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Speaker 1: Pressing the newswakers to get the real story. It's Andrew

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Speaker 1: Dickens on hither due to see allan drive with one

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Speaker 2: It's good afternoon in New Zealand's It is seven after four.

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Speaker 2: It's Monday, the twenty ninth of July. I'm Andrew Dickens

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Speaker 2: here till seven today the opening arguments on the pokinghorn

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Speaker 2: cakes what the Crown alleges the ie doctor did to

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Speaker 2: his wife. Just after five later, the government's firearm prohibition

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Speaker 2: orders have been called too broad. They might criminalize innocent people.

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Speaker 2: And yes it's national who cracked down too heavily on

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Speaker 2: guns or did they? Chris Carhle from the Police Association

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Speaker 2: on gun lads at five ten and Nikola willis after six.

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Speaker 2: This is the week you get your text cut? Will

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Speaker 2: you notice? And in just a few moments time to

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Speaker 2: Wellington councilor who says speed bumps are deadly for emergency services.

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Speaker 2: His name's Ray Chhung. You can text me on ninety

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Speaker 2: set B dot co dot NZ. It is eight after four,

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Speaker 2: news Talk said b So today is day one of

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Speaker 2: the government's plan of military style academies to help kids

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Speaker 2: avoid a life of crime and violence, and ten kids

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Speaker 2: have been chosen from the youth justice system, or should

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Speaker 2: I say ten youths, let's say kids. I wish these

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Speaker 2: all the support I could give them and that they need,

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Speaker 2: and I pray that it works for them. But I

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Speaker 2: hope that these youths, these kids realize that they are

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Speaker 2: now the most privileged kids in the country, and I

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Speaker 2: hope they appreciate the opportunity, and I hope they make

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Speaker 2: the most of it, because we're about to spend in

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Speaker 2: one year, two hundred and nineteen thousand dollars on each

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Speaker 2: one of these ten kids. Now, that is an awful

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Speaker 2: lot of taxpayers money on a handful of kids. Let's

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Speaker 2: call it two million bucks. If we were to scale

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Speaker 2: this up to make a real difference in youth crime rates,

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Speaker 2: we'd bankrupt the country. Let's put it another way. If

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Speaker 2: the government gave you two hundred and nineteen thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: to educate and train your kids, I'm sure you would

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Speaker 2: produce some exceptional human beings. And think of the difference

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Speaker 2: that might make to our country. Or put it yet

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Speaker 2: another way, imagine this was Labour's plan and the Labour's

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Speaker 2: Children's Minister came on and she'd talk about the three

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Speaker 2: we'd say, what a load of nanny state won't come

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Speaker 2: how many cops does two million dollars buy? And then

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Speaker 2: we might ask how much material difference two million dollars

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Speaker 2: as opposed to two million dollars spent on giving a

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Speaker 2: golden ticket to ten lucky boys. And let me repeat though,

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I wish these boys all the best,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure the idea will work. We already have

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Speaker 2: versions of these schemes in place. We actually already have

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Speaker 2: thousands more kids and juvenile care and attention. But that

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Speaker 2: being lavished with retraining. So here are things I want

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Speaker 2: to know. I'd like to know who these ten boys are,

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Speaker 2: I want to know how much crime they committed before

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Speaker 2: So here's another question for you. Can we afford to

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Speaker 2: So fire and emergency have already complained about them. And

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Speaker 2: they may have cost a man his life. So a

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Speaker 4: Now, Hello, Ray, Hey, you good afternoon. Andrew?

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Speaker 2: How are you good mate? What happened?

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Speaker 4: Well last Monday morning, this gentleman's wife rang up, this

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Speaker 4: So they did that. Then they went outside to wait

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Speaker 4: fireman said, look, apologies for taking so long, but the

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Speaker 4: Your fire engine is really really heavy, and so we

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Speaker 2: And this was the problem that was expressed about Thorn

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Speaker 4: Can't categorically say them. But the there five people also

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Speaker 2: Okay, so how does it happen afterwards? How does this

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're put in to supposedly keep people safer

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Speaker 4: I've always been very concerned about the reason and the

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Speaker 4: are you saying that when I see here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, I did. You've obviously thought about this,

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Speaker 2: but you obviously are also the guardian of the rate

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Speaker 4: First of I do, I've actually spopp not one more

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Speaker 4: I keep wondering, why are these ones here? Why is

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Speaker 2: Love your passion, Ray, and I thank you so much?

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Speaker 2: because we've been a bit heavy so far. Where do

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Speaker 2: but all baby Booters say the pantry or the cupboard.

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Speaker 2: Where do you sit? Where where do you put the

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Speaker 2: tomato sauce? Guess what? Someone has actually come up with

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Speaker 2: the definitive answer. Guess what we're going to tell you

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Speaker 6: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: on the way into a moment on sports the text

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Speaker 2: through ninety two. Andrew, Please, you said that about the

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Speaker 2: in three months they will and know so much more. Cheers, Jen,

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Speaker 8: Hello, Andrew, it's been a while.

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Speaker 2: It has been a while. So Erica Fairweather, who can

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Speaker 2: forget the tears. However, she's got some more good news today.

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Speaker 8: She does. Yeah, she certainly bounced back from that disappointment.

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Speaker 8: And you're right, and you just shouldn't be disappointed about

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Speaker 2: It'd be Drive twenty three to five staying with Australia.

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Speaker 12: they're coming to get me. They're on their way. They

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Speaker 12: allege that four men turned up to her house. They

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Speaker 12: took her to Melbourne Airport. She boordered a plane d

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Speaker 12: Kuala Lumpa. She was then on her way to Saudi

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Speaker 12: Arabia and she's never been heard of again. They believe

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Speaker 12: she may be in a Saudi Arabian jail, but we

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Speaker 12: don't know. We can't confirm any of this information. And

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Speaker 12: the question being asked is how can this go on

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Speaker 12: in Australia that four men can turn up to her house,

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Speaker 12: bully her obviously to get onto an aeroplane to leave

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Speaker 12: Australian When they go looking for their CCTV footage at

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Speaker 12: the airport, it's gone, it's disappeared, it's not even there.

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Speaker 12: So there's a lot to this story. There's a lot

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Speaker 12: of concern around how this can obviously happen under the

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Speaker 12: nose of Australian federal police and a border force at

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Speaker 12: the airport. But what a horrific story. And we're only

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Speaker 12: obviously scratching the surface on this one, Andrew, but it

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Speaker 12: is rather concerning.

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Speaker 2: Finally, where do you keep the tomato sauce and the

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Speaker 2: fridge of the pantry. Apparently there's a generational divides. Master

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Speaker 2: for Master Foods, who makes your sauce has come out

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Speaker 2: with the definitive answer they have And I.

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Speaker 12: Will not keep anybody guessing and waiting anymore because this person,

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Speaker 12: Ross Mail, and what a great surname. And if you're

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Speaker 12: going to be delivering the news, Ross Mail, the head

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Speaker 12: of research and development for Master Foods, who's been there

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Speaker 12: for fifteen years, Andrew says, there's only one place in

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Speaker 12: our homes of the iconic red bottles of sauce belong,

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Speaker 12: and that is, of course in the fridge.

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Speaker 2: Hold on when you buy them in the supermarket, though

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Speaker 2: they're not on the fridge, they're on the shelf.

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Speaker 12: That's right. But when you open it, it helps keep the

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Speaker 12: quality so it tastes and looks fresher for longer.

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Speaker 4: The colder temperature.

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Speaker 12: Helps slow down the aging process, which keeps its brighter

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Speaker 12: and red color and it has a stronger tomato flavor.

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Speaker 12: So if you want more out of your sauce, you

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Speaker 12: got more sauce out of your sauce. Put it in

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Speaker 12: the fridge.

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Speaker 2: But hold on it says that on the bottle. So

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Speaker 2: why are we even having this debate?

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Speaker 12: Because like New Zealanders, Australians are divided on the old

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Speaker 12: tomato sauce question. And you'll never shift it from fifty

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Speaker 12: to fifty being fridge or cupboard.

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Speaker 2: Good Man, Eilean Peterson, I thank you so much from

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Speaker 2: six pr Hey So Philip pokinghorns in court. He is

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Speaker 2: a retired eye surgeon. The Crown alleges that he murdered

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Speaker 2: his wife, that's Pauline Hannah, who was sixty three in

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Speaker 2: their remu We're a home back in April twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Today in court they suggested that he murdered his wife

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Speaker 2: and then staged a scene to make it look as

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Speaker 2: though her death was a suicide. We'll have full details

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Speaker 2: about this with Chelsea Daniels, who is going to join

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Speaker 2: us right after the five o'clock news. Now here's something

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Speaker 2: he has pleaded guilty too. Though he has pleaded guilty

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Speaker 2: to two charges that have been suppressed until today. And

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Speaker 2: that is possession of myth and possession of a pipe.

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Speaker 2: And this was at the time that his wife died,

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Speaker 2: so he's pleaded guilty to that. So he's a myth head.

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Speaker 2: I can't get into trouble for saying that. I can't

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Speaker 2: affect the trial for saying that he liked the myth.

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Speaker 2: He liked, he zinged on the myth. He had the

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Speaker 2: myth at the time his wife allegedly committed suicide. So gee,

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Speaker 2: this is a juicy case. Bought details coming up at

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Speaker 2: five here on news Talks.

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Speaker 1: He be politics with centrics credit check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's national crackdown gun laws too much more on

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Speaker 2: that coming up next hour, but right now with the

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Speaker 2: time at thirteen to five, and welcome to the program,

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Speaker 2: Jason Walls, it's player jingle? Do we play jingle? We

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Speaker 2: do play a jingle? Gone?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Did we we just played it? Hello?

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Speaker 13: Jason, I bet Barry had a jingle?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well he does. Hey, sorry about that first

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Speaker 2: day on after a while text cuts coming later this week.

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Speaker 2: Will the government be hoping for a pole boost? Will

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Speaker 2: we even notice?

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Speaker 13: Indeed, I think that the government. They won't say it

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Speaker 13: out loud, they want to men it publicly, but yes

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Speaker 13: they will be hoping for a pole boost because of this.

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Speaker 13: I mean it was the cornerstone of what the government

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Speaker 13: ran on and you know, good for them. I'm promising

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Speaker 13: something and delivering it. There might have been some accounting

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Speaker 13: on the side in terms of how much it was

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Speaker 13: in terms of per household, but at the end of

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Speaker 13: the day, people are going to be looking at their

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Speaker 13: bank accounts and seeing that they have more money at

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Speaker 13: the end of the day. Now, the Prime Minister and

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Speaker 13: his Finance and the Minister Nicola Willis were just at

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Speaker 13: Post Cab and they were rattling off all the stats

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Speaker 13: that we've come to know from them.

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Speaker 14: Our text relief package will see ninety four percent of

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Speaker 14: all households and eighty three percent of individuals better off,

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Speaker 14: and in just two days time, Kiwis will start to

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Speaker 14: see that showing up in their bank accounts.

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Speaker 13: So Nikola Willis actually put it quite concisely.

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Speaker 15: The government has got your back.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 13: Be that as it may, there are two very important

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Speaker 13: entities which come and they could get in the way

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Speaker 13: of Kiwis getting more money in their back pocket that

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Speaker 13: is the Reserve Bank and councils across the country. Now,

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Speaker 13: starting with the former, an extra forty dollars a week

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Speaker 13: might be nice, but if it's all eaten away by

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Speaker 13: high interest rates, it's a bit moot, isn't it. So

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Speaker 13: the question is is it time for the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 13: to start cutting its interest rates now inflation is back

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Speaker 13: down to almost three percent, And that's the question that

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Speaker 13: I asked the Prime Minister today. Here's what he said.

