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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Not on your weekend, Off the right way. Saturday Morning

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Speaker 2: with Jack Team, News Talks at.

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Speaker 3: B in a good morning, Welcome to News Talk's EDB

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame with you through to midday today. So you

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Speaker 3: remember that extraordinary situation in Thailand, the football team who

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Speaker 3: were stuck in the cave, the experienced cave divers who

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Speaker 3: pulled off a miraculous rescue. Well you remember the Australian

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Speaker 3: guy who headed things up. He was an anethetist, an

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Speaker 3: expert who went into the cave and helped to sedate

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Speaker 3: the boys as he brought them out. He's got a

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Speaker 3: brand new film about a brand new ridiculous cave diving

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Speaker 3: adventure and it's set in New Zealand in the Kahudungi

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Speaker 3: National Park, a place called the ps Resurgence are sort

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Speaker 3: of in the middle of nowhere really. He and his

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Speaker 3: mates attempted to dive several hundred meters deep in this

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Speaker 3: extraordinary cave system. And the new film is called Deeper.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a closer look at it, a

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Speaker 3: deeper look if you like. Before ten o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 3: as well as that we have an amazing recipe to

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Speaker 3: make the very most of the last of the summer

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Speaker 3: stone Fruit, a stone fruit olive oil cake recipe that

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Speaker 3: we're going to share before ten our feature interview. After ten,

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Speaker 3: Moana Money, a portal she of Moana in the More

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Speaker 3: Hunters Moyana in the Tribe is going to be with

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Speaker 3: us in studio, so really really looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it is eight minutes past nine.

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Speaker 2: Jack Team.

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Speaker 3: What ah photo? What a photo? What a stunning, extraordinary,

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Speaker 3: scandal defining, generation, defining photo. A gaunt man, his eyes

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Speaker 3: wide somehow, focusing on nothing and everything at once, as

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Speaker 3: if haunted by a vision he cannot unsee, His face haggard,

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Speaker 3: his pale fingers clasped, the light of the photographer's flash

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Speaker 3: reflected and read in his pupil. What's the position he's in?

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Speaker 3: Is he trying to hide from the cameras? If so,

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Speaker 3: he did a terrible job. Is he willing the plush

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Speaker 3: leather seats of his vehicle to swallow him whole? And

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Speaker 3: what is that expression? Is it the humiliation of police detention,

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Speaker 3: the shock and embarrassment of being held against your will?

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Speaker 3: Or is it the gravity of this moment finally catching

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Speaker 3: up to him. The realization does Andrew mount mattenwinsor finally

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Speaker 3: see that he, a man born into the most extreme privilege,

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Speaker 3: is now mired in the most profound shame. Charged as

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Speaker 3: of yet no convicted, certainly not, but surely irredeemable in

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Speaker 3: his disgrace. What a moment, What a moment, What an

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Speaker 3: extraordinary fall from grace? And what a photo. Once again

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Speaker 3: we're reminded, aren't we, of a photograph's unique power. There

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Speaker 3: is just nothing like it. There is nothing like a photo.

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Speaker 3: The Reuters photographer at the other end of the lens

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Speaker 3: said he fired off six frames in total, just six frames.

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Speaker 3: It all happened so fast, so two had police in

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Speaker 3: the shot, two were blank, one was out of focus.

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Speaker 3: And this the one frame that endured a photograph that

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Speaker 3: says more than any headline in the British tabloids ever could.

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Speaker 3: It was as if it was meant to be in

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Speaker 3: a strange kind of poetic way. I supse photographs now

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Speaker 3: bookend Andrew's disgrace. It was a photograph that first tied

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Speaker 3: him to Epstein and Virginia Geffrey, The then Prince stands

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Speaker 3: with his body facing towards her, his hand right around

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Speaker 3: the ground. Once again, the flash reflects read in his pupils.

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Speaker 3: And so it was that when he was filmed and

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Speaker 3: photographed on his sixty sixth birthday leaving the Aylesham Police station.

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Speaker 3: It is the photograph we will remember. A friend noted

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Speaker 3: yesterday just what an astoundingly undignified episode this has been

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Speaker 3: for Andrew. From the photographs themselves, to the pathetic communications

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Speaker 3: of Sarah Ferguson scattered throughout the files, to the image

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Speaker 3: Pizza Express. Something tells me you're sweating now, Andy. I

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Speaker 3: thought the King's statement yesterday was excellent. Mighty have felt

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Speaker 3: a kind of strange relief at having already stripped his

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Speaker 3: Perhaps there are still plenty of valid questions about why

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Speaker 3: lot sooner. But the statement yesterday was strong and uncompromising.

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Speaker 3: He was equivocal. He continued with his he was unequivocal. Rather,

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Speaker 3: excellent call. And in the face of a reputational crisis

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Speaker 3: for the Palace, the king was a vision of relative

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Speaker 3: stability in those first few hours. Who can say now

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Speaker 3: what indignities remain for Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. Of course he

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Speaker 3: step back for a moment. He spent his sixty fifth

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Speaker 3: The photograph of him being driven away after ours in

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Speaker 3: that very few people will forget, and from Andrew's perspective,

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Speaker 3: worse could yet still be to come. Jack Team ninety two.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two is our text number. If you want to

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Speaker 3: This morning, we're going to catch up with our sport

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Speaker 3: and get the very latest on Finn Melville lives really

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Speaker 3: rough crash in the men's ski half pipe. Fortunately sounds

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Speaker 3: like he's doing okay for the time being, although obviously

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Speaker 3: a disappointing way for him to enter his Olympic campaign

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Speaker 3: in Italy. The Winter Olympics almost over for twenty twenty six. Kevin,

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Speaker 3: Melon's going to kick us off for our Saturday Morning

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Speaker 3: to get the next though. Right now it's fourteen minutes

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Speaker 3: past nine. I'm Jack, tayme, this is news dog's 'd be.

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Speaker 2: No better way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Then went with Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News

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Speaker 3: You for your messages this morning. Jackson's Dean on the

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Speaker 3: email this morning. Andrew's fall from grace is astounding but

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Speaker 3: very predictable if you look at some of the stories

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Speaker 3: when back in the day. It's important to remember he's

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Speaker 3: had mostly ceremonial roles at best, and the reverberations of

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Speaker 3: do in history. Well perhaps, Dean, I'd say, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we haven't quite reached the end of

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Speaker 3: this just yet. Jack, what an unkind Tribes is, Joanne.

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Speaker 3: We all know that Andrew is beyond redemption, but he

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Speaker 3: has family, and even in his extreme shame, it's possible

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Speaker 3: to feel some compassion.

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Speaker 5: Have you.

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Speaker 3: Have you read about his family in the in the

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Speaker 3: in the in the files, Joanne, I wouldn't say that

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Speaker 3: any of them have covered themselves in glory until very

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Speaker 3: recently have been reaching out to mister Epstein, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the in the relative scheme of things, and been

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Speaker 3: reaching out to Jeffrey Epstein looking for his support. But yes, yeah, obviously,

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Speaker 3: obviously it's you know, it's gonna it's going to affect

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Speaker 3: those people who are close to him. I would say

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Speaker 3: that Andrew has been one hundred percent the master of

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Speaker 3: his own destiny on this front. Ninety ninety two. If

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Speaker 3: he'db dot Co Dodd. He said, this is just remarkable

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Speaker 3: to me how a photo like that, though, can just

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Speaker 4: Jack, I think it was flooding beneath the side window,

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Speaker 4: wasn't he he did.

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Speaker 3: He should have he should have done. Yeah, he should

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Speaker 3: be to be photographed, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was

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Speaker 3: just just a remarkable thing, you know, Like I just

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Speaker 3: imagine being the photographer going through those handful of frames.

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Speaker 3: Apparently he was outside this police station for hours, alongside

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Speaker 3: alongside a videographer, and then they thought, oh, no, he's

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Speaker 3: probably not here, maybe we've got a bad tip. And

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Speaker 3: so he was going off to a hotel down the road,

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Speaker 3: and so he scurried back and then took the photos.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, good, you know, one of those things. Anyway. Hey,

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Speaker 3: you have let your Wellington region down badly this.

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Speaker 4: Week, Kevin well We're all aware of the destructive storms

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Speaker 4: Here in the Wellington region it was. It was hit

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Speaker 4: pretty hard as it happened. Linda and I missed the lot,

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Speaker 4: driven up to Auckland and enjoyed glorious weather, especially on

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Speaker 4: temptation to tell you when in Wellington how great the

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Speaker 4: weather was in Auckland. Certainly I sent no photos of

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Speaker 4: us sitting outside, drinks in hand, enjoying the sun. When

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Speaker 4: we drove back to Wellington on Monday, avoiding road closures

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Speaker 4: literally by minutes, the drama in the south became clear

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Speaker 4: and you kind of wanted to be part of it

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Speaker 4: a problem. I had a sunburnt face. Where have you been?

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Speaker 4: The locals demanded not here. I had to say, as

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Speaker 4: from Auckland stunning weather. There's nothing that annoys Wellingtonian's more

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Speaker 4: than when their weather's shocking, and it's glorious in Auckland.

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Speaker 4: But my face couldn't help. But the story then it

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Speaker 4: got worse. They wanted to know what I was doing

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Speaker 4: in Auckland. As you probably know, Jack, Wellingtonians think auckland

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Speaker 4: As are a bunch of poziers at the best of times.

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Speaker 4: Well they were about to find out they had two

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Speaker 4: Auckland to watch the New Zealand Polo final. If you

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Speaker 4: had actually wanted to infuriate soaked, flooded out Wellingtonian's last

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Speaker 4: Monday Night. You couldn't have done better than front up

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Speaker 4: Sundurn saying you'd just been up in Auckland watching the polo.

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Speaker 4: But the locals kept their thoughts themselves. As it turned

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Speaker 4: out Jack, not one of them wanted to know who

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Speaker 4: won the polo, and much less so who the winners were.

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Speaker 4: Of the fashion at the Polo Awards.

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Speaker 3: I think if you pronounce posure posiure Kevin, and you've

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Speaker 3: just been at the polo, then you were in no

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Speaker 3: position to be judged and you've got sunburned.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some bend everywhere. But it was a beautifully hot day. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and I massive my Panama was when I bought just

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Speaker 4: than I bought.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, you should be wearing you should be

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Speaker 3: wearing some block every day, Keven.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes exactly. And my wife said to me, why

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Speaker 4: haven't you got your some block on? And I said,

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Speaker 4: I can't be bothered.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, it was a Sunday and it was, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was quite an It was quite a mildest Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was enough to tell all the people

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Speaker 4: in Wellington I was not part of them any longer.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, you'd avoided the worst of things, somehow

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Speaker 3: you'd escaped.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you're home, okay, and glad you had

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Speaker 3: a good time at the at the polo Keven, thank

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Speaker 3: now befourteen o'clock. We've got that stone olive oil cake recipe,

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Speaker 3: plus your film picks for this week. But our sporto

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Speaker 3: Twenty five past nine on News Talks dB. Jack, your

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Speaker 3: editorial this morning is nothing more than tabloid journalism. Too gleeful.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gleeful as such, not gleeful. I'm not delighted,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not delighting in the the existence of Andrew's

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Speaker 3: to see someone who has clearly had kind of a

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Speaker 3: being held to account. Jack never ceases to amaze me

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Speaker 3: just how Andrew and Fergie are and their total lack

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Speaker 3: If you want to send us a message this morning

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Speaker 3: twenty six past nine on news Storks, he'd be Andrew

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Speaker 3: several our Sporto is here with us this morning, and

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Speaker 3: so Sev. We've just seen Ben Harrington finish up ninth

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Speaker 4: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 9: This is in the free ski half pipe qualifying. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was at the bottom but still sort of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it looked like it was one of those horrible.

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Speaker 9: Head knocks, which is what you see in the football

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Speaker 9: a bit already. Just such a shame at the Olympics.

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Speaker 9: And as we've said each week, Jack, these these type

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Speaker 7: In the Winter Olympics. It's it can be up to

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Speaker 9: So but but she she had another outstanding games and

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Speaker 3: I mean, how do you how do you kind of

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Speaker 3: So the Hurricanes absolutely yea Moana pacifically last night fifty

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Speaker 9: I thought I thought it could have been more of

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Speaker 9: He scored three tries last night, so he's won footballer

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Speaker 4: The good news is.

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Speaker 9: Jack after eighty kicks in general play between the Highlanders

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Speaker 7: The crowd last night was okay.

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Speaker 9: Rugby's going to garner more attention and get people back.

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Speaker 9: Of the some of the play and some of the

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Speaker 3: Last week yeah, exactly, exactly, and of course the derby

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Speaker 9: He's such a terrible run with injury in Europe, he

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he comes home.

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Speaker 9: And ahead of such a big, big game where the

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, all right, looking forward to that kickoff this evening.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, go and enjoy your Saturday and we

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Speaker 3: will catch you again very soon. Our Sporto Andrew Sevil.

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Speaker 3: We're in the kitchen before ten o'clock with the stone

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Speaker 3: fruit olive oil cake recipe for you. Y Next up,

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Speaker 3: we've got your film picks for this weekend. Right now.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty seven minutes to ten.

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Speaker 2: Dog Luck.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit softer a. That's Gracie Abrams and

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Speaker 3: Mumford and Sons usually expecting the banjos to kick right in,

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Speaker 3: but a little bit softerrain. It's called bad Lands. That

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Speaker 3: be fr Francisca rod Can, our film reviewer, is here

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Speaker 3: with us this morning in person. So good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Two films this morning, and I mean House under You.

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Speaker 3: I've seen one of them.

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Speaker 6: I know well.

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Speaker 10: I picked it to talk about because I thought you'd

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Speaker 3: Leave this stunning, stunning for the man who only saw

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Speaker 3: the Shortshank Redemption about two years ago. We'll have a

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Speaker 3: listen to that one first. So this is a film

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of cave diving accident.

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Speaker 11: Diary, don't.

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Speaker 3: This cave in New Zealand called the Pierce Resurgence.

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Speaker 7: Has the potential to be the deepest dived cave in

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Speaker 2: We had to give it a try.

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Speaker 3: Did you have to give it a try? Did you

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm glad that someone else did, because the reason

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Speaker 10: It's not stunning like I thought it was. It's kind

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Speaker 10: it's clearly an incredibly dangerous activity, So it can as

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Speaker 10: So you're down there, then it takes you the rest

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Speaker 10: Craig Jellen, and they were the two of courses you

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Speaker 10: mentioned who were part of the rescuing the boys, the

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Speaker 10: soccer boys out of the ty caves. They are some

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Speaker 10: of the most experienced cave divers in the world, and

437
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Speaker 10: yet you know, they were sort of struggling to get

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Speaker 10: things right and to work out whether they shoure or

439
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Speaker 10: they shouldn't go. They also throw into the mix hydrogen,

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Speaker 10: which is a very unusual. You know, only very few

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Speaker 10: people use this for diving off and it's used for

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Speaker 10: expert diving.

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Speaker 3: And the reason they don't throw it, they don't.

444
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Speaker 10: Really throw into the mix because it explodes. So there's

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Speaker 10: lots of conversations about using it, how they're going to

446
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Speaker 10: use it. Will it explode? Won't it explode? And the

447
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Speaker 10: whole thing just becomes incredibly nerve wracking. I found it

448
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Speaker 10: fascinating from a human.

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Speaker 3: Point of view, you know, but it's not like as

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Speaker 3: you say. You're not like saying, oh, the majesty of

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Speaker 3: the cave. No, it's really dark hole. Yeah, it makes

452
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Speaker 3: me want to go.

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Speaker 10: There, but i'd love yes, I'd like to look at

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Speaker 10: the entrance. Yeah, yeah, I do you want to dive?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, I don't want to die. No no, no,

457
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Speaker 3: look I like doing crazy things, but not like that.

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Speaker 10: It's in the ka Harang, your national part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Just probably you can't walk towards now you can.

460
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Speaker 3: You've got to walk up the creek though. So yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's probably about three or four hours each way, I think,

462
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Speaker 3: which isn't too bad. It's kind of right out the

463
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Speaker 3: back of Mortwica. Yeah, yeah, but fascinating.

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Speaker 10: But it is on at some cinemas. If you get

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Speaker 10: the cinema, go and see in the cinema. I think

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Speaker 10: it might look more majestic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Kahudani looks majestic, yes, yeah, yeah,

468
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Speaker 3: the cave itself yeah, no, it's not not a bit

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Speaker 3: of me. Have you your scuba diver?

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Speaker 10: No, I can snorkel that as far as I go, No,

471
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Speaker 10: I think i'd panic. I love being on the water,

472
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Speaker 10: in the water, but going to.

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Speaker 3: Great I think thirty two or thirty three meters is

474
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Speaker 3: the deepest I've been scuba diving, which was fine, but

475
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Speaker 3: I remember looking up and being like, oh, yeah's it's

476
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Speaker 3: pretty deep. But to go to two hundred and thirty

477
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Speaker 3: or something, yeah, well, this is the thing. You can't

478
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Speaker 3: just look up and see the surface right, Like, it's

479
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Speaker 3: very much you're very much enclosed. It's like, yeah, yeah,

480
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Speaker 3: it's like going to two hundred and thirty meters in

481
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Speaker 3: the space like a you know, large refrigerator or something. Look.

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Speaker 10: I like to be adventurous, but I'm also very aware

483
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Speaker 10: of my limits.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just panics. I think we know people. Yeah, that's

485
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Speaker 3: not the sort of thing you want to be doing

486
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Speaker 3: if you're going to be down there for eighteen how

487
00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:25,813
Speaker 3: so that is deeper. That is streaming on Netflix and

488
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Speaker 3: in some cinemas. Our next film this Morning is a

489
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Speaker 3: South Korean black comedy called No Other Choice.

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Speaker 10: This is by Park Chan Wok, who is well known

491
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Speaker 10: for creating beautiful, sort of stylized action films like Old

492
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Speaker 10: Boy and The Handmaiden, and here he takes quite an

493
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Speaker 10: edgy and cynical look at family dysfunction, identity, fragile masculinity.

494
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Speaker 10: In the Threat of Our Eyes. Basically, we have this

495
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Speaker 10: lovely character. He's been working in a paper mill for

496
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Speaker 10: twenty years. He's a family man, very ordinary, everyday Korean man,

497
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Speaker 10: and his company is taken over by an American company

498
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Speaker 10: and he's made redundant, which is quite a shock. At first,

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Speaker 10: he's very confident he will get another job, and then

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Speaker 10: it becomes apparent that it's actually pretty hard to get

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Speaker 10: another job because everybody's downsizing and there's a lot of

502
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Speaker 10: competition out there, and he starts to get a little

503
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Speaker 10: bit depressed and upset about all this, and he can't

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Speaker 10: provide for his family, and he's kind of lost his

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Speaker 10: identity because he'd been very proud of about the fact

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Speaker 10: that he'd been a paperman, working in this paper mill

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Speaker 10: for twenty years and things. And he kind of comes

508
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Speaker 10: up with this crazy idea to take out any competition

509
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Speaker 10: to make it easier for him to get a job.

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Speaker 10: And this is what Park chain Walk does.

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Speaker 12: Does.

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Speaker 10: He does a really good job of kind of keeping

513
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Speaker 10: keeping you guessing and throwing in these little surprises into

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Speaker 10: this film. So he puts a fake ad out, he

515
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Speaker 10: gets people to apply, he works out who the top

516
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Speaker 10: candidates would be for a potential job that he would

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Speaker 10: also go for, and then he sets about killing them.

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Speaker 10: But he's not a murdering kind. And it's all a

519
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Speaker 10: bit of a nightmare and a bit of a disaster

520
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Speaker 10: at first, and then he sort of finds his feet

521
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Speaker 10: and off we go, and throughout the film, everyone he encounters,

522
00:29:06,413 --> 00:29:08,933
Speaker 10: all everyone, he says. Everyone says, I have no other choice,

523
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Speaker 10: the Americans, I have no other choice but to lay

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Speaker 10: people off to make this millwork. And he has no

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Speaker 10: other choice but to kill the competitis or to get

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Speaker 10: a job, and so it kind of builds. It's so clever,

527
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Speaker 10: it's it's he merges social commentary, drama, and comedy and

528
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Speaker 10: a little little bit of violence in there, all together

529
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Speaker 10: to create a slightly overly long which seems to be

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Speaker 10: the trend of twenty twenty six. All the films seemed

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Speaker 10: to be slightly too long at them. But the ending

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Speaker 10: is absolutely fantastic. It's a little bit of a cynical

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Speaker 10: look at Ai and how it's sort of taking my night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Okay, cool, So that is no other

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Speaker 3: choice that showing in cinemas now. Deeper is Francisca's first

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Speaker 3: pick for us this week. Mars has just put us

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Speaker 3: to night to say deeper. I could not think of

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Speaker 3: anything more terrifying. I think Mars is probably speaking for

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Speaker 3: us all one. If you're a cave diver, by all

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Speaker 3: means flickers of text, let us know what the attraction

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Speaker 3: really is. And thank you very much, Francisca. Those films

542
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Speaker 3: will be on the news Talk Said B website after

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Speaker 3: ten if you just feel like curling up on the

544
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Speaker 3: couch this weekend, We've got three shows to recommend. In

545
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Speaker 3: our screen time segment, We're going to take a closer

546
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Speaker 3: look at Being Gordon Ramsey, which is the latest of

547
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Speaker 3: these kind of big documentaries or big documentary series where

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Speaker 3: the executive producer is the subject, which I'm always a

549
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Speaker 3: little bit cynical about or skeptical about. Rather I always think, okay,

550
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Speaker 3: the Beckhams have been very controlling about the Beckham documentary,

551
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Speaker 3: even if it is good. But anyone, I'm going to

552
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Speaker 3: tell you about that and as well as that our

553
00:30:32,933 --> 00:30:36,893
Speaker 3: screen time expert has tuned into maths. So he's going

554
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Speaker 3: to give us how his verdict got married at first sight.

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Speaker 3: It's called it a ten non news talks.

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Speaker 1: He'd be Saturday morning with Jack team, keeping the conversation,

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Speaker 1: going through the weekend news talks.

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Speaker 4: They'd be Kido Jack.

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Speaker 3: There are old cave divers, there are Bold cave divers.

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Speaker 3: There are no old Bold cave divers. Too dangerous for me,

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Speaker 3: says Tony. Yes, well, said Tony Jack. Really, regarding Andrew,

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Speaker 3: have you not learned the trial by press helps no

563
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Speaker 3: one find the truth. We don't know what happens. Speculation

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Speaker 3: taints the processes. I think we know enough about Andrew's behavior,

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Speaker 3: his continued relationship with this odious man in spite of

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein's conviction, Andrew maintaining that relationship for many many years,

567
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Speaker 3: thereafter benefiting from that relationship by staying at Epstein's house, etc.

