1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: In the US, a manhunter is still underway to find 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: the person who killed conservative activist Charlie Kirk in Utah 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: this morning. Donald Trump has called the killing a dark moment, 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: and flags on the White House are flying at half mass. 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: US correspondent Jonathan Kursley is back with us. 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: Hey, Jonathan, Heather always gets choking out. 7 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: What have they told us about the person they're looking for? 8 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: Well, essentially not much. I mean, what we are seeing 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: is video being circulated online of a person that had 10 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: been on the roof in the moments before that shooting 11 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: had taken place, and clearly now that is the person 12 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: that they are looking for. The manhunt very much continues. 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: They had arrested two people were taken into custody two 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: people earlier today. One was described as a person of interest. 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 2: Both of them have been released. One was an old man, 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 2: the other a younger male. But clearly now this manhunt continues. 17 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: There were hundreds of people at this university gathering that 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk so often does. This is what he was 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: known for, going into universities, taking in his political action 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: group that he started when he was eighteen, and openly 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: debating his ideas with students. He's a conservative thinker. He 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: believed in a free speech, he believed in the Americans 23 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: right for people to bear arms, and he was quite 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 2: confrontational with his views. Some viewed him as controversial. Donald 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: Trump clearly viewed him as an ally and even essentially 26 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: said that he had helped win him last year's election. Now, 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: at the age of thirty one, he's been assassinated in America. 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: He's facing yet another watershed moment when it comes to 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: gun violence and politically motivated violence. 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I mean, this is nuts, right the political debate. It's 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: nuts that the political debate has gone this way. So 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: the question I suppose, is this an infliction point where 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: people stop and reflect and change course, or do you 34 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: think this is simply the new normal. 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: Well, you've got some on the far right side of politics, 36 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: the Alex Joneses of Info Wars fames essentially saying that 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: they are now at war with the left. You had 38 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: Jesse Waters from Rupert Murdoch's Fox News saying that the 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: left has been accusing the right of being at war 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: and now the right, in his words, will no longer 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: stand for it. Donald Trump himself spoke from the Oval 42 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: offers and essentially said that it was the rhetoric of 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: what he said was the radical left was responsible for, 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: in his words, the terrorism they're seeing in the country now, 45 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: and said it must stop. Now. He has made a 46 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: point of singling out rhetoric from what he views as 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: the radical left, from the left side of politics. You've 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: got to remember, too, Donald Trump survived two assassination attempts 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: of his own, and clearly now it is being viewed 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: in that framework. You would have thought that the assassination 51 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 2: attempt on a presidential candidate more than a year ago 52 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: would have been the moment that maybe Americans stood up 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: and thought, well, hang on a moment, is this the 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: way that we need to have a political debate? Can't 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: we just be a little bit more civil and talk 56 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: to each other about it. Yet, we've seen politically motivated 57 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: attacks in Washington, d C. We've seen the shootings of 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: Minnesota senators, a Minnesota politicians earlier this year Democrats, and 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: now we're seeing a conservative commentator assassinated in full view 60 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: of the public. It's understood his wife and two young 61 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: children were also at the university at the time too. 62 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: They are obviously now grieving a husband or father but 63 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: this country is now finding itself trying to deal with 64 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: the consequences now of what some experts are saying now 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: could be a vicious spiral that could lead America into 66 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: something really really bad. 67 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,279 Speaker 1: Jeez, hopefully not, Jonathan, Thanks so much, Jonathan Cursley, US correspondent. 68 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 69 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.