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Speaker 2: Hello you great, you see us. Welcome to mattin Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoons podcast number one hundred and twenty fourth Thursday, the

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Speaker 2: eighth of May. We pivot on the show. You'll hear

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Speaker 2: us tease what we're going to do, but we pivot

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Speaker 2: to whether it's cool or not to be taking pictures

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Speaker 2: of Mark A Lundy. And it's actually a really interesting

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Speaker 2: chat that that sort of sits well in the gray area,

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Speaker 2: and of course, as you can imagine, it goes deep

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Speaker 2: into whether people think people think he's guilty or not.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely been found guilty in the court of law,

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Speaker 2: but some people have questions. So that was fantastic. And look,

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Speaker 2: I love the in depth look into how the new

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Speaker 2: Pope is being selected as well. So I think it

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Speaker 2: was a really interesting show. I think you're going to

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah. The Pope chat Peter Linemen Lineum Professor Peter Linham,

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Speaker 3: absolute legend.

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Speaker 2: He totally is yours. The question are New Zealand's native

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Speaker 2: floor fauna more important than human beings? And look, I

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Speaker 3: Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show. Great

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Speaker 3: to have your company as always on this Thursday afternoon,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning. I've got a great show for you today.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But before we do, before we get to that,

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Speaker 3: Look if we're getting that, that's a great panel.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to getting down there.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that'll be fantastic. Right on too. Today's show after

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Speaker 3: three o'clock going into the family business. So we saw

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Speaker 3: a story about Ronaldo's son. He has just joined Portugal's

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Speaker 2: And is it true that a woman purportedly attempted to

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Speaker 3: Because right now, let's have a chat about a government

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Speaker 3: After some could fuffle with the Mount Messenger bypass project.

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Speaker 3: This was a six k new road in Tartanaki. It

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Speaker 3: was changed after a successful court challenge, so the Minister

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Speaker 2: And the new lord would still require ecological offsets to

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Speaker 2: Should we be more human first in our thinking a

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Speaker 2: Should we just be more human first in all our

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Speaker 2: up with diggers. Yeah, I think the keys would be

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Speaker 3: But it is a fair question that this has long

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Speaker 3: And to try and build any sort of infrastructure in

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Speaker 3: out over that. Should we be really freaking out that much?

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Speaker 3: Over over that situation when it means a new road

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is the bettering The lives of tens of thousands

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Speaker 3: Two kiwis love to hear from you on this one.

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Speaker 3: O eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on it. If you've had a

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Speaker 3: development stop because of this particular bill, give us a buds. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: major infrastructure projects in New Zealand. There was a court

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Speaker 3: challenge to a project in Tartanaki, the Mount Messenger Bypass.

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Speaker 3: As it stood, the status quo was that the NZTA

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Speaker 3: would issue permits to developers that they would make the

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Speaker 3: best efforts to remove protected wildlife that encroached on where

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Speaker 3: the development was happening. But if they accidentally killed a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just asking the question, should we be

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Speaker 2: some ways that you would even consider stopping a project

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Speaker 2: with me. Nope, nope, Not a single kiwi should be displaced,

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Speaker 2: let alone killed for a motorway. Why are we still

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Speaker 2: building roads so people can burn fossil fuels anyway? Actually

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Speaker 2: pretty disgusted the government would not move roads for our fauna.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I mean, so to go on that rationale from

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Speaker 3: have the road in an area which is going to

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Speaker 3: be incredibly hard to build. Yeah, for the sake of

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Speaker 3: a handful of kiwi. Well, it's a hell of an

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of people that are anti road altogether.

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Speaker 2: They just think they should be road at all. I'm

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Speaker 2: reading Steven Joyce's book At the Moment, it's fantastic read actually,

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Speaker 2: and Jesus talks about you know, when you're trying to

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Speaker 2: while ago. But there are some people whose response to

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the more I look into this, you know,

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Speaker 3: the argument to me is the Wildlife Protection Act is

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Speaker 3: And we're very proud of our native wildlife here in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand and our fauna and florna love them. But

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Speaker 3: do we put that do we go to extreme in

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Speaker 2: Because I mean, I love a kiwi, but if it

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Speaker 5: This, yeah, well, basically I'm on in two camps because

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Speaker 5: we can't decimate the animals and it comes down to

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Speaker 2: But would you think that potentially that one point five

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Speaker 6: It kurt, But the ninety eight point five million is

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Speaker 6: But the Greenees can't demand that we dedicate a third

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Speaker 5: Well, this is where they have to have a study,

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Speaker 5: We're down to our last kiwi.

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Speaker 6: Then you can't kill the last kwa in the country.

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Speaker 5: It's proportionate. It's about a legacy.

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Speaker 5: Course they can't give one hundred percent guarantee.

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Speaker 6: If they're running a border four days and through some land.

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Speaker 5: But let's take it the terminus reasonable steps.

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Speaker 6: So if you got someone with a bulldozer coming out

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Speaker 2: If there's someone going around kicking kiwis like football's, then

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all thinking about how does that? What's the optics

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, thank you for you call Simon. I

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The Mike Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Interesting Times in the Parliaments, Brook van Velden featured.

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Speaker 8: However, I do agree with a difference journalist Mike Husking.

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Speaker 2: Waiting till the excitement settles down.

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Speaker 7: It was excitement in the house over the mention of

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Speaker 7: The pay equity issue is never going to be sold.

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Speaker 7: But what's so disingenuous about the labor party is that

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Speaker 7: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, and we're asking the question

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Speaker 3: humans versus wildlife on the back of a bill that

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Speaker 3: the Minister for Conservation wants to push through that would

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Speaker 3: the protected wildlife like keiwe we've used Kiwi as an example,

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Speaker 2: The Cody snail.

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Speaker 3: Yep, the Cody snail.

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Speaker 2: Interesting beast, the Cody snail. It's accountable and also I

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Speaker 3: But anyway, you know a lot about the Cody snail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. That's by the by the giant Cody

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Speaker 2: snail is quite something. I've got a question right on it. Look,

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Speaker 9: I'm probably on the side that I think everything should

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Speaker 9: But just as a side thought, in the UK with motorways,

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Speaker 10: So there's a thought.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty cute.

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Speaker 4: That is very cute.

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Speaker 2: It's a cute I know.

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Speaker 9: How long it would take the code of snail to

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Speaker 3: Tunnel sweeteat little window so people can watch them just

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Speaker 2: It's convincing a snail to use the tunnel and not

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Speaker 9: Maybe it's accidental year then no, But I think we

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Speaker 2: I guess you got ask the question though with snails

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Speaker 2: I've been crunching snails all and I'm like, you idiot snails.

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Speaker 2: Why are there two hundred snails decided to be in

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Speaker 3: It's not like they can get out of the way fast.

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Speaker 2: But my question there if you take it to a

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Speaker 2: And I guess that's what I'm saying when it comes

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Speaker 3: I think it was groundhogs.

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Speaker 3: Soon, But doesn't that go too far that so because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, badges are pretty cool though, I've got to say,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sizable animal.

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Speaker 2: The six says it's bloody ludicrous what they have and

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Speaker 2: The keys aren't going to hang around once they hear

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Speaker 2: good luck trying to find a kiwi. I spent most

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Speaker 2: I've only ever seen I've heard them. I've heard them

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Speaker 2: keyw is going to boost, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't hang around and that circumstance. Oh wait

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty love to hear your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on this one. Humans over wildlife when it comes

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Speaker 2: And here's my question. There's two buttons. The red button

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Speaker 2: kills a human New Zealander you've never met.

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Speaker 12: Ye.

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Speaker 2: The blue button kills every tarka hay that still lives.

435
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Speaker 2: Oh far out the final Tarka Hay in this country?

436
00:21:28,373 --> 00:21:31,493
Speaker 2: What button do you press? The red button kills New

437
00:21:31,573 --> 00:21:34,933
Speaker 2: Zealander you've never met, just going route their business. The

438
00:21:35,293 --> 00:21:38,173
Speaker 2: blue button kills every single Tarka Hay. Which button do

439
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Speaker 2: you press?

440
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Speaker 3: That's a tough one. I really like.

441
00:21:40,173 --> 00:21:41,933
Speaker 2: I think it gets to the root of the question.

442
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Speaker 3: Here can I find any information out about this human

443
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Speaker 3: just just just a few sort of bullet points about

444
00:21:46,813 --> 00:21:50,653
Speaker 3: what they do? You don't know them, nothing, no age, nothing, No.

445
00:21:50,693 --> 00:21:53,613
Speaker 3: That's a tough one. It's not overthink about that. Over

446
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Speaker 3: the headlines.

447
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Speaker 13: US talk headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

448
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Speaker 13: with a blue bubble. The Prime Minister is given an

449
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Speaker 13: Auckland business audience a pre budget speech warning kiwi's not

450
00:22:08,413 --> 00:22:11,173
Speaker 13: to expect too much. Chris Larkson says he wants a

451
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Speaker 13: sharper focus on commercial commercialization and for the government to

452
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Speaker 13: develop stronger business ties. The Independent Police Conduct Authority has

453
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Speaker 13: found Wellington Police unlawfully sees some gang members' vehicles for

454
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Speaker 13: unpaid fines. In three situations, officers lacked understanding of executing

455
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Speaker 13: warrants and neglected to demand payment before seizure. Afire has

456
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Speaker 13: been confirmed as not suspicious that broke out in an

457
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Speaker 13: Auckland Ministry of Social Development site in Glenninis this morning.

458
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Speaker 13: Firefighters have presented a petition at Parliament demanding law changes

459
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Speaker 13: so volunteers are also covered by acc The warehouse groups

460
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Speaker 13: continuing to forecast a loss this year with increased competition

461
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Speaker 13: off setting lifts in homeware and apparel sale and inside

462
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Speaker 13: New Zealand Rugby's nineteen point five million dollar loss for

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty four. You can see the full analysis at

464
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Speaker 13: endsid Premium. Now back to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean, and we're talking about

466
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Speaker 3: protected wildlife versus development and progress. Where do you sit

467
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Speaker 3: on it? And it's not quite their black and white.

468
00:23:20,293 --> 00:23:23,653
Speaker 3: The situation as it stands is the Minister of Conservation

469
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Speaker 3: wants to return to the status quo where developers, if

470
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Speaker 3: they accidentally killed and protective species wouldn't be prosecuted, but

471
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Speaker 3: they had to make every effort to try and move

472
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Speaker 3: those species on.

473
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Speaker 2: And the question we're asking is should we be human

474
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Speaker 2: first in our thinking? More human first? If a road

475
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Speaker 2: makes it better for humans, shouldn't we just go for it? Now?

476
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Speaker 2: I asked the hypothetical the thought experiment two buttons. Red

477
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Speaker 2: button kills in New Zealander. Yep, you've never met. Blue

478
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Speaker 2: button kills all five hundred of the remaining taka hay

479
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Speaker 2: in the country. What button do you press? And the

480
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Speaker 2: responses on nine two nine two concern me. I've got

481
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Speaker 2: to say, let's read them out. Kill the human, Smash

482
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Speaker 2: the red button hard, that's the one that kills human.

483
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Speaker 2: Kill the human, keep the taker hay. If it's a

484
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Speaker 2: New Zealander, the person is probably a loser. Kill them. Well,

485
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Speaker 2: you could argue that the tacker Haes and New Zealander

486
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Speaker 2: as well. Blue every day one for blue. That's one

487
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Speaker 2: for blue. Red for sure. That's liz one death through

488
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Speaker 2: an entire species. This is a no brainer. Mash the

489
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Speaker 2: red button. There's some anti human feeling out there. Red

490
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Speaker 2: button without question or hesitation. Can I press it multiple times?

491
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Speaker 2: Assignment anti and you have a one person in your family?

492
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Speaker 3: Doc, Yeah, you're going.

493
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Speaker 2: This is a crass and irresponsible questions. Is the person? Yeah,

494
00:24:44,173 --> 00:24:46,933
Speaker 2: well we'll concede that. Can I only press the red

495
00:24:46,973 --> 00:24:54,453
Speaker 2: button once? Kill the human? So that's that's interesting response.

496
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Speaker 2: This is a new low talking about buttons that kill.

497
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Speaker 2: People thought this was an adult show, not a seven

498
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Speaker 2: year old show. Well you're wrong. It's a show for

499
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Speaker 2: seven year olds. Yeah, you're absolutely wrong.

500
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Speaker 3: You're seven and you're listening. This is a show for

501
00:25:06,253 --> 00:25:07,453
Speaker 3: you as well as everybody else.

502
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Speaker 2: I wonder if that red and tied to that texture

503
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Speaker 2: might change my opinion opinion on it.

504
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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, love to hear

505
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Speaker 3: your thoughts on it.

506
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Speaker 2: What I don't understand about this? Okay, So I'm going

507
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Speaker 2: to quote the neuroscience Aberget Nuski. You know him, Nuskar,

508
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Speaker 2: Aberget Nuskar. He's a familiar, He's a philosopher. And I'm

509
00:25:28,093 --> 00:25:30,693
Speaker 2: pretty sure I'm getting this right. He said, among eight

510
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Speaker 2: point seven million species, only one has become smart enough

511
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Speaker 2: to ponder the meaning of life, so that one human

512
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Speaker 2: can ponder the meaning of life. Those five hundred Tarka

513
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Speaker 2: Hay can't write yep, taker Hey, can't paint the Sistine Chapel, right,

514
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Speaker 2: I can't write poetry, yep, you know.

515
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Speaker 3: But the beautiful looking birds and I'm sure they do something,

516
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Speaker 3: you know, like all.

517
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Speaker 2: Right, Scott, your thoughts on this? Not necessarily the thought experiment,

518
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Speaker 2: but they're wider question about infrastructure and and our wildlife.

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Speaker 8: There's a there's a couple of things I'll take on

520
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Speaker 8: this one. Obviously, sweep the wherever you're going to take

521
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Speaker 8: out bush, for example, if there is to be native

522
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Speaker 8: birds or snails, whatever it might be, give it a

523
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Speaker 8: sweep first, you know, before obviously everyone turns up. You

524
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Speaker 8: have your minders turn up, and you know, while the

525
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Speaker 8: boys are doing their work, to penalize them while they're

526
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Speaker 8: working for hitting something or whatever it might be is

527
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Speaker 8: you know, that's not on They're just doing their job

528
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Speaker 8: at the end of the day. And if a minder

529
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Speaker 8: or the sweepers didn't see it the first time, then

530
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Speaker 8: so be it. You know, it's just a colatteral damage

531
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Speaker 8: if you like. We cannot stop progress. If we do

532
00:26:45,733 --> 00:26:50,253
Speaker 8: our country as a nation, we'll go backwards. We will

533
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Speaker 8: not be able to keep up with the rest of

534
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Speaker 8: the world. And we want tourists to come to this country.

535
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Speaker 8: We want about to get them around the country safely

536
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Speaker 8: and effectively, and also ourselves and also commerce. Now we

537
00:27:01,453 --> 00:27:04,653
Speaker 8: need to build more roads, for example, to attach ourselves

538
00:27:04,733 --> 00:27:07,253
Speaker 8: to the National Highway running down the middle of the country.

539
00:27:07,573 --> 00:27:10,013
Speaker 8: It needs to be four lane and go over to Todonger.

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Speaker 8: I believe that State hi Wan also needs to be

541
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Speaker 8: moved off off Desert Road and down State HIWII four

542
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Speaker 8: which has far less closures, and we'll have less less

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Speaker 8: impact on the country for freight and transport if we

544
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Speaker 8: went over that way and had a four lane and

545
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Speaker 8: that ran all the way down to Wellington. Now also in.

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Speaker 14: That chat, you know, you say, oh you count can we.

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Speaker 4: Afford all this well?

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Speaker 8: I believe the shared model that National have come up

549
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Speaker 8: with is actually a feasible one where we have the

550
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Speaker 8: overseas companies come in and invest obviously, or you toll it.

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Speaker 8: That's another discussion to be had on top of this one,

552
00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:49,253
Speaker 8: but they're all sort of intolinked.

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Speaker 2: I believe the country.

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Speaker 8: Needs to look forward and it needs to move fast,

555
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Speaker 8: and to do this we need a model that works

556
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Speaker 8: for everyone. And if those little snails happen to be

557
00:28:00,413 --> 00:28:05,173
Speaker 8: in the way while the excavator is going through, that's unlucky.

558
00:28:05,373 --> 00:28:09,133
Speaker 8: But if they got swept first, then fair enough will

559
00:28:09,133 --> 00:28:14,333
Speaker 8: move them. They'll build new homes, but trust me, they'll adapt.

560
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Speaker 8: And I believe the way that roads are built now

561
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Speaker 8: with the way that they construct them and also have

562
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Speaker 8: you know take care of Fishy Mountain Messenger. The work

563
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Speaker 8: that's been done to look after the environment in that

564
00:28:27,453 --> 00:28:32,813
Speaker 8: area is really really quite amazing. The crane sorry if

565
00:28:32,853 --> 00:28:36,453
Speaker 8: you like, the flying fox bringing all the machinery into

566
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Speaker 8: the bush, you know, so they have less impact on

567
00:28:39,173 --> 00:28:42,453
Speaker 8: the environment is really quite amazing. Guys, have a bit

568
00:28:42,453 --> 00:28:46,373
Speaker 8: of a look on the NSTA website and the flyover.

569
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Speaker 8: It's pretty impressive stuff. And that road will save well

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Speaker 8: one will save lives for putting that new road in.

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Speaker 8: It's extremely hard for the trucks to get up and

572
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Speaker 8: around and through the tunnel. We have to stop to

573
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Speaker 8: let them go right round through the tunnel because they

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Speaker 8: take both sides of the road. It's extremely dangerous. So

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00:29:05,933 --> 00:29:08,453
Speaker 8: it needs to happen. We need to move for what

576
00:29:08,613 --> 00:29:10,773
Speaker 8: is a country. And if some snails get in the way,

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry.

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00:29:12,253 --> 00:29:15,253
Speaker 2: Well what about so how far up though, like you know,

579
00:29:15,373 --> 00:29:18,413
Speaker 2: snails maybe, but doesn't matter what particular species it is.

580
00:29:18,453 --> 00:29:22,973
Speaker 2: If it's displacing, let's just say all the tarka Hae

581
00:29:22,973 --> 00:29:24,933
Speaker 2: and New zealandks I've been using it as example, live

582
00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:27,093
Speaker 2: in that area and they all have to be displaced.

583
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Speaker 2: Is there is there a level that you would that

584
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Speaker 2: you would balance it on.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there are other places that they could like.

586
00:29:34,533 --> 00:29:37,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that the law. The law would

587
00:29:37,133 --> 00:29:40,573
Speaker 2: still require ecological offsets to protect the wildlife overall. But

588
00:29:41,413 --> 00:29:43,333
Speaker 2: I guess the thing is, and even if we have

589
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:47,693
Speaker 2: these these models where with foreign investment coming and there's

590
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Speaker 2: still we still have to pay back the debt on it.

591
00:29:49,813 --> 00:29:52,533
Speaker 2: And so when you spend more for a piece of infrastructure,

592
00:29:52,573 --> 00:29:55,533
Speaker 2: and you accept this infrastructure will increase productivity and therefore

593
00:29:55,573 --> 00:29:58,893
Speaker 2: more money coming in. But also if you spend more

594
00:29:58,933 --> 00:30:01,573
Speaker 2: on the infrastructure, that money has to come from somewhere,

595
00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:03,613
Speaker 2: and we only have a limit amount of money. So

596
00:30:03,933 --> 00:30:09,133
Speaker 2: you could argue that directly by taking into account overly

597
00:30:09,173 --> 00:30:12,933
Speaker 2: tak into account the needs of a kiwi. You're you

598
00:30:13,013 --> 00:30:15,213
Speaker 2: might not have that money even if it's twenty million

599
00:30:15,253 --> 00:30:18,013
Speaker 2: dollars that you could spend with farmac or you could

600
00:30:18,013 --> 00:30:22,093
Speaker 2: spend on surgery, because we don't we are borrowing money

601
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:25,213
Speaker 2: right now exactly. So it is a it is a

602
00:30:25,253 --> 00:30:28,893
Speaker 2: real humans versus wildlife situation going on. Would you agree,

603
00:30:28,933 --> 00:30:31,213
Speaker 2: Scott absolutely?

604
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Speaker 5: And you raise very good points there. You scratch ahead

605
00:30:34,213 --> 00:30:34,493
Speaker 5: at some.

606
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Speaker 8: Of the things the government spend money on when you think,

607
00:30:36,333 --> 00:30:38,773
Speaker 8: well that was just why did we do that? You know,

608
00:30:38,853 --> 00:30:43,093
Speaker 8: feasibility studies are a great one. But yeah, I believe

609
00:30:43,133 --> 00:30:43,533
Speaker 8: you're right.

610
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Speaker 5: I think you can't go silly on it.

611
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Speaker 8: I believe you you really do need to just go

612
00:30:48,693 --> 00:30:50,653
Speaker 8: in there, give it a sweep. Okay, Yet we've got

613
00:30:50,693 --> 00:30:53,733
Speaker 8: seven you know, kiwi and some bat Okay, we're going

614
00:30:53,773 --> 00:30:56,693
Speaker 8: to relocate those. Let's do that, move them on and

615
00:30:56,733 --> 00:30:59,453
Speaker 8: then just get into it right. And if mind if

616
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Speaker 8: a guy standing there, you know, with a high design

617
00:31:01,973 --> 00:31:04,733
Speaker 8: and a helmet sees a kiwi there, Scott work moved

618
00:31:04,733 --> 00:31:06,573
Speaker 8: the kiwi and finding her home for it.

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Speaker 15: If it gets run over, that's a shame.

620
00:31:09,653 --> 00:31:09,853
Speaker 16: You know.

621
00:31:10,013 --> 00:31:13,373
Speaker 8: Oh man, you watch tex machines go nuts. But you

622
00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:16,413
Speaker 8: know what I mean, we cannot keep stopping because you're

623
00:31:16,453 --> 00:31:19,333
Speaker 8: dead right. It's just going to cost a fortune and

624
00:31:19,373 --> 00:31:21,173
Speaker 8: you're going to You're not going.

625
00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:21,333
Speaker 4: To do it.

626
00:31:21,333 --> 00:31:23,333
Speaker 17: You're not going to complete it's spend too much money

627
00:31:23,413 --> 00:31:24,413
Speaker 17: on snails.

628
00:31:24,613 --> 00:31:26,373
Speaker 8: About that one of the South Iowand guys where they

629
00:31:26,373 --> 00:31:28,733
Speaker 8: went and pulled the snails out and then they put

630
00:31:28,773 --> 00:31:30,933
Speaker 8: them in the chiller and then had it too cold

631
00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:31,693
Speaker 8: and killed them all.

632
00:31:32,013 --> 00:31:35,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was I hadn't look on. Some of the

633
00:31:35,213 --> 00:31:37,853
Speaker 3: stands are doing well now that they're okay a new home,

634
00:31:37,853 --> 00:31:39,213
Speaker 3: but yeah, those ones and the Freds was not a

635
00:31:39,253 --> 00:31:39,653
Speaker 3: good look.

636
00:31:39,733 --> 00:31:39,893
Speaker 1: Well.

637
00:31:39,893 --> 00:31:41,613
Speaker 2: One of the great cock ups of all time is

638
00:31:42,173 --> 00:31:44,133
Speaker 2: what island was that? Someone will tell me where they

639
00:31:44,893 --> 00:31:48,373
Speaker 2: were trying to cull the pool kick or to you know,

640
00:31:48,413 --> 00:31:50,613
Speaker 2: make it easier for the taker Hay to live. And

641
00:31:50,653 --> 00:31:53,213
Speaker 2: they went over there and got confused because tacker Hay

642
00:31:53,213 --> 00:31:57,253
Speaker 2: and Porkicko looked very similar. Basically, take looks like a fatter,

643
00:31:57,333 --> 00:32:00,693
Speaker 2: poor kicko and they shot twenty five and there's only

644
00:32:00,733 --> 00:32:03,933
Speaker 2: five hundred. Hey, but Scott, this is an interesting question.

645
00:32:04,013 --> 00:32:05,853
Speaker 2: So you talk about infrastructure, But I was down in

646
00:32:05,933 --> 00:32:09,653
Speaker 2: Littleton for the sale GP when tire day was held

647
00:32:09,733 --> 00:32:13,173
Speaker 2: up because someone record they'd seen a Hect's dolphin in

648
00:32:13,213 --> 00:32:16,693
Speaker 2: the area. What about when it comes to something like recreation.