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Speaker 3: I think we know enough to be able to make

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Speaker 3: some fairly reasonable judgments as to Andrew's character. But thank

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Speaker 3: you for that. Ninety two ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: If you want to get in touch, I will get

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Speaker 3: to more your feedback very soon. I done a dreadful

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Speaker 3: job of that this hour right now, though it is

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Speaker 3: thirteen to ten, in time to catch up with our cook,

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Speaker 3: Nikki Wix, Good morning chat. Oh, you are combining some

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Speaker 3: of my favorite things this morning. So first of all

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Speaker 3: a sweet treat, second of all late summer stone fruit,

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Speaker 3: which is just so good right now, and third of

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Speaker 3: all good fats. You know that I love a cake

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Speaker 3: with oil at its base.

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Speaker 13: Right Honestly, olive oil is a secret to a beautiful

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Speaker 13: crumb and a isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Isn't it just the best it is?

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Speaker 3: I also just it gives it kind of an elevated,

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Speaker 3: sophisticated kind of air, I reckon, you know, but it's

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Speaker 3: but it's moist like it's that again, it's such an

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Speaker 3: obvious thing, I reckon.

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Speaker 13: I can't figure out what's more expensive at the moment.

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Speaker 13: I should have you should have done another butter and

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Speaker 13: olive oil.

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Speaker 6: But I think olive.

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Speaker 3: Oil is we you know what. We'll come back to

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Speaker 3: the recipent just a second. This has not had enough

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Speaker 3: attention in my view because we have all been so

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Speaker 3: kind of myopically focused on butter. And that's perhaps understandable

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Speaker 3: given we are a dairy nation, but olive oil is

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Speaker 3: so expensive at the moment through the roof.

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Speaker 13: That's ridiculous. Well, I've got laiden olive trees at the moment,

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Speaker 13: so I will prec you know, and the yield that

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Speaker 13: you get from pressing them is minuscule, but nonetheless I'll

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Speaker 13: be saving myself ten dollars.

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Picking olives? An amazing thing because then your hands afterwards

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Speaker 3: they're just so like they're just so smooth. And yeah, anyway, sorry,

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Speaker 3: we've got by the standards of our digressions. This is

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Speaker 3: even pretty extreme, right, yeah, just as.

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Speaker 13: Well as a short, quick, easy recipe. Look, summer fruit

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Speaker 13: at the moment, yes, I think at this time of

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Speaker 13: the summer people are almost starting to get over it

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Speaker 13: ant peaches and nectarines. Actually, this is when they get ready. God,

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Speaker 13: we're getting the last of them out of sort of

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Speaker 13: Central Otago. And to me, they have beautiful sugar content.

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Speaker 13: They're really really sweet at the moment, and I think

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Speaker 13: they're fantastic. So you can use peaches, nectarines, apricots, plums.

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Speaker 13: You could even use pitched cherries for this so or

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Speaker 13: should I say spe stoned cherries. I can't remember anyway,

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Speaker 13: here we go Ovan on one acy. This makes about

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Speaker 13: a twenty centimeter cake. So Lina caked in with some

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Speaker 13: baking paper. You want to toss about, I've got look

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Speaker 13: you want about a cup of fruit. I've said three

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Speaker 13: to four peaches, because by the time he destone them

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Speaker 13: and then chop them up, that's what they're being out.

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Speaker 13: All fortify that because whatever you figure it out, and

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Speaker 13: you want to toss that with about quarter of a

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Speaker 13: cup of olive oil and two tablespoons of just plain sugar,

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Speaker 13: and that to sit for ten minutes kind of it

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Speaker 13: starts to macerate. Some of those juices get drawn out

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Speaker 13: of the fruit. In a nice big bowl. Whisk up

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Speaker 13: some eggs, two eggs with the remaining half cup of

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Speaker 13: sugar until it's really pale and sick. This is going

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Speaker 13: to give you cake. Some Body whisk in the remaining

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Speaker 13: olive oil. So I'm using two hundred mills so use.

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Speaker 13: It's an expensive cake. It's not quite a cup, but

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Speaker 13: there you go. And also some yogurt, a berg, nice

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Speaker 13: big heach tablespoon of Greek yogurt, and then our whisking

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Speaker 13: all that together till it's incorporated, and then into that

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Speaker 13: our dry ingredients. I'm using one and a third cups

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Speaker 13: of plain flour and one teaspoon of baking powder and

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Speaker 13: a nice, big, decent pinch of baking soda. That baking

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Speaker 13: soda needs acid in order for it to activate, and

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Speaker 13: that's it's going to get that from the Greek yogurt.

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Speaker 13: So this will give it a nice little puff, a

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Speaker 13: little bit of a dense, heavy cake with all that fruit,

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Speaker 13: and it fruit tends to really kind of tender the

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Speaker 13: rise and the cake. So fold in your fruits that's

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Speaker 13: got that sugar, that olive oil through it and all

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Speaker 13: the juices. Scrape your batter into the and you want

648
00:35:07,253 --> 00:35:09,533
Speaker 13: to cook it for about twenty five to thirty minutes

649
00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:12,853
Speaker 13: so it's not a long cork. Put a skewa in there,

650
00:35:13,053 --> 00:35:15,053
Speaker 13: beer in mind, put it into the cake, but should

651
00:35:15,093 --> 00:35:17,693
Speaker 13: come out clean, leave it to call for about ten minutes.

652
00:35:17,693 --> 00:35:20,133
Speaker 13: But I and I love this cake. Either souped wool

653
00:35:20,613 --> 00:35:23,253
Speaker 13: with vanilla ice cream, a drizzle of olive water and

654
00:35:23,413 --> 00:35:26,973
Speaker 13: get this jack tame a sprinkle of sea salt house.

655
00:35:27,093 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 3: Oh so sophisticated.

656
00:35:30,053 --> 00:35:30,453
Speaker 1: I know.

657
00:35:31,093 --> 00:35:33,333
Speaker 13: Or have it the next day when it's cold and

658
00:35:33,373 --> 00:35:35,333
Speaker 13: all those juices have kind of leaked out into the

659
00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:38,453
Speaker 13: cake even more. It's really it's a beautiful cake and

660
00:35:38,493 --> 00:35:40,693
Speaker 13: I really recommend people get into it this weekend.

661
00:35:40,893 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 3: Dam Yeah that it does sound amazing and very It's

662
00:35:45,013 --> 00:35:47,493
Speaker 3: got of real. So we're really leaning into the Mediterranean

663
00:35:47,573 --> 00:35:49,973
Speaker 3: kind of vibe. We don't, yeah, I mean as we

664
00:35:50,133 --> 00:35:52,653
Speaker 3: as we so often do on Saturday mornings, you and I,

665
00:35:52,853 --> 00:35:56,413
Speaker 3: you know, you and I of late sort of late

666
00:35:56,413 --> 00:36:00,653
Speaker 3: afternoon Tuscan sun, you know, flat seat lotago.

667
00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:02,733
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, enjoy it.

668
00:36:02,733 --> 00:36:03,533
Speaker 13: It's a beautiful cake.

669
00:36:03,613 --> 00:36:06,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. I just I don't get it when people

670
00:36:06,493 --> 00:36:10,533
Speaker 3: say they're sick of stone fruit. I do not get it.

671
00:36:10,533 --> 00:36:13,093
Speaker 3: It's crazy to me. Like I honestly, I just go

672
00:36:13,733 --> 00:36:17,093
Speaker 3: and especially the peaches right now, peaches and apricots in particular,

673
00:36:17,133 --> 00:36:19,053
Speaker 3: because I feel like the cherries we've kind of crossed

674
00:36:19,053 --> 00:36:22,093
Speaker 3: the threshold. The cherries are done, yeah, but the peaches

675
00:36:22,093 --> 00:36:25,733
Speaker 3: and apricots like there are there are a few things

676
00:36:25,733 --> 00:36:30,213
Speaker 3: more wonderful that There are a few greater splendors than

677
00:36:30,493 --> 00:36:34,573
Speaker 3: a really sweet, gooey peach. Oh my god.

678
00:36:35,213 --> 00:36:37,053
Speaker 13: And I tell you what the sweetest of them all,

679
00:36:37,093 --> 00:36:39,693
Speaker 13: the white peach. Oh yeah in appearance. Oh I do

680
00:36:39,813 --> 00:36:40,573
Speaker 13: love a white peace.

681
00:36:40,693 --> 00:36:40,973
Speaker 2: Yeah.

682
00:36:41,013 --> 00:36:44,013
Speaker 13: Look, I've got one niktarine and my leftover and my

683
00:36:44,173 --> 00:36:46,493
Speaker 13: fruit bottle moment, and I've been really nursing it along

684
00:36:46,613 --> 00:36:48,893
Speaker 13: because I love to have them sit around the house

685
00:36:48,933 --> 00:36:50,133
Speaker 13: till they almost wrinkly.

686
00:36:50,453 --> 00:36:53,053
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so good.

687
00:36:53,213 --> 00:36:55,373
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, I don't get it. Don't get sicker than people.

688
00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:56,973
Speaker 13: Give it a month and you're not going to find them,

689
00:36:58,373 --> 00:36:58,933
Speaker 13: get into them.

690
00:36:59,013 --> 00:37:00,933
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much. Yeah right, we will make

691
00:37:00,973 --> 00:37:03,533
Speaker 3: sure that is up on the news, talk'd the website

692
00:37:03,533 --> 00:37:04,733
Speaker 3: and catch again very soon.

693
00:37:05,733 --> 00:37:08,613
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on the ball you need

694
00:37:08,653 --> 00:37:12,293
Speaker 1: to know this Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks

695
00:37:12,333 --> 00:37:12,573
Speaker 1: at the.

696
00:37:14,653 --> 00:37:16,853
Speaker 3: Jack Great Editorial. I agree with you one hundred percent.

697
00:37:16,893 --> 00:37:19,933
Speaker 3: What is with all the people defending Prince Andrew? My goodness,

698
00:37:19,933 --> 00:37:23,053
Speaker 3: says Gilly Jack. Andy's photo in the police car look

699
00:37:23,053 --> 00:37:25,373
Speaker 3: silly trying to hide from the media for goodness sake.

700
00:37:25,413 --> 00:37:27,653
Speaker 3: He didn't need to. He has a lack of common sense.

701
00:37:27,693 --> 00:37:30,933
Speaker 3: You don't say he should have known the world knows

702
00:37:30,973 --> 00:37:34,253
Speaker 3: about the allegations. As far as I'm concerned, his other ignorant, arrogant,

703
00:37:34,293 --> 00:37:37,653
Speaker 3: self righteous or important self important. I've had enough of

704
00:37:37,693 --> 00:37:40,973
Speaker 3: the spoil royal brats. Well, you know, I actually I

705
00:37:41,013 --> 00:37:45,253
Speaker 3: thought yesterday the King handled everything. You know, it's probably

706
00:37:45,253 --> 00:37:46,893
Speaker 3: as well as he could. The arrest side of things

707
00:37:46,893 --> 00:37:49,093
Speaker 3: as well as he could yesterday. It was a real,

708
00:37:49,533 --> 00:37:52,293
Speaker 3: like an interesting call. It would be very interesting to

709
00:37:52,293 --> 00:37:55,693
Speaker 3: be behind the scenes in the palace when he decided

710
00:37:55,733 --> 00:37:59,693
Speaker 3: to stick with all of his scheduled engagements yesterday, all

711
00:37:59,693 --> 00:38:02,413
Speaker 3: of those going and meeting the public things that he'd

712
00:38:02,453 --> 00:38:06,533
Speaker 3: been planning yesterday. I thought it was very interesting. Anyway,

713
00:38:06,733 --> 00:38:09,133
Speaker 3: maybe I'm being too mean. I don't know. I'm not

714
00:38:09,173 --> 00:38:11,493
Speaker 3: trying to take glee. I think you just had this

715
00:38:11,573 --> 00:38:14,973
Speaker 3: person in this incredible position of privilege for so long,

716
00:38:15,453 --> 00:38:18,053
Speaker 3: who is so closely linked to a person who has

717
00:38:19,413 --> 00:38:24,053
Speaker 3: abused all of these powerless women for years, for decades,

718
00:38:24,893 --> 00:38:28,373
Speaker 3: and finally you have a point where at the very

719
00:38:28,453 --> 00:38:31,973
Speaker 3: least Andrew is being held to account for, at the

720
00:38:32,093 --> 00:38:35,293
Speaker 3: very least his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I'll get to

721
00:38:35,293 --> 00:38:37,453
Speaker 3: morewr feedback after ten o'clock this morning. We've got your

722
00:38:37,493 --> 00:38:39,573
Speaker 3: screen time picks. We're going to tell you about the

723
00:38:39,653 --> 00:38:43,973
Speaker 3: truth about financial advisors in New Zealand and our feature

724
00:38:43,973 --> 00:38:47,213
Speaker 3: interview right after the ten o'clock news, Moa Money of

725
00:38:47,253 --> 00:38:49,133
Speaker 3: Puttor is going to be with me, Moana and the

726
00:38:49,173 --> 00:38:52,173
Speaker 3: more hunters. Moana in the Tribe. She's going to be

727
00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:53,973
Speaker 3: here in just a few minutes. News is next. So

728
00:38:53,973 --> 00:38:56,533
Speaker 3: it's almost ten o'clock. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning

729
00:38:56,573 --> 00:38:57,613
Speaker 3: and this is News Talks.

730
00:38:57,653 --> 00:39:01,773
Speaker 2: He'd be cranking.

731
00:39:01,853 --> 00:39:05,413
Speaker 1: Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack dam

732
00:39:05,773 --> 00:39:06,493
Speaker 1: News Talk.

733
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:14,973
Speaker 14: Black.

734
00:39:18,693 --> 00:39:30,533
Speaker 15: Let me put you belong. You've been background long.

735
00:39:31,613 --> 00:39:34,373
Speaker 3: You still did be you ejactating through the midday today.

736
00:39:34,453 --> 00:39:38,133
Speaker 3: Moana and the Tribe are long acknowledged as having pushed

737
00:39:38,173 --> 00:39:41,773
Speaker 3: the boundaries of Maudi music, singer songwriter Wana Money of

738
00:39:41,853 --> 00:39:45,453
Speaker 3: Portal and Bodies, language, politics and joy while performing and

739
00:39:45,493 --> 00:39:48,173
Speaker 3: as part of the Aukland Arts Festival this year, Moana

740
00:39:48,173 --> 00:39:49,813
Speaker 3: and the Tribe are going to perform in a very

741
00:39:49,853 --> 00:39:54,053
Speaker 3: special event to my international women's State. Moana is with

742
00:39:54,213 --> 00:39:59,733
Speaker 3: us this morning, killed her. Good morning cur Ka Pie mcquai.

743
00:40:02,013 --> 00:40:03,373
Speaker 3: How you doing well? Thanks you too?

744
00:40:03,453 --> 00:40:03,693
Speaker 6: Yep.

745
00:40:05,093 --> 00:40:07,933
Speaker 3: What's it like is an interviewer being interviewed.

746
00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:11,413
Speaker 11: I'm slightly nervous you might ask me some really tricky question.

747
00:40:12,813 --> 00:40:15,773
Speaker 3: I'm not going to grill you that's not that I'm read.

748
00:40:15,853 --> 00:40:17,773
Speaker 11: I'm psyching myself up. I've had my espresso.

749
00:40:17,973 --> 00:40:20,533
Speaker 3: Maybe you have more empathy for the people you have

750
00:40:20,813 --> 00:40:23,293
Speaker 3: in the seat when you're grilling them. Now you're I.

751
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:26,373
Speaker 11: Don't grill, I unpecked the issues.

752
00:40:26,533 --> 00:40:30,653
Speaker 3: There you go. That's and that's you have a very

753
00:40:30,733 --> 00:40:32,773
Speaker 3: cunning way of getting getting to the truth.

754
00:40:32,813 --> 00:40:37,533
Speaker 11: I think, excuse me, mister smile. Mister Smiley, who's just then,

755
00:40:37,693 --> 00:40:40,853
Speaker 11: just like dozen for the killers, there's Smile as a trojan.

756
00:40:40,933 --> 00:40:42,173
Speaker 11: So you just watch it.

757
00:40:42,333 --> 00:40:45,373
Speaker 3: No, no, no, hey. It is so exciting that you

758
00:40:45,453 --> 00:40:47,333
Speaker 3: and the tribe are going to be performing at the

759
00:40:47,413 --> 00:40:50,293
Speaker 3: Arts Festival, but this is a bit of a different performance,

760
00:40:50,373 --> 00:40:52,053
Speaker 3: and that you have some friends.

761
00:40:52,613 --> 00:40:54,813
Speaker 11: I have many friends. I've got a little bit carried

762
00:40:54,853 --> 00:40:57,653
Speaker 11: away Jack. There is a cast of thousands on stage.

763
00:40:57,893 --> 00:41:01,133
Speaker 11: My dear friend Patty Free is a little bit nervous.

764
00:41:01,813 --> 00:41:05,853
Speaker 11: But I do have two special guests coming and from

765
00:41:06,053 --> 00:41:10,253
Speaker 11: over sees. My last album Or was a collaboration with

766
00:41:10,973 --> 00:41:14,573
Speaker 11: indigenous vocalist singing in their language while Scotty and I

767
00:41:14,693 --> 00:41:18,253
Speaker 11: performed in Mardi. So I've reached out and I've got

768
00:41:18,333 --> 00:41:24,213
Speaker 11: Comaka kannaka Auli coming in from Hawaii and she sings

769
00:41:24,213 --> 00:41:26,893
Speaker 11: in her native tongue. She's been a champion in terms

770
00:41:26,933 --> 00:41:29,373
Speaker 11: of helping reclaim the language. She's a school teacher as

771
00:41:29,413 --> 00:41:35,013
Speaker 11: well as are some members of my group. And Shelley Morris,

772
00:41:35,013 --> 00:41:38,533
Speaker 11: who sings in Yanua. She's actually she was an Australian

773
00:41:38,573 --> 00:41:40,853
Speaker 11: of the Year a couple of years ago, and she's

774
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:44,373
Speaker 11: used music to sort of put on records some languages

775
00:41:44,413 --> 00:41:47,493
Speaker 11: that are endangered. She's just done amazing. And she tells

776
00:41:47,533 --> 00:41:50,813
Speaker 11: me she gets so nervous singing around the Aunties because

777
00:41:50,813 --> 00:41:53,853
Speaker 11: they've given her the evils and yeah, so I'm really

778
00:41:53,853 --> 00:41:55,573
Speaker 11: excited to have them come and join out.

779
00:41:55,653 --> 00:41:58,973
Speaker 3: How amazing. So Janawa is an indigenous Australian language. Yes,

780
00:41:59,373 --> 00:42:00,093
Speaker 3: she's Australian.

781
00:42:00,333 --> 00:42:00,493
Speaker 6: Yeah.

782
00:42:00,573 --> 00:42:03,213
Speaker 11: I think there's only like about fifty speakers left.

783
00:42:03,373 --> 00:42:03,773
Speaker 6: Wow.

784
00:42:03,933 --> 00:42:06,773
Speaker 11: Yeah, so it was amazing doing this album.

785
00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:08,333
Speaker 3: Scottish yep.

786
00:42:08,373 --> 00:42:12,893
Speaker 11: The Scottish singer Megan Henderson who sings in I believe

787
00:42:12,933 --> 00:42:17,173
Speaker 11: they call it garlic in Spain, Spain, Scotland, Scotland. That

788
00:42:17,173 --> 00:42:21,653
Speaker 11: would be it sami up in Norway and and and

789
00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:27,133
Speaker 11: Tayal is a language in Taiwan. So yeah, we have them.

790
00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:30,773
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it too? Like, is it possible when

791
00:42:30,813 --> 00:42:34,973
Speaker 3: you're hearing those different languages, can you draw out common threads?

792
00:42:35,013 --> 00:42:35,533
Speaker 11: Not at all?

793
00:42:35,893 --> 00:42:37,813
Speaker 3: Right now, I don't. I don't necessarily mean in the

794
00:42:37,813 --> 00:42:39,653
Speaker 3: structure of the language or even in the sound of

795
00:42:39,693 --> 00:42:42,653
Speaker 3: the language, but in the way that for example, ted

796
00:42:42,693 --> 00:42:47,373
Speaker 3: El Maldi uses so many metaphors inspired by the natural world,

797
00:42:47,413 --> 00:42:50,693
Speaker 3: right like are they are there? Are there themes like

798
00:42:50,733 --> 00:42:52,733
Speaker 3: that that you can see through the language or not?

799
00:42:52,773 --> 00:42:55,413
Speaker 11: Really I can't see them through the language. But the

800
00:42:55,493 --> 00:43:00,013
Speaker 11: stories are similar. So Scotti wrote a song that talks

801
00:43:00,013 --> 00:43:02,653
Speaker 11: about the relationship between the sun and the moon, and

802
00:43:02,693 --> 00:43:07,053
Speaker 11: that story is present in indigenous Australian story is as well.

803
00:43:08,453 --> 00:43:11,653
Speaker 11: The song that we wrote with Inca and Bing, she

804
00:43:12,333 --> 00:43:15,093
Speaker 11: the very first song she everluned as a child was

805
00:43:15,093 --> 00:43:17,653
Speaker 11: in Japanese because they were colonized by the Japanese then

806
00:43:17,733 --> 00:43:21,013
Speaker 11: and Chinese and their parents had their mouths washed out.

807
00:43:21,133 --> 00:43:24,133
Speaker 11: Was so the same experience that my father's generation had.

808
00:43:24,813 --> 00:43:28,933
Speaker 11: So when we wrote a song about taku real my treasure,

809
00:43:29,453 --> 00:43:34,213
Speaker 11: you know, my jewel, this song is about, she got

810
00:43:34,293 --> 00:43:37,173
Speaker 11: very very emotional, you know. So those sort of things,

811
00:43:37,173 --> 00:43:41,453
Speaker 11: the stories, stories that come with colonization, they're very similar.

812
00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:45,693
Speaker 3: There are common kind of experiences. H Yeah, you mentioned

813
00:43:46,373 --> 00:43:53,813
Speaker 3: were coma Hawaii. Do you do you notice the commonalities

814
00:43:53,853 --> 00:43:54,733
Speaker 3: between the Hawaiian and.

