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Speaker 1: Now a fair bit of chat today about what happened

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Speaker 1: with the football and Pooka Koe. This is the one

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Speaker 1: that charged into the jewelry shop. What happened is the

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Speaker 1: football leaped from a moving car and headed into the

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Speaker 1: jewelry shop this is Michael Hill, and then lunged for

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Speaker 1: a small dog that was already in the shop. The

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Speaker 1: woman who was working in the shop ran over to

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Speaker 1: intervene was able to subdue the pitbull, but in the

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Speaker 1: process tore her rotator cuff as the football lunched. Football

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Speaker 1: Zoner was issued an infringement dog was required to be

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Speaker 1: nuted in muzzle. The woman who was working in the

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Speaker 1: shop with Stacy Penn. Hi, Stacy, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you? Do you reckon? The punishment

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Speaker 1: for the owner was fair.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't actually why I don't because I think

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Speaker 2: when you have a dog like that, you should be

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Speaker 2: held responsible for the actions.

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Speaker 1: What were the actions? I mean, here's the thing. I

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Speaker 1: love being tough on dogs. But did the dog bite anyone?

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Speaker 2: No, it will bit the other dog. But the fact

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Speaker 2: that she'd already been warned previously and still chose to

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Speaker 2: drive around with her dog in a car. She'd been

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Speaker 2: told to muzzle it and didn't muzzle it. So it's

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Speaker 2: not the first time it's happened, is that right?

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Speaker 1: So this so okay? What had happened before this?

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Speaker 2: What were the circumstances, According to the council, she had

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Speaker 2: been warned before, as they said in the Herald interview.

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Speaker 2: The council responded saying she had been worn previously.

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Speaker 1: Warned for what for the dog biting other dogs or

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Speaker 1: chasing other dogs?

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Speaker 2: Chasing?

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Speaker 1: Okay, And she had been told to muzzle the dog

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Speaker 1: in public.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she had, and they reiterated that, yet she hadn't

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Speaker 2: done it. It was actually noted as an aggressive dog. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I love dogs. I've had dogs in the

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Speaker 2: past having a little break at the moment mine passed away.

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Speaker 2: But I think that it's just it's like being Look, honestly,

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Speaker 2: if you had a toddler that has been an absolute

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Speaker 2: little bugger, would you you know, if you're in public,

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Speaker 2: would you blame the parent or the toddler? I would

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Speaker 2: blame the parent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point. Okay, So that you say the dog

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Speaker 1: did actually bite the.

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Speaker 2: Kaboodle, she had a go at it. Yes, the luckily

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Speaker 2: the kaboodle was very hairy at the time, and I

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Speaker 2: only sustained a few nips. I got in there pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: What would have happened if you guys weren't there to

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Speaker 1: pull the dogs apart?

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Speaker 2: I think the kabudle would have probably been attacked severely

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Speaker 2: and bitten.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very soon, Stacey Town. I'm quite harsh on dogs

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Speaker 1: because I do have a toddler and I hate the

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Speaker 1: idea of you know, I think dogs are such a

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Speaker 1: threat to kids, but also because I feel like the

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Speaker 1: council is not tough enough. And I think having been warned,

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Speaker 1: having ignored the warning, dog was attacking another dog would

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Speaker 1: have actually bitten the dog if you guys weren't there.

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Speaker 1: All of those things make me think that dog should

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Speaker 1: have been put down.

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Speaker 2: What do you think it possibly should have been? Yes,

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Speaker 2: But I'm such a dog lover. I hate to think

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Speaker 2: of anything being put down. But if something as a

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Speaker 2: threaten threatening to another dog or an adult or a child,

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Speaker 2: then absolutely, I mean, it's just a given, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's a very sad thing to say it probably will

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Speaker 2: happen again because that dog is very reactive the way

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Speaker 2: it's been manager obviously doesn't have boundaries of safe space

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Speaker 2: and discipline. I'm not saying you should hit your dog,

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Speaker 2: but there are definitely things you can place to make

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Speaker 2: your dog less reactive to people. The fact that this

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Speaker 2: dog jumped out of a moving car worries me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's pretty fall It wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Just walking down the road on a leash, saw a

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Speaker 2: dog that had a sniff and then they both went

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Speaker 2: to it. This dog actually jumped out of a moving

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Speaker 2: car across the busy road and Pokakoi came into an

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Speaker 2: establishment and attacked a little kaboodle. Would you imagine had

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Speaker 2: that that dog been with a owner who had a

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Speaker 2: toddler with that dog.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and well exactly would you if you wouldn't go

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Speaker 1: as far as I would and putting the dog down,

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Speaker 1: would you at least take the dog off the owner?

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Speaker 2: I would. I would make you go through extremely intensive

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Speaker 2: dog training and see if that dog is going to

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Speaker 2: be rehabilitated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the past, I've actually had the blea of having

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Speaker 2: an ex fighting dog. I got approached by somebody who

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Speaker 2: saw me on Facebook because I am very love dogs,

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Speaker 2: and that dog now what she was, Sorry, she's passed

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Speaker 2: once she learned that she didn't have to fight for food,

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Speaker 2: didn't have to be staunched because I asked her to

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Speaker 2: and I got her nursed. I think nursuring a dogs

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Speaker 2: is a very very bixing in New Zealand. And I

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Speaker 2: also think that perhaps the government could step in and

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Speaker 2: make nurturing a lot more available for people because it's

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Speaker 2: so expensive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair poin and hey, Stacy, thanks very much,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it and look after yourself. Stacy Penn, former Michael

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