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Speaker 1: It is politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's Wather's Mark a very

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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting way of doing it. I said, Mark,

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Speaker 1: good morning to you, and then Ginny comes on and goes, no, no,

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Speaker 1: don't don't blow it. Jenny. You say good morning on

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Speaker 1: behalf of Mark as often as you want. Now. Now

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Speaker 1: Mark will try this again, Mark, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning mine.

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Speaker 4: And it's a great morning because I'm down in Queenstown

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Speaker 4: and I've just opened the police in fire games and

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Speaker 4: our police commissioner is running in the cross country today.

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Speaker 3: How opinion in the cross country?

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Speaker 1: When you say the cross country? How many CA's is that?

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Speaker 3: I think it's ten Kay's, isn't it the cross country?

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Speaker 1: It's well not at the Olympics, it's not. No, but

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking probably at the probably at the I'm roffing.

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Speaker 3: I'm just guessing.

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Speaker 1: I'll find out what what what are you competing in? Mark?

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Speaker 4: Well, I did have an appreciate to join him in

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Speaker 4: the cross country. I said, unless you've got a draft

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Speaker 4: war seation, then that's probably not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: I used to compete when I was in the police.

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Speaker 3: I did. I competed in rugby rowing and surfing.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say the commissioners and you go back to

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Speaker 1: friend that we no longer mentioned anymore. He was fit.

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Speaker 1: This guy is fit. I mean, you know, so by

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Speaker 1: the time you get to the cop how many do

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Speaker 1: you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Mark Kness is very fit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But you don't have to be, do you,

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Speaker 1: because once you get to a desk job you can

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Speaker 1: let yourself. Government can't.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it the wall.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to get over the wall?

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Speaker 3: Still?

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Speaker 1: How high is the wall?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean apparently at my age you don't have to

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Speaker 4: get over We just got to tap it. But if

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Speaker 4: I'm going to do the piece, make no mistake, I'm going.

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Speaker 4: I'm going over the wall.

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Speaker 1: That could you go over the wall? Hello? Sorry, we

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Speaker 1: should explain, We should explain you'll be interested in this.

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Speaker 1: Mark Jinny is offshore in a secret location. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to disclose your location? Jinny?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm in Fiji at the Interparliamentary Meeting of all

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Speaker 2: the Fiji sort of MP. All the Pacific parliaments come

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Speaker 2: together once a year, so representing New zeal in parliament edit,

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Speaker 2: which has been fascinating, to be honest, really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Is she tell me the most interesting thing, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Have to say probably the increase of methan fetamine coming

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Speaker 2: in through the Pacific and to New Zealand. So hearing

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Speaker 2: firsteen from other MPs about the impact they're seeing in

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Speaker 2: their own communities, and probably that the sort of US

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Speaker 2: China and geopolitic unctions instead of having those in between

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Speaker 2: conversations with MP's face to faces where you get some

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Speaker 2: really interesting takes.

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Speaker 4: See the commissioner, the commission actually hosted we had all

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Speaker 4: of the Pacific commissioners, police commissioners up in Whiting you

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Speaker 4: last week, you know, dealing with with all of those issues,

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Speaker 4: along with of course the Secretary General for Interpol first

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Speaker 4: on that had been down to New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jenny, when you deal with all the Pacific islands,

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Speaker 1: the Pacific Islands deal with China and a different depending

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Speaker 1: on which Pacific island you're dealing with, they see China differently,

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Speaker 1: do you Is that reflected in your chats with ministers?

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Speaker 1: Do they see China as a foe and a problem

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Speaker 1: or a friend or a foil.

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Speaker 2: Or one It really depends on the country to get

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Speaker 2: quite different takes from the party they're from and also

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Speaker 2: from the you know, their role in different islands. But

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Speaker 2: there's a huge variety we've got, you know, Nauru, Palo Tongue.

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Speaker 2: You know, you've got the whole suite of you know,

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Speaker 2: different Pacific nations and they have got quite different takes

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Speaker 2: depending on what their possession is and how they're impacted.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can we reveal we let to believe you're on

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Speaker 1: a burner phone? Is that true?

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Speaker 2: That is right? Yes, I am on a burn a phone.

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Speaker 1: Why are you on a bona phone? Are you not

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Speaker 1: playing the bills again? Or what's happening there?

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Speaker 2: So I think I'm right. So when your advisor Mark

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Speaker 2: will know this, you're advised quite strongly not to collect

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Speaker 2: connect to Wi FI if you've got you've got parliamentary information.

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Speaker 1: In Fiji or anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Well, places places which are listed informative.