815
00:43:54,653 --> 00:44:01,533
Speaker 11: Did she's the same way comar to a queer. We

816
00:44:01,573 --> 00:44:05,613
Speaker 11: first met com you were at the Olympic Games and

817
00:44:05,653 --> 00:44:08,733
Speaker 11: the Cultural Olympic it in Greece like about a million

818
00:44:08,853 --> 00:44:11,813
Speaker 11: years ago, and just when I was hunting around for

819
00:44:11,853 --> 00:44:15,453
Speaker 11: a Hawaiian native Hawaiian singer just landed on here and

820
00:44:15,533 --> 00:44:19,333
Speaker 11: that was really special. So yeah, we've got a Hacke

821
00:44:19,413 --> 00:44:23,573
Speaker 11: team for their band for this concert, and it's got

822
00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:25,893
Speaker 11: four women in it for a change. Usually it's a

823
00:44:25,933 --> 00:44:30,093
Speaker 11: male lineup, so they come from different groups. In fact,

824
00:44:30,133 --> 00:44:33,413
Speaker 11: one of the Madam Jones was a bit of a

825
00:44:33,773 --> 00:44:36,213
Speaker 11: probably about four years old when I released a song

826
00:44:36,253 --> 00:44:38,933
Speaker 11: called Black Pearl and was in the video. So now

827
00:44:38,933 --> 00:44:41,893
Speaker 11: I've dragged her out. Now she's got her own black films.

828
00:44:41,693 --> 00:44:44,333
Speaker 3: Got the curler, I got the caller. How good because

829
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:46,853
Speaker 3: all I was the celebration of International Women's Day, right.

830
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,853
Speaker 11: Yes, yes it is. And so and we've got Marrika

831
00:44:49,933 --> 00:44:52,293
Speaker 11: who she's a well known bass player, plays with lots

832
00:44:52,333 --> 00:44:57,013
Speaker 11: of awesome bands. And my sister Trina, my friend Amadia

833
00:44:58,733 --> 00:45:01,413
Speaker 11: and We've got some very handy talented blokes in there

834
00:45:01,453 --> 00:45:05,493
Speaker 11: as well, like Scottie and Patty and Kadzo, So it's

835
00:45:05,533 --> 00:45:08,053
Speaker 11: going to be great and it's a celebration of like

836
00:45:08,173 --> 00:45:15,413
Speaker 11: Manawahi nere manadel. We will just realized that it's been

837
00:45:15,493 --> 00:45:19,373
Speaker 11: thirty years since I wrote a song called Treaty, So

838
00:45:19,373 --> 00:45:20,813
Speaker 11: we're going to pop that one out too.

839
00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:22,933
Speaker 10: Can you believe it?

840
00:45:23,173 --> 00:45:23,373
Speaker 3: Yes?

841
00:45:24,333 --> 00:45:24,613
Speaker 7: Years?

842
00:45:25,413 --> 00:45:27,413
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that is remarkable.

843
00:45:27,653 --> 00:45:28,453
Speaker 11: Is that amazing?

844
00:45:28,613 --> 00:45:28,933
Speaker 3: Yeah?

845
00:45:29,093 --> 00:45:32,973
Speaker 11: And that's why I can remember the articles to the

846
00:45:33,013 --> 00:45:35,653
Speaker 11: treaty because we turned it into a hukka. So it's like,

847
00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:38,733
Speaker 11: God there, Queen, I don't need this. So if anyone says,

848
00:45:38,853 --> 00:45:40,973
Speaker 11: you know, know what's in the Treaty, I'm like, stand

849
00:45:41,013 --> 00:45:43,333
Speaker 11: back here, you know. So we're going to play that

850
00:45:43,373 --> 00:45:45,933
Speaker 11: one because it's it's relevant, it won't go away.

851
00:45:46,013 --> 00:45:47,893
Speaker 3: Well, it's always been one of the defining things with

852
00:45:47,933 --> 00:45:50,813
Speaker 3: your music, right, Your music has always kind of responded

853
00:45:50,813 --> 00:45:54,653
Speaker 3: to the moment. So how do you think about this moment?

854
00:45:55,253 --> 00:45:59,053
Speaker 11: Oh, this moment is extremely challenging. So songs like Treaty

855
00:45:59,093 --> 00:46:04,173
Speaker 11: with the messages still relevant, still enduring, but it's kind

856
00:46:04,253 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 11: of like a mobilizing sort of song. And I think

857
00:46:07,573 --> 00:46:11,133
Speaker 11: I think what's really exciting now, Jack, is that there

858
00:46:11,213 --> 00:46:15,373
Speaker 11: are so many people out there, Marty and non Mardy

859
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:19,413
Speaker 11: who are part of a movement that are excited by

860
00:46:19,453 --> 00:46:23,653
Speaker 11: things that don't feel threatened, that are thinking into generationally,

861
00:46:24,373 --> 00:46:30,333
Speaker 11: and and you know that's the exciting inspirational thing. And

862
00:46:30,373 --> 00:46:34,253
Speaker 11: so on March the eighth, we're talking to women from

863
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Speaker 11: all walks of life as well as all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, I kind of you know, it's easy to

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Speaker 11: get a bit depressed, especially when you listen to the

866
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Speaker 11: news and you think, really, that is so dumb, and

867
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Speaker 11: then you just think about all the people out there

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Speaker 11: that are switched on and doing things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you see what you think of depressing developments

870
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Speaker 3: or stories or politics or whatever, does it kind of

871
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Speaker 3: stoke the creative fire in you.

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Speaker 11: Oh, my creative fire has been a little bit dampened

873
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Speaker 11: by this thing called journalism, which I only started reluctantly

874
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Speaker 11: about sixty years ago. And I cannot believe how intense

875
00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:17,613
Speaker 11: it is, isn't it.

876
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so intense.

877
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Speaker 11: It's one o'clock in the morning, intense, swatting over questions,

878
00:47:23,933 --> 00:47:26,813
Speaker 11: having a hundred questions, and then somebody going you can

879
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Speaker 11: only ask sex don't be ridiculous. The responsibility of picking

880
00:47:31,493 --> 00:47:35,413
Speaker 11: stories or issues and thinking, oh, but then what about this?

881
00:47:35,533 --> 00:47:38,813
Speaker 11: Oh my god, that one, or having someone say no

882
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Speaker 11: one cares about that and then thinking, well, we've got

883
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Speaker 11: to make them care about that. I just find it

884
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Speaker 11: really really intense. A privilege, but a huge responsibility.

885
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Speaker 3: Isn't it. But interesting that you say that that stampened

886
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Speaker 3: your kind of creative fires, because there's a creative component

887
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Speaker 3: to what you do, especially on TIA.

888
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

889
00:47:57,693 --> 00:48:01,613
Speaker 11: I think we try and help connect the dots or

890
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Speaker 11: engage people in a way that you have to be

891
00:48:05,213 --> 00:48:10,013
Speaker 11: creative because everything's like Tiki TOOKI carry on nowadays it's

892
00:48:10,053 --> 00:48:12,653
Speaker 11: like five seconds or stuff. So you have to find

893
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Speaker 11: ways to reach out to people. And we're not really

894
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:19,493
Speaker 11: into the sound bites and the headlines, are trying to

895
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Speaker 11: contribute to a better and a more nuanced conversation. So

896
00:48:23,133 --> 00:48:25,093
Speaker 11: that's a challenge. You have to be creative when you

897
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Speaker 11: do that. Yeah, so you.

898
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Speaker 3: Said you were kind of reluctant getting into it, but

899
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Speaker 3: it's been hugely successful and I was beloved. It feels

900
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Speaker 3: like you've really like you've really found a great place

901
00:48:37,173 --> 00:48:38,973
Speaker 3: on that show. As well, like you say, you're not

902
00:48:39,093 --> 00:48:42,573
Speaker 3: chasing their headlines and kind of little gotcha moments or

903
00:48:42,613 --> 00:48:44,973
Speaker 3: anything like that. You know, you I appreciate that.

904
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Speaker 11: My reluctance was because I have great respect for journalists

905
00:48:49,213 --> 00:48:53,333
Speaker 11: and the journalists that I know, you know, they trained,

906
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Speaker 11: they went to journalism school and you know, if I

907
00:48:56,453 --> 00:48:59,973
Speaker 11: think back to Derek Fox and when a huddle and

908
00:49:00,013 --> 00:49:02,773
Speaker 11: the people that I know that you know, they learned all.

909
00:49:03,653 --> 00:49:06,013
Speaker 11: So I was like, I can't be a journalist. I

910
00:49:06,053 --> 00:49:08,493
Speaker 11: don't know the first thing about it. Then they brought

911
00:49:08,493 --> 00:49:12,453
Speaker 11: on this really cool producer, Colin mccraye is fear balanced

912
00:49:12,453 --> 00:49:14,773
Speaker 11: and accurate, and I'm like, how can you be fear

913
00:49:14,813 --> 00:49:17,453
Speaker 11: balanced and accurate when it's not a fear balanced or

914
00:49:17,493 --> 00:49:20,733
Speaker 11: accurate world? And we had this wonderful discussion. Yeah yeah,

915
00:49:21,413 --> 00:49:23,413
Speaker 11: and then it just I just sort of thought, I'll

916
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Speaker 11: just ask the questions that when you're doing your interview,

917
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Speaker 11: and I'm thinking, and you do, you know, so that's

918
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Speaker 11: what's such a privilege, And you know, you are just

919
00:49:34,693 --> 00:49:38,053
Speaker 11: such a great interviewer. Jack yourself. No, I love it.

920
00:49:38,493 --> 00:49:42,053
Speaker 11: I love the way that you smile and here we go.

921
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Speaker 11: He's going.

922
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, like you say it's a privilege, but.

923
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Speaker 11: I don't know how you balance everything?

924
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, yeah, I think I could say exactly

925
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Speaker 3: the same thing for you speaking of it, How are

926
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Speaker 3: you going to balance everything on stage with all these

927
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Speaker 3: different performers, Like, how's this now? We're going to manage this? Well,

928
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Speaker 3: there are time to practice a no, no.

929
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Speaker 11: No, there's people coming from Rosary. It's just hard enough

930
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Speaker 11: getting the people from Auckland together. So and we're trying

931
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Speaker 11: to avoid any safety issues where someone gets clouded over

932
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Speaker 11: the head with the tire and stuff like that.

933
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Speaker 3: We've got we do your best on that front. If

934
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Speaker 3: you can avoid that festivals remember.

935
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Speaker 11: This was going to have any safety issues? No, no,

936
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Speaker 11: they're all professionals. Might get hit by my POI. But

937
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Speaker 11: you know, it's a very carefully curated thing. I am

938
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Speaker 11: quite excited about. I listened to it every day my

939
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Speaker 11: set list, just to kind of ingrain the lyrics into

940
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Speaker 11: my brain and the messages. And you know, it's funny, Jack,

941
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Speaker 11: because we've realized that, like the whole set, probably ninety

942
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Speaker 11: percent of it is in language.

943
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Speaker 6: Now.

944
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Speaker 11: I wouldn't have been able to say that, you know,

945
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Speaker 11: thirty years ago, when I was doing treating. And it's

946
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Speaker 11: just that's how it's evolved. It's not like we went, Okay,

947
00:50:56,573 --> 00:50:58,933
Speaker 11: we must have to do this. It's like, oh that song,

948
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Speaker 11: Oh my god, you know so. And I think that's

949
00:51:02,733 --> 00:51:06,133
Speaker 11: what's so exciting about twenty twenty six is listening to

950
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Speaker 11: people speak the ill. You know, it's exciting. And you've

951
00:51:10,853 --> 00:51:11,693
Speaker 11: done your book too.

952
00:51:12,093 --> 00:51:13,893
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a bumpy road.

953
00:51:14,413 --> 00:51:17,493
Speaker 11: She's a bumpy road. I'll tell you. She don't have

954
00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:18,333
Speaker 11: to get up and cut on.

955
00:51:18,373 --> 00:51:21,613
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. Well, you've got the pipes for

956
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Speaker 3: it at the very time.

957
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Speaker 12: Thank you.

958
00:51:23,453 --> 00:51:26,053
Speaker 3: We are really really excited that you and the Tribe

959
00:51:26,053 --> 00:51:28,093
Speaker 3: will be performing. Thank you so much for giving us

960
00:51:28,133 --> 00:51:29,373
Speaker 3: your time and enjoy it.

961
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Speaker 11: Thank you. Jack number he qu.

962
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Speaker 3: That is Moana Money a Portal or Not with Mourna

963
00:51:35,613 --> 00:51:39,093
Speaker 3: and the Tribe is at Auckland Town Hall on the

964
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Speaker 3: eighth of March as part of the Auckland Arts Festival,

965
00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:43,933
Speaker 3: and we will have all of the deeds you know

966
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Speaker 3: where at newstalksb dot co dot m Z forward slash Jack.

967
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:52,213
Speaker 3: Now before eleven o'clock we're in the garden and we're

968
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Speaker 3: talking to our personal finance expert about the truth about

969
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Speaker 3: financial advisors in New Zealand. The ones who are paid,

970
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Speaker 3: the ones aren't. How they make their money, How to

971
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Speaker 3: pick a good financial advisor. He'll be here very shortly.

972
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Speaker 3: Next up, though, you screen time picks for this weekend.

973
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Speaker 3: If you're looking for a good show to watch or

974
00:52:09,173 --> 00:52:12,853
Speaker 3: stream from the comfort of your place. It's twenty past ten.

975
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Speaker 1: Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday morning with

976
00:52:18,413 --> 00:52:20,133
Speaker 1: Jack Dame News Dogs Evy.

977
00:52:21,893 --> 00:52:24,173
Speaker 3: It is twenty three minutes past ten on news Talks.

978
00:52:24,213 --> 00:52:26,133
Speaker 3: He'd be so many messages in this morning. Thank you

979
00:52:26,213 --> 00:52:29,373
Speaker 3: very much for all of your feedback. So before ten

980
00:52:29,373 --> 00:52:32,413
Speaker 3: o'clock we were talking about this new film Deeper, which

981
00:52:32,453 --> 00:52:36,053
Speaker 3: follows a group of cave divers in the Kahudungi National Park,

982
00:52:36,133 --> 00:52:39,933
Speaker 3: including the guy who headed up or was a big

983
00:52:39,973 --> 00:52:42,893
Speaker 3: part of the rescue of the tie boys from that

984
00:52:42,973 --> 00:52:47,573
Speaker 3: cave however many years ago, and that incredible, incredible rescue effort.

985
00:52:48,373 --> 00:52:50,453
Speaker 3: And I said, if you're a cave diver, Flickers, I

986
00:52:50,493 --> 00:52:53,173
Speaker 3: know here you go, Jack, cave diver here. It's the

987
00:52:53,213 --> 00:52:57,813
Speaker 3: technical challenge that excites me, planning the dive, taking your training, gear,

988
00:52:57,893 --> 00:53:01,093
Speaker 3: configuration and knowledge to the next level. Otherwise it's just

989
00:53:01,213 --> 00:53:06,013
Speaker 3: wet rocks. I like that. I can see that the

990
00:53:06,373 --> 00:53:09,173
Speaker 3: methodical nature I mean diving. To be a safe diver,

991
00:53:09,213 --> 00:53:11,253
Speaker 3: you always have to be methodical. But I suppose cave

992
00:53:11,333 --> 00:53:14,853
Speaker 3: diving it takes that the kind of process and method

993
00:53:14,893 --> 00:53:18,093
Speaker 3: to the next extreme, doesn't it. So being really methodical

994
00:53:18,133 --> 00:53:19,853
Speaker 3: I can see how that would be an attraction for

995
00:53:19,933 --> 00:53:22,173
Speaker 3: some people. Thank you for that. I'll get tomorrow messages

996
00:53:22,173 --> 00:53:23,813
Speaker 3: shortly ninety two ninety two if you want to send

997
00:53:23,893 --> 00:53:25,773
Speaker 3: us a text. Right now twenty four past ten, which

998
00:53:25,773 --> 00:53:29,653
Speaker 3: means it's screen time time. Carl Pushman is here with

999
00:53:29,693 --> 00:53:32,293
Speaker 3: his picks for this week. Get a Carl one Jack.

1000
00:53:32,333 --> 00:53:34,853
Speaker 3: It's a bit of a reality doco kind of week

1001
00:53:34,893 --> 00:53:37,693
Speaker 3: for us on screen time, So let's kick things off

1002
00:53:38,173 --> 00:53:42,053
Speaker 3: with a show streaming on Neon tell Us about neighbors.

1003
00:53:42,973 --> 00:53:45,573
Speaker 5: This isn't the gone but not forgotten Auzzy soap. Instead,

1004
00:53:45,573 --> 00:53:48,213
Speaker 5: it's a new American reality show from the premium TV

1005
00:53:48,293 --> 00:53:51,853
Speaker 5: network HBO and the Hippit Than Now studio A twenty four.

1006
00:53:52,373 --> 00:53:54,653
Speaker 5: This piqued my interest because they're an unlikely pair to

1007
00:53:54,693 --> 00:53:57,533
Speaker 5: be collaborating on something as basic as a reality show.

1008
00:53:58,093 --> 00:54:01,173
Speaker 5: The concept is straightforward. Each week, at different pair of

1009
00:54:01,173 --> 00:54:04,133
Speaker 5: feuding neighbors. With these two brands, that concept is a

1010
00:54:04,173 --> 00:54:07,173
Speaker 5: bit disappointing because it's nothing new, even our own version

1011
00:54:07,213 --> 00:54:10,853
Speaker 5: of that with TVNZ's Neighbors at War. The opening episode

1012
00:54:10,853 --> 00:54:12,813
Speaker 5: has a pair of neighbors feuding in the wide open

1013
00:54:12,853 --> 00:54:16,653
Speaker 5: grassy plains of Montana. They're separated by acres, but their

1014
00:54:16,653 --> 00:54:19,213
Speaker 5: beef is intense and revolves around a gate that blocks

1015
00:54:19,213 --> 00:54:22,373
Speaker 5: access to a private road linking many of these little

1016
00:54:22,413 --> 00:54:26,973
Speaker 5: farmland properties together. Meanwhile, in sunny Florida, a beachfront resident

1017
00:54:27,013 --> 00:54:28,933
Speaker 5: is fighting to keep people off the sand in front

1018
00:54:28,973 --> 00:54:32,573
Speaker 5: of his property, while a nearby resident rallies the community

1019
00:54:32,573 --> 00:54:35,893
Speaker 5: to keep the beach open for all. So the beefs

1020
00:54:35,933 --> 00:54:38,973
Speaker 5: that they have here are pretty intense, and the show

1021
00:54:39,053 --> 00:54:43,293
Speaker 5: does show both sides of these arguments. The thing is

1022
00:54:43,333 --> 00:54:46,373
Speaker 5: it's not interested at all in resolution. Instead, we still

1023
00:54:46,453 --> 00:54:50,293
Speaker 5: get the snapshot of these arguments before the next episode

1024
00:54:50,333 --> 00:54:53,213
Speaker 5: moves on to completely new people. It also doesn't bring

1025
00:54:53,253 --> 00:54:55,933
Speaker 5: in any legal experts who could weigh in and sort

1026
00:54:55,933 --> 00:54:57,853
Speaker 5: of suggest who is in the right and who is

1027
00:54:57,853 --> 00:55:02,053
Speaker 5: in the wrong. Here, it's more playing these situations for laughs, really,

1028
00:55:02,333 --> 00:55:05,533
Speaker 5: but they're laughing at not with the people involved. So

1029
00:55:05,893 --> 00:55:09,413
Speaker 5: that can that can feel a little bit nasty. So

1030
00:55:09,493 --> 00:55:13,213
Speaker 5: despite the show's premium premium heritage, it is a little

1031
00:55:13,213 --> 00:55:13,653
Speaker 5: bit cheap.

1032
00:55:13,853 --> 00:55:14,093
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1033
00:55:14,133 --> 00:55:16,293
Speaker 3: Interesting. I mean that's funny. A so there's no kind

1034
00:55:16,293 --> 00:55:18,853
Speaker 3: of payoff. You sort of think that's what people hang

1035
00:55:18,893 --> 00:55:21,453
Speaker 3: around for, right, either for a bit of peace between

1036
00:55:21,493 --> 00:55:24,093
Speaker 3: the neighbors or for you know, I llegal experts saying well,

1037
00:55:24,133 --> 00:55:25,493
Speaker 3: technically this person's in the right.

1038
00:55:25,533 --> 00:55:29,213
Speaker 5: But yeah, okay, exactly, so you just see this problem

1039
00:55:29,293 --> 00:55:32,453
Speaker 5: and then you're just left hanging. Yeah, that's just it

1040
00:55:32,533 --> 00:55:34,253
Speaker 5: doesn't it's not fulfilling anyway.

1041
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Speaker 3: He really interesting. Okay, So that's Neighbors. That's streaming on Neon.

1042
00:55:38,293 --> 00:55:41,293
Speaker 3: It comes from HBO. Next up streaming on Netflix being

1043
00:55:41,413 --> 00:55:42,253
Speaker 3: Gordon Ramsey.

1044
00:55:43,373 --> 00:55:45,573
Speaker 5: Now, this had the famous Angry Chef, had a film

1045
00:55:45,613 --> 00:55:47,653
Speaker 5: crew follow him around for a year and the lead

1046
00:55:47,693 --> 00:55:50,813
Speaker 5: up to launching his most ambitious project to date, five

1047
00:55:50,893 --> 00:55:53,533
Speaker 5: new restaurants at the very top of the sixty story

1048
00:55:53,613 --> 00:55:57,453
Speaker 5: BIShopgate building in London. He claims he has twenty million

1049
00:55:57,453 --> 00:55:59,853
Speaker 5: pounds of his own money on the line with this project,

1050
00:56:00,173 --> 00:56:02,973
Speaker 5: which in real money is forty five million dollars, and

1051
00:56:03,213 --> 00:56:06,373
Speaker 5: he needs this project to be a success. Having six hours.

1052
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:11,173
Speaker 5: Netflix exposure would have to help this, you'd think. So cynically,

1053
00:56:11,413 --> 00:56:13,333
Speaker 5: you could look at it as sort of an ad

1054
00:56:13,573 --> 00:56:17,733
Speaker 5: for this new restaurant development he's doing. He's also the

1055
00:56:17,773 --> 00:56:22,373
Speaker 5: executive producer, so it does feel fairly sanitized in that way.

