1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Wrapping the political week that was is our senior political correspondent, 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Barry Sober. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again, Heather. Do you think, 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: given the amount of discussion that there has now been 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: about whether there's going to be a co Recrysluxan, does 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: he need to flush this out. 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: On day Most definitely he should, I think before the 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: year ends, go and talk to his caucus. Put it 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: to them that look where laborers at the moment. You've 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: got the Green saying that they will revoke mining licenses 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: if are part of a government. Of course they have 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: to get agreement out of labor on that. And then 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: you've got the Maldi Party, which is in no condition 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: to be anywhere near the government benches at the moment. 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: So essentially you've got labor on the ropes, whereas you've 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: got the coalition government head headed by National in a 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: much stronger possession. And the only reason that Chris Luxon 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: hasn't really got any treaditya his traction. Traction is the 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: word I'm looking for, traction. The only reason he hasn't 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: got any attraction is the fact that, look, this economy 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: was in a parlor state when the government took it over. 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: It takes time to turn it around, and people are 22 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: still hurting, and when people hurd it's the mood of 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: the public that really wins or loses elections. So my 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: pick is that next year we're going to see the 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: economy pecking up in terms of GDP. You'll see the 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: next figure will I would imagine, be one of growth, 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: and you'll see the mood of the nation changed to 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: some extent, and then you'll see the National Party will 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: be not as strong as it has been in the past, 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: but at least it'll be treading back to where it was. 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: Do you think Chris Luxon's good at the job? 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I think he's I think he relates 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: very well to the public when he goes out and 34 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: meets them, But it's hard to get traction when you're 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: in a government that's seen by many he is not 36 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: doing enough to get this economy going again. 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Okay, now I didn't get enough time to talk to 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: you about this enough earlier, so read the thing with 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: David Seymour and Winston Peters. What I thought was interesting 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: was yesterday David Seymour said that Winston was behaving like 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: he wants to go back to labor and he'd done 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: that about two o'clock in the afternoon, and then he 43 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: was on our show at half plus five and he 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't repeat it. Had Winston told him off in the 45 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: intervening period, Has he been given the telling off? No, 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: I don't think because it's not a cool thing to say. 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: What what what? Winston said? No? 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: What day? 49 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: David Seymour had said. 50 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: No, yeah, I did Winston telling. 51 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: The thing is that Winston's shrewd enough politician to not 52 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: personalize stuff, whereas David Seymour he personalized the attack on Winston, 53 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: saying that he doesn't know where he's going and what 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: are you talking about? 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: Winston called him a cuckold. 56 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: Very early on here, that that was you mean now 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: they got him to coalition? Oh? Absolutely, Winston knows how 58 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: to play the coalition game, even though it's playing to 59 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: all of us that he's out there campaigning at the moment. 60 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 2: And certainly this Regulatory Standards Act now is one that 61 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: he says. Look, when it was originally proposed during the 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: Coalition negotiations, there was a clause in it that it 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: would go to referendum. Well that was dropped and the 64 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: final analysis and the excuse that he made was when 65 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: Casey Costello got up in Parliament and praised the bill 66 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: and said the House should be supporting this bill. Winston 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 2: was overseas and he said he's not blaming she's not 68 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: blaming Casey, but he said, you know they've gone too 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: far and our campaign against it, well, look that's what 70 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: they're entitled to do. It was an act party piece 71 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: of legislation, and act in New Zealand first have never 72 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: been bad buddies, really. 73 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all. What's happening this 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: weekend with the Maori Party? Are they having the meeting 75 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: or are they not having the mate? 76 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: They are having the meeting and in the far North 77 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: who he is and it's the teetay toque voters Moremento 78 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: Kappa Kinghy, the executive of the Maldi Party, is saying 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: we're not coming along, okay. 80 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: So that's why I thought the meeting's off because they're 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: not coming, But the meeting's carrying on with. 82 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: He's carrying on without the man. Look, and I think 83 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: Nata Glavish will be speaking at that meeting and she 84 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: is no friend of John Tammerherry in fact, in the 85 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: past has said that he should go for the sake 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: of the party. So you'll see a lot of that repeated, 87 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: but it'll be Teeta tokab on their own in a 88 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: way that the executive won't be there. But I think 89 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: the executive giving them the cold shoulder is a mistake. 90 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: If the hanahar Aware, as you know, said earlier this week, 91 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: why don't we get around the table get back together. 92 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: But that's not going to happen either. So you've got 93 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 2: a fractured Maori party, not good for Labor, but happily 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: for the national party. They would say, well, this is 95 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: a good thing. Labor's on the ropes. Well they're talking 96 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 2: leadership there though. 97 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: Why it's just and they're going to be on the 98 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: Graham Norton Show. What's she's selling? You're only on it 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: when you're selling something. 100 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 2: She's what she's selling your autobiography and still well that 101 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: and there's a movie I believe has come out, so 102 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: she'll be selling that as well. And look, would you 103 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: like or dislike Jason da Durn When I traveled overseas 104 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: with her for many years, the media scrambled to have 105 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: her on their programs, and Stephen Colbert in the United 106 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: States on the Late Show was a good example of that, 107 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: and she invited him, went and picked him up at 108 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: the airport when he came here. A bit too much 109 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: for a prime minister. But nevertheless, she loves the publicity. 110 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: She's getting more of it. And I'll tell you what. 111 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: On December the twelfth, you can watch You're on TV 112 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: and zed on the Graham Norton Show. 113 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: Can not Wait, Barry, thank you very much. It's very 114 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: sober senior political corresponding. 115 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 2: For more from Hither dou Classy Allen Drive, listen live 116 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 117 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.