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Speaker 1: On the huddle of us this evening, Thomas Scrimser, Maximum Institute,

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Speaker 1: Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings, and Q and I

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Speaker 1: at Q and A high Lads, what.

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Speaker 2: Was that you think? Q and I? Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this is news to me.

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Speaker 1: Questions and inquiries obviously, what do you reckon, Thomas? Is

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Speaker 1: this going to fly in Australia? More MPs?

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether it would fly. It's hard to,

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Speaker 3: I guess, talk people into more politicians. But I'm for it,

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Speaker 3: but not for reasons of representation. I don't really care

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Speaker 3: about electric sizes too much. But what I think is

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Speaker 3: really important in having enough politicians is that it decreases

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Speaker 3: the chance that any single MP has a hope of

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Speaker 3: getting into government. Therefore the artists persuaded by their own party.

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Speaker 3: Now in New Zealand, for example, when we don't have

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Speaker 3: a heap of MPs, we have the most whipped parliament

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Speaker 3: in the world because everyone's wanting to rise through the ranks.

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Speaker 3: You know, look at the UK would have got you know,

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Speaker 3: four hundred or so. People have way less because way

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Speaker 3: less likelihood of achieving high offers to more like to

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Speaker 3: go against their own team when they stand on conscience,

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Speaker 3: So more MPs can actually lead to a better parliament.

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Speaker 1: I reckon I'd be okay with that, Jack. If we

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Speaker 1: could do a little swap Sea, Like if we could

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Speaker 1: cut out some of the wards and boards in Auckland

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Speaker 1: and places, get maybe rid of some counselors around the

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Speaker 1: country and get some more MPs, that could be a

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Speaker 1: fair trait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I fos to Pomis's point, though, the greater

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Speaker 2: number of people you have maybe the better quality of debate,

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Speaker 2: or at the very least, if you're able to avoid

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Speaker 2: a system where everyone's being whipped the whole time, then

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Speaker 2: you might have a few politicians who are happy to

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Speaker 2: go against their kind of you know, their tribal routes,

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Speaker 2: and go for the idea or policy that they think

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Speaker 2: is best. Yeah, it's always a very difficult sell, isn't it. Either,

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Speaker 2: Like to put yourself on the shoes of most other voters.

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Speaker 2: If we say we have this many more politicians, this

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Speaker 2: meant more salaries, it's much more expense. It's not usually

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Speaker 2: a big vote winner. The other thing to keep in

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Speaker 2: mind in Australia, though, and the sort of thing we

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Speaker 2: don't have to consider with our councils here is that,

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Speaker 2: of course, at the federal election level in Australia you

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Speaker 2: have compulsory voting. So I don't know what the analysis

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Speaker 2: suggests it would mean in terms of support for the

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Speaker 2: major parties, the coalition, that kind of thing, but that

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Speaker 2: is another dynamic that I'm sure in front of mine

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Speaker 2: for elbow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Okay, Now what do you think Thomas

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Speaker 1: of the propose shakeup of the road rules?

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Speaker 2: Do you like it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I think you know beshof to argument that

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Speaker 3: these are are mostly about making the law reflect to

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Speaker 3: what currently happens. You know, it makes a lot of

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Speaker 3: sense and so on that front, I agree. I do

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Speaker 3: worry about this. They wanting to tidy up that can

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Speaker 3: you ride your bike on the footpath? And they're going

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Speaker 3: to make the age twelve. The problem is currently we're

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Speaker 3: ignoring the law because no one remembers it or understands

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Speaker 3: it anyway. But as soon as we deliberately say yes,

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Speaker 3: we're now going to put an age in it, are

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Speaker 3: actually going to enforce that age. If we're going to

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Speaker 3: we should just leave the status quo. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure about the twelve years old cutoff for riding bikes

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Speaker 1: I reckon, I agree, I agree, but for a different reason, Jack,

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Speaker 1: I reckon. What we should do is we should just say, look,

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Speaker 1: if you can't ride your bike safely on the road,

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Speaker 1: you can ride your bike on the footpath. But this

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Speaker 1: is a gift to you from the pedestrian, so ride slowly.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's pretty fair. I mean I, as

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Speaker 2: you know, am an enthusiastic cyclist and being the big

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Speaker 2: rule breaker that I am a real bad boy of

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Speaker 2: broad cast journalists in the New Zealand. You'll be stunned

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Speaker 2: to hear Heather. That's from time to time I swing

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Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen anyone being stopped for riding

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Speaker 2: on the footpath. But there is a degree of personal

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Speaker 2: responsibility to come to it. The thing with fyclists being

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Speaker 2: going to be riding that fast to begin with, right,

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Speaker 2: I think if you are a fully grown adult absolutely

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Speaker 2: and that represents a real problem. So, as with everything,

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Speaker 2: it's a balance. I think.

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Speaker 1: I actually think, though, Thomas, part of the problem here

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Speaker 1: is that people just need to chill out about sharing

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Speaker 1: the space with other people because you get texts from

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Speaker 1: you know, there'll be kids who are riding on the

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Speaker 1: footpath and getting told off by other people. Isn't isn't

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Speaker 1: this just about us all try it? Lord? I mean,

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Speaker 1: can we make a rule for rubbing along nicely with

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of the problem, right, is that no

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Speaker 3: because you know, we don't have someone to enforce it

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Speaker 3: everywhere all the time. You know, this level of road

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Speaker 3: rule is so minor. And so you're right, I think

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Speaker 3: he hands off general courtesy. People have to learn to

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Speaker 3: figure out how to live together in a society. So

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Speaker 3: no rule is going to be a magic bullet. And

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Speaker 3: you know, don't be an idiot is probably the best

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Speaker 3: one we could write down.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I think yep, I would agree with that entirely.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break. Come back to these guys short, right,

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Speaker 1: you're back with a huddle. We've got Jack, Tam and

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Speaker 1: Thomas Scrimger. Jack What do you make of the primary

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Speaker 1: teachers refusing to settle their payoffer because they want the

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Speaker 1: treaty recognized.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not not the sort of thing

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Speaker 2: amount of support from a lot of parents who are

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Speaker 2: just really really sick of heaving the threat or indeed,

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Speaker 2: you know, actual disruption for the schooling. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: good to see the good to see the principles have signed.

