsmith out of parliament. You'd

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Speaker 3: have some of your top performers out of parliament because

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Speaker 3: they either they'll lose their seats or they'll lose their

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Speaker 3: list rankings. So rather than this being what normally happens,

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Speaker 3: which is the back benches get irritated, it's actually the

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Speaker 3: senior ministers who are the ones who are bit jittery.

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Speaker 3: This time around eight away from five here the do

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Speaker 3: you realize that Chris Bishop is an electric MP not

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Speaker 3: a list MP. Yes, Graham, I do. The point I

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Speaker 3: was trying to make is he will lose his seat

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Speaker 3: to Ginny Anderson on current polling. Also, some list MPs

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Speaker 3: will lose their placement. So it's across the board. It's

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Speaker 3: electorates and it's listing, it's marginal electorates, it's list MPs.

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Speaker 3: It's the whole. It's the whole shooting box. As my

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Speaker 3: grandfather used to say. That last text about Erica summed

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Speaker 3: it up. Erica haters hate the how, but her fans

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Speaker 3: love the what. Education isn't as important as identity for

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Speaker 3: the haters. It's a fair point to make. Four away

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Speaker 3: from six. Wayne Brown's done a thing today. So there

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Speaker 3: was a there was a council meeting in Auckland today

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Speaker 3: and Eden Park were busy presenting and the Palestinian Palestine

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Speaker 3: sorrowed our solidarity network AlSi or started interrupting five million.

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Speaker 14: You are a shameful individual.

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Speaker 7: I hope you realize that.

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Speaker 3: Three pree Palestine. So anyway, then this happened three pree Palestine,

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Speaker 3: and not really cross with him now for saying that,

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Speaker 3: which is quite funny because it's inappropriate. Anyway, I'm not finishing.

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Speaker 3: We've got to talk about Wayne Brown actually and what

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Speaker 3: he's just done here. Talk about it in the next

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Speaker 3: half an hour or so. Also need to get you

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Speaker 3: across what is going on. The government has announced that

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Speaker 3: it wants to fix the state of it in our

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Speaker 3: health system and basically digitize it. Now, I am always

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Speaker 3: surprised by it. Are you surprised by this?

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Speaker 8: Like I am.

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Speaker 3: You go to the doctor and they go what happened?

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Speaker 3: And you're like, where are your Like everybody is running

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Speaker 3: integrated systems nowadays. Like, I just cannot believe that you

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Speaker 3: could go to the doctor and then go to the

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Speaker 3: hospital and they can't share your information. Now, some doctors

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Speaker 3: obviously do. Mine fortunately does. In fact, sometimes I like

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Speaker 3: to just kind of flirt with two different doctors. Go

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Speaker 3: to that doctor, go to that doctors and they can

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Speaker 3: share with each other, which is quite handy, makes that

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Speaker 3: whole thing a bit more seamless. But the fact that

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Speaker 3: they're not all doing it is just mind blowing to me,

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Speaker 3: given that the internet's been around for a very long time. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll get you across that shortly, but first Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: on whether he really is doing the thing that's getting

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Speaker 3: us all excited and scrapping the regional councils he's with us.

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Speaker 14: Next the.

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Speaker 1: Only drive show you can tru to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find the fact and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Here the duplicy Ellen Drive.

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Speaker 1: With One New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile

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Speaker 1: news dogs v Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The government has just announced it once to scrap regional councils.

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Speaker 3: It's proposing to instead replace them with boards made up

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Speaker 3: of mayors from the local region. This would be the

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Speaker 3: biggest shakeup of local government in more than thirty five years.

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Speaker 3: In the man responsible as Chris Bishop, the RMA reform

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Speaker 3: Minister High bish Hello, is this part of a large

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Speaker 3: RMA package.

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Speaker 19: Yes, you'll see in our RMA reforms in a couple

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Speaker 19: of weeks time, much more simplification of the system, greater standardization,

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Speaker 19: the removal of duplication in the system. And we think

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Speaker 19: it's in light of all of that it's time to

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Speaker 19: look at local government as well. We thought quite hard

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Speaker 19: about it because it is a big call. It's the biggest,

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Speaker 19: It would be the biggest shake up since nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 19: But we think given we're making going to make these

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Speaker 19: changes to the way in which we do things locally anyway,

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Speaker 19: you know, now's the time to basically do it all.

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Speaker 19: It's a big mother, big gonor, but I think it's

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Speaker 19: worth it, and un frankly, I think these Zellanas are

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Speaker 19: up for it as well. I think there's widespread dissatisfaction

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Speaker 19: with the performance of local government right now, and you know,

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Speaker 19: you've got you've got a huge amount of frustration out

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Speaker 19: there amongst the general public. So we think, you know,

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Speaker 19: now it's the time to do it.

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Speaker 3: When are they gone?

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Speaker 19: Well, we are proposing We're proposing a consultation document right

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Speaker 19: now which would get rid of elected regional councilors and

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Speaker 19: essentially have a board of mayors for a region. So

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Speaker 19: for you know, take Wellington for example, the mayors of

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Speaker 19: Lower Hearts and Upper Heart and POI RUA would take

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Speaker 19: over the running of the regional things that the regional

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Speaker 19: council does, and then we would ask those mayors and

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Speaker 19: those councils to go through a process of looking at

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Speaker 19: how they organize themselves regionally, and one option that might

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Speaker 19: come out of that might be the adoption of a

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Speaker 19: unitary authority for all of Wellington, for example, and I

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Speaker 19: think certainly in Wellington which is Valentinian. Yeah, yeah, we

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Speaker 19: exactly creating some sort of unitary authority as sort of

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Speaker 19: supersity welling for the Wellington region, which would just have

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Speaker 19: one layer of governments, right, rather than having a regional

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Speaker 19: council like we have at the moment, and all of

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Speaker 19: these constituent councils as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I feel like that would automatically happen, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, surely it would happen in Wellington. Canterbury would

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Speaker 3: have to consider it as well.

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Speaker 19: Oh, there's quite a bit of support for it down

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Speaker 19: in Canterbury. I mean this huge frustration with the performance

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Speaker 19: of e can for example, Environment Canterbury down there, and

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Speaker 19: to be honest and to be honest here that quite

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Speaker 19: a lot of people in local government say to me, look,

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Speaker 19: unless you guys do it, as in you know, you

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Speaker 19: guys as in central government, Unless you guys do this

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Speaker 19: to us, it will never happen. Yeah, Because and there's

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Speaker 19: been a few attempts in Wellington over the years, but

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Speaker 19: also Hooks Bay, there's been some attempt down in South

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Speaker 19: find to sort of amalgamate and reorganize and they always

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Speaker 19: fail because status quo bias kicks in. It goes to

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Speaker 19: a local referendu then all the people get worked up

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Speaker 19: at fails. Actually, people sometimes say to us in central government, look,

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Speaker 19: can you just get on and do it?

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Speaker 12: To us?

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Speaker 19: Everyone knows, even people who are elected counselors know that

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Speaker 19: the status quo I think is unsustainable.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But if you are only getting rid of the

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Speaker 3: elected councilors and are replacing them with the board of mayors,

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Speaker 3: does that mean that you're actually kemping keeping the background

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Speaker 3: the back room functions of the regional council going, which

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Speaker 3: is arguably and not arguably it is the most expensive

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Speaker 3: part that stays.

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Speaker 19: Intact in the short term before we get to the

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Speaker 19: stage two, which is the regional reorganization, which we would

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Speaker 19: expect to result in much much greater simplification of the

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Speaker 19: way in which the regions organize themselves. And that's where

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Speaker 19: the resource management reforms kick in. And so that's why

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Speaker 19: they're kind of linked because through.

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Speaker 3: This is where we go. This is this is where

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Speaker 3: we really start to make the savings, right, because the

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Speaker 3: actual councilors don't cost that much. It's the crap that

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Speaker 3: goes on in the background. It's the tens of millions

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Speaker 3: of dollars and the years that they spend on planning

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Speaker 3: things for fresh water and rivers and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to simplify and make that cheaper for us?

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Speaker 19: Yes, we are, and that's why it's linked to resource

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Speaker 19: management reform. So take for example, making a plan. At

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Speaker 19: the moment, on average, it takes about six or seven

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Speaker 19: years to write a plan, just a simple plan for

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Speaker 19: a city or a region. We think we can get

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Speaker 19: that down to two years through the new resource management

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Speaker 19: system and there'll be much greater simplification and standardization. So,

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Speaker 19: for example, there'll be fewer consents required in the new system.

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Speaker 19: Fewer consents means fewer people in council bureaucracies processing all

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Speaker 19: of the consents. So that will result in the stripping

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Speaker 19: cost out of the system.

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Speaker 3: Because what it gets shorter, it becomes a shorter process

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Speaker 3: and presumably a cheaper process because there are pre existing

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Speaker 3: pre written plans they get to choose from rather than

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Speaker 3: writing their own plans.

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Speaker 19: Yes, correct, So you know, the example I've been talking

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Speaker 19: about publicly for a while now is New Zealand has

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Speaker 19: eleven hundred and seventy five. I have different zones across

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Speaker 19: the country right all, every single zone has its own rules.

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Speaker 19: Canterbury alone has like two hundred and sixty something.

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Speaker 3: And what are you going to get it down to

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Speaker 3: thirteen across New Zealand?

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Speaker 19: Well, Japan has thirteen. I don't think we're going to

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Speaker 19: get to thirteen, but you know, can we can we

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Speaker 19: get closer to thirteen and eleven hundred and seventy five.

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Speaker 3: That's going to make the rates.

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Speaker 19: It will put downward pressure on rates, sure, because we're

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Speaker 19: going to strip cost out of the system and our

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Speaker 19: expectation is that that value nor more people's talk.

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Speaker 3: Right, rates will never get they will never come down,

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Speaker 3: but can you stop the rise?

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Speaker 19: We can put downward pressure on them. And we've got

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Speaker 19: wider work underway around rates capping as well, which Simon

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Speaker 19: Watts will have more to say about very soon.

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Speaker 3: Now listen, I'm sorry to do this, but we're going

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Speaker 3: to have to talk about the thing. Did you leave

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Speaker 3: your office today because of Thomas Coglan's questions.

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Speaker 19: Leave after in the press conference years No, we had

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Speaker 19: a forty five minute press conference.

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Speaker 12: We'd come to the end of it.

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Speaker 19: I had to go to a meeting about the Resource Management.

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Speaker 3: Act in another office.

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Speaker 19: Yes, well well no, no, the meeting was in my office.

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Speaker 17: But that's fine, So you.

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Speaker 3: Had to leave you because so Thomas was asking your

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Speaker 3: awkward questions, So you had to leave your office. Everybody

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Speaker 3: would leave so you could come back in for your meeting.