649
00:32:17,093 --> 00:32:20,533
Speaker 2: I mean, you could argue that the SALGP was bringing

650
00:32:20,533 --> 00:32:22,173
Speaker 2: a lot of money into Littleton and they're never going

651
00:32:22,213 --> 00:32:25,573
Speaker 2: back there again. But what about that when it becomes

652
00:32:25,773 --> 00:32:29,933
Speaker 2: more of a sporting fixture than an ongoing infrastructure situation.

653
00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:33,373
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's an interesting one you raise, and that's probably

654
00:32:33,413 --> 00:32:35,853
Speaker 8: a whole another topic, isn't it, because it becomes more

655
00:32:35,853 --> 00:32:38,293
Speaker 8: of a you know, we would like to have versus

656
00:32:38,333 --> 00:32:42,053
Speaker 8: with the country needs situation. I mean, that's no disrespect

657
00:32:42,093 --> 00:32:45,293
Speaker 8: to the little littleton businesses, because you know they would

658
00:32:45,293 --> 00:32:47,573
Speaker 8: have loved it, especially after COVID and everything. That would

659
00:32:47,573 --> 00:32:50,533
Speaker 8: have been a really good cash injection. So it's an

660
00:32:50,573 --> 00:32:54,293
Speaker 8: interesting one, you raise. It didn't need a balancing point.

661
00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:57,413
Speaker 8: I think versus that sort of situation, I would have

662
00:32:57,493 --> 00:33:00,453
Speaker 8: thought you could have almost put like a nesting down

663
00:33:00,573 --> 00:33:02,133
Speaker 8: like they have in the Gold Coast to keep the

664
00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:05,613
Speaker 8: sharks away from you swimming, you know, so you know,

665
00:33:05,693 --> 00:33:07,733
Speaker 8: that would have probably been a better option. I just

666
00:33:07,733 --> 00:33:10,093
Speaker 8: think they probably needed to investigate how they could have

667
00:33:10,133 --> 00:33:11,613
Speaker 8: done that better. You know.

668
00:33:11,853 --> 00:33:15,333
Speaker 2: Their point was that it never hit any wildlife either,

669
00:33:15,373 --> 00:33:16,893
Speaker 2: and they don't think it was even a thing that

670
00:33:16,893 --> 00:33:20,933
Speaker 2: would happen. But anyway, there was interesting balances between what

671
00:33:20,973 --> 00:33:23,413
Speaker 2: the wildlife is, how much damage it does, and what

672
00:33:23,493 --> 00:33:27,893
Speaker 2: the particular themes, well, what the particular thing you're wanting

673
00:33:27,933 --> 00:33:30,093
Speaker 2: to do. But yeah, hey, thank you so much for

674
00:33:30,093 --> 00:33:31,453
Speaker 2: you call, Scott. I really appreciate that.

675
00:33:31,533 --> 00:33:34,093
Speaker 3: Now, thank you very much, Scott. Now after a play

676
00:33:34,133 --> 00:33:36,373
Speaker 3: some messages I just want to run through. There was

677
00:33:36,413 --> 00:33:38,893
Speaker 3: an algorithm that the Department of Conservation put together in

678
00:33:38,933 --> 00:33:41,693
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. So they put together a priority list of

679
00:33:41,733 --> 00:33:44,693
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty species that were going to try

680
00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:47,413
Speaker 3: and save. These were endangered species. And I want to

681
00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:50,013
Speaker 3: run through some of those species and you can tell

682
00:33:50,053 --> 00:33:52,573
Speaker 3: me whether they put that on the list or not. Okay,

683
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:54,493
Speaker 3: how far are the less on priorities they put it?

684
00:33:55,453 --> 00:33:57,693
Speaker 2: This person says, people say there's other place for takahe

685
00:33:57,813 --> 00:34:00,653
Speaker 2: to go, but the territorial boo kick ors. You see

686
00:34:00,693 --> 00:34:03,373
Speaker 2: them continue to stay around building sites and roads. They

687
00:34:03,373 --> 00:34:05,493
Speaker 2: get killed by crossing the roads. Not advocating for them,

688
00:34:05,533 --> 00:34:09,812
Speaker 2: just stating a fact for people. Scott, Yeah, I mean

689
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:12,212
Speaker 2: there's annoying things about animals like that you're trying to

690
00:34:12,213 --> 00:34:14,253
Speaker 2: save them. I mean, God, anyone that's been involved in

691
00:34:14,293 --> 00:34:16,493
Speaker 2: trying to refloat a whale. Yeah, you know, I'm trying

692
00:34:16,493 --> 00:34:17,133
Speaker 2: to save you. Mate.

693
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:18,373
Speaker 3: They don't do themselves any favor.

694
00:34:18,413 --> 00:34:19,373
Speaker 2: And then you're beaching again.

695
00:34:19,493 --> 00:34:21,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, mate, we're trying to help you, help

696
00:34:21,973 --> 00:34:25,053
Speaker 3: us survive for goodness sake, it help help us, help you,

697
00:34:25,133 --> 00:34:28,333
Speaker 3: Tucker Exactly. It is fourteen to two.

698
00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:32,013
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

699
00:34:32,093 --> 00:34:36,133
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News Talk.

700
00:34:35,973 --> 00:34:39,013
Speaker 3: Said, be very good afternoon to you. So you found

701
00:34:39,013 --> 00:34:41,493
Speaker 3: that story. But the accidental shooting of protected tarker.

702
00:34:41,293 --> 00:34:44,333
Speaker 2: Ha, Yeah, this was back in twenty fifteen. Critically engaged

703
00:34:44,253 --> 00:34:47,733
Speaker 2: in taker hair shot in case of mistaken identity, members

704
00:34:47,733 --> 00:34:50,893
Speaker 2: of the doorst deer Stalker's Association have shot four critically

705
00:34:50,893 --> 00:34:54,093
Speaker 2: engaged tacker hair while carrying out a cul of pul

706
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:58,093
Speaker 2: kick or on Motutapu Island and the Hodaki Golf The

707
00:34:58,133 --> 00:35:02,013
Speaker 2: Deaf set forth the Contpartment of Conversation Conservation to put

708
00:35:02,013 --> 00:35:04,613
Speaker 2: an immediate holt to coloring operations near the threatened species.

709
00:35:04,613 --> 00:35:07,413
Speaker 2: Look in the dear Stalker's Association's defense that were going

710
00:35:07,493 --> 00:35:10,813
Speaker 2: over there to kill the pul kick or to help

711
00:35:10,853 --> 00:35:14,893
Speaker 2: the Tarka hay. They look so similar, very similar coloring,

712
00:35:15,213 --> 00:35:19,133
Speaker 2: very similar coloringavage. The Tarka hay is a lot fatter.

713
00:35:19,933 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 2: The island is a protected pest three a haven for

714
00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:25,333
Speaker 2: indagered bird species, and twenty of the critically indangered birds

715
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:28,853
Speaker 2: were relocated to the island. So that boy, that would

716
00:35:28,853 --> 00:35:31,013
Speaker 2: have been a what a cock up so you go

717
00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:33,973
Speaker 2: tobarrassing and you've killed one percent of the entire population

718
00:35:34,053 --> 00:35:34,613
Speaker 2: of targai.

719
00:35:34,893 --> 00:35:37,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to save them, but from fifty meters away,

720
00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:40,973
Speaker 3: you're right, I mean it's pretty hard to tell the difference. Hey, now,

721
00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:46,613
Speaker 3: I mentioned quickly before. So in twenty seventeen, the Department

722
00:35:46,653 --> 00:35:49,813
Speaker 3: of Conservation had to figure out what indagered species to

723
00:35:49,853 --> 00:35:51,692
Speaker 3: save because there's only so much to go around. Okay,

724
00:35:51,733 --> 00:35:54,133
Speaker 3: So they had an algorithm and they tried to figure

725
00:35:54,173 --> 00:35:56,133
Speaker 3: out what species they were going to try and save

726
00:35:56,413 --> 00:35:58,213
Speaker 3: based on a raft of criteria. So I'm going to

727
00:35:58,293 --> 00:35:59,893
Speaker 3: run through some of those species for you and you

728
00:35:59,933 --> 00:36:01,813
Speaker 3: tell me whether you think they saved them or not.

729
00:36:02,093 --> 00:36:05,333
Speaker 3: The Chatham oyster catcher, only found in the Chatham Islands,

730
00:36:05,333 --> 00:36:07,772
Speaker 3: only around three hundred birds remained. Made it or didn't

731
00:36:07,773 --> 00:36:10,333
Speaker 3: make it? Make it that made it?

732
00:36:10,413 --> 00:36:12,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, three hundred.

733
00:36:12,413 --> 00:36:16,013
Speaker 3: Coupe's grass moth one of New Zealand's roughly fourteen hundred

734
00:36:16,093 --> 00:36:18,933
Speaker 3: endemic moth species. It is only found in sand dunes

735
00:36:19,373 --> 00:36:21,773
Speaker 3: in a spit in Canterbury. Made it or made it?

736
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:22,493
Speaker 2: Didn't make it?

737
00:36:23,013 --> 00:36:24,973
Speaker 3: Being on now, it didn't like the Kupe's moth.

738
00:36:25,333 --> 00:36:26,773
Speaker 2: When I was growing up, my sister told me that

739
00:36:26,813 --> 00:36:28,853
Speaker 2: moths bite you. She was lying, but it freaked me

740
00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:30,813
Speaker 2: out and made me run down the hall terrified as

741
00:36:30,813 --> 00:36:31,853
Speaker 2: a child. So I've never liked moths.

742
00:36:31,893 --> 00:36:35,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's fair enough. Then Hamilton's frog and endemic

743
00:36:35,413 --> 00:36:38,653
Speaker 3: frog once widespread, but now most of the global population

744
00:36:39,053 --> 00:36:42,213
Speaker 3: are done for and only a few hundred frogs remain

745
00:36:42,573 --> 00:36:43,213
Speaker 3: in New Zealand.

746
00:36:43,893 --> 00:36:46,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're global. Then her kires one, rocky outcrog on

747
00:36:46,933 --> 00:36:48,853
Speaker 2: an island and cook straight. So did they keep the frog?

748
00:36:49,333 --> 00:36:51,853
Speaker 3: What do you reckon? Would you keep the Hamilton's frog?

749
00:36:51,973 --> 00:36:52,133
Speaker 11: Nah?

750
00:36:52,253 --> 00:36:53,533
Speaker 2: Let someone else sort it out overseas?

751
00:36:53,573 --> 00:36:56,613
Speaker 3: All right, you don't think it, but should have made it. Yeah,

752
00:36:56,613 --> 00:36:58,453
Speaker 3: it didn't make it. They don't make it. Didn't care

753
00:36:58,493 --> 00:37:00,733
Speaker 3: about the Hamilton's frog, but there so you got to

754
00:37:00,773 --> 00:37:03,373
Speaker 3: make choices about what you actually care about. Well, you

755
00:37:03,413 --> 00:37:04,213
Speaker 3: can't save everything.

756
00:37:04,333 --> 00:37:06,252
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we do that with humans, don't we look

757
00:37:06,253 --> 00:37:08,933
Speaker 2: at farmac? Very true, Tony, welcome to are your thoughts

758
00:37:08,933 --> 00:37:09,133
Speaker 2: on this?

759
00:37:10,333 --> 00:37:10,533
Speaker 11: Yeah?

760
00:37:10,573 --> 00:37:14,333
Speaker 18: Well I have to start by saying that I love roads.

761
00:37:14,413 --> 00:37:16,692
Speaker 18: I want more roads. I can't get up and down

762
00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:19,973
Speaker 18: the country to see gigs without roads, and the better

763
00:37:20,053 --> 00:37:23,533
Speaker 18: they are, the faster I can go. So having said that,

764
00:37:24,893 --> 00:37:27,893
Speaker 18: I did a quick google and key we are endangered.

765
00:37:29,893 --> 00:37:32,413
Speaker 18: So on the one hand, we've got dock and forest

766
00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:36,812
Speaker 18: and bird spending shiploads what's considerable amounts of money allow

767
00:37:36,893 --> 00:37:42,773
Speaker 18: that to save them and to breed them in captivity.

768
00:37:42,853 --> 00:37:45,413
Speaker 18: And then on the other hand, we've got these other books.

769
00:37:45,573 --> 00:37:48,813
Speaker 18: They're going to potentially just bowl a whole lot. I

770
00:37:48,933 --> 00:37:51,293
Speaker 18: kind of like the Corner a few back who said,

771
00:37:51,613 --> 00:37:54,533
Speaker 18: you know, get people into sweep the area of first

772
00:37:55,053 --> 00:37:56,573
Speaker 18: and I think that's forest.

773
00:37:56,253 --> 00:37:58,413
Speaker 2: And bird that's all part of it. So that's definitely

774
00:37:58,453 --> 00:38:01,693
Speaker 2: going to happen. And basically this law is trying to

775
00:38:01,693 --> 00:38:04,133
Speaker 2: protect people to say if you accidentally kill them, So

776
00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:06,413
Speaker 2: they're not going to just bowl through. They're going to

777
00:38:06,453 --> 00:38:09,493
Speaker 2: get people to go in there and require ecological offsets

778
00:38:09,533 --> 00:38:11,973
Speaker 2: to protect the wildlife overall. So they will do that, Tony.

779
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,213
Speaker 2: There's no one, no one suggesting that they don't go

780
00:38:14,253 --> 00:38:16,533
Speaker 2: through and try and try and do their best to

781
00:38:16,613 --> 00:38:18,413
Speaker 2: move anything on that they can.

782
00:38:19,373 --> 00:38:21,373
Speaker 18: Yeah, but you know that old story. How do you

783
00:38:21,413 --> 00:38:23,973
Speaker 18: know politician's lying is mouth's moving.

784
00:38:25,773 --> 00:38:27,613
Speaker 2: So how many key we do you think there are

785
00:38:29,053 --> 00:38:31,252
Speaker 2: in New Zealand? How many key in total do you think,

786
00:38:31,253 --> 00:38:31,773
Speaker 2: Tony just.

787
00:38:31,733 --> 00:38:38,053
Speaker 18: To guess, oh, I guess five hundred, six hundred. I

788
00:38:38,093 --> 00:38:38,813
Speaker 18: don't really know.

789
00:38:39,373 --> 00:38:42,573
Speaker 2: There are currently sixty.

790
00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:44,293
Speaker 18: Are going to tell me soth sixty.

791
00:38:44,013 --> 00:38:45,733
Speaker 2: Eight thousand kiwis we have in New Zealand.

792
00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:49,893
Speaker 18: Okay, Well, anyway, I still don't want to lose any

793
00:38:49,933 --> 00:38:52,013
Speaker 18: of them. But having said that, I want to keep

794
00:38:52,053 --> 00:38:54,773
Speaker 18: my roads and I'm meant to so I'm not one

795
00:38:54,813 --> 00:39:00,453
Speaker 18: of these let's build no more roads and what not.

796
00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:03,133
Speaker 18: That green aspect that's stopped me at all. But I

797
00:39:03,293 --> 00:39:07,413
Speaker 18: do want to Well, I can't balance the fact that

798
00:39:07,453 --> 00:39:12,333
Speaker 18: we've got to go departments speeding money to save and

799
00:39:12,773 --> 00:39:16,373
Speaker 18: breed them and then we're going to It just doesn't

800
00:39:16,373 --> 00:39:16,933
Speaker 18: make sense.

801
00:39:17,133 --> 00:39:19,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, thank if you called Tony yep, very good.

802
00:39:19,573 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 3: I mean that's almost brought us full circles. Tony likes Rhodes,

803
00:39:22,573 --> 00:39:24,533
Speaker 3: but he likes Kiwi as well, and that's the tough

804
00:39:24,613 --> 00:39:25,373
Speaker 3: choice sometimes.

805
00:39:25,893 --> 00:39:28,293
Speaker 2: Sixty eight thousand Kiwi. That's that's pretty good. That is

806
00:39:28,333 --> 00:39:31,333
Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah.

807
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:35,453
Speaker 3: A couple couple women go astray the end of the world. Uh,

808
00:39:35,613 --> 00:39:37,733
Speaker 3: seven to one, seven to two, I should say back

809
00:39:37,813 --> 00:39:39,853
Speaker 3: very shortly here on NEWSTALKSB.

810
00:39:40,933 --> 00:39:44,493
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

811
00:39:44,493 --> 00:39:47,893
Speaker 1: and eighty Tight. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

812
00:39:48,013 --> 00:39:50,212
Speaker 1: News TALKSB, News.

813
00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:50,653
Speaker 2: Talk zed B.

814
00:39:50,853 --> 00:39:53,053
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the program and we have been chatting

815
00:39:53,173 --> 00:39:56,373
Speaker 3: about our protected wildlife over roads and a very very

816
00:39:56,373 --> 00:39:59,253
Speaker 3: good discussion. So thank you to everybody who phoned and

817
00:39:59,693 --> 00:40:01,733
Speaker 3: text a couple of texts to see us up to

818
00:40:01,773 --> 00:40:02,293
Speaker 3: the news.

819
00:40:04,373 --> 00:40:06,813
Speaker 2: As David Anaer said, if you want to save an animal,

820
00:40:06,893 --> 00:40:09,413
Speaker 2: start eating it and make it taste it will never

821
00:40:09,493 --> 00:40:14,093
Speaker 2: die out. Bring a KFK do you think so?

822
00:40:14,213 --> 00:40:15,973
Speaker 3: Dave and Edinburgh say that I'd give it a try

823
00:40:15,973 --> 00:40:16,533
Speaker 3: if there was enough.

824
00:40:17,213 --> 00:40:19,813
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Sheep are becoming endangered in their

825
00:40:19,813 --> 00:40:20,413
Speaker 2: country at the.

826
00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:20,853
Speaker 3: Moment they are.

827
00:40:20,973 --> 00:40:22,933
Speaker 2: Numbers are dropping fast, yeah, but they're not on demic,

828
00:40:22,973 --> 00:40:23,533
Speaker 2: are they No?

829
00:40:23,773 --> 00:40:27,093
Speaker 3: They taste good, right, Thank you very much, New Sport

830
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:29,373
Speaker 3: and weather coming up. Great to have your company as

831
00:40:29,373 --> 00:40:32,253
Speaker 3: always listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

832
00:40:42,773 --> 00:40:46,133
Speaker 1: Talking with you all. Afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

833
00:40:46,133 --> 00:40:48,453
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons Used Talks.

834
00:40:48,493 --> 00:40:48,733
Speaker 11: It be.

835
00:40:50,213 --> 00:40:53,293
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. Welcome back. Into the show seven past

836
00:40:53,333 --> 00:40:56,733
Speaker 3: to just before we move on. I am shocked, shocked

837
00:40:56,813 --> 00:40:59,693
Speaker 3: at the number of texts coming through advocating for the

838
00:40:59,693 --> 00:41:02,453
Speaker 3: farm in you Kiwi, hundreds of texts. Outrageous.

839
00:41:02,853 --> 00:41:04,133
Speaker 2: Oh well, give them a taste of Kiwi.

840
00:41:06,653 --> 00:41:08,493
Speaker 3: That's why they pay you the big bucks. Mate, are

841
00:41:08,973 --> 00:41:11,133
Speaker 3: very good. Right, let's have a chat about the Pope.

842
00:41:11,533 --> 00:41:16,413
Speaker 3: The conclave is underway as we speak, very mysterious, very cool.

843
00:41:16,653 --> 00:41:19,333
Speaker 3: As we learnt a little bit earlier today, they haven't

844
00:41:19,653 --> 00:41:22,533
Speaker 3: elected a new pope yet. Black smoke means no pope

845
00:41:22,773 --> 00:41:25,813
Speaker 3: and white smoke means pope. Yeah, white, white smoke means pope.

846
00:41:25,853 --> 00:41:26,453
Speaker 3: That isn't easy.

847
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:29,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, black smoke, no Pope, white smoke Pope. Yeah, so

848
00:41:29,253 --> 00:41:31,732
Speaker 2: still black smoke. So they're in the Sistine Chapel right now.

849
00:41:31,773 --> 00:41:33,172
Speaker 2: The conclave voting.

850
00:41:33,173 --> 00:41:36,413
Speaker 3: Only have one per day. I believe one voting session

851
00:41:36,453 --> 00:41:40,053
Speaker 3: per day. It took two days to elect Pope Francis

852
00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:42,573
Speaker 3: last time they had to do this thirteen years ago.

853
00:41:43,253 --> 00:41:45,373
Speaker 3: But we want to take the conversation a little bit

854
00:41:45,373 --> 00:41:47,573
Speaker 3: wider than who you think the next Pope is going

855
00:41:47,613 --> 00:41:49,373
Speaker 3: to be. I don't actually know any of the names

856
00:41:49,373 --> 00:41:51,693
Speaker 3: that are up for contention. We will go through that

857
00:41:51,773 --> 00:41:54,933
Speaker 3: as the hour continues. But what do you want to

858
00:41:54,933 --> 00:41:57,613
Speaker 3: see in the Pope and how important is the pope

859
00:41:57,613 --> 00:41:58,373
Speaker 3: and modern times?

860
00:41:58,453 --> 00:42:01,013
Speaker 2: Yeah? How as where does the Pope sit in terms

861
00:42:01,013 --> 00:42:03,373
Speaker 2: of world leaders in twenty twenty five? If you're Catholic,

862
00:42:03,733 --> 00:42:05,133
Speaker 2: what do you want to see from this new pope?

863
00:42:05,133 --> 00:42:06,453
Speaker 2: If you're not Catholic, what do you want to see

864
00:42:06,453 --> 00:42:09,333
Speaker 2: from this new pope? Because the Pope Hope, it does

865
00:42:09,373 --> 00:42:10,653
Speaker 2: have a huge influence on the world.

866
00:42:10,693 --> 00:42:11,253
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

867
00:42:11,293 --> 00:42:14,333
Speaker 2: I mean last time accounted, there was over a billion

868
00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:17,573
Speaker 2: Catholics in the world. Yeah, and the Pope speaks to

869
00:42:17,693 --> 00:42:18,772
Speaker 2: us directly to them.

870
00:42:18,973 --> 00:42:21,652
Speaker 3: Huge influence. Yeah, absolutely, I'm gonna say I quite like

871
00:42:21,693 --> 00:42:24,573
Speaker 3: Pope Francis. I thought Pope Francis was a good pope.

872
00:42:24,613 --> 00:42:27,613
Speaker 3: Initially he was controversial, where as many of the popes are,

873
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:30,613
Speaker 3: But I thought he was a very good pope. Yeah,

874
00:42:30,613 --> 00:42:32,453
Speaker 3: but it will be interesting to see which way they go.

875
00:42:32,613 --> 00:42:35,173
Speaker 3: I mean they went for someone who was considered a

876
00:42:35,213 --> 00:42:37,973
Speaker 3: little bit more liberal with Pope Francis the one the

877
00:42:38,013 --> 00:42:40,533
Speaker 3: pope before him, Pope Benedict, certainly wasn't liberal. He was

878
00:42:40,653 --> 00:42:41,293
Speaker 3: very conservative.

879
00:42:41,453 --> 00:42:45,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more of a pope pious. The ninth the

880
00:42:45,173 --> 00:42:50,853
Speaker 2: longest papacy. He defined the immaculate conception and people infallibility.

881
00:42:50,933 --> 00:42:52,733
Speaker 3: That's a good legacy. How long was he pope for?

882
00:42:52,773 --> 00:42:54,173
Speaker 3: If he was the longest pope, how long was he

883
00:42:54,173 --> 00:42:54,333
Speaker 3: there for?

884
00:42:54,533 --> 00:42:56,173
Speaker 2: He was there for a while. Yeah, I guess you

885
00:42:56,213 --> 00:42:59,293
Speaker 2: got to say Saint Peter was the most legit pope,

886
00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:01,652
Speaker 2: wasn't he the first one? Because he actually used to

887
00:43:01,653 --> 00:43:04,493
Speaker 2: power around with Jesus himself the og. Yes, it's hard

888
00:43:04,533 --> 00:43:06,173
Speaker 2: to beat the og. It's hard to be better than

889
00:43:06,173 --> 00:43:08,333
Speaker 2: Saint Peter. But you know, it is twenty twenty five

890
00:43:08,653 --> 00:43:11,293
Speaker 2: and things have changed, and there's been you know, various

891
00:43:11,293 --> 00:43:15,053
Speaker 2: controversies in the Catholic Church and various rubbing up against

892
00:43:15,373 --> 00:43:19,373
Speaker 2: different different ideas of the day. So, yeah, where do

893
00:43:19,413 --> 00:43:20,453
Speaker 2: you want to see the pope go?