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Speaker 14: It's been encouraging for us to see inflation down at

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Speaker 14: three point three percent. We want it to go below

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Speaker 14: three percent and then we are expecting interest rates to

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Speaker 14: drop very quickly.

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Speaker 13: So that's as far as he would go, but it

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Speaker 13: was quite telling that he said we are expecting them

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Speaker 13: to drop very quickly, because, as you know, the Prime

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Speaker 13: Minister or any of his ministers are not allowed to

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Speaker 13: give the Reserve Bank any sort of direction. That's despite

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Speaker 13: the likes of David Seymour and Shane Jones doing exactly

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Speaker 13: that over the past couple of weeks. Now on the

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Speaker 13: other side of the coin, there is the council rates. Now,

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Speaker 13: if you're a rate payer across the country, you're getting

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Speaker 13: those within the coming days and weeks now, and you

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Speaker 13: might be noticing that those are going up quite high.

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Speaker 13: So that's another thing that might be eating away at

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Speaker 13: your tax cut. What did the Prime Minister have to

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Speaker 13: say about that.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, we're expecting councils to play their part, which is

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Speaker 14: to get on top of their fiscal situations and exactly

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Speaker 14: the same responsible that central government has and what we're doing.

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Speaker 13: So we can see that we're in a situation where

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Speaker 13: the government is giving with one hand and then the

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Speaker 13: Reserve Bank and the councils are taking away with the other.

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Speaker 13: I'm not sure that Adrian or will be particularly happy

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Speaker 13: about that characterization, but when interest rates remain at the

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Speaker 13: level that they are, that is exactly what's happening now.

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Speaker 13: He will argue that we need to get back down

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Speaker 13: between one and three percent with that midpoint level of

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Speaker 13: two before he starts cutting rate. But until that happens,

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Speaker 13: I don't think you're going to be feeling the full

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Speaker 13: effect of what would have been a nice little tax gut.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Yes, wholesale rates are down, interest rates are

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Speaker 2: down to the retail banks are also urging for a

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Speaker 2: drop in interest rates. That we'll see if they're listening,

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Speaker 2: not just the Prime Minister, or the Prime Minister could

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Speaker 2: just be reflecting what the retail banks are saying. Hey,

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Speaker 2: what are you making about this open letter from the

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Speaker 2: Pacific wing of the Greens and all the exaggerated resignation

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Speaker 2: talking stuff.

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Speaker 13: Oh well, I think it's exactly that. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 13: it's not like MPs are resigning or people that we

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Speaker 13: know quite well. It's random members of the Pacific Caucus.

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Speaker 13: And I think that I would have given it a

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Speaker 13: little bit more of a look if it wasn't just

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Speaker 13: such a bizarre open letter that they'd penned to the Greens.

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Speaker 13: And if you haven't heard this story, it's obviously over

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Speaker 13: the weekend with the Daarli and Tana saga basically overshadowing

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Speaker 13: everything apart from the Greens writing an open letter to

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Speaker 13: the Prime Minister about rental increases, like that's going to

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Speaker 13: do anything. But the main thing about this letter was

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Speaker 13: there are a few different strands to it, and one

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Speaker 13: of them that I took umbrage with was the way

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Speaker 13: that they described the party's leadership and the way that

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Speaker 13: they dealt with the late Offesso Collins after he died

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Speaker 13: and in this open letter from three members of the

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Speaker 13: Pacifica Pacifica wing of the party, they said while he

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Speaker 13: knew that he that's Offesso, that some party members were

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Speaker 13: initially suspicious of him, and some MPs had privately attacked

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Speaker 13: him and undermined him during his twenty twenty two Meryl campaign,

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Speaker 13: which doesn't really it doesn't match reality because the Greens

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Speaker 13: openly endorsed Afesso Collins his Merril brid and then they

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Speaker 13: welcomed him into their caucus as a member of Parliament,

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Speaker 13: so I don't really think that stacks up. They also

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Speaker 13: go in to talk about Elizabeth Ketty Kenny, who is

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Speaker 13: the wife of one of the people that co wrote

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Speaker 13: this letter, and they said that we cannot watch another

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Speaker 13: Wahini Mardi be cannibalized by this party without voicing our

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Speaker 13: condemnation of the choices and decisions made by the party's leadership.

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Speaker 13: The co leaders have again inflamed and weaponized media narratives,

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Speaker 13: intentionally mirroring Daarlian that's darli In Tanner's character, integrity and marna. Now,

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Speaker 13: there are a lot of these big, bold comments in

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Speaker 13: this letter, but I think the thing that was clearly

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Speaker 13: missing was any sort of accountability. I mean, Elizabeth Ketty

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Speaker 13: Kenny was not blameless what happened, she was accused and

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Speaker 13: essentially a report showed that she had bullied a number

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Speaker 13: of MPs within the caucus, and then Darling Tana Well,

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Speaker 13: I don't need to explain the situation that's going on there.

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Speaker 13: So the letter lacked a bit of an accountability for me.

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Speaker 13: And I think that Chloe Swarbrick has been dealt quite

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Speaker 13: a hard hand coming into the Greens co leadership this

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Speaker 13: year in twenty twenty four, with everything that they've dealt with.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the poor of Greens with friends like the Pacific Caucus.

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Speaker 2: Who needs enemies? Hey, I thank you so much. Jason

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Speaker 2: Wall's new Talks in Be's Political editor this is news

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Speaker 2: talks to be. I'm in for Heather Hither's I believe

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Speaker 2: on holiday in Singapore, But I don't quote me on that.

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Speaker 2: That's just what I've been told.

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Speaker 1: At seven to five, putting the tough questions to the newspakers,

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Speaker 1: the mic asking.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Queen's Court leader Chloe swore bricks with us, what's

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Speaker 2: your view of Darlene Tanner?

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Speaker 6: Did she abuse migrants to the.

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Speaker 16: Really chair as his Madama and our caucus unanimously we

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Speaker 16: do not believe that she is to be a member

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Speaker 16: of Parliament.

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Speaker 12: And Mike has.

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Speaker 2: Reverurce does she a migrant abuser?

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Speaker 8: I don't think that.

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Speaker 16: Is helpful for me to weigh in and such a

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Speaker 16: way which could potentially.

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Speaker 3: Open legal cases or otherwise.

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Speaker 16: And we've never been confronted with a situation like this,

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Speaker 16: So we are working through a process make sure that

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Speaker 16: we upload hold our values and have a sustainable and

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Speaker 16: enduring solution which we can rightfully defend because we know

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Speaker 16: that natural justice.

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Speaker 2: Was upheld back Tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking

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Speaker 2: Breakfast with Jaguine News Talk ZBS, I'm Andrew Dickinson for

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Speaker 2: a Heather. I'll leave it as four minutes to five

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Speaker 2: this pockinghorn cases or go. We're going to go to

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Speaker 2: the courtroom right after the news. Chelsea Daniels is covering it.

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Speaker 2: He has pleaded guilty to charges a possession of methane

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Speaker 2: vetterment and possession of a pipe on the day of

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Speaker 2: the death of his wife. So that's juicy enough in itself.

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Speaker 2: And we heard today what the Crown alleges happened on

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Speaker 2: the day which of course we've never known by the

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Speaker 2: way those position and pipe position are charges. They've been

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Speaker 2: suppressed until today. So it's all new and it's all

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Speaker 2: coming up right after the five o'clock news. And then

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the government crackdown on gang associates and

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Speaker 2: their firearms. The Justice Select Comitte has been looking at

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Speaker 2: the law and they reckon it could potentially capture innocent

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Speaker 2: people and give police too much power for warrantless searchers.

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Speaker 2: Do we care or hate? Hold on, We're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee, who is all

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Speaker 2: about liberalization a gun laws. However, a Select committee has

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Speaker 2: said they got down too tough. All that and more

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Speaker 2: coming up in just a few moments time. Here are

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Speaker 2: news Talks that.

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Speaker 1: Be the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 1: the questions, get the answers by the facts and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Andrew Dickens on hither dup to see Allen

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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get connected News Talk zibby.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon and welcome to the program. At seven after five.

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Speaker 2: So one of the most anticipated murder cases of the

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Speaker 2: year has begun in the Auckland High Court today with

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Speaker 2: surprising and eye opening detail. Philip Pulkinghorn, a successful eye surgeon,

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Speaker 2: has been accused of strangling his wife and making it

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Speaker 2: look like suicide. Today in the court Pauline Hannah, his wife,

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Speaker 2: was found dead in the couple's Remure home on Easter

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Speaker 2: Monday back in twenty twenty one. Chelsea Daniels is covering

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Speaker 2: the trial for US and joins us. Now, good afternoon, Chelsea,

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Speaker 2: So tell us how did the day begin?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 17: Andrew Polkinghorn started the trial today with guilty please to

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Speaker 17: possession of methan fetamine and possession of a methan fetamine pipe.

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Speaker 17: For the last two years the charges were not allowed

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Speaker 17: to be reported, but suppression lapsed with that admission of guilt.

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Speaker 17: The guilty please leave just one charge remaining for the

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Speaker 17: six week trial, and that's.

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Speaker 6: Murder, all right.

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Speaker 2: So what does the crown allege actually happened to Pauline.

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Speaker 17: Well, First, Alicia McLintock, the Crown prosecutor, went through what

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Speaker 17: happened at that weekend. Pauline Hannah did a series of

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Speaker 17: things that were just so normal for her. She took

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Speaker 17: pride in her work and also took pride in her

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Speaker 17: appearance but there was one aspect of her life that

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Speaker 17: was troubling.

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Speaker 18: He was spending large amounts of money on six workers

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Speaker 18: and engaging and a number of extramarital encounters and relaytionships.

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Speaker 18: He had a problematic myth amphetamine habit. He was spending

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Speaker 18: marital finances in many ways that benefited only himself.

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Speaker 17: The Crown says it'll prove that Polkinghorn's claim that his

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Speaker 17: wife took her own life as false and that he

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Speaker 17: actually staged the scene. McLintock told the court of the

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Speaker 17: way Hannah was found by paramedics, details about a rope

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Speaker 17: and a belt that were found in the house.

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Speaker 18: Crown allegs the evidence in this case will show the

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Speaker 18: rope was too loosely tied to have sufficient tension to

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Speaker 18: kill miss Hannah and simply too long.

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Speaker 17: The Crown alleges a struggle took place, given Hannah had

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Speaker 17: injuries to her nose, scalp and bruises on her arm,

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Speaker 17: marks on the left side of her back, and Polkinhorn

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Speaker 17: had a fresh cut on his forehead that he couldn't explain. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 17: defense lawyer Ron Mansfield is adamant Hannah took her own life.

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Speaker 19: This is a case where the Crown know that there

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Speaker 19: is no pathology to support its theory of a homicide.

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Speaker 19: The Crown knows there is no evidence of an argument

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Speaker 19: that evening. The Crown knows that there is no evidence

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Speaker 19: of any meth amphetamine use by Dr Polkinghorn that night.

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Speaker 19: The Crown knows that there is no evidence of any

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Speaker 19: arguing disagreement or an assault lead alone a fatal assault.

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Speaker 2: So he did plead guilty though to possession of myth

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Speaker 2: and a pipe. So how much myth was found around

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Speaker 2: the house?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Police found thirty seven point seven grams of meth dotted

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Speaker 17: all around the house in the master bedroom, bathrooms and study.

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Speaker 17: A meth pipe, meth and a lighter was found in

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Speaker 17: the main bedroom where Polkinghole slept.

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Speaker 10: Hannah had slept in another bedroom.

