1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks EDB. Follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:17,453 --> 00:00:21,733 Speaker 2: Yet inside the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct 4 00:00:21,933 --> 00:00:24,573 Speaker 2: with Elliott Smith powered by News Talks EDB. 5 00:00:24,853 --> 00:00:28,253 Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Access Solutions, elevating you 6 00:00:28,533 --> 00:00:32,333 Speaker 3: and your business to a higher level. We've moved on 7 00:00:32,413 --> 00:00:36,213 Speaker 3: to Paris. It is the All Blacks who have also 8 00:00:36,333 --> 00:00:38,853 Speaker 3: moved on with the third victory of the end of 9 00:00:38,933 --> 00:00:43,653 Speaker 3: year tour, adding Ireland to sculpts of England and Japan 10 00:00:43,853 --> 00:00:49,053 Speaker 3: and Rugby Direct back to discuss at all. Liam Napier greetings, 11 00:00:49,133 --> 00:00:51,453 Speaker 3: bon soir or bon soir is. 12 00:00:51,453 --> 00:00:56,093 Speaker 4: I believe you might call it from Paris. 13 00:00:56,693 --> 00:01:02,693 Speaker 5: That's air Elliott's bon bons bringing back some special memories. 14 00:01:03,093 --> 00:01:05,853 Speaker 5: Scrats have you joining us from Paris. 15 00:01:05,893 --> 00:01:07,893 Speaker 6: But yeah, maybe you can just clarify for. 16 00:01:07,853 --> 00:01:10,573 Speaker 5: The listeners what it is, because I know it's a 17 00:01:10,613 --> 00:01:11,733 Speaker 5: tough languages of French. 18 00:01:11,773 --> 00:01:13,573 Speaker 6: It's can be tough to get to hit around. 19 00:01:13,613 --> 00:01:17,333 Speaker 5: So if you could just clarify that for everyone once 20 00:01:17,413 --> 00:01:18,733 Speaker 5: and for all, well. 21 00:01:19,013 --> 00:01:21,493 Speaker 4: I think we clarify it fairly well at last year's 22 00:01:21,853 --> 00:01:25,333 Speaker 4: World Cup, where you would fear well like taxi drivers 23 00:01:25,333 --> 00:01:30,053 Speaker 4: and people restaurant staff with von s and head to 24 00:01:30,053 --> 00:01:33,653 Speaker 4: be total was actually bond the phrase for good evening. 25 00:01:33,693 --> 00:01:35,733 Speaker 4: But as you said, it is a very tough language 26 00:01:35,773 --> 00:01:39,853 Speaker 4: to learn. I know very little, but von versus bond 27 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:40,453 Speaker 4: I do know. 28 00:01:41,333 --> 00:01:45,453 Speaker 3: Liam your reaction please All Blacks defeat Ireland twenty three 29 00:01:45,773 --> 00:01:50,333 Speaker 3: thirteen in Dublin. They went and as outsiders. I know 30 00:01:50,453 --> 00:01:52,413 Speaker 3: last week you picked them to lose. I picked them 31 00:01:52,413 --> 00:01:55,253 Speaker 3: to win. They've gone and done the job. What did 32 00:01:55,253 --> 00:01:57,813 Speaker 3: you make of the performance in the match itself? 33 00:01:59,373 --> 00:02:01,453 Speaker 5: Yes, well it was not often at Elliott you actually 34 00:02:01,613 --> 00:02:04,093 Speaker 5: get one over me on the tipping state, so you 35 00:02:04,133 --> 00:02:08,533 Speaker 5: save with that and enjoy it. But look, I I 36 00:02:08,613 --> 00:02:12,253 Speaker 5: was surprised by a number of aspects of this match. 37 00:02:12,973 --> 00:02:18,013 Speaker 5: It come to Ireland's performance in the minutes. But look, 38 00:02:18,093 --> 00:02:21,653 Speaker 5: this was an impressive performance from the All Blacks, wasn't it. 39 00:02:22,053 --> 00:02:25,413 Speaker 5: If you consider the backdrop, everything was stacked against them, 40 00:02:25,813 --> 00:02:29,573 Speaker 5: the six day turnarounds that had a few injuries. They 41 00:02:29,573 --> 00:02:34,853 Speaker 5: were unconvincing at Twickenham the previous week got out of 42 00:02:34,933 --> 00:02:39,333 Speaker 5: jail with two mischances by George Ford at the death, 43 00:02:40,053 --> 00:02:42,853 Speaker 5: so there was a lot of uncertainty. I think surrounding 44 00:02:42,853 --> 00:02:45,333 Speaker 5: the All Blacks and the nature of their performances and 45 00:02:45,453 --> 00:02:48,373 Speaker 5: the hot and cold nature still there, and so they 46 00:02:48,413 --> 00:02:50,613 Speaker 5: had a lot to prove going to Dublin where they 47 00:02:50,613 --> 00:02:53,013 Speaker 5: hadn't won in eight years, lost their last two tests 48 00:02:53,453 --> 00:02:56,813 Speaker 5: playing the world number one, So a huge scalp for 49 00:02:56,813 --> 00:02:59,533 Speaker 5: the All Blacks, the most significant of the year under 50 00:02:59,573 --> 00:03:03,053 Speaker 5: Scott Robertson. They've lept to number two in the world 51 00:03:03,853 --> 00:03:07,853 Speaker 5: after the weekend's results. Not that that's a huge factor 52 00:03:07,893 --> 00:03:11,173 Speaker 5: I think, but the way they closed out that game 53 00:03:11,413 --> 00:03:15,373 Speaker 5: very impressive, wasn't it. Their ability to stick to their 54 00:03:15,413 --> 00:03:18,253 Speaker 5: game plan. I think they are really developing their identity. 