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Speaker 19: That was we at a forty five minute press conference

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Speaker 19: and dealt with all the questions. The press coffers had

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Speaker 19: come to an end. That's why I left the office.

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Speaker 3: Bish. What he was asking you is how's how's the

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Speaker 3: polling looking in your seat? Are you're going to lose

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Speaker 3: your seat on current polling in Hut South.

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Speaker 19: I'm not focused on that. I'm focused on my ministerial job. Obviously,

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Speaker 19: I'll be putting my best foot forward in Hut South

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Speaker 19: and I'd love to remain the local ellecterate MP for

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Speaker 19: Hut South, but that will ultimately over to the good

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Speaker 19: people of Huts South in a year or so's time.

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Speaker 19: But I've got a job to do as the Minister

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Speaker 19: of You know quite a few things, frankly, and you

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Speaker 19: know the best thing I can do for the Hut

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Speaker 19: Valley is make sure that we get these RMA reforms

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Speaker 19: done in the local government.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the answer to that question is obviously then yes,

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Speaker 3: you are on current polling going to lose your seat.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about the fact the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: was asked about this today whether he was concerned about

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Speaker 3: the MPs who would lose their seats on current polling,

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Speaker 3: and he said he wasn't concerned or.

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Speaker 19: My understandings is clarified that answer. He thought he was

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Speaker 19: answering a hypothetical question.

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Speaker 3: Do you wish he answering questions than he is.

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Speaker 19: Well, my understandings is clarified that answer, and I'm sure

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Speaker 19: that's not what he meant. I mean, clearly we want

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Speaker 19: as many National and Peace to win their seats. I

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Speaker 19: want to win my seat. Simon Watts wants to win

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Speaker 19: his seat. Everyone who holds an a literate seat for

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Speaker 19: the National Party would love to hold those seats. But actually,

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Speaker 19: as you know hither, it's the party vote that counts.

872
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 19: And making sure we get as many party votes for

873
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 19: National as the critical thing that we've all got to

874
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 19: be focused on, and that's my number one priority.

875
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: Chris, thanks very much, listen. I'm sorry this crap is

876
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: overshadowing the wonderful work you're doing and good work with

877
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: the RMA stuff, Chris Bishop, RMA Reform Minister, with some

878
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: of the best news you've probably heard in a little

879
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: while a quarter past. Hey, I'll tell you what never

880
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: gets boring when you're driving a BYD. It's talking to

881
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: the car. These cars are so technologically advanced. They've got

882
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: everything right. They've got the adaptive cruise control and the

883
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: automatic breaking, the emergency breaking, the lane departure warning, the

884
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: driver attention warning, everything. But you can also boss them around.

885
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: So you want to wind up the kid's window in

886
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: the back by wind up the left back window and

887
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: it'll wind it up for you. If you want some

888
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: more cold, you just tell the car to drop the

889
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: air temperature by whatever, two degrees, one degree, whatever you want,

890
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: it'll do it for you. You want to change the

891
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: radio station, you just tell the cart. Obviously you don't

892
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: want to do that right now, but you can. You

893
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: can tell the car to do it now. Every car

894
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: that I've driven from BYD, and that includes the Sea

895
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: Lion seven I'm driving at the moment, has this function,

896
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: has all the other cool stuff as well. If you

897
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: want to get yourself a car that's basically like a

898
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 3: cool little robot, get along to BYD because they've just

899
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: launched four new models arriving in New Zealand next year

900
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: and right now you will get yourself five thousand dollars

901
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: off across the twenty twenty five byd range, byd Auto,

902
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 3: dot co, dot.

903
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: MZ ever do for cllenhither.

904
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 3: It's about time to get rid of the regional councils.

905
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: They're paying staff for doing nothing. I've seen it myself

906
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: eighteen past five. Now the government is embarking on a

907
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: plan to fix the sorry state of it in our

908
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: health system, the Health Digital Investment Plan. It's going to

909
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 3: take ten years and it aims to modernize and unify

910
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: the digital systems used our health sick to Doctor Luke

911
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: Bradford is the President of the Royal College of GPS

912
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 3: and with us.

913
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 12: Now, Hi Luke, Hi, Heather, how are you doing.

914
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: I'm well. This is overdue though, isn't it.

915
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. We've been doing fragmented, piecemeal, bespoke

916
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 20: solutions that don't get delivered for years. So this is

917
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 20: something that we can at least build towards.

918
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: Okay, so what's the end goal? Is it that you

919
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: or any other doctor, any other healthy, any hospital whatever

920
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 3: in the whole country can click on my name and

921
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 3: see all the stuff about my medical history.

922
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 20: I mean there's some stuff on confidentiality there, but I'll

923
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 20: give you a real life example. I'm currently palliating. I'm

924
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 20: looking after forty four year old mother of three who's

925
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 20: dying a year and a half ago. I wrote a letter,

926
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 20: because that's what we still do. We write letters to

927
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 20: the hospital. A hospital wrote her a letter, gave her

928
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 20: an appointment, but she couldn't get to because she has

929
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 20: to get a boat in order to get to the hospital,

930
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 20: so they sent her another one. She showed up, got

931
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 20: the boat, got there and someone was off sick, and

932
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 20: so she had to go home. The cardiologist, cardiologist and

933
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 20: a renal doctor talk to each other, didn't talk to me,

934
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 20: didn't talk to the patient. It's all ended up with

935
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 20: her in a heap and she's now going to die

936
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 20: of heart failure. At no point was there a point

937
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 20: where she could have picked her own appointment, where she

938
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 20: could have entered her own observations, where as sugars were

939
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 20: where we could have worked quickly to change our medicines

940
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 20: around us in real life, rather than waiting months for

941
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 20: letters to bounce back and forth.

942
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 12: So that's why it's needed.

943
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: So at the moment, some GP practices have got their

944
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: own systems, right, is the goal basically to put it

945
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: all together so we're all using one system. Is that

946
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: the goal?

947
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 20: No, I think it's going to be a click in

948
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 20: so that it works alongside for systems in because it's

949
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 20: not just GPS, GP's aged residential care, pharmacy, hospitals, all

950
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 20: of these providers, and so I think the idea is

951
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 20: that something sits that you can leap click into and

952
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 20: the patient we have to access to.

953
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant, Hey Luke, thank you very much. His hoping

954
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: it goes well. Let's stopt to Luke Bradford, Royal New

955
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: Zealand College of GP's president. Right, Hither, I will buy

956
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: Chris Bishop a box of beers if he ditches the

957
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: Regional Council's life, like you're going to owe him that.

958
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: Heather Wayne Brown, someone needs to buy the man a beer.

959
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Wayne Brown next five to twenty one.

960
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather du for

961
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one

962
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: else news talk sa'd be.

963
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: Heither, I'm a nurse. Wellington hospitals still write their notes

964
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: on paper. One hospital does not see the next hospital's

965
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 3: notes for patients. Nothing is interface. Emails are still at

966
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 3: CCDHB because they're too scared to change them to Health

967
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: New Zealand. It's ridiculous, isn't it. Five twenty four Now,

968
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: Wayne Brown, as I told you earlier, as I played

969
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 3: you earlier, has mocked the free Palestine protesters because when

970
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: they said when they interrupted his meeting's council meeting and

971
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: said free Palestine, he just paused for a minute and

972
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: then he said free Bear, which is obviously completely inappropriate.

973
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: But that's why it's funny, isn't it, Because it's so

974
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: completely inappropriate. And when I saw this today, it made

975
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: me think of what he said yesterday. He was on

976
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: the radio and he wasn't asked to do this, but

977
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 3: you know, it's Wayne Brown. So he offered National and

978
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: Labor some free advice, which was basically that they needed

979
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: to be more like him, and he can see signs

980
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: that they're already trying to do it. I mean, Labor's

981
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 3: already ripped off his future fund policy and I would

982
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 3: agree with him. I think both major parties. In fact,

983
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: I think most politicians out there right now could do

984
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 3: worse than take a leaf out of Wayne Brown's book.

985
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: Wayne Brown is actually very good at what he does.

986
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: He is very clear about his plan. Right his plan

987
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: is to cut costs and raise city income and keep

988
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 3: rates down. He is doing what he planned. The ports

989
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: are earning more than they have before. Cut costs have

990
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: come down. Auckland rates only went up by seven percent

991
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: last year six percent this year. It feels to me

992
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: like everybody else like one hundred percent. Everybody else is

993
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 3: paying more than Auckland is going up by more than Auckland.

994
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: But everybody else last year felt like they were in

995
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: the double digits compared to his seven percent. And you

996
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: cannot argue that he's not authentic. He is authentic. He

997
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: says what he thinks. That's what happened with the free

998
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: Palestine situation today. It happened the time he called the

999
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: media drong goes. It seems to happen every time he

1000
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: comes on this show a little bit lit after some

1001
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: afternoon beers. Now, I don't think a lot of Auckland

1002
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: voters necessarily like Wayne Brown. I mean, I think some

1003
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: people find him amusing, some people don't really care either way.

1004
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: Others simply think a borish mayor is a small price

1005
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: to pay for tidying up the city's finances. But you

1006
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: can never accuse him of leaving you unsure of what

1007
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: he thinks and what he plans to do and what

1008
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: his achievements are and the fact that he has got achievements.

1009
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: And I feel like that is some advice that both

1010
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: Chrises could take from a politician who is actually, despite predictions,

1011
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: turned out to be not half bad.

1012
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 2: Would Heather do for ce Ellen?

1013
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: Okay, listen, the advice is already rolling and Riich it

1014
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: does every year. Watch out because it's Tuesday, and you

1015
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: know what's on Friday. It's the Black Friday sales, and

1016
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 3: the advice is already coming in. Ooh, watch out. Don't

1017
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: get sucked in by a sale that isn't a thing.

1018
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: You know the old Brisco's trick where it's like a

1019
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: sale at the weekend and they're not a sale during

1020
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: the week They're like, watch out for that. If they're

1021
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: saying it's a sale and it's five hundred dollars, check

1022
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: that it actually is more than five hundred dollars most

1023
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 3: of the time. Can I just alert you to the fact, though,

1024
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: because it's leave aside all that advice, there are some

1025
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 3: bargains out there, Producer Sam. I would defy anyone to

1026
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: beat Producer Sam's Black Friday bargain on Saturday. So this

1027
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: is like said black Friday. It's more like black black

1028
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: November by the looks of things. Producer Sam was playing

1029
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: on the TikTok because he's of that generation, and he

1030
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: got an advert to say north Face, you know, which

1031
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: is very cool for the young people at the moment,

1032
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: the north Face clothing. North Face is having a Black

1033
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: Friday Salem Water bargain, so he clicked on it. He

1034
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: bought a black north Face jacket, which is the only

1035
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: kind of north Face jacket you ever want to be

1036
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 3: seen in that is usually retailing, he reckons at about

1037
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy to three hundred dollars. He bought

1038
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 3: it four seventeen dollars. Seventeen dollars for something that should

1039
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: be close to the three hundred dollar mark. He reckoned.