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Speaker 17: The night before her death, and Hannah appears to have

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Speaker 17: also been grappling with doctor Polkinghorn's meth habit. Apparently she

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Speaker 17: searched privately on the Internet prior to his death. What

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Speaker 17: sensation does p give you? For instance, what does a

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Speaker 17: pea pipe look like? These searches were made just three

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Speaker 17: months before her death. The searchers suggest an ignorance about

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Speaker 17: drug use.

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Speaker 2: The crown says, all right, let's talk about this other

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Speaker 2: character in this tale. And her name is Madison Eshton

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Speaker 2: and she's actually featured in social pages being pictured with

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Speaker 2: the poking Horn. Who is Madison Eshton? And will she

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Speaker 2: take the stand?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: So she is a Sydney sex worker Polkinghorn had been

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Speaker 17: seeing before Hannah's death. She will take the stand. Later

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Speaker 17: in the trial, McClintock said Hannah admitted to friends that

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Speaker 17: she had actually joined the pair in a threesome reluctantly

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Speaker 17: in Australia, but would then become concerned with her husband's

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Speaker 17: obsession with group sex, she said. She said he had

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Speaker 17: been living a double life with Ashton before his wife

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Speaker 17: died and even afterwards, and he apparently deleted WhatsApp messages

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Speaker 17: with Ashton after her death and asked her to do

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Speaker 17: the same.

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Speaker 2: All right, And they've also heard and I think we've

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Speaker 2: heard it on our news. But let's play this again.

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Speaker 2: This is the one one one call that Phil poking

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Speaker 2: Horn made on the night, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we heard that in court.

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Speaker 20: Take a listen, you're there.

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Speaker 15: I'm here.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, Now she she's did so so.

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Speaker 6: Part of me, So why do you believe that she

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Speaker 6: did because I.

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Speaker 2: Can't do a punk on the dottor then she's blue,

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Speaker 2: she's cold.

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Speaker 17: So the trial is continuing in the High Court at Auckland.

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Speaker 2: All right, and Chelsea Daniels will be covering it right

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Speaker 2: the way through. We'll have more coverage from Chelsea on

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Speaker 2: the trial. You can also listen to the podcast that

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Speaker 2: we're making about this trial. It is called Accused the

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Speaker 2: Poking Horn Trial. You'll find it on iHeartRadio or wherever

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Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. It is a twelve after five,

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Speaker 2: all right. So the Justice Select Committee is pumping the

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Speaker 2: brakes on changes to expand firearms Prohibition orders they're called

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Speaker 2: FPOs now. The committee says the new orders would give

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Speaker 2: police too much power for warrantless searches. The committee is

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Speaker 2: made up of Labor Party members and it's a Select committee. Now,

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Speaker 2: the new rules would allow police to search anyone suspected

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Speaker 2: of being under an FPO without needing a warrant. So

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Speaker 2: Nicole McKee is the Associate Justice Minister. She joins her

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Speaker 2: right now, Helen Nicole Good evening, Andrew. So the selectmmitty

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Speaker 2: doesn't like it. Did you screw up the law or

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Speaker 2: did you believe that going hard on guns was needed

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Speaker 2: in the war on gangs.

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Speaker 3: Definitely going hard on the illegal possession of firearms by

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Speaker 3: those that are not licensed as a priority of this government,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think that we got it wrong. The

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Speaker 3: whole point of going to Select Committee is to make

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Speaker 3: sure that one they get to listen to the people

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Speaker 3: and what the efforts are on making good law, and

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Speaker 3: then two they try to change the law or change

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Speaker 3: the clauses within it to tighten it up so that

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Speaker 3: the will effectively be more efficient and effective once it's

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Speaker 3: been brought in. Some of the things that they have

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Speaker 3: talked about is they're looking at who's captured by farm's

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Speaker 3: prohibition orders, They're looking at the well, they want to

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Speaker 3: decrease the number of eligible offenses, and they've got some

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Speaker 3: concerns around the warrantless searches. And I take on board

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Speaker 3: what they say. Some of it I agree with, some

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Speaker 3: of it I don't. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: we need to stop the drive by shootings of innocent

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Speaker 3: families that are being held to ransom by gangs in

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Speaker 3: their illegal use of these weapons.

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Speaker 2: So there will be changes made to the law.

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Speaker 3: Well, we need to actually go away and talk about

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Speaker 3: this as a government, what is the Select Committee looking

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Speaker 3: at changing and do we agree with this or not.

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Speaker 3: Once the government has agreed or not agreed on some

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Speaker 3: of the changes, we would then look to implement perhaps

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Speaker 3: supplementary order papers at the Committee of the whole stage

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Speaker 3: to make some changes ourselves. But that's still a discussion

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Speaker 3: as a government that we need to have.

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Speaker 2: And do you think that this law stood a contrary

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Speaker 2: to the position that actor has had and you have

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Speaker 2: had and the government has had for a while in

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Speaker 2: saying that under labor gun laws became too prohibitive.

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Speaker 3: Under the previous government, the firearms legislation that they brought

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Speaker 3: in did not keep our communities safe. It demonstrably showed

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Speaker 3: a less safe community because of those changes. And part

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Speaker 3: of the reason why if they targeted the wrong group

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Speaker 3: of people, they went after the law abiding while the

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Speaker 3: criminals went about doing their drive by shootings. This government's

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Speaker 3: going to make sure that that stops. The best way

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Speaker 3: that we can is do that is through legislation and

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Speaker 3: empower police to be able to take those firearms away

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Speaker 3: from the criminals by giving them further search powers.

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Speaker 2: All right, Nickle the key, I thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your time, nicoll as the Associate Justice Minister. It

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Speaker 2: is now sixteen minutes out of five, so don't laugh,

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Speaker 2: that would be cruel. But there is a vegan restaurant

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Speaker 2: that has now been forced to sell meat because they're

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Speaker 2: not getting enough people through the door. And we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to the feller who's running this restaurant right

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Speaker 2: after the break. And remember, of course we had the

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Speaker 2: Hospitality report this morning talking about how we are going

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Speaker 2: out but at the same time the business is really

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Speaker 2: struggling because it costs. But for this guy vegan restaurant

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Speaker 2: selling meat. Ekes Okay, that's next sixteen after five news

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Speaker 2: talks at b all right, a vegan cafe in Auckland

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Speaker 2: has had to start serving meat dishes. This is due

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Speaker 2: to rising cost pressures. The mostly plant based Easy Kind

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Speaker 2: Cafe at morning side said that the business was forced

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Speaker 2: to make the decision why just to stay afloat. Now,

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Speaker 2: remember the Restaurant Association's annual report out this morning showed

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Speaker 2: that sales were up five point eight percent, but businesses

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Speaker 2: are still struggling due to high running costs and so

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Speaker 2: Kathy Cottle is the owner of the Kind Cafe and

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Speaker 2: joins me.

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Speaker 21: Now Halla, Kathy, Sorry Andrew, how are you doing good?

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Speaker 2: But this has to be a black day for a

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Speaker 2: vegan cafe because you're selling meat.

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Speaker 22: Is a very dark day for me personally, just eleventest

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Speaker 22: when we don't call ourselves a vegan cafo.

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Speaker 7: We never have.

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Speaker 22: We've been vegetarian but mostly vegans. Ye, just a point

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Speaker 22: of interest there, But it is a really it's a

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Speaker 22: sad day.

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Speaker 2: It is a sad day. Do you hope it's a

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Speaker 2: temporary move.

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Speaker 22: I do hope it's a temporary move, I really do.

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Speaker 22: I hope that we can get back to the principles

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Speaker 22: that we started with eventually. One of the things that

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Speaker 22: we have had to do this for.

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Speaker 4: It is of course a.

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Speaker 22: Financial cause and call, but we have a lot of

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Speaker 22: our customers who have said to us over the last

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Speaker 22: couple of months, they've got friends, they've got family who

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Speaker 22: will just not set.

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Speaker 21: Restaurant.

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Speaker 22: And when we opened six years ago, part of our

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Speaker 22: mantra was that we wanted to make a space that

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Speaker 22: vegetarian food was more accessible to people, but also to

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Speaker 22: help people go on a journey, a traveling travel on

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Speaker 22: the journey towards a more plant based diet.

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Speaker 2: Very cool, But here's a question for you. Here's a

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Speaker 2: question for you. Is it more expensive to run a

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Speaker 2: vegan restaurant, which is why you've had to resort back

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Speaker 2: to meat, or is that just you know, a me ledd.

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Speaker 22: I think it is more expensive. Our chefs have to

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Speaker 22: go to a lot of efforts to make our own sources.

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Speaker 22: There's a whole whole lot of things that cannot just

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Speaker 22: be bought as easily. You think it's just a simple burger.

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Speaker 22: We now have a fried chicken burger on our menu

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Speaker 22: or a Korean chicken burger. You can also replace that

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Speaker 22: with a tofu paddy. But a lot more effort and

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Speaker 22: work goes into making the vegetarian patties, the vegetarian sources,

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Speaker 22: the vegetarian flavors that we need to make that food

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Speaker 22: really tasty, have lots of texture and color.

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Speaker 2: And we know, like all restaurants, it's rented staff, it's food.

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Speaker 2: It's just about every part of the cafe business has

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Speaker 2: gone and you need to raise revenue by fifty percents

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Speaker 2: that you've got meat. Can I ask a very hard

897
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Speaker 2: and horrible question, are there enough vegetarians who support a

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Speaker 2: vegetarian only restaurant or do you need some of us

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Speaker 2: carnivals too.

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Speaker 22: No, we do need the carnivals. And I think over

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Speaker 22: probably the last year, I've seen more and more people

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Speaker 22: walking out of our cafe once they've recognized that we

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Speaker 22: are a vegetarian cafe.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's another question. Here's another question on that. Now

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Speaker 2: that you've had meat come through your door and served

906
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Speaker 2: and prepared, are you afraid that some vegetarians, in a

907
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Speaker 2: politically correct move, well but boycott you in the future

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Speaker 2: after the cost crisis passes.

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Speaker 22: That is a very real fear, but that is just

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Speaker 22: something that we will have to face women if that happens.

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Speaker 22: Through a lot of my conversations with my vegetarian and

912
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Speaker 22: vegan friends, for a lot of them that rather have

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Speaker 22: the restaurant open than closed and have no options at all,

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Speaker 22: and a lot of them do eat at other restaurants

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Speaker 22: that do serve mostly meat, and actually, to be honest,

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Speaker 22: eating a lot of other restaurants, it can be quite

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Speaker 22: difficult to have a menu made for a vegan or

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Speaker 22: have a dish made for a vegan on premise. So

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Speaker 22: a lot of them love coming and having lots of options,

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Speaker 22: and we will still have lots of.

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Speaker 2: Options, Kathy. You know we only wish you all the

922
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Speaker 2: very best of luck. This is a terrible decision to

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Speaker 2: have to take. You Just hang in there, survive until

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Speaker 2: twenty five. I think that's what everyone says. Well, we

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Speaker 2: all have to yes, very good five twenty three. By

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Speaker 2: the way, what meat is acceptable? Lime caught fish and

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Speaker 2: free range organic chicken. And yes, as Ed says, we

928
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Speaker 2: are not carnivores, we are omnivores. And that's true as well.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need

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Speaker 1: Andrew dickens On, Heather Duplicy, Alan Drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: Let's get connected and new talk as it'd be.

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Speaker 2: It's five twenty six. We have a health having. Last week,

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Speaker 2: Dr Lester Levy has been appointed Commissioner of the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Health Authority Health New Zealand. Everyone has something to

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Speaker 2: say about it, you know what. I think they might

936
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Speaker 2: all be correct, they might all be right. So Stephen

937
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Speaker 2: Joyce of the Weekend pointed out that the merger of

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Speaker 2: all these DHBs, twenty of them into one organization, was

939
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Speaker 2: the single largest business merger ever attempted in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: involving eighty thousand staff. It dwarfed the previous largest, which

941
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Speaker 2: was Fonterra, and he pointed out that the Fonterra merger

942
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Speaker 2: took decades to conclude and then decades to settle down.

