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Speaker 1: Now, there's been a fair bit of attention over the

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Speaker 1: weekend on the resours consent requirements that Ikea had to

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Speaker 1: meet to build the Sylvia Park store. Now, this included

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Speaker 1: consulting with seven man of Fenu were groups on water

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Speaker 1: and land management, and also inviting man of Fena were

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Speaker 1: to perform katakia and other cultural ceremonies on the site

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Speaker 1: at least three separate times. Chris Bishop is the minister

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Speaker 1: responsible for RMA reforming with us now, Hey Bush, Hello,

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Speaker 1: are you happy with this or you're going to change it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I've read it over the weekend from Simon Cord

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Speaker 2: who put it out, and I just thought, oh, jeepus creepers,

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Speaker 2: here we go again. Is this at the stuff that

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Speaker 2: drives people absolutely bonkers? Right? And it's exactly the reason

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Speaker 2: why we are ultimately repealing and replacing the RMA with

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Speaker 2: new legislation. It's the sort of red tape that just

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Speaker 2: gets in the way, It drives up the cost, makes

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Speaker 2: it too hard to do in this country. Imagine having

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Speaker 2: to go through all that just to build an Ikea.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as David Seymour said, you know this is

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Speaker 2: why we can't have nice things in New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me what part of the RMA allows

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Speaker 1: this to happen.

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Speaker 2: There are sections of the r M A around engagement

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Speaker 2: with Manafenawa and local EWI and cultural impact assessments and

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Speaker 2: things like that. The whole there's the whole suite of

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Speaker 2: pieces of legislation or pieces of the RMA that will

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Speaker 2: allow this. But to be honest, councils go way too

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Speaker 2: far and people who grant consents go way too far

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Speaker 2: on this stuff. So some of it is authorized by

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Speaker 2: the Act and we're changing the Act to get rid

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Speaker 2: of that. But it's also a cultural thing where councils,

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Speaker 2: you know, randomly add this stuff into resource.

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Speaker 1: So this is an al thing.

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Speaker 2: It's well, yeah, ultimately counsels are the ones who who

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Speaker 2: grant resource consents under the RMA, so but it's but

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Speaker 2: it's fundamentally it's the authorizing statute and that's why we're changing.

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Speaker 1: So if you change the RMA, how can you change

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Speaker 1: it to avoid Auckland Council just interpreting your future RMA

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Speaker 1: exactly like this.

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Speaker 2: So you've got to put in really strict guard rails

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Speaker 2: to actually prevent make it not legal to do those things.

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Speaker 2: And that's what Simon Court and I are going through

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Speaker 2: at the moment where where you know, literally we are

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Speaker 2: donkey deep at the moment receiving you know, hundreds of

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Speaker 2: pieces of paper each and every week, going through making

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Speaker 2: detailed decisions around this stuff. And we are I just

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Speaker 2: want to assure everyone listening, we are so keen and

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Speaker 2: clear on making the act simpler and making it easier

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Speaker 2: to do things, and we are just got an absolute

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Speaker 2: focus on stripping out the bureaucracy of the stuff. You

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Speaker 2: do need some things, but you know, as simple as possible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But what of the things that you have seen

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Speaker 1: here with IKEA do you want to make sure cannot

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Speaker 1: happen under your new RMA.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think, for example, that it should be

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Speaker 2: you should be allowed to make it mandatory to invite

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Speaker 2: representatives of Man of Fenua groups to engage in curre

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Speaker 2: care on sites that should not be a mandatory resource

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Speaker 2: consent requirement before the commencement of earthworks or immediately prior to.

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Speaker 1: Completely What about what about having to consult with Man

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Speaker 1: of Fena will on things like erosion and sediment control measures,

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Speaker 1: stormwater treatment and planting now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that should be required. I do think

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Speaker 2: I just want to stress I do think there is

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Speaker 2: a role for marfenoa in the resource management process. It's where,

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Speaker 2: for example, you are affecting take for example, a site

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Speaker 2: of significance to the local the local EWI for example,

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Speaker 2: where they haven't an elder who's buried, or a cammarto's

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Speaker 2: whose passed, or there was a par in the past,

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Speaker 2: or there was a battleground those things. I think most

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Speaker 2: reasonable people would say, well, you actually you should if

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Speaker 2: you want to do something, you should go and talk

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Speaker 2: to the people affected by it. But stuff like you know,

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Speaker 2: storm water treatment, planting, ecological enhancements. I'm reading the resource

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Speaker 2: and sent now erosion and sediment control. I mean that

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Speaker 2: that is just standard operating to seaure. That's just there's

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Speaker 2: just stuff that you do to build something.

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Speaker 1: There's just go and talk to how do we get

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Speaker 1: to this place that this is a requirement mona FENA

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Speaker 1: will must be afforded access to the site at their discretion.

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Speaker 1: So they just basically say, hey, we want to come

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Speaker 1: and have a look, and everything has to be stopped

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Speaker 1: at the discretion they should be allowed on how did

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Speaker 1: that happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, exactly, it's the r m A. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: just it's a condition of the resource consent.

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Speaker 1: Society, like the fact that this is the fact that

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Speaker 1: an authority like Auckland would decide that this has to

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Speaker 1: be in there. So is that we've gone quite far

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Speaker 1: in our heads, haven't we?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it's an unfortunate reality of the

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Speaker 2: world we live in and that's why we're changing it.

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Speaker 2: This government was elected to kind of get rid of

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Speaker 2: this sort of stuff and that's what we're going to do.

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Speaker 1: Hey, as Minister of Housing, what are you going to

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Speaker 1: do about the maybe hundreds of thousands of homes that

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Speaker 1: have not met the healthy home standard ahead of tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Well, that the law of the law. People have got

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Speaker 2: to crack on and get on with it. The good

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Speaker 2: news is most people have followed.

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Speaker 1: The law you're looking at, because some of those those

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Speaker 1: surveys that were in the papers yesterday said the vast

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Speaker 1: majority haven't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well a lot, you know, a lot of landlords

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Speaker 2: have have moved heaven on earth over the last four

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Speaker 2: or five years to comply. But message lands who haven't

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Speaker 2: is get on with.

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Speaker 1: It on, Hey, thank you very much. Chris, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Chris Bishop, minister responsible for RAMA reform, also

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