894
00:43:21,333 --> 00:43:23,413
Speaker 3: And how do you feel about the pope in twenty

895
00:43:23,533 --> 00:43:25,373
Speaker 3: twenty five? Love to hear your thoughts on our eight

896
00:43:25,453 --> 00:43:27,933
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty and coming up, we're going

897
00:43:27,973 --> 00:43:30,573
Speaker 3: to have a chat worth Professor Peter Linham. He is

898
00:43:30,613 --> 00:43:34,173
Speaker 3: a professor of religious history and very knowledgeable about the

899
00:43:34,213 --> 00:43:37,533
Speaker 3: process with the conclave and what it takes to select

900
00:43:37,533 --> 00:43:39,493
Speaker 3: a new pope. And we'll ask him of course, on

901
00:43:39,573 --> 00:43:43,253
Speaker 3: his thoughts about how the pope is viewed in modern times.

902
00:43:43,453 --> 00:43:46,133
Speaker 2: This person says the pope has absolutely no influence on

903
00:43:46,133 --> 00:43:47,893
Speaker 2: the world anymore. I don't think that's true. It's at

904
00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:49,733
Speaker 2: least had the influence enough for us to be talking

905
00:43:49,773 --> 00:43:53,212
Speaker 2: about it. And as a Catholic, I want a more

906
00:43:53,213 --> 00:43:58,733
Speaker 2: conservative pope. There's this one I found Francis was too liberal.

907
00:43:58,853 --> 00:43:59,093
Speaker 3: Yeah.

908
00:43:59,133 --> 00:44:00,933
Speaker 2: I've got a statue of Benedict at my house, do

909
00:44:01,053 --> 00:44:03,133
Speaker 2: you Yeah, just a little one? Okay, Yeah, where do

910
00:44:03,133 --> 00:44:07,133
Speaker 2: you put that? That is in the kitchen with the

911
00:44:07,173 --> 00:44:08,853
Speaker 2: whiskey glasses. Yeah.

912
00:44:08,893 --> 00:44:11,053
Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

913
00:44:11,173 --> 00:44:14,053
Speaker 3: number to call keen to hear your thoughts about the

914
00:44:14,133 --> 00:44:17,333
Speaker 3: new Pope. It is ten past two, coming up. We're

915
00:44:17,333 --> 00:44:19,933
Speaker 3: gonna have a chat with Professor Peter Linum. You listen

916
00:44:19,973 --> 00:44:21,493
Speaker 3: to Matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

917
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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

918
00:44:27,493 --> 00:44:30,293
Speaker 1: call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Said so, the secret conclave is underway to elect a

920
00:44:36,413 --> 00:44:40,853
Speaker 3: new pope. Professor Peter Linham has written and lectured extensively

921
00:44:41,253 --> 00:44:44,652
Speaker 3: on religious history. Here is a wealth of knowledge when

922
00:44:44,693 --> 00:44:47,173
Speaker 3: it comes to the process behind the conclave and the

923
00:44:47,173 --> 00:44:48,853
Speaker 3: election of a new pope, and he joins us now,

924
00:44:49,013 --> 00:44:52,373
Speaker 3: Professor Lyon in good afternoon, Good afternoon to you.

925
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Speaker 2: So we go right back to the very basics. Who

926
00:44:55,053 --> 00:44:57,652
Speaker 2: can be pope? Who is actually eligible for the job?

927
00:44:58,933 --> 00:45:02,773
Speaker 16: So the popes are drawn from the cardinals of the church,

928
00:45:03,253 --> 00:45:07,652
Speaker 16: and the cardinals the office was created as a specific

929
00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:12,013
Speaker 16: way to create a kind of an elite cabinet for

930
00:45:12,133 --> 00:45:15,252
Speaker 16: the church, and originally there weren't very many of them.

931
00:45:15,373 --> 00:45:17,493
Speaker 16: Now of course we've got one hundred and thirty five,

932
00:45:18,093 --> 00:45:24,293
Speaker 16: but it was originally actually local Italian cardinals who fulfill

933
00:45:24,413 --> 00:45:25,813
Speaker 16: these roles.

934
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:27,772
Speaker 2: And so it can only be from one of them.

935
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:30,493
Speaker 2: It can't be I don't know, just someone that's been

936
00:45:30,533 --> 00:45:33,413
Speaker 2: baptized in New Zealand. It has to be a part

937
00:45:33,453 --> 00:45:35,333
Speaker 2: of that group of cardinals.

938
00:45:35,693 --> 00:45:41,692
Speaker 16: Yes, that is a restriction, mind you. Ironically, the cardinals

939
00:45:41,733 --> 00:45:46,453
Speaker 16: don't have to be ordained. They actually technically could include

940
00:45:46,453 --> 00:45:49,973
Speaker 16: a lay person, maybe even a woman, though there's absolutely

941
00:45:50,013 --> 00:45:51,493
Speaker 16: no signs of that happening.

942
00:45:51,893 --> 00:45:52,732
Speaker 2: Well is that true?

943
00:45:52,733 --> 00:45:52,893
Speaker 19: Though?

944
00:45:53,053 --> 00:45:56,253
Speaker 2: Just to jump ahead that there is the Pope Jones

945
00:45:56,293 --> 00:45:59,373
Speaker 2: story true that a woman snuck in there eighty eighty

946
00:45:59,453 --> 00:46:01,853
Speaker 2: five five, and now they check to make sure it's

947
00:46:01,853 --> 00:46:04,333
Speaker 2: a man A great.

948
00:46:04,093 --> 00:46:08,533
Speaker 16: Thought, but all despite the Conclave movie, etc. No, I

949
00:46:08,533 --> 00:46:11,053
Speaker 16: think that's a bit about that.

950
00:46:11,613 --> 00:46:14,692
Speaker 2: So what is the basic process of selecting the new

951
00:46:14,773 --> 00:46:16,373
Speaker 2: pope from these cardinals?

952
00:46:17,613 --> 00:46:20,493
Speaker 16: So this is a really historical thing. It's evolved in

953
00:46:20,493 --> 00:46:23,933
Speaker 16: the process because there were times they didn't always select

954
00:46:23,973 --> 00:46:26,652
Speaker 16: the popes this way, and in fact it's only been

955
00:46:26,693 --> 00:46:29,733
Speaker 16: in the nineteenth century that it got tightened down to

956
00:46:29,813 --> 00:46:34,653
Speaker 16: this kind of secret process. And apparently in twenty thirteen

957
00:46:35,093 --> 00:46:39,413
Speaker 16: somebody did manage to disguise themselves as a cardinal and

958
00:46:39,573 --> 00:46:42,893
Speaker 16: sneak into the election, but it got kicked out by

959
00:46:42,893 --> 00:46:48,413
Speaker 16: the Swiss guards, so it's not quite effectively. The cardinals

960
00:46:48,453 --> 00:46:52,933
Speaker 16: are locked up in the Systeine Chapel and they have

961
00:46:53,053 --> 00:46:56,973
Speaker 16: a small piece of paper on which they can write

962
00:46:57,293 --> 00:47:00,212
Speaker 16: the name of one of their number than they think

963
00:47:00,253 --> 00:47:03,893
Speaker 16: should be pope, and then there will be discussion and

964
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:08,693
Speaker 16: they pause the meals. Meanwhile, there's a total blackout because

965
00:47:08,693 --> 00:47:12,733
Speaker 16: they do not want cardinals talking on their cell phones

966
00:47:12,773 --> 00:47:13,692
Speaker 16: to the media.

967
00:47:13,813 --> 00:47:14,413
Speaker 20: Or to you or me.

968
00:47:15,653 --> 00:47:20,053
Speaker 16: And they keep doing that four times a day until

969
00:47:20,093 --> 00:47:20,613
Speaker 16: they have a.

970
00:47:20,573 --> 00:47:25,453
Speaker 2: Pope wow and I guess this is a pretty broad question,

971
00:47:25,653 --> 00:47:27,093
Speaker 2: but what are they looking.

972
00:47:26,813 --> 00:47:32,413
Speaker 16: For so effectively? They're looking at someone who can manage

973
00:47:32,573 --> 00:47:37,613
Speaker 16: the global church and who can run the Vatican efficiently.

974
00:47:38,293 --> 00:47:41,653
Speaker 16: I mean it is technically the pope is a monarch,

975
00:47:42,253 --> 00:47:44,733
Speaker 16: is kind of king of the church, and it was

976
00:47:44,773 --> 00:47:47,453
Speaker 16: designed in the days when they had monarchs, and hence

977
00:47:47,613 --> 00:47:52,173
Speaker 16: all the grandeur of the ceremony involved in it. But

978
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:57,493
Speaker 16: if you can't effectively keep the wheels of the Vatican turning,

979
00:47:57,933 --> 00:48:02,773
Speaker 16: keep raising money to pay for the central apparatus of

980
00:48:02,773 --> 00:48:05,413
Speaker 16: the church, then the whole thing will collapse. And that's

981
00:48:05,493 --> 00:48:10,973
Speaker 16: effectively why Benedict resign in twenty twelve, because he just

982
00:48:11,373 --> 00:48:18,373
Speaker 16: proved incapable, maybe incompetent at running the Vatican Bank, and

983
00:48:18,413 --> 00:48:22,213
Speaker 16: then all the sexual abuse scandals. He just couldn't handle

984
00:48:22,253 --> 00:48:25,533
Speaker 16: it anymore. So you've got to be able to do that.

985
00:48:25,533 --> 00:48:27,333
Speaker 2: That was the first time in six hundred years that

986
00:48:27,373 --> 00:48:28,973
Speaker 2: a pope had stepped down, Am I right.

987
00:48:29,733 --> 00:48:35,413
Speaker 16: Yes, that's right, there's been a few presidents. Francis also

988
00:48:35,813 --> 00:48:38,173
Speaker 16: is the first pope for six hundred years to choose

989
00:48:38,493 --> 00:48:41,933
Speaker 16: a new name, because normally they're drawn from a small

990
00:48:41,933 --> 00:48:45,533
Speaker 16: cluster of names of previous popes, right, and this will

991
00:48:45,573 --> 00:48:50,053
Speaker 16: be so interesting to watch. But whatever the new pope chooses,

992
00:48:50,173 --> 00:48:53,533
Speaker 16: because that's the major clue we'll get of what his

993
00:48:53,693 --> 00:48:54,533
Speaker 16: focus is.

994
00:48:55,093 --> 00:48:58,573
Speaker 3: So, Pope Francis has he appointed many of the cardinals

995
00:48:58,613 --> 00:49:03,172
Speaker 3: that will select his successor. And by looking at at

996
00:49:03,173 --> 00:49:05,533
Speaker 3: some of these cardinals, it is a very diverse group,

997
00:49:05,613 --> 00:49:08,213
Speaker 3: isn't it. There are some countries there that have car

998
00:49:08,373 --> 00:49:13,373
Speaker 3: and as for the first time sales, Sudan, Papua New Guinea.

999
00:49:12,413 --> 00:49:14,253
Speaker 16: And Tonga and Tonga don't forget to.

1000
00:49:14,253 --> 00:49:16,613
Speaker 2: Talk right, tongue and black would be good.

1001
00:49:17,733 --> 00:49:23,172
Speaker 16: So, yeah, this is a really interesting question because yes,

1002
00:49:23,213 --> 00:49:27,013
Speaker 16: he selected almost well well o behalf. I think two

1003
00:49:27,053 --> 00:49:30,573
Speaker 16: thirds of the cardinals are new. They don't know each

1004
00:49:30,573 --> 00:49:35,893
Speaker 16: other particularly well. And so looking at the people he selected,

1005
00:49:36,693 --> 00:49:39,973
Speaker 16: because two things had been born in mind. He presumably

1006
00:49:40,053 --> 00:49:42,493
Speaker 16: wanted the things that he cared about to be reflected

1007
00:49:42,493 --> 00:49:45,813
Speaker 16: in the cardinals, but he also had a big thing

1008
00:49:45,853 --> 00:49:49,373
Speaker 16: about representation of the worldwide church. After all, he was

1009
00:49:49,373 --> 00:49:53,373
Speaker 16: from South America. So the only thing to bear in

1010
00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:56,813
Speaker 16: mind is you can't assume that they all think like Francis,

1011
00:49:57,293 --> 00:50:01,293
Speaker 16: because we already know that the cardinals from Africa were

1012
00:50:01,533 --> 00:50:05,893
Speaker 16: really unhappy when he proposed a process of informal blessings

1013
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:10,093
Speaker 16: of same sex marriage of same sex relateationships. They said,

1014
00:50:10,213 --> 00:50:11,893
Speaker 16: we're not going to do this in Africa, And these

1015
00:50:11,933 --> 00:50:13,813
Speaker 16: were the cardinal's head selected.

1016
00:50:14,773 --> 00:50:17,813
Speaker 2: How important is the pope in twenty twenty five, Where

1017
00:50:17,813 --> 00:50:20,853
Speaker 2: does it sit in terms of world leaders as a position?

1018
00:50:22,213 --> 00:50:27,493
Speaker 16: Well, the pope of the last fifty years had turned

1019
00:50:27,493 --> 00:50:32,533
Speaker 16: into global figures, and that's a really striking aspect of

1020
00:50:32,573 --> 00:50:35,732
Speaker 16: the ways in which the papacy works. They really are

1021
00:50:35,773 --> 00:50:41,733
Speaker 16: spectacularly public in traveling all around the world, and because

1022
00:50:41,773 --> 00:50:45,053
Speaker 16: of that, I think we can assume these are really

1023
00:50:45,133 --> 00:50:51,893
Speaker 16: important figures, although they've got no formal power. Remember one

1024
00:50:51,973 --> 00:50:57,813
Speaker 16: point four billion Catholics, that's a huge proportion the largest

1025
00:50:57,933 --> 00:50:59,333
Speaker 16: religious group in the world.

1026
00:50:59,773 --> 00:51:03,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. But I mean in different times they

1027
00:51:03,213 --> 00:51:06,413
Speaker 2: have had different influence. I'm just actually listening to a

1028
00:51:06,453 --> 00:51:08,772
Speaker 2: historical broadcast at the moment on ten six see Sex,

1029
00:51:08,813 --> 00:51:12,533
Speaker 2: and a lot of it's about Pope Alexander and sanctioning

1030
00:51:12,573 --> 00:51:15,973
Speaker 2: William the Conqueror's invasion of England. I even think he

1031
00:51:16,133 --> 00:51:20,333
Speaker 2: provided a papal banner for William the Conqueror to attack.

1032
00:51:22,333 --> 00:51:26,133
Speaker 16: Yes, yes, so the pope in the days when church

1033
00:51:26,173 --> 00:51:29,773
Speaker 16: and state were handed in glove. Yes, indeed he authorized

1034
00:51:30,213 --> 00:51:34,093
Speaker 16: the Norman conquest of England and made it very difficult

1035
00:51:34,173 --> 00:51:38,013
Speaker 16: for Harold and that sort of thing you are unlikely

1036
00:51:38,133 --> 00:51:38,693
Speaker 16: to see.

1037
00:51:38,693 --> 00:51:40,293
Speaker 14: Up today happily.

1038
00:51:41,093 --> 00:51:45,053
Speaker 16: But I don't think you still can completely discount the

1039
00:51:45,093 --> 00:51:50,053
Speaker 16: potential influence. For example, the popes made some previous Pope

1040
00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:56,373
Speaker 16: made some very strong remarks about Palestine Israel situation, and

1041
00:51:56,413 --> 00:52:00,733
Speaker 16: that's made American Catholics feel very uncomfortable. And I was

1042
00:52:00,893 --> 00:52:05,333
Speaker 16: most intrigued that apparently one of the right wing capitalist

1043
00:52:05,373 --> 00:52:10,293
Speaker 16: groups in the States has been taking theotential influential cardinals

1044
00:52:10,693 --> 00:52:14,253
Speaker 16: out for lunch in Rome over the last week and

1045
00:52:14,293 --> 00:52:17,653
Speaker 16: a half to make sure that they get somebody who's

1046
00:52:17,693 --> 00:52:20,253
Speaker 16: not too not too socialist.

1047
00:52:19,853 --> 00:52:24,813
Speaker 2: So someone a bit more benedict like going forward. Well,

1048
00:52:24,813 --> 00:52:25,813
Speaker 2: incredibly interesting.

1049
00:52:26,093 --> 00:52:28,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, So gut field, Peter, I know it's very hard

1050
00:52:29,133 --> 00:52:31,253
Speaker 3: to determin it because it is a secret conclave, but

1051
00:52:31,533 --> 00:52:34,173
Speaker 3: I believe, I understand stand. It took two days to

1052
00:52:34,213 --> 00:52:37,613
Speaker 3: select Pope Francis last time. What's your gut field this time?

1053
00:52:37,653 --> 00:52:39,733
Speaker 3: Do you think it will be fast or maybe sometime?

1054
00:52:41,693 --> 00:52:44,973
Speaker 16: I think it will all be done by Friday, right

1055
00:52:45,493 --> 00:52:48,373
Speaker 16: Friday night, I think, I think, I mean, it may

1056
00:52:48,453 --> 00:52:51,333
Speaker 16: take one more vote than it took with Francis, but

1057
00:52:51,493 --> 00:52:54,573
Speaker 16: people pretty quickly get realistic. They hear the results of

1058
00:52:54,613 --> 00:52:56,373
Speaker 16: the votes, so.

1059
00:52:56,293 --> 00:53:00,053
Speaker 2: It's not a sacred ballot ballot, it's you hear, well,

1060
00:53:00,493 --> 00:53:02,253
Speaker 2: you don't know who who all right, right, but you

1061
00:53:02,253 --> 00:53:03,133
Speaker 2: see which way it's going.

1062
00:53:03,213 --> 00:53:06,573
Speaker 16: Yeah, you see which way it's going. And so quite clearly,

1063
00:53:06,693 --> 00:53:10,053
Speaker 16: conversation will have gone on over and they'll come back

1064
00:53:10,293 --> 00:53:16,613
Speaker 16: when they start again tonight, and there'll be an elimination

1065
00:53:16,893 --> 00:53:21,013
Speaker 16: of various the marginal candidates and they'll throw their votes

1066
00:53:21,093 --> 00:53:24,253
Speaker 16: behind other people, and so there'll be a lot of

1067
00:53:24,293 --> 00:53:28,093
Speaker 16: conversations gone overnight. I'd be surprised if it goes beyond

1068
00:53:28,133 --> 00:53:29,093
Speaker 16: five ballots.

1069
00:53:29,373 --> 00:53:31,212
Speaker 2: And do you is it a kind of thing where

1070
00:53:31,253 --> 00:53:35,013
Speaker 2: you know front runners you have names. Obviously when they

1071
00:53:35,013 --> 00:53:37,653
Speaker 2: become the pope they get a new name, but names

1072
00:53:37,693 --> 00:53:39,973
Speaker 2: that are at the top of the top of contention.

1073
00:53:41,373 --> 00:53:44,053
Speaker 16: There's a lot of names being thrown around as being

1074
00:53:44,213 --> 00:53:50,573
Speaker 16: top names. But most key watchers say this is probably

1075
00:53:50,613 --> 00:53:52,933
Speaker 16: one of the most open elections that there have been

1076
00:53:53,013 --> 00:53:57,453
Speaker 16: for ages because of all these new cardinals and there

1077
00:53:57,493 --> 00:54:00,293
Speaker 16: clearly will be people from the South who want another

1078
00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:05,693
Speaker 16: person out of the kind of Italian European domination of

1079
00:54:05,773 --> 00:54:11,733
Speaker 16: the past thousand years. But it's it's a hope can't

1080
00:54:11,773 --> 00:54:16,573
Speaker 16: speak Italian. There will be at a serious disadvantage, and

1081
00:54:16,693 --> 00:54:20,773
Speaker 16: so that might put the pressure and I'm sure the

1082
00:54:20,853 --> 00:54:24,772
Speaker 16: Italians are angling to get another at least another European back.

1083
00:54:25,293 --> 00:54:28,893
Speaker 16: So I find it very very difficult to read lettle

1084
00:54:28,933 --> 00:54:32,692
Speaker 16: Own the conservative versus liberals that's going on.

1085
00:54:33,013 --> 00:54:34,653
Speaker 17: I'm sure very.

1086
00:54:34,653 --> 00:54:37,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see a pope Pious. I'd like

1087
00:54:37,533 --> 00:54:39,733
Speaker 2: that name to come back and to use.

1088
00:54:40,333 --> 00:54:46,693
Speaker 16: Rink Oh well, yes, but you certainly want one. His politics,

1089
00:54:47,493 --> 00:54:51,493
Speaker 16: his no runting of the twelfth rubious relationships with me

1090
00:54:51,893 --> 00:54:53,212
Speaker 16: with Anazi Germany.

1091
00:54:53,533 --> 00:54:56,173
Speaker 2: I was, I was pissed, the ninth the longest pope

1092
00:54:56,253 --> 00:55:05,573
Speaker 2: running pope. But yeah, the shock. Okay, so not another pis.

1093
00:55:08,693 --> 00:55:11,253
Speaker 3: Peter. It's been lovely chatting with you. Thank you very

1094
00:55:11,333 --> 00:55:14,933
Speaker 3: much for your expertise and time, and hopefully we'll catch

1095
00:55:15,013 --> 00:55:18,212
Speaker 3: up maybe next week if there is an election of

1096
00:55:18,253 --> 00:55:19,053
Speaker 3: our new pope.

1097
00:55:19,813 --> 00:55:21,652
Speaker 16: Indeed, yes, very good, thank you.

1098
00:55:21,773 --> 00:55:25,093
Speaker 3: That is Professor Peter Lynham. He is a religious expert

1099
00:55:25,253 --> 00:55:28,453
Speaker 3: and scholar of religious history, but keen to get your

1100
00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:33,213
Speaker 3: views on the new pope while the secret conclave is underway.

1101
00:55:34,013 --> 00:55:35,693
Speaker 3: What do you want to see out of your new pope? Oh,

1102
00:55:35,733 --> 00:55:37,973
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. You can also take nine

1103
00:55:38,013 --> 00:55:40,133
Speaker 3: to ninety two. And where does the pope sit for

1104
00:55:40,173 --> 00:55:43,533
Speaker 3: you in modern times? The influence obviously of the Catholic

1105
00:55:43,653 --> 00:55:46,933
Speaker 3: Church and many Catholic people in the world one point

1106
00:55:46,933 --> 00:55:50,533
Speaker 3: four billions. Peter said, where does that influence it for you? Really?

1107
00:55:50,533 --> 00:55:51,973
Speaker 3: Can you get your thoughts on this one?

1108
00:55:52,053 --> 00:55:54,173
Speaker 2: This textas says, the Catholic religion is a cult and

1109
00:55:54,213 --> 00:55:56,693
Speaker 2: this pope thing just proves it. You guys should not

1110
00:55:56,733 --> 00:55:57,333
Speaker 2: be talking about it.

1111
00:55:57,453 --> 00:56:04,693
Speaker 3: Ah, you go twenty four past two, matd Heathen Tyler

1112
00:56:04,733 --> 00:56:08,133
Speaker 3: Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty on

1113
00:56:08,173 --> 00:56:10,813
Speaker 3: you talk, said, good afternoon, twenty six past two, and

1114
00:56:10,813 --> 00:56:12,733
Speaker 3: we're talking about the election of the new Pope. The

1115
00:56:12,773 --> 00:56:18,213
Speaker 3: conclave is underway. No pope early today, but as of tomorrow,

1116
00:56:18,213 --> 00:56:20,653
Speaker 3: I believe it will be four votes per day until

1117
00:56:20,693 --> 00:56:22,893
Speaker 3: you see that white smoke and they elect a new pope.

1118
00:56:23,253 --> 00:56:26,212
Speaker 2: Did you call it the pope? Our pope? This Texas says,

1119
00:56:26,213 --> 00:56:28,253
Speaker 2: why do you say our pope? He's not our pope.