943
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Speaker 2: And we gave the Mega Health merger less than two years,

944
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Speaker 2: and then we declared it an abject failure. Maybe there

945
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Speaker 2: have been efficiencies, or maybe they haven't, or maybe we'll

946
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Speaker 2: never know. But it's important to remember the history of

947
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Speaker 2: our health system. We had twenty DHBs and twenty boards,

948
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Speaker 2: and twenty CEOs and twenty CFOs and twenty coos and

949
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Speaker 2: twenty of everything except lots of doctors, twenty bureaucracies. Everyone

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Speaker 2: knew that there had to be a rationalization. We all said,

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Speaker 2: I did it the whole time. Why have we got

952
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty health boards in one country? Heather Simpson, Helen

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Speaker 2: class Great Fred wrote a report suggesting we dropped to

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Speaker 2: four regional authorities. But then Andrew Little came in and

955
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Speaker 2: he said, hey, why don't we try just one big one,

956
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Speaker 2: And to his credit, compared to many other people, at

957
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Speaker 2: least he tried. But now Shane Retti's come in and

958
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Speaker 2: I think he's saying, let's try four again. Let's go

959
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Speaker 2: back to what Heather said. The biggest complaint about a

960
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Speaker 2: single authority was the bureaucrat growth and the empire building.

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Speaker 2: But you know, with four regional authorities you have four

962
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Speaker 2: chances for bureaucrat growth an empire building. Maybe one authority

963
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Speaker 2: could work, but only if it was led by a

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Speaker 2: super being with the ability to forensically evaluate each line

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Speaker 2: of a balance sheet and then hold the mill management

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Speaker 2: to account. Christopher Luxan reckons he can do that. I

967
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Speaker 2: wonder if anyone really can. There are other weird arguments

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Speaker 2: around the thing that health mu zealm. Why is it

969
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Speaker 2: indeficit now when it was in surplus last year. It's

970
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Speaker 2: because they're a neept. No, it's because they've been funded less.

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Speaker 2: Then Maggie Upper, who's the CEO, W can it's because

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Speaker 2: we hired more nurses than expected. Everyone's got a theory

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Speaker 2: on the health system, and my suspicion is that they're

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Speaker 2: all actually a little bit correct, but nobody has actually

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Speaker 2: brought it in all together in the right formula. So

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Speaker 2: all I have to say to that is good luck.

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Speaker 2: Leicster Levy sid Bey five twenty eight. My next guest

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Speaker 2: after the news is a fella called Alan Gilpin, and

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Speaker 2: Allan is the World Rugby CEO and he's having a

980
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: whale of a time in Paris and he saw a

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Speaker 2: great match, and of course everybody from rugby has all

982
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Speaker 2: gathered in Paris. So we're going to talk to him

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Speaker 2: about Paris and the Olympics and sevens and rugby and

984
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Speaker 2: the fifteens and head injuries and twenty minute red cards

985
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Speaker 2: and just about everything. How is the game? Is it healthy?

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Speaker 4: Is it not?

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Speaker 2: That's coming up. Alan Gilpin's his name. Then we have

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Speaker 2: the huddle. Josey mcganny and Trish Sharson all on Newstalks.

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Speaker 12: Herbi, everybody.

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Speaker 6: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in.

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Speaker 1: Your car on your drive home, it's Andrew Dickens on Hither.

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Speaker 1: Dup to see Alan drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and new talk zid be.

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Speaker 2: Andrew. I'm a meat eater, but I want to visit

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Speaker 2: that wrist run and order a vegetarian dish.

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Speaker 6: Oh good? Are you?

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Speaker 2: What is it called? It's called kind It's Morning Side.

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Speaker 2: Kathy Cottle runs the place.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickinson for Hither and she's taking some leave.

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Speaker 4: We have.

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Speaker 2: We have the Finance Minister coming up after six o'clock today.

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Speaker 2: She's cockerhoop right now, so is the Prime Minister. Because

1004
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Speaker 2: they announced that the text cuts are going to come

1005
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Speaker 2: into your pockets on Wednesday. So we're going to ask

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Speaker 2: her exactly how much money will actually magically what did

1007
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Speaker 2: she say? She said ninety four percent of us are

1008
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Speaker 2: going to feel the difference with the tax cuts. So

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Speaker 2: the Finance Minister is after six here on News Talks HEB.

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Speaker 6: News talks, EDB All right, this took.

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Speaker 2: Rugby because the great and good of rugby are in

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00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: Paris now. They're doing that for the sevens, the Black

1013
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: Fern sevens. This is the women's side. Have got their

1014
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Speaker 2: Olympic campaign off to a strong start. They've handledly beaten

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Speaker 2: Canada and China. They have one more pool match against

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Speaker 2: Fiji overnight tonight our time. As we all know, just

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Speaker 2: so well, things didn't go so well for us on

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Speaker 2: the men's side of the things. France beat Fiji for

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Speaker 2: the gold medal. South Africa took the bronze. We beat

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Speaker 2: South Africa once, but they beat us at the quarter final.

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Speaker 2: The All Backs ended out placing a lowly fifth watching

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Speaker 2: that game and every game that has been played in

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Speaker 2: the stud of Franz as World Rugby CEO Alan Gilpin,

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Speaker 2: who joins me now, hello Allen, Hi Andrew?

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Speaker 6: How are you great?

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Speaker 2: Having a good time?

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Speaker 15: It's been fantastic. Yeah, it really been some amazing sevens.

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Speaker 15: We've got amazing crowds were delighted.

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Speaker 2: I was obviously disappointed that the all back sevens wasn't

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Speaker 2: in the final, but watching the final, I was amazed.

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Speaker 2: It was the Frenchman's seven side playing a better brand

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Speaker 2: of rugby than I'd seen them earlier in the tournament.

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Speaker 2: They're in front of a massive sellout home crowd, sixty

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Speaker 2: nine thousand people at the start de France. This is

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Speaker 2: the first gold medal of the whole Olympic Games. How

1036
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: good an ad for rugby was that?

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Speaker 15: Look, it was fantastic as you said it was. It

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Speaker 15: was a great final. A bit of a dream, I

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Speaker 15: guess in the Paris Olympics to have a home scene

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Speaker 15: when the first big gold for them, as you say,

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Speaker 15: sixty nine thousand when the start to France. We've had

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Speaker 15: that every day for the seven so it's a bit

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Speaker 15: of a coming of age moment. I think for rugby

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Speaker 15: seven's and anw off to a great start. As you

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Speaker 15: said with the women's, is.

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Speaker 2: That good for sevens or do we have too many

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Speaker 2: nations targeting the Olympic Games but not the yearly circuit?

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Speaker 2: Do you see what I mean? For instance, DuPont was

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Speaker 2: there for France, but will he be there next seven

1050
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Speaker 2: the next season in the seven circuit? You know, is

1051
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Speaker 2: this actually good for sevens or does it detract from

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Speaker 2: the circuit.

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Speaker 15: I think it's great for sevens, and the annual seventh

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Speaker 15: circuit builds up to big moments like this. We've seen

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Speaker 15: DuPont playing a couple of those events this year. We've

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Speaker 15: got some other players here now and the women's who

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Speaker 15: you're normally fifteen aside players who are playing in the

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Speaker 15: sevens in a big Olympic year, we're going to see

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Speaker 15: some of those players return to the fifteens game for

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Speaker 15: a Women's World Cup in England next year. So look,

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Speaker 15: having the opportunity for players to move back and forward

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Speaker 15: between sevens and fifteens is important to us, and hopefully

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Speaker 15: we can do more of that going forward.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, there's a lot of networking happening at the moment

1065
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Speaker 2: and lots of talking about the future. So what is

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Speaker 2: the single biggest challenge in your view for rugby today

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 15: I think, like a lot of sports, we want to

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Speaker 15: make sure we've got a sport that's successible, that's easy

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Speaker 15: for fans to access, to enjoy, more people to play.

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Speaker 15: So being relevant, being accessible in a changing media landscape,

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Speaker 15: I think to fans is the big challenge. In sevens

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Speaker 15: is a great product for that, particularly in markets where

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Speaker 15: maybe rugby not as established as it is in places like,

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Speaker 15: for example, where you are in New Zealand. So you

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Speaker 15: know seven is important that in that shifting landscape force.

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Speaker 2: What about the speed change for fifteen is the rule changes.

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Speaker 2: You've got three new rule changes coming in. It's about

1079
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: to make it's trying to make the game faster, more

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Speaker 2: free flying. Is that working?

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Speaker 9: It is?

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Speaker 15: And again we're always trying different things, trying to make

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Speaker 15: sure again the game is as accessive as it can

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Speaker 15: be to fans, as enjoyble as it can be, as

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Speaker 15: safe as it can be for people to play. So

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Speaker 15: you know those law trials that are going on now,

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Speaker 15: those changes are about, as you say, making the game quicker,

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Speaker 15: keeping that continuity, you know, making it exciting for young fans.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought, this is my opinion that the

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Speaker 2: biggest challenge facing rugby right now is the battle against

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Speaker 2: head injuries and what that does to parents who then

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Speaker 2: decide whether the kids are going to play. Would you

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Speaker 2: agree with that? And how's that battle against the head

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Speaker 2: injuries going.

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Speaker 15: The welfare and safety players is always our number one priority,

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Speaker 15: and we're always looking to make the game safer, but

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Speaker 15: keep all those inherent qualities of rugby, all the things

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Speaker 15: that make rugby special, which is inherently a contact sport,

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Speaker 15: a sport that involves, you know, people tackling people, having

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Speaker 15: those those contact moments and those those collision moments, if

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Speaker 15: you like. And I think you know, I wouldn't say

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Speaker 15: we're winning that battle, because you never win that battle.

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Speaker 15: But we're making sure that we are improving. In most

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Speaker 15: parts of the world in the community game, the tackle

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Speaker 15: height now is lower than it's been before. That's certainly

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Speaker 15: having an impact, and as you say, ultimately trying to

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Speaker 15: reassure parents that you know, whilst there is contact in

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Speaker 15: the game, the games as safe as it can be

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Speaker 15: for their for their boys and girls to play.

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Speaker 2: Finally, well, the Black Ferns win the gold.

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Speaker 15: They started fantastically yesterday. They look in great shape. You know,

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Speaker 15: the women's Stevens will be as competitive as the men's was.

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Speaker 15: You've got obviously the Black Ferns, the Australians, France again, USA,

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Speaker 15: Canada all looking good. So I think those are the

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Speaker 15: sort of teams that will be in the mix. We'll

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Speaker 15: see the quarter final matches here tonight after the last

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Speaker 15: round of pool matches. The Black Ferns have already made

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Speaker 15: it through to the quarter finals. Going to avoid what

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Speaker 15: happened with their male colleagues and not lose that quarter final.

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Speaker 15: That's the key obviously then to getting into a metal match.

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Speaker 15: So I think they're in great shape.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff. Enjoy yourself, but not too much. Alan Gilprien

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Speaker 2: is the World Rugby CEO. It is our seventeen to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty on Parallel

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Speaker 1: Reach and results.

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Speaker 2: Today on the Huddle. Josie Pigani, CEO at Child vund

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Speaker 2: and Trish Sharson who is Sheerson willis pr Hello people, Hello,

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Speaker 2: Hello and.

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Speaker 10: All female huddle. Andrew so apologized.