1040
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: I was like, that's surely not all you bought, because

1041
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: at this point I'm like, do some girl math, mate,

1042
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: just buy as much as you can. He says. He

1043
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 3: also bought a T shirt that's around about thirty five bucks.

1044
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: He bought it for four dollars. He said he spent

1045
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: more on freight than what he actually did on buying

1046
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: the items. That how good is that?

1047
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: Beat?

1048
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 14: That?

1049
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: That is the Black Friday sale deal so far? I

1050
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: did one accidentally last night. I went to buy a

1051
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: cup hot This is how boring I am went to

1052
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: buy an extra cup holder for the PRAM. I know,

1053
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just throwing my money at myself and

1054
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: I got a Black Friday deal on it seven dollars off.

1055
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 3: Where news is next?

1056
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first.

1057
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: Heather du for see Ellen Drive with One New Zealand

1058
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: and the Power of Satellite Mobile New Sauce.

1059
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 12: In the Wicklacher NASA.

1060
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: Teacher Tubble standing by. After six o'clock, we got d

1061
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: Dion Swiggs, who's a Canterbury regional counselor, reacting to the

1062
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 3: fact that Bush is going to acts for counsels. Heather,

1063
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: has Sam's jacket actually aright? Or is it a scam?

1064
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: Who's breaking this news? Answering you breaking this news to Sam?

1065
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to break this news to Sam Lord.

1066
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 3: Imagine that. Imagine he thinks he's got himself the deal

1067
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 3: of the century and not and it's not happened. He's

1068
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 3: just been it's been scammed out of twenty one dollars.

1069
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 21: Yeah, I was gonna say. I mean, usually when something's

1070
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 21: too good to be true, it kind of is. I've

1071
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 21: almost been taken in by a board game one like

1072
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 21: that before. Actually, But I'm sure Sam's much more like

1073
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 21: O Fay with the Internet than you or I like.

1074
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: So, well, here's young girl, I hope so I hope

1075
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: he understands the Internet. Anyway. Listen, I'll tell you what

1076
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: I'll do is in the six o'clock news when I've

1077
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: got some proper time, I'll just quietly broach the subject

1078
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: with Sam and just see what the situation is, and

1079
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: I'll report back. I'll ask him to show me the receipts,

1080
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: as they say, twenty four away from six. Now, there's

1081
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: a little bit of concern that universities at the moment

1082
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 3: are handing out A grades too easily. There's a new

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Speaker 3: report out from the New Zealand Initiative which shows the

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Speaker 3: number of grades number of A grades given out since

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Speaker 3: two thousand and six has gone up by sixty four

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Speaker 3: percent to basically now constitute close to forty percent of

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Speaker 3: all grades doctor James Kerstead is a research fellow. At

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Speaker 3: the end, they should have been ease with us. Hi

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Speaker 3: James Hi. Okay, so what's going on yet? I mean,

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Speaker 3: how prolific are these A grades?

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Speaker 22: Well, I mean it's between thirty and forty percent of

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Speaker 22: total grades and should be getting to the point now

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Speaker 22: where A grades are about to be the most common

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Speaker 22: grade awarded at New Zealand universities. Where should it be?

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Speaker 22: I mean it's hard to say. It depends on the cohort,

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Speaker 22: but I think that most people would think that a's

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Speaker 22: probably shouldn't be the most common grade. That should probably

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Speaker 22: be a B or a C, as it was in

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Speaker 22: the past. By the way, if you look at the

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Speaker 22: United States, initially the C was the most common grade,

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Speaker 22: then B, and now for the last thirty years, the

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Speaker 22: A has been the most common grade at US universities.

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Speaker 22: So in that sense, we're just catching up with them,

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Speaker 22: but it's not really something we want to follow them in.

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Speaker 22: Because great inflation has been a big deal in the States.

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Speaker 22: It's sort of helped undermine confidence in universities there, and

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Speaker 22: so I think universities here should probably think about doing

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Speaker 22: something about the grade inflation so that doesn't hurt their

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Speaker 22: reputation as well.

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Speaker 3: What do you think is causing this?

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Speaker 22: I think the academics feel I used to be an

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Speaker 22: academic myself, so I know this. They feel a lot

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Speaker 22: of pressure to keep student numbers up because if your

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Speaker 22: student numbers fall, there's a risk that your program's going

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Speaker 22: to get cut, and therefore that your job is going

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00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 22: to get cut. So I'm not saying people think about

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Speaker 22: this entirely consciously or completely cynically, but there's a sense

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Speaker 22: that if you get a reputation as a harsh grader,

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Speaker 22: then you probably are going to lose student numbers, and

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Speaker 22: that's going to put you in a dangerous position. The

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Speaker 22: other thing is you want good student feedback because that

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00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 22: can help you in promotion and help you keep your job.

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Speaker 22: And there's a sense that if you give out good grades,

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Speaker 22: then students are going to give you good feedback. So

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Speaker 22: both of those mechanisms I think are really important.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why does this put an employer right? Because

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Speaker 3: if you're actually actively if you really really want the

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Speaker 3: smartest of the smartest, and you're looking for a's, this

1129
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: is no longer going to tell you what you need

1130
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Speaker 3: to know. So what do you do.

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Speaker 22: Well, that's exactly right. I mean I've spoken to employers

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Speaker 22: who said that they had to set up their own testing,

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Speaker 22: and in the old days, universities would have been reliable.

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Speaker 22: You know, you could have just outsourced the testing of

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Speaker 22: students to the universities and they would have been able

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Speaker 22: to stamp students with a pretty reliable signal. This is

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Speaker 22: an outstanding student, this is a good student, this is

1138
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Speaker 22: an okay student. This person really doesn't work very hard.

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Speaker 22: You know, only accept this person if you really need somebody.

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Speaker 22: But nowadays, yeah, all it shows now is that all

1141
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 22: in a shows now is that that student was in

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Speaker 22: the top thirty or forty percent of the distribution.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what is your What does your gap tell you?

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Speaker 10: Do you think that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're warning the universities at the moment that

1146
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Speaker 3: basically their credibility is on the line. But they have

1147
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 3: all of these motivating factors. What does your gap tell

1148
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: you they're going to do? Are they going to stop

1149
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: handing out the a's or just carry on as they are.

1150
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Speaker 22: I think they're going to carry on as they are,

1151
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 22: to be perfectly honest, Okay, I mean I think the

1152
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Speaker 22: government might have a role here. I mean if they

1153
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Speaker 22: think and I'm not saying this because I I'm not

1154
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 22: saying this completely because I hate them, I think that

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00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 22: there's a good reason why individual universities wouldn't do that,

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Speaker 22: because if one university solves the grade inflation problem, then

1157
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Speaker 22: they have harsher grading than the other universities, and then

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Speaker 22: they risk having fewer students because the students are going

1159
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Speaker 22: to go to the universities where the grating is easier.

1160
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Speaker 22: So really there's a role for government here. I think

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Speaker 22: that we have to fix it at the systemic level

1162
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Speaker 22: and so on. The things you can do is make

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00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 22: the student numbers less important for funding allocations, right, because

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Speaker 22: that was one of the things that drives and the

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00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 22: other thing is about student feedback. So make student feedback

1166
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Speaker 22: less important how you assess academics, because those are the

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Speaker 22: two big pressures on academics to give up better and

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Speaker 22: better grades.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant, James, it's good to talk you. Ma'd appreciate it,

1170
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Speaker 3: Doctor James Kysted, New Zealand Initiative Research Fellow.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty a name

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00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle. By the way, twenty away from six,

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Speaker 3: we have Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute in Craig Rennie, Labor

1175
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: candidate for Wellington Bays one stip Craig towards becoming a

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00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 3: future finance minister. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 11: It's fantastic to be nominated. It's fantastic to have the

1179
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 11: news out there and I'm looking forward to being nothing

1180
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 11: other than the candidate for lever for Wellington Bays and

1181
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 11: to be a fantastic representative of the wonderful people of Wellington.

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00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: Oh, listen to you. This is what you said to

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00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: us two weeks ago.

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00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 23: Haven't knownced my candidacy, but I'm not doing.

1185
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: It on this ship now.

1186
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 3: And I hear it Tim Wilson chortling in the background

1187
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: of that clip. Craig, can we just have it? Can

1188
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: you just know as a future labor finance minister that

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Speaker 3: the things that you hear on the show are just

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Speaker 3: so bloody bang on.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I didn't know my candidacy on your show, so

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00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 11: yes you may have. Yes, yeah, but at the time

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00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 11: it wasn't real because I was only selected last week.

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00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're already new Well we could see it

1195
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: we could feel in our waters.

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Speaker 10: Tim, it's in the way you speak, the disposition, the

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00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 10: way you hold yourself, and Craig, I've been working on

1198
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 10: a few slogans for you. So just how about this,

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Speaker 10: Craig really from the CTU, just to help out you.

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Speaker 12: Oh you're not going to go with it.

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Speaker 3: I'll keep it under advice. Brilliant. I love it all.

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Speaker 14: Craig.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations mate, you did. Congratulations for all the ribbing we

1204
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 3: did say we had to get you on just to

1205
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: bully you a little bit. We've done that. Now now

1206
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Speaker 3: we can talk about regional councils. Tim, how good is

1207
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: the news regional councils are going to get the acts?

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00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look it's I think I think politically it's it's

1210
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 10: going to resonate well, as your texters have already said.

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Speaker 10: Does this help national Absolutely it does. You know, you

1212
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 10: never lose if you're going to say local bodies aren't

1213
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 10: up to scratch. But it was actually confusing. There was

1214
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 10: the local level and then the regional level. So clarification

1215
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 10: or at least wiping out that middle layer. I think

1216
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 10: it's going to be helpful. I do want to know

1217
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 10: where the accountability goes for those areas, and I think

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Speaker 10: there are there are arguments for a regional regional bodies,

1219
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 10: say special purpose organizations like public transport in Wellington. Actually,

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Speaker 10: wait a minute, Craig, that could be something for you

1221
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 10: to campaign on, but you know that crosses a few

1222
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 10: jurisdictions and you'd want a regional organization.