1120
00:56:28,773 --> 00:56:31,093
Speaker 3: And it's a good point, as I mentioned that what

1121
00:56:31,173 --> 00:56:34,212
Speaker 3: were here, here's the piece is the pope. Yeah, there's

1122
00:56:34,253 --> 00:56:34,853
Speaker 3: only one pope.

1123
00:56:34,853 --> 00:56:37,893
Speaker 2: There's only only one pope. Yeah, you know, there's a

1124
00:56:37,893 --> 00:56:40,333
Speaker 2: few Buddha, but there's only one pope exactly.

1125
00:56:40,533 --> 00:56:42,413
Speaker 3: So in that case, he is our pope. And I'll

1126
00:56:42,413 --> 00:56:44,173
Speaker 3: guess say I'm not religious, but I still think he

1127
00:56:44,293 --> 00:56:44,853
Speaker 3: is our pope.

1128
00:56:44,893 --> 00:56:47,293
Speaker 2: This is an interesting question from Tammy. Hi, guys, does

1129
00:56:47,333 --> 00:56:50,533
Speaker 2: the pope always have to be old? I know that

1130
00:56:50,613 --> 00:56:52,853
Speaker 2: you have to be under eighty to vote for the pope,

1131
00:56:53,213 --> 00:56:56,013
Speaker 2: but the pope does tend to I mean, you know,

1132
00:56:56,093 --> 00:56:58,133
Speaker 2: if they threw a guy in in his fifties and

1133
00:56:58,133 --> 00:56:59,533
Speaker 2: you might get a you know, it might get a

1134
00:56:59,573 --> 00:57:00,773
Speaker 2: lot longer run out of him.

1135
00:57:00,853 --> 00:57:02,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, when was the last time we had

1136
00:57:02,853 --> 00:57:04,933
Speaker 3: a young pope? So to speak? Fifty would be considered

1137
00:57:04,933 --> 00:57:07,773
Speaker 3: a young pope. Wasn't there a TV show called The

1138
00:57:07,813 --> 00:57:08,973
Speaker 3: Young Pope?

1139
00:57:09,853 --> 00:57:12,733
Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Unknown by most, there's a genuine prophecy.

1140
00:57:13,253 --> 00:57:15,373
Speaker 2: Is this such a thing? Declaring that the Catholic Church

1141
00:57:15,413 --> 00:57:17,693
Speaker 2: in Rome will be nuclear bomb. Russia will drop a

1142
00:57:17,773 --> 00:57:19,893
Speaker 2: nuke down the chimney of the Vatican. Dennis, Well, that's

1143
00:57:19,893 --> 00:57:22,853
Speaker 2: an interesting take. Yeah, as a Catholic, I'm hoping for

1144
00:57:22,853 --> 00:57:26,053
Speaker 2: the incumbent Pope to have the same widespread acceptance of

1145
00:57:26,093 --> 00:57:30,133
Speaker 2: the vulnerable, the homoseexual community, etc. Whether or not he's

1146
00:57:30,413 --> 00:57:32,613
Speaker 2: important to the world these days is irrelevant. If you

1147
00:57:32,613 --> 00:57:34,413
Speaker 2: are a Catholic. The Pope will always be the most

1148
00:57:34,413 --> 00:57:37,173
Speaker 2: important figure head for the Catholic here on earth. And

1149
00:57:37,173 --> 00:57:40,133
Speaker 2: and there's one point four billion Catholics, so you know,

1150
00:57:40,133 --> 00:57:42,653
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people texting through saying the Pope

1151
00:57:42,693 --> 00:57:45,093
Speaker 2: is irrelevant. The Pope has nothing to do with anything,

1152
00:57:45,453 --> 00:57:48,453
Speaker 2: but anyone that is the leader of a church of

1153
00:57:48,493 --> 00:57:52,933
Speaker 2: one point four billion members as an important person on

1154
00:57:52,973 --> 00:57:55,813
Speaker 2: the planet. There's no way you can you can deny

1155
00:57:55,893 --> 00:57:57,813
Speaker 2: that one point four billion people.

1156
00:57:58,093 --> 00:58:01,333
Speaker 3: And to have a figure like the Pope that commands,

1157
00:58:01,973 --> 00:58:04,573
Speaker 3: you know, the presidents and world leaders come to the Pope,

1158
00:58:04,573 --> 00:58:07,853
Speaker 3: not the other way around. That is incredible influence that

1159
00:58:07,933 --> 00:58:12,573
Speaker 3: they or they often try and get the Pope's influence

1160
00:58:12,653 --> 00:58:14,253
Speaker 3: because it's so incredibly important.

1161
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:20,333
Speaker 2: After the eggs Benedict experience, nice part. I hope they

1162
00:58:20,413 --> 00:58:22,613
Speaker 2: go for someone outside their usual sphere. Well, they did,

1163
00:58:22,653 --> 00:58:27,173
Speaker 2: with Francis, didn't they He was outside of their usual.

1164
00:58:26,933 --> 00:58:29,773
Speaker 3: Sphere, very liberal Argantinian yep.

1165
00:58:29,893 --> 00:58:32,333
Speaker 2: And now they're looking to go back into this theere.

1166
00:58:32,373 --> 00:58:34,253
Speaker 2: I think yeah. I mean Francis used to be a

1167
00:58:34,293 --> 00:58:36,093
Speaker 2: bouncer at clubs and stuff.

1168
00:58:36,253 --> 00:58:38,333
Speaker 3: When you told me that instead get out. But you're

1169
00:58:38,373 --> 00:58:42,733
Speaker 3: quite right. This is a nice one from Matthew. Guys,

1170
00:58:42,773 --> 00:58:44,973
Speaker 3: there's a TV show on this pope contest. Let's call

1171
00:58:45,013 --> 00:58:48,013
Speaker 3: it Pope Idol. Someone can call Simon cow and get

1172
00:58:48,053 --> 00:58:51,853
Speaker 3: those people pretenders singing and dancing, Thank you very much.

1173
00:58:53,293 --> 00:58:54,413
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that would work.

1174
00:58:54,533 --> 00:58:57,133
Speaker 3: I would watch, would you Pope Idol?

1175
00:58:57,133 --> 00:58:57,333
Speaker 4: Though?

1176
00:58:57,453 --> 00:59:00,773
Speaker 3: I mean if there were cameras inside that conclave watching

1177
00:59:00,813 --> 00:59:03,053
Speaker 3: it all unfold, of course I would. I'm so fascinated

1178
00:59:03,093 --> 00:59:05,813
Speaker 3: with what's going on in that system when it.

1179
00:59:05,773 --> 00:59:07,573
Speaker 2: Comes to you know what I say before about a

1180
00:59:07,613 --> 00:59:10,053
Speaker 2: younger Pope. John Paul the Second was fifty eight when

1181
00:59:10,053 --> 00:59:13,493
Speaker 2: he was elected, so that's twenty six years as pope. Well, oh,

1182
00:59:13,533 --> 00:59:15,733
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. What do you want

1183
00:59:15,773 --> 00:59:18,773
Speaker 2: from the new pope if you're if you're Catholic, what

1184
00:59:18,813 --> 00:59:21,773
Speaker 2: do you think about the pope in general and how

1185
00:59:21,813 --> 00:59:25,093
Speaker 2: important he is in the world and it will be

1186
00:59:25,133 --> 00:59:25,373
Speaker 2: a he.

1187
00:59:25,613 --> 00:59:29,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how will the new pope do you think

1188
00:59:29,013 --> 00:59:31,213
Speaker 3: measure up with Francis? Your thoughts on Francis as well

1189
00:59:31,213 --> 00:59:33,373
Speaker 3: as a very liberal pope. Would you like to see

1190
00:59:33,413 --> 00:59:35,493
Speaker 3: someone just as liberal or is it time to go

1191
00:59:35,613 --> 00:59:38,733
Speaker 3: back to someone more conservative like Pope Benedict. Wow?

1192
00:59:38,773 --> 00:59:40,253
Speaker 2: This Texas says we need to go back to the

1193
00:59:40,253 --> 00:59:43,613
Speaker 2: youngest ever Benedict the Ninth was eighteen years old.

1194
00:59:43,853 --> 00:59:44,133
Speaker 3: Wow.

1195
00:59:44,573 --> 00:59:47,173
Speaker 2: But he was elected in ten thirty two. AD.

1196
00:59:47,253 --> 00:59:49,133
Speaker 3: It's a long runway. If you're eighteen, you can get

1197
00:59:49,133 --> 00:59:51,573
Speaker 3: a lot done. It is bang on harpass. But keen

1198
00:59:51,613 --> 00:59:54,493
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on the new pope as the

1199
00:59:54,573 --> 00:59:56,693
Speaker 3: election is under way. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1200
00:59:56,733 --> 00:59:57,573
Speaker 3: eighty is a number to call.

1201
00:59:57,693 --> 00:59:59,213
Speaker 2: More likely to be a virgin if you're eight.

1202
01:00:02,173 --> 01:00:05,733
Speaker 13: Us talk sai'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

1203
01:00:05,813 --> 01:00:09,813
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime repeated warnings

1204
01:00:09,893 --> 01:00:14,293
Speaker 13: not to expect to cash splash in this month's budget,

1205
01:00:14,293 --> 01:00:17,693
Speaker 13: and told a business audience his government has a responsibility

1206
01:00:17,853 --> 01:00:21,413
Speaker 13: to stay disciplined. Chris Luckson says there'll be a focus

1207
01:00:21,693 --> 01:00:26,933
Speaker 13: on commercialization and stronger government ties with business Labour. Zeischeverel

1208
01:00:26,973 --> 01:00:30,053
Speaker 13: has put forward a member's bill that would require ministers

1209
01:00:30,093 --> 01:00:34,853
Speaker 13: to publicly declear industry interests, targeting links with tobacco companies.

1210
01:00:35,733 --> 01:00:39,613
Speaker 13: Master Electricians are taking the Liquidatas of Stanley Group companies

1211
01:00:39,813 --> 01:00:43,733
Speaker 13: to the High Court over unpaid subcontract to fees over

1212
01:00:43,813 --> 01:00:48,573
Speaker 13: recovered money being absorbed by Liquidata fees. A councilor says

1213
01:00:48,573 --> 01:00:51,573
Speaker 13: and investigators confirmed a fire at a Ministry of Social

1214
01:00:51,573 --> 01:00:55,573
Speaker 13: Development building in Auckland's Glennonis this morning was not suspicious.

1215
01:00:56,413 --> 01:01:00,013
Speaker 13: Poor weather has forced searchers to suspend the hunt for

1216
01:01:00,053 --> 01:01:02,973
Speaker 13: tramp at Eli Sweeting, who didn't return from a day

1217
01:01:03,013 --> 01:01:07,373
Speaker 13: tramp at Milford Sounds might appeak on Sunday. Nikola Willa's

1218
01:01:07,413 --> 01:01:11,213
Speaker 13: face is an uphill target battle with fiscal deficits. Read

1219
01:01:11,253 --> 01:01:13,813
Speaker 13: the full column at Enzen Herald Premium. Now back to

1220
01:01:13,853 --> 01:01:15,133
Speaker 13: Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1221
01:01:16,213 --> 01:01:18,373
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan, and we're talking about the

1222
01:01:18,413 --> 01:01:21,253
Speaker 3: election of the new Pope. It's currently underway. The conclave

1223
01:01:21,733 --> 01:01:23,933
Speaker 3: is sitting for as long as it takes into a

1224
01:01:24,053 --> 01:01:27,413
Speaker 3: new pope is elected. One hundred and thirty three cardinals

1225
01:01:27,573 --> 01:01:28,613
Speaker 3: in that meeting.

1226
01:01:29,533 --> 01:01:34,813
Speaker 2: Including our one, right, yes, so is it John Due?

1227
01:01:34,853 --> 01:01:36,493
Speaker 3: It is Cardinal John Due.

1228
01:01:36,733 --> 01:01:39,293
Speaker 2: So if there's one hundred and thirty three voting on it,

1229
01:01:39,413 --> 01:01:42,893
Speaker 2: then and then we've got a zero point seven to

1230
01:01:42,973 --> 01:01:46,533
Speaker 2: five percent of a chance of the Pope being New Zealand.

1231
01:01:46,573 --> 01:01:49,093
Speaker 2: Of course we don't really have that because his name

1232
01:01:49,093 --> 01:01:51,533
Speaker 2: probably won't be banditing about at the at the top

1233
01:01:51,573 --> 01:01:56,213
Speaker 2: of the of the contenders, but arguably a zero point

1234
01:01:56,293 --> 01:01:58,973
Speaker 2: seven five percent chance of the Pope being Kiwi. How

1235
01:01:58,973 --> 01:01:59,613
Speaker 2: good would that be?

1236
01:01:59,813 --> 01:02:02,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's better than zero. Yeah, a New Zealand Pope.

1237
01:02:02,453 --> 01:02:03,253
Speaker 3: I think we'd all love that.

1238
01:02:03,413 --> 01:02:04,973
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and then all these people telling us to

1239
01:02:04,973 --> 01:02:06,973
Speaker 2: stop referring to the Pope is our pope, then we'd

1240
01:02:06,973 --> 01:02:09,213
Speaker 2: have then then we'd be in and good Steve when

1241
01:02:09,253 --> 01:02:12,533
Speaker 2: we were doing that, Uh, learn your thoughts on this.

1242
01:02:13,733 --> 01:02:15,773
Speaker 10: Oh hi, I still got the influence of the pope,

1243
01:02:16,493 --> 01:02:18,533
Speaker 10: and it was Pope Francis at the time. But we're

1244
01:02:18,533 --> 01:02:22,453
Speaker 10: a few years ago. We're in Palermo in Sicily, and

1245
01:02:22,453 --> 01:02:25,653
Speaker 10: that whole area that most of slicely Sicily is very

1246
01:02:25,813 --> 01:02:29,933
Speaker 10: mafia based, and there was a priest there who was

1247
01:02:30,173 --> 01:02:35,653
Speaker 10: very anti the hold that they had on the city

1248
01:02:35,773 --> 01:02:39,653
Speaker 10: and the rest of Palmo and probably Sicily.

1249
01:02:39,813 --> 01:02:42,573
Speaker 2: That the mafia hold, that the mafia had the mafia.

1250
01:02:42,933 --> 01:02:45,933
Speaker 10: Yes, I mean there's size all over the place. It's

1251
01:02:45,973 --> 01:02:49,813
Speaker 10: it's you know, stop the mafia and things. That's really

1252
01:02:50,053 --> 01:02:53,173
Speaker 10: was very odd, and that this priest was very outspoken

1253
01:02:53,293 --> 01:02:55,613
Speaker 10: and very much against them and standing up to them,

1254
01:02:55,613 --> 01:02:59,933
Speaker 10: which was pretty unusual and dangerous. And eventually he was

1255
01:02:59,973 --> 01:03:01,533
Speaker 10: assassinated by the Marfia.

1256
01:03:01,733 --> 01:03:03,213
Speaker 2: Wow, what.

1257
01:03:04,853 --> 01:03:05,093
Speaker 8: Was this.

1258
01:03:07,053 --> 01:03:07,653
Speaker 21: Three years ago?

1259
01:03:08,853 --> 01:03:12,533
Speaker 10: Not that long ago? And we were about to going

1260
01:03:12,573 --> 01:03:16,813
Speaker 10: to the into the city of Pinemo, and they said,

1261
01:03:16,813 --> 01:03:19,213
Speaker 10: I look, perdvise you to do not to go because

1262
01:03:19,973 --> 01:03:23,053
Speaker 10: Pope Paracess was coming over and he was there to

1263
01:03:23,133 --> 01:03:26,293
Speaker 10: calm everybody down and to stop the retaliation because they

1264
01:03:26,373 --> 01:03:28,813
Speaker 10: riscared there'd be a whole war between the Catholic Church

1265
01:03:29,013 --> 01:03:35,253
Speaker 10: and the and the people and the mafia. Wow, we

1266
01:03:35,373 --> 01:03:39,013
Speaker 10: wanted them regardless. And there was just hundreds of thousands

1267
01:03:39,053 --> 01:03:41,013
Speaker 10: of people there and the Pope came out and they

1268
01:03:41,013 --> 01:03:44,413
Speaker 10: were absolutely crazy. Whatever he said and whatever which he

1269
01:03:44,453 --> 01:03:47,413
Speaker 10: was speaking at it did. People settled down and there

1270
01:03:47,453 --> 01:03:49,933
Speaker 10: actually was as far as when we were there for

1271
01:03:49,933 --> 01:03:53,773
Speaker 10: a few weeks in Sicily and reading and hearings bits

1272
01:03:53,813 --> 01:03:56,933
Speaker 10: and pieces there was, there was no retaliation, and his

1273
01:03:57,173 --> 01:04:00,613
Speaker 10: influence had little things that didn't stop. Mafia didn't rest

1274
01:04:00,693 --> 01:04:03,173
Speaker 10: on them, but it certainly had an influence on the

1275
01:04:03,173 --> 01:04:04,533
Speaker 10: people there not to retaliate.

1276
01:04:04,853 --> 01:04:09,293
Speaker 2: So it was known that the mafia had assassinated this car.

1277
01:04:09,533 --> 01:04:13,733
Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely, absolutely, that's right. I mean they were. They're

1278
01:04:13,773 --> 01:04:16,973
Speaker 10: not shy about it. They have so much control and.

1279
01:04:18,533 --> 01:04:20,533
Speaker 2: So much control it's not and that's not being a

1280
01:04:20,533 --> 01:04:22,373
Speaker 2: good Catholic killing the cardinal, is it?

1281
01:04:22,413 --> 01:04:23,413
Speaker 3: Certainly not? No?

1282
01:04:23,573 --> 01:04:26,533
Speaker 10: Well no no, but I don't think you're going to

1283
01:04:26,533 --> 01:04:28,573
Speaker 10: go around killing people. That doesn't make you good anything,

1284
01:04:28,613 --> 01:04:28,893
Speaker 10: does it?

1285
01:04:29,253 --> 01:04:31,133
Speaker 2: No? No, But but you know what I mean, because

1286
01:04:31,413 --> 01:04:35,053
Speaker 2: because mafioso tend to you know, one thing that they

1287
01:04:35,093 --> 01:04:39,613
Speaker 2: have is their Catholic faith. So it is interesting that

1288
01:04:39,613 --> 01:04:43,093
Speaker 2: that would be thrown out the window eforts happens to

1289
01:04:43,333 --> 01:04:45,773
Speaker 2: be going up against your business interests.

1290
01:04:45,453 --> 01:04:49,573
Speaker 10: As it were, exactly, But it was just seeing the

1291
01:04:49,613 --> 01:04:53,413
Speaker 10: way he was calm, he was measured. He went in

1292
01:04:53,653 --> 01:04:55,493
Speaker 10: and I'm not Catholics, so you know, it's a litle

1293
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Speaker 10: bit of a mystery, but he was calm, he was

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Speaker 10: and just well, everyone together that we're ready to go

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Speaker 10: out and fight back. And they, you know, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is an incredible story. Did you know what

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01:05:09,413 --> 01:05:11,653
Speaker 3: happened in the end of that? Did the mafia have

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01:05:11,813 --> 01:05:15,133
Speaker 3: to say sorry or come to the table or say

1300
01:05:15,133 --> 01:05:16,693
Speaker 3: we got this role I had And it wouldn't have

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01:05:16,693 --> 01:05:18,253
Speaker 3: worked out well for them, as you say, if the

1302
01:05:18,253 --> 01:05:21,173
Speaker 3: Pope wasn't there and the people revolted against the mafia,

1303
01:05:21,413 --> 01:05:22,773
Speaker 3: they would have come out second best.

1304
01:05:23,733 --> 01:05:28,413
Speaker 10: They most certainly would have done. And from the hotel

1305
01:05:28,493 --> 01:05:30,693
Speaker 10: that was telling us, he said, yeah, that's exactly what

1306
01:05:30,733 --> 01:05:34,613
Speaker 10: would happened, and they didn't want that, so bringing the

1307
01:05:34,653 --> 01:05:37,253
Speaker 10: pope and it was very short notice because it was

1308
01:05:37,293 --> 01:05:39,293
Speaker 10: like a couple of days after after the priest had

1309
01:05:39,293 --> 01:05:39,853
Speaker 10: been killed.

1310
01:05:40,973 --> 01:05:43,413
Speaker 3: How close did you get to Pope Francis? Was he

1311
01:05:43,613 --> 01:05:45,293
Speaker 3: was there a lot a lot of security around us?

1312
01:05:46,093 --> 01:05:48,573
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, no, no chance of getting anywhere near him.

1313
01:05:48,573 --> 01:05:51,613
Speaker 10: And we were just being in the square because we

1314
01:05:51,613 --> 01:05:53,253
Speaker 10: were around the area and when he was here and

1315
01:05:53,293 --> 01:05:56,053
Speaker 10: we kind of could well the taller people could could

1316
01:05:56,053 --> 01:05:58,733
Speaker 10: see it in your area.

1317
01:05:58,853 --> 01:06:02,533
Speaker 3: So you okay, how cool experience.

1318
01:06:02,573 --> 01:06:03,893
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call.

1319
01:06:04,053 --> 01:06:05,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1320
01:06:06,053 --> 01:06:09,693
Speaker 3: number to call your thoughts on who the next pope

1321
01:06:09,693 --> 01:06:12,293
Speaker 3: should be, and what the next pope should be in

1322
01:06:12,413 --> 01:06:16,293
Speaker 3: terms of liberal versus conservative. Pope Francis was clearly a

1323
01:06:16,373 --> 01:06:20,173
Speaker 3: controversial figure, very liberal in terms of popees as a time.

1324
01:06:20,333 --> 01:06:22,453
Speaker 3: Would you like to see a return to someone like

1325
01:06:22,493 --> 01:06:25,173
Speaker 3: Pope Benedict was very very conservative? Love to hear your

1326
01:06:25,173 --> 01:06:25,853
Speaker 3: thoughts and.

1327
01:06:25,853 --> 01:06:28,133
Speaker 2: Look, Tyler, I love a fun fact, as you know,

1328
01:06:28,213 --> 01:06:31,573
Speaker 2: I love a punishing fun facts. So my question is

1329
01:06:31,933 --> 01:06:36,213
Speaker 2: for you, what does the word mavia mean? What does

1330
01:06:36,253 --> 01:06:39,173
Speaker 2: it derive from? Mafiosa nine too?

1331
01:06:39,173 --> 01:06:42,133
Speaker 3: If you think you know it is twenty one to.

1332
01:06:42,053 --> 01:06:46,733
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon

1333
01:06:46,813 --> 01:06:51,013
Speaker 1: rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News talksa'd be.

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01:06:51,373 --> 01:06:54,253
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program.

1335
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Speaker 2: So the answer to Mike Curly question, what does mafia mean?

1336
01:06:58,173 --> 01:07:03,853
Speaker 2: Originally it's derived from the word the Sicilian objective adjective mafioso,

1337
01:07:04,253 --> 01:07:07,973
Speaker 2: which roughly translates to swagger, oh, boldness or bravado.

1338
01:07:08,173 --> 01:07:11,533
Speaker 3: They certainly are there afia? Yeah, well I say that

1339
01:07:11,613 --> 01:07:13,533
Speaker 3: based on the Sopranos. So what do I know? You

1340
01:07:13,533 --> 01:07:15,213
Speaker 3: know that's a fictional retelling.

1341
01:07:15,133 --> 01:07:17,653
Speaker 2: A better gang name than the Mongol mob.

1342
01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:25,373
Speaker 3: That certainly is uh Patricia. Now we'll go, oh yeah, Richard,

1343
01:07:25,413 --> 01:07:25,893
Speaker 3: how are you?

1344
01:07:26,893 --> 01:07:27,293
Speaker 15: Oh?

1345
01:07:27,333 --> 01:07:29,533
Speaker 20: Thank you guys for taking a call. I really enjoy

1346
01:07:29,573 --> 01:07:32,093
Speaker 20: your programs, and I'm sometimes out driving I have to

1347
01:07:32,133 --> 01:07:37,013
Speaker 20: pull on the road and listen to you, Richard, Professor Lame.

1348
01:07:37,093 --> 01:07:40,453
Speaker 20: I really enjoy him when particularly he's on television. There's

1349
01:07:40,493 --> 01:07:43,893
Speaker 20: just a few historical facts, only three I'll mentioned for you.