1056
00:56:23,013 --> 00:56:25,933
Speaker 5: Even still, he's an interesting fellow, and watching someone with

1057
00:56:26,093 --> 00:56:29,493
Speaker 5: his dry ambition and that level of success operate is

1058
00:56:29,533 --> 00:56:33,133
Speaker 5: still really fascinating. His project managers and his staff as

1059
00:56:33,213 --> 00:56:36,133
Speaker 5: chefs will talk about his relentless pursuit for perfection, and

1060
00:56:36,213 --> 00:56:38,093
Speaker 5: you see that he talks about a million and one

1061
00:56:38,133 --> 00:56:41,933
Speaker 5: little details, including being heavily involved in the shape of

1062
00:56:41,933 --> 00:56:44,493
Speaker 5: the water bottles that go on the tables of the

1063
00:56:44,533 --> 00:56:47,733
Speaker 5: new restaurant. So he is all over this thing. So

1064
00:56:48,373 --> 00:56:50,493
Speaker 5: you know, there's a lot to like in the show

1065
00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:53,293
Speaker 5: if you like Renault shows. The build of the restaurant

1066
00:56:53,333 --> 00:56:55,333
Speaker 5: is great. Reminded me a little bit of Grand Designs,

1067
00:56:55,333 --> 00:56:59,093
Speaker 5: because the design of these things is hugely ambitious. Retractable roofs,

1068
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Speaker 5: private dining rooms, all sorts of things like that. Foodies

1069
00:57:02,013 --> 00:57:04,773
Speaker 5: will enjoy the abundance of driol worthy food shops you

1070
00:57:04,813 --> 00:57:08,653
Speaker 5: get is some of the the food just looks absolutely

1071
00:57:08,653 --> 00:57:12,133
Speaker 5: incredible and amazing and the man himself is entertaining, whether

1072
00:57:12,173 --> 00:57:15,053
Speaker 5: he's crashing his car on a tight London street, buzzing

1073
00:57:15,053 --> 00:57:18,973
Speaker 5: around the sky high building site, or jovially teasing his

1074
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Speaker 5: wife about the fat pancakes he's made for the kids breakfast.

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Speaker 5: He's just an entertaining chap and he talks about his

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00:57:24,933 --> 00:57:27,293
Speaker 5: upbringing in a Council of state, growing up poor in

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00:57:27,293 --> 00:57:32,133
Speaker 5: his journey. So being Gordon Ramsey seems exhausting, but watching

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00:57:32,173 --> 00:57:33,933
Speaker 5: Gordon Ramsey is definitely entertaining.

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00:57:34,053 --> 00:57:36,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, oh that's good because he It's funny

1080
00:57:36,773 --> 00:57:38,373
Speaker 3: how there's sort of a bit of a trend at

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00:57:38,373 --> 00:57:40,973
Speaker 3: the moment, whether it's the Beckhams or Milani or Gordon Ramsey,

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00:57:41,013 --> 00:57:43,693
Speaker 3: where everyone's the executive producer of their own series. You've

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00:57:43,693 --> 00:57:46,413
Speaker 3: always got to wonder, you know, how critical is it

1084
00:57:46,453 --> 00:57:48,413
Speaker 3: really going to be? But at the very least he's

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00:57:48,413 --> 00:57:51,853
Speaker 3: an interesting character, So you do learn a lot about

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00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:53,813
Speaker 3: him and kind of, you know, come to one understand

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00:57:53,853 --> 00:57:54,373
Speaker 3: him a bit.

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00:57:54,213 --> 00:57:58,013
Speaker 5: More exactly exactly, And he's got a good humor about him.

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00:57:58,013 --> 00:58:03,413
Speaker 5: And even though he's insanely driven, he's not unreasonable. He

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00:58:03,653 --> 00:58:05,973
Speaker 5: explains what he wants, why he wants it. Yeah, how

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00:58:05,973 --> 00:58:09,373
Speaker 5: he wants it, and these top professionals to it, and

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00:58:09,373 --> 00:58:11,413
Speaker 5: it's always quite saying to watch people at the top

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00:58:11,413 --> 00:58:13,293
Speaker 5: of their game doing all these things.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, nice, Okay, so being Gordon Ramsays on Netflix

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00:58:16,893 --> 00:58:18,533
Speaker 3: and last but not least, you are not going to

1096
00:58:18,613 --> 00:58:20,813
Speaker 3: believe this, Carl. I'm going to sound like such a snob.

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00:58:20,853 --> 00:58:24,213
Speaker 3: Do you know I have never watched a single episode,

1098
00:58:24,293 --> 00:58:27,293
Speaker 3: let alone a single series of Married at First Sight?

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00:58:27,413 --> 00:58:31,293
Speaker 3: But Married at First Sight Australia is back for season thirteen.

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00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:34,813
Speaker 5: Oh you are missing out, my friend, you are missing out.

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00:58:34,973 --> 00:58:39,693
Speaker 5: And now this is the biggie of all the shows

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Speaker 5: we're talking about today, good old mass Australia. We're now

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00:58:43,693 --> 00:58:46,773
Speaker 5: actually now second week. It began last week and like

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00:58:46,813 --> 00:58:49,493
Speaker 5: the couples involved, the show does ask for commitment from

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00:58:49,493 --> 00:58:52,173
Speaker 5: the viewer. We're talking it's on five nights a week,

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00:58:52,413 --> 00:58:55,693
Speaker 5: so it's a lot is it worth it? I'll admit

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00:58:55,733 --> 00:58:57,933
Speaker 5: that last week I was getting cold feet. Only one

1108
00:58:57,933 --> 00:59:00,293
Speaker 5: and a half of the nine couples weren't getting along.

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00:59:00,573 --> 00:59:02,213
Speaker 5: I need to be very clear that there is no

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00:59:02,333 --> 00:59:05,853
Speaker 5: entertainment value in watching people be happy. Fortunately, now in

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00:59:05,893 --> 00:59:09,093
Speaker 5: the second those love bubbles are starting to burst. As

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00:59:09,093 --> 00:59:11,893
Speaker 5: a viewer couldn't be happier. The couples may be looking

1113
00:59:11,893 --> 00:59:14,333
Speaker 5: for love, but I am solely looking for lowbrow entertainment

1114
00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:17,133
Speaker 5: out of maths, and it is starting to deliver. The

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00:59:17,253 --> 00:59:20,813
Speaker 5: editors have been working over time to create their little

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00:59:20,853 --> 00:59:24,133
Speaker 5: cast of characters. We've got men girls group wanting everybody up.

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00:59:24,413 --> 00:59:26,613
Speaker 5: We've got a nasty feud between two of the brides,

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00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:28,973
Speaker 5: and we've got some poor people who are about to

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00:59:28,973 --> 00:59:33,133
Speaker 5: be blindsided by some revelations that their relationship isn't quite

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Speaker 5: as rosy as they think it might be. Despite my

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00:59:35,973 --> 00:59:38,893
Speaker 5: initial reservations last week, I should have heeded the advice

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00:59:38,933 --> 00:59:42,013
Speaker 5: that's so regularly given to the couples to trust the experts,

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00:59:42,173 --> 00:59:45,373
Speaker 5: trust the process, because it has quickly become as gloriously

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00:59:45,413 --> 00:59:47,973
Speaker 5: trashy as the previous twelve seasons.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, Carl, there is nothing wrong with

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00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:53,853
Speaker 3: a bit of escapism, a bit of trashy escapism, fair enough.

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Speaker 5: You know you want to take your mind of the

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00:59:56,133 --> 00:59:56,893
Speaker 5: problems of the world.

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Speaker 3: Exactly now, that will do it? Yeah, yeah, exactly, are fantastic. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So that's married at first sight astrology. It's on three now,

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Speaker 3: of course, And on three Carl Pushment. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: You can find more of Carl of course on his

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Speaker 3: substack screen.

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Speaker 2: Crack Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 8: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on news talksb Why

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Speaker 8: Know young?

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Speaker 11: Why know?

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01:00:22,333 --> 01:00:23,173
Speaker 6: You find ideas?

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Speaker 14: Even see yourself?

1140
01:00:24,573 --> 01:00:27,133
Speaker 13: Because I don't want Are you at say their money

1141
01:00:27,173 --> 01:00:28,733
Speaker 13: talks on the web?

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01:00:29,013 --> 01:00:29,653
Speaker 6: You're sucking the.

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01:00:33,373 --> 01:00:37,533
Speaker 3: This is a song called shut your Mouth. I wonder

1144
01:00:37,573 --> 01:00:39,893
Speaker 3: if producer Libby's trying to see us a little signal

1145
01:00:39,933 --> 01:00:43,093
Speaker 3: this morning's all right, I'm gonna take it personally. It's

1146
01:00:43,133 --> 01:00:45,533
Speaker 3: by an Auckland based band called Dick Move. I hope

1147
01:00:45,573 --> 01:00:47,693
Speaker 3: you'll excuse that language. That's the name of the band though.

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Speaker 3: They're part of the lineup Explore this weekend, and of

1149
01:00:50,653 --> 01:00:52,813
Speaker 3: course that means they are part of the final chapter

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01:00:52,933 --> 01:00:55,373
Speaker 3: of the beloved New Zealand Festival. So the festival got

1151
01:00:55,493 --> 01:00:58,733
Speaker 3: underway yesterday at the tar Pappa Kunga Regional Park for

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01:00:58,853 --> 01:01:03,213
Speaker 3: the very last time. It's more than two decades the

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01:01:03,413 --> 01:01:05,813
Speaker 3: festival has been running now and it's kind of multi

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01:01:05,933 --> 01:01:10,613
Speaker 3: day fever dream of music, arts, rituals. Feel like it's

1155
01:01:10,653 --> 01:01:12,653
Speaker 3: a good place if you want, if you're in need

1156
01:01:12,693 --> 01:01:15,533
Speaker 3: of a new dream catcher, I feel like Explore would

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01:01:15,533 --> 01:01:17,653
Speaker 3: be a good place to pick one up. It's kind

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01:01:17,693 --> 01:01:19,613
Speaker 3: of a family friendly festival too, so that you can

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01:01:19,653 --> 01:01:22,453
Speaker 3: take the kids anyway. Last year, John Minty, who runs Blow,

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01:01:22,493 --> 01:01:26,453
Speaker 3: announced that Judah struggles with ticket sales, this year's festival

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01:01:26,853 --> 01:01:28,653
Speaker 3: would be the very last, so it kind of marks

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01:01:28,653 --> 01:01:31,213
Speaker 3: a bit of an end to a golden era really

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Speaker 3: and cultural experimentation and social social gathering and spor's absence

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01:01:37,253 --> 01:01:39,253
Speaker 3: is going to lead more than just a dance shaped

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01:01:39,293 --> 01:01:41,613
Speaker 3: hole in our summer. It's a bit of a reflection

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Speaker 3: of the state of our music and arts scene right now.

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Speaker 3: So our music reviewer is going to join us before

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Speaker 3: midday on news talks. He'd be to reflect on Explor's

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01:01:50,773 --> 01:01:54,373
Speaker 3: status and what no More Splore Splore no More will

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Speaker 3: mean for the state of New Zealand's festival scene. Looking

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Speaker 3: forward to that. Thank you very much for your messages, Jack,

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Speaker 3: loving your show, love your perspective. I am struggling to

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01:02:03,213 --> 01:02:06,773
Speaker 3: understand how and why after ten years, and I's surely

1174
01:02:06,853 --> 01:02:11,253
Speaker 3: millions of pages of evidence. Gallain Maxwell and former Prince

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01:02:11,333 --> 01:02:14,133
Speaker 3: Andrew are the only two people properly being held to

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Speaker 3: any account Jack. As for Prince Andrew, a long time coming,

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Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, and for Sarah and the daughters,

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01:02:23,333 --> 01:02:25,373
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, they are all involved. All

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Speaker 3: credit to William, the Prince of Wales, were being a

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01:02:27,373 --> 01:02:29,653
Speaker 3: force to reckon with in the royal family. He has

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01:02:29,773 --> 01:02:33,053
Speaker 3: been quite staunched in sorting out his uncle, and I

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01:02:33,173 --> 01:02:37,053
Speaker 3: don't think that Beatrice and Eugenie have dodged his wrath either.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two If you want to send us a message

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01:02:40,093 --> 01:02:43,493
Speaker 3: this morning before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden looking

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Speaker 3: at some of the bird behavior at this time of year.

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Speaker 3: I have put the bird feeder away for the last

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Speaker 3: couple of months. I figured the birds were getting more

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Speaker 3: than enough, but I reckon it might just be time

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Speaker 3: to pull them out as the weather slowly starts to

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Speaker 3: turn into autumn. We're not quite there yet, it's only

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Speaker 3: mid February, but you know better be on the safe

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Speaker 3: side of things. Make sure the birds haven't forgotten me.

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Speaker 3: Twenty four to eleven. Our texperts in next.

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Speaker 1: The headlines the hard Questions, it's the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: More of this cultural anks we seem to be fighting

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Speaker 16: over this time. In the army, they paused the cultural

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Speaker 16: skills framework, right, it would require you to learn why

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Speaker 16: Arta and Karakia off by heart while practicing Tea Kung

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Speaker 16: in order to move up the ranks due to Collins.

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Speaker 16: As of course, Defense Minister, why is this stuff so

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01:03:23,173 --> 01:03:24,373
Speaker 16: ramped into the public service.

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01:03:24,453 --> 01:03:27,293
Speaker 17: Oh, because it's had six years of it under the

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01:03:27,413 --> 01:03:32,293
Speaker 17: previous regime. Factor's army needs to be a fighting fit army.

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Speaker 17: And yes, this is important in certain circumstances. And I

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01:03:35,973 --> 01:03:38,213
Speaker 17: do not want this standing in the way of someone

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Speaker 17: being promoted.

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Speaker 2: That's the real grievance for me.

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Speaker 16: Tea hunger for promotion.

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Speaker 2: That's wrong. It is absolutely wrong.

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Speaker 16: Back Monday from six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: a Vida Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one to eleven on Newstalk ZEDB. Social media's impact

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Speaker 3: on mental health is being examined in a landmark case. Paustin,

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Speaker 3: ours is our text, Bert, He's got all the details

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Speaker 3: for us this morning, So talk to us about this trial. Paul. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: this is a This is a.

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Speaker 18: Big one, Jack, because usually these tech companies kind of

1218
01:04:07,693 --> 01:04:10,693
Speaker 18: settle some of this stuff outside of court but or

1219
01:04:10,773 --> 01:04:14,213
Speaker 18: in arbitration. To be honest, this one has gone to trial,

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Speaker 18: is in trial at the moment and has a jury.

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Speaker 18: So this is like a you know, this is really

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Speaker 18: trying to put these social platforms now in front of

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Speaker 18: the population to see kind of what the population thinks

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Speaker 18: about what social media's impact or responsibility I guess is

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Speaker 18: when it comes to mental health and about the content

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Speaker 18: they choose to show.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 18: A couple of interesting things to note. One is that

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Speaker 18: typically these social media companies have got around content censorship

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Speaker 18: and taking content down and moderation and all of this stuff,

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Speaker 18: because they say, where does the platform you know, just

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Speaker 18: like if you were a file service. It's kind of

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Speaker 18: like the Kim dot com thing, Right, we can't control

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Speaker 18: what you choose to put on our file service, right,

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Speaker 18: and we you know, we maybe we shouldn't even be

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Speaker 18: looking at what those files are.

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Speaker 3: And so you do you use the service if you

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01:05:05,973 --> 01:05:06,453
Speaker 3: like it, you that.

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Speaker 12: If you don't, you don't.

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Speaker 18: So this is interesting because again it's gone to trial

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Speaker 18: and is also starting to test that kind of fery

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Speaker 18: in that defense, and so.

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Speaker 3: They've got the big players there.

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Speaker 18: This week, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg, who obviously runs Instagram, Facebook,

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Speaker 18: the works he testified, took questions.

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Speaker 3: For six hours, which, right, it's a long time.

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Speaker 12: It's a long time in the stand.

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Speaker 18: And really what's at the center of this case for

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Speaker 18: the prosecution is that there are documents that show that

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Speaker 18: the company had a goal to increase the time that

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Speaker 18: ten year olds spent on Instagram. Now that's important because

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01:05:43,373 --> 01:05:46,293
Speaker 18: the app is supposed to officially be for people thirteen

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01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:49,213
Speaker 18: and above, So they're saying, hey, the company is now

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Speaker 18: trying to do something it said it wasn't really supposed

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Speaker 18: to be doing. Mark Zuckerberg testified this week and said, well,

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Speaker 18: teams use the app. Didn't really mention the fact about

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Speaker 18: the ten, eleven, twelve year olds, right, but thirteen and

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Speaker 18: above they do use the app. They account for a

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01:06:05,293 --> 01:06:08,013
Speaker 18: very small out of the revenue one percent is what

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Speaker 18: he said. So they're not really going after them in

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Speaker 18: the sense of revenue, but they do want them using

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01:06:12,733 --> 01:06:16,973
Speaker 18: the service. But he also talked about something that's we've

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Speaker 18: talked about for a really long time, especially about the

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Speaker 18: Australian rules with the ban with kids using social media.

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Speaker 18: He made the point in court under oath that it

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Speaker 18: is really difficult to identify the accounts of children because

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Speaker 18: there's no driver's license there's no passport. They can just

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Speaker 18: simply lie about your age. You just you know, what

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Speaker 18: is your birthday, You put in the month, you put

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Speaker 18: in the day, and then you just you clock the

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Speaker 18: years back a couple of years, right, suddenly you're thirteen

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Speaker 18: or you're fifteen, or whatever it is you want to be.

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Speaker 18: And so it's so difficult for that to be enforced.

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Speaker 18: And this is just going to be a fascinating case.

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Speaker 12: I guess it's kind of.

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Speaker 18: Like in the analog world is thinking, do you know

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01:07:02,333 --> 01:07:06,173
Speaker 18: the women's magazines photo shopping things like they did back

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01:07:06,213 --> 01:07:09,093
Speaker 18: in the nineties early two thousands, you know, is that

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Speaker 18: are they responsible for the mental health? Because that's what

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Speaker 18: this comes back to, right, Yeah, this is about a

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01:07:13,933 --> 01:07:17,093
Speaker 18: twenty year old woman who has mental health struggles and

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Speaker 18: says that they were caused by Instagram and YouTube. So

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Speaker 18: where do you draw the line around individual responsibility, around

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01:07:28,293 --> 01:07:30,813
Speaker 18: platform involvement and responsibility. And as they say, this is

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Speaker 18: a jury trial, so this is this is going to

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Speaker 18: be the people of America deciding which way this goes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the fact that it's a jury trial, and

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Speaker 3: you sort of get the sense that public sentiment is

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01:07:42,493 --> 01:07:45,973
Speaker 3: starting to shift slobally. I saw Jonathan Hight who's that,

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Speaker 3: you know, the sort of the godfather of the get

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Speaker 3: kids off phones movement. He's saying, he was saying this

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Speaker 3: week that he thinks we're a kind of tipping point moment.

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Speaker 3: He reckons that by the end of the year, most countries,

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Speaker 3: probably not the US, but most kind of developed economies,

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Speaker 3: you know, the likes of Japan, South Korea and New Zealand, Australia,

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Speaker 3: the UK, Europe, et cetera. He reckons will be moving

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Speaker 3: to get teens off phones at least until they're sixteen,

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Speaker 3: if they haven't banned them out right already like Australia has.

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Speaker 3: So that's going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 18: Well, there could be a movement too with all this

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Speaker 18: rise of AI about human can Yeah yeah, Jack, it's

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Speaker 18: so a bit of a banishment of the technology stuff

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01:08:20,213 --> 01:08:21,813
Speaker 18: and say, well hang on, I'll slow down here for

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Speaker 18: a second.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but it'll become a counteraction. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: very interesting. Thanks Pop. There's paulstine House, our texpert. In

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Speaker 3: a couple of minutes on news talks, he'd be the

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Speaker 3: truth about financial advisors seventeen to eleven.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack, Team.

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Speaker 2: News Talks EVY.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen minutes to eleven. Everyone thinks that a financial advisor

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Speaker 3: is a financial advisor, but that is not the case.

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Speaker 3: Ed McKnight, our personal finance expert, is here to shed

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Speaker 3: a bit more light on it this morning.

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Speaker 2: Go to Ed.

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Speaker 3: Great to be here, Jack, Yeah, nice to be chatting

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Speaker 3: with you. So talk us through the different sorts of

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01:09:01,093 --> 01:09:03,893
Speaker 3: financial advisors, because I get really confused with this.

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Speaker 19: Well, there are five main types. I think you're absolutely

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01:09:07,373 --> 01:09:09,933
Speaker 19: right that most people think that a financial advisor does

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01:09:10,053 --> 01:09:12,573
Speaker 19: absolutely everything. But what we see in New Zealand is

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01:09:12,653 --> 01:09:15,533
Speaker 19: that they're all allowed to call themselves financial advisors, and

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Speaker 19: they should. But typically they'll specialize in one of five things.

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Speaker 19: So you might have investments, which is your key wei saver,

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01:09:22,333 --> 01:09:24,653
Speaker 19: or if you're investing in managed funds or shares or

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01:09:25,013 --> 01:09:27,613
Speaker 19: term deposits, they can help you decide, well what am

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Speaker 19: I going to invest in? And then we've kind of

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01:09:29,813 --> 01:09:32,933
Speaker 19: got the cousin of that, which is property investment advisors.

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Speaker 19: So for the ten to eleven percent of key we

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01:09:35,973 --> 01:09:38,573
Speaker 19: are adults who own property, they can give you some

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Speaker 19: advice around that and then we've got budgeting advisors on

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Speaker 19: top of that. This is a different type. These are

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01:09:44,253 --> 01:09:46,493
Speaker 19: people who look at what you're spending and how much

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01:09:46,613 --> 01:09:50,053
Speaker 19: income is coming in and help you decide, well, how

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Speaker 19: am I going to be better with my money, either

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01:09:52,773 --> 01:09:55,053
Speaker 19: to invest more or maybe pay off some debt if

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Speaker 19: you've got a mortgage, or perhaps even say for that

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Speaker 19: first home. And then we've got even we've got two

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Speaker 19: more check. We've got mortgage advisors who specialize in helping

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Speaker 19: you get a home loan, whether for a pl you

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01:10:06,693 --> 01:10:09,133
Speaker 19: want to live in or for an investment property. And

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01:10:09,253 --> 01:10:12,293
Speaker 19: then we've got insurance advisors as well, which could help

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01:10:12,333 --> 01:10:15,053
Speaker 19: you get with house insurance but also with life insurance

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01:10:15,133 --> 01:10:18,253
Speaker 19: and different things. But each of these five different types

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Speaker 19: of advisors doesn't really stray into each other's lane. They

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Speaker 19: really specialize in that one thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So, depending on their roles and what they're

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01:10:26,853 --> 01:10:30,653
Speaker 3: actually advising on, I suppose they are paid in different ways.

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Speaker 3: But how are financial advisors paid.