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00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 3: For that, Craig. I mean this is obviously in your

1224
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: part of the world. This is going to spark amalgamation,

1225
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: isn't it, Because the Wellington Region Council does things like transport,

1226
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: public transport, and if you don't have them sitting there

1227
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Speaker 3: doing public transport, which is messive, it's just going to

1228
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: make you guys think much harder about joining the councils together,

1229
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 11: I think you're right. I think the challenges is that

1231
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 11: it leaves a bunch of potentially messy outcomes in terms

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00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 11: of transport, water, infrastructure, other forms of infrastructure at the

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Speaker 11: regional council level. In the UK, I used to work

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00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 11: for the grandly titled Association of Northeastern Councils, which essentially

1235
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 11: is what the Government is proposing today, where you had each.

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Speaker 8: Local authority would put someone.

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Speaker 11: Forward and then you'd have a bunch of people who

1238
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 11: made regional decisions. The challenge was was that nothing really

1239
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 11: happened because what you've got was a bunch of people

1240
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 11: in the room who all then disagreed with each other

1241
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 11: because their priorities were their own areas rather than the

1242
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Speaker 11: actual regional needs. And so my question is is anything

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00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 11: actually really going to change as a consequence of this,

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00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 11: because well, the service was still being delivered, those services

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Speaker 11: will still be needed.

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Speaker 3: It's at the planning stage, isn't it. So this is

1247
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 3: what we need to see. This is is part of

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00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: a bigger RM reform, and the bigger RM reform, Craig is,

1249
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 3: we're it's the planning stuff that they do that takes

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Speaker 3: tens of millions dollars and seven years, as Chris Bishop

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 3: was saying, they take that out, they simplify that that's

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Speaker 3: where we make the savings, really, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: I think absolutely anything that preventes greater certainty in planning

1254
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Speaker 11: in sort of in resource management would be hugely welcomed.

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Speaker 11: But the big cost drivers in regional council services are water,

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Speaker 11: are public transport, and they're not hugely affected by this change.

1257
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 11: Because I imagine both of those services will still continue,

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00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 11: and to be frank, they're the areas that need a

1259
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 11: really good look at because we still don't have a

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00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 11: clear picture how many of those bits of infrastructure are

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Speaker 11: actually going to be paid for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we'll take a break and come back

1263
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Speaker 3: to you guys shortly. That's the huddle sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty truly global brand.

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Speaker 3: Back on the huddle, we have Tim Wilson and Craig Grinnie.

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Speaker 3: Tell me, are you worried about the grade inflation where

1267
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 3: the universities are giving out too many a's.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, we should stop calling it great inflation.

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00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 10: We should call it greate erosion because that's exactly what

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Speaker 10: it is if the number of a's is surging. Look,

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Speaker 10: we at Maxim Institute, we do a leadership academy and

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Speaker 10: we do it over summer. It's twelve weeks and we

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00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 10: often hear and these are these young people who are

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00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 10: at university or have just been at university. They'll often

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Speaker 10: say I learn more in that twelve weeks than I

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Speaker 10: did in four years at varsity. So there's a bigger

1277
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 10: issue here, no question.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Craig, I think it's a real

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00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: issue to be looked at.

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Speaker 11: I mean, the report suggested something that's been happening internationally.

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Speaker 11: It's clearly not something that we want to see in

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Speaker 11: New Zealand. But the e's part, I agree there's a

1283
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 11: real challenge there. But if I look at twenty twelve,

1284
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 11: A and b's together were seventy one percent of grades.

1285
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 11: If I got to twenty twenty four, it was seventy

1286
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Speaker 11: three percent of grades. So it is something too worried about,

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 11: and it is something we obviously cleaning to keep in

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 11: check permanently. But I don't know if it's necessarily to

1289
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 11: the same extent to you in New Zealand, then it

1290
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Speaker 11: is perhaps obviously well, what do you.

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Speaker 3: Do tim as a parent, right, or even as a

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00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 3: young person who really is like really properly smart and

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Speaker 3: you want to have that recognized and not just be

1294
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: kind of lumped in with all the other duds who've

1295
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Speaker 3: got a's. Do you do you do you go off

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Speaker 3: to some elite Is that your only option now? To

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Speaker 3: go off to some ivy League university?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: That's look and that's I think what the researcher you

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Speaker 10: had on was that some universities are going to differentiate themselves,

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Speaker 10: because he seemed to think there were universities that were

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Speaker 10: more culpable in this area and others that that people

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Speaker 10: would know about. Now, I don't know about that, but

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Speaker 10: I suspect that might be an approach that some universities

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Speaker 10: will take. Guess what if you don't we actually fail

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Speaker 10: people at this university. I think a lot of parents

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Speaker 10: would go, oh, actually failure is quite productive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too, now, Craig, I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I ask you this question with hesitation because I feel

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Speaker 3: like the answer is going to be no. But do

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Speaker 3: you rate Wayne Brown?

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Speaker 10: Wayne?

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Speaker 11: Wayne is a political character. He is a man who

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Speaker 11: is very successfully taken over Auckland Council. So you know,

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Speaker 11: he was a very competent advisor when he was working

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Speaker 11: for the sixth year of government on the Upper North

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Speaker 11: Island Supply Chaine study. And that's my main dealing I've

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Speaker 11: ever had. So that's that's the best knowledge I have

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Speaker 11: of him to do.

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Speaker 3: As as as now an aspiring politician yourself, is there

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Speaker 3: anything that you could learn from him? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: You could you know, use a few Wayne Brown tricks?

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Speaker 11: Well, one of the things I wouldn't One of the

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Speaker 11: things I might not take away from him him is

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Speaker 11: his desire to shout free beer in a public meeting.

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Speaker 11: I'm not sure that's necessarily turning the temperature down or

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Speaker 11: helping with the you know, the niceties of diplomatic debate

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Speaker 11: and something that's particularly challenging issue. So I might not

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Speaker 11: take that from him, But he's clear speaking in elsewhere,

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Speaker 11: and certainly his popularity I would yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you remembered him, but

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Speaker 3: when he first started, we all thought he was going

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Speaker 3: to be rubbish and he's not at all.

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Speaker 10: Oh, absolutely, And you know what was the margin of

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Speaker 10: his over one hundred thousand. He won by what's clear.

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Speaker 10: What's clear is that this is the end of focus

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Speaker 10: group politics. We ran this through the focus group, and

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Speaker 10: we think you should message it this way. No people

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Speaker 10: and the word you used for this authenticity. Now my

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Speaker 10: question though the Wayne Brown has you know, if you're saying, oh,

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Speaker 10: Laxel and Hipkins are like me, is that really our

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Speaker 10: message for you?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I know what he was trying to say

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Speaker 3: is they should be they're trying to well, they're trying

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Speaker 3: to be like me, and I would say yeah, probably,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think it would help. Now, okay, Craig,

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Speaker 3: have you got I mean you're an economist, you'll be

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Speaker 3: fully into the black Fried ideals. What have you managed

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Speaker 3: to secure?

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Speaker 11: I haven't secured anything. I've been so busy recently. Have

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Speaker 11: done lesterally zero Christmas shopping, which is not great news

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Speaker 11: to my family, especially seeing is most of them live

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Speaker 11: in the UK and traveling time was enormous, so.

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Speaker 10: I've done very little of it.

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Speaker 11: I do very little internet shopping anyway.

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Speaker 3: What why do you not have the internet on your phone?

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Speaker 11: I do have the Internet on my phone. But I'd

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Speaker 11: like to figure you for saying this. I'm a big

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Speaker 11: fan of ninja shopping.

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Speaker 3: That's that I get.

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Speaker 11: I go out to the shop, I get what you

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Speaker 11: need and I leave.

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Speaker 2: About.

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Speaker 10: It's bloke shopping, Craig, there's bloat shopping. I just go

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Speaker 10: for one thing and we're not going to muck around

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Speaker 10: walking around.

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Speaker 11: Exactly ninja shopping in out, nobody noticed. It's all done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean obviously, but you did pay. I

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Speaker 3: just need to clarify that, did you do you are?

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Speaker 3: You're doing the ninja shopping you're doing any of the

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Speaker 3: online shopping for the Black Friday.

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Speaker 10: Okay, so Zeru Brazerkos. It's the nerve gun you have

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Speaker 10: when you're not having a nerf gun. You can shoot

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Speaker 10: twenty seven meters away eight darts and seconds even more

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Speaker 10: if you use some more rounds, and it's about half

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Speaker 10: price in sane amounts of darts. That's what the kids

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Speaker 10: are going to love.

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Speaker 3: You are the father of four boys, aren't you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I'm standing. I'm standing in in neurse gun

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Speaker 10: bullets as I speak. I think that the neurth gun

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Speaker 10: bullets are rising above my throat. I think you're losing touch.

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Speaker 10: I can't, I can't hear you.

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Speaker 3: All right, off you go, you two, Thanks very much,

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Tim Wilson, Maximumsitute. Craig Renny, Labor candidate for

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Speaker 3: Wellington Bays Labor candidate. Like we said, eight away from six, it's.

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Speaker 1: The Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Heather, perhaps Chris Bishop left his office to go to

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Speaker 3: the loo. I don't think. I don't think Chris Bishop

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Speaker 3: left his office to go That was quite funny. Actually,

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Speaker 3: did you want to do you want to hear it again.

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Speaker 3: This is where Chris Bishop left his office because he

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Speaker 3: didn't want to have to answer the question that Thomas

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Speaker 3: was asking him, which was whether he was going to

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Speaker 3: lose his seat on current polling.

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Speaker 19: I think, I think, I think, I think, I think

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Speaker 19: we've dealt with all the ephemeral relative to the.

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Speaker 7: One of them.

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Speaker 19: I've got a three fifteen to talk about resource management reforms,

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Speaker 19: so we got to get to that. Hey, thank you

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Speaker 19: very much everyone.

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Speaker 3: That is quite funny when you leave your own office

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Speaker 3: to end the meeting and then have to come back

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Speaker 3: to your own office for the next meeting, because I think,

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Speaker 3: I think, I think, I think, poor old bitch. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is like way too much pressure.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 21: If the texture is right, and he was leaving to

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Speaker 21: go to the bathroom, it's an interesting way to say it,

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Speaker 21: to say, oh, sorry, I've just got a three fifteen because.

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Speaker 3: As we know, as we know, you're right, as we know,

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Speaker 3: and we've discussed this on the show. If you want

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Speaker 3: to end a conversation, the bathroom is the legit excuse, right,

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Speaker 3: and you can go new clear where if the person

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Speaker 3: doesn't get the hint, because look, there are humans out

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Speaker 3: there who you can try to break up. Then they

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Speaker 3: just don't. You just go, I have diarrhea, So like

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Speaker 3: you do not need and you don't need to cover

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Speaker 3: for the toilet.

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Speaker 21: Like the toilet is the excuse it maybe it acts

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Speaker 21: like you're going to throw up as well. Yeah, will

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Speaker 21: get right out of your way.