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Speaker 2: I suppose part of the always does have a degree

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Speaker 2: of sympathy for anyone teaching. There's no one knew if

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Speaker 2: I could do it. But yeah, I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of people will look at their detam and say that

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Speaker 2: should have signed.

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Speaker 3: Tell us, well, I think if you've got Jack Tame

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Speaker 3: offering that level of defense of your decision, that's probably

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Speaker 3: pretty harsh words if it was coming from anyone else. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think the primary teachers are going to struggle to

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Speaker 3: holding up settling on their contract for treaty settlement, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, treaty recognition things. Because the curiosity is, of course,

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Speaker 3: what's backed into their collective bargaining agreement. So it seems

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Speaker 3: like a really curious bit of a bit of negotiating

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Speaker 3: to do. So I'm not sure what their plan is.

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Speaker 1: No one knows what they're up to. It's so weird

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Speaker 1: and they're not talking about it now. Jack, did you

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Speaker 1: sit down and watch any of Trump's speech?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't watch the whole thing, I'll be

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Speaker 2: honest with It was an hour and forty seven minutes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, Like on.

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Speaker 1: The scale though of Trump's speeches that we've seen, this

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Speaker 1: one was kind of He wasn't completely unhinged, was.

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Speaker 2: He No, I reckon, it was just kind of standard Trump.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like super extreme Trump. But it wasn't like

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Speaker 2: non extreme Trump either. I mean, there are a few

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Speaker 2: bits that I thought were interesting. I listened to him

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Speaker 2: lot of criticizing Iran, but not a lot of laying

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Speaker 2: next few days. I mean, there was plenty of kind

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Speaker 2: of exaggerating, and you know, classic Trump isms. I think

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Speaker 2: he said the crime in Washington, DC was down one

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Speaker 2: So I don't feel about how they can be down

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent. But I mean, yeah, an hour and

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Speaker 2: forty seven minutes. The thing Trump's speech is, if you

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Speaker 2: an achievement in the cell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that anybody would have watched that

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Speaker 1: entire thing. Thomas, our correspondent BO was saying earlier on

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Speaker 1: at least Americans get to sort of see him because

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean everybody consumes the sort of thing on

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Speaker 3: social media now in clips. So Trump's figured out you

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Speaker 3: You just throw everything at the wall, see what sticks,

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Speaker 3: be cut up to be shared on social media. The

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Speaker 3: other problem is, you know, with the state of the Union.

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Speaker 3: It's a stand up round of applause every minute. It's

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Speaker 3: the most infuriating thing ever. You watch a train of

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of that that high school graduation.

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Speaker 2: I think the one thing we can get from the

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Speaker 2: state of the Union. It's just how divided the Union is.

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Speaker 2: And this applies to presidents of all strife. But you

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Speaker 2: watch it, Yeah, half of everyone standing up and tiering,

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Speaker 2: the other half refusing to cheer the most basic things,

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Speaker 2: and it just reminds you of how dysfunction all that

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Speaker 1: It actually is a good point, Thomas, What do you

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Speaker 1: reckons the problem with the townhouses? Why aren't they selling well?

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Speaker 3: Because the people trying to sell them are trying to

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Speaker 3: charge too high a price. You know, most people in

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Speaker 3: would choose a standalone house. But if a townhouse is

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Speaker 3: willing to buy it. So I think having a lot

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Speaker 3: So I think this is good news. It's a success story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also think Jack, it goes some way to disproving

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Speaker 1: the idea that we need two million houses in the city.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's I don't think we're getting two

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Speaker 2: million houses in awkward overnight, and even with the change

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Speaker 2: is one point six over night. The idea is that

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Speaker 2: you zone for that many, right, so that you zone

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Speaker 2: for a potential of that marriage.

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Speaker 1: What I mean people have got so hung up on

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Speaker 1: the fact that it's been reduced from two to one

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Speaker 1: point six. This proves it doesn't actually matter because you

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Speaker 1: don't need one point six. You don't need to you

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Speaker 1: don't need to stress out about that reduction. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, I don't think the sugestion was ever

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Speaker 2: that we would actually build that maximum number. I just

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Speaker 2: think that they had to zone in lots of different

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Speaker 2: But to your broader point, do we need to zone

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Speaker 2: for lots more houses? Well, I mean that zoning rule

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Speaker 2: was for decades from now, so over time we're going

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Speaker 2: to have to But yeah, I mean, it certainly shows

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Speaker 2: that demand has dropped for the time being, and costs

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Speaker 2: as one component. One other thing I'd noticed that the

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Speaker 2: populationships over the last couple of years. I think we

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Speaker 2: had population growth of zero points seven to the year

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Speaker 2: ending June. The year before was one point seven. The

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Speaker 2: year before that was two point three. So there's been

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Speaker 2: a big drop in the last couple of years. That's

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Speaker 2: reflected in the rental prices, but it might also be

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Speaker 2: reflected in this demat yep too.

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