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Speaker 19: Well, A lot of people really don't know, and so

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01:10:36,813 --> 01:10:39,493
Speaker 19: they think, oh, financial advisors must be very expensive. But

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01:10:39,693 --> 01:10:42,933
Speaker 19: typically they'll get paid in one of three ways. The

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01:10:43,093 --> 01:10:47,973
Speaker 19: most common, especially for mortgage advisors, insurance advisors and property

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01:10:48,013 --> 01:10:50,693
Speaker 19: investment advisors is through some sort of commission. So if

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01:10:50,773 --> 01:10:54,653
Speaker 19: you go to an insurance advisor and say, cool, I'm

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01:10:54,693 --> 01:10:57,253
Speaker 19: thinking about taking out some life insurance or I want

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01:10:57,253 --> 01:11:00,693
Speaker 19: to review what I've currently got, then if they help

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Speaker 19: you buy some insurance through an insurance company, then they're

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Speaker 19: going to get paid a commission. Saying with mortgage advisors,

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Speaker 19: and so sometimes people still ask me, you know, how

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Speaker 19: much does a mortgage advisor cost? And most of the

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01:11:11,493 --> 01:11:14,293
Speaker 19: time it doesn't cost you anything because they're clipping the

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Speaker 19: ticket from the bank and it's not like you're paying

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Speaker 19: a higher interest rate for it. The service effectively feels free.

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Speaker 19: You can also have some people charge fixed fees. That's

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Speaker 19: more common for budgeting advisors, so you might go and

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Speaker 19: talk to them and it might cost two thousand dollars

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01:11:29,613 --> 01:11:32,933
Speaker 19: or so for their advice. But for investment advisers, like

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Speaker 19: if it's your key we savor you're investing in, say

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Speaker 19: managed funds or shares, they might say, okay, you've got

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Speaker 19: one hundred thousand dollars to invest, and they might charge

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01:11:41,773 --> 01:11:43,933
Speaker 19: you a percentage of what you're investing every year, which

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01:11:44,053 --> 01:11:47,613
Speaker 19: might be between zero point five to kind of one percent.

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Speaker 3: Right, okay, oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, which, depending on

1376
01:11:51,373 --> 01:11:54,853
Speaker 3: the services, might be relatively reasonable. What is the one

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01:11:54,973 --> 01:11:57,373
Speaker 3: question you should be asking any advisor though.

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Speaker 19: Well, one of the big things that I encourage people

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01:12:00,293 --> 01:12:02,733
Speaker 19: to ask is well what sort of clients do you

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01:12:02,853 --> 01:12:05,253
Speaker 19: actually work with? And I I mean the thing that

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01:12:05,493 --> 01:12:08,173
Speaker 19: gets really gets up the goat jack, if I could

1382
01:12:08,213 --> 01:12:10,533
Speaker 19: say it is people are not often and financial advisors

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01:12:10,533 --> 01:12:12,853
Speaker 19: are often not very clear about this on their website.

1384
01:12:12,853 --> 01:12:15,493
Speaker 19: I'll tell you one thing that really grinds mcgearz, especially

1385
01:12:15,573 --> 01:12:17,893
Speaker 19: with investment advisors who help you invest in things like

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Speaker 19: like they managed funds and shares.

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Speaker 2: Typically most of them will have some sort of.

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Speaker 19: Minimum that they work with. What I mean by that is,

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Speaker 19: I know of one financial advisor who only works with

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Speaker 19: people who have two million dollars to invest for all

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01:12:31,973 --> 01:12:35,293
Speaker 19: more so, just wild amounts of money, right, And this

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01:12:35,413 --> 01:12:37,493
Speaker 19: is it like money in your house, This is it

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01:12:37,653 --> 01:12:40,733
Speaker 19: like your networth, This is like money to invest And

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Speaker 19: I'm like, but why don't they put it on their

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01:12:42,573 --> 01:12:46,693
Speaker 19: websites they actually know, whereas some other financial advisors will

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Speaker 19: be like, oh cool, I specialize in people who have

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01:12:48,653 --> 01:12:51,053
Speaker 19: fifty thousand dollars in their key we save or more,

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Speaker 19: which is like much more accessible, and some people have

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Speaker 19: no bit of bit at all. So if you've got

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Speaker 19: somebody to invest, one of the questions I always say

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Speaker 19: is ask them if they've got a bit of it

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01:12:59,813 --> 01:13:01,693
Speaker 19: that they tend to work with. And I think the

1403
01:13:01,813 --> 01:13:04,853
Speaker 19: thing that you know only eighteen percent of New Zealanders

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01:13:04,933 --> 01:13:08,013
Speaker 19: use financial advisors, will use to financial advisor over the

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01:13:08,093 --> 01:13:10,213
Speaker 19: last twelve months. I think what if the reasons is

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01:13:10,573 --> 01:13:12,853
Speaker 19: a lot of financial advisers don't make it very clear

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01:13:12,933 --> 01:13:14,933
Speaker 19: about who they tend to work with and what the

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01:13:15,013 --> 01:13:17,253
Speaker 19: process looks like at all of those costs.

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty interesting point. It's kind of like, you know,

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01:13:19,853 --> 01:13:21,413
Speaker 3: when you go into a fancy clothes store and they

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01:13:21,413 --> 01:13:23,933
Speaker 3: don't have prices on anything, that's always an immediate sign

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01:13:23,973 --> 01:13:25,893
Speaker 3: to me that you can't afford the clothes. And maybe

1413
01:13:25,933 --> 01:13:28,213
Speaker 3: that could be the measure for financial advisors as well.

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01:13:28,253 --> 01:13:31,693
Speaker 3: If they don't put a minimum on their website, then sorry,

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01:13:31,853 --> 01:13:34,373
Speaker 3: unless you've got two million dollars, you're probably sniffing up

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Speaker 3: the wrong business. Thanks so much, Ed, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: There's epgnight from Obi's partners with us.

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Speaker 20: This morning.

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01:13:39,653 --> 01:13:42,773
Speaker 3: Right now it's ten to eleven gardening.

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01:13:42,533 --> 01:13:45,413
Speaker 2: With still sharp the charge for life this summer.

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Speaker 3: Rukkime passes our man in the garden. Good morning, sir,

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Speaker 3: A very good morning to you, Jaco.

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Speaker 21: Do you also feed your birds?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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01:13:54,733 --> 01:13:59,013
Speaker 3: I feed my birds, but I pause over summer, so

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01:13:59,253 --> 01:14:00,693
Speaker 3: I feed them through the winter because I'm like, oh,

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01:14:00,733 --> 01:14:02,893
Speaker 3: there's not much food around, you know, and and the

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01:14:03,093 --> 01:14:04,333
Speaker 3: birds got absolutely crazy.

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01:14:04,453 --> 01:14:04,573
Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'll have in my backyard. I have all the all

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01:14:08,453 --> 01:14:10,733
Speaker 3: the wax eyes, the silver eyes of Tohoe as well.

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01:14:11,493 --> 01:14:17,373
Speaker 3: But I have paused since about November. I reckon and

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01:14:17,693 --> 01:14:18,933
Speaker 3: was that the wrong thing to be doing.

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01:14:19,853 --> 01:14:21,893
Speaker 21: No, I'm not saying it's the wrong thing. I've just

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01:14:22,133 --> 01:14:26,333
Speaker 21: realized that you can actually get them to look after

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01:14:26,413 --> 01:14:29,413
Speaker 21: your garden for the next winter, and by doing by

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01:14:29,453 --> 01:14:33,653
Speaker 21: feeding them. Now, that's the interesting thing, because these guys

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01:14:33,733 --> 01:14:37,773
Speaker 21: are really good at getting their you know, knowing who

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01:14:38,053 --> 01:14:40,653
Speaker 21: does the feeding and who doesn't, and that means they

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01:14:40,853 --> 01:14:44,573
Speaker 21: carry that over until well into winter, which is good.

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01:14:45,053 --> 01:14:47,413
Speaker 21: So normally what I used to do is do lard

1442
01:14:47,533 --> 01:14:49,733
Speaker 21: and fatty meat, you know, mad butcher.

1443
01:14:49,493 --> 01:14:52,053
Speaker 2: Type stuff, and they love that.

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01:14:52,333 --> 01:14:54,693
Speaker 21: But what I've noticed now is that if you give

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01:14:54,733 --> 01:14:57,333
Speaker 21: them sugar water on these things, and I put a

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01:14:57,413 --> 01:15:01,093
Speaker 21: little little picture on the website. I'm sure people look

1447
01:15:01,133 --> 01:15:04,213
Speaker 21: after that. If you do that, you'll find that, oh

1448
01:15:04,293 --> 01:15:06,973
Speaker 21: my god, they know they are fel eating is really

1449
01:15:07,133 --> 01:15:10,653
Speaker 21: nice sweet stuff. So you don't have the thousands that

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01:15:10,813 --> 01:15:13,413
Speaker 21: you normally would have in wintertime, but you do have

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01:15:13,613 --> 01:15:17,573
Speaker 21: the locals that are now starting to settle again in

1452
01:15:17,733 --> 01:15:20,733
Speaker 21: our garden, and that's what they will be doing until

1453
01:15:21,013 --> 01:15:24,493
Speaker 21: till until it becomes autumn and winter again.

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01:15:24,533 --> 01:15:28,293
Speaker 3: Because my feet I lean on the sugar water. You know,

1455
01:15:28,373 --> 01:15:31,453
Speaker 3: I got the sugar water, which seems to work super well.

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01:15:32,133 --> 01:15:34,773
Speaker 3: But if you like, you're not building up a reliance

1457
01:15:34,853 --> 01:15:36,933
Speaker 3: on it, right, if they're if they're coming back, I

1458
01:15:37,013 --> 01:15:39,373
Speaker 3: mean presumably that's still yeah, okay.

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01:15:39,533 --> 01:15:41,493
Speaker 2: No, they just they just go like whoa.

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01:15:43,053 --> 01:15:44,573
Speaker 3: My wife is always saying to me that I'm giving

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01:15:44,613 --> 01:15:50,293
Speaker 3: them diabetes's no god, no, no, no, yeah. But I

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01:15:50,373 --> 01:15:52,413
Speaker 3: know exactly. That's what people say about coke, isn't that

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01:15:52,533 --> 01:15:52,693
Speaker 3: you know?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

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01:15:56,413 --> 01:15:58,653
Speaker 21: So so anyway, so the cool thing is now that

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01:15:58,853 --> 01:16:00,893
Speaker 21: there's only and it's not that many, it's two or

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01:16:00,973 --> 01:16:03,693
Speaker 21: three at the time sort of thing. But they all

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01:16:03,853 --> 01:16:05,533
Speaker 21: come and have and they go through and then they

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01:16:05,613 --> 01:16:07,893
Speaker 21: go find something else and they come back again. And

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01:16:08,053 --> 01:16:10,613
Speaker 21: I know who's all because I've banded quite a few

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01:16:10,693 --> 01:16:13,093
Speaker 21: of those silver eyes with rings around them, so I

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01:16:13,213 --> 01:16:13,893
Speaker 21: know they're mine.

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01:16:14,493 --> 01:16:15,373
Speaker 3: How do you catch up?

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01:16:16,773 --> 01:16:19,573
Speaker 21: Oh, with a big net within the missnet? That is

1475
01:16:19,613 --> 01:16:21,773
Speaker 21: not actually I should I should I should do that

1476
01:16:21,853 --> 01:16:25,573
Speaker 21: as a site's side thing at some stage. But anyway,

1477
01:16:25,773 --> 01:16:28,213
Speaker 21: so they come back time and time again. And this

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01:16:28,373 --> 01:16:30,853
Speaker 21: is the cool thing. What happens then is and I've

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01:16:30,933 --> 01:16:33,653
Speaker 21: noticed that before, even when I lived in Auckland, that

1480
01:16:33,853 --> 01:16:37,133
Speaker 21: once they know where you live, they come and go

1481
01:16:37,573 --> 01:16:40,653
Speaker 21: through your garden and then they pick up the following

1482
01:16:40,813 --> 01:16:47,053
Speaker 21: things aphorts, caterpillars, mealy bugs, scale in sects, all the

1483
01:16:47,173 --> 01:16:51,333
Speaker 21: stuff you don't want in your garden, right o. That

1484
01:16:51,533 --> 01:16:54,853
Speaker 21: and that really gives them a good going here. No,

1485
01:16:55,293 --> 01:16:57,813
Speaker 21: and that's not that's not all again. I've got some

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01:16:57,893 --> 01:17:00,373
Speaker 21: photo of that as well. You know, within a day

1487
01:17:00,493 --> 01:17:02,853
Speaker 21: they've got half of them gone boom, just like that.

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01:17:03,293 --> 01:17:07,173
Speaker 21: And that happens specifically in autumn and in winter time.

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01:17:07,773 --> 01:17:10,493
Speaker 21: But there's another thing. I've also noticed that, for instance,

1490
01:17:10,573 --> 01:17:13,813
Speaker 21: stylinks do the same on my lawn because they go

1491
01:17:14,053 --> 01:17:18,173
Speaker 21: for a perennial ryegrass food called Perrhina moth, which most

1492
01:17:18,293 --> 01:17:22,013
Speaker 21: people really hate as farmers, but boy, they do the

1493
01:17:22,093 --> 01:17:23,733
Speaker 21: best job in the world.

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01:17:24,093 --> 01:17:28,133
Speaker 3: Keep them going very good. Okay, thanks, thanks, Yeah, have

1495
01:17:28,213 --> 01:17:30,293
Speaker 3: a good weekend, sir. We will catch you again very soon.

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01:17:30,373 --> 01:17:33,693
Speaker 3: Rue Clipas and the garden for us this morning. I've

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Speaker 3: just finished up when my first tomato plants has done

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Speaker 3: for the year. It just feels crazy, right, Well, we've

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Speaker 3: believing here the summer. Anyway. After eleven o'clock on Newstalks 'DB,

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a look at the Splow Festival's

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01:17:46,053 --> 01:17:49,213
Speaker 3: last hurrah. I've got a new Greg Herbertz book, a

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01:17:49,293 --> 01:17:51,893
Speaker 3: new Orphan X book to tell you about this morning

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01:17:51,933 --> 01:17:54,653
Speaker 3: as well. He churns those out, but there's such good reads.

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01:17:55,173 --> 01:17:58,453
Speaker 3: And as well as that, we are getting some online

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01:17:58,613 --> 01:18:02,613
Speaker 3: dating tips in the modern age from our clinical psychologists

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01:18:02,653 --> 01:18:04,773
Speaker 3: this morning. It'll be interesting. News is next. It's almost

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01:18:04,773 --> 01:18:06,253
Speaker 3: eleven on Newstalk Z'DB.

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01:18:09,213 --> 01:18:13,013
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack tam keeping the conversation going through

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01:18:13,093 --> 01:18:14,693
Speaker 1: the weekend US Talks ed B.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the New Zealand You were Jack Tame this Saturday

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01:18:42,213 --> 01:18:45,853
Speaker 3: morning on news Talks edb. I've seen it on again.

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Speaker 3: Fine margins, precarity. They are the kind of things that

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01:18:49,973 --> 01:18:52,733
Speaker 3: seem to define so many of the Winter Olympic sports. Well,

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01:18:52,773 --> 01:18:55,773
Speaker 3: the fine margins, I suppose define curling. I was thinking,

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01:18:56,053 --> 01:18:58,893
Speaker 3: what sports aren't defined by fine margins? Fine margins absolutely

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01:18:58,933 --> 01:19:03,573
Speaker 3: defined by define the curling, but maybe not not precarity

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01:19:03,653 --> 01:19:06,333
Speaker 3: in the same sense as some of the bigger competition.

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01:19:07,933 --> 01:19:10,333
Speaker 3: But just to add to the or just to emphasize

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01:19:10,373 --> 01:19:14,093
Speaker 3: the point, perhaps about just how hard these athletes are

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01:19:14,133 --> 01:19:17,453
Speaker 3: pushing it in the Winter Games, and just how wrong

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01:19:17,693 --> 01:19:19,653
Speaker 3: things can go when they do go wrong. Not only

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01:19:19,733 --> 01:19:22,293
Speaker 3: have you had for melvil lives and his accident overnight,

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01:19:22,333 --> 01:19:25,173
Speaker 3: although fortunately it sounds like he's doing pretty well, or

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01:19:25,173 --> 01:19:28,413
Speaker 3: about as well as could be hoped after his experience

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01:19:28,453 --> 01:19:31,813
Speaker 3: in the half pipe overnight, there's been this incident with

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01:19:31,933 --> 01:19:35,373
Speaker 3: a Polish skater and the short track speed skating got

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01:19:35,453 --> 01:19:38,533
Speaker 3: this cut above her eye. She was hit by the

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Speaker 3: blade of one of the other competitors. It was pretty gnarly,

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01:19:41,733 --> 01:19:46,453
Speaker 3: so absolutely hurtling round the track in the fifteen hundred

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Speaker 3: meters in the Milan Cortena short track competition and she

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01:19:51,333 --> 01:19:54,493
Speaker 3: went down. There was another another speed skater who went

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01:19:54,533 --> 01:19:57,373
Speaker 3: down as well. But of course their blades are incredibly sharp,

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01:19:57,413 --> 01:19:59,213
Speaker 3: and so she got nick They weir glasses, but she

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01:19:59,293 --> 01:20:02,373
Speaker 3: got nicked just above the eye and she had to

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Speaker 3: be stretchered off. Fortunately, it sounds like she's okay. She

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01:20:05,693 --> 01:20:08,133
Speaker 3: got a whole lot of ditches above her eye after

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01:20:08,253 --> 01:20:10,253
Speaker 3: she'd been stretched off, but there was all this blood

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01:20:10,373 --> 01:20:12,293
Speaker 3: on the ice. Like the whole thing is pretty gnarly

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01:20:12,413 --> 01:20:15,413
Speaker 3: and just a reminder of just how hard these athletes

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01:20:15,453 --> 01:20:18,573
Speaker 3: are putting pushing it, and just how wrong things can

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01:20:18,653 --> 01:20:21,013
Speaker 3: go when they do go wrong in the games. Fortunately,

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01:20:21,053 --> 01:20:23,093
Speaker 3: though she does sound like she's okay. I think we're

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01:20:23,093 --> 01:20:25,413
Speaker 3: only what forty eight hours away from the closing ceremony

1544
01:20:25,493 --> 01:20:29,013
Speaker 3: at the Winter Olympic Game, so accompetitions starting to wrap

1545
01:20:29,173 --> 01:20:32,573
Speaker 3: up in Italy over the next day or two. We're

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01:20:32,613 --> 01:20:36,973
Speaker 3: going to ask our sporto Jason Pine before about that

1547
01:20:37,053 --> 01:20:39,573
Speaker 3: before mid day today he's on weekend support this afternoon

1548
01:20:39,653 --> 01:20:42,813
Speaker 3: as well as that before midday, our music reviewer is

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01:20:42,933 --> 01:20:46,853
Speaker 3: going to consider the legacy of Splore. It is a

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01:20:47,053 --> 01:20:52,573
Speaker 3: remarkable and unique festival at Papacanga Regional Park to south

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01:20:52,653 --> 01:20:55,933
Speaker 3: of Auckland. It's very much alternative. I think it's fair

1552
01:20:55,973 --> 01:21:00,093
Speaker 3: to say it's a family friendly festival. It goes for

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01:21:00,093 --> 01:21:02,613
Speaker 3: a couple of days every summer, this time every year,

1554
01:21:02,693 --> 01:21:04,853
Speaker 3: but it won't be continuing after twenty twenty six. This

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01:21:05,013 --> 01:21:08,253
Speaker 3: is the very last explore, so our music reviewer is

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01:21:08,333 --> 01:21:10,893
Speaker 3: going to reflect on that when he joins us this

1557
01:21:11,013 --> 01:21:14,173
Speaker 3: morning right now, though it is nine minutes past eleven,

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01:21:14,613 --> 01:21:17,893
Speaker 3: Jack dam and Valentine's Day might have passed for twenty

1559
01:21:17,973 --> 01:21:23,093
Speaker 3: twenty six, but clinical psychologist Doogle Sutherland is always thinking

1560
01:21:23,173 --> 01:21:26,053
Speaker 3: about love, and he's with us this morning with him

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01:21:26,093 --> 01:21:26,653
Speaker 3: dating advice.

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Speaker 7: Do Yeah, Cira Jack. I thought I could rename myself

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01:21:30,373 --> 01:21:33,493
Speaker 7: for today's slot is docr mclovem, so that.

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01:21:33,573 --> 01:21:35,413
Speaker 3: You know, I could give out don't just need it

1565
01:21:35,573 --> 01:21:38,133
Speaker 3: today's slot doggle You know that?

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01:21:38,213 --> 01:21:41,853
Speaker 7: Could yeah consider a complete land change, really couldn't. I

1567
01:21:42,253 --> 01:21:44,773
Speaker 7: I was interested in this area of kind of online

1568
01:21:45,653 --> 01:21:47,973
Speaker 7: dating and meeting because I don't know about you, but

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01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:51,773
Speaker 7: I've met a number of couples recently, just not not professionally,

1570
01:21:51,813 --> 01:21:55,613
Speaker 7: just personally. You know who you know, we've known one

1571
01:21:55,653 --> 01:21:57,253
Speaker 7: of the one of the two or one of the

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01:21:57,333 --> 01:21:59,293
Speaker 7: peer and they've broken up and got into a new

1573
01:21:59,333 --> 01:22:01,053
Speaker 7: relationship and you go, how did you guys meet in

1574
01:22:01,093 --> 01:22:05,333
Speaker 7: this new relationship and they slightly sheepishly say, oh, yeah,

1575
01:22:05,373 --> 01:22:10,013
Speaker 7: we kind of meet online. And it's like it's I think, Look,

1576
01:22:10,053 --> 01:22:13,293
Speaker 7: I think it's good because you know, if you think

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01:22:13,333 --> 01:22:15,933
Speaker 7: about it, if you're just sort of been in a

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01:22:16,013 --> 01:22:18,013
Speaker 7: job for a while and you know, been in sort

1579
01:22:18,013 --> 01:22:20,413
Speaker 7: of your local community for a while, and you haven't

1580
01:22:20,453 --> 01:22:24,053
Speaker 7: met anybody, it's like, well, how do I actually meet somebody?

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01:22:25,253 --> 01:22:27,773
Speaker 7: So I think it's I think it's obviously it's got

1582
01:22:27,813 --> 01:22:30,333
Speaker 7: its very dark side and downfalls, but I think it

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01:22:30,373 --> 01:22:32,573
Speaker 7: can be a really great thing. So I was interested

1584
01:22:32,653 --> 01:22:35,693
Speaker 7: to see this new research. So this was this research

1585
01:22:35,813 --> 01:22:39,213
Speaker 7: was about not so much sort of meeting on an

1586
01:22:39,253 --> 01:22:42,013
Speaker 7: online dating app and then going out. This was about

1587
01:22:42,093 --> 01:22:44,253
Speaker 7: having a first date online.

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01:22:44,333 --> 01:22:47,973
Speaker 3: You know, so I first, Wow, like a literal online

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01:22:48,293 --> 01:22:52,933
Speaker 3: dat like a literal online online? You are having a

1590
01:22:53,053 --> 01:22:53,853
Speaker 3: date online?

