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Speaker 2: the property market will be in real terms, a relative terms,
Speaker 2: down about twenty percent, even if the numbers actually go up.
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Speaker 2: market's doing, what matters to you when you're buying a
Speaker 2: house is how much you pay for it. So we're
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Speaker 2: do you need to challenge them and say, hey, that's
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Speaker 2: B Yes and illustrious panelist Look will go with We'll
Speaker 2: go with the most familiar because I often do age
Speaker 2: before beauty and it does get me tripped up sometimes
Speaker 2: because they're both.
Speaker 4: They're both beautiful in different ways. And he is he is,
Speaker 4: he is a broadcaster. He's he's looking rugged and hunky
Speaker 4: as the resident Bill today, it's Pete wolf Camp. Pete,
Speaker 4: hang on, I think we need to turn your volume up.
Speaker 2: Can we just get that fader up? There? There we
Speaker 2: go speak there you are.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, hi Pete, awesome, how are you? I'm all right?
Speaker 3: All right? Actually, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: You're looking you're looking well, except you've got to you've
Speaker 2: got something on your oh, yes, on your wrist.
Speaker 3: What have you done damage or something like that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: This post operative?
Speaker 3: Or just no, no, this is just recuperative age. Who knows?
Speaker 3: Who knows? The wheels are falling off, That's all right.
Speaker 2: When did you actually start noticing when you're on the
Speaker 2: building side, it's like, oh, I think I might just
Speaker 2: give that to one of my apprentices.
Speaker 3: I think it's the thing when you pack something up
Speaker 3: and you go, I didn't weigh that much ten years ago,
Speaker 3: you know, like a beggar cement, right, you flick one
Speaker 3: onto the shoulder and swam off down the road. And
Speaker 3: now it's like, she goes.
Speaker 2: Actually, I'll get there, I'll get there. Yeah, and joining me,
Speaker 2: joining me and me, Pete, Peter and I joining Peter
Speaker 2: and me. Actually, grammatically that is as a producer and journalist,
Speaker 2: regular on she's a bunch of things. She's prison with
Speaker 2: the New Zealand Screen Producers girls, she's a I think
Speaker 2: she's still an Arion z in board members. She yes,
Speaker 2: she is, and a long time journalist and TIVA producer
Speaker 2: Irene Gardner.
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, I think you should stop objectifying Peter.
Speaker 2: Well, I can't help this. South look at him because
Speaker 2: he's magnificent, isn't he you know? To no, no, noah, mister,
Speaker 2: love love love him. We were discussing before. It's easier
Speaker 2: for me to objectify objectify a fellow male than it
Speaker 2: is these days. Too. I could pay your compliments saying
Speaker 2: you're looking absolutely lovely today, Irene. I think that's fairly.
Speaker 5: Sa I think now I just you just said that
Speaker 5: now because you had to.
Speaker 2: But you do look love You always look lovely anyway. Actually,
Speaker 2: by the way, on the weight thing, I saw my
Speaker 2: daughter on the weight in terms of heavy.
Speaker 4: Dangerous sorry, and that was an awkward segue.
Speaker 2: I saw my daughter off this morning too. She's doing
Speaker 2: her Duke of Edinburgh overnight camp fantastic and where they
Speaker 2: go to ring a Toto and they it's probably they
Speaker 2: cover a fair but a distance. I think they're about
Speaker 2: twenty six kilometers plus an overnight camp, and well, isn't
Speaker 2: the Duke of Edinburgh system of you know what do
Speaker 2: you call it? The awards system? They're fantastic. But she's
Speaker 2: a slip of a girl and she had her pack
Speaker 2: and she put a pack in the boot and I said,
Speaker 2: I'll take that for you, darling. I was, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 2: and it was probably the way I was holding it,
Speaker 2: but I thought, what have you gotten here?
Speaker 3: And then there is that discussion it is only an
Speaker 3: overnight you know, you do realize that they have.
Speaker 2: To take Actually, it turns out. They have to take
Speaker 2: in their cooking water, and so there's a few key
Speaker 2: loads of fluids in there. So yes, but I did think.
Speaker 5: Hmm, she could tip over carrying that.
Speaker 2: I was worried I was going to tip over carry
Speaker 2: That's when Peter was.
Speaker 5: Talking about carrying a bag of cement, and I was thinking,
Speaker 5: I'm fairly puny. I was thinking, could I even live
Speaker 5: like you live?
Speaker 2: Well, it depends they come in big, that they come
Speaker 2: in different.
Speaker 3: Side forty and twenty five kg.
Speaker 5: I think both of those would be out of my range.
Speaker 2: Actually, forty kilo bag as a means an unwieldy object,
Speaker 2: doesn't it?
Speaker 3: Only today it's a two person lift, is it? Technically?
Speaker 5: I could weel it in a wheel back?
Speaker 2: Can you still do it in one? Pete Wolf can
Speaker 2: look at it, and he's magnifical.
Speaker 3: We have done for years, two persons lift.
Speaker 2: That's funny. I ordered some I had some flour because
Speaker 2: I do my own baking, and I thought wikilos and
Speaker 2: I got a twenty kilo. Okay, But carrying a sack
Speaker 2: of twenty kilos as opposed to a twenty kilo wait
Speaker 2: completely different cup of.
Speaker 3: Tea, isn't it it's all the technique.
Speaker 2: It's a technique, isn't it. Well, we could I wonder
Speaker 2: if there's an excuse for us to do to do
Speaker 2: something on Oh no, no, no, we're going to cover
Speaker 2: that in some sort of property hour perhaps not how
Speaker 2: not how to avoid injuring yourself while you're doing your deal.