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Speaker 2: Man except for me, I know, oh you want me

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Speaker 2: to apologize for being a mayor. I'm going to talk

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Speaker 2: about budget smoklers later, but that look, we have to

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Speaker 2: start with the big story of the day, which continues

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Speaker 2: to be the big story of the day, and I

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00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: don't know why, and it's driving everybody completely party and bananas.

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Speaker 2: And this is the continuing saga of Darlene Tanner and

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Speaker 2: the absence of waker jumping by the Greens, and of

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Speaker 2: course the PACIFICA leadership, who I don't know. Let this

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Speaker 2: start with you, Joseph. Did the PACIFICA leadership actually did

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Speaker 2: more damage to the Greens than Darlene Tanner?

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Speaker 16: Possibly?

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think what this shows you is that

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Speaker 10: the Greens have taken so long on this, I mean

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Speaker 10: five months initially to do the report. We're all over it.

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Speaker 10: But it's not just Darlene Tana who's doing no work.

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Speaker 10: It's the Greens, the whole party. You know, it was

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00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 10: just completely dominating their entire year. And so there's been

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Speaker 10: no benefits to the delay for all these reasons about

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Speaker 10: you know, due process and so on, and so I

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Speaker 10: think they've sort of they've they've made this problem worse

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Speaker 10: for themselves. Now you've got the PACIFICA Group coming out

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Speaker 10: you're right. And I think what this shows is that,

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Speaker 10: you know, you've got the PACIFICA group saying they feel

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Speaker 10: unsafe because of the you know, the white members of

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Speaker 10: the Green Party and so on, and because the Greens

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Speaker 10: have this kind of democracy of views, all views are

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Speaker 10: treated equally, they've got no language to push back on

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Speaker 10: the identity politics when it comes to something like you know,

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Speaker 10: there's a right and a wrong, and so they kind

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Speaker 10: of get they get paralyzed, and they're just stuck in

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Speaker 10: this sort of you know, there are no good ideas

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Speaker 10: or bad ideas, or.

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Speaker 2: They're stuck in no they're stuck in no person's land,

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Speaker 2: is the official.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: One other thing very quickly add and you know Professor

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Speaker 10: Collins who was a colleague of mine through the Labor

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Speaker 10: Party days, and I do remember him saying, you know,

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Speaker 10: I need we're going to teach. We're going to show

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Speaker 10: the Greens that the cool kids are not in the CBD,

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Speaker 10: they're not in Central Auckland, they're out in South Side,

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Speaker 10: They're out in South Oakland. So there's that there is

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Speaker 10: a problem there, I think in the Green pasty. And

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Speaker 10: it's a bit more substantive.

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Speaker 2: You were with her visa on the day, and you

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Speaker 2: work with him, and there they are going, here's the thing, Treas,

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Speaker 2: Almost everybody who's rational just say, well, tell those guys

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Speaker 2: to shut up and just get rid of the woman.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think you know, one thing this is showing

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Speaker 20: is what the Green Party have lost in not having

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Speaker 20: James Shaw as their co leader. It also demonstrates their

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Speaker 20: inability to take action at speed. So when it comes

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Speaker 20: to climate action, I would say good luck everybody. You know,

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Speaker 20: they secretly stripped Darling Tana of her portfolios in early February.

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Speaker 20: They are not now going to vote on whether to

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Speaker 20: start the process to kick her out of the party

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Speaker 20: until one September. As Josie said, that is seven months

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Speaker 20: just to reach an inconclusive consensus, a conclusive consensus on decisions.

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Speaker 4: Over one MP.

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Speaker 20: But what it has provided us with is a whole

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Speaker 20: new word salad on the political menu, just to give

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Speaker 20: you a flavor. We've got my pronouns, are they them?

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Speaker 20: So I'm never alone. We've had a lot of holding space,

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Speaker 20: we had a lot of lived experience. We've over the weekend,

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Speaker 20: we've had inflamed and weaponized and also added to that,

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Speaker 20: we've had power based on the assumed rightness of whiteness.

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Speaker 20: So to Josie's point, it is no wonder that they

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Speaker 20: are bogged down in identity politics because they just aren't

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Speaker 20: able to talk straight.

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Speaker 2: No kidding, Tris Session, thank you, sober beautify said So

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Speaker 2: Josie McGarty has still to come budgie smugglers, Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: and tax cuts. Here on news talks, he'd be this

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Speaker 2: is the huddle.

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Speaker 1: What the huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, exceptional

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Speaker 1: marketing for every property, with.

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Speaker 2: Tris Session and Jesse Beeghanny. Now we'll get to the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: And now here's a story you may or may not

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Speaker 2: know about. There was a considerable excitement in the newsroom

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Speaker 2: over a knight and shining budgie smugglers at the Olympic

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Speaker 2: pool over the course of this morning. Turns out a

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Speaker 2: female swimmer lost her cap in the pool in an

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Speaker 2: official volunteered to retrieve it. So he strode proudly in

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Speaker 2: front of the crowds magnificently, I would even posit to say,

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Speaker 2: and the TV cameras, of course, were there. He was resplendent,

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Speaker 2: and the most magnificent pair of florally patterned budgy smugglers,

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Speaker 2: not high cut, can I add there were trunk style right?

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Speaker 2: He then executed a perfect dive into the pool straight

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Speaker 2: to the pool's floor, retrieved the cap, exited the pool

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Speaker 2: with the plumb to great pause, obviously as swimmer, though

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Speaker 2: the paunch suggests that he was well retired. So the

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Speaker 2: talk is now obviously about the togs, particularly amongst younger

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Speaker 2: stuff in the newsroom, particularly about women who say, ooh,

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Speaker 2: what was that about? They were tittering and geforing. So

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Speaker 2: my question is Trish budgie smugglers your thoughts.

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Speaker 20: Well, it certainly was a confident pant and you've described

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Speaker 20: it beautifully Andrew over the radio. But in terms of

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Speaker 20: what Euros normally strut around in Don's laplage at the beach,

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Speaker 20: these were less budgy smugglers in my view, and more

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Speaker 20: of what I would term a modesty pant. But the

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Speaker 20: question for me is who wears these just on the

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Speaker 20: off chance they'll need to strip down to receive retrieve

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Speaker 20: a swim cap.

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Speaker 2: Retired officials who used to be professional swimmers, I guess. Joseph,

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on the budge smuggler.

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Speaker 10: Well, I lived in Paris for three years and my

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Speaker 10: husband we go to the pool, take the kids of

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Speaker 10: the pool, and my husband got basically got tucked out

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Speaker 10: of the pool for not wearing budgie smugglers, because it's

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Speaker 10: actually almost illegal in France not to wear budget smugglers,

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Speaker 10: because they think that we think the board shorts are

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Speaker 10: better and clean up. They think that that I guess

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Speaker 10: you're meating to potatoes is going to be flapping around

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Speaker 10: in their board shorts. So you actually cannot go to

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Speaker 10: the pool. I don't know what to still saying. This

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Speaker 10: is in twenty seven that you could not go to

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Speaker 10: the pool unless you were in budge smugglers, and you

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Speaker 10: know my husband would agree with me that was not

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Speaker 10: a necessarily pretty sight.

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Speaker 2: All right, there's enough of that. Tax cuts are coming

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Speaker 2: this week and I've got the finance minister after six o'clock.

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Speaker 2: How excited are you for your tax Trish? What do

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Speaker 2: you think about them?

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Speaker 18: You?

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Speaker 2: Will you even notice them? Trish?

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Speaker 20: Well, I'm not really thinking of them from a personal perspective,

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Speaker 20: and I don't think any many people probably are. But

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Speaker 20: I think more importantly from a political perspective, for the government.

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Speaker 20: This is all part of them being able to demonstrate

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Speaker 20: to New Villanders that they are doing something about the

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Speaker 20: cost of living, and this is the government's way of

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Speaker 20: being able to have people feel that directly in their wallets.

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Speaker 20: But don't forget the big burst of under the saddle

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Speaker 20: and under the government and everyone else's saddles is still

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Speaker 20: actually interest rates and those increases for families, and the

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Speaker 20: demand that's putting on household budgets is absolutely enormous. So

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Speaker 20: yes that the Finance Minister will be very pleased that

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Speaker 20: these are now coming into effect and putting a few

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Speaker 20: dollars back, but she will also be looking across the

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Speaker 20: road at the Reserve Bank governor, hoping that sooner rather

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Speaker 20: than later. I'm sure he also does his bit with

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Speaker 20: interest rates.

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Speaker 10: Well, this was the budgey smuggler of tax cuts, really,

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's basically the equivalent of a packet of

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Speaker 10: Huggies for most families. But that's something that's something that

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Speaker 10: people think it's nothing will feel free to donate it

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Speaker 10: to charities like ChildFund. But I still think, Andrew, you

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Speaker 10: look at this, I think there's what fourteen billion dollars

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Speaker 10: and tax cuts over four years. I think at the

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Speaker 10: same time, debt is going to go up by thirty

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Speaker 10: two billion dollars. That's government debt. So in other words,

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Speaker 10: this tax cut is still being paid by debt. And

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Speaker 10: if it's being paid by debt, all you're doing is

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Speaker 10: making sure that people are going to have to pay

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Speaker 10: more tax in the future, and that will probably be

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Speaker 10: me and you, let alone everybody else who's younger than us.

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Speaker 10: So it's not really a tax cut, and it's not

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Speaker 10: doing anything about productivity and growing the economy. Right, you know,

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Speaker 10: it's a bit of a damp squad. It's a budget smuggler.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Josie, and thank you so much, Trish.

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Speaker 2: It is now seven to six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather du for Sea

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Speaker 1: Allan Drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for

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Speaker 1: Business US Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zibby newsok ZIBB. Text three from Ben Ben says, I

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Speaker 2: am so happy I get to keep more of my

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Speaker 2: own money. I don't care if it's twenty dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: twenty dollars more than the other lot was going to

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Speaker 2: give me. Bring it on, so we'll talk to Nichola

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Speaker 2: Wis about this in just a few moments time. The

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister right after the news will talk about the

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Speaker 2: tax cuts, what you will notice and what you don't,

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Speaker 2: and we'll try and get here to pressure the Reserve

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Speaker 2: Bank to bring down the interest rates as well. That's

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Speaker 2: another thing we can talk about. But here's another bit

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Speaker 2: about the Reserve Bank. What is holding back the conversion

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Speaker 2: of disused offices into apartments and our CBDs. Apparently it's

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Speaker 2: the interest rates because it's charged at commercial rates. And

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Speaker 2: there's a group of people who wanting the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: to start talking about interest rates so that they can

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Speaker 2: take some of these disused office buildings and turn them

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Speaker 2: into apartments, which will help the housing crisis and do

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Speaker 2: all sorts of things. So the Reserve Bank is likely

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Speaker 2: to get it in the neck from two people, possibly

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Speaker 2: over the course of the next twenty minutes. Here on

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Speaker 2: Newstalk ZMB no Rock and Roll, Thank.

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Speaker 9: You, Lac episode amounts.

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Speaker 17: Isn't that sweet?

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Speaker 2: That's the spiss.

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Speaker 1: We're Business Insight the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and

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Speaker 1: My Hr on News a B.

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Speaker 2: That's good evening.

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Speaker 21: I'm Andrew.

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Speaker 2: I mean for hither who's taking leaves. She's back on

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Speaker 2: Monday at seven after six. So the latest US inflation

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Speaker 2: data looks quite promising and people are starting to talk

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Speaker 2: about rapecuts by the Fed. Will there or won't there be?

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Shane Solely from Harbord Asset Management about

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Speaker 2: that and Fletchers in just a few months time. But

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Speaker 2: first we're joined by our Finance Minister Nicola with us.

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Speaker 2: Hello Nicola, Kling Andrew, big day for you, lots of

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Speaker 2: announcements you and Christopher talking about the tax cuts they

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Speaker 2: come into effect on Wednesday, with two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand employers across New Zealand taking a little less money

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Speaker 2: from their employees pay packets.