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01:22:54,413 --> 01:22:57,693
Speaker 7: This? Yeah, so this is it. We've got our first date.

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01:22:58,093 --> 01:23:00,533
Speaker 7: And you know, you could conceive of something like that. Hey,

1593
01:23:00,573 --> 01:23:04,693
Speaker 7: it's like I'm in Auckland, you're in Wellington, and you know,

1594
01:23:06,493 --> 01:23:08,413
Speaker 7: neither of us have got the time, the or the

1595
01:23:08,853 --> 01:23:12,093
Speaker 7: or the funds to travel. So let's let let's have

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01:23:12,253 --> 01:23:16,573
Speaker 7: this first and quote date, you know, online, and and

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01:23:17,093 --> 01:23:21,573
Speaker 7: they surveyed people, and this would reflect my kind of

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01:23:22,053 --> 01:23:24,253
Speaker 7: what I would have thought going in. They surveyed people,

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01:23:24,293 --> 01:23:28,613
Speaker 7: and they found that people thought that an online first date,

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01:23:28,693 --> 01:23:30,773
Speaker 7: compared to an in person first date, it would be shorter,

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01:23:31,653 --> 01:23:35,133
Speaker 7: less enjoyable, people would feel less attracted to one another

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01:23:35,253 --> 01:23:37,933
Speaker 7: and much less chance of a second date. And I

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01:23:38,093 --> 01:23:39,133
Speaker 7: kind of went, yeah, yeah.

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01:23:38,973 --> 01:23:40,053
Speaker 3: That's that's what it makes sense to.

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01:23:40,253 --> 01:23:40,413
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:23:40,453 --> 01:23:43,493
Speaker 7: Yeah, So then they they actually then they looked at

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01:23:43,653 --> 01:23:47,733
Speaker 7: people who had an online date first date versus people

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01:23:47,773 --> 01:23:51,733
Speaker 7: that hadn't in person first date, and that, you know,

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01:23:51,773 --> 01:23:55,613
Speaker 7: the first prediction was right. Indeed that then online first

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01:23:55,693 --> 01:23:57,973
Speaker 7: date was indeed tended to be shorter, sort of an

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01:23:58,013 --> 01:24:00,293
Speaker 7: hour an hour and a bit compared to a couple

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01:24:00,293 --> 01:24:02,293
Speaker 7: of hours or three hours if you were in person.

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01:24:02,733 --> 01:24:06,573
Speaker 7: But apart from that, there was actually no real, no

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01:24:06,973 --> 01:24:11,533
Speaker 7: real big difference, and so people rated it just as enjoyable.

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01:24:12,573 --> 01:24:14,493
Speaker 7: They said that they felt just you know, there was

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01:24:14,533 --> 01:24:16,893
Speaker 7: no kind of difference in levels of attraction depending on

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01:24:17,213 --> 01:24:19,733
Speaker 7: whether you were online or in person. And there was

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01:24:19,773 --> 01:24:22,333
Speaker 7: a slight chance, not a massive one, but a slight

1619
01:24:22,453 --> 01:24:25,653
Speaker 7: chance that actually if you met online, and an online

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01:24:25,693 --> 01:24:28,013
Speaker 7: first date, you are more likely to go on a

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01:24:28,053 --> 01:24:29,453
Speaker 7: second date than if you met in person.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised by that result.

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01:24:32,773 --> 01:24:36,093
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, me too. I was like, dw gosh,

1624
01:24:36,173 --> 01:24:39,813
Speaker 7: it's like, really is that? But yeah, so yeah, so

1625
01:24:40,213 --> 01:24:41,973
Speaker 7: that was interesting and then I thought, well, you know

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01:24:42,133 --> 01:24:45,533
Speaker 7: what it was. I was reading another story not long

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01:24:45,573 --> 01:24:47,573
Speaker 7: after that that talked about you know, how can you

1628
01:24:47,733 --> 01:24:51,173
Speaker 7: tell if somebody is really interested in you? So well,

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01:24:51,213 --> 01:24:54,813
Speaker 7: that'll be relevant for a first date. I mean, this

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01:24:54,973 --> 01:24:58,173
Speaker 7: is relevant. This sort of this is like a micro's

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01:24:58,213 --> 01:25:00,733
Speaker 7: skill or sort of you know what you might crudely

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01:25:00,773 --> 01:25:03,293
Speaker 7: call sort of body language, but we don't call a

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01:25:03,333 --> 01:25:05,453
Speaker 7: body language you've got a psychology because it sounds a

1634
01:25:05,453 --> 01:25:10,493
Speaker 7: bit flasher. But you know, so, one of the sort

1635
01:25:10,493 --> 01:25:12,533
Speaker 7: of micro skills that you can look forward to see

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01:25:12,573 --> 01:25:16,933
Speaker 7: if people are interested is when you are talking to them,

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01:25:17,213 --> 01:25:21,813
Speaker 7: how much are they blinking? And if they are not

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01:25:22,133 --> 01:25:25,853
Speaker 7: blinking very much at all, it suggests that they are

1639
01:25:25,973 --> 01:25:29,813
Speaker 7: probably quite interested in what you were saying to you.

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01:25:30,413 --> 01:25:33,013
Speaker 7: And if they're doing lots of obviously, if they're looking away,

1641
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:35,053
Speaker 7: that's a dead give way. But if they're looking at

1642
01:25:35,093 --> 01:25:38,133
Speaker 7: you but doing lots of blinking, they're probably not as

1643
01:25:38,253 --> 01:25:40,733
Speaker 7: interested in you as if they are compared to if

1644
01:25:40,733 --> 01:25:43,653
Speaker 7: they weren't doing a lot of blinking. And so that's

1645
01:25:43,693 --> 01:25:46,573
Speaker 7: a nice little tip to look out. You know, everybody

1646
01:25:46,653 --> 01:25:50,453
Speaker 7: be staring intently into each other's eyes. Are you really blinking?

1647
01:25:50,533 --> 01:25:53,613
Speaker 7: How much do you blink? Anyway, But it's apparently quite

1648
01:25:53,653 --> 01:25:56,933
Speaker 7: a good indicator of how much interest there is in

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01:25:57,053 --> 01:25:57,573
Speaker 7: the other person.

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01:25:57,733 --> 01:26:01,653
Speaker 3: See that's funny because I always thought that the more

1651
01:26:01,813 --> 01:26:04,533
Speaker 3: you blink, the more nervous you are as well.

1652
01:26:05,933 --> 01:26:08,933
Speaker 7: Look, that's that's a potential confound and I think they

1653
01:26:09,013 --> 01:26:15,733
Speaker 7: controlled for that. The idea here is that blinking interrupts

1654
01:26:16,173 --> 01:26:19,973
Speaker 7: the flow of information into our brain. So when you

1655
01:26:20,133 --> 01:26:26,013
Speaker 7: are intently interested in something or someone, you tend to,

1656
01:26:26,653 --> 01:26:29,973
Speaker 7: perhaps without awenness, suppress the amount of blinking that you do.

1657
01:26:30,373 --> 01:26:35,213
Speaker 7: You know, it's almost like a concentration, and your level

1658
01:26:35,293 --> 01:26:37,613
Speaker 7: of blinking reduces because every time you blink, it sort

1659
01:26:37,613 --> 01:26:41,813
Speaker 7: of disrupts information flow into the brain. So less blinking

1660
01:26:41,893 --> 01:26:44,733
Speaker 7: means there's more information coming you're absorbing at your intent.

1661
01:26:45,173 --> 01:26:47,653
Speaker 7: And it's probably not a it's not a deliberate act

1662
01:26:48,413 --> 01:26:51,693
Speaker 7: in many times, but and of course you have to

1663
01:26:51,933 --> 01:26:55,013
Speaker 7: especially dating. You have to take into account the fact

1664
01:26:55,053 --> 01:26:57,693
Speaker 7: that people are a bit nervous and you know, it's

1665
01:26:57,773 --> 01:27:00,013
Speaker 7: difficult holding eye contact and what do they mean by this?

1666
01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:03,333
Speaker 7: But in general, yeah, the less people blink, the more

1667
01:27:03,373 --> 01:27:06,293
Speaker 7: interested they are in the speaker and what the persons say.

1668
01:27:06,493 --> 01:27:08,573
Speaker 7: So that you know, if you're having an online date

1669
01:27:08,693 --> 01:27:11,173
Speaker 7: or an in person date, we're just having conversations with something,

1670
01:27:12,013 --> 01:27:14,173
Speaker 7: watch out for look at their blink rate. I mean,

1671
01:27:14,213 --> 01:27:16,493
Speaker 7: you need to get a baseline, but yeah, you know,

1672
01:27:16,653 --> 01:27:18,333
Speaker 7: but but yeah, watch out for their blink rate. If

1673
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:20,733
Speaker 7: they're continually blinking, they might you might you might want

1674
01:27:20,733 --> 01:27:23,573
Speaker 7: to be quiet and yeah, and spin in the conversation

1675
01:27:23,693 --> 01:27:24,133
Speaker 7: back to them.

1676
01:27:24,613 --> 01:27:27,693
Speaker 3: That's very, very interesting. So okay, there's a two fascinating

1677
01:27:27,693 --> 01:27:30,013
Speaker 3: little piece of advice. It's been a long time since

1678
01:27:30,093 --> 01:27:33,653
Speaker 3: I was on the app. Yeah, and when I was

1679
01:27:33,693 --> 01:27:36,613
Speaker 3: on and when I was doing that, we we Because

1680
01:27:36,613 --> 01:27:38,573
Speaker 3: first of all, I think I feel like the stigma

1681
01:27:38,613 --> 01:27:41,173
Speaker 3: about kind of meeting online is just totally you know,

1682
01:27:41,413 --> 01:27:43,333
Speaker 3: there was maybe a stigma in like two thousand and one,

1683
01:27:43,493 --> 01:27:46,453
Speaker 3: but these days it's a very rational and sensible way

1684
01:27:46,533 --> 01:27:50,813
Speaker 3: for people to agree. But I don't recall anyone ever

1685
01:27:50,893 --> 01:27:57,693
Speaker 3: saying let's have a chat online zoom or yeah, being

1686
01:27:57,733 --> 01:27:59,053
Speaker 3: a thing, but maybe that's a bit more of a

1687
01:27:59,093 --> 01:27:59,813
Speaker 3: phenomenon now.

1688
01:28:00,693 --> 01:28:04,093
Speaker 7: Well, you know, if you think about geographical distance, like

1689
01:28:04,213 --> 01:28:06,413
Speaker 7: if you're if you're if you're doing dating apps and

1690
01:28:06,493 --> 01:28:10,373
Speaker 7: you know, you meet something, I mean, yeah, that's right.

1691
01:28:10,853 --> 01:28:13,333
Speaker 7: Somebody's in Auckland, somebody's in Dunedin. Well, am I really

1692
01:28:13,373 --> 01:28:15,813
Speaker 7: going to fork out? You know, you know, several hundred

1693
01:28:15,893 --> 01:28:18,133
Speaker 7: bucks you know for a for a plane flight and

1694
01:28:18,173 --> 01:28:19,333
Speaker 7: then accommodation, and.

1695
01:28:20,333 --> 01:28:22,493
Speaker 3: If you're doing a long distance thing. Absolutely, But it's

1696
01:28:22,533 --> 01:28:24,093
Speaker 3: more the thing I'm thinking about is like if you're

1697
01:28:24,093 --> 01:28:27,293
Speaker 3: in the same city and you're you know, because and

1698
01:28:27,733 --> 01:28:30,093
Speaker 3: I feel like meeting in person. I mean, obviously you're

1699
01:28:30,093 --> 01:28:31,853
Speaker 3: gonna want to meet and person at some point, but

1700
01:28:32,293 --> 01:28:34,133
Speaker 3: the good thing about meeting in person is I feel

1701
01:28:34,173 --> 01:28:36,773
Speaker 3: like I would be leaning on a lot of the

1702
01:28:37,413 --> 01:28:41,093
Speaker 3: physical surroundings for the small talk kicking things off. Have

1703
01:28:41,213 --> 01:28:43,253
Speaker 3: you been here before? Yeah, they've got a thing here.

1704
01:28:43,333 --> 01:28:46,213
Speaker 3: Yeah I was one, you know, like you I kind

1705
01:28:46,253 --> 01:28:48,293
Speaker 3: of lam that. And if it's just you and someone

1706
01:28:48,453 --> 01:28:51,333
Speaker 3: on zoom, all of a sudden you got a nice,

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01:28:51,773 --> 01:28:52,893
Speaker 3: nice up there.

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01:28:54,173 --> 01:28:54,893
Speaker 7: It's all on blur.

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01:28:55,013 --> 01:28:55,493
Speaker 4: I can't see.

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01:28:55,733 --> 01:28:56,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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01:28:57,413 --> 01:28:57,613
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:28:57,973 --> 01:28:59,893
Speaker 7: I wonder if that's though, why they're a bit shorter,

1713
01:29:00,093 --> 01:29:03,173
Speaker 7: you know, because there's absolutely as much of that small talk.

1714
01:29:03,253 --> 01:29:05,693
Speaker 7: But because and again that's why I think the result

1715
01:29:05,773 --> 01:29:07,893
Speaker 7: was quite interesting, because it was like, surely it won't

1716
01:29:07,933 --> 01:29:09,773
Speaker 7: be as good and people ain't have a second day. No,

1717
01:29:09,973 --> 01:29:12,253
Speaker 7: it wasn't wasn't wasn't true at all. People were just

1718
01:29:12,333 --> 01:29:14,093
Speaker 7: as like, if not slightly more likely to have a

1719
01:29:14,453 --> 01:29:16,373
Speaker 7: second day, and the second date might have been in person.

1720
01:29:16,693 --> 01:29:18,413
Speaker 7: It's quite good probably if you're if you're a bit

1721
01:29:18,493 --> 01:29:20,773
Speaker 7: socially anxious too, you know that you've got a bit

1722
01:29:20,813 --> 01:29:22,293
Speaker 7: more control over your environment.

1723
01:29:23,053 --> 01:29:24,293
Speaker 3: You could even see later.

1724
01:29:24,453 --> 01:29:29,453
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, ok, the connection my wife I was going down. Sorry, yeah,

1725
01:29:29,533 --> 01:29:32,053
Speaker 7: but so let you know that's great use of technology.

1726
01:29:32,093 --> 01:29:34,613
Speaker 3: Maybe very nice. Hey, thank you so much, really good

1727
01:29:34,613 --> 01:29:37,573
Speaker 3: to chat. Google as always Google Southeran from Umbrella Wellbeing

1728
01:29:37,773 --> 01:29:40,173
Speaker 3: or what do they call doctor Love? He callt himself

1729
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Speaker 3: this one. Put that on a business card Google before

1730
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Speaker 3: before midday on news Talks here, we've got your book

1731
01:29:48,973 --> 01:29:52,693
Speaker 3: picks for this week. Uthan X is the amazing series

1732
01:29:52,733 --> 01:29:54,853
Speaker 3: from author Grieg who we've talked about him before. We've

1733
01:29:54,853 --> 01:29:57,893
Speaker 3: talked about his books before. The very latest authan X

1734
01:29:59,853 --> 01:30:01,813
Speaker 3: edition is out now, so we've got a few more

1735
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Speaker 3: details on that to shoot with you very shortly. Right now,

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01:30:04,373 --> 01:30:05,853
Speaker 3: it is eighteen past eleven.

1737
01:30:07,173 --> 01:30:10,693
Speaker 2: Travel with Wendy Woo Tours Where the World is Yours.

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01:30:10,573 --> 01:30:14,333
Speaker 3: For Giral Mike Gardy is our travel corresponding morning.

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01:30:15,213 --> 01:30:16,053
Speaker 7: Good morning Jack.

1740
01:30:16,413 --> 01:30:17,693
Speaker 22: It's all happening in Hamilton.

1741
01:30:17,933 --> 01:30:20,253
Speaker 3: It is always all happening in Hamilton. It actually is

1742
01:30:20,293 --> 01:30:21,973
Speaker 3: all happening in Hamilton at the moment because the arts

1743
01:30:22,013 --> 01:30:22,733
Speaker 3: festivals just going.

1744
01:30:24,333 --> 01:30:24,813
Speaker 2: That's right.

1745
01:30:24,973 --> 01:30:27,413
Speaker 22: Yes, I was just thinking about Spore, which we will

1746
01:30:27,493 --> 01:30:29,853
Speaker 22: be discussing later this out, but I'd had to say

1747
01:30:29,893 --> 01:30:33,653
Speaker 22: the Hamilton Arts Festival has actually cultivated a very strong reputation.

1748
01:30:33,973 --> 01:30:37,853
Speaker 22: So it kicked off yesterday ten days of spectacles and performances.

1749
01:30:38,493 --> 01:30:40,373
Speaker 22: I was in the tron last week and there's a

1750
01:30:40,533 --> 01:30:43,613
Speaker 22: real spring in the step on the streets of Hamilton,

1751
01:30:43,733 --> 01:30:47,293
Speaker 22: and I think it's just that artsy cret just keeps

1752
01:30:47,453 --> 01:30:50,573
Speaker 22: ramping up. For example, the b n Z Theatter at

1753
01:30:50,573 --> 01:30:54,013
Speaker 22: the City's Grand Stage open just a few weeks ago,

1754
01:30:54,053 --> 01:30:56,333
Speaker 22: and you'll recall all of the hohoha over the demolition

1755
01:30:56,453 --> 01:31:00,893
Speaker 22: of the Founder's theater, So this new performance space is

1756
01:31:01,053 --> 01:31:03,813
Speaker 22: very much taking its place, and I've done such an

1757
01:31:03,853 --> 01:31:07,533
Speaker 22: amazing job with it. So it's apped in the century

1758
01:31:07,573 --> 01:31:10,613
Speaker 22: old facade of the Hamilton Hotel and Victoria Street, and

1759
01:31:10,693 --> 01:31:14,293
Speaker 22: then inside they've got this massive three level auditorium. I

1760
01:31:14,333 --> 01:31:18,053
Speaker 22: think it seats thirteen hundred, so it is quite the venue.

1761
01:31:18,653 --> 01:31:21,653
Speaker 22: And if you do go into the theater, something very

1762
01:31:21,733 --> 01:31:25,413
Speaker 22: cooled I've done with the paneling insight the auditorium. It

1763
01:31:25,653 --> 01:31:29,213
Speaker 22: mimics the curvature of the Waycuto River, which is yeah,

1764
01:31:29,373 --> 01:31:31,853
Speaker 22: just brilliant, so definitely worth checking out.

1765
01:31:31,973 --> 01:31:34,813
Speaker 3: Oh very good Hamilton Garden's busy at the moment.

1766
01:31:35,893 --> 01:31:39,253
Speaker 22: Oh my goodness, Jack, it was swarming when I was

1767
01:31:39,293 --> 01:31:44,253
Speaker 22: there last week, internationals galore, stuffing their eyes with wonder

1768
01:31:44,373 --> 01:31:47,093
Speaker 22: And that actually doesn't surprise me because I was thinking

1769
01:31:47,173 --> 01:31:50,493
Speaker 22: about this on a reflective note that if the Hamilton

1770
01:31:50,613 --> 01:31:54,973
Speaker 22: Gardens was located in London or Los Angeles, Yea, or Lisbon,

1771
01:31:55,253 --> 01:31:55,813
Speaker 22: it would.

1772
01:31:55,733 --> 01:31:58,213
Speaker 2: Still just be the blockbuster it is.

1773
01:31:58,333 --> 01:32:01,933
Speaker 22: It is so world class, and I love the fact

1774
01:32:02,053 --> 01:32:03,813
Speaker 22: that you know, when you look at the backstory of

1775
01:32:03,933 --> 01:32:09,733
Speaker 22: that site, it's just deliciously ironic to think this iconic

1776
01:32:09,853 --> 01:32:12,173
Speaker 22: beauty was once the site of the city's rubbish dump.

1777
01:32:12,973 --> 01:32:15,133
Speaker 22: It's quite a transformation, isn't it.

1778
01:32:15,173 --> 01:32:15,373
Speaker 18: Really.

1779
01:32:15,533 --> 01:32:18,173
Speaker 3: It's madness, isn't it madness? And like I said, just

1780
01:32:18,253 --> 01:32:20,693
Speaker 3: going from streets to strength in terms of popularity at

1781
01:32:20,733 --> 01:32:22,733
Speaker 3: the moment. So what's the latest instiment of the gardens.

1782
01:32:23,933 --> 01:32:26,813
Speaker 22: Yeah, well, at the moment there are eighteen enclosed gardens

1783
01:32:26,853 --> 01:32:30,173
Speaker 22: on display. The master plan, which Peter Sergle put in

1784
01:32:30,253 --> 01:32:33,093
Speaker 22: place about forty years ago, was for a total collection

1785
01:32:33,213 --> 01:32:37,253
Speaker 22: of thirty grain designs, and thus sticking with that vision,

1786
01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:40,293
Speaker 22: that is the long term plan. So the next cab

1787
01:32:40,373 --> 01:32:44,813
Speaker 22: off the Rank opens in a couple of months, probably May,

1788
01:32:45,333 --> 01:32:48,653
Speaker 22: and it's the medieval garden. Oh my goodness. I've given

1789
01:32:48,693 --> 01:32:52,853
Speaker 22: a sneak peak of it, and you will feel transported

1790
01:32:52,933 --> 01:32:56,293
Speaker 22: to the cloistered courtyards of the Middle Ages. I have

1791
01:32:56,533 --> 01:33:00,533
Speaker 22: expected to see some monks pass by deep in contemplation.

1792
01:33:01,053 --> 01:33:06,333
Speaker 22: It is just so meticulously done. The architecture is sublime,

1793
01:33:06,773 --> 01:33:09,773
Speaker 22: and there are really fascinating aspects to it, like the

1794
01:33:10,213 --> 01:33:14,973
Speaker 22: Apothecary's garden, which is very much based on the idea

1795
01:33:15,053 --> 01:33:18,173
Speaker 22: of you know, hoopal gardens healing the sick in a

1796
01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:21,613
Speaker 22: monastic hospital back in the day it has dropped dead gorgeous,

1797
01:33:21,653 --> 01:33:22,533
Speaker 22: it will be a huge hit.

1798
01:33:22,653 --> 01:33:24,853
Speaker 3: Yes, I looked this up because I wanted to get

1799
01:33:24,853 --> 01:33:26,333
Speaker 3: a bit of a steer on what it's going to

1800
01:33:26,373 --> 01:33:28,693
Speaker 3: look like. Apparently it's based on a monastery in Sicily.

1801
01:33:29,173 --> 01:33:30,453
Speaker 2: The new media.

