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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b It is.

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Speaker 2: Time to catch up with our texpert. Paul Stenhouse is

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Speaker 2: our man with the weekly updates from the tech world,

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Speaker 2: and Paul, it's been a bit of a worrying week

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Speaker 2: in terms of development for AI. This week we've put

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Speaker 2: across another little threshold. The US Secretary of State has

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Speaker 2: been impersonated using AI.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very worrying. I mean we've talked about this technology

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Speaker 3: in the past of it being available. You sort of

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Speaker 3: can just take clips of people's voices, right, and you

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Speaker 3: don't even need that much, and you look figure like

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Speaker 3: someone like Michael Rubio, who's been around microphones for a

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Speaker 3: very long time in US politics. You've got a lot

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Speaker 3: of clips to use, and you can upload those and

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Speaker 3: you can very easily and quickly create realistic sounding voices

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Speaker 3: completely synthetically. And this week news broke that his voice

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Speaker 3: had been used and three foreign ministers, a US governor,

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Speaker 3: and a member of Congress all received outreach from this

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Speaker 3: fake Marco Rubio. Now, something was amiss, and I think

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Speaker 3: they knew that, and obviously this is why it was reported.

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Speaker 3: But very scary stuff and they did it using the

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Speaker 3: encrypted app Signal. And why that's interesting to me is

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Speaker 3: that if you're if you're in the political circle, you

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Speaker 3: would know that Marco Rubio uses Signal for US government

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Speaker 3: actions because he was caught with JD. Varanceenco talking about

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Speaker 3: bombings on signal in a group chat. And so these

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Speaker 3: foreign leaders or other leaders in government got an account

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Speaker 3: popped up on their device and said, hey, this person

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Speaker 3: wants to chat with you. And on signal you can

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Speaker 3: see anything you want is your username. So what they

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Speaker 3: did is they put in like Marco dot Rubio at

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Speaker 3: state dot gov, which you can type anything you want

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Speaker 3: in there. You could be Donald dot trumpet whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: It to be.

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Speaker 3: So they got this thing and it said, you know,

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Speaker 3: you've got a message from Marca Rubio. They got a

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Speaker 3: voice note from Marco Rubio, some of them got text messages.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't know if it was him or not. Like

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Speaker 3: we're definitely at a point now where how do you

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Speaker 3: know that it is or isn't Marca Rubio.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon there's anything, there's anything that that we're

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Speaker 2: going to be able to do, like a kind of verifying,

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Speaker 2: like a bona fide impenetrable, safe verifying process for communications

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Speaker 2: and things in the future. It's sort of hard to

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Speaker 2: imagine a world in which they'll design something that will

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Speaker 2: be that comprehensive.

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Speaker 3: A yeah, and then how it's probably easy to foil, right,

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Speaker 3: Like someone can just like mess with the signature or like,

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Speaker 3: I think that the thing that we're going to see

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Speaker 3: is this like end to end encryption type stuff where

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Speaker 3: you identify the device and you may be able to

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Speaker 3: identify the device by which someone is sending you something. Right,

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Speaker 3: that may be the way we go. It's it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be tough. I mean, you hear of those crazy stories.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever done this in your

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Speaker 3: journalistic training of hostile environment training and things, but you

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Speaker 3: hear of cases where high profile people have certain words

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Speaker 3: and phrases that they use if they were ever to

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Speaker 3: be taken hostage or to be in situations where certain

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Speaker 3: phrases or certain answers to questions mean or trigger certain things, right, Right,

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Speaker 3: And so I don't know, maybe we're at the point

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Speaker 3: where if you and I are talking, it's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: if we talk about a particular thing, or I say hey,

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Speaker 3: how are you, You're like this, yeah, or something weird, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the cat's really not well at the moment, I don't know, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I know it's jack good, the cat's not well, Like

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Speaker 3: maybe we're at that point. I truly don't know. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: the fact that these people got this and you know,

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Speaker 3: made it that far is kind of scary.

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Speaker 2: That's really intriguing, as it's going to be a huge

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Speaker 2: challenge I think, and and like you say that, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is just the tip of the iceberg. You can

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Speaker 2: imagine all the kinds of applications that this could be

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Speaker 2: used to to impersonate leaders or banks or whatever in

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Speaker 2: the future. It's going to be concerning. Hey, Samsung is

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Speaker 2: exploring new wearables, so technology that will use AI and

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Speaker 2: could kind of replace smartphones or be the new smartphone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they said this week that they're investigating a whole

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Speaker 3: range of things, and I thought their list was kind

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Speaker 3: of interesting. Honestly, Samsung does some really cool stuff. I know,

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Speaker 3: we talk a lot about Apple and they are a big, trilling,

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Speaker 3: multi three trilling dollar company, but man, Samsung really does

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Speaker 3: push the mark. I mean, they've got like the folding iphonees,

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Speaker 3: folding iPhones. Listen to me, the folding phones that you know,

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Speaker 3: turn out into like a tablet. Very cool stuff they are.

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Speaker 3: They definitely lead the way. They're one of the first

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Speaker 3: with smart watches, and so now they're thinking what could

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Speaker 3: we do and they're looking at glasses like everybody, but

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Speaker 3: they're also thinking about AI enabled airrings, which I thought

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Speaker 3: was really interesting. Yeah, what do you like you've got

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Speaker 3: like a little kind of computer attached to you? E.

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Speaker 2: I'm not convinced by that way.

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Speaker 3: It's it's more like you. It's it's we know that

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Speaker 3: close enough that it could be used as a microphone,

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Speaker 3: could probably do some interesting things with a speaker. It's interesting,

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Speaker 3: interesting take. Also looking at watchers rings, we've kind of

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Speaker 3: seen some of that, but also a necklace. Maybe you

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Speaker 3: could make the necklace style. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 3: ever realized if you watch as much reality TV as

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Speaker 3: I do, Jack, but they've started to give reality TV

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Speaker 3: stars on these shows necklaces.

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Speaker 2: Oh because I put the microphone on their acundents. Yeah

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Speaker 2: yeahah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you know, so then it doesn't look like you're

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Speaker 3: watching like someone. But they've all got these kind of

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Speaker 3: somewhat ridiculous looking necklaces. Maybe that'll be what we all say,

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Speaker 3: like Love Island style necklaces.

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Speaker 2: Maybe well, given I thought that like smartphones would never

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Speaker 2: catch on, I'm probably not the one who should be

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Speaker 2: making any any predictions about what technology is going to

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Speaker 2: define our future. But yeah, not personally givens by either

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Speaker 2: necklaces or ear rings glasses to me. Yeah, but okay,

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Speaker 2: we'll see, Thank you so much. Paul paulstin House is

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Speaker 2: our textpert.

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