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Speaker 1: Probably what who's on the list? I never saw Fiji

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Speaker 1: as a problem. Every time I've gone the Fiji have

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Speaker 1: taken my regular find Do I need to take a

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Speaker 1: burner No?

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Speaker 2: Look, we just we get advised by parliamentary security when

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Speaker 2: traveling internationally what we should do, and and we've heading

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Speaker 2: peace in the past, have not abided by that advice

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Speaker 2: and the ramifications have not been great, you know, so

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Speaker 2: the last thing you want is the parliamentary system being

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Speaker 2: heaped into by another nation state in the compromising New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's website and information.

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Speaker 1: So I read report the other day. None of this

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Speaker 1: was in that.

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Speaker 2: Well, we get a pretty good briefing. We're also probably advised.

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Speaker 1: Not to say on the radio a few state secrets

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Speaker 1: just lead out, but that's okay, fortunately, fortunately off the.

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Speaker 3: Hook, to let Jenney off the hook.

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Speaker 4: That's our security agencies always here on the side of

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Speaker 4: caution as they should.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, do you have to do it in Australia? Mark,

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Speaker 1: do we we find them a bit suspicious as well

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Speaker 1: or not really.

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Speaker 2: Really good? We're all good on Australia. But the other

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Speaker 2: interesting one is like when you're in a hotel in

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Speaker 2: some countries. You know how they had the USB port

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Speaker 2: that you can just plug into the wall. Yes, well

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Speaker 2: that's not a goer. So once you plug your phone

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Speaker 2: and with the USB and they can get into your

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Speaker 2: phone right through that way, get all your contacts or

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Speaker 2: your emails. Why you plug into a hotel.

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Speaker 1: So if there's somebody say you're saying that the sheriff

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Speaker 1: and dinner, how somebody goes whole or welcome for your

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Speaker 1: due you go, hang on, hang on, tell me Mark

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Speaker 1: four year terms? What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, if you're in opposition, you don't

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Speaker 4: want a four you if your government you do. I

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Speaker 4: think in terms of what's best for the country. I

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Speaker 4: actually I do lean more towards a four year term

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Speaker 4: only because you've got your first year of sort of

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Speaker 4: coming into government, you've got your policy settings, you're getting

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Speaker 4: the public service sort of head in the right direction

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Speaker 4: in terms of delivery on those. Then you've got one

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Speaker 4: year in between your delivery done, and then you beckon

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Speaker 4: to the election cycle again. So it would give you

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Speaker 4: get those policy settings delivered embedded.

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Speaker 1: In what about you, Ginny.

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Speaker 2: I was actually talking to someone last night from one

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Speaker 2: of the Pacific countries and they were saying they changed

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Speaker 2: from three to four and the big difference was there

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Speaker 2: was least kind of politicking that when you've got a

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Speaker 2: three year term, people just do stuff that are more

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Speaker 2: populist and just to take the list to get voted

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Speaker 2: in the game, and when you have a four year term,

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Speaker 2: people actually were more likely to deliver long term structural

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Speaker 2: change that benefited the people.

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Speaker 1: The second part of that question, then, Jinny, is do

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Speaker 1: the public vote. Would the public vote for it? Do

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they would. I think there's the

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Speaker 2: higher level of suspicion in not trusting sort of politics

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Speaker 2: in general, I think has increased post COVID, So I

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Speaker 2: think there's a higher level of public mistrust in our

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Speaker 2: state institutions, and I think it's a shame. So I'm

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Speaker 2: questionable without some sort of limitation on it, where the

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Speaker 2: people would.

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Speaker 1: Vote for it. Did you Mark? The same question to you,

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Speaker 1: do you think people would vote for it or not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I sort of.

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Speaker 4: I'm sort of leaning the same way as I just

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Speaker 4: think that you know, there's not a high level trust

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Speaker 4: and elected representatives in the system, so you know, people

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Speaker 4: are going to say, well, do we want to wait

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Speaker 4: four years if we have a government we don't like?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it'll be interesting though.

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Speaker 4: It'll be interesting because you know, Kiwis are pretty pragmatic,

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Speaker 4: and they'll sort of they'll sit back and they'll they'll

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Speaker 4: look and make the decisions around what they think is

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Speaker 4: best for the country.

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Speaker 1: Did you hand on heart?

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 1: Understand, read, or understand what David Seyema was trying to

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Speaker 1: do with that weird thing on four year terms and

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Speaker 1: committees and numbers and things. I like, literally couldn't understand

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Speaker 1: what the hell he was on about.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think what's coming out of that is that

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Speaker 4: clearly David said, Look, it was a bit confusing. So

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Speaker 4: they've moved away from that.