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Speaker 6: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Those employers are ready for this.

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Speaker 5: Good It's a big week for New Zealand workers. We

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Speaker 5: have been working with payroll providers across the country to

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Speaker 5: make sure they've changed their system so that from Wednesday

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Speaker 5: people will only pay the right amount of tax and

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Speaker 5: that's the less tax than they have been paying. So

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Speaker 5: for New Zealanders this means relief is coming and it's

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Speaker 5: on track to Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: And would you advise employees though to double check their

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Speaker 2: pace that just in case their employers have not quite

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Speaker 2: crossed all the t's and dotted the eyes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think that's a good idea. Can spare

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Speaker 5: your pacelets with what it was the fortnight before, make

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Speaker 5: sure that you are being charged at lower rate of text.

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Speaker 5: We've been advised by payroll providers that they're confident that

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Speaker 5: made for changes. If for any reason there was a

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Speaker 5: problem and the text changes didn't flow through to you,

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Speaker 5: you can still get it in areas, so you will

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Speaker 5: get what's owed to you eventually. I have no reason

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Speaker 5: to think that you won't be getting it from the

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Speaker 5: time you do now.

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Speaker 2: While the text cuts obviously give you money back, and

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Speaker 2: I've got many texts people saying how lovely I get

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Speaker 2: my money back, You obviously get money back from a

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Speaker 2: text cut is inherent in the name. The opposition, though,

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Speaker 2: is arguing you're also taking money though with some of

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Speaker 2: your other policies around user pays, local governance and all

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Speaker 2: sorts of things, and so the net cost of living

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Speaker 2: remains high. What would you say to that?

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Speaker 5: I just stated that, oh my goodness, that is the

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Speaker 5: government that, through fuel on the inflation fire created the

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Speaker 5: cost of living crisis, and we're content to keep wasting

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Speaker 5: billions of dollars on wasteful programs across government. To have

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Speaker 5: cried about every reduction we've made, and public servants in Wellington,

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Speaker 5: every wasteful program we've stopped, they've said no. The truth

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Speaker 5: is the opposition would rather they had that money than

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Speaker 5: New Zealanders. That they voted against tax relief, and our

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Speaker 5: government is determined that hard working people and a cost

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Speaker 5: of lowing crisis should get to keep more of what

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Speaker 5: they earn. We're delivering it in labor. Never would have

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Speaker 5: done it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Health New Zealand, here's a budgetary thing for you.

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Speaker 2: And you should know this because you run your hand

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Speaker 2: over all the budgets. Health New Zealand has gone from

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Speaker 2: running a surplus to running a huge deficit pretty much

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Speaker 2: within a year. And the question that everyone is asking

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Speaker 2: is where did it all go wrong? And there's so

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Speaker 2: many different theories. Maggie Arthurs say we hired too many nurses,

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Speaker 2: Others that saying you haven't funded enough. Where do you

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Speaker 2: think it went wrong?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think this was a boxed merger. You'll remember

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Speaker 5: that the government decided to throw the bees together. The

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Speaker 5: immediate aftermath of a pandemic. There were many frontline health

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Speaker 5: workers who said, hey, are you sure it's really a

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Speaker 5: great idea to be doing this massive restructure. And we've

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Speaker 5: just come through the last crisis. And then we as

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Speaker 5: a government came in and found that the board was

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Speaker 5: struggling to even get oversight of what was happening with

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Speaker 5: the financial performance of the health system because all of

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Speaker 5: the systems had been thrown up in the year and

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Speaker 5: then rearranged. So we've acted fast to make sure we

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Speaker 5: had capable Crown observer put in, to make sure that

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Speaker 5: we had people with financial capability on the board. Ultimately,

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Speaker 5: that wasn't enough to give us confidence that this system

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Speaker 5: could be well managed, and so we've sent a commissioner

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Speaker 5: in and look, I just say, Andrew, this is all

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Speaker 5: about making sure the dollars go where they can make

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Speaker 5: the biggest difference, which is to patience. And we didn't

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Speaker 5: have the confidence that we could see where the dollars

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Speaker 5: were going, and we need to have that confidence.

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Speaker 2: With one health authority. Of course, the fear was your

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Speaker 2: empire building and bureaucratic expansion. But with four regional health authorities,

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Speaker 2: don't you have four opportunities for building and rampant bureaucratic expansion.

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Speaker 5: Well, the promise for sufficiency, that was what the reforms

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Speaker 5: will need to be about, reducing the layers of bureaucracy

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Speaker 5: and administration. We simply haven't seen that yet and that's

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Speaker 5: what we are demanding because we want actually the voice

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Speaker 5: of the nurse, the voice of the doctor to be

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Speaker 5: listened to in the system and where things need to change,

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Speaker 5: that they can change quickly. As it is, there are

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Speaker 5: so many layers of management that the health system can't

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Speaker 5: be as responsive as it needs to be, and our

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Speaker 5: approach is all about making it easier for nurses doctors

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Speaker 5: to give patients the cares that we need.

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Speaker 2: Apparently Labour would like you to open the health books

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Speaker 2: just to try and approve who's right in Auder's argument,

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Speaker 2: Are you happy with that? Would you do that?

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Speaker 5: Well, look, we do want to be upfront and transparent

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Speaker 5: about what's going on, and the challenge that we have

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Speaker 5: had over these past few months is getting that information

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Speaker 5: out of Health New Zealand so haphazard with the systems

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Speaker 5: that the outgoing government left it with, and it's monitoring

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Speaker 5: of those systems that we have found it challenging to

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Speaker 5: get basic financial information, and we're now on that case.

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Speaker 5: But I think being transparent about that improvement in the

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Speaker 5: funding position over time is going to be helpful for

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Speaker 5: building trust and confidence.

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Speaker 2: Good. Yes, And as Stephen Joyce said over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: you know this is the biggest single merger in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's business history, eighty thousand staff. You know it dwarf

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Speaker 2: on terror. So yeah, they a lot got dropped.

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Speaker 23: So let's like listen my observation as Andrew, they designed

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Speaker 23: it on paper and it was all a big theory,

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Speaker 23: but they had no real plan to operationalize it in

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Speaker 23: a practical, real world way.

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Speaker 2: Right, Let's get to the big one, which I haven't

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Speaker 2: asked first because you can't actually influence them. Should the

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Speaker 2: Reserve Bank drop interest rates? Look, I'm seeing wholesale interest rates,

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Speaker 2: you know, dropping. I'm seeing the retail bank say you

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Speaker 2: could actually do it in August not November. I know

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Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be able to influence, but you know,

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Speaker 2: could they Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Look, I've seen all that commentary. There are many banks

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Speaker 5: picking a reduction and the official cash rates earlier than

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Speaker 5: they were previously forecasting. Certainly there are a lot of

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Speaker 5: New Zealanders who want to see that. I've got to

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Speaker 5: stick in my lane, and my lane is all about

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Speaker 5: ensuring we've put the conditions in place that the Reserve

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Speaker 5: Bank can cut interest rate. And we've done that. That's

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Speaker 5: why we've been so careful about our spending because we

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Speaker 5: don't want to be putting pressure on inflation. We've done

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Speaker 5: everything we can and you've seen that inflation number is

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Speaker 5: coming down now down to three point three, so it's

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Speaker 5: dropped pretty quickly and that's exactly what the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 5: needs to see in order that they can make changes

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Speaker 5: to the interest rate.

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Speaker 2: All right, nick I thank you said very very much

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Speaker 2: for your time and as thinking you so much so

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Speaker 2: that I didn't even ask you about the greens of

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Speaker 2: Darling townic because I thank you. I think we're all

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Speaker 2: over it. So that thank you very much.

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Speaker 21: That is.

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Speaker 2: Got better things they're thinking about. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis is the Finance Minister. This is News Talk ZEB.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks B. It is seventeen after six change solely

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Speaker 2: on the way looking at the latest economic data. Not

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Speaker 2: a pretty picture, it's fair to say. But more on

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Speaker 2: that in just a few moments time. She's all going

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Speaker 2: the US. But the election, is it not? In the

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Speaker 2: transition from Biden to Harris, of course, opinions have been

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Speaker 2: wildly fluctuating. At the height of Biden's bumbling, I thought

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Speaker 2: the election was Trump's to lose, particularly after he survived

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Speaker 2: an assassination. I mean, he was on the home stretch then,

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Speaker 2: wasn't he. But over the weekend I watched some Fox

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Speaker 2: News and they were showing polls and polls showing that

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Speaker 2: the results have even up a bit in some liberal states.

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Speaker 2: Harris has surged. We are one week into the Harris

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Speaker 2: era and it hasn't weakened the Democrats at all. It

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Speaker 2: is still a tight race, and Trump is up again

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Speaker 2: someone considerably younger and sprightlier than him. So my whole

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Speaker 2: feeling about this is it's going to be fun. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be a great watch. Meanwhile, I was reading

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Speaker 2: the Weekend Herald on Saturday morning and they ran the

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Speaker 2: results of a survey taken just before the assassination attempt.

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Speaker 2: Why I got to read about it this past Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems very late, doesn't it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: The pole said that seventy five percent of Kiwis are

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Speaker 2: concerned about a second Trump presidency. Thirty nine percent are

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Speaker 2: extremely concerned. You know what I'm concerned about. The posters

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Speaker 2: didn't tell us what the Kiwis were concerned about, so

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Speaker 2: it's useless. The States is not our country. If I

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Speaker 2: was to have a concern about Trump right now, my

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Speaker 2: concern would be his nationalism, which results in him walking

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Speaker 2: away from trade. And we've seen this before in the

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Speaker 2: first presidency around CPTPP doesn't like it. He wants the

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Speaker 2: jobs back in America. He doesn't want he wants the

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Speaker 2: meat being made in America, not in New Zealand. Tramp

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Speaker 2: is an anti globalist, which is unfortunate for New Zealand

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: because we're trapped at the bottom of the world, surrounded

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 2: by sea, and we are dependent on global trade. We

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01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 2: have to be a globalist. I mean, all those Trump

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01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 2: supporters in this country who are also anti globalists, can

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Speaker 2: I ask you, how do you expect this country to

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01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: make a living anyway? So who are the pollsters who

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01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: told us We're concerned, but didn't tell us what we

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 2: were concerned about. Tall but mills And they are also

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01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 2: the posters for the Labor Party both here and in Australia,

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01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 2: and their pole also reported concerns about rising political division.

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01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: So I have to say that an insufficient poll from

1519
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 2: a left leaning polling company quoted some ill defined concern

1520
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: amongst New Zealanders for a candidate in a completely different country. Well,

1521
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 2: the whole thing is probably not worth The paper was

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01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 2: written on and in fact designed only to continue the

1523
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: binary political division we have these days. And I thought

1524
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Speaker 2: to myself, why did I read that in the Herald.

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Speaker 2: It's six twenty.

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Speaker 6: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Andrew Dickins

1527
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Speaker 6: with The Business Hour.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on

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Speaker 1: News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: And I Welcome to the program. First time I've spoken

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01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: to Shane Solely from Harvard Asset Management. Hello Shane, Hey,

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01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 2: Andrew here, you going very good. We've got some inflation

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01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,560
Speaker 2: data data. We've got some inflation data out from the

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 2: United States of America and it's looking promising. And could

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01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: that mean a rate cut by the Fed?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it is. It is data data, whatever you want

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01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,839
Speaker 21: to call it, and we saw a personal consumption experience.