1802
01:33:30,933 --> 01:33:34,053
Speaker 3: How extrawdinary. I just love it, you know, Yeah, like

1803
01:33:34,173 --> 01:33:36,933
Speaker 3: you says world class, it really is.

1804
01:33:37,173 --> 01:33:37,373
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1805
01:33:37,613 --> 01:33:39,733
Speaker 3: So as a guided tour of the gardens, worth it

1806
01:33:39,773 --> 01:33:40,213
Speaker 3: in your view?

1807
01:33:41,373 --> 01:33:41,573
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1808
01:33:41,653 --> 01:33:45,293
Speaker 22: Good question, Jack, because previously I had just footloosed it

1809
01:33:45,453 --> 01:33:49,093
Speaker 22: fuss free. Last week I teamed up with the guide

1810
01:33:49,213 --> 01:33:53,133
Speaker 22: and I actually felt like a total schmuck afterwards, because

1811
01:33:53,893 --> 01:33:58,893
Speaker 22: without a guide you will miss so much wizardry. You know,

1812
01:33:59,133 --> 01:34:01,573
Speaker 22: you need that guiding hand just to point out the

1813
01:34:01,693 --> 01:34:06,293
Speaker 22: subtle touches, the hidden secrets, And all of these gardens

1814
01:34:06,453 --> 01:34:11,973
Speaker 22: are like a window in time, marking major eras and

1815
01:34:12,453 --> 01:34:16,133
Speaker 22: empires and human civilization. Like, for example, in the Indian

1816
01:34:16,653 --> 01:34:20,973
Speaker 22: Chabah Garden, it resembles a giant Persian carpet, and I

1817
01:34:21,093 --> 01:34:24,493
Speaker 22: hadn't really actually previously appreciated that. So it's loaded with

1818
01:34:25,053 --> 01:34:28,373
Speaker 22: four thousand colorful plants. They changed them out three times

1819
01:34:28,413 --> 01:34:30,773
Speaker 22: a year. That's a lot of plants. But the whole

1820
01:34:30,893 --> 01:34:33,693
Speaker 22: thing resembles a Persian carpet, and that is a tribute

1821
01:34:34,093 --> 01:34:37,773
Speaker 22: to the Mogul Empire and the ancient egypt Temple Garden,

1822
01:34:37,813 --> 01:34:40,693
Speaker 22: which opened a few years ago. That's another personal favor

1823
01:34:40,733 --> 01:34:43,893
Speaker 22: of mine. So much thought was put into it. There

1824
01:34:43,973 --> 01:34:47,773
Speaker 22: is nothing quite like this outside of Egypt. And I

1825
01:34:47,893 --> 01:34:51,173
Speaker 22: love how you see papyrus growing in the sprawling lily

1826
01:34:51,293 --> 01:34:54,653
Speaker 22: pond and Hamilton gardens. You know, it's just really cool.

1827
01:34:54,773 --> 01:34:57,573
Speaker 3: Yes, that straordinary, isn't it. And the street of Gray

1828
01:34:57,653 --> 01:34:59,373
Speaker 3: Streets really handy to her garden, though.

1829
01:35:00,333 --> 01:35:02,813
Speaker 22: Yes, I was rather peckish after the garden here so

1830
01:35:03,893 --> 01:35:06,773
Speaker 22: very handily located Gray Street just a few one hundred

1831
01:35:06,813 --> 01:35:11,933
Speaker 22: meters away, teaming with temptations, and just two years ago,

1832
01:35:12,693 --> 01:35:16,173
Speaker 22: in the thick of the action made Mark Made Market

1833
01:35:16,373 --> 01:35:21,013
Speaker 22: opened and this is such an awesome multi story foodhol

1834
01:35:21,213 --> 01:35:24,053
Speaker 22: and retail emporium. I actually thought, oh, there's a bit

1835
01:35:24,093 --> 01:35:29,293
Speaker 22: of christ Church Riverside Market to this. So many goodies,

1836
01:35:29,533 --> 01:35:33,853
Speaker 22: and I would suggest you don't go past pasta Paradiso

1837
01:35:33,973 --> 01:35:38,013
Speaker 22: for the panzerotti and profit roles very good. I had

1838
01:35:38,093 --> 01:35:40,213
Speaker 22: you on my mind in Gray Street, Jack, because I

1839
01:35:40,293 --> 01:35:44,613
Speaker 22: had to make a stop at Duck Island's flagship ice

1840
01:35:44,733 --> 01:35:48,013
Speaker 22: cream parlor. This is the original or wykdo' heroo for

1841
01:35:48,133 --> 01:35:52,133
Speaker 22: ten years and very into seasonality with their flavors, so

1842
01:35:52,853 --> 01:35:56,093
Speaker 22: a very popular seller which I had to sample white chocolate,

1843
01:35:56,333 --> 01:35:58,453
Speaker 22: macadamia and pomer granite.

1844
01:35:59,813 --> 01:36:02,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go for that. Do you do you do

1845
01:36:02,453 --> 01:36:05,053
Speaker 3: the samples beforehand or do you just go straight from them?

1846
01:36:05,653 --> 01:36:05,693
Speaker 13: No?

1847
01:36:05,893 --> 01:36:08,333
Speaker 2: I'm very very curious about some players.

1848
01:36:08,573 --> 01:36:10,413
Speaker 22: Yes, and I'm very generous at Duck Island.

1849
01:36:10,613 --> 01:36:12,853
Speaker 3: They are I think, Yeah, I just commit. I just

1850
01:36:12,893 --> 01:36:14,653
Speaker 3: feel like I know it in my bones, you know.

1851
01:36:14,773 --> 01:36:17,093
Speaker 3: I feel like I know ice cream so well. I

1852
01:36:17,333 --> 01:36:19,573
Speaker 3: love Duck Island ice cream that I can just say,

1853
01:36:19,613 --> 01:36:20,893
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to go for that. And

1854
01:36:21,253 --> 01:36:23,613
Speaker 3: I mean truth be told. You can't read it, just

1855
01:36:23,733 --> 01:36:24,773
Speaker 3: go wrong, can you?

1856
01:36:25,933 --> 01:36:26,493
Speaker 7: This is true?

1857
01:36:26,613 --> 01:36:28,253
Speaker 22: I mean they actually put a lot of food into

1858
01:36:28,333 --> 01:36:29,773
Speaker 22: all of their different flavors, don't they.

1859
01:36:29,893 --> 01:36:33,853
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's not like toe fungus, and you know,

1860
01:36:34,053 --> 01:36:37,173
Speaker 3: it's like they're pretty safe when it comes to the flavors.

1861
01:36:38,413 --> 01:36:41,053
Speaker 3: Is the river Ride trail worth hiring a bike for?

1862
01:36:41,173 --> 01:36:41,613
Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

1863
01:36:42,533 --> 01:36:42,733
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1864
01:36:42,853 --> 01:36:45,293
Speaker 22: Definitely, Jack so to Our river Ride was one of

1865
01:36:45,333 --> 01:36:49,533
Speaker 22: the John Key originals and it has steadily extended as

1866
01:36:49,573 --> 01:36:53,333
Speaker 22: far as Cuta Piedo. Apparently it's the longest concrete cycle

1867
01:36:53,413 --> 01:36:55,973
Speaker 22: trailer in New Zealand. And if you just want to

1868
01:36:56,013 --> 01:36:57,573
Speaker 22: we taste it, maybe you're a bit time poor for

1869
01:36:57,653 --> 01:37:02,413
Speaker 22: a great We tasted Hamilton Gardens to Cambridge superb and

1870
01:37:02,493 --> 01:37:04,613
Speaker 22: there are shuttle services if you only want to ride

1871
01:37:04,613 --> 01:37:07,853
Speaker 22: one way. It's twenty two that section.

1872
01:37:08,013 --> 01:37:11,173
Speaker 7: But it's so picturesque. So you've got the lush forests.

1873
01:37:10,933 --> 01:37:14,333
Speaker 22: You've got the native bat colonies, lots of bridges and

1874
01:37:14,413 --> 01:37:17,253
Speaker 22: elevated boardwalks and they all serve up just the most

1875
01:37:17,733 --> 01:37:19,293
Speaker 22: knockout river views.

1876
01:37:19,573 --> 01:37:20,453
Speaker 7: Really good ride.

1877
01:37:20,573 --> 01:37:23,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, and do you reckon that? Punnet Eatery is a

1878
01:37:23,333 --> 01:37:25,453
Speaker 3: good little spot for a tasty stop over.

1879
01:37:26,653 --> 01:37:29,653
Speaker 22: Well, they are brilliantly located because you've only just been

1880
01:37:29,733 --> 01:37:32,773
Speaker 22: out of the gardens for probably twenty minutes and you're

1881
01:37:32,813 --> 01:37:37,373
Speaker 22: in Tamahiri where this wildly popular gathering spot is and

1882
01:37:37,493 --> 01:37:40,693
Speaker 22: it attracts a lot of cyclists. So this was originally

1883
01:37:40,733 --> 01:37:44,373
Speaker 22: a strawberry farm, it's now got all the cozy farmhouse

1884
01:37:44,493 --> 01:37:48,373
Speaker 22: fields you could dream of, awesome eats, And what I

1885
01:37:48,533 --> 01:37:50,973
Speaker 22: love about Punnet is they do a roaring trade in

1886
01:37:51,653 --> 01:37:54,173
Speaker 22: a lot of ready made take ho meals and sweet treats.

1887
01:37:54,333 --> 01:37:57,853
Speaker 22: And if there is one reason to stop Jack at Punnit,

1888
01:37:58,413 --> 01:38:02,053
Speaker 22: it would be to score a bag of the peanut brittle.

1889
01:38:02,173 --> 01:38:07,373
Speaker 3: That'll kick you going, yeah, peanut it really get sucking

1890
01:38:07,413 --> 01:38:07,813
Speaker 3: your teeth.

1891
01:38:08,773 --> 01:38:10,973
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a good stuff.

1892
01:38:11,093 --> 01:38:14,973
Speaker 3: Let's let's say your measure A good brittle sounds so good. Yeah,

1893
01:38:15,093 --> 01:38:16,453
Speaker 3: like you're saying, it feels like the trans are a

1894
01:38:16,453 --> 01:38:18,093
Speaker 3: great place at the moment. Hey kind of going, yeah,

1895
01:38:18,333 --> 01:38:20,813
Speaker 3: it's not a role. Yeah, yeah, everything is happening in Hamilton.

1896
01:38:21,573 --> 01:38:24,533
Speaker 3: We will make sure all of Mike's tips for exploring

1897
01:38:24,573 --> 01:38:28,333
Speaker 3: Hamilton and enjoying its myriad pleasures are up on the

1898
01:38:28,373 --> 01:38:30,853
Speaker 3: news talks. He'd be website, our show page, of course

1899
01:38:30,933 --> 01:38:34,573
Speaker 3: news talks he'db dot co dot nz forward slash Jack.

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01:38:35,213 --> 01:38:36,733
Speaker 3: It's just gone eleven thirty.

1901
01:38:42,733 --> 01:38:46,653
Speaker 8: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team

1902
01:38:47,133 --> 01:38:48,293
Speaker 8: on news talks edb.

1903
01:38:50,733 --> 01:38:53,493
Speaker 4: Mother, get them are.

1904
01:39:01,573 --> 01:39:08,773
Speaker 6: Calm cold.

1905
01:39:17,573 --> 01:39:21,293
Speaker 3: That's Marlon Williams O Tura. He's announced he's gonna have

1906
01:39:21,293 --> 01:39:24,413
Speaker 3: a bit of a break from touring after his nationwide tour.

1907
01:39:24,573 --> 01:39:27,733
Speaker 3: This may thank you very much for your messages. Roddy

1908
01:39:27,773 --> 01:39:30,173
Speaker 3: has flicked me a note to say Jack regarding Splore.

1909
01:39:30,453 --> 01:39:32,893
Speaker 3: I went to the first three Splors. They were totally

1910
01:39:33,013 --> 01:39:35,853
Speaker 3: different from what the festival became over time. The initial

1911
01:39:36,013 --> 01:39:41,333
Speaker 3: fears the initial festivals rather where alcohol free, totally psychedelic, trance,

1912
01:39:41,493 --> 01:39:45,693
Speaker 3: drum and bass, definitely alternative. Explore became a bit more

1913
01:39:45,733 --> 01:39:49,973
Speaker 3: mainstream later on, well yeah, mainstream, but still maybe not

1914
01:39:50,173 --> 01:39:52,733
Speaker 3: quiet as mainstream as some other festivals. Right because mother

1915
01:39:52,773 --> 01:39:54,333
Speaker 3: has sent me a message to say I went to

1916
01:39:54,333 --> 01:39:57,053
Speaker 3: Explore in my early fifties. I've never been there before,

1917
01:39:57,173 --> 01:39:59,173
Speaker 3: but the first day I met some friendly young men

1918
01:39:59,253 --> 01:40:02,493
Speaker 3: walking around in g strings, which I thought, wow, as

1919
01:40:02,573 --> 01:40:04,413
Speaker 3: I have a wife. But that's set the tone for

1920
01:40:04,453 --> 01:40:06,093
Speaker 3: the whole weekend. I don't think I've ever had so

1921
01:40:06,173 --> 01:40:07,973
Speaker 3: much fun. Took me months to get over it, but

1922
01:40:08,093 --> 01:40:10,253
Speaker 3: something I'm glad I tried. We'll never do it again.

1923
01:40:10,373 --> 01:40:12,013
Speaker 3: I'm too old for that now, it says, muzz. But

1924
01:40:12,173 --> 01:40:15,333
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. Good on your muz. Open minded, you know,

1925
01:40:16,293 --> 01:40:18,853
Speaker 3: learn it about the world and enjoying yourself sounds like

1926
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Speaker 3: a good experience, a good memory at the very least.

1927
01:40:23,133 --> 01:40:24,573
Speaker 3: I do not need to if you want to send

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Speaker 3: us a message Jason pine is on weekend sport this afternoon.

1929
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Speaker 3: Lots to look forward to in terms of competition this evening.

1930
01:40:31,413 --> 01:40:33,493
Speaker 3: You got Super Rugby, you got the A League derby

1931
01:40:33,533 --> 01:40:37,413
Speaker 3: between Auckland FC and Wellington Phoenix at five pm this evening.

1932
01:40:37,493 --> 01:40:40,693
Speaker 3: But you're kicking things off Piney this afternoon by considering

1933
01:40:40,773 --> 01:40:42,893
Speaker 3: whether or not this whole controversy at the top of

1934
01:40:42,973 --> 01:40:45,533
Speaker 3: netball New Zealand is going to affect things at the grassroots.

1935
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

1936
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Speaker 3: I just want to get to Jack. I just wonder

1937
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Speaker 3: about that.

1938
01:40:47,933 --> 01:40:52,013
Speaker 20: I wonder whether those who play netball, or choose, you know,

1939
01:40:52,173 --> 01:40:55,173
Speaker 20: sports for themselves or for their daughters or their sons

1940
01:40:55,213 --> 01:40:58,053
Speaker 20: for that matter, worry about what's happening at the top.

1941
01:40:58,253 --> 01:40:59,813
Speaker 20: I guess it's around about way of saying that it

1942
01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:02,013
Speaker 20: has what's happened with the Dane Nolene told to a

1943
01:41:02,133 --> 01:41:06,053
Speaker 20: coaching saga, the reject broadcast deal, the departure of the

1944
01:41:06,133 --> 01:41:08,653
Speaker 20: sea and the share the chair of the board. Does

1945
01:41:08,733 --> 01:41:11,533
Speaker 20: this matter when it comes to the parents who stand

1946
01:41:11,573 --> 01:41:14,813
Speaker 20: on the sidelines at netball, you know during the winter months,

1947
01:41:14,853 --> 01:41:17,573
Speaker 20: do they actually care what's happening at the top of

1948
01:41:17,573 --> 01:41:18,053
Speaker 20: their sport?

1949
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Speaker 3: I don't know. The answer.

1950
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Speaker 20: I'm keen to know the answer. The other part of this, obviously,

1951
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Speaker 20: is that you know, twenty years ago, if you were

1952
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Speaker 20: a young girl coming you know, and wanted to play

1953
01:41:27,973 --> 01:41:29,213
Speaker 20: sport in the winter, you played netble.

1954
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Speaker 7: That was it.

1955
01:41:29,853 --> 01:41:33,413
Speaker 20: Really Now goodness me, there are so many different options

1956
01:41:33,853 --> 01:41:36,053
Speaker 20: for young female athletes and we just have to look

1957
01:41:36,093 --> 01:41:38,933
Speaker 20: at things like snow sport, I mean, Zoey Sadowski senators

1958
01:41:39,013 --> 01:41:44,093
Speaker 20: carving up. We've got combat sports and also basketball, rugby, rugby, league, football, cricket.

1959
01:41:44,413 --> 01:41:46,293
Speaker 3: You know, so many other options now.

1960
01:41:46,413 --> 01:41:49,813
Speaker 20: So does netball have to have to reinvent itself or

1961
01:41:49,893 --> 01:41:52,933
Speaker 20: being flexible or at least be aware of these problems.

1962
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Speaker 20: It's you know, it's a sort of a multifaceted discussion

1963
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Speaker 20: which I'm quite keen to have after mid day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an important discussion. I think that'd be really interesting.

1965
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Speaker 3: So do you reckon that Starbreet Singer is maybe the

1966
01:42:02,733 --> 01:42:04,973
Speaker 3: single unluckiest football player in New Zealand.

1967
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Speaker 12: He's got to be close, doesn't he?

1968
01:42:07,733 --> 01:42:07,973
Speaker 3: Cheap?

1969
01:42:07,973 --> 01:42:10,093
Speaker 20: As he came back and I would be So I'm

1970
01:42:10,213 --> 01:42:12,133
Speaker 20: looking forward to the derby today anyway, but I'd be

1971
01:42:12,213 --> 01:42:14,733
Speaker 20: looking forward to more if Sarpregson was going to be

1972
01:42:14,773 --> 01:42:18,013
Speaker 20: out there in the nine jumper for Wellington Phoenix today. Yeah.

1973
01:42:18,093 --> 01:42:19,933
Speaker 20: G you can't buy a trek Canny. I guess if

1974
01:42:19,933 --> 01:42:22,093
Speaker 20: you're looking for a silver lining of any type, it's

1975
01:42:22,133 --> 01:42:25,253
Speaker 20: that he's done the injury now eight weeks and might

1976
01:42:25,373 --> 01:42:27,933
Speaker 20: still be obviously okay when the World Cup rolls around

1977
01:42:28,013 --> 01:42:29,973
Speaker 20: in June of this year. I guess you'd rather be

1978
01:42:30,053 --> 01:42:33,253
Speaker 20: out for eight weeks now, yeah, because you lose your

1979
01:42:33,293 --> 01:42:34,973
Speaker 20: match fitness and that as well. And he hasn't played

1980
01:42:34,973 --> 01:42:37,413
Speaker 20: a heck of a lot of football recently anyway, sar

1981
01:42:37,493 --> 01:42:39,693
Speaker 20: pred And I think coming back to Wellington was was

1982
01:42:39,773 --> 01:42:42,493
Speaker 20: his way of getting himself geared up with some you know,

1983
01:42:42,613 --> 01:42:45,013
Speaker 20: some good, good hard matches ahead of the World Cup.

1984
01:42:45,093 --> 01:42:47,413
Speaker 20: So look, I see an Instagram post this morning from

1985
01:42:47,493 --> 01:42:49,453
Speaker 20: him saying he's, you know, he's face step backs in

1986
01:42:49,533 --> 01:42:51,613
Speaker 20: his past and he's he's keen to face this one

1987
01:42:51,733 --> 01:42:54,493
Speaker 20: head on as well. But yeah, just just dreadfully unlucky

1988
01:42:54,573 --> 01:42:57,093
Speaker 20: for him that in his first game back he picked

1989
01:42:57,133 --> 01:42:58,533
Speaker 20: up an injury which is going to keep him out

1990
01:42:58,533 --> 01:42:59,053
Speaker 20: for a couple of mons.

1991
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. It just seems like just it's

1992
01:43:02,573 --> 01:43:06,253
Speaker 3: just the last thing the phoenix as well, surely trying

1993
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Speaker 3: surely win one of these once. Of course, of course

1994
01:43:11,013 --> 01:43:13,133
Speaker 3: of course you will. But yeah, and look maybe maybe

1995
01:43:13,213 --> 01:43:14,653
Speaker 3: you know, I think I said last time that I

1996
01:43:14,693 --> 01:43:17,213
Speaker 3: felt like maybe that it was the phoenix's best chance

1997
01:43:17,253 --> 01:43:19,093
Speaker 3: to get up. And you know, the pundits will be

1998
01:43:19,173 --> 01:43:21,133
Speaker 3: looking at the lineup today and saying, surely it's all

1999
01:43:21,173 --> 01:43:23,333
Speaker 3: comes to lose. But no, you know, you never was

2000
01:43:23,333 --> 01:43:24,213
Speaker 3: a funny sport Puney.

2001
01:43:24,253 --> 01:43:24,573
Speaker 4: You never know.

2002
01:43:25,813 --> 01:43:27,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've said to you. I think I've

2003
01:43:27,253 --> 01:43:31,213
Speaker 3: seen to you before every derby. Yes, surely the one,

2004
01:43:31,453 --> 01:43:33,613
Speaker 3: surely the one. Yeah, maybe we need to stop saying

2005
01:43:33,653 --> 01:43:35,093
Speaker 3: that maybe we do, who knows?

2006
01:43:35,693 --> 01:43:37,253
Speaker 20: Well, I mean after today, we don't have to talk

2007
01:43:37,253 --> 01:43:39,133
Speaker 20: about it again to the next season till there we go.

2008
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, enjoy it. We were like catching in

2009
01:43:41,333 --> 01:43:43,693
Speaker 3: very so Jason Pine with us for weekend sport right

2010
01:43:43,773 --> 01:43:46,933
Speaker 3: after the midday news on News Talks. He'd be before midday,

2011
01:43:46,973 --> 01:43:49,573
Speaker 3: we're going to take a look at the last ever splore.

2012
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Speaker 3: Next up, we've got your book picks for this weekend.

2013
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Speaker 3: It's twenty three minutes to twelve.

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeart

2015
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Speaker 1: radio powered by News Talks, he'd be.

2016
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Speaker 3: Twenty twelve. On News Talks, he'd be Catherine Rains is

2017
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Speaker 3: here with us this mo She is, of course, our

2018
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Speaker 3: book reviewer, brings us a couple of great reads every weekend.

2019
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Speaker 3: Good Morning, Catherine, Morning Jack. So we've talked about Greek

2020
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Speaker 3: Hewitz several times before. His Orphan X series is fantastic,

2021
01:44:17,573 --> 01:44:20,173
Speaker 3: and there is a new Orphan X edition anti hero.