1350
01:07:44,293 --> 01:07:48,333
Speaker 20: Did you know there's been one English Pope, Nicholas Breakspeare,

1351
01:07:48,373 --> 01:07:51,333
Speaker 20: who became Pope Adrian. I forget the number in about

1352
01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:54,933
Speaker 20: eleven hundred and something, right, Pope Nicholas is a scholar here,

1353
01:07:55,373 --> 01:07:58,893
Speaker 20: Nicholas Breakspeare. He was an Oxford student, and he became

1354
01:07:58,973 --> 01:08:03,413
Speaker 20: Pope Adrian. I forget which number right, hour.

1355
01:08:03,573 --> 01:08:06,133
Speaker 2: So teen sixty six when William the Conqueror came in

1356
01:08:06,613 --> 01:08:10,413
Speaker 2: supported my potract can They changed up the church in

1357
01:08:10,453 --> 01:08:12,893
Speaker 2: England a lot to make it more aligned with the.

1358
01:08:12,933 --> 01:08:15,253
Speaker 20: Vatican di And the other thing is the Pope was

1359
01:08:15,373 --> 01:08:18,732
Speaker 20: very much a temporal ruler up till nineteen twenty nine,

1360
01:08:18,853 --> 01:08:22,013
Speaker 20: ruling the center of Italy as the Papal States, and

1361
01:08:22,093 --> 01:08:26,372
Speaker 20: of course Mussolini signed the latter and treaty with the papacy,

1362
01:08:26,772 --> 01:08:29,532
Speaker 20: in which the pope gave up all the temporal powers

1363
01:08:29,772 --> 01:08:32,692
Speaker 20: of those states, and the one square mile of the

1364
01:08:32,772 --> 01:08:35,692
Speaker 20: Vatican became a country, and the pope had to leave

1365
01:08:35,732 --> 01:08:40,253
Speaker 20: the Quirinali Palace and live in the Vatican. And so

1366
01:08:40,372 --> 01:08:42,732
Speaker 20: that's just one of the historical things of it. And

1367
01:08:42,772 --> 01:08:44,973
Speaker 20: at one stage in history there was a sort of

1368
01:08:45,013 --> 01:08:47,772
Speaker 20: schism and there were two popes, one living in Avignon

1369
01:08:47,973 --> 01:08:51,172
Speaker 20: and one in Rome. Wow, how did they the Middle Ages?

1370
01:08:51,253 --> 01:08:52,492
Speaker 2: How did they get sorted out?

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01:08:53,612 --> 01:08:56,412
Speaker 20: I can't remember quite you take one, must read more

1372
01:08:56,452 --> 01:09:00,612
Speaker 20: about it. But the latter, and of course the papacy

1373
01:09:00,692 --> 01:09:04,052
Speaker 20: to this day sends diplomats around the world. The papal

1374
01:09:04,133 --> 01:09:07,612
Speaker 20: nuncios are credited to all the countries, so you'll get

1375
01:09:07,612 --> 01:09:10,772
Speaker 20: somebody of the think of an archbishop or something stationed

1376
01:09:10,772 --> 01:09:14,092
Speaker 20: in New Zealand. There'd be one in Australia, one in America,

1377
01:09:14,173 --> 01:09:16,572
Speaker 20: one in Canada, and certainly the people nuncia in the

1378
01:09:16,692 --> 01:09:21,053
Speaker 20: United Kingdom. So they still have quite a power with

1379
01:09:21,093 --> 01:09:21,973
Speaker 20: their diplomacy.

1380
01:09:22,492 --> 01:09:24,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Richard,

1381
01:09:24,973 --> 01:09:28,452
Speaker 2: appreciate that. What's kind of interesting about the Catholic Church.

1382
01:09:28,492 --> 01:09:31,732
Speaker 2: I was reading this interesting theory that the Roman Empire

1383
01:09:31,812 --> 01:09:35,933
Speaker 2: never died, it just transitioned into the Catholic Church. I

1384
01:09:35,933 --> 01:09:39,173
Speaker 2: mean it all comes out of Rome. And you know

1385
01:09:39,253 --> 01:09:43,572
Speaker 2: when around Rome changed from its gods to the Roman

1386
01:09:43,612 --> 01:09:49,093
Speaker 2: gods to Christianity then moved through and in ancient Rome

1387
01:09:49,133 --> 01:09:54,972
Speaker 2: they had you know, religious leaders called Pompeius that became

1388
01:09:55,013 --> 01:09:59,213
Speaker 2: the popes. So the Roman Empire just just pivoted, like

1389
01:09:59,293 --> 01:10:02,972
Speaker 2: all good businesses, into becoming the Catholic Church.

1390
01:10:03,013 --> 01:10:04,612
Speaker 3: That is a hell of a transition, though, wasn't it

1391
01:10:04,612 --> 01:10:07,333
Speaker 3: to go from the Roman gods to say, hey, by

1392
01:10:07,372 --> 01:10:11,092
Speaker 3: the way, Zeus, he's not the man anything.

1393
01:10:10,893 --> 01:10:14,412
Speaker 2: There was Augustus, Wasn't It was Augustus someone or No.

1394
01:10:14,572 --> 01:10:17,932
Speaker 2: Nine two nine two who decided to you know, it's

1395
01:10:17,973 --> 01:10:23,133
Speaker 2: bigger than changing from pounds into decimal currency, isn't it. Here, Yeah,

1396
01:10:23,973 --> 01:10:28,012
Speaker 2: who are changing the whole religion and all your temples

1397
01:10:28,053 --> 01:10:29,733
Speaker 2: will now become cathedrals.

1398
01:10:29,812 --> 01:10:32,052
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1399
01:10:32,053 --> 01:10:34,013
Speaker 3: to call love to you your thoughts ahead of the

1400
01:10:34,053 --> 01:10:38,093
Speaker 3: election of the new pope. The conclave is underway, so

1401
01:10:38,173 --> 01:10:39,732
Speaker 3: can you get your thoughts? So if you've got a

1402
01:10:39,732 --> 01:10:41,732
Speaker 3: favorite pope, you're more to welcome to let us know

1403
01:10:41,772 --> 01:10:43,253
Speaker 3: on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, But what

1404
01:10:43,293 --> 01:10:46,732
Speaker 3: do you want from the new pope before they are

1405
01:10:46,772 --> 01:10:48,892
Speaker 3: elected or he is elected, because it is going to

1406
01:10:48,893 --> 01:10:49,372
Speaker 3: be a man.

1407
01:10:49,412 --> 01:10:51,933
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot. It was Constantine.

1408
01:10:52,612 --> 01:10:57,333
Speaker 3: Of course, it was Constant Constantine. Hack it up, mate,

1409
01:10:57,372 --> 01:10:58,012
Speaker 3: get in the game.

1410
01:10:58,853 --> 01:11:00,572
Speaker 2: Augustus did give us the month of August.

1411
01:11:01,133 --> 01:11:03,412
Speaker 3: Okay, it is fourteen two three.

1412
01:11:04,812 --> 01:11:07,213
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1413
01:11:07,253 --> 01:11:11,693
Speaker 1: along the way. Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk SIBB.

1414
01:11:12,973 --> 01:11:15,013
Speaker 3: News Talks. He be welcome back into the show, and

1415
01:11:15,053 --> 01:11:17,253
Speaker 3: we've been talking about the next pope as the election

1416
01:11:17,572 --> 01:11:18,852
Speaker 3: is underway right right now.

1417
01:11:18,772 --> 01:11:20,892
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got it right now. Augustus was the emperor

1418
01:11:20,933 --> 01:11:24,333
Speaker 2: when Christ was born. Okay, And you've got Constantine was

1419
01:11:24,372 --> 01:11:29,333
Speaker 2: the first Christian emperor. And then it was Theodosis who

1420
01:11:29,692 --> 01:11:35,052
Speaker 2: in thirteen eighty converted the entire Roman Empire to Christianity. Okay, okay,

1421
01:11:35,133 --> 01:11:35,612
Speaker 2: so there's three.

1422
01:11:35,812 --> 01:11:37,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, you put that to be. It is confirmed.

1423
01:11:37,772 --> 01:11:39,293
Speaker 2: Just in case those people that were just it was

1424
01:11:39,333 --> 01:11:42,333
Speaker 2: just irking them and they knew they couldn't think about

1425
01:11:42,333 --> 01:11:44,412
Speaker 2: anything else, so that was worked out. We've done it.

1426
01:11:44,412 --> 01:11:47,093
Speaker 3: Okay, that is it. Patricia, You want to have a

1427
01:11:47,133 --> 01:11:48,132
Speaker 3: chat about the word mafia.

1428
01:11:49,253 --> 01:11:52,093
Speaker 11: Well, I think everybody said what I was going to

1429
01:11:52,133 --> 01:11:55,492
Speaker 11: say anyway, But basically it came from the Sicilian word

1430
01:11:55,612 --> 01:12:00,412
Speaker 11: something like mappy us, which meant fearless and weren't afraid

1431
01:12:00,492 --> 01:12:03,372
Speaker 11: of anybody or anything, which is exactly what they are.

1432
01:12:03,532 --> 01:12:07,053
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's quite a good name, really, yeah.

1433
01:12:07,253 --> 01:12:10,213
Speaker 11: Yeah, so that's face for it. And then the other thing,

1434
01:12:10,253 --> 01:12:13,732
Speaker 11: of course, was Henry the eighth wasn't the pope wouldn't

1435
01:12:13,772 --> 01:12:16,612
Speaker 11: allow him to get married because he was already divorced,

1436
01:12:16,612 --> 01:12:19,052
Speaker 11: so he broke away from the Catholic Church and formed

1437
01:12:19,093 --> 01:12:20,492
Speaker 11: the Anglicans.

1438
01:12:20,293 --> 01:12:21,053
Speaker 3: Right, that's right.

1439
01:12:21,133 --> 01:12:22,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, if I can't do that, I'll

1440
01:12:22,933 --> 01:12:25,093
Speaker 2: start my own to it. Bold move.

1441
01:12:25,253 --> 01:12:27,093
Speaker 3: It was a bold move and six wives. I mean,

1442
01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:31,812
Speaker 3: come on, Henry Patrician. Patricia, you've got a beautiful accceing.

1443
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:35,532
Speaker 3: Do you are you watching with great interests who the

1444
01:12:35,612 --> 01:12:36,293
Speaker 3: next pope will be?

1445
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:41,213
Speaker 11: Not really no, no, not really a little bit of

1446
01:12:41,213 --> 01:12:46,452
Speaker 11: an interest, but not a huge I really have had

1447
01:12:46,532 --> 01:12:49,772
Speaker 11: interest probably when John the twenty third was you know,

1448
01:12:49,933 --> 01:12:53,213
Speaker 11: that was when I was a schoolgirl, so had a bitshop,

1449
01:12:53,293 --> 01:12:56,053
Speaker 11: you know, educated with the nuns in Ireland, so it

1450
01:12:56,173 --> 01:13:00,732
Speaker 11: was kind of your dinner breakfast, dinner and lunch or whatever.

1451
01:13:02,053 --> 01:13:02,293
Speaker 6: You know.

1452
01:13:02,572 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 11: So but no, I don't have a huge interest now.

1453
01:13:05,612 --> 01:13:07,333
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much for you call Patricia.

1454
01:13:07,452 --> 01:13:10,933
Speaker 2: What a lovely accent adds credence to my my my

1455
01:13:11,572 --> 01:13:12,772
Speaker 2: definition of the word marking.

1456
01:13:12,812 --> 01:13:15,293
Speaker 3: You know what you're talking about a couple of taxsa

1457
01:13:15,333 --> 01:13:18,253
Speaker 3: on nineteen nine two. But Lea's got a Nico your

1458
01:13:18,293 --> 01:13:19,173
Speaker 3: preference for the new.

1459
01:13:21,532 --> 01:13:23,813
Speaker 22: Tell me, I've got a lovely accent to please.

1460
01:13:24,093 --> 01:13:25,172
Speaker 3: You do beautiful.

1461
01:13:25,213 --> 01:13:30,612
Speaker 2: Where's your accent from? Nico? H. I'm an African, yep,

1462
01:13:30,652 --> 01:13:30,972
Speaker 2: I thought.

1463
01:13:31,013 --> 01:13:36,092
Speaker 22: So, I'm a Catholic, and I personally would like the

1464
01:13:36,133 --> 01:13:40,732
Speaker 22: next folk to be Indonesian because Iland, Indonesia is the

1465
01:13:40,732 --> 01:13:45,852
Speaker 22: third biggest Catholic congregation outside of the Vatican and Arome,

1466
01:13:45,933 --> 01:13:49,612
Speaker 22: of course, so I would like the Indonesians to have

1467
01:13:49,692 --> 01:13:51,572
Speaker 22: a ves focused on around.

1468
01:13:52,253 --> 01:13:55,053
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I've.

1469
01:13:54,173 --> 01:13:57,492
Speaker 22: Also got an interesting fact for you guys that the

1470
01:13:57,652 --> 01:14:00,972
Speaker 22: Catholic Church is the oldest running institution in the world

1471
01:14:01,133 --> 01:14:06,253
Speaker 22: and also the biggest provider of education outside of any

1472
01:14:06,253 --> 01:14:11,293
Speaker 22: government anywhere in the world. Yeah, it's really amazing.

1473
01:14:11,532 --> 01:14:14,892
Speaker 3: That is amazing, That is incredible. So you're watching with

1474
01:14:15,013 --> 01:14:16,412
Speaker 3: great interest. Nko, it's fair to.

1475
01:14:16,412 --> 01:14:21,732
Speaker 22: Say, oh yeah, definitely, definitely. I will be honest with you, guys.

1476
01:14:21,772 --> 01:14:24,093
Speaker 22: I was not a big fan of both frances For me,

1477
01:14:24,173 --> 01:14:27,532
Speaker 22: the most favorite pope was fo Jon Pauver sick of

1478
01:14:27,572 --> 01:14:32,372
Speaker 22: the published one. I just love him to promone mm and.

1479
01:14:32,253 --> 01:14:34,333
Speaker 3: What didn't you like about Pote Francis? Do you think

1480
01:14:34,333 --> 01:14:37,052
Speaker 3: he was a little bit too liberal? He pushed things

1481
01:14:37,093 --> 01:14:38,293
Speaker 3: a little bit too far.

1482
01:14:40,452 --> 01:14:43,692
Speaker 22: No, no, yeah, but as well, especially when he was

1483
01:14:43,772 --> 01:14:48,013
Speaker 22: in America, that they should not get people out of

1484
01:14:48,013 --> 01:14:49,933
Speaker 22: a country that's illegal. And at the same time, the

1485
01:14:50,013 --> 01:14:52,732
Speaker 22: Vatican is most probably one of the most protected places

1486
01:14:52,732 --> 01:14:55,053
Speaker 22: in the world, and then he tells other people like

1487
01:14:55,133 --> 01:14:58,253
Speaker 22: America not to protect their borders. That put me a

1488
01:14:58,293 --> 01:15:03,692
Speaker 22: little bit offside with him, but it's just in honesty.

1489
01:15:03,732 --> 01:15:05,973
Speaker 22: He was a very, very humble man. Was probably the

1490
01:15:06,053 --> 01:15:08,213
Speaker 22: humblest folks in many, many years.

1491
01:15:08,732 --> 01:15:11,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nico, thanks very much for giving us a buzz.

1492
01:15:11,412 --> 01:15:14,452
Speaker 3: Really nice to chat and again, beautiful accents. Thank you

1493
01:15:14,612 --> 01:15:19,892
Speaker 3: very much. Uh, Nick, can you hear me.

1494
01:15:21,612 --> 01:15:21,772
Speaker 5: Now?

1495
01:15:21,853 --> 01:15:23,772
Speaker 3: Talk to us about what you want? What do you

1496
01:15:23,812 --> 01:15:24,772
Speaker 3: want to see in the new pope.

1497
01:15:25,532 --> 01:15:29,412
Speaker 23: Yeah, well, I mean the Pope frances was a great man.

1498
01:15:30,492 --> 01:15:35,013
Speaker 23: But I mean I'm osboard upper Catholic, but I then

1499
01:15:35,053 --> 01:15:38,133
Speaker 23: became a Christian and I'm no longer a Catholic, and

1500
01:15:38,293 --> 01:15:42,333
Speaker 23: so I'm a Christian. But and there are some great

1501
01:15:42,333 --> 01:15:50,372
Speaker 23: people in the Catholic Church. But I'm you know, Francis there.

1502
01:15:50,452 --> 01:15:55,013
Speaker 23: He gave same text couples the Blessing, which is completely

1503
01:15:55,692 --> 01:16:01,133
Speaker 23: anti biblical. Jesus loves the people but hates the sin

1504
01:16:01,253 --> 01:16:08,012
Speaker 23: of homosexuality and gayness and all that. And he and also,

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01:16:08,492 --> 01:16:09,572
Speaker 23: you know, I'm going to look at some of the

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01:16:09,612 --> 01:16:13,772
Speaker 23: other Christian leaders. I mean, yes, he's the papers are

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01:16:14,213 --> 01:16:18,052
Speaker 23: very much just a political leader of the Catholic Church.

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01:16:19,492 --> 01:16:21,572
Speaker 23: But I look at some of the now. Well, a

1509
01:16:21,612 --> 01:16:24,133
Speaker 23: couple three years ago, a guy go, I name you

1510
01:16:24,173 --> 01:16:27,812
Speaker 23: probably haven't heard of, Rain hard Bonky, a German guy died.

1511
01:16:28,853 --> 01:16:31,452
Speaker 23: Now I know a guy who worked alongside of him

1512
01:16:31,492 --> 01:16:34,972
Speaker 23: in his crusades and his crusades. He had a passion

1513
01:16:35,013 --> 01:16:39,093
Speaker 23: for the African continent. And if you just people just

1514
01:16:39,213 --> 01:16:43,532
Speaker 23: google his name and what he did. What was the

1515
01:16:43,652 --> 01:16:50,213
Speaker 23: name Ryan hard Bonky? And it does nothing to him

1516
01:16:50,293 --> 01:16:53,493
Speaker 23: to have well than through seven figures at a crusade,

1517
01:16:54,133 --> 01:16:58,772
Speaker 23: huge crusades and over a million, sometimes up to two

1518
01:16:58,853 --> 01:17:03,652
Speaker 23: million will make decisions for Christ? Was he people know

1519
01:17:03,772 --> 01:17:06,173
Speaker 23: much about him? Not a lot. Gerty Graham is another

1520
01:17:06,293 --> 01:17:08,333
Speaker 23: very good man and he passed away a few years

1521
01:17:08,372 --> 01:17:15,133
Speaker 23: years ago and also currently alive. Is what's her name?

1522
01:17:15,412 --> 01:17:19,852
Speaker 23: It just swoops me in our Joyce Meyer. Joyce Meyer

1523
01:17:20,213 --> 01:17:24,053
Speaker 23: doing fantastic ministries all around the world, and people are

1524
01:17:24,053 --> 01:17:27,932
Speaker 23: coming to Christ left right in the center. Ultimately, that's

1525
01:17:28,053 --> 01:17:30,812
Speaker 23: our job to do as Christians, is to bring people

1526
01:17:30,853 --> 01:17:34,652
Speaker 23: to Christ. Now, my question is a pope Francis. Yes,

1527
01:17:34,692 --> 01:17:38,692
Speaker 23: he's a political figure and he went around and did that.

1528
01:17:38,772 --> 01:17:41,093
Speaker 23: He's very well protected and all of that. But what

1529
01:17:41,293 --> 01:17:43,812
Speaker 23: did he do in that era? I'm not criticizing him,

1530
01:17:43,853 --> 01:17:48,412
Speaker 23: don't get me wrong. So you know, does the church

1531
01:17:48,853 --> 01:17:50,132
Speaker 23: need a pope?

1532
01:17:50,572 --> 01:17:50,892
Speaker 18: I mean?

1533
01:17:51,293 --> 01:17:55,692
Speaker 23: And unfortunately the church? Yes, I was brought upper Catholic

1534
01:17:55,732 --> 01:17:58,812
Speaker 23: I told you that. And you know the priest is

1535
01:17:58,853 --> 01:18:02,213
Speaker 23: the number one. I mean, I know some Catholic priests

1536
01:18:02,213 --> 01:18:04,372
Speaker 23: have good relationships with them as friends, which is great.

1537
01:18:04,372 --> 01:18:07,492
Speaker 23: I don't call them father, that's not scriptural. And because

1538
01:18:07,492 --> 01:18:11,853
Speaker 23: we've only got one far souther and heaven and so

1539
01:18:11,853 --> 01:18:14,572
Speaker 23: so if you follow on a mean, you know, it's

1540
01:18:14,572 --> 01:18:17,612
Speaker 23: a very much a political thing and a lot of

1541
01:18:17,692 --> 01:18:23,772
Speaker 23: Catholics they revert these people in these positions and they

1542
01:18:23,812 --> 01:18:25,093
Speaker 23: go ballistic over them.

1543
01:18:25,293 --> 01:18:27,612
Speaker 2: I mean, sorry, Nick, We're going to have to let

1544
01:18:27,612 --> 01:18:29,253
Speaker 2: you go, but I think we got you at your point.

1545
01:18:29,452 --> 01:18:31,892
Speaker 3: When political figurehead the pope, and they're not down on

1546
01:18:31,933 --> 01:18:36,612
Speaker 3: the ground usually converting people to Jesus, but they are

1547
01:18:36,732 --> 01:18:39,492
Speaker 3: responsible for asking their cardinals in church leaders to do

1548
01:18:39,572 --> 01:18:40,093
Speaker 3: that on the ground.

1549
01:18:40,253 --> 01:18:40,412
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1550
01:18:40,452 --> 01:18:42,013
Speaker 2: Sorry, and that cat to cut you off because the

1551
01:18:42,053 --> 01:18:44,532
Speaker 2: news is coming in fast and we can't stop it.

1552
01:18:44,692 --> 01:18:47,213
Speaker 3: No, we cannot as much as we'd like to sometimes.

1553
01:18:47,253 --> 01:18:50,173
Speaker 3: But thank you very much to everyone who phone and

1554
01:18:50,333 --> 01:18:53,772
Speaker 3: text on that discussion. Really enjoyable and we'll be watching

1555
01:18:53,812 --> 01:18:57,012
Speaker 3: over the next couple of days as the conclave looks

1556
01:18:57,013 --> 01:18:59,093
Speaker 3: to elect the new Pope. Thank you.

1557
01:18:59,933 --> 01:19:04,892
Speaker 2: I'll just light the white smoke yep of Raylen Ramsey's

1558
01:19:04,933 --> 01:19:06,652
Speaker 2: News beautifully said.

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01:19:12,253 --> 01:19:16,052
Speaker 1: Your new home for instul and entertaining talk. He It's

1560
01:19:16,173 --> 01:19:20,733
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

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01:19:21,572 --> 01:19:23,932
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

1562
01:19:23,933 --> 01:19:25,812
Speaker 3: Now we we're going to chat about going into the

1563
01:19:25,853 --> 01:19:28,333
Speaker 3: family business or following in the footsteps of your parents

1564
01:19:28,372 --> 01:19:30,652
Speaker 3: when it comes to a career, And we may get

1565
01:19:30,692 --> 01:19:32,772
Speaker 3: to that tomorrow because here's what we want to have

1566
01:19:32,812 --> 01:19:35,933
Speaker 3: a chat about over the next hour. Mark Lundy, he

1567
01:19:36,013 --> 01:19:38,612
Speaker 3: has been released from prison after serving more than twenty

1568
01:19:38,692 --> 01:19:42,293
Speaker 3: three years for murder. He maintains his innocence and plans

1569
01:19:42,333 --> 01:19:45,133
Speaker 3: to continue fighting to clear his name. His release has

1570
01:19:45,133 --> 01:19:49,853
Speaker 3: included strict conditions and a suppression order on his living arrangements.

1571
01:19:50,572 --> 01:19:52,933
Speaker 3: But the question we want to put to you is,

1572
01:19:53,572 --> 01:19:56,572
Speaker 3: so we cannot say where Lundy is going to be

1573
01:19:56,692 --> 01:20:00,652
Speaker 3: living now that he has been released from prison, But

1574
01:20:00,893 --> 01:20:05,333
Speaker 3: does it really matter in terms of protecting his privacy

1575
01:20:06,133 --> 01:20:09,652
Speaker 3: and protecting those out of of where he will be

1576
01:20:09,732 --> 01:20:13,253
Speaker 3: trying to reintegrate into society. How much does that really

1577
01:20:13,293 --> 01:20:14,692
Speaker 3: matter in the case of Mark Lundy?

