1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Jeremy Hutton, Milford Acid Managements with us. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 2: Hey, Jeremy, good evening, Heather. 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Were you surprised by the fact that there was a 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: twenty year deal with Typoint. 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the news that everyone who follows the 6 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: New Zealand electricity sector had been waiting for eagerly, and 7 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: it was a positive, positive news. And yes, the deal 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: length was a surprise. So Meridian Energy, who is the 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: primary negotiator, had requested a longer deal than the normal 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: or the previous three yearly deal cycle, and Rio Tinto, 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: who's the owner of the smelter, liked to play hardball 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: around the shorter timing in the past, so effectively, Meridian 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: was seeking the longer term, a more meaningful deal and 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: something that it gives a sector more opportunity to invest 15 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: long term and of course give the local community done 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: in South lond and more certainly around jobs and opportunities 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: as well. 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: What do you reckon this means for new renewable projects 19 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: in the country. Will more of them get built? 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? It should be a large positive for new renewable 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: builds in New Zealand and the ty smelter is a 22 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: really large user of electricity in the country around twelve 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: to thirteen percent of total electricity demand, and if the 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: smelter had exited, it would have left the electricity market 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: and a heavy oversupply, and this incentive to build for 26 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: developers would have been gone probably for the rest of 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: this decade. 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: And a smell to exit would have impacted our country's 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: electrification plans. 30 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: Do you think, yeah, my viewer would have. It would 31 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: have impacted our ability to decarbonize and electrify materially. I mean, 32 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: we do as a country need to produce a lot 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: more electricity to meet our total country carbon commitment goals. 34 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: And the gentailers and other developers have been building a 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: large amount of view generation already, mainly on the back 36 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: of growing demand from things like electric vehicles and data 37 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: centers that we know. But now the gentailers and other 38 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 2: developers will be you know, they have that certainty to 39 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: commit to more generation and they are long term projects, 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: so they need that certainty. And there are some great 41 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: wind projects that I think will kick off on the 42 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: back of this, particularly down in the Deep South were 43 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: there is some great resource. Unfortunately it's really close to 44 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: large users like the Tey smelter as well. 45 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: That's good stuff and what happened to the share prices 46 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: of the gen Taylor's. 47 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, the size of the positive reaction was a surprise 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: to me. I mean, the market had been anticipating a 49 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: ty Stay deal as likely, so part of the good 50 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: news was factored in already. But there is always some 51 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: risk that the exit scenario could play out, and that 52 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: was in the price a little bit too, Albeit it 53 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: was small in this instance. So you saw a small 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: pop of between three and five percent for the big 55 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: three gent tailors, so Meridy and Mercury and Contact. But 56 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: there was always also a bit of other action. On 57 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: that day, there was a large passive index rebalancing event, 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: and that generally happens on the last trading month of 59 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: the last trading day of the month, and these passive 60 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: funds tend distort the market a little bit. When that 61 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: hit in the last hour, those share prices took another 62 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: leg up and Meridian finished up ten percent on the day, 63 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: which is really a few move for a steady gin 64 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: Taylor like Meridian. 65 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: I tell you what. Jeremy, thank you, Jeremy Hutton, Milford 66 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Asset Management. Hey have you with one of the mum 67 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: and dad in Vistas buying into these companies when the 68 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: country sold down, Chuch hang good move from you. 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