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 21: This is the key media that the Central Bank and

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01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 21: the US of Federal Reserve focuses on. It came in

1540
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,799
Speaker 21: zero point two percent for during two point six percent

1541
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 21: for the year, and it just means that the US

1542
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 21: is on track to hit the fence inflation target. They've

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 21: got a meeting on Thursday to discuss whether they're going

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 21: to cut rates or not. And Sumi markets don't think

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01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 21: they will do it this time, but they'll start using

1546
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 21: language it's more softer about reflecting their full and inflation

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01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 21: and labor markets, and so there's a lot of thinking

1548
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 21: about as the captain September or there's a later and

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 21: Sumi markets have got quite a lot price in. If

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01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 21: they do start cutting, there's a long way to go

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01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 21: back to sort of four percent by June twenty five,

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01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 21: so more than one and a quarter percent, And of

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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 21: course that's helpful for our part of the world as well.

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01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 21: Whereas our long term government bonders interest rates ten to

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01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 21: refer back to that US rate.

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Speaker 2: Do we want lower rates?

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01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 6: Do we want?

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01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Because during COVID we had

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01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 2: everyone was going God, God, do it, Go, go and invest.

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01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: They're giving the money away. It's free money, and they

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: can actually distort an economy just as much as expensive money.

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Speaker 21: You're right, Yeah, And there's no such thing as as

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01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 21: free rates. But you're right. They're abnormally low and it

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01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 21: creates some abnormal outcome. And that's the price we're paying

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01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 21: right now, Andrew. And that's why we've got central bank

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01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 21: rates back to above average. Long run. This is still

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Speaker 21: a by average, and so we would expect them to

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01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 21: settle somewhere a little bit lower. But I unlikely see

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Speaker 21: them to go back to the COVID lows unless we

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Speaker 21: do actually have a disaster like COVID or war.

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Speaker 2: Or something like that. But there we go. Is it is,

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Speaker 2: by the way, it is data because I checked this.

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01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: Apparently data data was the americanization. Data is what Router says,

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to train myself to say data. So

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01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: let's talk about New Zealand economic data, which continue to

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01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 2: be weaker than we thought.

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01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 21: Yeah, and anyone's got the string of weaker data. Confume

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01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 21: again with another piece today, which is a data point

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01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 21: that's not looked at very often. It's filled jobs employment,

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01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 21: and that's a bit of an indicator about whether the

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 21: employment growth is stepping up or down. And unfortunately we're

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01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 21: down zero point six percent for the gen quarter. And

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01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 21: that means the unemployment that I may actually get above

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01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 21: five percent in the reserve bank. That's again when they

1585
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 21: think about sitting policy, they're thinking it's going to be

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01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 21: ads to four and a half four point six percent.

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01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 21: So unemployment will we hire means there's more capacity in

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01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 21: economy taking some of that inflation pushed out. We all

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01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 21: know it, we can see it in the street. But

1590
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 21: there's a question about central bank policy works for the

1591
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 21: lag takes time to work, and so we're all thinking

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01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 21: about when does the reserve banking down cut rates. Do

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01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 21: they go in August or in fact, do they go

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01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 21: a little bit later as some of this non tradable

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01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 21: inflation peaks. So it's kind of win rather than if.

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01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 21: And certainly our economy is a weekend quite fast. And

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Speaker 21: I know Minster Nicolaie wallis making some comments this afternoon saying,

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Speaker 21: there you are a reserve bank, You've got what you need.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But she wouldn't quite say that with me because

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: she's got She said, I've got to stay in my

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01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: own lane. But you know it's a week wink and

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01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: a nudge nudge there.

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01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 21: It's important central Bank, that's independent. Part of the reason

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01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 21: people trust us.

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01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but go on, honestly, quint manche nuts. Now it's

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01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: not just Kimi Ral that has problems with boats, because

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01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 2: Fletcher Building had a problem with a cement bulk cement

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01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: carrier ship as well, and now they're building their whole

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01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: share prices down. They've had another further earnings down, Greg,

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01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 2: What's what's gone wrong there?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, really unfortunate for Fletcher Building. Ship I's done out

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01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 21: of the five point seven percent today two three dollars

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01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 21: thirteen and indeed they've given a profit guidance warning of

1614
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 21: a ten to thirty million dollar hits from the disruption

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01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 21: with the vessel the cement carrier having to be a

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01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 21: peer out of the next two to four months and

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01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 21: it tend to thirty mean is about a four percent

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01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 21: cut to earning spot Bus relative to what the market

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01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 21: had expected. It's really unfortunate for Fletcher Building mainly have

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01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 21: a modest impact for the New Zealand buildings through there

1621
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 21: are ways around this. They can truck, they can use

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01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 21: containerized shipping to get that cement to where it needs

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01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 21: to be, or they can actually do contracts with third

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01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 21: party cement supplies which is wholesome. So yep, a bit

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Speaker 21: of a hip Fletcher building. They just can't catch a

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Speaker 21: break at the moment. And this is just another.

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Speaker 2: Good on your Shane Sally, I thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: And Shane comes to us from Harbord Asset Management and

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Speaker 2: this is Newstalk ZB still to come. Gavin Gray from

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01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: the UK might talk a little bit about Oh well

1631
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 2: I did talk about America a bit, didn't I okay,

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01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 2: I won't talk about America anymore. We'll get back to

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01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 2: the UK with Gavin. This is new Stalks of V.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all

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01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and my HR,

1636
01:22:42,080 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: the HR platform for s News talks bus.

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01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 2: New I'm Andrew Dickins. The Olympics continue tonight. Well and

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 2: I got the ship right here at first events the

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01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: pvpm ow and Robinson and the shooting. He's doing the

1640
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: trap and we've got the women's pair and the rowing

1641
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: and the COXUS women and they're in a raper charge

1642
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 2: that's not a good book. And on we go of

1643
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 2: course all coverage on Gold Sport and also on iHeartRadio.

1644
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,879
Speaker 2: About an hour ago, we were talking with Josie mcganey

1645
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: and Trischets and we recounted the story of the volunteer

1646
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 2: at the Olympic pool in Paris who stripped down to

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01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 2: his very fancy budget smugglers to retrieve a bathing cap

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01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: from the pool, and much has been made about the

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01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 2: fact that he was wearing a budget smugglers, and Josie

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01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: revealed that her husband was basically told when he turned

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01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 2: up in a pair of board shorts that he would

1652
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 2: be arrested and that it was a legal priority that

1653
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 2: he had to wear budget smugglers and Paris, and we

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01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 2: all laughed and went, Hoho, that's very funny. I now

1655
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 2: have a text from Neck who says exactly the same

1656
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 2: thing happened to me in France. I had to go

1657
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: out and buy a pair of skimpy trunks from a

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01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: vending machine in the reception of the pool. My daughters

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01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 2: thought it was all very, very funny, because the pulse

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: said to me it was a hygiene issue. You can

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01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: wear board shorts, you can wear shorts and Paris, but

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01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 2: you need to wear some budgey smokers underneath just a

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01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 2: handy hack. It is twenty three to.

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01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 6: Seven News Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 2: All right, we've got a Wellington property developer who's calling

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01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: on the Reserve Bank to make it easier to finance,

1667
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 2: repurpose to rent developments. So these are vacant and underused

1668
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 2: commercial buildings that you can then convert into apartment Alec

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 2: Castle's has been doing a whole heap of these in

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01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 2: Wellington and he wants to form a coalition of the

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: will of the willing to ask the Reserve Bank to

1672
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 2: make it easier and cheaper to make this happen. So

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Speaker 2: Alex Castle's joins me.

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01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 7: Now, hello Alex, Hi there, Hey, you going Andrew good?

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01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: Explain how can the Reserve Bank make a repurposing of

1676
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 2: commercial buildings cheaper?

1677
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 7: I just have to rec leaked my thoughts so distracted

1678
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 7: by the bugly sorry, the budge smugglers. I don't see

1679
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 7: that one coming. No, So how can they make it cheaper? Well,

1680
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 7: there are various different sorts of lending, and so different

1681
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 7: forms of loan loans attract different interest rates. And why

1682
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 7: that's the case, is a more risky loan like a

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01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 7: commercial probably lie or a loan that's deemed more risky

1684
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 7: by the reserve bank by the regulator requires the bank

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01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 7: to hold more capital against that loan to safeguard against

1686
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 7: the fault. And as you get progressively less risky loans

1687
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,799
Speaker 7: or loans that are perceived as less risky, that capital allocation,

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01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 7: that amount of money that has to get held against

1689
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 7: the loan the safeguard against the fault reduces and reduces

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01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 7: thereby allowing them than to lend more of its money

1691
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 7: put more of its money to work. That then allows

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01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 7: the bank to charge a lower interest.

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01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: Right, So are you are you actually telling me that

1694
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: if you're wanting to build a twenty story apartment building

1695
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 2: from scratch, you can borrow that up sort of like

1696
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: at a residential rate, and that is cheaper. But if

1697
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 2: you want to take an already existing twinty story commercial

1698
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: building and convert it into apartments, it's going to cost

1699
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: you more to social money.

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01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 7: Not well, merely, it's not not exactly to be honest,

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01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 7: All build to rent developments, whether they are a repurpose

1702
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 7: or a new build, would attract the commercial interest rate,

1703
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 7: and that that comes. If that comes, there comes a

1704
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 7: higher rate of residential or or possibly more more importantly

1705
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 7: like infrastructure. I think what we're talking about here is

1706
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 7: the capacity or the ability for the build to rent

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01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 7: and repurposing to to be more of like a social infrastructure.

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01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 2: Gotcha, where you know, welded communities.

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01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 7: Building safety and cities and providing long term tenure in

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01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 7: affordable rents.

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01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: So let's keep it simple. You know, the build to

1712
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: rent attracts a commercial rate. We know the government sees

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01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 2: build to rent as a way of solving the housing crisis,

1714
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 2: So surely the government should actually get rid of the

1715
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 2: higher interest rate scenario if they could around build to rent.

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01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Can they do that or is this up to the

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01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank alone because they're independent.

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01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 7: It would be up to the Reserve that the Reserve

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Speaker 7: Bank are independent, as you say, But I think, yeah,

1720
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Speaker 7: this idea that we can view build to rent as

1721
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 7: a form of social infrastructure, And well, I think the

1722
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 7: other thing is where government or local government or community

1723
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 7: housing providers form part of a leasing arrangement that then

1724
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 7: makes the proposition safer from a commercial perspective. That's another

1725
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 7: way that an interest rate could be driven down because

1726
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 7: that perceived risk. These capital locations all come down to

1727
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 7: perceive risk if the risk is less. If the risk

1728
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 7: is lower, then there's a less chance of default, and

1729
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,839
Speaker 7: obviously a mass number of defaults and one lending category.

1730
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 7: That's what we saw with the GFC, too much easy

1731
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 7: lending to I guess people with gout the credentials to

1732
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 7: have those loans. It's all about maintaining the security and

1733
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 7: the I guess, the reliability of the financial system. But

1734
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 7: if we I think we're where were we were looking

1735
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 7: at social infrastructure and particularly lease arrangements then involved chips

1736
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,560
Speaker 7: or local councils, there's a degree of safety there in

1737
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 7: a range of outcomes that I think just by.

1738
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Such loans absolutely, and I know, I know you've done

1739
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 2: some things. I know you've done some of the things

1740
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 2: in Wellington, but without you know, the handy loan rates.

1741
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if we look at Auckland,

1742
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 2: which has a midtown full of the outdated commercial buildings

1743
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: that they find almost impossible to lease out. Our town

1744
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 2: has moved north, basically down to the waterfront, and we

1745
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: have this you know, no man's name of all sorts

1746
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 2: of terrible buildings and that's also attracting terrible people. That's

1747
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 2: a place that really desperately needs to be redeveloped.