2022
01:44:21,493 --> 01:44:23,613
Speaker 14: So yes, Evan Smoke is back and he is known

2023
01:44:23,653 --> 01:44:26,053
Speaker 14: as Orphan X and sometimes the nowhere Man, and his

2024
01:44:26,173 --> 01:44:29,293
Speaker 14: background is that he was an assassin for a government

2025
01:44:29,413 --> 01:44:32,693
Speaker 14: organization that he's now left. And this book opens with

2026
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Speaker 14: a celebration for life for his old friend Tommy, who

2027
01:44:36,173 --> 01:44:38,133
Speaker 14: was the one that taught him everything in the Orphan

2028
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Speaker 14: X program, and then following this, he gets a phone

2029
01:44:41,813 --> 01:44:43,733
Speaker 14: call and he needs to get to New York as

2030
01:44:43,813 --> 01:44:46,853
Speaker 14: soon as he can and head into the Hamptons because

2031
01:44:46,893 --> 01:44:48,573
Speaker 14: one of the most richest guys in the world, a

2032
01:44:48,613 --> 01:44:51,613
Speaker 14: guy called Luke Devlon, is spiraling out of control and

2033
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Speaker 14: he happens to bring along a team Orphan from the

2034
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Speaker 14: from the assassination program, a girl called Josephine but actually

2035
01:44:58,213 --> 01:45:01,653
Speaker 14: known as Joey that trained him, and you know, he's

2036
01:45:01,733 --> 01:45:04,773
Speaker 14: kind of informally adopted and he needs her text skills

2037
01:45:04,813 --> 01:45:07,493
Speaker 14: alongside him. But it's the first that she's been out

2038
01:45:07,653 --> 01:45:10,693
Speaker 14: in the field, and together they hear about this woman

2039
01:45:10,773 --> 01:45:13,573
Speaker 14: who's been kidnapped from a New New York subway car.

2040
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Speaker 14: And this woman, Anaka, suffers from the stabilitating illness which

2041
01:45:17,573 --> 01:45:20,173
Speaker 14: causes her to have seizures up to six times a day,

2042
01:45:20,613 --> 01:45:22,013
Speaker 14: and she had this kind of you know, she has

2043
01:45:22,133 --> 01:45:24,493
Speaker 14: a laminating lanyard that she wears around her neck telling

2044
01:45:24,533 --> 01:45:27,013
Speaker 14: people what to do when she has a seizure. But

2045
01:45:27,413 --> 01:45:31,013
Speaker 14: at this point in time to the strangers take complete

2046
01:45:31,013 --> 01:45:33,453
Speaker 14: advantage of her and end up kidnapping her. And it's

2047
01:45:33,533 --> 01:45:36,893
Speaker 14: this rollercoaster of the book, and you see the side

2048
01:45:36,933 --> 01:45:40,093
Speaker 14: of humanity's best and worst in the characters that struggle

2049
01:45:40,173 --> 01:45:43,613
Speaker 14: to grapple with the consequences of their choices, and even

2050
01:45:43,653 --> 01:45:45,693
Speaker 14: Smoke has kind of led in a different direction from

2051
01:45:45,773 --> 01:45:47,853
Speaker 14: how he would normally deal with things, and it's just, yeah,

2052
01:45:47,933 --> 01:45:50,933
Speaker 14: it's really it's you know, it's the Orphanic series, but

2053
01:45:50,973 --> 01:45:52,293
Speaker 14: it's a bit of a different direction for.

2054
01:45:54,053 --> 01:45:55,853
Speaker 3: I think I've teased him before, I haven't I because

2055
01:45:55,973 --> 01:45:57,893
Speaker 3: even Smoke just feels a bit on the nose. But

2056
01:45:59,253 --> 01:46:02,893
Speaker 3: don't you think think, yes it does, yeah anytimes. Smoke

2057
01:46:03,053 --> 01:46:05,693
Speaker 3: is the surname of your protagonist and he's a former assassin.

2058
01:46:07,253 --> 01:46:09,853
Speaker 3: But anyway, that does sound like a new direction, so

2059
01:46:09,933 --> 01:46:12,613
Speaker 3: that could be really good. So Antihero is the name

2060
01:46:12,693 --> 01:46:15,893
Speaker 3: of Greg Hwitz's latest. It's an orphan ex novel. Next

2061
01:46:16,013 --> 01:46:18,533
Speaker 3: up The Dead Speak by Thomas Coyle.

2062
01:46:19,773 --> 01:46:23,733
Speaker 14: So this is a really interesting memoir. And Thomas Hoyle

2063
01:46:24,613 --> 01:46:28,373
Speaker 14: is in forensics and in this he talks about the

2064
01:46:28,493 --> 01:46:31,933
Speaker 14: crime scenes he's seen in the disaster science. He's been in,

2065
01:46:32,373 --> 01:46:34,493
Speaker 14: you know, in areas you know most of us would

2066
01:46:34,573 --> 01:46:37,253
Speaker 14: never see or experience. And over his time he's been

2067
01:46:37,293 --> 01:46:40,573
Speaker 14: to more than twenty thousand crime scenes. He worked for

2068
01:46:40,693 --> 01:46:43,653
Speaker 14: Scotland Yard, he's worked for the Fraud Squad and the

2069
01:46:43,693 --> 01:46:46,933
Speaker 14: Anti Terrorist Unit, and he's been a fingerprint expert in

2070
01:46:47,013 --> 01:46:49,413
Speaker 14: the New Zealand Police And of course he has stories

2071
01:46:49,493 --> 01:46:52,933
Speaker 14: to tell and his career bank began, you know, back

2072
01:46:52,973 --> 01:46:56,173
Speaker 14: in nineteen eighty six and he was working night shifts

2073
01:46:56,253 --> 01:46:59,293
Speaker 14: at a bakery in the UK and he heard a

2074
01:46:59,333 --> 01:47:02,893
Speaker 14: commotion outside and as he heads outside to investigate, he

2075
01:47:03,013 --> 01:47:06,533
Speaker 14: discovers that his best friend has been seriously in and

2076
01:47:06,613 --> 01:47:08,813
Speaker 14: people are trying to save him at the scene, and

2077
01:47:08,933 --> 01:47:13,253
Speaker 14: sadly he passes away and what you know, his grief,

2078
01:47:14,013 --> 01:47:16,613
Speaker 14: what it starts to dissipate, and that anger and frustration

2079
01:47:16,733 --> 01:47:19,173
Speaker 14: arrives and he decides to become a police officer. And

2080
01:47:19,253 --> 01:47:22,053
Speaker 14: he applies at Scotland Yard to be a fingerprint expert

2081
01:47:22,173 --> 01:47:24,573
Speaker 14: and he gets the job and he's a little surprised

2082
01:47:24,613 --> 01:47:26,853
Speaker 14: by that, and in two thousand and then talks a

2083
01:47:26,893 --> 01:47:28,333
Speaker 14: lot about what he does there, and then in two

2084
01:47:28,373 --> 01:47:30,493
Speaker 14: thousand and three he moves to New Zealand and becomes

2085
01:47:30,773 --> 01:47:35,213
Speaker 14: a disaster victim identification expert as a civilian, and then

2086
01:47:35,253 --> 01:47:39,053
Speaker 14: in twenty nineteen he resigns, but he talks about lots

2087
01:47:39,093 --> 01:47:40,893
Speaker 14: of things that are really well known to us as

2088
01:47:40,893 --> 01:47:42,773
Speaker 14: the New Zealanders. You know, on the twenty sixth of

2089
01:47:42,893 --> 01:47:46,453
Speaker 14: December two thousand and four when the tsunamis and earthquakes

2090
01:47:46,533 --> 01:47:48,653
Speaker 14: hit and you know, two hundred and seventy five thousand

2091
01:47:48,693 --> 01:47:51,573
Speaker 14: people lost their lives and you know, communities wiped out

2092
01:47:51,613 --> 01:47:54,493
Speaker 14: around the Indian Ocean. And then he travels to Thailand

2093
01:47:54,533 --> 01:47:58,573
Speaker 14: as a member of the expert Binkton Identification team and

2094
01:47:58,693 --> 01:48:01,373
Speaker 14: he talks about that and how devastating that must have

2095
01:48:01,493 --> 01:48:04,373
Speaker 14: been and what they saw and you know, trying to

2096
01:48:04,453 --> 01:48:08,613
Speaker 14: identify thousands of people, and then he sort of talks

2097
01:48:08,653 --> 01:48:12,213
Speaker 14: about it as well, he was responsible for identifying the

2098
01:48:12,573 --> 01:48:15,373
Speaker 14: victims of the Christ Church earthquake in twenty eleven and

2099
01:48:15,653 --> 01:48:18,133
Speaker 14: just how different that was for him because he didn't

2100
01:48:18,173 --> 01:48:20,213
Speaker 14: know if he would know someone and I'd kind of

2101
01:48:20,333 --> 01:48:22,813
Speaker 14: never thought about it in that way, if you know,

2102
01:48:22,933 --> 01:48:25,933
Speaker 14: if you're working in New Zealand and how small we are,

2103
01:48:26,533 --> 01:48:28,573
Speaker 14: and it's really one of the most poignant things he

2104
01:48:28,693 --> 01:48:31,973
Speaker 14: writes about. But it's a really fascinating insight into that

2105
01:48:32,093 --> 01:48:35,013
Speaker 14: world of forensic and how things really work. And as

2106
01:48:35,053 --> 01:48:37,053
Speaker 14: he says, you know, it's not really like an episode

2107
01:48:37,093 --> 01:48:39,933
Speaker 14: of CSI. Things take a lot longer, and it's just

2108
01:48:40,093 --> 01:48:42,013
Speaker 14: fascinating because it's a world most of us never see.

2109
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Speaker 3: Yeah, how intriguing and great to have that kind of

2110
01:48:44,573 --> 01:48:47,813
Speaker 3: the first hand recollection. So that sounds really good. That's

2111
01:48:47,853 --> 01:48:51,653
Speaker 3: called The Dead Speak. It's by Thomas Coyle. Catherine's first

2112
01:48:51,653 --> 01:48:55,453
Speaker 3: book is anti hero and orphan ex novel by Greg Hurwitz,

2113
01:48:55,853 --> 01:48:57,893
Speaker 3: and we'll have all the details for both of those

2114
01:48:57,933 --> 01:49:01,133
Speaker 3: books up at newstalks hedb dot co dot nz. It's

2115
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Speaker 3: quarter to eleven.

2116
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Speaker 1: Giving U the inside scoop on all you need to

2117
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Speaker 1: know Saturday morning with Jack Team News talks at be.

2118
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Speaker 2: Doing here from a jump here, I don't really know

2119
01:49:16,173 --> 01:49:21,293
Speaker 2: how it beat. I've been doing me another get it.

2120
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Speaker 3: This is Jess b from the Jump playing Exploor this

2121
01:49:27,933 --> 01:49:32,013
Speaker 3: weekend for the last time. Explore's last hurrah at Guitar

2122
01:49:32,133 --> 01:49:36,733
Speaker 3: Papa Kanga Regional Park. It's been going for twenty eight years.

2123
01:49:37,013 --> 01:49:39,613
Speaker 3: I think now our music reviewer Chris Shultz is going

2124
01:49:39,693 --> 01:49:42,893
Speaker 3: to be there. As soon as he's finished this little conversation,

2125
01:49:43,093 --> 01:49:45,133
Speaker 3: he's going to make his way to Splore for the

2126
01:49:45,213 --> 01:49:45,693
Speaker 3: last time.

2127
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Speaker 12: It's sad, isn't it. I feel a little emotional. I've

2128
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Speaker 12: seen the posters up around town and that they are

2129
01:49:51,973 --> 01:49:54,213
Speaker 12: putting it on the posters. They're saying, this is the

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Speaker 12: last flaw. Definitively, there's no coming back from this. I

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Speaker 12: was nineteen years old when this festival started. It's you know,

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Speaker 12: there was no social media, there were no cell phones.

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Speaker 12: It's kind of wild think about how long this festival

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Speaker 12: has endured. It is the longest running music festival in

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Speaker 12: the country. Is that right, twenty eight years. Yeah, I

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Speaker 12: mean that's longer than the Big day Out, that's longer

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Speaker 12: than Rhythm and Vines. That's what I believe. Yeah, if

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Speaker 12: it's not, it's right.

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Speaker 3: Certainly for a festivals of a certain size right and scale.

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Speaker 12: Like a multi stage is a festival of you know,

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Speaker 12: several like many thousands of people. Yeah, it's up there.

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Speaker 3: So for people who don't know splow, can you just

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Speaker 3: give us a bit of a like once over explained floor.

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Speaker 12: It's in the bush, like it was not in the bush,

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01:50:40,053 --> 01:50:42,493
Speaker 12: it's on the beach. It's the beach. You can literally

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Speaker 12: see the main stage and stand in the water with

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Speaker 12: waves lapping at your toes. It's that kind of vibe.

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Speaker 12: There's trees, you camp, there's a lot of colorful outfits.

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Speaker 12: There's a lot of people who've been going the whole time.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, I'm looking at you right now,

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Speaker 3: and you're very sensibly dressed in a white T shirt

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Speaker 3: and shorts. I was sort of expecting. Yeah, there, I

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01:51:02,253 --> 01:51:07,173
Speaker 3: was expecting, you know, like braids in your hair, rings,

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Speaker 3: so none of that. They're in the back of the car.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'll put them on after this.

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Speaker 3: It's always had a kind of alternative vibe, right, although

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Speaker 3: the alternative vibe has over time become a bit more mainstream.

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Speaker 12: Definitely, yeah, yeah, but the headliners they get, you know,

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Speaker 12: the lineup is always the best thing about it.

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Speaker 22: You know.

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Speaker 12: Today you can see you know, this great Aukland mostly

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01:51:28,333 --> 01:51:30,653
Speaker 12: female punk band Dick Move. You can see the Wellington

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01:51:30,693 --> 01:51:33,933
Speaker 12: singer a Stare, you can suggest b and then you

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01:51:33,973 --> 01:51:38,173
Speaker 12: can see the UK Nightmares on Wax Collective. You know,

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Speaker 12: like they're doing a DJ set that's been around for decades.

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Speaker 12: That's why I'm going out there.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 12: Their music is just so good for any occasion. Really,

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01:51:46,413 --> 01:51:49,173
Speaker 12: they've got an album or a soundtrack for it. So

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Speaker 12: it's the kind of festival where you can see all

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01:51:51,173 --> 01:51:53,813
Speaker 12: these different genres, see all these different people. Often a

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01:51:53,893 --> 01:51:54,453
Speaker 12: lot of kids.

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Speaker 5: Kids.

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Speaker 12: I think it's under twelve, get them for free, so

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Speaker 12: real family vibe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I'm hoping today's not too emotional. I'm hoping the emotions

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01:52:03,253 --> 01:52:04,773
Speaker 12: come out on the Sunday. This is more of a

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Speaker 12: celebration on the Saturday. I think it's probably tomorrow when

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01:52:08,173 --> 01:52:10,133
Speaker 12: it might hit. You know, maybe there's a bit of

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01:52:10,213 --> 01:52:13,053
Speaker 12: a hangover and people are like, oh, we're not doing

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Speaker 12: this again. The promoter, John Minty, has spoken about how

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Speaker 12: he tried to keep it going. He applied for the

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Speaker 12: government's Major Events Boost, which is a fund that's been

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01:52:22,213 --> 01:52:24,933
Speaker 12: created to keep things like this happening to bring artists

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01:52:24,973 --> 01:52:28,413
Speaker 12: to the country, to make events possible. When he got denied,

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01:52:28,453 --> 01:52:30,133
Speaker 12: he only needed I think it was two hundred and

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01:52:30,173 --> 01:52:33,813
Speaker 12: seventy thousand, He said, he just needed a help through

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01:52:33,933 --> 01:52:37,773
Speaker 12: this kind of economic crisis when costs for artists, winners

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01:52:37,813 --> 01:52:40,253
Speaker 12: and stages have gone up and people aren't buying quite

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01:52:40,253 --> 01:52:42,933
Speaker 12: as many tickets. There's raise of thin margins, he said,

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01:52:42,973 --> 01:52:44,773
Speaker 12: four or five hundred tickets as kind of make or

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Speaker 12: break where he's at.

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Speaker 3: That's stressful, Yeah, because it just seems crazy to me, Like,

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Speaker 3: given how popular it is, it seems crazy to me

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01:52:52,333 --> 01:52:54,493
Speaker 3: that they would that ticket sales would be the reason

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Speaker 3: that they can't continue.

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Speaker 12: It's not the only one. I mean, look at Womad's

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01:52:57,293 --> 01:53:00,453
Speaker 12: called things off this year, Listening called it off last year.

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01:53:00,533 --> 01:53:02,693
Speaker 12: Splor actually took a year off last year hoping things

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01:53:02,733 --> 01:53:05,453
Speaker 12: would improve, and then came out and said they haven't

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Speaker 12: improved yet.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:53:07,493 --> 01:53:09,853
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a real shame. I mean, it's not lost

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01:53:09,893 --> 01:53:12,573
Speaker 12: on me that this is the weekend when the last

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01:53:12,613 --> 01:53:16,693
Speaker 12: splaw is happening next weekend. Electric Avenue, a festival that

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01:53:16,813 --> 01:53:19,853
Speaker 12: cannot stop growing, like it just keeps getting bigger and bigger,

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01:53:19,933 --> 01:53:23,133
Speaker 12: is happening on christ Church and so that juxtaposition is

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Speaker 12: quite jarring, like why does Explaw not work but Electric Avenue,

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01:53:26,773 --> 01:53:27,333
Speaker 12: which even do.

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01:53:27,813 --> 01:53:29,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I.

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01:53:29,013 --> 01:53:31,133
Speaker 12: Mean, that's why I love this industry. It's full of

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01:53:31,173 --> 01:53:34,453
Speaker 12: these potholes and these these It's always changing, and an

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01:53:34,533 --> 01:53:36,493
Speaker 12: artist that worked one year may not work the next.

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01:53:36,613 --> 01:53:39,173
Speaker 12: And it's a gamble. These guys, you know, these promoters

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01:53:39,173 --> 01:53:41,253
Speaker 12: are gamblers. They're putting it all on the line every show,

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01:53:41,373 --> 01:53:44,253
Speaker 12: and sometimes it just doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately.

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01:53:45,093 --> 01:53:48,973
Speaker 12: Are you camping, I'm definitely not going to be camping, Jack,

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01:53:49,173 --> 01:53:50,973
Speaker 12: but my son actually turns sixteen to that I've got

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01:53:51,573 --> 01:53:54,293
Speaker 12: I've got a party to organize as well, So I'm

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01:53:54,373 --> 01:53:56,333
Speaker 12: nupping out there. I'm going to check it out and

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01:53:56,373 --> 01:53:59,493
Speaker 12: see what the vibers, hopefully seen Nightmares on Wax and

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01:53:59,653 --> 01:54:02,493
Speaker 12: then get back home for him.

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01:54:02,693 --> 01:54:04,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. I think the forecast is okay. So

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Speaker 3: because there have been a few of knee deep in

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01:54:07,213 --> 01:54:10,893
Speaker 3: mud experiences in the past, I think, but fingers crossed

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01:54:10,893 --> 01:54:12,613
Speaker 3: that won't be the case for the final spot. Thank

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01:54:12,653 --> 01:54:15,533
Speaker 3: you so much, enjoy it, won't you. We'll catch again

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01:54:15,613 --> 01:54:17,413
Speaker 3: Chris Schultz, and of course you can hear more from

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01:54:17,493 --> 01:54:21,373
Speaker 3: Chris by checking out a substack. Substack is boiler Room.

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Speaker 3: Tammy Nielsen's playing at Splore, so I reckon. We are

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Speaker 3: going to close out the show in a couple of

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Speaker 3: minutes from one of hers with one of her tracks,

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01:54:28,093 --> 01:54:30,413
Speaker 3: just to mark the end of an era after twenty

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Speaker 3: eight years, cragging.

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Speaker 1: Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack team

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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd been.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: Oh that is almost us for another Saturday morning together

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Speaker 3: on News Talks.

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01:54:45,973 --> 01:54:46,093
Speaker 2: Ed B.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for all of your texts and

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Speaker 3: emails throughout the morning, and to keep a close eye

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01:54:51,733 --> 01:54:54,293
Speaker 3: on the Prince Andrew fall out former Prince Andrew fall out.

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01:54:54,333 --> 01:54:58,573
Speaker 3: Of course, very interesting to see Keir Starmer talking about

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01:54:58,613 --> 01:55:02,533
Speaker 3: the laws that might be enacted in order to ensure

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01:55:03,373 --> 01:55:06,053
Speaker 3: he can never hold the crown. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: going to be issue, to be perfectly honest, but anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll follow that. For everything from our show, you can

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Speaker 3: go to news Storks, SeeDB dot co, dot in z

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Speaker 3: Edford Slash Jack. I'm gonna be back with your next

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Speaker 3: Saturday Morning this afternoon. Of course, it's all Jason Pine

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Speaker 3: on weekend sport, counting down to Super Rugby this evening

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01:55:23,773 --> 01:55:26,213
Speaker 3: and the A League derby between Auckland FC and the

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01:55:26,253 --> 01:55:29,053
Speaker 3: Wellington Phoenix. Thank you very much to my awesome producer Libby.

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01:55:29,453 --> 01:55:31,733
Speaker 3: We're gonna leave you with Tammy Nielson. She is playing

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Speaker 3: Slore for the last time after twenty eight years as

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01:55:34,573 --> 01:55:38,013
Speaker 3: the festival closes out this weekend. This is Borrow my

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01:55:38,173 --> 01:55:39,493
Speaker 3: boots see you next week.

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Speaker 2: Regulars.

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01:55:57,453 --> 01:56:14,053
Speaker 6: You can borrows.

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01:56:14,973 --> 01:56:18,213
Speaker 2: He's walking, you can brow my food.

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01:56:19,293 --> 01:56:25,813
Speaker 18: Break he's crossy. You can borrow my food as breaking

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01:56:26,893 --> 01:56:31,533
Speaker 18: chance he's taking please kick it, can take it.

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01:56:33,453 --> 01:56:36,373
Speaker 6: You'll get bo my wood chance.

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01:56:39,493 --> 01:56:44,413
Speaker 18: Hey, Hey's sister sometimes on the way to stuff.

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Speaker 3: Nug it down, Greg and Loose kicking in. You can

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01:56:48,373 --> 01:56:49,853
Speaker 3: borrow my booze.

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01:56:51,213 --> 01:57:01,613
Speaker 6: Lap the booze kicking in. You can boski.

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Speaker 2: Boots for more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame.

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Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talks at b from nine am Saturday,

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