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Speaker 3: In the bush needed to go to the loo. He

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Speaker 3: just needed to say he goes, he need to go,

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Speaker 3: so he didn't need to go to the loo. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: it's a really long winded way of going. No, Chris

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Speaker 3: Bishop was just trying to stop answering questions from Thomas Coglin. Hither.

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Speaker 3: I'm a professor and the reason we have so many

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Speaker 3: A grades is because we get pinged by the administration

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Speaker 3: and the funding for failing students. What that means is

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Speaker 3: we have to give sees to people who should actually fail,

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Speaker 3: and that then has a ratchet effect. Heather University credibility

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Speaker 3: has been through the floor for the last five years,

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Speaker 3: if not more. It is known in employment circles not

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Speaker 3: to trust the grades. Thank you John for that. Apparently

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Speaker 3: what employers are doing now is if you rock in

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Speaker 3: from you know, Otago Auckland, the university that's not actually

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Speaker 3: a university, which is the aut Auckland University of Technology

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Speaker 3: University or Lincoln or one of these ones. You're rocking

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Speaker 3: with your Hey, look I got an a. They go, yeah, whatever, mate,

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Speaker 3: And they're apparently doing tests now they are actually employers

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Speaker 3: are doing their own tests to see if you're actually

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Speaker 3: smart or if you're not, because the university doesn't guarantee

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Speaker 3: that at all, does it. Anyway? Listen, we'll talk to Dion,

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Speaker 3: a regional counselor from down in christ Church and get

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Speaker 3: his take on the government scrap in the regional councils.

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Speaker 3: He's with us next, Oh, what's up?

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Speaker 2: What's down?

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Speaker 1: What were the major calls and how will it affect

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Speaker 1: the economy? The big business questions. On the Business Hour,

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Speaker 1: we hand the dupericy Allen and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance,

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Speaker 1: Your futures in good Hands News talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour from Terra's

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Speaker 3: lowood its milk price forecast, we'll have Jamie mckaye talk

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Speaker 3: us through that. Paul Bloxham on what kind of recovery

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Speaker 3: he thinks we're actually going to see next year, and

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Speaker 3: of course what the size of the cut will be

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Speaker 3: tomorrow and then end of Brady will do the UK

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Speaker 3: for you seven past six. Now, regional councils will be

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Speaker 3: going the way of the dinosaur under the government's RMA changes. Instead,

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Speaker 3: their consenting powers will shift to new combined territory boards

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Speaker 3: made up of mayors from the affected region. Dion Swiggs

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Speaker 3: is the chair of the Canterbury Regional Council and chair

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Speaker 3: of our local government New Zealand Regional and he's with us. Hi, Dion, Hey,

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Speaker 3: good ey, Heather, how are you very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: What do you make of this announcement.

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Speaker 23: Yes, it's definitely the it's definitely come out and it's you.

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Speaker 23: We're saying that it's the biggest change to local government

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Speaker 23: since the nineteen eighty nine reforms, so it is massive.

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Speaker 23: It's a big change.

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Speaker 7: You like it.

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Speaker 23: We've only seen it for the last hour, so it's

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Speaker 23: hard to say whether we like it or not. But

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Speaker 23: it is definitely going to change how regional councils work

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Speaker 23: in the country and that's going to be a big

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Speaker 23: change for a lot of people who have just been

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Speaker 23: elected into those roles.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that a board of mayors will do

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Speaker 3: a better job than elected councilors.

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Speaker 23: Mayors are elected for a different mandate meors at the

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Speaker 23: moment who are elected because they want to get into

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Speaker 23: their communities and do that work that they're doing in

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Speaker 23: those communities. They were not expecting to then also be

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Speaker 23: on the board of a regional council in two years time.

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Speaker 23: So I do think that there might be some mayors

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Speaker 23: will go great, yep, we want to get our hands

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Speaker 23: on that regional council. There will be others who will go,

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Speaker 23: this is not my jam. I don't want to do that.

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Speaker 3: What are you thinking, Do you think they'll do a

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Speaker 3: better job.

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Speaker 23: The regional councilors have been elected to do the work

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Speaker 23: that they want to do, and it's the staff that

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Speaker 23: actually deliver the work. And I think that's the critical

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Speaker 23: part here, is that the staff are actually the ones

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Speaker 23: that are delivering the work. Regional councils are just a

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Speaker 23: governance layer of doing the work. But we are elected

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Speaker 23: because we do want to do the work of a

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Speaker 23: regional council. A mayor has been elected because they want

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Speaker 23: to do the work of a district council.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's part is obviously the first. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you have to see it in its context. It's the

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Speaker 3: first step in what is going to be a lot

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Speaker 3: more change, and ultimately what it's going to end up

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Speaker 3: with is you can have the mayors doing this kind

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Speaker 3: of regional work and the planning is where things are

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Speaker 3: really going to change and there's going to be a

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Speaker 3: lot more I want to say standardization. I suppose of

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Speaker 3: the plans that we have across the country. Are you

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 3: on board with that?

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01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely, And I think what we do have is that

1513
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 23: we as a country have got into a bit of

1514
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 23: a muddle around Resource Management Act or the different layers

1515
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,799
Speaker 23: that are in that. So it's not necessarily regional councils

1516
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 23: who have been the handbrake on let's say the economy

1517
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 23: or getting things done. It's the system that we operate

1518
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 23: that's been the problem. And the last government recognized that

1519
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 23: they wanted to do rm A reform. This government has

1520
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 23: also now repealed that last one and doing another round

1521
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 23: of rm A reform. The rubber is going to hit

1522
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 23: the road around the r and ma A reform. But

1523
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 23: what we've also got around what the work of regional

1524
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 23: councils is we've got a whole lot of other functions

1525
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 23: that aren't just RMA that we need to deliver. This

1526
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 23: is public transport. There's biosecurity. That's that's crosses borders and

1527
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 23: crosses boundaries of territorial authorities. We've got flood resilience and

1528
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 23: we've got massive amounts of flooding problems that we have

1529
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 23: across the country with the ever increasing weather impacts that

1530
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 23: we have. These are regional functions that are absolutely critical

1531
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 23: and they must stay at regional levels so that you

1532
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 23: can get that economy of scale and get.

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01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: That work done.

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 3: Deon, is it fair you sound a bit shocks by

1535
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: what's been announced today?

1536
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 10: Is that fair?

1537
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 22: Well?

1538
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 17: Yes, it is, it is, it is.

1539
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 23: It's fair to say that I think a lot of

1540
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 23: people are probably going to be a little bit shocked.

1541
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 23: We've only just received this information in the last hour.

1542
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 3: All right, Dion has always appreciate your time, mate. That's deon' sweath,

1543
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 3: Chair of Canterbury Regional Council, also chair of our local

1544
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 3: government New Zealand Regional Heather do for see Alan, Yeah,

1545
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 3: Simon's not going to be on the show today. This

1546
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 3: is Simon Watts. Obviously I want Simon on the show today,

1547
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 3: but to be fair, I'm going to cut Simon some

1548
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 3: slack because it is a big day for him because

1549
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: he is in cohotes with Chris Bishop. Was both him

1550
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 3: and Chris Bishop who were announcing the stuff today because

1551
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: he's the local government minister. But I'm not going to

1552
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 3: give up on getting Simon Watts on the show. So

1553
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 3: if Simon thinks that he declined US today and that'll

1554
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: be the end of that, and there's not going to

1555
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 3: be the end of that. I have now bought a

1556
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 3: dog with a bone on this thing, because if you

1557
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 3: listen to Nicola Willis on the show last night, you

1558
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 3: will be as confused as I am.

1559
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 24: She says, the reality is we're not going to be

1560
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 24: buying overseas carbon credits. That won't see how we do it.

1561
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 24: We're telling me billions of dollars I.

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01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 3: Guess, so we're not sending billions of dollars off shore.

1563
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 3: But it doesn't explain. I'm so confused because Simon told

1564
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 3: Newsroom that in fact he was setting up the mechanisms

1565
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 3: and the deals in order to be able to buy

1566
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 3: the offshore carbon credits and in order to send the

1567
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: money overseas.

1568
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 24: So she says, Simon Watts is the right person to

1569
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 24: characterize his comments and give you a detailed response on that.

1570
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 24: I'm not going to get inside his mind and start

1571
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 24: giving you answers. He will have something to say on that,

1572
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 24: so I think talk to him about it.

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 3: We're going to talk to him about it. Laura, have

1574
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 3: you tried again for tomorrow or are you going to

1575
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: leave it till tomorrow? Yeah, she's already on to it.

1576
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 3: The German has already asked again for tomorrow Wednesday, and

1577
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 3: then we will ask for Thursday, and then we will

1578
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 3: ask for Friday, and then we'll ask for Monday, and

1579
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 3: we will just keep going and one day Simon has

1580
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 3: to come on the show to talk about something he's

1581
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: stoked about, and then we'll talk about this. Thirteen past six,

1582
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 3: It's the Heather.

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01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,679
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1585
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Speaker 3: Heather, that's BSRE the weather. It's the weather events causing flooding.

1589
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 3: It's the regional councils not clearing the gravel building up.

1590
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 3: That is actually a fair point if you remember how

1591
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 3: wide all were flooded. Remember and it flooded a couple

1592
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 3: of times by memory, and the most recent time that

1593
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 3: it flooded wide Word has now launched class action against

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01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: hawks Bay Regional Council because they reckon the problem was

1595
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 3: the river flooded its banks because the regional Council didn't

1596
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 3: come and clear the clear the river mouth. So and honestly,

1597
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 3: if you go back and look at what Hawks Bay

1598
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 3: Regional Council has been up to reweather and the role

1599
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 3: that it played in cyclone. Gabrielle, I think you will

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01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 3: be very happy to see the back of hawks Bay

1601
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 3: Regional Council for the people of hawks Bay would be

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01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 3: saving them from a lot of misery caused by that

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01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 3: particular council. Not going to cry any tears over that.

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01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 3: Sixteen past six.

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on hither due to see Allen Drive.

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay hosts the Countries with us.

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01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 7: Hello, Jamie, can I Heather and I can tell you

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 7: it'll be some farmers in Canterbury who might be doing

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01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 7: some assaults at the moment. It means for demise of ECAM.

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01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 7: They haven't exactly been farmer friendly. And I must say,

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 7: as someone who's domiciled in Dunedin, what the hell the

1612
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 7: Otago Regional Council is doing running the buses that chug

1613
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 7: around Dunedin mostly empty? I might add, instead of the

1614
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 7: needon city counts or bog you know, it begs It

1615
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 7: begs the question who should actually be running them? And

1616
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 7: I think I just hope they don't replace this bureaucracy

1617
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 7: with a worse one. But anyhow, a farewell to the

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 7: regional council. Shane Jones said he'd do it, and he has.