1748
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 7: I agree with you entirely, and I think what we've

1749
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 7: seen in Wellington is you know, there's a there was

1750
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 7: an article recently about some of the properties that we've

1751
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 7: done in Upper Willis Street, and you know, a reverend

1752
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 7: from from a nearby church made comments that the cohort

1753
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 7: of people in the area had changed quite significantly as

1754
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 7: a result of basically residentialization of a of a number

1755
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 7: of undutilized office buildings. And I think the same can

1756
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 7: happen in the christ and sorry not christ could Crassias

1757
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 7: but been an awklind. I think even Queen's Pak Road,

1758
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 7: some of those areas that have kind of have reached

1759
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 7: an impass, really they could they could turn around quite

1760
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 7: quickly if residentual populations were built up there and in communities.

1761
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,639
Speaker 7: Really that's the most important the a result.

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Speaker 2: I get that. However, I do have one one worry

1763
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 2: because more and more people have been talking to her

1764
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 2: are part of body corporates and et cetera. Talk about

1765
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: the rate of failure in terms of where the tightness

1766
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 2: et cetera is far greater in a reuse building than

1767
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 2: a new build building.

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Speaker 7: Would you agree, Oh, No, that depends entirely on the materials.

1769
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Speaker 7: I think there were a lot of in the early

1770
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 7: nineties there was a lot of I guess the building

1771
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 7: materials in that period were sully more problematic. I think

1772
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 7: in a concrete building, you know, a well well built

1773
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 7: concrete building, you'd be be pretty good. I don't think

1774
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 7: there will be an issue.

1775
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Speaker 2: Alex, come to Auckland. We need you and I thank

1776
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: you so much for your time today.

1777
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:45,560
Speaker 7: Great nice to talk to you. Thank you.

1778
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 2: Alex Castle's he's a Wellington property developer. He's done these conversions.

1779
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: He's built to rents in the middle of Wellington and

1780
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 2: that could be an answer for Auckland's midtown sort to

1781
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: come Gavin Gray from the UK. Somebody also asked why

1782
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: are farm interest rates so high? It's all about, as

1783
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 2: he said, perceived risks. There's all sorts of perceived risks.

1784
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: I don't understand why some things I like build what

1785
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 2: I don't understand a lot of these perceived risks. But

1786
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 2: ask the people doing the perceptions. But they're the ones

1787
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 2: holding us back. It is sixteen to seven. Gavin Gray's

1788
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 2: in the UK, so he's still to come before seven

1789
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 2: o'clock and after seven, is it Jason byme? Gosh, that

1790
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 2: man's working all night. What a hard worker. This is

1791
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 2: News Talks at B everything.

1792
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: From SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour with

1793
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens and my HR, the HR platform for SME

1794
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: US talk sat B.

1795
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 2: Yes, our texts coming back about this. Who in their

1796
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 2: right mind would live in terrible, ghastic chicken coop houses?

1797
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 2: Have you ever considered that some people don't have the

1798
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 2: wherewithal all the ability to live in better houses than that,

1799
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 2: And sometimes what they want is just a roof. They

1800
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: can afford all sorts of people and it's all about

1801
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 2: choice if they want to live it is. And this

1802
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 2: is what I think people forget about some of our

1803
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 2: apartment developments. You have to offer choice. While you might

1804
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: not want to live in it, While you might not

1805
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 2: want to live in a house it has no car park,

1806
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 2: there are people that do, and they are called a market.

1807
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 2: And a person who's making property and selling it needs

1808
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 2: to know about these markets. And if they make a

1809
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 2: house without a car park, they probably know that there's

1810
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 2: a market there. Anyway, Thank you for your text. Ninety

1811
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 2: two to ninety two is the number right Now we

1812
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 2: go to the UK Kevin Great joins us.

1813
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,799
Speaker 11: Hello Kevin, good morning Andrews.

1814
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 2: I would never swim in the Seine, would you.

1815
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 11: That's certainly not at the moment. The athletes for the

1816
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 11: Olympics were scheduled to swim in the Sane in fact

1817
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 11: around now, but a joint decision from representatives of World

1818
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 11: Triathlon and the organization responsible for carrying out water quality

1819
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 11: tests has canceled the swim for health reasons, and the

1820
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 11: same decision, of course, was reached yesterday. It comes just

1821
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 11: that twenty four hour period after the men's triathlon racing,

1822
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 11: the first competitive open water swimming event to be held

1823
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 11: at Paris in twenty twenty four. But I'm afraid the

1824
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 11: tests revealed water quality levels that frankly were not up

1825
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 11: to scratch. Why well, because France and in particular Paris

1826
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 11: has what's called a combined sewer system, and that means

1827
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 11: both wastewater and storm water flow through the same pipes.

1828
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 11: So when there's here the rainfall, as of course there

1829
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,480
Speaker 11: was at the opening ceremony, those pipes reach capacity and wastewater,

1830
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 11: including sewage, overflows into the River Saine instead of being

1831
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 11: treated in a treatment plant, and so Consequently, I'm afraid

1832
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 11: the riversin Is at the moment just simply not fit

1833
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 11: with frankly a lot of fecal matter in it, not

1834
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 11: particularly pleasant for the swimmers. Embarrassing because France has spent

1835
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 11: a staggering amount of money roughly two and a half

1836
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 11: billion New Zealand dollars in a bid to improve water

1837
01:33:58,600 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 11: quality ahead of the Games.

1838
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Now, Gavin, can I just say that having wastewater and

1839
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,600
Speaker 2: water combined in a combined system doesn't just have it

1840
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: in Paris, in France, that it happens all around New

1841
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 2: Zealand and coulding in Auckland, New Zealand, you know. And

1842
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: so my son, who happens to work as a water

1843
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 2: quality engineer dealing with wastewater, said, gee, is that rain?

1844
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 2: When he was watching the opening ceremony, he went, that's

1845
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 2: not good? And I said, why is that he's here? Well,

1846
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 2: that's there's going to be a whole lot of crap

1847
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 2: going straight to the sein right now. And I think

1848
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine. I can't imagine just the naive, foolhardy

1849
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 2: hope that was inside the organizers and the city's mines,

1850
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,639
Speaker 2: that they could spend so much money thinking they could

1851
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:41,719
Speaker 2: do that without actually completely revamping the entire stormwater system

1852
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 2: of Paris.

1853
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 11: But who And I'm afraid London has the same system too,

1854
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 11: So yeah, yeah, so.

1855
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, dumb call. But there we go.

1856
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 21: All right.

1857
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,799
Speaker 2: The UK government is well, apparently, according to your new chancellor,

1858
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 2: has broken broken and so you're now on a money

1859
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 2: saving drive.

1860
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 11: We're on a money saying drive. And it's very interesting

1861
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 11: this because both the Conservative Party who got ousted and

1862
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 11: the Labor Party, the incoming party in our UK general

1863
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 11: election back on the fourth of July, both said well,

1864
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 11: we're going to stick to the current schedule of spending

1865
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 11: and taxing, and there were lots of promises about no,

1866
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 11: we're not going to tax this, No, we're not going

1867
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 11: to tax this. Well, I think we're about to see

1868
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 11: some tax rises now because the new government is claiming

1869
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 11: there is a massive forty five billion New Zealand dollar

1870
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 11: black hole in the finances of this country. And that's

1871
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 11: not a one off, Andrew, that's every year. And so

1872
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 11: to get around this, we expect the new chancellor, the

1873
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 11: first female chancellor the UK, Rachel reeves to unveil a

1874
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 11: massive round of cuts to basically road rail projects, a

1875
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 11: reduction on spending and external consultants, and also cuts to

1876
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 11: public sector spending and waste. But sure apparently going to

1877
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 11: accuse the previous government of covering up these shortfalls and

1878
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 11: then running away, so pretty strong language which the Conservative

1879
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 11: Party Rishie Sun Next Party have completely denied. They say,

1880
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 11: we warned you labor will rise taxes and indeed, now

1881
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,600
Speaker 11: look they are going to raise these taxes and we

1882
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 11: warned you they were going to do it. So lots

1883
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 11: of backbiting, backwards and forwards here. Incidentally, one of the

1884
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 11: big projects that I think is probably going to be

1885
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:26,639
Speaker 11: canceled is the road tunnel under Stonehenge, the World Heritage

1886
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 11: Site and the Ancient Well artwork or artifact, and gosh,

1887
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 11: you know what, lots of new hospitals won't be built

1888
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 11: as well at this moment. So it really is going

1889
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 11: to be a massive, massive cut to expenditure.

1890
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 2: And the similar thing happened here in New Zealand as well,

1891
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 2: except we have our political allegiances around about face, you know,

1892
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 2: and that we've ended out with the right wing government

1893
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 2: complaining about the lift wing government when we are broken,

1894
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 2: broken and we need to make cuts at CITAN, but

1895
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about text risers. So yeah, funny odd thing.

1896
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 2: Now speaking to me, you mentioned Richard Richie Sunk, and

1897
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 2: of course he's not continuing who would wants them, but

1898
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 2: who wants the job because you know, people are starting

1899
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 2: to talk about the death of the Conservative Party.

1900
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 11: Yes, indeed they are, and so they need a new, bright,

1901
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 11: shiny leader, somebody that's going to attract support, not just

1902
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 11: among MPs, after all, there aren't that many other Conservative

1903
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 11: MPs left, but among the wider public of course. And

1904
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 11: so the first round, the deadline to get your nomination in, Andrew, well, no,

1905
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 11: you cot your nomination in too become the next loue

1906
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 11: to the Conservative Party closes at two thirty local time.

1907
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 11: That's six seven hours ahead really from now. And we

1908
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 11: now learn that perhaps one of the favorites, one of

1909
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 11: the outsiders, and yet one of the favorites is an

1910
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 11: odd sort of combination that a lady called Kemy Badenock

1911
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 11: has thrown her hat into the ring. She is a

1912
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 11: forty four year old and she took her first jobs

1913
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 11: it were in government with the Boris Johnson and she

1914
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 11: really has been very popular among Conservative Party members and

1915
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 11: it is they who have the final say on who

1916
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 11: replaces them, So she joins the whole crowd now of

1917
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 11: half a dozen others looking to take on the job.

1918
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 11: But there may be more throwing the hat into the

1919
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 11: ring before the deadline at two thirty local time happens,

1920
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 11: and so consequently this is going to be an interesting one.

1921
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 11: She has said she's probably going to want to leave

1922
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 11: the European Convention on Human Rights, that is massively controversial

1923
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 11: within the country and the party. Some conservatives say it

1924
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 11: is the only way to control immigration to leave that convention.

1925
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 11: Others are saying it'll damage our international reputation and legal protections.

1926
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 11: And she's also saying, you know, we need to concentrate

1927
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 11: on what we stand for and a few of the

1928
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 11: basics rather than do lots of things. Not very well.

1929
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 11: But the Conservative Party only one hundred and twenty one

1930
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 11: MPs now, gosh, they really were pretty much slaughtered back

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Speaker 11: much infighting will there be. I do think one big

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Speaker 11: mistake they've made, Andrew is they're not actually going to

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Speaker 11: announce the winner until believed or not November, and that

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Speaker 11: gives us the opportunity to witness four months of infighting.

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Speaker 2: Very good seth Kevin Gray from the UK, I thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time. News talks here be coming up

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Speaker 2: Big time for me to go this have some music,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Medicine. What have you got for me?

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Speaker 24: Paris Hilton is beck Baby. She is releasing her second

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Speaker 24: album Romember. She had an albut Meck in two thousand

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Speaker 24: and six. Well, this is going to be a second

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Speaker 24: one and it's coming out in September. The album will

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Speaker 24: be called Infinite Icon and this song is called Chasin Wow.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know she came in. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know what she was famous for, but that was it music.

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Speaker 8: But there we go.

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