1578
01:20:14,732 --> 01:20:15,372
Speaker 2: Oh, what do you mean?

1579
01:20:15,853 --> 01:20:18,732
Speaker 3: Well, if that is to protect his own privacy and

1580
01:20:18,772 --> 01:20:21,692
Speaker 3: his own ability to reintegrate into society, I can understand

1581
01:20:21,692 --> 01:20:25,492
Speaker 3: part of that. But would anyone in New Zealand really

1582
01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:28,852
Speaker 3: have too much of an issue with Mark Lundy being

1583
01:20:28,893 --> 01:20:29,613
Speaker 3: in their community.

1584
01:20:30,372 --> 01:20:34,053
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because there's the first photos of Mark

1585
01:20:34,133 --> 01:20:39,133
Speaker 2: Lundy have been taken. There's a suppression of order of

1586
01:20:39,173 --> 01:20:42,372
Speaker 2: where he is. But people are taking photographs of them

1587
01:20:42,612 --> 01:20:45,652
Speaker 2: and post them somewhere. So what are you saying? Should

1588
01:20:45,652 --> 01:20:48,452
Speaker 2: he be left alone? So is it wrong to take

1589
01:20:48,452 --> 01:20:53,133
Speaker 2: photos of him imprint them? Has he done his time

1590
01:20:53,333 --> 01:20:56,933
Speaker 2: and he should just be left let be?

1591
01:20:57,293 --> 01:20:59,093
Speaker 3: Well that's a little bit of a fantasy, isn't it.

1592
01:20:59,293 --> 01:21:03,093
Speaker 3: I mean, he is a very well known person in

1593
01:21:03,133 --> 01:21:05,892
Speaker 3: New Zealand and there will be many people out there

1594
01:21:05,933 --> 01:21:08,772
Speaker 3: in the community if they see Mark LUNDI many people

1595
01:21:08,853 --> 01:21:10,772
Speaker 3: know what he looks like. They will be taking photos

1596
01:21:10,772 --> 01:21:12,652
Speaker 3: and they will be telling their family and friends that

1597
01:21:12,732 --> 01:21:13,372
Speaker 3: I would say.

1598
01:21:13,452 --> 01:21:16,372
Speaker 2: I would say that most people would know in New

1599
01:21:16,452 --> 01:21:19,173
Speaker 2: Zealand what Mark Lundy looks like. He's got that very

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01:21:19,173 --> 01:21:21,932
Speaker 2: distinctive beard that he grew in prison. Actually, I think

1601
01:21:21,933 --> 01:21:24,173
Speaker 2: it's a bit different now than it was for a while.

1602
01:21:24,173 --> 01:21:26,013
Speaker 2: He's had a few looks, as you'd expect. He's been

1603
01:21:26,053 --> 01:21:29,212
Speaker 2: prison for a very very long time. And we all remember,

1604
01:21:29,572 --> 01:21:33,372
Speaker 2: you know, the shot of him at the funeral in

1605
01:21:33,412 --> 01:21:38,333
Speaker 2: two thousand with the blue blockers, and you know it's

1606
01:21:38,333 --> 01:21:40,652
Speaker 2: sort of with his arms around a couple of support people.

1607
01:21:41,133 --> 01:21:42,892
Speaker 2: So people would know who would. But yeah, I mean,

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01:21:42,893 --> 01:21:46,852
Speaker 2: what do you think about this? Should should you? He's famous, right,

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01:21:46,893 --> 01:21:48,852
Speaker 2: and so if you saw him, you'd be like, that's

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01:21:48,893 --> 01:21:52,532
Speaker 2: Mark Lunday, that's Mark Lunday. Should you take a picture

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01:21:52,532 --> 01:21:54,852
Speaker 2: of him? Should you go up and talk to him?

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01:21:55,213 --> 01:21:55,372
Speaker 8: Oh?

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01:21:55,452 --> 01:21:57,492
Speaker 3: Absolutely? What I would do all of the above. What

1614
01:21:57,772 --> 01:21:59,253
Speaker 3: would be the problem with that? Do you think that

1615
01:21:59,293 --> 01:22:01,812
Speaker 3: would be impinging on Mark Lundy's right? Well, look if

1616
01:22:01,853 --> 01:22:03,173
Speaker 3: I went up to and if I saw him on

1617
01:22:03,173 --> 01:22:05,333
Speaker 3: the street and said, hey, it's Mark Lundy, I'm going

1618
01:22:05,372 --> 01:22:08,213
Speaker 3: to go up and say hello, and he told me

1619
01:22:08,372 --> 01:22:11,013
Speaker 3: to bugger off, then I would bugger off whatever he

1620
01:22:11,173 --> 01:22:11,772
Speaker 3: was up for a bit.

1621
01:22:11,652 --> 01:22:12,053
Speaker 2: Of a chat.

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01:22:12,093 --> 01:22:13,293
Speaker 3: Then what is wrong with that?

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01:22:13,452 --> 01:22:17,173
Speaker 2: Well, well he's paroled, right and with a bunch of conditions.

1624
01:22:17,973 --> 01:22:20,292
Speaker 2: But do that makes him just a member of society?

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01:22:20,372 --> 01:22:22,492
Speaker 2: So do you just go up and take pictures of

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01:22:22,652 --> 01:22:27,333
Speaker 2: people that you're interested in? I mean, I don't know.

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01:22:28,253 --> 01:22:30,052
Speaker 2: I was on a plane with a famous person recently

1628
01:22:30,093 --> 01:22:33,852
Speaker 2: and a bunch of people just taking pictures of them. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:22:33,853 --> 01:22:35,532
Speaker 2: I mean it's very different because he's not he's a

1630
01:22:35,572 --> 01:22:38,732
Speaker 2: famous person, but he's not a famous person that makes

1631
01:22:38,812 --> 01:22:40,652
Speaker 2: money from being a famous person. If you know what

1632
01:22:40,692 --> 01:22:43,253
Speaker 2: I mean. So a celebrity has skin in the game

1633
01:22:43,333 --> 01:22:45,932
Speaker 2: because their faces are out there. They're whatever they're doing,

1634
01:22:45,933 --> 01:22:49,133
Speaker 2: they're in movies, they're whatever they're doing. They're making money

1635
01:22:49,133 --> 01:22:52,692
Speaker 2: from their image. So taking a picture of them, they're

1636
01:22:52,732 --> 01:22:54,372
Speaker 2: kind of already in the in the game, if you do,

1637
01:22:54,372 --> 01:22:57,092
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But Mark Lundey is just a dude.

1638
01:22:57,253 --> 01:23:00,092
Speaker 2: And I don't know, like from a news perspective, because

1639
01:23:00,133 --> 01:23:01,692
Speaker 2: just looking at this picture, do we really need to

1640
01:23:01,692 --> 01:23:05,333
Speaker 2: see this picture of Mark Lundy in his car in

1641
01:23:05,412 --> 01:23:09,772
Speaker 2: a car? I don't know, I mean, And I'm looking

1642
01:23:09,812 --> 01:23:12,293
Speaker 2: at in the Herald. Now the Herald spotted a bespecta

1643
01:23:12,333 --> 01:23:15,172
Speaker 2: called Lundy wearing an oversized hoodie, track pants and jendles

1644
01:23:15,173 --> 01:23:17,333
Speaker 2: going for a drive with one of his supporters today.

1645
01:23:17,692 --> 01:23:19,772
Speaker 3: But it's incredibly newsworthy, though, wasn't it. A lot of

1646
01:23:19,772 --> 01:23:21,013
Speaker 3: people would be interested in that.

1647
01:23:21,532 --> 01:23:23,652
Speaker 2: I am interested in it.

1648
01:23:23,772 --> 01:23:25,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's a very fascinating case.

1649
01:23:26,572 --> 01:23:28,692
Speaker 2: I'm hugely interested in the whole case. Yeah, And I

1650
01:23:28,732 --> 01:23:31,172
Speaker 2: am as interested to see the picture and I'm interested

1651
01:23:31,253 --> 01:23:33,932
Speaker 2: to where he is. But should I be, you know?

1652
01:23:34,812 --> 01:23:36,772
Speaker 2: And I also think the whole it's quite interesting his

1653
01:23:36,812 --> 01:23:38,933
Speaker 2: parole terms as well well. I'd love to hear your

1654
01:23:38,933 --> 01:23:40,972
Speaker 2: thoughts on this O way one hundred and eighty ten eighty,

1655
01:23:41,133 --> 01:23:43,372
Speaker 2: whether you think he should just be let be? As

1656
01:23:43,412 --> 01:23:46,092
Speaker 2: this textas says, why would you? Oh, the text machine

1657
01:23:46,133 --> 01:23:47,932
Speaker 2: just blew up a thousand texts came through just when

1658
01:23:47,933 --> 01:23:49,213
Speaker 2: I was trying to read that one out and dropped

1659
01:23:49,213 --> 01:23:51,412
Speaker 2: it to the bottom of the page. But I think

1660
01:23:51,452 --> 01:23:53,412
Speaker 2: it's basically, why the hell would you want to take

1661
01:23:53,452 --> 01:23:55,333
Speaker 2: a picture of Lundy? Yeah, leave him alone.

1662
01:23:55,412 --> 01:23:56,772
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts on this one. I eight

1663
01:23:56,893 --> 01:23:59,972
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

1664
01:24:00,053 --> 01:24:03,452
Speaker 3: is twelve past three. A whole bunch of texts have

1665
01:24:03,572 --> 01:24:06,052
Speaker 3: come through. We'll get to some of those very shortly

1666
01:24:06,173 --> 01:24:06,692
Speaker 3: as well.

1667
01:24:07,213 --> 01:24:10,812
Speaker 2: I've got a question. His release conditions included a ban

1668
01:24:11,013 --> 01:24:14,452
Speaker 2: on using social media, including dating sites, and you know,

1669
01:24:14,492 --> 01:24:16,532
Speaker 2: as I said before on the show, I don't know

1670
01:24:16,532 --> 01:24:18,652
Speaker 2: how many people would swipe right on Lundy to start with,

1671
01:24:18,772 --> 01:24:21,692
Speaker 2: but as also a ban on looking at pornography, and

1672
01:24:21,732 --> 01:24:24,093
Speaker 2: he has to hand as digital device is in with

1673
01:24:24,133 --> 01:24:25,972
Speaker 2: passwords so that people can look at it. Why would

1674
01:24:26,013 --> 01:24:28,852
Speaker 2: a person that's been paroled there's been no sexual nature

1675
01:24:28,893 --> 01:24:30,972
Speaker 2: in anything he's been involved in.

1676
01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:31,692
Speaker 3: It's a great question.

1677
01:24:32,213 --> 01:24:34,932
Speaker 2: Why is pornography part of the parole terms?

1678
01:24:35,053 --> 01:24:36,852
Speaker 3: If you know, loves to hear from you. Nine two

1679
01:24:36,933 --> 01:24:38,732
Speaker 3: nine two is the text number, and one hundred and

1680
01:24:38,732 --> 01:24:42,532
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. It is twelve past three. Very good

1681
01:24:42,532 --> 01:24:44,572
Speaker 3: afternoon to you. It is fourteen past three, and we're

1682
01:24:44,572 --> 01:24:46,852
Speaker 3: talking about the release of Mark Lundy. He has been

1683
01:24:46,973 --> 01:24:49,612
Speaker 3: released from prison after serving more than twenty three years

1684
01:24:49,692 --> 01:24:52,933
Speaker 3: for murder. He has maintained his innocence all along, and

1685
01:24:52,973 --> 01:24:55,333
Speaker 3: he does plan to continue fighting to clear his name.

1686
01:24:55,372 --> 01:24:59,053
Speaker 3: But his release has included strict conditions and a suppression

1687
01:24:59,173 --> 01:25:00,773
Speaker 3: order on his living arrangements.

1688
01:25:00,973 --> 01:25:03,452
Speaker 2: And I said before, it's strange that there's a ban

1689
01:25:03,772 --> 01:25:06,333
Speaker 2: on him looking at any pornograph. He's not allowed on

1690
01:25:06,412 --> 01:25:09,012
Speaker 2: dating sites, and I said, there's no sexual actu or anything.

1691
01:25:09,053 --> 01:25:12,972
Speaker 2: But I guess back then in two thousand, nineteen ninety nine,

1692
01:25:14,013 --> 01:25:18,133
Speaker 2: he was with a prostitute, wasn't he in the motel room,

1693
01:25:18,452 --> 01:25:23,532
Speaker 2: which at that point was illegal? So maybe that's why.

1694
01:25:23,133 --> 01:25:25,372
Speaker 3: Taken into a consideration, or is that just a general

1695
01:25:25,492 --> 01:25:26,333
Speaker 3: term of being paroled?

1696
01:25:26,333 --> 01:25:28,293
Speaker 2: But you, yeah, I'd like to know that are you

1697
01:25:28,452 --> 01:25:31,892
Speaker 2: generally not allowed to look at a pornography on parole.

1698
01:25:32,612 --> 01:25:34,372
Speaker 2: It's an interesting one. I mean, you could argue that,

1699
01:25:35,612 --> 01:25:38,173
Speaker 2: I don't know, complicated pornography. He might calm people down

1700
01:25:38,213 --> 01:25:39,053
Speaker 2: and stop them doing things.

1701
01:25:39,133 --> 01:25:41,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, but genuine question, I mean, does that mean he

1702
01:25:41,093 --> 01:25:43,293
Speaker 3: can't go down and get a magazine? I suppose it does.

1703
01:25:43,333 --> 01:25:45,412
Speaker 3: I mean it's just a strange part of those conditions.

1704
01:25:45,412 --> 01:25:47,812
Speaker 3: But if you have been paroled, I'd love to hear

1705
01:25:47,812 --> 01:25:48,133
Speaker 3: from you.

1706
01:25:48,213 --> 01:25:50,412
Speaker 2: I mean, Lundy rocking into a dairy to trow and

1707
01:25:50,532 --> 01:25:54,293
Speaker 2: buy an adult magazine, it.

1708
01:25:54,253 --> 01:25:55,053
Speaker 3: Would be a good lot.

1709
01:25:55,173 --> 01:25:57,972
Speaker 2: I've questioned the need to take photos of Lundy, and

1710
01:25:58,013 --> 01:26:00,213
Speaker 2: I believe maybe just leave him alone and take don't

1711
01:26:00,253 --> 01:26:01,772
Speaker 2: take a snap. Tyler is very keen to take as

1712
01:26:01,812 --> 01:26:04,253
Speaker 2: many snaps as he can of Lundy. But if I

1713
01:26:04,293 --> 01:26:06,692
Speaker 2: saw Lundy in a dairy buying a.

1714
01:26:09,093 --> 01:26:11,932
Speaker 3: Stick man yep, an adult make yeah, I'll probably take

1715
01:26:12,013 --> 01:26:15,293
Speaker 3: the truth. There you go and you come across eventually.

1716
01:26:15,652 --> 01:26:19,452
Speaker 2: Craig, welcome to the show.

1717
01:26:19,532 --> 01:26:22,972
Speaker 3: Are you're good? And your thoughts on you know, taking

1718
01:26:22,973 --> 01:26:26,093
Speaker 3: photos of Mark Lundy the RISSI orders about about where

1719
01:26:26,093 --> 01:26:26,532
Speaker 3: he may be.

1720
01:26:28,333 --> 01:26:32,372
Speaker 4: Yeah, look give him his face now, he's done his crime,

1721
01:26:32,973 --> 01:26:38,372
Speaker 4: done his time. I believe personally that that's innocent. He

1722
01:26:38,492 --> 01:26:42,173
Speaker 4: brought up an interesting point earlier on the image of

1723
01:26:42,213 --> 01:26:44,412
Speaker 4: a lot of New Zealanders have of Mark Lundy is

1724
01:26:44,853 --> 01:26:49,053
Speaker 4: standing there distraught being held up. My supporters and a

1725
01:26:49,093 --> 01:26:52,093
Speaker 4: lot of Kiwi's thought that perhaps he was putting it on.

1726
01:26:53,053 --> 01:26:55,652
Speaker 4: But what they don't realize is what he was actually

1727
01:26:55,652 --> 01:26:59,213
Speaker 4: watching was thehears leaving with his wife and children in it.

1728
01:27:00,853 --> 01:27:03,652
Speaker 4: Thinking that counter fore he is innocent. His actions were

1729
01:27:03,772 --> 01:27:07,012
Speaker 4: justified one hundred percent. That to me, that wasn't fake,

1730
01:27:07,053 --> 01:27:09,452
Speaker 4: that that was her, That was you and hurt. You

1731
01:27:09,492 --> 01:27:12,533
Speaker 4: could just see it in the man you just reading alone.

1732
01:27:13,093 --> 01:27:16,333
Speaker 4: And what the Lundy Hundi. What were the findings on that?

1733
01:27:17,452 --> 01:27:20,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's lots of things like fibers in

1734
01:27:21,572 --> 01:27:24,892
Speaker 2: bloodstain with the police say that the offenders entered Lundy's

1735
01:27:24,893 --> 01:27:27,972
Speaker 2: house with were sent to the Institute of Environmental Science

1736
01:27:28,013 --> 01:27:31,133
Speaker 2: and Research but never tested. There were I mean, I

1737
01:27:31,173 --> 01:27:34,772
Speaker 2: don't want to relitigate this, but there were there were

1738
01:27:35,732 --> 01:27:39,492
Speaker 2: fibers here, fibers found that were never tested at the

1739
01:27:39,492 --> 01:27:41,972
Speaker 2: time twenty one years found and twined and Christine Lundy's

1740
01:27:42,013 --> 01:27:44,572
Speaker 2: fingers when her body was discovered were also never tested.

1741
01:27:44,612 --> 01:27:46,852
Speaker 2: There is there's there's a lot of questions. There's a

1742
01:27:46,853 --> 01:27:50,492
Speaker 2: lot of questions around this case. And I know Mike Smith,

1743
01:27:50,772 --> 01:27:53,372
Speaker 2: Mike White has written written a lot about it, and

1744
01:27:53,452 --> 01:27:56,572
Speaker 2: can you imagine how horrific that is? So, this horrible

1745
01:27:56,572 --> 01:27:59,852
Speaker 2: thing's happened, and people made a huge judgment on him

1746
01:27:59,853 --> 01:28:03,572
Speaker 2: because he was with the prostitute and in a motel

1747
01:28:03,732 --> 01:28:06,772
Speaker 2: a long way from his family. But can you imagine

1748
01:28:06,772 --> 01:28:13,572
Speaker 2: that situation if it is I don't know who knows.

1749
01:28:10,772 --> 01:28:12,612
Speaker 4: But things have happened.

1750
01:28:12,652 --> 01:28:16,053
Speaker 2: But if he is innocent, imagine that. So not only

1751
01:28:16,053 --> 01:28:17,932
Speaker 2: you spend all that time in prison, but even now

1752
01:28:17,973 --> 01:28:21,333
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to to to visit the graves of

1753
01:28:21,692 --> 01:28:24,612
Speaker 2: of you know, your your wife and your child loved ones.

1754
01:28:24,973 --> 01:28:28,732
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, That's that's horrible. It's another sentence on its own.

1755
01:28:29,213 --> 01:28:31,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and so people and then you've got

1756
01:28:31,933 --> 01:28:34,173
Speaker 2: people snapping up and running up and taking pictures of

1757
01:28:34,173 --> 01:28:37,412
Speaker 2: you because you're a novelty interesting. Yeah, I know. But

1758
01:28:37,452 --> 01:28:40,892
Speaker 2: then then again, he has been found guilty in our

1759
01:28:41,372 --> 01:28:43,812
Speaker 2: in our courts, and we've got to have some trust

1760
01:28:43,812 --> 01:28:44,412
Speaker 2: in our courts.

1761
01:28:45,412 --> 01:28:46,972
Speaker 4: I'd love to go up and if I saw him,

1762
01:28:46,973 --> 01:28:48,372
Speaker 4: you know, like part of me would love to go

1763
01:28:48,532 --> 01:28:50,692
Speaker 4: shake your hand say make you innocent. I believe you're

1764
01:28:50,692 --> 01:28:52,772
Speaker 4: innocent and having carry on with my life, led on

1765
01:28:52,853 --> 01:28:55,173
Speaker 4: with his life. But at the same time space man

1766
01:28:55,293 --> 01:28:56,213
Speaker 4: who needs us space?

1767
01:28:56,293 --> 01:28:58,572
Speaker 2: So yeah, all.

1768
01:28:58,532 --> 01:29:02,412
Speaker 3: Right, interesting point, Thank you very much. One hundred and

1769
01:29:02,412 --> 01:29:04,412
Speaker 3: eighty teen eighty is the number to call. Plenty of

1770
01:29:04,572 --> 01:29:07,612
Speaker 3: texts coming through. I mean that is part of our

1771
01:29:07,692 --> 01:29:11,012
Speaker 3: justice system that there are many people who are convicted

1772
01:29:11,293 --> 01:29:14,133
Speaker 3: of some Heenis crimes. They do their time, they are

1773
01:29:14,173 --> 01:29:17,933
Speaker 3: released down into the community. And unfortunately for someone like

1774
01:29:18,013 --> 01:29:21,652
Speaker 3: Mark Lundy, this case is incredibly famous. A lot of

1775
01:29:21,652 --> 01:29:24,973
Speaker 3: people know of this case. It has some scandalous details.

1776
01:29:25,492 --> 01:29:28,412
Speaker 3: So whether that entitles him to privacy now he has

1777
01:29:28,772 --> 01:29:31,732
Speaker 3: reintegrated into society, love to hear your thoughts. Eight hundred

1778
01:29:31,812 --> 01:29:34,333
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Is it time to leave him alone?

1779
01:29:34,732 --> 01:29:37,213
Speaker 3: Or do we as a country have a right to

1780
01:29:37,293 --> 01:29:38,812
Speaker 3: know where he may be living and would you have

1781
01:29:38,853 --> 01:29:41,253
Speaker 3: a problem if he was living in your neighborhoods Oh,

1782
01:29:41,253 --> 01:29:43,452
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1783
01:29:43,492 --> 01:29:45,052
Speaker 3: It is nineteen past three.

1784
01:29:49,173 --> 01:29:52,852
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1785
01:29:52,893 --> 01:29:54,093
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news talk.

1786
01:29:54,213 --> 01:29:56,333
Speaker 3: Z'd be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about

1787
01:29:56,333 --> 01:29:58,772
Speaker 3: Mark Lundy's release from prison. He has served as time

1788
01:29:58,812 --> 01:30:02,013
Speaker 3: and he has been released today and he is reintegrating

1789
01:30:02,093 --> 01:30:05,172
Speaker 3: into society. But there are some of course, release conditions

1790
01:30:05,173 --> 01:30:07,612
Speaker 3: attached to it, and a suppression order about where he

1791
01:30:07,692 --> 01:30:10,652
Speaker 3: will be living. But keen to hear your views about

1792
01:30:10,652 --> 01:30:12,492
Speaker 3: whether he should be left alone in the community and

1793
01:30:12,532 --> 01:30:14,293
Speaker 3: would you have a problem if he was on your

1794
01:30:14,333 --> 01:30:16,772
Speaker 3: street or in your community or your next door neighbor.

1795
01:30:16,853 --> 01:30:19,173
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number

1796
01:30:19,173 --> 01:30:19,893
Speaker 3: to call.

1797
01:30:20,213 --> 01:30:22,253
Speaker 2: The sex says, every time you go on about him,

1798
01:30:22,293 --> 01:30:24,652
Speaker 2: you're maintaining his innocence. You act like that means something.

1799
01:30:24,692 --> 01:30:27,333
Speaker 2: He's been found guilty twice. There is no questions at all.

1800
01:30:27,572 --> 01:30:30,052
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm saying, I don't know the answer

1801
01:30:30,093 --> 01:30:31,612
Speaker 2: to the question whether he's in a sort or not.

1802
01:30:31,732 --> 01:30:34,412
Speaker 2: He's definitely guilty in the eyes of the law. He's

1803
01:30:34,412 --> 01:30:38,852
Speaker 2: definitely been found guilty. But that's not necessarily the truth,

1804
01:30:38,893 --> 01:30:41,612
Speaker 2: and there are undoubtedly questions about it, but that's not

1805
01:30:41,652 --> 01:30:43,972
Speaker 2: really what we're talking about. No, we're talking about should

1806
01:30:44,093 --> 01:30:47,813
Speaker 2: should he be let be or should he should photographs

1807
01:30:47,853 --> 01:30:48,772
Speaker 2: be taken of him where he.