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01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 3: And don't let the door hit you on the way out,

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01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 3: we say to them, Yeah, okay, Fonterra. So this was expected,

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01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: wasn't it.

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 7: Yep, farming's worst kept secret is out.

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01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 17: It's out a week early.

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01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 7: They were going to come out with their quarterly update

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01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 7: early next week. But I spoke to Myles Hurrel on

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 7: my show today and he said, look, we did the

1627
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 7: numbers over the weekend. If you've got the information, we

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01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 7: don't know you're sitting on it.

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 17: We mars will get out there and tell the farmers.

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01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 7: So that midpoint is now nine dollars fifty. The range

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01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 7: is nine to ten, but still begs the question why

1632
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 7: they started And I threw this at Miles and he

1633
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 7: duck for cover a wee bit. But they started the

1634
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 7: season at eight dollars to eleven, and logic would suggest

1635
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 7: the midpoint there is nine to fifty, but they chose

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01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 7: a mid point of ten, remembering they paid ten dollars

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 7: sixteen last season. Also interestingly, today's cut is the first

1638
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,719
Speaker 7: mid season cut Fonterra has made to its forecasts since

1639
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 7: twenty three. And that's because we've had a rising plane

1640
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 7: of price as whole milk powder. As we all know,

1641
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 7: we've had seven drops in a row. It's twenty percent

1642
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 7: off its peak back in May. The other problem is

1643
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 7: when the prices go up, the taps get turned around

1644
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 7: turned on, not.

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 17: Only here in New Zealand.

1646
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 7: New Zealand farmers are about four percent up on production,

1647
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,560
Speaker 7: but also right around the world where they divert, for

1648
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 7: instance in America cheap grain into milk production. Look, as

1649
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 7: we said, we knew this was coming. A and Z

1650
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 7: cut its forecast to nine sixty five. Recently, the B

1651
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 7: and Z went to a nine to fifty. No surprise

1652
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 7: at all. It does affect other farmers supplying other dairy

1653
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 7: companies as well here because the likes of sin Lay

1654
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 7: Milk and Westland milk products basically peg what they paid

1655
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 7: the farmers to the Fonterra milk price. So if I

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 7: can stay at nine to fifty, well, I think we'll

1657
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 7: still do okay the Warriors, it might sneak below that.

1658
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fair enough. What's going with McDonald's and the

1659
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 3: price of beef.

1660
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 7: Well, I just came across some numbers and I think

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01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 7: I've got a credit. Are n Z for this story

1662
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 7: about McDonald's and how effectively important it is for New

1663
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 7: Zealand and especially the beef industry. Ninety percent of their

1664
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 7: menu and their one hundred and seventy restaurants around the

1665
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,799
Speaker 7: country is sourced from local farms.

1666
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 2: That's good.

1667
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 7: It's spending two hundred and thirty five million here in

1668
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 7: New Zealand on local produce beef cheese buns, but it

1669
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 7: also exports them. So last year, the American owned franchise

1670
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 7: or subsidiary use six thousand tons of locally sourced beef

1671
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 7: for sale here domestically, but it exported thirty thousand tons

1672
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 7: of it making up. Wait for this, ten percent of

1673
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 7: New Zealand's total beef exports responsible for what McDonald's are doing.

1674
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Speaker 7: They serve. Here's an interesting stat for your Heather. Seventy

1675
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 7: million people a day plus Donald Trump, and they use

1676
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 7: two percent of the world's beef. And the burgers or

1677
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 7: the beef's twenty percent more expensive than it was at

1678
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 7: the start of the year. If you want to know

1679
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 7: what that means for your cheeseburger, the patty that goes

1680
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 7: inside your cheeseburger is now ten cents more expensive than

1681
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 7: it was at the start.

1682
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 2: Of the year.

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 3: Now it all adds up. I suppose, Hey, how rich

1684
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 3: is Sue's Redmain. What do you think about that?

1685
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 7: Oh right, I was just about to go and grab dinner,

1686
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 7: he Heather.

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01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 17: I thought we were over, But Sue's Red Mate be up.

1688
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 7: Well, Sue's Redmain.

1689
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, four million dollars worth of property. That's not

1690
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 3: doing too bad. It's a life goal, isn't it.

1691
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, but we've got to wear with We're but careful

1692
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 7: with this one. The Herald did a report on this

1693
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 7: one over the weekend or something like that. So sus

1694
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 7: is topping the rich list. Christopher Luckson's second, Barbara Kuruger,

1695
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 7: another farmer, is in third place, and I beg I

1696
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 7: threw the question out there is Parliament returning to the

1697
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 7: sixties the domain for rich farmers? Well, I don't think

1698
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 7: it really is, because Andrew Hoggard was also up on

1699
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 7: the Rich list, but he said when they worked out

1700
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 7: the value of his farm, they forgot to take off

1701
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 7: the half that his mum and dad owed, and they

1702
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 7: also forgot to take off all the money he owed

1703
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 7: to the bank. I don't know SUS's personal farming operation,

1704
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 7: and it's a very good one. They do some great

1705
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 7: work where they're farming. They're a very good farming operation.

1706
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 7: Now they may well be debt free and have a

1707
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 7: farm worth eighteen million, but I suspect that may not

1708
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 7: be the case. All we can say is that Hogart

1709
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 7: is richer than win Winston's eleventh on the list. Willie

1710
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 7: Jackson's the top labor guy at seventeenth and surprise, surprise,

1711
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 7: no Green or the Party. Mari MP's Make Our Top twenty.

1712
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise anyone. Jamie, thanks very much, really appreciate it.

1713
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 3: Jamie mckaie, Hosts of the Country. Yeah, I saw this

1714
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 3: come out, Yesterda Sugzari's main who you are if you like,

1715
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 3: I don't know who that is. That's because she's the

1716
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 3: first term MP and she's the MP FO Rang it's

1717
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 3: a kay, but she owns a she's she's the wealthiest

1718
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 3: in terms of property, twenty four million dollars worth of property.

1719
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: And I thought, I know what you're doing here, Harold,

1720
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 3: trying to wind them up, aren't you. I'm not wound up.

1721
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 3: I thought good on her, Good on her six twenty two.

1722
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro's micro or just plain economics. It's all

1723
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duper, c Allen and

1724
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance. Your future is in good hands,

1725
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: News Talks FB.

1726
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 3: Here the Hawks Bay Regional Council is useless. It's time

1727
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 3: to say tatar as a person impacted badly in the cyclone.

1728
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 3: They are useless. Mate, we can see that. Okay. Everybody's

1729
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 3: doing the numbers on Razors season right, in fact raises

1730
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 3: last two seasons, and I have to say, if you

1731
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 3: actually look at the statistically, it is not looking good

1732
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 3: for him. So when you look at the last season,

1733
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 3: this is Mark Hinton who's crunched his numbers right. The

1734
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 3: last season, he's won ten ten tests and he's lost three,

1735
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 3: and it kind of looks okay. Over the last two

1736
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 3: years he's had he's got twenty wins seven losses. Still

1737
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 3: kind of looks okay. But this is where Mark Hinton's

1738
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 3: crunching of the numbers actually starts to get interesting. If

1739
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 3: you count, like, get rid of the what he calls

1740
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 3: the road kill sides, right, these are the sides that

1741
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 3: obviously the All Blacks are going to beat them and

1742
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 3: absolutely thrash them. Don't worry about them, nobody cares about them.

1743
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 3: Just count the matches that involve the top six nations

1744
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 3: in the world, the actual proper competition. Over the last

1745
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 3: two seasons, Raises only had eleven decent wins and he's

1746
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 3: had seven losses. That's a sixty one percent hit rate.

1747
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: That's not great. Twenty six past six.

1748
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1749
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 3: Fun, thank you well, all right, everyone's doing the concert films.

1750
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: Taylor Swift's done with the Eras tour. She got two

1751
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollars at the box office. Yon says,

1752
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 3: done one with a Renaissance tour. One of the best

1753
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 3: concert films of all time. Apparently Billie Eilish wants a

1754
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 3: slice of that success. She played a trailer exclusively to

1755
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 3: the fans who came to the final night of her tour,

1756
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 3: and it's about a concert film obviously. Now, the thing

1757
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 3: that's interesting about this is that she's not doing this

1758
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 3: by herself. She has got in as in a co director.

1759
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 3: It's Billie Eilish as a co director. The other co

1760
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 3: director is James Cameron, as in yes, we can call

1761
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 3: him a KEYWI now can't we? I mean, you know

1762
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 3: why not? It's got a New Zealand passport, So the

1763
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: key we James Cameron is a co director. He has

1764
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 3: never done work on a concert film before, but this

1765
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 3: is where his expertise might come in. The thing is

1766
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 3: in three D. Now we can have a debate about

1767
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 3: whether you should bother watching, you know, a concert film

1768
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 3: in three D or just go and watch it in

1769
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 3: three D in real life at the concert. But if

1770
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 3: you've got a diehard Billie Eilish fam in your fan

1771
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 3: and your family, you are going to want to mark

1772
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 3: the calendar for March twentieth next year because you're going

1773
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 3: to be at the movies. We see little weird glasses on.

1774
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 3: Aren't you keep a look out for that one?

1775
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: All right?

1776
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 3: Paul Bloxham is going to be with us next. Now

1777
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: what we want to talk to him about is obviously

1778
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 3: the size of the cut tomorrow, but the size of

1779
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 3: the recovery next year, because depending on who you talk to,

1780
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 3: we're either going all guns blazing next year or it's

1781
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 3: going to be just a little bit stink better than

1782
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 3: now but still a bit stink. So Paul Bloxham on that.

1783
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: Next everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business

1784
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: hour with the head of Duper c Allen and Mass.

1785
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 2: Motor Vehicle Insurance. Your future is in good hands. Used

1786
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: talks'd be.

1787
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 3: Wender Brady's going to be us out of the UK

1788
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 3: and ten minutes time head I thought you might find

1789
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 3: this funny. Staff members flying totaling as a christ Church

1790
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,879
Speaker 3: six am flight canceled this morning due to issues. Rebooked

1791
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 3: for Wednesday. That's tomorrow, told just now due to whether

1792
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,560
Speaker 3: event tomorrow flight is being canceled. She has to be

1793
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 3: in Christ's Church for work. What can we do but

1794
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 3: never book with air in New Zealand If we need

1795
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 3: to be somewhere around time, it's less than useless. Yep,

1796
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 3: tell you what I mean. Can I just make this

1797
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 3: point that I think that the ongoing because this is

1798
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 3: not the first text I've had about in New Zealand,

1799
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 3: and no I haven't even mentioned it. I'm still getting texts,

1800
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm still fielding texts. Just the level of discussion that

1801
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 3: continues shows you the deep angst we're feeling about in

1802
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 3: New Zealand. And in New Zealand, better get on to this,

1803
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 3: because this is what you get before you lose your customers.