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Speaker 1: So they should have. Did you understand it, ginny, I did.

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Speaker 2: The best way to explain it is, you know how

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Speaker 2: there's an upper house in a lower house. It's a

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Speaker 2: bit like that, so select committees would act at another level.

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Speaker 2: So if you had a just because the government's got

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Speaker 2: a majority on those select committees, they can push anything through.

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Speaker 2: So that would mean that you could quite substantially change

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Speaker 2: your block legislation in opposition at another level.

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Speaker 1: Have you got to him on is I'm changing the

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Speaker 1: gang patch thing? What was that about?

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Speaker 3: Did he not?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what happened there. He thought he was

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Speaker 1: he speaking personally, so he personally would change the gang

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Speaker 1: patch thing, but the party isn't, or he was just

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Speaker 1: making up some policy.

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Speaker 2: I think it was pretty clear that was his personal view.

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Speaker 2: But the view that we hold is that we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: switch that back given that though still hasn't made much

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Speaker 2: of a difference to the ninety seven percent of increase

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Speaker 2: in myth. You know, we've had police themselves saying that

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Speaker 2: he needs are making record profits out of manufacturing drugs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's made any difference.

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Speaker 1: So they wouldn't change it because people feel safer, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we feel the way we feel.

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Speaker 1: You can't argue with that, can you.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's great, you feel the way you feel. But

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Speaker 2: the material difference to the level of drugs they're pushing

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Speaker 2: and money they're making has increased, and the gang numbers

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Speaker 2: have increased under this government as well.

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Speaker 3: Well. Let me let me let me speak to those

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Speaker 3: two issues.

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Speaker 4: Number One, I'd like Genny to walk into the stadium

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Speaker 4: that I've just walked out of, un tell the hundreds

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Speaker 4: of police officer is here that you're going to get

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Speaker 4: rid of the gag pitch ben because it's given them

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Speaker 4: to enforce to where you're saying.

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Speaker 3: It's not worked, it as clearly has worked.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing too, is that gang members going

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Speaker 4: on to the gang register, Jenny, are starting to slow down.

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Speaker 4: It's reducing because the police are enormous, are putting enormous

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Speaker 4: pressure on the gangs. And by the way, where the

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Speaker 4: rubber hits the road is that Penny is out there

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Speaker 4: saying exactly what Ginny Anderson all the rest of them think.

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Speaker 4: They didn't support the gang legislation. They don't like it

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Speaker 4: here saying it hasn't worked. Of course they want to

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Speaker 4: repeal it. Of course they want to get it's great.

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Speaker 2: But under this government's watch, we're going to see pretty

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Speaker 2: soon the number of gang members surpass the number of

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Speaker 2: police officers in New Zealand. Well, it makes life a

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Speaker 2: lot harder for keeping law and order in life, for discuss.

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Speaker 4: Trust me that the police are doing the outstanding job

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Speaker 4: on the gangs they're taking They've taken four or five

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Speaker 4: of the major gangs completely out of circulation all together.

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Speaker 4: They are the public are no longer expose their intimidation.

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Speaker 4: They're no longer taking over provincial towns. The police sick

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Speaker 4: controlling our streets, not the games. What they want to

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Speaker 4: do what labor Greens into party Mary would like to

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Speaker 4: do reverse.

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Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta wrap this up. But

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Speaker 1: just real quick, Ginny, do you have any vibe on

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Speaker 1: the by election? Do you want to call it? Who's

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Speaker 1: going to win it?

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Speaker 2: Look, we're working incredibly hard to tune up the vote,

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Speaker 2: and that's what the Power Labor has. So we'll have

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Speaker 2: hundreds of volunteers to make sure that people voting for

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Speaker 2: a bunch of other people to make sure we That.

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Speaker 1: Sort of sounds like you're losing and you think you're

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Speaker 1: going to lose it.

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Speaker 2: No, I know votes like this on by elections and

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Speaker 2: low tune out, low voter tune out.

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Speaker 1: As It's funny because I would have thought this is

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Speaker 1: as far as by elections got. This is a gripping one,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? Because it could have been stolen, it could

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Speaker 1: have been given all the background to it, It's like

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Speaker 1: it's all to play for, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we know it's going to be a tight race,

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Speaker 2: but we know Penny is an excellent candidate. He's been

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Speaker 2: working incredibly hard. So we'll be working you for a

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Speaker 2: single day to bring home a one for him and

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Speaker 2: it will be excited.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nice to see you guys. Enjoy the games,

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Speaker 1: Mark Ginny, enjoy Figi and We'll catch up next week

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