1808
01:30:48,772 --> 01:30:50,892
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, he has served his time, and under our

1809
01:30:51,053 --> 01:30:53,772
Speaker 3: justice system, you are convicted for a period of time,

1810
01:30:53,973 --> 01:30:56,253
Speaker 3: even for the most heinous of crimes, and after that

1811
01:30:56,293 --> 01:30:58,572
Speaker 3: period of time there is no other option but to

1812
01:30:58,732 --> 01:31:01,612
Speaker 3: be released. And that is a situation here, and he

1813
01:31:01,692 --> 01:31:04,253
Speaker 3: now has to try and reintegrate into society as best

1814
01:31:04,293 --> 01:31:07,012
Speaker 3: he can. The question we've got is does it help

1815
01:31:07,133 --> 01:31:09,293
Speaker 3: or hinder if he has read recognized in the street

1816
01:31:09,293 --> 01:31:11,333
Speaker 3: of people take photos of them. Would you have a

1817
01:31:11,372 --> 01:31:14,452
Speaker 3: problem if he lived in your particular neighborhood.

1818
01:31:14,452 --> 01:31:16,732
Speaker 2: So this Texas says, regardless of whether he is guilty,

1819
01:31:16,812 --> 01:31:19,412
Speaker 2: he has served the sentence required of him. He should

1820
01:31:19,412 --> 01:31:21,092
Speaker 2: therefore be allowed to get on with his life.

1821
01:31:21,412 --> 01:31:25,253
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Now we'll go to the phones here, We've

1822
01:31:25,293 --> 01:31:26,133
Speaker 3: got Jill.

1823
01:31:26,293 --> 01:31:29,093
Speaker 4: Hello, Jill, good afternoon.

1824
01:31:29,452 --> 01:31:32,372
Speaker 3: How are you very good? And what's your view on this?

1825
01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:37,333
Speaker 12: I think that Mark should be left alone. I would

1826
01:31:37,412 --> 01:31:44,172
Speaker 12: welcome them to my community. Of course, I've never believed

1827
01:31:44,173 --> 01:31:48,573
Speaker 12: he was guilty, but that's not for me to say. However,

1828
01:31:49,612 --> 01:31:54,652
Speaker 12: he has twenty three years in prison. I can't imagine

1829
01:31:54,893 --> 01:32:02,652
Speaker 12: what that would have been like if you're innocent. And

1830
01:32:02,692 --> 01:32:06,452
Speaker 12: a look at what happened to Arthur around Thomas. So

1831
01:32:07,173 --> 01:32:13,173
Speaker 12: there have been missed courages, oh, miss carriages of justice.

1832
01:32:13,853 --> 01:32:19,333
Speaker 12: So I just wish him are the best and hope

1833
01:32:19,412 --> 01:32:24,493
Speaker 12: that New Zealand will embrace him back into where every lives.

1834
01:32:24,853 --> 01:32:26,852
Speaker 2: Now, Jill, you happen to think that he is an

1835
01:32:26,853 --> 01:32:31,092
Speaker 2: assenting You've followed the case obviously for quite some time,

1836
01:32:31,452 --> 01:32:33,932
Speaker 2: and you would and you say that you would welcome

1837
01:32:33,973 --> 01:32:37,412
Speaker 2: him into your neighborhood. But if you happen to think

1838
01:32:37,492 --> 01:32:40,852
Speaker 2: that he was guilty, would you still welcome him into

1839
01:32:40,853 --> 01:32:41,773
Speaker 2: your neighborhood.

1840
01:32:45,013 --> 01:32:51,652
Speaker 12: Yes, everyone deserves a second chance. If I thought he

1841
01:32:51,893 --> 01:32:54,892
Speaker 12: was well, you see, I don't think he was guilty.

1842
01:32:56,173 --> 01:32:59,052
Speaker 12: So that's a very hard question really to answer.

1843
01:33:00,253 --> 01:33:05,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, if something that wasn't true was true,

1844
01:33:05,053 --> 01:33:06,852
Speaker 2: how would you feel as as kind of a difficult

1845
01:33:06,893 --> 01:33:11,293
Speaker 2: question to answer, isn't it? As an Jill? But thank

1846
01:33:11,333 --> 01:33:13,093
Speaker 2: you so much for your call. I appreciate that, Jill.

1847
01:33:13,253 --> 01:33:15,692
Speaker 3: Yeap plenty of texts coming through on this guys. I

1848
01:33:15,732 --> 01:33:18,372
Speaker 3: would not be happy to have him in my neighborhood.

1849
01:33:19,093 --> 01:33:22,133
Speaker 3: Wish he hadn't been paroled. I feel there is a

1850
01:33:22,133 --> 01:33:24,293
Speaker 3: difference between the fact he has been found guilty of

1851
01:33:24,293 --> 01:33:26,852
Speaker 3: two murders and has not been cleared by a legal

1852
01:33:26,893 --> 01:33:30,892
Speaker 3: misjustice he has committed murder until he is found to

1853
01:33:31,133 --> 01:33:31,612
Speaker 3: have not.

1854
01:33:33,372 --> 01:33:36,412
Speaker 2: Gen says, just tuned into the run radio Lundy is

1855
01:33:36,452 --> 01:33:38,852
Speaker 2: no longer national news. Leave the guy in peace. Shame

1856
01:33:38,893 --> 01:33:41,892
Speaker 2: on you, regards, Jen. You have just tuned in because

1857
01:33:41,893 --> 01:33:43,492
Speaker 2: we're saying that he is in the national news and

1858
01:33:43,532 --> 01:33:46,092
Speaker 2: there is a photograph of him that has been published.

1859
01:33:46,492 --> 01:33:49,572
Speaker 2: So quite wrong there, Jen, He is in the national news.

1860
01:33:49,652 --> 01:33:53,412
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of people texting

1861
01:33:53,452 --> 01:33:55,652
Speaker 3: through saying that he should still be in prison. But

1862
01:33:55,772 --> 01:33:59,173
Speaker 3: unfortunately with our justice system, well maybe not unfortunately, but

1863
01:33:59,253 --> 01:34:02,732
Speaker 3: it is just the way it operates that if you

1864
01:34:02,812 --> 01:34:05,412
Speaker 3: are convicted for a certain period of time and you

1865
01:34:05,452 --> 01:34:07,253
Speaker 3: serve your time, you are a release back out into

1866
01:34:07,293 --> 01:34:08,852
Speaker 3: the community. That is how it works.

1867
01:34:09,053 --> 01:34:12,053
Speaker 2: Yeah. This person said, I'm really disgusted and disappointed in

1868
01:34:12,093 --> 01:34:14,572
Speaker 2: you guys that you think he's done his time. And

1869
01:34:14,933 --> 01:34:17,973
Speaker 2: it's not a that's not a matter of whether we

1870
01:34:18,053 --> 01:34:20,772
Speaker 2: think it or not. He has done his time and

1871
01:34:20,853 --> 01:34:23,213
Speaker 2: has been paroled, so he's still got his parole time.

1872
01:34:23,253 --> 01:34:24,692
Speaker 2: So it's not a matter of whether we think that's

1873
01:34:24,732 --> 01:34:28,852
Speaker 2: the case or not. It is the case. Yeah, And

1874
01:34:28,933 --> 01:34:30,532
Speaker 2: you know, he could have been probably would have been

1875
01:34:30,532 --> 01:34:33,253
Speaker 2: out earlier, almost definitely would have been out earlier if

1876
01:34:33,253 --> 01:34:37,772
Speaker 2: he had said he was guilty. But he's always maintained

1877
01:34:37,772 --> 01:34:40,892
Speaker 2: his innocence, which creates an interesting catch twenty two. That's

1878
01:34:40,933 --> 01:34:44,212
Speaker 2: sort of well known, isn't it that if you maintain

1879
01:34:44,372 --> 01:34:47,812
Speaker 2: your innocence, then you were seen to in some way

1880
01:34:47,933 --> 01:34:51,253
Speaker 2: not have rehabilitated yourself, which is a catch twenty two

1881
01:34:51,333 --> 01:34:53,612
Speaker 2: if you actually are innocent. And I'm not saying lundy is,

1882
01:34:53,692 --> 01:34:59,132
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have, you know, no particular insights

1883
01:34:59,133 --> 01:35:01,612
Speaker 2: into that. I mean, I've read problems with the case

1884
01:35:02,293 --> 01:35:04,372
Speaker 2: that have I initially, like I think most of New

1885
01:35:04,452 --> 01:35:07,812
Speaker 2: Zealand initially just went that guy did it. And the

1886
01:35:07,893 --> 01:35:10,612
Speaker 2: idea in my head that I would ever question it

1887
01:35:10,812 --> 01:35:13,852
Speaker 2: would have been outrageous to me all those years ago.

1888
01:35:14,293 --> 01:35:17,412
Speaker 2: But then you know, reading a lot of what Mike

1889
01:35:17,532 --> 01:35:20,812
Speaker 2: Mike White has written, and you know there are questions.

1890
01:35:20,853 --> 01:35:23,213
Speaker 3: Yep, he's a very good investigative reporter, Mike White. I mean,

1891
01:35:23,253 --> 01:35:25,852
Speaker 3: it is similar to the Scott Watson case. And again

1892
01:35:26,013 --> 01:35:29,372
Speaker 3: no opinion on whether he is guilty or innocent, but

1893
01:35:29,452 --> 01:35:31,492
Speaker 3: he will serve his time and he will be paroled.

1894
01:35:31,492 --> 01:35:33,812
Speaker 3: At the end of that time, and again another case

1895
01:35:33,933 --> 01:35:37,772
Speaker 3: that is infamous. But by the very nature that he

1896
01:35:37,772 --> 01:35:39,852
Speaker 3: has always claimed he has been innocent, he has not

1897
01:35:40,412 --> 01:35:42,452
Speaker 3: been paroled. He has had to serve out his time,

1898
01:35:42,772 --> 01:35:44,732
Speaker 3: and that is the way the justice system works.

1899
01:35:44,933 --> 01:35:47,052
Speaker 2: This six, says guys as part of his parole conditions,

1900
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:50,012
Speaker 2: might suggest it's illegal to take unsolicited photos of him

1901
01:35:50,053 --> 01:35:52,572
Speaker 2: given the non disclosure of his whereabouts. I mean, in

1902
01:35:52,652 --> 01:35:55,532
Speaker 2: this picture that is in the Herald, you can't see

1903
01:35:55,973 --> 01:35:57,972
Speaker 2: where he is. You can just see him in the car.

1904
01:35:58,213 --> 01:36:02,452
Speaker 2: But it would definitely be illegal to take a photo

1905
01:36:02,492 --> 01:36:07,652
Speaker 2: of him with the sign with a street sign and

1906
01:36:07,692 --> 01:36:11,013
Speaker 2: shot or a welcome to wherever it is. I just

1907
01:36:11,013 --> 01:36:13,572
Speaker 2: think there's something kind of weird about taking pictures of them.

1908
01:36:14,093 --> 01:36:17,412
Speaker 2: You know, that's just something. But it is newsworthy and

1909
01:36:17,452 --> 01:36:19,692
Speaker 2: I'm interested in it, and so it is news, if

1910
01:36:19,732 --> 01:36:21,133
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So at the same time,

1911
01:36:21,173 --> 01:36:22,732
Speaker 2: I think it's odd to take a picture of him,

1912
01:36:23,053 --> 01:36:25,092
Speaker 2: it is it is newsworthy in a way.

1913
01:36:24,973 --> 01:36:26,812
Speaker 3: And they're going to end up on social media, right

1914
01:36:27,213 --> 01:36:29,572
Speaker 3: Eventually someone's going to take a picture of him and

1915
01:36:29,612 --> 01:36:34,013
Speaker 3: expose where he is living. Chris, you reckon leave him

1916
01:36:34,013 --> 01:36:34,612
Speaker 3: alone as well.

1917
01:36:35,492 --> 01:36:37,492
Speaker 17: Well, I mean, look, you know I live in times

1918
01:36:38,173 --> 01:36:41,892
Speaker 17: and look, Mark Lundy is not as worth as some

1919
01:36:41,933 --> 01:36:43,852
Speaker 17: of them that are walking around here. We have sexual

1920
01:36:43,893 --> 01:36:47,933
Speaker 17: offenders walking around the streets and people on bail or

1921
01:36:48,572 --> 01:36:52,932
Speaker 17: parole or you know whatever serious crime done. Look, Mark

1922
01:36:53,013 --> 01:36:56,052
Speaker 17: Lundy's least the problem worry that we have to worry about,

1923
01:36:56,253 --> 01:37:02,693
Speaker 17: and he's welcome like anybody else to be in the neighborhoods.

1924
01:37:03,093 --> 01:37:05,692
Speaker 17: We can't prove he did it or didn't. I think

1925
01:37:05,732 --> 01:37:09,133
Speaker 17: people have speculating that he did, but they weren't there

1926
01:37:09,173 --> 01:37:12,093
Speaker 17: when that happened. That he's the only one that knows

1927
01:37:12,492 --> 01:37:18,173
Speaker 17: what happened. And yeah, I think it's illegal to take

1928
01:37:18,173 --> 01:37:23,333
Speaker 17: photos of somebody under the current law without permission. Apparently

1929
01:37:23,372 --> 01:37:27,692
Speaker 17: it's a Privacy Act breach unless you say you're going

1930
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Speaker 17: to take a photo of that person in there, all.

1931
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Speaker 22: Right with it?

1932
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Speaker 17: I thought that was the law. But Mark Lundy, I

1933
01:37:34,372 --> 01:37:37,612
Speaker 17: don't see anything high risk of him. He hasn't done

1934
01:37:37,612 --> 01:37:38,452
Speaker 17: sexual offending.

1935
01:37:39,053 --> 01:37:39,492
Speaker 18: He has't.

1936
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Speaker 17: He's not a risk to children. Maybe how well I'm

1937
01:37:45,412 --> 01:37:50,372
Speaker 17: saying that in an opinion because you know, well we

1938
01:37:50,492 --> 01:37:52,852
Speaker 17: can't prove that he did it. And even though he

1939
01:37:52,893 --> 01:37:55,492
Speaker 17: did face the time and he's done it. I think

1940
01:37:55,532 --> 01:37:58,772
Speaker 17: people should just kind of like, you know, think about

1941
01:37:59,372 --> 01:38:01,972
Speaker 17: the rest of the criminals or people who are out

1942
01:38:02,013 --> 01:38:05,612
Speaker 17: there on the street that maybe he's not as high

1943
01:38:05,692 --> 01:38:07,772
Speaker 17: priority as the ones that are out there who are

1944
01:38:07,812 --> 01:38:12,452
Speaker 17: wondering around the more serious problems in their background on

1945
01:38:12,812 --> 01:38:14,133
Speaker 17: what they are do you.

1946
01:38:14,133 --> 01:38:15,213
Speaker 3: Know yea, yeah, so.

1947
01:38:16,652 --> 01:38:17,652
Speaker 17: That's what I was asking.

1948
01:38:17,893 --> 01:38:20,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on you, Chris. I appreciate that your call.

1949
01:38:21,452 --> 01:38:24,812
Speaker 2: It is generally unlawful. This is from the police dot

1950
01:38:24,933 --> 01:38:27,772
Speaker 2: gut dot NZ. It is generally unlawful to take photos

1951
01:38:27,772 --> 01:38:30,612
Speaker 2: of people in public places. Sorry, It is generally lawful

1952
01:38:30,612 --> 01:38:33,652
Speaker 2: to take photographs of people in public places without their consent. However,

1953
01:38:33,692 --> 01:38:35,972
Speaker 2: you must not film or take photos of people if

1954
01:38:36,013 --> 01:38:38,492
Speaker 2: they are in a place where they can expect privacy,

1955
01:38:38,572 --> 01:38:43,253
Speaker 2: such as a public changing area or a toilet. Yeah,

1956
01:38:43,372 --> 01:38:45,173
Speaker 2: so you can. I mean you're allowed to take You're

1957
01:38:45,213 --> 01:38:47,333
Speaker 2: abut to go up and snap people on the street. Yeah,

1958
01:38:47,372 --> 01:38:49,813
Speaker 2: I mean it's a weird thing to do.

1959
01:38:49,173 --> 01:38:51,612
Speaker 3: But to h eight hundred and eighteen eighty is the

1960
01:38:51,692 --> 01:38:54,412
Speaker 3: number to call headlines with Ray Lean coming up.

1961
01:38:56,812 --> 01:39:00,692
Speaker 13: You talks the headlines with Blue Bubble Taxis. It's no

1962
01:39:00,812 --> 01:39:04,212
Speaker 13: trouble with the blue bubble. The Prime Minister says government

1963
01:39:04,333 --> 01:39:07,932
Speaker 13: changes to pay equity laws passed under urgency this week

1964
01:39:08,333 --> 01:39:12,652
Speaker 13: boocus the law on eliminating sex based discrimination. It holds

1965
01:39:12,692 --> 01:39:17,293
Speaker 13: major unresolved claims and has raised the threshold figures in

1966
01:39:17,333 --> 01:39:20,452
Speaker 13: a new Taxpayers Union Caurier poll would let the center

1967
01:39:20,572 --> 01:39:24,452
Speaker 13: right coalition stay in government despite a jump in Labour's support.

1968
01:39:24,853 --> 01:39:27,772
Speaker 13: It gives the right block sixty three seats, the left

1969
01:39:27,973 --> 01:39:33,052
Speaker 13: fifty eight. Weight Watchers has filed for bankruptcy after sixty

1970
01:39:33,093 --> 01:39:36,372
Speaker 13: two years in business, settling more than one billion US

1971
01:39:36,412 --> 01:39:40,692
Speaker 13: dollars debt. Labour is looking for cross party support for

1972
01:39:40,772 --> 01:39:44,252
Speaker 13: a member's bill banning tobacco. Inside is working on government

1973
01:39:44,333 --> 01:39:49,573
Speaker 13: policy and forcing disclosure of lobbying to fast track consenting.

1974
01:39:49,652 --> 01:39:54,013
Speaker 13: Infrastructure and development expert panels have formed. The first is

1975
01:39:54,053 --> 01:39:57,732
Speaker 13: considering a Nelson retirement village. The second decessing a major

1976
01:39:57,772 --> 01:40:02,412
Speaker 13: subdivision in North Auckland's audio, including a state highway interchange.

1977
01:40:03,372 --> 01:40:06,893
Speaker 13: This Kiwi town has one supermarket. A new study examines

1978
01:40:07,013 --> 01:40:09,333
Speaker 13: if its price is a fea. You can see the

1979
01:40:09,333 --> 01:40:13,532
Speaker 13: story at NZ Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

1980
01:40:13,093 --> 01:40:15,053
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we have asked the

1981
01:40:15,133 --> 01:40:17,852
Speaker 3: question is it time to leave Mark Lundy alone? He

1982
01:40:17,893 --> 01:40:20,372
Speaker 3: has been released from prison after serving more than twenty

1983
01:40:20,412 --> 01:40:23,973
Speaker 3: three years for murder. He has maintained his innocence and

1984
01:40:24,013 --> 01:40:26,093
Speaker 3: he plans to continue fighting to clear his name. But

1985
01:40:26,173 --> 01:40:30,532
Speaker 3: as release conditions include strict are strict conditions rather and

1986
01:40:30,572 --> 01:40:33,852
Speaker 3: a suppression order on his living arrangements. But there has

1987
01:40:33,933 --> 01:40:37,492
Speaker 3: been a photo snapped of him already in a car

1988
01:40:37,692 --> 01:40:40,412
Speaker 3: as he has been released from prison. But so we've

1989
01:40:40,412 --> 01:40:42,933
Speaker 3: asked the question, does he deserve the right to be

1990
01:40:43,013 --> 01:40:45,093
Speaker 3: left alone in the community? Oh, one hundred and eighty

1991
01:40:45,093 --> 01:40:45,732
Speaker 3: ten eighty.

1992
01:40:45,692 --> 01:40:48,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and interesting, you can take a photo of him. Yeah,

1993
01:40:48,253 --> 01:40:50,372
Speaker 2: you can take a photo of anyone out in public.

1994
01:40:50,452 --> 01:40:53,012
Speaker 2: You can if you want. But should you is the question?

1995
01:40:53,412 --> 01:40:54,412
Speaker 2: You can? But should you?

1996
01:40:54,532 --> 01:40:56,333
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yep, need to get your thoughts.

1997
01:40:57,492 --> 01:41:00,452
Speaker 2: Absolutely impossible to enforce the law where you couldn't take

1998
01:41:00,572 --> 01:41:02,732
Speaker 2: photos of people in public because you could be taking

1999
01:41:02,772 --> 01:41:04,772
Speaker 2: a photo when someone just happens to be in the

2000
01:41:04,772 --> 01:41:08,012
Speaker 2: back of the shot for example. And look, I've taken

2001
01:41:08,013 --> 01:41:10,132
Speaker 2: pictures of people before by pretending to take a selfie,

2002
01:41:10,173 --> 01:41:11,612
Speaker 2: but I'm actually taking a picture of them because I

2003
01:41:11,612 --> 01:41:13,772
Speaker 2: think they've got an interesting hair doal or something.

2004
01:41:13,933 --> 01:41:16,692
Speaker 3: So it's a complimentary photo. You've seen something that is

2005
01:41:16,772 --> 01:41:18,492
Speaker 3: kind of a I like the look of that person

2006
01:41:18,532 --> 01:41:19,372
Speaker 3: and just a week.

2007
01:41:19,532 --> 01:41:21,412
Speaker 2: Normally I think they look ridiculous, and I send a

2008
01:41:21,452 --> 01:41:24,612
Speaker 2: picture to a friend. But I'm not a good person, so.

2009
01:41:27,053 --> 01:41:30,293
Speaker 3: And and sorry, what's your thoughts on this?

2010
01:41:31,492 --> 01:41:35,892
Speaker 21: Ah? Hi, guys, I like becoming with a different point

2011
01:41:35,893 --> 01:41:40,093
Speaker 21: of view here. I am a auntie of a young

2012
01:41:40,133 --> 01:41:45,972
Speaker 21: man who was killed and a hate horrible crime. Yeah,

2013
01:41:46,053 --> 01:41:49,892
Speaker 21: and you know, it's really hard on the family thinking

2014
01:41:50,253 --> 01:41:53,053
Speaker 21: this person will ever come out of jail because he

2015
01:41:53,093 --> 01:41:56,973
Speaker 21: could have a life which my nephew will never ever get. So,

2016
01:41:57,893 --> 01:42:01,253
Speaker 21: you know, it's really difficult to think this guy still

2017
01:42:01,253 --> 01:42:06,492
Speaker 21: pleads with absolute innocence. Everything was on CCTV and there

2018
01:42:06,532 --> 01:42:11,173
Speaker 21: was no doubt whatsoever happened. So I find it really

2019
01:42:11,213 --> 01:42:14,773
Speaker 21: hard when what we had to go through in court

2020
01:42:14,853 --> 01:42:18,212
Speaker 21: to prove the intent and prove that he was guilty.

2021
01:42:18,812 --> 01:42:21,452
Speaker 21: I do find it incredibly hard when people say that

2022
01:42:21,492 --> 01:42:27,372
Speaker 21: they're innocent, because the process is just intolerable. It's you know,

2023
01:42:27,893 --> 01:42:30,132
Speaker 21: the guy that was guilty didn't have to prove anything.

2024
01:42:30,133 --> 01:42:32,293
Speaker 21: He didn't have to prove innocence, but we had to

2025
01:42:32,333 --> 01:42:37,173
Speaker 21: prove all of the reasons, the intent, etc. But if

2026
01:42:37,213 --> 01:42:39,572
Speaker 21: this guy Mark he's been let out, you know, I

2027
01:42:39,612 --> 01:42:43,053
Speaker 21: feel for the family. I'm sorry. I don't feel anything

2028
01:42:43,133 --> 01:42:49,173
Speaker 21: towards him not having photos taken of him. He potentially,

2029
01:42:49,253 --> 01:42:53,173
Speaker 21: I guess, took two lives. But I feel for the

2030
01:42:53,253 --> 01:42:56,412
Speaker 21: family knowing that he's out. It must hurt them a

2031
01:42:56,412 --> 01:42:59,412
Speaker 21: lot because that poor little girl never had a chance

2032
01:42:59,452 --> 01:43:03,293
Speaker 21: at life. My nephew would never get married and have children,

2033
01:43:03,772 --> 01:43:05,852
Speaker 21: but his killer could come out and have a life

2034
01:43:05,853 --> 01:43:06,653
Speaker 21: for another.