1804
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 3: If they don't get onto it, they're going to find

1805
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 3: us next year flying the Orange one and then going

1806
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 3: how do we get them back? And you never do

1807
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 3: twenty four away from seven Paul Bloxham, HSBC Chief Economists

1808
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 3: with us right now, Hey, Paul.

1809
01:22:58,120 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 12: Good eight.

1810
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 3: So tomorrow twenty five basis point cut. That's it, isn't it?

1811
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 22: I think?

1812
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 4: So.

1813
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 12: I think they're going to cut by twenty five basis

1814
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 12: points tomorrow.

1815
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 13: I think the key thing to watch out for is

1816
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 13: what they have to say about it and where they're at.

1817
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 13: And I think they're going to still they're going to

1818
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 13: cut by twenty five and I think they're going to

1819
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 13: say that they will still leave the door open to

1820
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 13: the possibility that they might have to cut a little

1821
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 13: bit further yet, So I think it's still the case

1822
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 13: that they're focused on the weak growth story rather than

1823
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 13: worried about inflation pressures at this point, and so, you know,

1824
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 13: leaving the door open trying to get the economy to

1825
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 13: get going, particularly ahead of you know, they've got a

1826
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 13: three month gap now until the next meeting until February,

1827
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 13: and of course the new governor that's arriving at the

1828
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 13: rbnzet as well, So trying to get the economy to

1829
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 13: turn around ahead of that.

1830
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 12: I think that's what the aim will be.

1831
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 3: What are you expecting for the economy next year, Paul,

1832
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 3: because I know that we're I mean, I saw your

1833
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 3: last production, correct me if I'm wrong, about two and

1834
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: a half percent or thereabouts, and the other banks according

1835
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 3: around about that as well, up to three percent. But

1836
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 3: the numbers that we're seeing in the dart so that

1837
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 3: we're seeing just makes you feel a bit nervous, doesn't it.

1838
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, it does make me nervous.

1839
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 13: We do have a number which is a bit over

1840
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 13: two percent in terms of growth running into next twenty

1841
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 13: twenty six and I think you know that the challenge

1842
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 13: has been that it has taken longer for growth to

1843
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 13: pick up than we expected. We expected this year might

1844
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 13: be a bit better than it was in the end,

1845
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 13: but it has been weaker. But I think the two

1846
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 13: key mechanisms are still there that should get things going.

1847
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 13: The first one is interest rates have come down a

1848
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 13: long way, and of course they've come down even further

1849
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 13: and as I say, likely to come down a bit

1850
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 13: further tomorrow again, and that should start to feed through

1851
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 13: to a bit more consumer spending and some support for

1852
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 13: the housing market as well. And the other one is

1853
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 13: that dairy and meat prices have been very high, so

1854
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,839
Speaker 13: the agricultural sector has done very well and those payouts

1855
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 13: are starting to arrive and that income is starting to

1856
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 13: slosh into the economy. And although it's mostly in the

1857
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 13: South Island, I think some of it will start to

1858
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 13: feed through to the broader economy as we run through

1859
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 13: next year as well. I don't think this is a

1860
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 13: strong growth profile, but this is a recovery after to

1861
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 13: what will turn to have been two quite.

1862
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 12: Weak years in terms of New Zealand's economic performance.

1863
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 13: So two years of economic weakness followed by a modest

1864
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 13: recovery is what we've got factored in to the story.

1865
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 3: Have you faxed in the possibility that everything that's freeing

1866
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 3: up on account of the official cash rate coming down

1867
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: is simply being hoovered up by increasing rates, so actually

1868
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 3: you don't end up with that much disposable cash.

1869
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 12: I think this is still feeding through.

1870
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 13: I think the main thing that we've seen that's been

1871
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 13: quite slow is people fixing shifting off their fixed rate

1872
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 13: mortgages and rolling over those fixed rate mortgages to lower rates,

1873
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 13: and that's been one of the things that has slowed

1874
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 13: things down. I think, you know, if you sort of

1875
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 13: look back and think about what else has held up

1876
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 13: the recovery, I mean, I think it's taken you know,

1877
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 13: the fact that you had such a big housing cycle,

1878
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 13: house price cycle, you know, a forty five percent rise

1879
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 13: in house prices through the pandemic and then sort of

1880
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 13: an almost twenty percent decline in house prices, so a

1881
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 13: lot more I think people you know had bought in

1882
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 13: and are still facing house prices that are low lower

1883
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 13: than when they purchased them.

1884
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 12: And I think that's probably been something.

1885
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 13: That's that's been weighing on New Zealand more than we

1886
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 13: anticipated earlier in the year, So that's that's one of

1887
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 13: the features. And then and then as a consequence of

1888
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 13: the weaker economy, of course, you've seen this outward migration

1889
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 13: story which is weighed on population growth. So there's quite

1890
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 13: a bit that has to turn around. But I think

1891
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 13: the big mechanisms for getting it to turn around are there.

1892
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 13: They're working, you know, with lot of interest rates and

1893
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 13: as I say, high high commodity price.

1894
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I should clarify what

1895
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 3: I meant by rates was council rates, because obviously we

1896
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 3: could talk about any kind of rates, but that I

1897
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 3: feel like that sucked up a heap of our disposable income.

1898
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 3: But I mean, you'll bang on. You know, the wealth

1899
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 3: effect will be part of it. So when you take

1900
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 3: everything into account, are you still sticking with your projection

1901
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 3: of two and a half.

1902
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 13: So I was a bit over two percent running into

1903
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 13: next year. And as I say, I think the main

1904
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 13: way I'd characterize it is after having last year where

1905
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 13: growth GDP went backwards, and this year where on average.

1906
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 12: It's not going to have grown very much at all.

1907
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 13: You know, if two years of weakness are followed by

1908
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 13: a growth of a bit over two percent. That's you know,

1909
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 13: that's still that's just a modest recovery. When you think

1910
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 13: about it, it's not a strong picture. It's just a

1911
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 13: it's just a recovery.

1912
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. Hey listen, Paul, always brilliant to talk to you,

1913
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 3: and we'll talk to you again very shortly. That's Paul Bloxham,

1914
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: HSBC's chief economist, twenty away from.

1915
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 2: Seven Heather duper c Ellen.

1916
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, gosh On Council rates lord above Wellington City Council.

1917
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 3: So there's good news and there's bad news. Hey, I'm

1918
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 3: going to I'm going to front load us to the

1919
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 3: bad news. The bad news is Wellington rate payers, you

1920
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 3: have been paying a whole bunch of people you shouldn't

1921
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 3: have been paying. It turns out Wellington City Council has

1922
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 3: about three hundred and thirty staff more than it actually needs.

1923
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 3: It's running. This is Wellington City Council. It is running

1924
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 3: per one thousand households twenty three point three full time employees.

1925
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 3: In comparison, the average territorial council is only running seventeen.

1926
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,839
Speaker 3: So Wellington's running twenty three point three per one thousand households.

1927
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 3: The average one is seventeen. Way too many stuff going

1928
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 3: on there. If they cut the jobs. This is a

1929
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 3: report that's just been commissioned by and it's been conducted

1930
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: by Deloit but carried out by Deloit. If they cut

1931
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 3: the jobs down to the appropriate number, they could possibly

1932
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 3: save up to thirty seven million dollars. At Wellington City

1933
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 3: Council and the workforce there is about eighteen hundred people.

1934
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Speaker 3: I mean, eighteen hundred people is enormous anyway. It just

1935
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 3: goes to show that three hundred and thirty is a

1936
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Speaker 3: giant chunk of eighteen hundred people. If they just cut

1937
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 3: the managers they think they don't need, so not even

1938
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Speaker 3: people who actually do the work, just the managers who

1939
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 3: are managing the people who do the work. They may

1940
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,959
Speaker 3: have to cut as many as one hundred and seventeen managers.

1941
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Speaker 3: Now the good news. So the bad news is that's

1942
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 3: why your rate sweed up by as much as they did.

1943
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 3: The good news is it looks like the guy who's

1944
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 3: running the place, the new chap who's come in from

1945
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 3: somewhere in Britain. I can't remember exactly where he's from,

1946
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 3: but it sounds like he's got the right idea here

1947
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 3: because he's come in, he's commissioned this report by Deloitte

1948
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 3: and this is what it's found. He's made this public,

1949
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 3: so I would expect that you should see some actions.

1950
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Speaker 3: And it's been reported as there will be job losses

1951
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 3: in Wellington City Council and you think you'd hope so

1952
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 3: so I think you guys might be in Wellington just

1953
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 3: turning a corner and heading off in the right direction.

1954
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 3: Because between this guy and Andrew Little dealing with Golden

1955
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 3: Mile and all the cost blowouts by Tory, I think

1956
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 3: we're onto something here.

1957
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Speaker 2: Now.

1958
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Speaker 3: There is a piece in the spinoff that has caused

1959
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 3: me to think a lot about this today. And the

1960
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 3: headline is why are New Zealand driver is so agro?

1961
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 3: Now New Zealand drivers are agro? Like, we can be

1962
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 3: honest about this. I mean I raised this with the

1963
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 3: team before and then Sam the producer was it was

1964
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 3: regaling us with the time on Friday where he got

1965
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 3: cut off by a car and he was agro with

1966
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 3: that car. That car incidentally turned out to be Tyler,

1967
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 3: as in Matton Tyler. So they sorted that out between themselves.

1968
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 3: But everybody's got an agro story, don't they anyway, the

1969
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 3: chap has written the piece for the spinoffs, has I

1970
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 3: think come close to maybe explaining this. I still feel

1971
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 3: like there's something missing in it, Like there's probably some

1972
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 3: sort of like you know, collective national trait that we

1973
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 3: need to deal with about, you know, like bottling up

1974
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 3: our emotions and gunny sacking everything and then exploding. I

1975
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 3: feel like that's the thing that we do. But I

1976
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 3: think he's got gone to something here. So as the

1977
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 3: argument is, basically, we do not enjoy driving. It is

1978
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 3: not a pleasure for us, right because we have the

1979
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 3: highest rate of car ownership in the world. Our cars

1980
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 3: and our cities and our towns and our suburbs are

1981
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 3: all designed basically around cars.

1982
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Speaker 17: Right.

1983
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 3: You can barely walk anywhere that you need to go to.

1984
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 3: You probably have to drive to the mall, drive to

1985
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: the supermarket. It's hard to cycle because it's not safe,

1986
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. So everybody ends up in cars, and

1987
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 3: then you end up jamming up the roads because we're

1988
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 3: all in the cars, and then you can't get to

1989
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 3: the place that you need to go to fast because

1990
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 3: you know, Tyler's sitting in front of you and cutting

1991
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:40,640
Speaker 3: you off and making you angry, so the whole thing

1992
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 3: just becomes an incredibly stressful experience instead of being pleasurable.