Speaker 2: I want that left forty kilo bags or something. Anyway, Hey,
Speaker 2: lovely to have you here, guys, love lived you here.
Speaker 2: Irene was starting to tune out on the building talk.
Speaker 2: She's like, we're gonna get onto it now. The big stuff.
Speaker 6: I well, I ran in Israel, the tensions that are
Speaker 6: ramping up, and Donald Trumps well, he's even overalled his
Speaker 6: own Tossy Gabbard saying that when she said that there
Speaker 6: were they weren't building a bomb, said she's wrong.
Speaker 2: Bb Netto's been in Trump's here. He's now saying that
Speaker 2: he's going to give it two weeks to decide whether
Speaker 2: the US gets involved. That's pretty pretty concerning stuff in that, Peter.
Speaker 3: That might be the smartest thing that he's done is
Speaker 3: just to go, look, you guys, try and sort this
Speaker 3: out in the next two weeks. If you don't, then
Speaker 3: something else will happen. So as a given that he's
Speaker 3: the man of the deal and all the rest of it,
Speaker 3: maybe that's actually quite a smart move. The call to surrender, though,
Speaker 3: surrender to whom, Like, who are they supposed to surrender to?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the problem. It's because I mean Iran, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to surrender someone sovereignty. The thing is, the
Speaker 2: problem is I just don't think that he is what
Speaker 2: he stands for on these things. And he's had Netanyahu
Speaker 2: and which is why he's probably overruling his own company
Speaker 2: by positioned Tozzy Gabbard but she's in security intelligence. But yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you make of it all? Iren?
Speaker 3: Oh, what's horrible?
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, this is people, this is people's lives.
Speaker 5: It's terrible. And yeah, I mean Nitya, who just seems
Speaker 5: so so extreme these days really, and you know, the
Speaker 5: leader in Iran has not exactly got a great record
Speaker 5: himself and human rights et cetera. And so yeah, you
Speaker 5: kind of it really feels like a time when we
Speaker 5: need a US president who is very calm and has
Speaker 5: a very cool head, and it's very wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing is as well, is that
Speaker 2: even when we're talking about who the regimes are and
Speaker 2: as if we have to choose between good and bad,
Speaker 2: and it's like, it's just like, you know what, the
Speaker 2: Iranian regime is horrendous, and especially when it comes to
Speaker 2: human rights and the women's rights and things. But I
Speaker 2: think we have to put that to one side. I mean,
Speaker 2: you look at what Israel has been up to in
Speaker 2: its foreign policy and Netanyahu. But the thing that stuck
Speaker 2: out to me, and I'm surprised that he hasn't been
Speaker 2: overthrown almost as a result of this. But here's an
Speaker 2: insight into the guy. I don't know if you caught
Speaker 2: up with this, but he was doing an interview and
Speaker 2: he was evoking the spirit of London during the blitz,
Speaker 2: and he pointed to his own family's sacrifice amid the blood, toil,
Speaker 2: tears and sweat of his nation. And you know what
Speaker 2: his sacrifice was. It was the second postponement of his
Speaker 2: son's wedding, with all that people have gone through, the
Speaker 2: families of the hostages and the families of the bereaved
Speaker 2: all there and talking about how his wife is a
Speaker 2: hero for having to deal with this postponement of the wedding.
Speaker 2: The guy's are complete narcissistic douche, isn't he.
Speaker 5: I mean it's amazing really when you see that, you know,
Speaker 5: with Iran's reputation and you know, as I say, human rights,
Speaker 5: you know, I'd never really seen a situation where I
Speaker 5: could see people sort of siding with Iran. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, Nita, who's done a pretty extraordinary job of things,
Speaker 5: when that's the situation that he's creating. But it's just
Speaker 5: a mess. I mean, I don't have a great deal
Speaker 5: of faith in Donald Trump, but I guess, you know,
Speaker 5: as Peter said it, I mean he's quite a chaotic
Speaker 5: person and he might just blunder into a solution. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think we just all have to hope that that's
Speaker 5: what happens.
Speaker 2: Look, one of the things I do sort of approve
Speaker 2: of with Trump is he doesn't like wars. When he's
Speaker 2: he did say no new wars and then to finish,
Speaker 2: we know he's not going to affect.
Speaker 5: You Ukraine, but he's the anti war president, doesn't he
Speaker 5: doesn't want to waste money on wars.
Speaker 2: So here's the two weeks, some sort of window where
Speaker 2: he helps something I work at South eas the two
Speaker 2: weeks so he can go and check out exactly how
Speaker 2: much is base or opposed to him being involved in it.
Speaker 2: But if they want to bust these nuclear these nuclear facilities,
Speaker 2: then then Israel do need that magic, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to call it magic, but the bunker buster.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only people who have got the technology for that,
Speaker 3: I think are the Americans. Yeah, so if you're going
Speaker 3: to hit that it's way up in the mountains there,
Speaker 3: then you can need the Americans.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The simple question, guys is are you worried that this
Speaker 2: is going to get bigger and bigger in a way
Speaker 2: that's really going to make us feel fearful for the
Speaker 2: way things are going blow?
Speaker 5: Yes, and whatever happens, New Zealand should stay out of it.
Speaker 2: Pete.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I I don't have a sense for
Speaker 3: all of the alarmists sort of talk about this is
Speaker 3: the beginning of World War three. No, I don't actually
Speaker 3: think that we're ever going to see a world war
Speaker 3: in the same way that we did in you know,
Speaker 3: nineteen forty through nineteen forty five. Will this extend No,
Speaker 3: probably not even that. Will there be a land invasion, No,
Speaker 3: probably not.
Speaker 2: It's all drones and missiles, isn't it. Yeah. Oh well, well,
Speaker 2: of course Israelis said that. You know that the pager
Speaker 2: thing that they the pager thing they pulled off, remember
Speaker 2: that page? Oh yeah, they said they've got something coming
Speaker 2: later in the week or something. I've been like, well,
Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see what that is. Anyway, Look,
Speaker 2: let's move away from that because all of it depressing,
Speaker 2: isn't it, But just onto the local politics side of things.
Speaker 2: And the reason I put this in it are you worried,
Speaker 2: both of you about the standards of parliament slipping when
Speaker 2: it comes to language. So Deborah Russell has apologized for
Speaker 2: swearing at David Seymour. She said she said the F
Speaker 2: word or something and he asked her what she said,
Speaker 2: so she actually said it out loud. And there's been
Speaker 2: this question about are we worried about the standards of
Speaker 2: parliament slipping? And should swearing? Does it really matter? And
Speaker 2: I mean I would say yes, Actually if the one
Speaker 2: place where you've got to try and keep the standards up,
Speaker 2: no matter how pure off, has at least stopped the
Speaker 2: potty mouth stuff, Are you worried about it?
Speaker 5: Irene?
Speaker 4: Not really.
Speaker 5: I love swearing, no, but I'm.
Speaker 2: A terrible swearer. But you're not doing it now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can regulate, but I do love swearing. It's
Speaker 5: a very rich part of language. And I mean in
Speaker 5: this case, I mean, this was something that's someone said
Speaker 5: under their breath and no one would even have known.
Speaker 5: It was just David Seymour said what did you say?
Speaker 5: And I mean Seymour was just he's being cheeky. I
Speaker 5: mean he's very he's got a very provocative style and politics,
Speaker 5: and so yeah, he provokes people, then they swear, and
Speaker 5: then he makes it, you know, gets all holier than
Speaker 5: there about the fact that they swore it, and it's like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, okay, hello. So no, I don't care that
Speaker 5: much personally, but it should be I mean, the rules
Speaker 5: are there and all of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should we should stick to that role and say
Speaker 2: no swearing because language is just language in a way.
Speaker 2: But I just think that imagine if swearing was tolerated
Speaker 2: in parliament, though it would be a free for all,
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be fantastic.
Speaker 5: I think we should one day a week where it's allowed.
Speaker 3: Look, I couldn't disagree with water and this is coming
Speaker 3: from me sitting on you know. It's the sort of
Speaker 3: language and discourse and analysis and insight that you might
Speaker 3: have with a bunch of muppets sitting around on a
Speaker 3: building site. Right, with the gross respect to my colleagues,
Speaker 3: but every now and then, I suppose for me what
Speaker 3: I still want from Parliament is that I want to
Speaker 3: feel that they're better than me.
Speaker 5: I do luck, I know, I know, but that's what I.
Speaker 3: Want, right if I'm going to elect somebody, I want
Speaker 3: to feel that they are better than me, more able,
Speaker 3: more insightful, more passionate, brainy or whatever. And so I
Speaker 3: don't I really despise the fact that when I'm listening
Speaker 3: to Parliament you hear a story like this. It's the
Speaker 3: sort of it's pure right, it's the sort of conversation
Speaker 3: that we might have at the pub or something like
Speaker 3: that amongst mates, but it's not the language of the
Speaker 3: highest court in the land where they make really important
Speaker 3: decisions that impact on our lives. I want them to
Speaker 3: be better than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Iran, I agree. I'm with you, And I just
Speaker 2: think it reminds me of that from Cabaret or something
Speaker 2: whatever happened to class.
Speaker 5: They're the swearing, I mean, this kind of really rich,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of intelligent language swearing you know, it
Speaker 5: is the swearing of Shakespeare. I think if we have
Speaker 5: some intelligent people in Parliament, which I assume we do,
Speaker 5: you know, some of them might be fantastic swear as
Speaker 5: it might be fabulous. I mean, you know, David Longie
Speaker 5: was pretty good on the.
Speaker 2: Words, but I don't think he ever had to swear.
Speaker 2: That's the thing though, I mean, it's it's just the
Speaker 2: context of Parliament.
Speaker 3: Oh look, I swear all the time, right, It's it's
Speaker 3: something I will well, no, actually I don't care in
Speaker 3: the sense that in the right environment with people that
Speaker 3: I know and all the rest of it, that to
Speaker 3: be fair, I don't often swear in but you know,
Speaker 3: in the setting, right, I still I do want them
Speaker 3: to be taking it seriously and a casual sort of
Speaker 3: what the slightly Actually.
Speaker 2: I have never I don't think I've heard you swear,
Speaker 2: even when you've come in and you know.
Speaker 3: We've only met for a couple of minutes, and it
Speaker 3: was the ear was blue and here from a.
Speaker 5: Farm to a newspaper newsroom, getting working in television. What
Speaker 5: hope was there for my language? No?
Speaker 2: Not much, I guess anyway. Oh look, anyway, I just
Speaker 2: thought it's always worth it. It's interesting that the way
Speaker 2: people can use language as well, because there's sometimes when
Speaker 2: I'm doing talk back, somebody actually let rip a bad word,
Speaker 2: one of the really bad ones. But the way they
Speaker 2: said it, it was a slip of the tongue and
Speaker 2: it just it just they just tripped over it. And
Speaker 2: I almost didn't notice it that I said, oh, I
Speaker 2: think somebody said a naughty word there, and there wasn't
Speaker 2: a single murmur raised because no one found the context
Speaker 2: where if somebody comes on and uses the word bloody,
Speaker 2: which is pretty harmless, but they use it aggressively, after
Speaker 2: a while, I'll be like, can you just lay back
Speaker 2: on the B words? I mean one or two things
Speaker 2: you vok, just you know, vary it a little bit. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Look now, just on a bit of positive news. I
Speaker 2: don't really get too much caught up in this, but
Speaker 2: GDP is growing at zero point eight, which is slightly
Speaker 2: larger than the expected zero point seven. I guess it's
Speaker 2: nice to have a bit of good news.
Speaker 5: But hasn't it gone down since this was going to
Speaker 5: come down? Yeah, this is this is the first bit
Speaker 5: of the year. It's kind of it might have been
Speaker 5: good news then, but I think it's kind of old
Speaker 5: news now, I must.
Speaker 2: Say, I, for the first time, have started to notice
Speaker 2: the cost of living. It's been a delayed reaction for
Speaker 2: me with different things like insurance and health insurance. I'm like, hell, I.
Speaker 5: Think it's still very very hard out there.
Speaker 2: In terms of the average pun to how we're feeling.
Speaker 5: It's really tough. I think, yeah, And there's a lot
Speaker 5: of sectors, you know, really struggling. So I mean, it'd
Speaker 5: be nice to think there's some good news, but it.
Speaker 3: Feels like it's patchy. Had a couple of days at
Speaker 3: field Days last Friday Saturday. Again there was there was
Speaker 3: some people who were incredibly positive, like from a trading
Speaker 3: point of view. They'd set up their stands, they had
Speaker 3: people in the door, they made contacts and maybe they'd
Speaker 3: made sales or they had really strong, sort of pre
Speaker 3: qualified leads and were feeling really optimistic. Other people it
Speaker 3: was a bit ho hum, and for some it was like, actually,
Speaker 3: we're going to walk it way from here. This having
Speaker 3: cost us money.
Speaker 2: Really, because I think that they did do an increase
Speaker 2: quite a reasonable increase in trade, didn't they because of
Speaker 2: the new rules aband accelerated depreciation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty sort of thing. Yeah, and then suddenly the
Speaker 3: old text thing came up with a fringe benefit text,
Speaker 3: but that apparently has already been written off. That was
Speaker 3: that was actually stuff.
Speaker 2: Those tractors are quite there are some pretty slash looking
Speaker 2: bit of cat Do you wish you had an excuse
Speaker 2: to buy one?
Speaker 3: I tell you what. And here's the towny and me
Speaker 3: revealing myself. So I'm chatting to a guy there and
Speaker 3: he goes, look the way we look at tractors is
Speaker 3: it's one thousand dollars a horse power. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. What an insightful What it's one
Speaker 3: thousand dollars per horse power? So you're looking at a tractor,
Speaker 3: it's two hundred and twenty horsepower. It's a it's going
Speaker 3: to roughly cost you turn in twenty grand.
Speaker 2: I don't really the reference point.
Speaker 3: And the townes this is news to us.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I've been I got something popped
Speaker 2: up and this is completely unrelated, but I've got to
Speaker 2: mention it because it popped up in my YouTube feed.
Speaker 2: These guys who go around rescuing rusted old bulldozers that
Speaker 2: have been left and one that have been had trees
Speaker 2: growing up in the middle.
Speaker 3: There'll be diesel days.
Speaker 2: That's a day, I'll tell you what you watch. You
Speaker 2: start to watch it and you cannot stop watching as
Speaker 2: he gradually gets this thing going and then drives it
Speaker 2: away its offsider. I can't remember I've only seen one,
Speaker 2: so it two of them. You'll be hocked. Okay, there
Speaker 2: you go, people quickly reaching for diesel days. Anyway, that
Speaker 2: is quite addictive viewing twenty six past three will be
Speaker 2: back in a teach Newstalks. It'd be welcome back to
Speaker 2: the weekend collective Onton Beverage. My panelist today a Pete
Speaker 2: wolf Camp and Irene Gardener. Now, Irena, you're going to
Speaker 2: miss filling out your senses now that it's been that
Speaker 2: the plug's being pulled on.
Speaker 5: That we always just make a joke about that. John
Speaker 5: in for song, you fill out my sensus anyway, Moving
Speaker 5: right along, No, I probably won't miss it. And I
Speaker 5: guess it's kind of inevitable that maybe is time because
Speaker 5: it just seemed to be having a lot of problems.
Speaker 5: It didn't seem to work to move it into the
Speaker 5: online world, but it seemed archaic to not be in
Speaker 5: the online world.
Speaker 2: And people not filling it out.
Speaker 5: Yes, so maybe we can. I mean, it looks like
Speaker 5: we're going to try and get the data of a
Speaker 5: variety of other ways. If that can work, then great.
Speaker 5: If it doesn't work and we do feel like we are,
Speaker 5: you know, not having the data we need, then I
Speaker 5: guess we might have to look at it again. But
Speaker 5: I can kind of see why this might be the case.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I just think that. Initially my reaction was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a big call, and then I heard the explainer
Speaker 2: how they can basically get data from data data. That's
Speaker 2: the biggest controversy. How do you say that word? From
Speaker 2: a bunch of agencies, they can work out what we're
Speaker 2: earning because they can see the inland revenue and there's
Speaker 2: and there's so much data to be gained simply within
Speaker 2: the fact that we are becoming more and more data centric.
Speaker 2: Data is king, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It feels like it's that kind of a movement from
Speaker 3: a paper age to a digital age. So in that sense,
Speaker 3: shouldn't be surprised. I guess to your point, Irean, the
Speaker 3: concern would be, will there be a gap in the information?
Speaker 3: And I know some people who I'm not sure if
Speaker 3: they use census data, but they're involved in sort of
Speaker 3: trying to predict population growth and where there might be
Speaker 3: needs for schools and those sorts of things in the future.
Speaker 3: If they felt that they were not getting the information
Speaker 3: they needed in order to be able to forecast for growth,
Speaker 3: then that would be a shame. So if there ends
Speaker 3: up being a gap, that's bad. The census was also
Speaker 3: phenomenally expensive.
Speaker 2: Like forty getting ridiculous.
Speaker 3: A year, and then they wanted seventy million for the
Speaker 3: next one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing that made me relax about it was
Speaker 2: that the acting government statistician and chief executive of Stats
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, I think her name's Mary Craig, and
Speaker 2: I think I saw a I'm not going to attribute
Speaker 2: the quote to her, but I saw her saying basically,
Speaker 2: she thought it was great news. And so if the
Speaker 2: statisticians are happy, then then I'm happy. I can't remember
Speaker 2: the last time I filled out I must have done
Speaker 2: the last one, but I would have done it on,
Speaker 2: would have done it online? Would I?
Speaker 5: Well, hopefully yes, I follow through with all this stuff that.
Speaker 3: You got the letter and you got the code and
Speaker 3: then you get into the code and then you could
Speaker 3: do it online.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't remember, but it would have been back
Speaker 2: in I don't know when it was. Was it in
Speaker 2: COVID times? I can't remember our staff to anyway, Now,
Speaker 2: melatonin sleep medication is still going to be available over
Speaker 2: the counter. Look, you can get it overseas. I'd been
Speaker 2: into a few homy alpathy shops where people say, oh,
Speaker 2: we've got melotonin here. I was like, does that mean
Speaker 2: you've diluted it one in one hundred and thirty times.
Speaker 3: And chose me twice a much?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And she's like, yeah, that's the one. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you mean yeah. Anyway, I from hosting the Health hud
Speaker 2: where a guy called Alex Bartley is a slip stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't hear that predicted that. He probably said, don't
Speaker 2: get carried away with it because you shouldn't be relying
Speaker 2: on you know, I'm guessing.
Speaker 3: I listened to the interview. Actually, I was doing some
Speaker 3: work at home, and what was this point that basically
Speaker 3: by using it you get about six minutes more sleep,
Speaker 3: and he's going, well, I can give you that with
Speaker 3: some decent sleep therapy, so he doesn't prescribe it. Was
Speaker 3: what I picked up from the interview.
Speaker 2: Would you. I mean, I think I'd be tempted if
Speaker 2: I got it to maybe use it after a couple
Speaker 2: of overnights the night after, so maybe to see if
Speaker 2: I felt a little bit out of whack. But how's
Speaker 2: your sleep, Irene.
Speaker 5: I'm a terrible sleeper, actually, and I've tried malatone and
Speaker 5: it didn't make any difference whatsoever to me. I need
Speaker 5: something slightly stronger to knock.
Speaker 2: Me out the scotch.
Speaker 5: But I have no issue, you know, with it being
Speaker 5: available if it helps some people. You know.
Speaker 2: The thing that the fascinating thing about what I've learned
Speaker 2: through through Alex is basically the most important thing you
Speaker 2: can do is during the day, get outside and get
Speaker 2: the get the blue light, get daylight, absorb it. Through
Speaker 2: that that creates serotonin, which later on in the lights
Speaker 2: go down, converts to melotone, and that's what helps you
Speaker 2: get sleepy. So there you go. If you do have
Speaker 2: trouble sleeping and you hang around all doors and doors
Speaker 2: all day, there might be part of your problem. But look,
Speaker 2: you know, if it helps a few people, that's all
Speaker 2: good as far as I'm concerned. Hey, look, this next
Speaker 2: one is I mentioned it because so Captain Cook's ship,
Speaker 2: the HMN HMS Endeavor. It's been a rumor about where
Speaker 2: it has been resting, and it's finally been confirmed that
Speaker 2: they've found it off the off Rhode Island, the wreck
Speaker 2: of it, which is actually quite.
Speaker 3: A fantastic story. It's an incredible story.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. It was covered by Fox News,
Speaker 2: The Independent, gb News, MSN, Telegraph, CBS, Daily Mail. I'm
Speaker 2: running at New York Post News dot com, dot Au,
Speaker 2: the Times, et cetera, et cetera, and a website called
Speaker 2: wood Central, which I just love.
Speaker 3: When you finished with the diesels, you can get onto
Speaker 3: the wood.
Speaker 2: No major news outlets covered in here, which I do
Speaker 2: think are we so racked with sort of stigmer and
Speaker 2: guilt that we can't even mention we found Captain Cook's ship.
Speaker 5: It didn't get some media coverage yere because I knew
Speaker 5: about it so much.
Speaker 2: That was when it was rumored a few months ago
Speaker 2: in February. There was a bit of coverage about we
Speaker 2: think we found about.
Speaker 5: There was also some There was some now, just not
Speaker 5: a lot, not as much as you might have expected.
Speaker 5: And I don't know why that was. I mean, maybe
Speaker 5: it is that we don't feel very comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what it is. I think that
Speaker 2: everyone starts hand ringing and it's like, oh, there was
Speaker 2: a story of a walker that the remnants of a
Speaker 2: walker that was found on chattam Mantes, which is fascinating,
Speaker 2: and everyone covered it and it's like, well, here's Captain
Speaker 2: Cox's ship. We finally know where it is. I would
Speaker 2: have just surprised me that I had to find out
Speaker 2: from the Telegraph about it because I subscribed to them
Speaker 2: as like, what do you mean we found the endeavor? Oh,
Speaker 2: I'll go to our websites. No, no, you know.
Speaker 3: Any talk and what they're gonna do with it? Well,
Speaker 3: let's stay there.
Speaker 2: Ah, I guess So what do you do with a
Speaker 2: what do you do with a shipwreck? I mean, actually,
Speaker 2: what do they do with that waka when they found it?
Speaker 2: Because it was just a few shards of woard, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: You know that's been taken away from conservations still on
Speaker 3: the island as best I understand it, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know it there's those stories overseas. Oh,
Speaker 3: you know King Henry's ship that was lifted up the
Speaker 3: one that the vasa that fell over in the harbor
Speaker 3: outside Stockholm. Those sorts of things, they've been returned to
Speaker 3: dry Land. There's a fascinating museum Maritime Museum and Perth
Speaker 3: that's got remains of early Dutch sailing ships that sunk
Speaker 3: there as well.
Speaker 2: Because I actually find that era of the old sailing
Speaker 2: ships I think quite fascinating. Just the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: and the circumnavigation of the world and these old craft
Speaker 2: navigating news and just you know, sextants and watching the
Speaker 2: stars and all that, it still blows me away. Whereas
Speaker 2: these days if you're you know, you've got your GPS
Speaker 2: and you know exactly we are within a square meter,
Speaker 2: it's quite the changes have to get lost. Anyway, there
Speaker 2: as always a great story just that we'd mentioned that folks,
Speaker 2: So if you if you're curious about it, you can
Speaker 2: go and check some media overseas to find out about
Speaker 2: that story. I eight hundred. Well, no, what am I
Speaker 2: saying eight hundred? It sounds like a talkback show. Sorry,
Speaker 2: that was just a reflex. We'll be back in just
Speaker 2: a moment. My panelists Pete wolf Camp and Irene Gardner's
Speaker 2: News Talks he'd be. It is twenty three minutes to four. Yes,
Speaker 2: welcome back to the Weekend Collective. Untim Beverage and my
Speaker 2: guests on the panel today are Pete wolf Camp, the
Speaker 2: resident Builder, and broad and brought us. She's a producer,
Speaker 2: journalist and actually I mentioned this President of the New
Speaker 2: Zealand Screen Producers Guild because Irene Gardner, I can. I've
Speaker 2: got a confession as part of this topic. So when
Speaker 2: I heard that the there was announcement that the new
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings movie would be shot in New Zealand,
Speaker 2: set to release in twenty twenty seven, I did think,
Speaker 2: oh God, I'm so Overlord of the Rings. But it's
Speaker 2: good news for the film industry, isn't it. Ops, Let's
Speaker 2: just turn it. Let's just turn your microphone on there.
Speaker 5: It's really good news for the screen industry. But probably
Speaker 5: more than that, it's really good news for the New
Speaker 5: Zealand economy because it will bring a lot of money
Speaker 5: into New Zealand. It's early days. I don't think this
Speaker 5: story was really meant to come out. I think Andy Serkis,
Speaker 5: who plays golum and is going to direct this film.
Speaker 5: I think he just talked about it in overseas interviewing
Speaker 5: it and start as well, yeah, well yes he's going
Speaker 5: to be Golam again, because this is about Golum, because
Speaker 5: this is the Lord of Rings moving into obviously that
Speaker 5: phase where they're just doing sort of you know, one off,
Speaker 5: you know, themes and connections and yeah, sir Peter's producing this,
Speaker 5: not directing it. But yeah, it will bring a huge
Speaker 5: budget into New Zealand and it will provide work for
Speaker 5: screen industry people. And more importantly, I think because we
Speaker 5: re we sort of got the Lord of the Rings
Speaker 5: Hobbit connection back briefly with the Amazon TV series and
Speaker 5: then unfortunately it unexpectedly left here after one series. So
Speaker 5: this brings New Zealand back to the Hobbit Lord of
Speaker 5: the Rings connection, which, while I know some people get
Speaker 5: very tired of this, it is really good for our
Speaker 5: international tourism. With a lot of people, it's the New
Speaker 5: Zealand is most known.
Speaker 2: I tell you what. Somebody a friend of mine went
Speaker 2: to see Hobbit and Madamatter and was I mean the
Speaker 2: people who owned that farmland, I mean that was just
Speaker 2: just cutching. But the number of visitors that have it,
Speaker 2: it's huge. Here's a hot take. You know how we
Speaker 2: get different people playing different roles in movies and somebody
Speaker 2: reinterprets a.
Speaker 5: Role, so it had many Batman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Batman, Superman, all those sorts of things. James Bond,
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, I've seen enough of Andy
Speaker 2: Serkis's Golum. I would have loved to have seen a
Speaker 2: recasting of the role and see someone do it differently,
Speaker 2: because it's just going to feel like groundhog Dacks. They
Speaker 2: got precious and just I don't know. I just great
Speaker 2: that he's directing it, but I just I would be
Speaker 2: more tempted to see it if there was some new
Speaker 2: actor with a new, sinister interpretation of that.
Speaker 3: Guy who played Golm in the musical.
Speaker 2: Did you see that the Lord of the Mount was he?
Speaker 5: Was he from here or from the world?
Speaker 3: I'm not I think from somewhere out in the world.
Speaker 2: Wow, from out in the world.
Speaker 3: Just extraordinary, unbelieved.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm sorry, I think I think Andy as the
Speaker 5: director is probably to cast himself. I mean, I don't
Speaker 5: think we recasting the film.
Speaker 2: This is not going to make its way back to
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I just you're off the Christmas card, Yes,
Speaker 2: actually just but tell us how big a deal is this,
Speaker 2: and you make that you make the right point. Of course,
Speaker 2: we lost the mini series which went by the series
Speaker 2: that went elsewhere, But you know this and people do
Speaker 2: have a discomfort with film companies sort of being beneficiaries
Speaker 2: with this rebate receiving money. But net it's yeah, it's a.
Speaker 5: Really tricky one for us. I often find myself sort of,
Speaker 5: you know, having to explain this because it sounds like, well,
Speaker 5: why are we just taking tax payer money and giving
Speaker 5: it to you know, Hollywood lovees. But it's really not that.
Speaker 5: It's a percentage rebate back and basically all the stats
Speaker 5: show that for every dollar that we put in in
Speaker 5: the rebate percentage money, we get about six or seven
Speaker 5: dollars back into the economy. So because it's you know,
Speaker 5: it's twenty percent of the budget, so it's it is
Speaker 5: really really good for the New Zealand economy as well
Speaker 5: as the screen industry. But the point I do always
Speaker 5: balance that with is because you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: our members are producers of domestic content, and domestic content
Speaker 5: is really struggling at the moment because the streamers have
Speaker 5: just so utterly killed TV advertising revenue, and so it
Speaker 5: is really important in New Zealand that you try to
Speaker 5: keep the domestic and the international parts of the sector
Speaker 5: strong enough because they sort of need and feed each other.
Speaker 5: And so our issue at the moment International is reasonably
Speaker 5: strong at the moment. It could be stronger, It could
Speaker 5: always be stronger, but domestics really challenged at the moment.
Speaker 5: So it's a balance.
Speaker 2: Well, and we'd be relieved to have this announcement because
Speaker 2: there is the uncertainty of it around whether Trump is
Speaker 2: going to punish Hollywood for filming its films elsewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that seems to have sort of just fade out, dissipated.
Speaker 5: He does it occasionally, doesn't he w. He just says
Speaker 5: some sort of weird think on social media, and then
Speaker 5: he realizes it's completely impractical, and it just sort of
Speaker 5: quietly fades away. And I mean, you know, I don't
Speaker 5: want to jinx it, but I think it might have
Speaker 5: just quietly faded away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess it might. Ambivalence to it doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter at all, because the Lord of the rings
Speaker 2: industry and the interest in those in that trilogy and
Speaker 2: the Hobbit is it's colossal globally. It's a bit like
Speaker 2: in the I mean, this is a poor it's a
Speaker 2: poor comparison, but it's like in the opera world, you
Speaker 2: couldn't pay me to see Wagner, but Wagner is going
Speaker 2: to be going forever. And maybe there's Lord of the
Speaker 2: Rings the film version of that. It's just on a
Speaker 2: slightly bigger scale, of course.
Speaker 5: I mean, people do get quite cheeky about you know,
Speaker 5: the whole we know we're not hobbits in New Zealand
Speaker 5: is not you know, but I've just noticed when I'm
Speaker 5: traveling that it is for a lot of internationals. It's
Speaker 5: what they know in New Zealand for so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, good news, good news even actually yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I'll move on, We'll move on the topic. Wise,
Speaker 2: he I was almost unsure about where that to cover this,
Speaker 2: but the news today are brand tomickis and the news
Speaker 2: again protesting against foreign religions in New Zealand. He's letter
Speaker 2: leading as a letter march down Queen Street, proclaiming the
Speaker 2: spread of non Christian religions is now out of control.
Speaker 2: I don't know what what is this. I don't know
Speaker 2: what his point is. Given the tragedy we've seen unfolding
Speaker 2: splentary What what the hell? Brian? What's it all about?
Speaker 5: Is he he's just trying to get attention and unfortunately
Speaker 5: we're not giving it to him.
Speaker 2: Well ye, not with any sense of approval, of.
Speaker 5: Course, but you know, he's just.
Speaker 3: He's got to be a little bit worried about the
Speaker 3: numbers though, because to be fair, you know, go back
Speaker 3: a couple of years and a rally like that with
Speaker 3: his faithful tagging along would have got bigger numbers than
Speaker 3: that five hundred. That's not a lot of people. I'm
Speaker 3: actually looking at that going actually, you know what, I
Speaker 3: don't have the support that I thought that I had,
Speaker 3: and thankfully so do.
Speaker 5: You think that's true? Do you think his sport is
Speaker 5: going down significantly? Got more extreme, hasn't he over the
Speaker 5: last few years? And so yeah, probably people are to know.
Speaker 2: I wonder what Jesus would make of Brian Tomacky soon.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't call him the bishop.
Speaker 2: No, and he but I imagine he wouldn't swear either,
Speaker 2: And we don't have to leave that up to Irene.
Speaker 5: I'm a sweet word, isn't it anyway?
Speaker 2: Oh well, there we go. Look we'll be back in
Speaker 2: just a moment. This is the Weekend Collective. My panelists
Speaker 2: Iron Gardner and Pete wolf Camp. It is coming up
Speaker 2: to twelve minutes to four news talks. He'd be yes,
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My panelists are Iron
Speaker 2: Gardner and Pete wolf Camp. Now we've got the big
Speaker 2: cruise that is Chiefs Final. We're going to preview that
Speaker 2: with our with Christopher Red before the end of the show. Guys,
Speaker 2: but the cow bells being banned. Look, this has been
Speaker 2: flogged to death this issue. Just want your quick take.
Speaker 2: Were they right to ban the cow bells? Would you
Speaker 2: take a cow bell? If you were a Chief supporter?
Speaker 2: Do you love them, hate them, loathe them? Who's going
Speaker 2: to win? Pete?
Speaker 3: Look, I just think good. You know, if you're a
Speaker 3: wake out a supporter and you want to go to
Speaker 3: the game with a cow bell, knock yourself out. If
Speaker 3: you're the person that's running the Canterbury Stadium, you want
Speaker 3: to give every advantage to your team, so of course
Speaker 3: you'd ban them. Good Old Party thought.
Speaker 5: About it like that. I thought it was genuine that
Speaker 5: they thank you and could knock someone out.
Speaker 3: It's not a helpful, but.
Speaker 5: I believe people are going to just do the cow
Speaker 5: bell ring on their phone.
Speaker 2: Felt it to be honest, because a real cowbell makes
Speaker 2: quite a noise. I loathe them. Even when I was
Speaker 2: cheering for the Chiefs back in the days when I
Speaker 2: lived and they have plenty. I even if someone I
Speaker 2: was like, I shut that bloody thing up. I think,
Speaker 2: if you want to cheer for your team, gee, how
Speaker 2: do we cheer for our team? You open your you
Speaker 2: open your mouth, you get your lungs full, and you
Speaker 2: make a noise, hutting mulu whatever the fact that you
Speaker 2: have to bring our cowbell along.
Speaker 5: I just, oh god, Rolling Stone song has got that
Speaker 5: really great cow bell intro is Hony Tong.
Speaker 2: Oh no, actually no, we're thinking of that sketch with
Speaker 2: Christopher Walken on Saturday Night Live where it's like more
Speaker 2: cow bell. If you want to have a laugh, people,
Speaker 2: please do go, Please do go and look at look
Speaker 2: at the look for the sketch more Cowbell with Christopher Walken.
Speaker 2: Because they're doing this it's very funny and Jimmy Fallon
Speaker 2: in the background is struggling to keep a straight face.
Speaker 2: Very funny. Lucky last the just well, by the way,
Speaker 2: who's going to win who's going to win?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to say.
Speaker 5: I'll say the opposite, so that we've.
Speaker 3: A balanced pannel to two dogs.
Speaker 2: In the We'll save that one to all Christopher Reeves
Speaker 2: when they accorded a single of interest. Now the other
Speaker 2: big just quickly, the other big sports story is was
Speaker 2: it a big? It was a bit of a surprise
Speaker 2: to hear that Pete Berling. Now he's not with Tea
Speaker 2: New Zealand. We knew that, and I guess we would
Speaker 2: assume that people would be seeking his services. And obviously
Speaker 2: Lunarosa have have come up with the possibly the best
Speaker 2: of the big, the biggest, number seven figures. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's going to be able to sail, but he's going, yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you Reckonpete?
Speaker 3: Look, he's on the open market, isn't he? And with
Speaker 3: that reputation, why wouldn't you go and trade your wares
Speaker 3: to the highest bidder?
Speaker 2: Fair enough your passionate? Were you into the America's Cup
Speaker 2: at all?
Speaker 5: I think it's real shame to lose him, and it's
Speaker 5: interesting because maybe it's just the different way it's happened.
Speaker 5: But remember how roasted Russell kotzk for you know, like
Speaker 5: he was a trader and he was and it doesn't
Speaker 5: seem to be happening with this.
Speaker 2: Look no, I think, of course we have all I
Speaker 2: think we've grown. Yeah, no, actually I think we have.
Speaker 2: We have matured in our attitude to think. And it
Speaker 2: is a professional sport. He's entitled to go where the
Speaker 2: money is. I'm sure Team New Zealand, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: well be they would have expected this as well, and
Speaker 2: they'll be doing their best to make sure that they
Speaker 2: can win the Cup back. And it's going to be
Speaker 2: interesting though, because if it ends up being a lunar ross,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just going to make It's going
Speaker 2: to add a bit more fresson to it, isn't it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, how it's going to play out. But hopefully
Speaker 2: he's not so useful that they beat us, because I
Speaker 2: don't think I really want to see Luna Russell win anyway. Anyway, Hey,
Speaker 2: look guys, thank you so much, Irene. Lovely to see
Speaker 2: you've got any other plans for the Mataiki weekend.
Speaker 5: Not really. I went to Live Rust last night. That
Speaker 5: was great. They show the Neil Young Oh yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: so that was great, But no quiet weekend now, Lovely.
Speaker 3: And Pete, Oh, I'll do that a bit of a
Speaker 3: workout this afternoon. No, I'll come back and do some
Speaker 3: work in the morning. I had nice Mutteriki dinner actually
Speaker 3: at the school the other day. We had a Mutteriki
Speaker 3: festival school for dinner. That's great.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks thanks for coming in guys, Lovely to see you.
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Speaker 2: where the real estate market's at. Because core Logic now
Speaker 2: known as Totality, a bit of a name change there.
Speaker 2: They have protected by twenty thirty the real value of
Speaker 2: the real estate market's going to be about down about
Speaker 2: twenty percent if I read that right, So we'll dig
Speaker 2: into that as well. Debbie Roberts is next. It's three
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