2035
01:43:06,412 --> 01:43:11,412
Speaker 2: Forty fifty years now, and Gie the situation you're as terrible.

2036
01:43:11,412 --> 01:43:13,732
Speaker 2: And it sounds like you know, with the CCTV footage,

2037
01:43:13,933 --> 01:43:15,892
Speaker 2: and I don't know any details of the case, but

2038
01:43:15,933 --> 01:43:18,572
Speaker 2: it sounds like that is you know, you guys are

2039
01:43:18,612 --> 01:43:21,973
Speaker 2: absolutely sure, But would you agree that it is possible

2040
01:43:22,093 --> 01:43:25,852
Speaker 2: for someone to be wrongly convicted and sent to prison?

2041
01:43:27,732 --> 01:43:30,012
Speaker 21: Like I say, I do find it hard just because

2042
01:43:30,053 --> 01:43:31,572
Speaker 21: what we went through in court.

2043
01:43:31,692 --> 01:43:33,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that, and.

2044
01:43:32,893 --> 01:43:36,652
Speaker 21: What we had to prove that you could actually be

2045
01:43:36,853 --> 01:43:40,772
Speaker 21: arrested and all that investigation happen, and the years and

2046
01:43:40,812 --> 01:43:44,252
Speaker 21: the time it takes for them not to be guilty,

2047
01:43:44,452 --> 01:43:47,452
Speaker 21: But I'm sure, of course it must happen, but I

2048
01:43:47,572 --> 01:43:51,532
Speaker 21: just know to experience what we went through. Man, Yeah,

2049
01:43:51,612 --> 01:43:53,692
Speaker 21: you don't get chosen to you know, you don't get

2050
01:43:53,732 --> 01:43:57,052
Speaker 21: accused of something unless there's a reason.

2051
01:43:58,133 --> 01:44:02,253
Speaker 2: Well, that sometimes happens, and I'm absolutely not saying that

2052
01:44:02,412 --> 01:44:04,452
Speaker 2: it is the case in your case, because it sounds

2053
01:44:04,492 --> 01:44:06,652
Speaker 2: definitely not the case in your case. But there are

2054
01:44:06,692 --> 01:44:10,732
Speaker 2: times when people get accused unfairly, and there definitely has

2055
01:44:10,732 --> 01:44:14,012
Speaker 2: been cases where people have gone away, and the legal

2056
01:44:14,053 --> 01:44:17,772
Speaker 2: system is definitely weighted in the idea that it's better

2057
01:44:17,812 --> 01:44:22,092
Speaker 2: to let and let someone guilty go than put someone

2058
01:44:22,133 --> 01:44:25,173
Speaker 2: innocent in prison, so you know, they beyond reasonable doubt,

2059
01:44:25,253 --> 01:44:27,652
Speaker 2: and there's a there's a high bar to convict someone,

2060
01:44:27,692 --> 01:44:31,892
Speaker 2: which is hard obviously in your case, because it seems

2061
01:44:31,933 --> 01:44:34,812
Speaker 2: like there wasn't any reasonable doubt, you know, if there's

2062
01:44:34,853 --> 01:44:42,253
Speaker 2: CCTV footage and such. But yeah, I mean it's horrible.

2063
01:44:42,293 --> 01:44:44,612
Speaker 2: It's a horrible situation and it's hard to talk to

2064
01:44:44,652 --> 01:44:48,133
Speaker 2: you about it because I can only imagine how you feel.

2065
01:44:48,412 --> 01:44:52,093
Speaker 3: And were you brought into the parole process, was were

2066
01:44:52,173 --> 01:44:54,972
Speaker 3: your thoughts and feelings taken into account?

2067
01:44:57,452 --> 01:45:01,492
Speaker 21: No, the family statements. I'm trying to think of the

2068
01:45:01,532 --> 01:45:06,492
Speaker 21: word that goes towards the decision weren't allowed to be read,

2069
01:45:07,652 --> 01:45:11,013
Speaker 21: the hurt statement. It's kind of thing. So no, so

2070
01:45:11,053 --> 01:45:14,692
Speaker 21: he got given life without parole because that was the

2071
01:45:14,812 --> 01:45:19,812
Speaker 21: minimum sentence he could get. But our feelings and what

2072
01:45:19,853 --> 01:45:23,492
Speaker 21: we've been through were taken into consideration at all. The

2073
01:45:23,572 --> 01:45:28,052
Speaker 21: interesting thing is the judge did say that this person

2074
01:45:28,133 --> 01:45:32,732
Speaker 21: did have to show that had been rehabilitated, etc. And

2075
01:45:32,973 --> 01:45:36,372
Speaker 21: the judge, you know, highly doubted that that could happen

2076
01:45:36,732 --> 01:45:39,892
Speaker 21: due to the actions of this person themselves. So very

2077
01:45:39,893 --> 01:45:42,812
Speaker 21: different too, obviously your scenario. But I thought i'd just

2078
01:45:42,893 --> 01:45:44,052
Speaker 21: ring from the family.

2079
01:45:44,133 --> 01:45:46,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, Hey, and I'm really really appreciate that,

2080
01:45:47,173 --> 01:45:50,133
Speaker 2: and once again sorry for all you've been through that

2081
01:45:50,133 --> 01:45:52,213
Speaker 2: that must be. I can't even imagine how rough that is.

2082
01:45:52,253 --> 01:45:54,213
Speaker 2: So thank you so much for your call. Really appreciate it.

2083
01:45:55,173 --> 01:45:55,452
Speaker 21: Thanks.

2084
01:45:55,732 --> 01:45:57,852
Speaker 3: Thanks, and oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty

2085
01:45:57,933 --> 01:45:59,412
Speaker 3: is the number to call if you want to send

2086
01:45:59,412 --> 01:46:01,253
Speaker 3: a text message more than welcome. Nine to two nine

2087
01:46:01,333 --> 01:46:04,093
Speaker 3: two is that number? It is twenty to four back

2088
01:46:04,133 --> 01:46:05,612
Speaker 3: for surely here on News Talks, theb.

2089
01:46:07,013 --> 01:46:09,652
Speaker 1: Come a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

2090
01:46:09,652 --> 01:46:13,213
Speaker 1: ten eighty Mart Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

2091
01:46:13,293 --> 01:46:14,452
Speaker 17: Sa'd be very.

2092
01:46:14,333 --> 01:46:17,372
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you, seventeen to four, and we've asked

2093
01:46:17,372 --> 01:46:19,652
Speaker 3: the question, should Mark Lundy be left alone? Now he

2094
01:46:19,732 --> 01:46:23,612
Speaker 3: has been released from prison and is reintegrating into the community. Oh,

2095
01:46:23,612 --> 01:46:24,692
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2096
01:46:25,013 --> 01:46:27,093
Speaker 2: This Texas says, he's done his time, seems like he's

2097
01:46:27,133 --> 01:46:30,252
Speaker 2: going to be somewhat financially dependent from the system, independent

2098
01:46:30,253 --> 01:46:34,213
Speaker 2: from the system. Leave him be, Whereas this text disagrees.

2099
01:46:34,293 --> 01:46:36,412
Speaker 2: I hope Mark Lundy has no peace. He's a convicted

2100
01:46:36,492 --> 01:46:39,333
Speaker 2: murderer that should have been given an actual life long sentence.

2101
01:46:39,572 --> 01:46:42,772
Speaker 2: We're too lenient in New Zealand and have very short

2102
01:46:42,772 --> 01:46:46,572
Speaker 2: memories and sentences. And this Texas says, is twenty three

2103
01:46:46,652 --> 01:46:51,972
Speaker 2: years enough for what he did. Yeah, well, there's those

2104
01:46:52,333 --> 01:46:54,892
Speaker 2: the two sides of the of the conversation. Yeah, but

2105
01:46:55,013 --> 01:46:58,133
Speaker 2: we're really asking the question should he be let be?

2106
01:46:58,532 --> 01:47:01,293
Speaker 2: Should should people go up and tell it take photos them?

2107
01:47:01,973 --> 01:47:04,652
Speaker 2: Tyler thinks yes, Tyler would run up and take a

2108
01:47:04,652 --> 01:47:05,293
Speaker 2: photo with him.

2109
01:47:05,612 --> 01:47:07,972
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm going to requalify that and say I wouldn't

2110
01:47:08,013 --> 01:47:09,732
Speaker 3: take a but you're more than welcome to take a

2111
01:47:09,732 --> 01:47:11,852
Speaker 3: photo of Mark Lunday if you see a mountain about right.

2112
01:47:12,253 --> 01:47:14,213
Speaker 3: I've never taken a photo with anyone. I mean, we'd

2113
01:47:14,253 --> 01:47:16,172
Speaker 3: had a chat about this with the Robbi Williams situation.

2114
01:47:16,293 --> 01:47:19,372
Speaker 3: I've never come up to any celebrity and said hello

2115
01:47:19,492 --> 01:47:20,933
Speaker 3: or asked for a photograph. But if you want to

2116
01:47:20,973 --> 01:47:23,732
Speaker 3: do that, then that is part of a free society.

2117
01:47:24,053 --> 01:47:26,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the photo we're talking about is in

2118
01:47:26,213 --> 01:47:29,612
Speaker 2: the Herald, and so arguably it's newsworthy to take a

2119
01:47:29,612 --> 01:47:33,172
Speaker 2: photo of him, although you absolutely can't say where he is. Yeah,

2120
01:47:33,372 --> 01:47:37,492
Speaker 2: that's suppressed. So it's arguably newsworthy. But if you're just

2121
01:47:37,532 --> 01:47:39,652
Speaker 2: a person, what are you taking the photo for? Just

2122
01:47:39,692 --> 01:47:41,333
Speaker 2: so you can tell your mates that you took the photo.

2123
01:47:41,853 --> 01:47:44,492
Speaker 2: I mean, what about someone that goes up and gets

2124
01:47:44,492 --> 01:47:46,412
Speaker 2: a selfie with him? Would you support that?

2125
01:47:46,732 --> 01:47:50,572
Speaker 3: Well, if Mark Lundy said that was okay, I suppose yeah, yeah,

2126
01:47:50,652 --> 01:47:52,692
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean he's incredibly famous.

2127
01:47:52,933 --> 01:47:58,492
Speaker 2: Well, as someone keeps pointing out, he's infamous, famous, infamous. Yeah,

2128
01:47:58,572 --> 01:48:00,133
Speaker 2: depending on the way you look at a lot. Okay,

2129
01:48:00,213 --> 01:48:02,372
Speaker 2: let's put it a different way. Nearly everyone in New

2130
01:48:02,452 --> 01:48:05,732
Speaker 2: Zealand would recognize him if he walked into a room,

2131
01:48:05,853 --> 01:48:08,772
Speaker 2: absolutely right, And that's for a lot of people enough

2132
01:48:08,772 --> 01:48:10,812
Speaker 2: for them to want to take a photo because it's

2133
01:48:10,812 --> 01:48:14,213
Speaker 2: an interesting enough situation that someone that they've seen their

2134
01:48:14,253 --> 01:48:16,933
Speaker 2: face in the media a lot happens to be in

2135
01:48:16,973 --> 01:48:19,492
Speaker 2: the area they are in. Exactly, it's interesting enough for

2136
01:48:19,572 --> 01:48:21,293
Speaker 2: them to take a photograph so they can go to

2137
01:48:21,333 --> 01:48:25,492
Speaker 2: their friends and look, I'm pretending to be holy in there.

2138
01:48:25,612 --> 01:48:27,892
Speaker 2: I probably would think that's pretty interesting, and I might

2139
01:48:27,933 --> 01:48:30,253
Speaker 2: even take a secret photo different sure with my friends.

2140
01:48:30,452 --> 01:48:32,973
Speaker 2: But should I Does that make it? Or is there

2141
01:48:33,013 --> 01:48:33,692
Speaker 2: something wrong with us?

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Speaker 3: Is a number to call Tilly? How are you?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, thank you very much for toucial opportunity. Yeah, to

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Speaker 15: me my own personal opinion, yeah, it's serious time. But

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Speaker 15: I before that, I'll feel sorry for this burious caller

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Speaker 15: or what she said. Yeah, but to me, I understand

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01:48:58,933 --> 01:49:02,572
Speaker 15: that we all different opinion my one. If you come

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Speaker 15: into my community, I will make a time. Just try

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Speaker 15: to know him. Uh, even I might ask him for

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Speaker 15: a cup of tea or coffee or whatever.

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Speaker 4: She won.

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Speaker 15: The thing is she's done his time, and not only

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01:49:22,692 --> 01:49:27,012
Speaker 15: ted he called bus the role boat as its pretty hard,

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01:49:27,853 --> 01:49:30,173
Speaker 15: so he must be do something in there to go

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01:49:30,333 --> 01:49:35,812
Speaker 15: past all the papers. Yeah, that's that's how my feeling

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01:49:35,812 --> 01:49:40,293
Speaker 15: about it. I mean to take photo, not now. I

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01:49:40,333 --> 01:49:45,012
Speaker 15: can't see why I had to go take photo because

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01:49:45,532 --> 01:49:48,772
Speaker 15: to me, the case is not finished. He still one

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Speaker 15: to put the clear slag. So I will take a

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Speaker 15: photo of him if he clear snag, like after Alan

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Speaker 15: Thomas and all those kind of things, before Bowler and

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Speaker 15: all these kind of people. But not now. Yeah, my opinion, well,

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Speaker 15: he done his time. I'll say hello to him and

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Speaker 15: try to know him. Man, go for him. It's just

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Speaker 15: a human being like me.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think if you're cool too, he yeah, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, and like a very magnanimous person. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: If you guys think it's okay to take a picture

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Speaker 2: with a convictim murderer, you should you need to get

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Speaker 2: another career. Well, I think we're probably well, we didn't

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Speaker 2: say that. In fact, I said it would be weird

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01:50:29,772 --> 01:50:32,812
Speaker 2: to do that, so it's an odd text. But also

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Speaker 2: I think we are in the career of people that

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Speaker 2: do take pictures. We're in love it or lumpet. You

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Speaker 2: and me are in the media.

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Speaker 3: Tyler, yep, one hundred percent. And I can guarantee you know,

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Speaker 3: there was the picture that we're talking about that is

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Speaker 3: in the Herald, that will get a lot of clicks

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Speaker 3: over the next twenty four hours. People are interested in

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Speaker 3: that it is newsworthy.

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Speaker 2: Is it right?

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01:50:51,452 --> 01:50:53,053
Speaker 3: There is the question that we're asking you.

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Speaker 2: I certainly wouldn't feel under threat if Lundy moved into

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01:50:55,572 --> 01:50:58,652
Speaker 2: my neighborhood. It's not like he's a crazy loon out

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01:50:59,333 --> 01:51:00,652
Speaker 2: randomly attacking joggers.

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Speaker 3: Keep those texts on nine two.

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01:51:03,532 --> 01:51:05,093
Speaker 2: You know too, he said he's been paroled, so they

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01:51:05,133 --> 01:51:08,012
Speaker 2: must know something. But you know, to play devil's advocate,

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01:51:08,013 --> 01:51:11,493
Speaker 2: there definitely have people that have been paroled and recently

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01:51:11,612 --> 01:51:13,892
Speaker 2: that have gone on you know, the pro board as

2191
01:51:13,893 --> 01:51:15,572
Speaker 2: definitely doesn't get it right one hundred percent of the

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01:51:15,572 --> 01:51:17,572
Speaker 2: time for sure, tragically very true.

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Speaker 3: Ross, what's your thoughts on on this?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, the guys, I can't remember the case years ago,

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01:51:27,492 --> 01:51:31,093
Speaker 19: so my opinion on where is your fu or not irrelevance?

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01:51:31,133 --> 01:51:34,013
Speaker 19: I wasn't done as well and the evidence presented, so

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01:51:34,213 --> 01:51:37,612
Speaker 19: I don't know, but my viewers had been prought back

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01:51:37,652 --> 01:51:39,853
Speaker 19: into the public eye because.

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Speaker 3: Oh Ross, last year we might come back to Ross.

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01:51:45,013 --> 01:51:47,572
Speaker 2: We had the worst phone quality ever and then it

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Speaker 2: disappeared completely. So we'll try and get Ross back on.

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Speaker 3: Yep, let's go to Chris. In the meantime, Hey you Chris,

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01:51:54,293 --> 01:51:56,372
Speaker 3: Hi Tyler, how are you very good? We got met

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01:51:56,372 --> 01:51:56,892
Speaker 3: here as well.

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Speaker 24: Hi mate. Well, I actually grew up in Palmi, did

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01:52:02,853 --> 01:52:05,892
Speaker 24: not know anyone personally, but I was aware of who

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01:52:05,893 --> 01:52:09,012
Speaker 24: that person is and we had it on talk back

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01:52:09,053 --> 01:52:14,652
Speaker 24: down here in Willington, Wellington today and here I really

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01:52:14,652 --> 01:52:16,932
Speaker 24: don't want to say what thoughts I have. I feel

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01:52:17,293 --> 01:52:20,253
Speaker 24: in some ways the process has happened and he's been

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01:52:20,293 --> 01:52:23,412
Speaker 24: allowed out. But like your earlier caller when she was

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01:52:23,452 --> 01:52:28,333
Speaker 24: talking about was it her family member, from my point

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01:52:28,372 --> 01:52:33,052
Speaker 24: of view, I think we're forgetting the biggest factor aside

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01:52:33,053 --> 01:52:37,333
Speaker 24: from that man, there is a family. After all these years,

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01:52:37,412 --> 01:52:41,773
Speaker 24: they're still grieving for their daughter, their sister, their auntie,

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01:52:42,173 --> 01:52:48,692
Speaker 24: their niece, and their grandchild. That's the best I can say.

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01:52:48,412 --> 01:52:51,852
Speaker 24: They've they've had a living here. They go in a

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01:52:51,893 --> 01:52:53,092
Speaker 24: living hell, aren't they?

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01:52:53,293 --> 01:52:55,532
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely?

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01:52:56,053 --> 01:52:58,492
Speaker 24: And so I don't want to I don't want to

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01:52:58,492 --> 01:53:02,732
Speaker 24: waste any energy on that man. Sorry. You know, the

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01:53:02,732 --> 01:53:07,692
Speaker 24: process has happened, you know, I due process with you

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01:53:07,732 --> 01:53:10,973
Speaker 24: want to acknowl that or not, but those those are

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01:53:11,013 --> 01:53:14,772
Speaker 24: the people that are my thoughts today. Okay, Christine and

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01:53:14,772 --> 01:53:16,852
Speaker 24: Amber's family not well.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Chris, Thanks, thank you for your cool

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01:53:18,732 --> 01:53:19,372
Speaker 2: thanks for sharing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. And a lot of people

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01:53:20,812 --> 01:53:22,132
Speaker 3: would feel the same as you. Chris.

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Speaker 23: Right.

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01:53:23,293 --> 01:53:25,372
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number of core.

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01:53:25,412 --> 01:53:26,893
Speaker 3: I think we've got Ross pick but we'll have a

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Speaker 3: chat to him after the break. It is ten to four, the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, to the big trends and

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoon to you, Ross. We've got you back.

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Speaker 14: Sorry about that, guys, that's not sure how much you

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01:53:46,692 --> 01:53:49,972
Speaker 14: But I say my opinion knows not whether he's guilty

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Speaker 14: or not. I can't actually remember the case. Really, I

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01:53:53,893 --> 01:53:56,293
Speaker 14: wasn't one of the twelve with the even unpresented to

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01:53:56,333 --> 01:53:59,133
Speaker 14: say where you're guilty or not. He's Damer's time. But

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01:53:59,173 --> 01:54:01,932
Speaker 14: what I was trying to my point was I wasn't

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01:54:01,973 --> 01:54:03,772
Speaker 14: brought to the mead as the attention that he was

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01:54:03,812 --> 01:54:06,213
Speaker 14: getting released today and he was released in the middle

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Speaker 14: of the night, taken to wherever integrate them too the public,

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01:54:10,532 --> 01:54:13,333
Speaker 14: how many people they actually know people will past me. Now,

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01:54:13,412 --> 01:54:16,612
Speaker 14: I wouldn't know them. Just someone else got pass on

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01:54:16,692 --> 01:54:18,213
Speaker 14: the street and it was like, I don't know how

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Speaker 14: many other people will be the same.

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Speaker 2: I find him. Maybe I've looked into the case too much, Ross,

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01:54:24,093 --> 01:54:26,173
Speaker 2: but I find them quite distinctive.

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01:54:26,652 --> 01:54:28,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would recognize them. But as a good point,

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01:54:29,013 --> 01:54:30,973
Speaker 3: I mean, we're both in the media. We follow the

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Speaker 3: news very close to cases.

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Speaker 2: When he was last out, when you know the case

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01:54:35,613 --> 01:54:38,373
Speaker 2: was being looked at again, he was hanging around in

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01:54:38,413 --> 01:54:41,013
Speaker 2: Auckland and a friend of mine was jogging and ran

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01:54:41,053 --> 01:54:43,453
Speaker 2: past them and then he called me and said, I

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Speaker 2: just ran past Mark Lundy. Yeah, so some people there.

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01:54:46,613 --> 01:54:48,973
Speaker 14: Were people out there that will definitely recognize them. But

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01:54:50,213 --> 01:54:51,973
Speaker 14: how many people if they didn't know that he was

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01:54:52,013 --> 01:54:54,573
Speaker 14: released today and the photo wasn't release of how he

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01:54:54,693 --> 01:54:57,253
Speaker 14: is now, would actually know it was him.

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Speaker 5: But there is people that well.

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Speaker 14: But there's probably a lot of people there.

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Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so with all that said, Ross, you reckon leave

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Speaker 3: them alone?

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01:55:04,853 --> 01:55:07,373
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think leave him alone. He's done the time

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01:55:07,453 --> 01:55:11,493
Speaker 14: that the system found them guilty of in the time,

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01:55:12,173 --> 01:55:14,413
Speaker 14: and the prole war was not that easy to get out.

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01:55:14,453 --> 01:55:18,733
Speaker 14: As the previous call that said I've been through, not personally,

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01:55:18,812 --> 01:55:21,132
Speaker 14: but I have family members that have been through the system,

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01:55:21,772 --> 01:55:24,533
Speaker 14: and yeah, it's not an easy thing to get out.

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01:55:24,653 --> 01:55:26,693
Speaker 14: So it's obviously jumped through the hopes he said to

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01:55:27,213 --> 01:55:30,333
Speaker 14: done the time that's been presented to him. Whether it's

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01:55:30,373 --> 01:55:34,413
Speaker 14: guilty or not, it's not my opinion. Yeah, so I

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01:55:34,413 --> 01:55:36,933
Speaker 14: think shouldn't leave him alone now. Yeah, but I do

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01:55:37,013 --> 01:55:40,533
Speaker 14: feel sorry for the family involved with with the BOFE

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01:55:40,573 --> 01:55:43,613
Speaker 14: and the kids and stuff obviously, But whether it's home

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01:55:43,693 --> 01:55:44,253
Speaker 14: or not, I don't know.

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01:55:44,733 --> 01:55:45,653
Speaker 8: My opinions I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, thank you so much for you call. Russ.

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01:55:48,253 --> 01:55:50,852
Speaker 2: Really appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a really

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01:55:50,893 --> 01:55:54,693
Speaker 2: complicated thing, certainly it is, and one of those things

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01:55:54,693 --> 01:55:56,453
Speaker 2: that sits solidly in the gray area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but appreciate your thoughts. And there'll be more to

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01:55:59,573 --> 01:56:03,613
Speaker 3: come on this particular story with Heather Deplee Ellen coming up,

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01:56:03,653 --> 01:56:04,932
Speaker 3: but that is us for another day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you all greatness is for listening to us

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Speaker 2: should leave Mark Lundy alone or not. The fabulous here

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Speaker 2: the Duplesland is up after the news. That's all from

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Speaker 2: the rest of the day, give him a taste of kicking.

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