1993
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 3: And that's why we're agro. Anyway, I feel like that

1994
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 3: goes some way to explaining it. I feel like there's

1995
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 3: just that we need to do a deep dive and

1996
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 3: psychological deep dive into what's going on in this country.

1997
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Speaker 3: But we need to also just tone it down, don't we.

1998
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Speaker 3: Sixteen away from seven.

1999
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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

2000
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mare's motor

2001
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: vehicle Insurance. Your futures in good hands, US talks, it'd

2002
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 1: be hither.

2003
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Speaker 3: I'm missing the rock star economy, Grant. We all are

2004
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 3: missing the rock star economy.

2005
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Speaker 2: Hey.

2006
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Speaker 3: By the way, apparently the reason that all the flights

2007
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,560
Speaker 3: are being canceled and stuff has got nothing to do

2008
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 3: with it. Well, it's always got something to do with enusum,

2009
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 3: but it's actually largely due to the esh from White Island,

2010
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 3: because that little thing is playing with us again. Thirteen

2011
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 3: away from seven into Brady UK corresponds with us, Hello, Enda.

2012
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Speaker 8: Hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

2013
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Speaker 3: So you're suffering your own brain drain apparently.

2014
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 8: Yes, and this is all self inflicted. So an awful

2015
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 8: lot of very rich people are leaving the UK. The

2016
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 8: big story of the week is it's budget day tomorrow

2017
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 8: and much of what is coming has been trailed already.

2018
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 8: So more taxes on big houses, taxing electric vehicles per

2019
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 8: mile driven. Basically, Rachel reaves, the Chancellor needs to get

2020
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 8: serious money in a black hole of anywhere between forty

2021
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 8: and sixty billion Z dollars in public spending, depending on

2022
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 8: which expert you speak to. That's a hell of a

2023
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,679
Speaker 8: black hole to fill. And what's happening is inheritance tax

2024
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 8: will change as well. The super rich are getting very,

2025
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 8: very worried about this and they are leaving in their droves.

2026
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Speaker 10: Now.

2027
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 8: Over the weekend we found out that a guy called

2028
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 8: Lakshmi Mittal, Britain's richest man, worth somewhere in the region

2029
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Speaker 8: of about thirty to forty billion en zed he has

2030
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Speaker 8: had enough and he's bailing out too. So it's left

2031
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Speaker 8: to the rest of us to pay our taxes.

2032
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Speaker 3: Now, what do you expect is going to happen in

2033
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Speaker 3: Budget Day?

2034
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Speaker 8: I think it'll be a tough budget. All the mood

2035
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 8: music from labor people have been speaking to this week

2036
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 8: is that this will be a budget that helps the

2037
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 8: working families. But I'd be curious to see who they're

2038
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 8: taxing is working families. So they're saying that if you

2039
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 8: were anything above forty pounds eighty kN z a year,

2040
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 8: you're not a working person anymore, that you're somehow entering

2041
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 8: the elite band. And I if that's true, an awful

2042
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 8: lot of people don't feel it. I can tell you

2043
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Speaker 8: that much. We've still got inflation running at three point

2044
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Speaker 8: six percent here. I think it's going to be a

2045
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Speaker 8: tough budget. But Rachel Reeves and Keir Starmer they need

2046
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 8: to get this right because elections are looming in May.

2047
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Speaker 8: On the local front.

2048
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So on the text thing, what are you expecting?

2049
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Speaker 8: Well, as I said, I think the strange ones are

2050
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 8: taxing electric vehicles per mile driven. I mean, we already

2051
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 8: pay road tax, so why should I not be taxed

2052
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 8: on a petrol vehicle I have? And my neighbor has

2053
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,679
Speaker 8: an EV and he must pay tax per mile driven.

2054
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Speaker 8: I can see legal challenges on that.

2055
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Speaker 2: Perhaps.

2056
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Speaker 8: I think people living in very big houses will be

2057
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 8: going up a council tax band and paying more. I

2058
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 8: don't think they're going to play with income tax, because

2059
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 8: that was part of the manifesto they came in on,

2060
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Speaker 8: that they would not raise income tax. But the phrase,

2061
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 8: and this is hilarious. We even heard a radio show

2062
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Speaker 8: last week with a Swedish author who had written a

2063
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 8: book called Smorgas Board about dat Swedish recipes and basically

2064
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 8: the phrase being used is a small gas board of

2065
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 8: small tax rises. So they're going to hit us everywhere.

2066
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Speaker 2: Basically.

2067
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Speaker 3: Goodness. Yeah, And so tell me does this make Kyastama's

2068
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 3: position more precarious or not?

2069
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Speaker 8: So what you read on that, I think he's toast

2070
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 8: From everything I've been hearing around Westminster last ten days.

2071
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 8: There are moves afoot keep an eye out for the

2072
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 8: Health secretary Wez streeting and the feeling is even The

2073
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 8: Times newspaper this morning is saying that inside the Labor

2074
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 8: Party they're having a conversation now whether they have a

2075
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 8: coronation for Wes. That basically one candidate is put up

2076
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,799
Speaker 8: and he ousts Armer, probably after the male local elections,

2077
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 8: which are likely to be disastrous for Labor Reformer doing

2078
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 8: so well at the moment, I think what's likely to

2079
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 8: happen is Starmer will get past Christmas, that Labor will

2080
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 8: limp towards these local elections, lose badly, and then there

2081
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 8: will be the ousting of Starmer because smart people in

2082
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 8: the Labor Party will think we need a politician back in.

2083
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 8: God help him. He's a very decent man. He's a

2084
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,600
Speaker 8: very intelligent man. But he is not a politician.

2085
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 2: He is a lawyer.

2086
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 8: And I think in the world we live in now

2087
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,959
Speaker 8: where Nigel Farage just seems to be waltzing through interviews

2088
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 8: and going up in the polls every day, he can

2089
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 8: say anything and the most outrageous things and people are

2090
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 8: just nodding and agreeing with it, I find it very

2091
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:38,839
Speaker 8: very strange.

2092
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hei, thank you very much. Inda, really appreciate your time.

2093
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 3: Mate into Brady UK corisponding, you know how I was

2094
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,479
Speaker 3: saying before, Wayne Brown is really good at what he does.

2095
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 3: Wayne Brown's got the same thing that Nigel Farage has got,

2096
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: that Boris Johnson has got, that Margaret Fetcher head, that

2097
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 3: Donald Trump has got, that John keyhead, that Helen clarkhead.

2098
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 3: It's all the into city. It's the same thing. All

2099
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 3: you need to do is be yourself and people can

2100
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 3: decide if they like you or not. They probably respect you,

2101
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 3: but it's the kirst Arma doesn't have it. We go

2102
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 3: as far as saying Chris Luxon hasn't got it, Heather,

2103
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 3: not just agro on roads, but on the cricket pitches

2104
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 3: and schools and hospitals and homes. We're just becoming whiny

2105
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 3: and angry about everything, Heather. I disagree with you on

2106
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 3: the driving. My wife and I enjoy driving. Our cars

2107
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 3: was sixty plus and we just work around these other

2108
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 3: dicks on the road. Great show is always thank you

2109
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 3: eight away from seven.

2110
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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

2111
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB either.

2112
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 3: No wonder New Zealand drivers are agro too many or

2113
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 3: untrained and competent drivers not indicating refusing to drive at

2114
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 3: or near the speed limit, hogging the right motorway lane

2115
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,679
Speaker 3: while driving slow, don't give way, campmache like I zip

2116
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: on their damn phones. Somebody's somebody's No.

2117
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 21: I don't think that was the Texter who said they

2118
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 21: enjoy driving.

2119
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Speaker 3: I'll just have before.

2120
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Speaker 21: I think it was a different text.

2121
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 3: No, that's the text to sitting behind them. Yeah, they're

2122
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 3: not happy about that one. Hey, I read this thing

2123
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 3: today and I thought, Jay, is that is my worst nightmare?

2124
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 3: Is this your worst nightmare? There was a lady in

2125
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 3: Thailand who died and they chucked her in the coffin

2126
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 3: and like she she'd stop breathing two days ago, right,

2127
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 3: she'd been sick for ages, she'd been bedridden for ages,

2128
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,679
Speaker 3: and then she stopped breathing, stopped responding. So her brother

2129
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 3: was like, ah, well that's that. Then so chucked her

2130
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 3: in the coffin, drove her to the temple. The temple

2131
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 3: was just outside of Bangkok. They got her ready, they

2132
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 3: were taking her through to the cromation and then ah,

2133
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 3: she was knocking from inside the coffin and she was alive.

2134
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 3: She wasn't dead at all. Is this not your worst nightmare? Anyway?

2135
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 3: It's my worst nightmare. It's hideous. And then found what

2136
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 3: did you what?

2137
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,839
Speaker 21: It's from a bookhead of the book of Worst Case Scenarios.

2138
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 21: You can find some of the content online and worst

2139
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 21: case just if you just look for Google worst case

2140
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 21: scenarios directions and had.

2141
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 3: So google how to escape your coffin if it's been buried,

2142
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:02,759
Speaker 3: and there is like a strategy for how to get.

2143
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 21: It step by step instructions for what happens. If this

2144
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 21: wouldn't have helped this lady as much though, because this

2145
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 21: is fair if you're buried rather than heading for a ferrymatorium.

2146
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 3: But it's very stressful. When he was reading it, I

2147
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 3: was getting more and more stressed out. So just like

2148
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Speaker 3: make sure that you're.

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Speaker 21: So if God forbid it does happen, then you'll probably

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Speaker 21: just be so stressed you won't remember any of the instruments.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I'll have time. I'll have time, and what

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Speaker 3: have you got?

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Speaker 21: Forever by the Veronicas to play us out Tonight. The

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Speaker 21: Veronicas are coming back to New Zealand. They'll be playing

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Speaker 21: two shows at Urban Jungle Festival, which is going to

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Speaker 21: be happening in Auckland and Victoria Park on the fourteenth

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Speaker 21: of March, and christ Church in six to seven. That

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Speaker 21: bit of the red Zone. They've opened up for gigs

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Speaker 21: that'll be on March the twenty first. Pretty decent support

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Speaker 21: lineup as well, David Dallas and Ricky Reid, some local

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Speaker 21: stars will be playing and so drum and bass as well,

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Speaker 21: IRA Diagnostics, bish Is Gwine should be good.

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Speaker 2: Cool.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that and we'll see you tomorrow look

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Speaker 3: after yourself. This will zip.

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Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to

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Speaker 2: news talks.

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Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio