1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: global exposure like no other. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: Jactating from Saturday mornings on Newstork's A B and Sarah 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Trumpman from Business Mentors join me. Holl the guys killed up? 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: Oh I sorry, Sarah? Are you there? 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 3: I sure am? 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: And that's very good. So Judith Collins told off the 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: public service? What did you make of it? 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: Jack? 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 4: Look? I think flu is entirely right. I think there 11 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 4: was probably an element of political theater involved in Judith 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 4: Colins statements. And when it comes to political theater, there 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 4: are a few masters of greater talent than Judith Collins. 14 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 4: That being said, at the core of the message, I 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 4: think our entirely reasonable points. Yes, I think sometimes the 16 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 4: public service can get a bit grandiose in some of 17 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 4: its language, and especially given the current fiscal conditions we 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 4: all face, economic conditions we all face. I think it's 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 4: absolutely incumbent public service, public servants speened taxpayer dollars. Wisely, 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: that being seen, I don't think there are too many 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 4: recent examples, at least during this term and government, of 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 4: you know, gross spending from government departments or public service 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: that might raise the ire of the taxpayer. You know, 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: I recall a couple of prime examples in the last 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 4: couple of years from fearwell Who's and celebrations and birthday 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: parties and things where some tens of thousands of dollars 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: well spent. I think that sort of you know, that 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: sort of attitude has been stamped out. Probably wasn't terribly 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: widespread to begin with, but yeah, I think most public 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 4: servants are probably on board with the minister's comments. They 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 4: probably didn't need the reminder. I think that's for the 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: rest of us. 33 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: Well, what do you think, Sarah I actually thought when 34 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 2: I was listening to Flur, I thought, oh gosh, she's 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: she's saying no all the way through that there was 36 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: a lack of humility that you know, she believed that 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: her point of view was more important than the ministers. 38 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: What do you think? 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: Not to be honest, I found myself getting a bit 40 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: irritated with her the more she spoke. And you know, 41 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 3: to Jack's point, with respect, if somebody's throwing a thirty 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: thousand dollar farewell for a CEO and they think it's okay, 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: one wonders about the culture and an organization. When I 44 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 3: heard JERF Collins warning the public service. I thought, hallelujas, 45 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: here's a politician that understands the blood, sweat and tears 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 3: that goes into making a dollar. But I also noticed 47 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: that she called on the public service to embrace innovation, 48 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: specifically AI, and to be championing high standards and on 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: all for that. But look, I think she's always been 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: a great servant of the people. She's always got the 51 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: people at heart. We the taxpason spends what six billion 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 3: dollars on salaries for people in the public service, as 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: first said, I think it was blurted. That's gone up 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: thirty four percent, and it's got to come back down. 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 3: Many of these people are excellent, but it certainly doesn't 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: hurt to encourage them to spend our money as if 57 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: it's their own. 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Sarah, can I say so? 59 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 4: One thing? I think I think we do like run 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: into danger of turning public servants into the enemy, kind 61 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: of unnecessarily, like turning this cultural that doesn't need to exist. 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: I mean, Jack, I don't know how much you've dealt 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: with them. Some of them are the enemy, some of 64 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: them are actually they've got such a political belief they 65 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: stop stuff. 66 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: I actually, I actually think for the most part so 67 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: that look, there are bad actors in every organization everywhere, 68 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 4: whether it's the private sector or the public sector. I 69 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 4: think for the most part we can be thankful that 70 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 4: in New Zealand we have a relatively politically neutral public service. 71 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's perfect, but I think for the 72 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: most part it's pretty good. And I think for the 73 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: most part, the vast majority of people working in the 74 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 4: public service are not working there because they're expecting to 75 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 4: make millions of dollars or anything like that. 76 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: Off I agree with you on that they are woefully underpaid. 77 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: And if you've got to Singapore they're the highest paid people, 78 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: you know they are woefully underpaid. And if you paid 79 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: Pena to get monkeys. But look, we're going to get 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: on to the big story of the day, which is 81 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: one and it's McDonald's. 82 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the 83 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: Marketing of your Home. 84 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: On the Hell of Jack, Jack Taymer and Sarah Trupman 85 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: and I'm Andrew Dickens. Right. Wonica has told Macas it 86 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: won't be allowed to build a restaurant in the town. 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: We talked to the deputy mayor. He suggested that maybe 88 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: it was a better site. It could be, it could happen. However, 89 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: i've read the decision. I never read any of that 90 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: in there. What did you guys make of the decision? Sarah? 91 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: Oh, look, I wasn't surprised by it. The vast majority 92 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: of those three hundred and fifty submittives and that's quite 93 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 3: a high number for this sort of consultation, they were 94 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: opposed to it. But I do wonder about it. I think, yes, 95 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: the commissioners do need to consider the district plan. These 96 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 3: things are usually widely consulted on. But for me, I 97 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: wondered where are where the property rights sit in the 98 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: priority of things? And I also thought it was interesting 99 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: that McDonald's spent more than a year navigating the arima, 100 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: making major concessions throughout the process. And you've got to 101 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: wonder what sort of message we're sending on the ease 102 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 3: of doing business in New Zealand. 103 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: Jack, I reckon, you're a keen tramp and you've got 104 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: the mountains, and boy, there's nothing like a quarter pounder 105 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: when you've come down from mount to spill. 106 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: Far be it from me to jump on the side 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 4: of the big fast food franchisers. In fact, I think 108 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 4: it's I think it's eighteen years at least since I 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 4: had my last meal from McDonald's Andrew. But I think 110 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 4: with the decision, so the locals raise concerns about the 111 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 4: esthetic essentially right, and McDonald's tried to meet them halfway. 112 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: They said, right, for starters, we won't operate twenty four 113 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 4: hours a day just by the our original plan, or 114 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: reduce the opening hours, and they even reduced the size 115 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: of the golden arches of the logo as far as 116 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 4: I understand it. So I don't know, Like I say, 117 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: far be it from me to come down the side 118 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 4: of the big brands. But I reckon it's a little 119 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: bit snooty. I reckon it's just a little bit snooty. 120 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: You know. Maybe there'll be another opportunity for another operator 121 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: to come in and perhaps McDonald to have another crack 122 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: if they find another location. But yeah, I'm on McDonald's 123 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 4: side on this one. 124 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And here's the thing. Didn't the play minister say 125 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: we've got to stop saying. 126 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: No, Yeah, that's the thing, right. Aren't we all pro 127 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: growth now? Aren't we saying, YaST of these things? Aren't 128 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: we getting sick of how long it takes stuff to 129 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: get through the planning process? I mean, Wonica has that 130 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: classic small town thing. It's the same thing that they 131 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: had in Queenstown over the Hill about twenty years ago. Right. 132 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 4: One of the charms is that it's a really beautiful 133 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: small town in an idyllic location. The problem is that 134 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: you get heaps of New Zealanders who go, hey, here's 135 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: a beautiful small town, idyllic location, let's move here. 136 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: Right. Well, I know, well that the old town is 137 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: like the old town, but the new town, Northlake and 138 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: all that, that's a new town. And there's lots of 139 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: young families who have moved there. There's over thirteen thousand 140 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: people living in the place. The place is coming on 141 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: to being a city, and it's going to be a 142 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: city without a McDonald's and they're going to say they've 143 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: got to McDonald's in Gore, so come on now. Anyway, 144 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: New Zealand has slipped to its worst ever ranking on 145 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: the Least Corruption Country list, and there's conniptions about this 146 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: because we're now in spot number four, which is still 147 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: quite good, or is it not. I don't know. What 148 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: do you think, Sarah. 149 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: I think we should be very worried about it, not 150 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: so much that we sit at number four, but more 151 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: the trend of perception of our integrity trending downwards. We're 152 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: a small country, a long long way away from our 153 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: export markets, and I just don't think we can afford 154 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: to be complacent about the quality of our reputation. And 155 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: I think also, Andrew, one of the things we've got 156 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: to remember is that the CPI isn't reporting the views 157 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: of Joe average. These views are views of thirteen expert organizations. 158 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: And I think also we need to think about the 159 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: fact that two thirds of countries have a score of 160 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: less than fifty out of one hundred, and there are 161 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: billions of dollars of climate thumbs at risk of being 162 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: stolen or miss you within these countries. And you know, 163 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: you just need to look at the last year in 164 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: Climate Change conference and a number of oil and guest 165 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: lobbyists that we're calling all over that. So I think 166 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: this is the biggest news of the day. 167 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: Oh okay, and Jack, Yeah, look, it's serious, right. 168 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: I know you're out of time, Andrew, so I'll just 169 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: say this. I think the ranking doesn't matter so much 170 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 4: as the trend. And actually there are a couple of 171 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 4: areas that we could tidy up in New Zealand that 172 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: make a big difference. Some of the rules around lobbying 173 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: top of the list for me. And if we're trying 174 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: to attract international investment, having a really, really strong reputation 175 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 4: around corruption is absolutely vital because any company or person 176 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 4: that's coming into New Zealand wants to spend money here 177 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 4: developing a business, of developing our opportunity opening a McDonald's 178 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 4: and wonaka, wants to know that they are doing it 179 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 4: on an equal playing field. They don't. They want to 180 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 4: know that there's no one else who's getting a secret advantage. 181 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 4: And that's why I think this is so important. 182 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: Thank you so so much to both of you, that 183 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: is Jack Taman and Sera Trumpman. 184 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 185 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 186 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.