55 00:03:19,093 --> 00:03:21,693 Speaker 5: They were brave, courageous. They had to survive a yellow 56 00:03:21,733 --> 00:03:24,933 Speaker 5: card to Jordie Barrett's. They got some real payoff the 57 00:03:24,973 --> 00:03:28,973 Speaker 5: bench again. They stuck where they're attacking intent, stretching island 58 00:03:29,013 --> 00:03:32,293 Speaker 5: wide and finally getting over the line to Will Jordan's. 59 00:03:32,373 --> 00:03:37,213 Speaker 5: So some real clutch moments under pressure. It was a 60 00:03:37,453 --> 00:03:43,653 Speaker 5: very rusty, clunky performance from Islands. Maybe we get into 61 00:03:43,893 --> 00:03:46,973 Speaker 5: where they are at and should it be a big 62 00:03:47,013 --> 00:03:48,253 Speaker 5: concern long term for them? 63 00:03:48,333 --> 00:03:50,093 Speaker 6: Are they stagnating? Have they peeked? 64 00:03:50,653 --> 00:03:54,493 Speaker 5: But look, I think the All Blacks will be massively 65 00:03:54,533 --> 00:03:55,693 Speaker 5: boyed by that performance. 66 00:03:57,053 --> 00:03:59,533 Speaker 3: Can to get into that a little bit shortly, but 67 00:03:59,693 --> 00:04:02,093 Speaker 3: I think the All Blacks will be very boyed by 68 00:04:02,173 --> 00:04:04,813 Speaker 3: that performance. The only time they'll really put under pressure 69 00:04:04,853 --> 00:04:08,493 Speaker 3: by Ireland was in that stretch just after halftime, when 70 00:04:09,013 --> 00:04:12,453 Speaker 3: Jordi Barrett was off the park and Ireland attacked with surreal, 71 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:15,693 Speaker 3: intense and real energy that we didn't see for the 72 00:04:15,733 --> 00:04:19,533 Speaker 3: other seventy minutes of the game. They were ferocious at 73 00:04:19,533 --> 00:04:22,853 Speaker 3: that point in the time. They did what we knew 74 00:04:23,173 --> 00:04:25,853 Speaker 3: and no on Ireland to do in their attacking shape 75 00:04:25,853 --> 00:04:30,533 Speaker 3: and attacking formation in recent seasons, and Josh Funderfley got 76 00:04:30,573 --> 00:04:33,293 Speaker 3: the rewards there and it felt like that was a 77 00:04:33,293 --> 00:04:35,893 Speaker 3: momentum swinger in the game, but it was actually really 78 00:04:36,053 --> 00:04:39,533 Speaker 3: just a bullip more than anything. The All Blacks restored 79 00:04:39,653 --> 00:04:42,173 Speaker 3: order to their performance shortly after that, when we go 80 00:04:42,293 --> 00:04:45,573 Speaker 3: back to fifteen and didn't really have too many issues. 81 00:04:45,613 --> 00:04:47,053 Speaker 3: Took a couple of penalty goals to them to get 82 00:04:47,093 --> 00:04:50,333 Speaker 3: back in front, and then the Will Jordan tried to 83 00:04:50,373 --> 00:04:52,973 Speaker 3: ice it. I guess you look at that and go 84 00:04:53,093 --> 00:04:55,333 Speaker 3: the All Blacks actually maybe could have even won by 85 00:04:55,373 --> 00:04:58,933 Speaker 3: more and been more dominant it was probably Samara scrambled 86 00:04:58,973 --> 00:05:02,493 Speaker 3: defense keeping the All Blacks outside the twenty two that 87 00:05:03,053 --> 00:05:06,413 Speaker 3: meant that they weren't able to perhaps win by more. 88 00:05:06,613 --> 00:05:09,173 Speaker 3: I thought it was a very good All Black's performance, 89 00:05:09,213 --> 00:05:12,253 Speaker 3: the best of the year, and it showed just where 90 00:05:12,253 --> 00:05:15,573 Speaker 3: they're heading, I think in terms of knowing that attacking structure, 91 00:05:15,613 --> 00:05:19,333 Speaker 3: the way they want to play, and almost you know, 92 00:05:20,053 --> 00:05:22,893 Speaker 3: some acceptance that they can't play the style that the 93 00:05:22,893 --> 00:05:26,693 Speaker 3: All Blacks have necessarily become accustomed to in recent years 94 00:05:26,733 --> 00:05:29,653 Speaker 3: and the way that New Zealanders are ingrained to play 95 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:32,613 Speaker 3: in a DNA. But this was built on a very 96 00:05:32,613 --> 00:05:35,853 Speaker 3: good four platform. Didn't always get the rubber the green 97 00:05:36,213 --> 00:05:38,373 Speaker 3: around the ruck. I thought there was a Nick Barry 98 00:05:38,493 --> 00:05:41,773 Speaker 3: was a bit sluggish there, but I thought from an 99 00:05:41,773 --> 00:05:44,533 Speaker 3: All Blacks perspective, that's a performance they can really hang 100 00:05:44,573 --> 00:05:47,253 Speaker 3: their hat on. It's the bar for them going forward 101 00:05:48,773 --> 00:05:50,493 Speaker 3: and sets up the rest of this tour. Of the 102 00:05:50,533 --> 00:05:53,613 Speaker 3: last two games of the year relatively nicely. I think 103 00:05:54,133 --> 00:05:56,573 Speaker 3: stand out for me personally the suffer on Laura and 104 00:05:56,653 --> 00:06:00,293 Speaker 3: Damian McKenzie, two players that probably wouldn't have been starting 105 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:02,493 Speaker 3: if a Cody Taylor and Bowden Barrett with fit, but 106 00:06:02,733 --> 00:06:05,573 Speaker 3: talking about players taking their chances. It was a game 107 00:06:05,613 --> 00:06:06,013 Speaker 3: of it. 108 00:06:07,173 --> 00:06:10,773 Speaker 5: Yeah, big time, and those outs for the All Blacks 109 00:06:10,773 --> 00:06:15,133 Speaker 5: Boden Barrett and Cody Taylor, two such senior influential figures. 110 00:06:15,373 --> 00:06:17,893 Speaker 6: I had big concerns around how the lineout was going 111 00:06:17,973 --> 00:06:18,173 Speaker 6: to go. 112 00:06:18,773 --> 00:06:21,333 Speaker 5: But it has been a really coming of age two 113 00:06:21,373 --> 00:06:24,253 Speaker 5: weeks for so far more, hasn't it. Seventy six odd 114 00:06:24,253 --> 00:06:27,813 Speaker 5: minutes at Twicking in the previous week, had a few 115 00:06:27,813 --> 00:06:31,213 Speaker 5: lineout yips in the second half there, throwing long three 116 00:06:31,973 --> 00:06:33,453 Speaker 5: missed lineouts for the All Blacks. 117 00:06:33,773 --> 00:06:36,893 Speaker 6: But to come through this performance pretty much. 118 00:06:36,733 --> 00:06:40,533 Speaker 5: An eighty minute effort, He'll take so much out of there, 119 00:06:40,533 --> 00:06:43,973 Speaker 5: and damon McKenzie, you know, much moligned, I guess game 120 00:06:44,053 --> 00:06:47,013 Speaker 5: management in particular, and for him to stand up kick 121 00:06:47,093 --> 00:06:50,453 Speaker 5: eighteen points, you know they had that. He had that 122 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:53,333 Speaker 5: one moment with Will Jordan where it was a bit 123 00:06:53,373 --> 00:06:55,893 Speaker 5: of a brain explosion where they put each other on 124 00:06:56,013 --> 00:06:58,493 Speaker 5: a massive pressure taking that quick line out. 125 00:06:58,533 --> 00:07:00,973 Speaker 6: But aside from that, you know. 126 00:07:00,973 --> 00:07:04,893 Speaker 5: He took great options directed to the All Blacks around that. 127 00:07:04,933 --> 00:07:08,253 Speaker 5: I think it was his skipball to more that you know, 128 00:07:09,213 --> 00:07:12,333 Speaker 5: identified the space and made the most of it. For 129 00:07:12,493 --> 00:07:16,133 Speaker 5: Will Jordan's try so another clutch moment there standing up 130 00:07:16,133 --> 00:07:19,533 Speaker 5: with his goal kicking, and it really does change the 131 00:07:19,653 --> 00:07:22,613 Speaker 5: sort of complexion of the All Black season, but also 132 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:26,333 Speaker 5: their squads and their depths are you know, having been 133 00:07:26,453 --> 00:07:31,093 Speaker 5: forced to develop players again through injury. When you think 134 00:07:31,133 --> 00:07:34,573 Speaker 5: about Boden Barrett and Cody Taylor probably been available for 135 00:07:34,613 --> 00:07:38,013 Speaker 5: this week, then you have got a real conversation a 136 00:07:38,013 --> 00:07:40,253 Speaker 5: about who starts attend. But then you think about the 137 00:07:40,613 --> 00:07:42,813 Speaker 5: nature of the bench with Armor probably going back to 138 00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:46,093 Speaker 5: the bench and bringing on a McKenzie or a Barrett. 139 00:07:46,933 --> 00:07:49,893 Speaker 5: And then you think about Patrick Twoplotu and the performances 140 00:07:49,893 --> 00:07:53,013 Speaker 5: of offer toing a fussy and Pussileo Tossi off the bench. 141 00:07:53,053 --> 00:07:55,693 Speaker 5: So an area for the All Blacks when you think 142 00:07:55,733 --> 00:07:59,293 Speaker 5: about the Rugby Championship and the five final quarter fades there, 143 00:08:00,373 --> 00:08:02,373 Speaker 5: they really have turned that around in the last couple 144 00:08:02,413 --> 00:08:05,093 Speaker 5: of weeks. I know they've got a few injuries this 145 00:08:05,173 --> 00:08:07,693 Speaker 5: week with Sam Cain and Mark Tale have been ruled out, 146 00:08:07,773 --> 00:08:13,453 Speaker 5: so they have to make some changes. But developing that depth, Elliott, 147 00:08:13,573 --> 00:08:16,773 Speaker 5: it really does change the complexion of the squad, doesn't it. 148 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:18,933 Speaker 3: It does because that's what's going to win your World Cup. 149 00:08:18,973 --> 00:08:21,733 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty seven is having depth. We know that 150 00:08:21,813 --> 00:08:24,453 Speaker 3: the spring Box have been able to achieve with their 151 00:08:24,493 --> 00:08:27,013 Speaker 3: depth and where they sit at the moment and the 152 00:08:27,053 --> 00:08:29,093 Speaker 3: players that they can call or not only from a 153 00:08:29,133 --> 00:08:31,933 Speaker 3: twenty three that starts a game, but from their wider 154 00:08:32,133 --> 00:08:34,573 Speaker 3: squad as well of what players with test experience they 155 00:08:34,613 --> 00:08:38,013 Speaker 3: can call on. It's always been a strength of previous 156 00:08:38,013 --> 00:08:40,053 Speaker 3: All Black sides that have won World Cups and next 157 00:08:40,093 --> 00:08:43,493 Speaker 3: man up mentality and having the ability to dip into 158 00:08:43,493 --> 00:08:47,333 Speaker 3: that pool and go beyond your first choice fifteen, I 159 00:08:47,373 --> 00:08:49,213 Speaker 3: think is really vital. And for someone like a stuff 160 00:08:49,293 --> 00:08:50,973 Speaker 3: On Mullie, look at the test starts that he has 161 00:08:51,013 --> 00:08:54,213 Speaker 3: had in previous occasions. He's always when he's been in 162 00:08:54,253 --> 00:08:57,133 Speaker 3: previously been the third choice hooker. This year he's up 163 00:08:57,173 --> 00:09:01,613 Speaker 3: to second, probably only because Sammasoni Takayaho is injured. And 164 00:09:02,133 --> 00:09:03,653 Speaker 3: you know, there's only so much you can learn from 165 00:09:03,693 --> 00:09:06,613 Speaker 3: starting and playing big minutes against with all due respect. 166 00:09:07,053 --> 00:09:09,093 Speaker 3: You know Fiji, the team that we to San Diego 167 00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:12,013 Speaker 3: for them Japan a couple of weeks back. This is 168 00:09:12,013 --> 00:09:14,973 Speaker 3: where you earn your bread and butter. Is playing against 169 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:16,813 Speaker 3: the big countries in the world, and he's had two 170 00:09:16,813 --> 00:09:20,733 Speaker 3: big weeks. Now we're hopefully it's coming of age moment 171 00:09:20,773 --> 00:09:22,493 Speaker 3: because we know what he's been capable of at Super 172 00:09:22,533 --> 00:09:26,453 Speaker 3: rugby level and indeed at the NBC level as well. 173 00:09:26,453 --> 00:09:30,253 Speaker 3: We'll get onto the changes potentially for this weekend in 174 00:09:30,333 --> 00:09:32,493 Speaker 3: a moment or two. I guess you look at that 175 00:09:32,533 --> 00:09:34,973 Speaker 3: performance and the one thing I want to touch on 176 00:09:36,613 --> 00:09:39,933 Speaker 3: is perhaps if we look at the Irish performance, as 177 00:09:39,933 --> 00:09:43,413 Speaker 3: we mentioned before, around that they were a shadow of 178 00:09:43,413 --> 00:09:47,853 Speaker 3: what we've seen from them previously. And it wasn't the 179 00:09:47,893 --> 00:09:51,173 Speaker 3: Irish that we've become accustomed to, you know, it wasn't 180 00:09:51,173 --> 00:09:54,933 Speaker 3: the Iris that split the series, you know against South 181 00:09:54,973 --> 00:09:59,173 Speaker 3: Africa midyear and has pushed the All Blacks before. It 182 00:09:59,253 --> 00:10:02,173 Speaker 3: felt labored's I don't think I've seen Bundy Rkey play 183 00:10:02,253 --> 00:10:04,213 Speaker 3: as poorly against the All Blacks as he did on 184 00:10:04,213 --> 00:10:07,013 Speaker 3: the weekend. In fact, he looked tired in all honesty, 185 00:10:07,893 --> 00:10:11,613 Speaker 3: and a team that looks a little tired you look 186 00:10:11,613 --> 00:10:13,693 Speaker 3: at the players are coming off the bench. Peter Amoney 187 00:10:13,773 --> 00:10:18,453 Speaker 3: great warrior in Tess Ruby, but he's played one hundred 188 00:10:18,493 --> 00:10:23,173 Speaker 3: and twenty odd Test matches roughly now. Ken Heirley's played 189 00:10:24,173 --> 00:10:26,133 Speaker 3: for a number of years well more than a decade 190 00:10:26,133 --> 00:10:30,413 Speaker 3: over one hundred tests. Colin Murray still kicking around. Ireland's 191 00:10:30,613 --> 00:10:33,013 Speaker 3: had some really real good success at the under twenty 192 00:10:33,493 --> 00:10:35,533 Speaker 3: six Nations in recent times, but you don't see that 193 00:10:35,573 --> 00:10:38,613 Speaker 3: necessarily coming through. It feels like the same Irish team 194 00:10:38,613 --> 00:10:41,053 Speaker 3: which has been around for a few years by Johnny Sexton, 195 00:10:42,173 --> 00:10:44,453 Speaker 3: and you know this is only one game, but it 196 00:10:44,613 --> 00:10:47,373 Speaker 3: just does feel like maybe there's a bit of regeneration 197 00:10:47,493 --> 00:10:48,293 Speaker 3: needed in that team. 198 00:10:49,493 --> 00:10:50,733 Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree, Elliot. 199 00:10:50,773 --> 00:10:53,973 Speaker 5: Look, I think they looked predictable and we have to 200 00:10:53,973 --> 00:10:56,133 Speaker 5: acknowledge they had a couple of big outs too, Ted 201 00:10:56,213 --> 00:11:00,533 Speaker 5: Furlong and Dan Shan so two of their starting front row, 202 00:11:00,573 --> 00:11:02,693 Speaker 5: and I think we saw that there was some yips 203 00:11:02,693 --> 00:11:05,533 Speaker 5: from their lineout and this scrum was pretty much under 204 00:11:05,573 --> 00:11:09,493 Speaker 5: pressure throughout that match. I think I've had ethan the 205 00:11:09,533 --> 00:11:13,653 Speaker 5: group being involved. They probably could have got stuffed more 206 00:11:13,653 --> 00:11:16,973 Speaker 5: at scrum time, but it just looked so orchestrated and 207 00:11:17,053 --> 00:11:20,973 Speaker 5: structured and when that doesn't come to fruition for Island, 208 00:11:21,813 --> 00:11:24,213 Speaker 5: they don't really know where to go or what to do. 209 00:11:24,493 --> 00:11:27,613 Speaker 5: There was a lot of box kicking. They got some 210 00:11:27,653 --> 00:11:29,253 Speaker 5: pay at the breakdown, but there was a bit of 211 00:11:29,253 --> 00:11:32,013 Speaker 5: a lottery. As you mentioned with Nick, very very scrappy. 212 00:11:32,733 --> 00:11:34,933 Speaker 5: Island seemed to be coming in from the side laying 213 00:11:34,933 --> 00:11:38,813 Speaker 5: in the ruck a lot of leeway there, so that 214 00:11:38,853 --> 00:11:42,933 Speaker 5: contributed to a pretty ugly spectacle on the whole. You know, 215 00:11:43,013 --> 00:11:46,333 Speaker 5: Cam sorry, Cortes Rasma was under massive pressure for the 216 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:50,133 Speaker 5: All Blacks, but for Ireland. Yeah, where is the next 217 00:11:50,173 --> 00:11:52,613 Speaker 5: generation coming from? This is a team that has been 218 00:11:52,653 --> 00:11:54,973 Speaker 5: around a long time. We do have to be careful 219 00:11:55,013 --> 00:11:58,133 Speaker 5: not to read into one performance too much. Ireland haven't 220 00:11:58,133 --> 00:12:01,453 Speaker 5: played since July, but they had everything in their favor. 221 00:12:01,533 --> 00:12:03,413 Speaker 5: You know, they're at home. This was they made a 222 00:12:03,413 --> 00:12:05,693 Speaker 5: big deal of playing on the Friday night lights. They 223 00:12:05,733 --> 00:12:09,293 Speaker 5: were hell bent on redemption because of the World Cup 224 00:12:09,853 --> 00:12:11,093 Speaker 5: quarterfinal last year. 225 00:12:11,133 --> 00:12:12,533 Speaker 6: They're going to avenge that result. 226 00:12:13,573 --> 00:12:16,853 Speaker 5: It was all set up for them and they completely flopped. 227 00:12:17,253 --> 00:12:20,573 Speaker 5: They didn't really put the All Blacks under a great 228 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:26,493 Speaker 5: deal of pressure from my perspective, and are now looking. 229 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:27,933 Speaker 6: At playing Argentina this weekend. 230 00:12:27,973 --> 00:12:31,093 Speaker 5: Who an Argentinian team that's already had some big scalps. 231 00:12:31,093 --> 00:12:35,333 Speaker 5: So now Islands. It's amazing how one result can rarely 232 00:12:35,373 --> 00:12:41,333 Speaker 5: flip the script. Yeah, they had really looked like duds. 233 00:12:42,413 --> 00:12:44,693 Speaker 5: You moved on from that World Cup quarter final with 234 00:12:44,733 --> 00:12:48,053 Speaker 5: what they did in South Africa and Johnny Sexton's out 235 00:12:48,053 --> 00:12:50,373 Speaker 5: hadn't been so big for them, but this was a 236 00:12:50,413 --> 00:12:52,533 Speaker 5: performance that will spark a lot of concern for them. 237 00:12:52,533 --> 00:12:53,933 Speaker 7: I think I think it will too. 238 00:12:53,973 --> 00:12:59,093 Speaker 3: And looking at the teens I'm not convinced by either 239 00:12:59,173 --> 00:13:01,653 Speaker 3: of them that played on the weekend. I thought they 240 00:13:01,693 --> 00:13:05,933 Speaker 3: were labored at times. Karan Frawley doesn't fill me with 241 00:13:05,973 --> 00:13:08,053 Speaker 3: a lot of confidence. He counts for the bench, made 242 00:13:08,053 --> 00:13:12,173 Speaker 3: a none braveras so. You know, it's hard replacing legacy 243 00:13:12,213 --> 00:13:15,373 Speaker 3: teams like Johnny Sexton. You many international teams have been 244 00:13:15,413 --> 00:13:17,133 Speaker 3: through it, but there might have been a trial in 245 00:13:17,133 --> 00:13:20,333 Speaker 3: an era before they settle on that Liam. If we're 246 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:24,693 Speaker 3: looking ahead to this weekend France and started to France, 247 00:13:25,853 --> 00:13:27,893 Speaker 3: the area that the All Blacks know well, a venue 248 00:13:27,933 --> 00:13:30,293 Speaker 3: the All Blacks know well. Lost a World Cup final 249 00:13:30,853 --> 00:13:34,213 Speaker 3: there just over a year ago. Now lost to France 250 00:13:34,253 --> 00:13:36,093 Speaker 3: on the opening game of that World Cup as well, 251 00:13:36,533 --> 00:13:38,613 Speaker 3: a lot of water going under the bridge since then, 252 00:13:38,813 --> 00:13:42,853 Speaker 3: France beating Japan earlier in the weekend as well. Where 253 00:13:42,893 --> 00:13:46,053 Speaker 3: do you see this game going over the weekend and 254 00:13:46,573 --> 00:13:49,013 Speaker 3: can the all blacks make it for in a role 255 00:13:49,053 --> 00:13:50,013 Speaker 3: on this end of view tour. 256 00:13:51,453 --> 00:13:55,973 Speaker 5: What a result that would be given the expectations coming 257 00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:58,773 Speaker 5: into this too. I think both of us predicted they 258 00:13:58,813 --> 00:14:02,333 Speaker 5: would win four or five, but that was very optimistic 259 00:14:02,373 --> 00:14:04,933 Speaker 5: based on what had happened this year. But if we 260 00:14:04,973 --> 00:14:07,533 Speaker 5: look at France, dress and foremost, it's quite hard to 261 00:14:07,573 --> 00:14:09,413 Speaker 5: get a gauge on them, and it's a bit of 262 00:14:09,413 --> 00:14:13,893 Speaker 5: a tied serio type of unpredictable French. But if you 263 00:14:13,933 --> 00:14:18,093 Speaker 5: look at France following their World Cup quarterfinal weexit, I 264 00:14:18,093 --> 00:14:20,413 Speaker 5: don't know if they've truly got an over that yet. 265 00:14:20,453 --> 00:14:23,573 Speaker 5: A home World cut for them, everything was set up 266 00:14:23,933 --> 00:14:28,253 Speaker 5: and they came into that with great form, but you 267 00:14:28,293 --> 00:14:30,253 Speaker 5: know that the life was sucked out of that tournament 268 00:14:30,253 --> 00:14:33,573 Speaker 5: when they lost to South Africa by one point. Then 269 00:14:33,613 --> 00:14:36,613 Speaker 5: in July they go out to Argentina with a second 270 00:14:36,653 --> 00:14:39,733 Speaker 5: string team and have a number of off field issues there. 271 00:14:39,733 --> 00:14:43,333 Speaker 5: They split that series one one. They go back into 272 00:14:43,453 --> 00:14:47,293 Speaker 5: the top fourteen. They will get Antonto Palm back, which 273 00:14:47,333 --> 00:14:49,773 Speaker 5: is massive for them. I know his first match back 274 00:14:49,813 --> 00:14:52,293 Speaker 5: in the top fourteen, he scored three tries off the bench, 275 00:14:52,373 --> 00:14:55,173 Speaker 5: so all eyes on him. But I think there are 276 00:14:55,253 --> 00:14:58,573 Speaker 5: a few question marks about where France are at. I 277 00:14:58,613 --> 00:15:01,453 Speaker 5: think they spanked Japan last weekend, but how much can 278 00:15:01,453 --> 00:15:05,373 Speaker 5: you take out of that performance given where Japan are at, 279 00:15:06,573 --> 00:15:09,253 Speaker 5: so hard to know what to expect from the French 280 00:15:09,333 --> 00:15:11,853 Speaker 5: that the All Blacks I think they'll have to you know, 281 00:15:11,893 --> 00:15:14,213 Speaker 5: they will be starting to feel the effects of a 282 00:15:14,213 --> 00:15:14,853 Speaker 5: big season. 283 00:15:14,893 --> 00:15:17,173 Speaker 6: With Sam Cain and Mark Talaire out. There be a 284 00:15:17,213 --> 00:15:18,013 Speaker 6: couple of changes. 285 00:15:18,053 --> 00:15:21,733 Speaker 5: You'd expect probably Ardie Severe to go to seven and 286 00:15:21,773 --> 00:15:25,173 Speaker 5: Wallace is teased to eight. Maybe some of Penny Female 287 00:15:25,253 --> 00:15:28,573 Speaker 5: comes in at six. I think it's good recognition for 288 00:15:29,133 --> 00:15:32,013 Speaker 5: Carefi to come into that squad on the right wing. 289 00:15:32,093 --> 00:15:35,853 Speaker 5: You'd expects of Reice to come in, so pretty seamless 290 00:15:35,933 --> 00:15:38,613 Speaker 5: changes to a degree for the All Blacks, they will 291 00:15:38,613 --> 00:15:41,333 Speaker 5: have to come down from that Irish performance. There'll be 292 00:15:41,413 --> 00:15:44,853 Speaker 5: Bassard's because of the nature of England Island back to 293 00:15:44,933 --> 00:15:47,213 Speaker 5: back and then France. It's a massive three weeks, so 294 00:15:48,533 --> 00:15:51,853 Speaker 5: there will be a bit of tweaking needed in that squad. 295 00:15:51,933 --> 00:15:55,293 Speaker 5: But look, it'd be hard not to back the All 296 00:15:55,293 --> 00:15:58,333 Speaker 5: Blacks to get up this week, I think, But it's 297 00:15:58,413 --> 00:16:01,533 Speaker 5: just it's quite hard to know which French team will 298 00:16:01,573 --> 00:16:01,933 Speaker 5: turn up. 299 00:16:02,893 --> 00:16:06,613 Speaker 7: Indeed it is Liam. Give us a prediction. Do they 300 00:16:06,653 --> 00:16:07,373 Speaker 7: win this weekend? 301 00:16:08,533 --> 00:16:10,333 Speaker 6: I will top the All Blacks this sweek Elliott's. 302 00:16:10,813 --> 00:16:14,493 Speaker 5: I think they'll have a lot of confidence and belief 303 00:16:14,573 --> 00:16:17,253 Speaker 5: based on what's happened the past two weeks. You know, 304 00:16:18,053 --> 00:16:20,013 Speaker 5: they've had a tough year. It's been a bit of 305 00:16:20,013 --> 00:16:23,613 Speaker 5: a roller coaster. Scott Robinson his first year, a lot 306 00:16:23,653 --> 00:16:28,133 Speaker 5: of change and the coaching team and the structures. But 307 00:16:28,213 --> 00:16:31,813 Speaker 5: I do think, like you mentioned before, they've starting to 308 00:16:31,853 --> 00:16:34,373 Speaker 5: come to grips with their identity, with the way they 309 00:16:34,413 --> 00:16:37,333 Speaker 5: want to play, with the way they close out matches. 310 00:16:37,533 --> 00:16:40,573 Speaker 5: So I think that there's a lot that they can 311 00:16:40,613 --> 00:16:46,533 Speaker 5: carry through to this week. Playing these European nations at home, 312 00:16:46,813 --> 00:16:49,573 Speaker 5: you do have to be careful because France are a 313 00:16:49,613 --> 00:16:51,693 Speaker 5: team that can go bang bang, and then the crowd 314 00:16:51,693 --> 00:16:54,373 Speaker 5: gets involved and it's very hard to get their momentum back. 315 00:16:54,933 --> 00:16:57,213 Speaker 6: But a Field Blacks can stay in the fights. 316 00:16:58,093 --> 00:17:01,773 Speaker 5: We talked about their bench before and their game management's improving. 317 00:17:02,453 --> 00:17:04,173 Speaker 6: Yeah, I am going to tip them too one this week. 318 00:17:04,933 --> 00:17:07,213 Speaker 3: I suggested that they've beat England and I and they 319 00:17:07,253 --> 00:17:10,213 Speaker 3: lose to France, So I'm not going to deviate from that, 320 00:17:10,293 --> 00:17:12,733 Speaker 3: but I hope the All Blacks get the job done 321 00:17:12,733 --> 00:17:15,493 Speaker 3: at Start Defrance this weekend. Let's talk about the remainder 322 00:17:15,493 --> 00:17:17,093 Speaker 3: of the games over the course of the weekend. What 323 00:17:17,373 --> 00:17:18,773 Speaker 3: stood out for you. I don't want to run through 324 00:17:18,813 --> 00:17:23,973 Speaker 3: every game because I'm sure that everyone's probably done to 325 00:17:24,013 --> 00:17:26,053 Speaker 3: death or webit on some of those games. What the 326 00:17:26,173 --> 00:17:27,893 Speaker 3: key things that stood out to you from the rest 327 00:17:27,893 --> 00:17:28,453 Speaker 3: of the weekend. 328 00:17:29,653 --> 00:17:32,373 Speaker 5: It's hard to go past the Wallabies, isn't it. What 329 00:17:32,493 --> 00:17:37,133 Speaker 5: a stunning result for them and much needed for Australian rugby, 330 00:17:37,213 --> 00:17:40,493 Speaker 5: and in particular just Joseph suweer Lee's debut. I think 331 00:17:41,373 --> 00:17:44,973 Speaker 5: expectations when he's come over from the NRL only a 332 00:17:44,973 --> 00:17:48,773 Speaker 5: matter of weeks ago, really that maybe he might get 333 00:17:48,973 --> 00:17:51,253 Speaker 5: one Test cap off the bench on the spring tour. 334 00:17:51,733 --> 00:17:55,053 Speaker 5: Question marks about you know, whether he would even get that, 335 00:17:55,173 --> 00:17:57,333 Speaker 5: whether he was just a bit of a project player. 336 00:17:57,373 --> 00:18:01,213 Speaker 5: Take him into the squad lo and Beholds throws him 337 00:18:01,253 --> 00:18:03,813 Speaker 5: into start in the midfield at Twickenham against England, up 338 00:18:03,813 --> 00:18:09,653 Speaker 5: against Olli Lawrence, very established Test midfield and what a 339 00:18:09,693 --> 00:18:10,573 Speaker 5: stunning debut. 340 00:18:10,733 --> 00:18:14,133 Speaker 6: Just his confidence to walk onto that. 341 00:18:14,133 --> 00:18:17,733 Speaker 5: Stage, his breadth of skill and what a result for 342 00:18:17,773 --> 00:18:19,733 Speaker 5: the Wallabies to pull that out of the bag in 343 00:18:19,773 --> 00:18:21,013 Speaker 5: the eighty fourth minute. 344 00:18:21,013 --> 00:18:24,213 Speaker 6: I think it was trying the corner. There was a. 345 00:18:26,053 --> 00:18:28,973 Speaker 5: Crazy sort of game England one lost, it lost, it 346 00:18:29,013 --> 00:18:34,453 Speaker 5: won and that's such a big result for Joe Schmitt's Wallabies. 347 00:18:35,093 --> 00:18:37,853 Speaker 6: But also what a weekend for Southern Hemisphere rugby. 348 00:18:37,973 --> 00:18:41,933 Speaker 5: Just a reminder that's I guess that the tide cliche 349 00:18:42,013 --> 00:18:45,573 Speaker 5: that Super rugby is terrible and preparing players for the 350 00:18:45,613 --> 00:18:49,293 Speaker 5: Test scene maybe doesn't align. You know, there is a 351 00:18:49,333 --> 00:18:52,333 Speaker 5: lot in the fact that the Northern Hemisphere has starting 352 00:18:52,373 --> 00:18:56,933 Speaker 5: their season and the Southern's battle hardened. But it is 353 00:18:56,973 --> 00:19:00,493 Speaker 5: a reminder of where Test rugby's as the closeness of 354 00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:03,693 Speaker 5: the top sort of five nations in the world in particular, 355 00:19:04,813 --> 00:19:08,093 Speaker 5: So a real philip for the for the Southern Hemisphere. 356 00:19:08,693 --> 00:19:11,133 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it is hard to go past that gave it 357 00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:13,533 Speaker 3: twiket and it was remarkable one of the best rugby 358 00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:15,853 Speaker 3: games I've seen in some time. For England to score 359 00:19:15,933 --> 00:19:19,053 Speaker 3: thirty seven points at Twickenham and not come away with 360 00:19:19,093 --> 00:19:21,693 Speaker 3: the win was crazy. It looked at one point but 361 00:19:22,293 --> 00:19:24,213 Speaker 3: felt like England were about to kick away, but the 362 00:19:24,213 --> 00:19:27,413 Speaker 3: Warby's just managed to stay with them right until the 363 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:31,413 Speaker 3: very end and quite the finish that it was. Max 364 00:19:31,453 --> 00:19:34,693 Speaker 3: Jorgenson looks like a real player of promise. Leniki Tower 365 00:19:34,733 --> 00:19:40,093 Speaker 3: as well, combining with Suwa lee Ian midfield Eki inexplicably 366 00:19:40,493 --> 00:19:43,613 Speaker 3: not wanted by Eddie Jones for the end of the year. 367 00:19:43,733 --> 00:19:46,453 Speaker 3: Sorry for the Rugy Will Cup last year. Despite the victor, 368 00:19:46,453 --> 00:19:49,573 Speaker 3: he's probably, you know, one of the Wallaby's best. Just 369 00:19:49,973 --> 00:19:52,413 Speaker 3: completely put him in the arter and he laid on 370 00:19:52,413 --> 00:19:56,173 Speaker 3: that ball to Max Jorginson. That sorted the mat with 371 00:19:56,213 --> 00:19:59,973 Speaker 3: that end of match winning try. So you've got to 372 00:20:00,013 --> 00:20:03,773 Speaker 3: give credit to Leniky Tower as well, and no credit. 373 00:20:03,453 --> 00:20:04,173 Speaker 7: To Eddie Jones. 374 00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:08,093 Speaker 3: Right, let's move on before we wrap up the first 375 00:20:08,133 --> 00:20:14,133 Speaker 3: time for the podcast. Super Rugby squads have just been announced, Leam. 376 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:17,493 Speaker 3: I guess a couple of we surprises, but nothing made 377 00:20:17,533 --> 00:20:18,013 Speaker 3: sure in there. 378 00:20:18,013 --> 00:20:21,133 Speaker 7: I guess not revealed this that there's been a bit 379 00:20:21,173 --> 00:20:21,933 Speaker 7: of oil around you. 380 00:20:22,133 --> 00:20:25,773 Speaker 3: I've been pushed to Meg as well that the Hurricanes 381 00:20:25,813 --> 00:20:29,173 Speaker 3: were poised to land in All Blacks ten. The name 382 00:20:29,213 --> 00:20:32,773 Speaker 3: attached was Stephen Petafetta. Now I know that you explored 383 00:20:32,773 --> 00:20:34,693 Speaker 3: it with the Hurricanes and was told there was no 384 00:20:34,773 --> 00:20:37,453 Speaker 3: truth in it. Lo and behold the team's come out today. 385 00:20:38,013 --> 00:20:41,093 Speaker 3: He's not in the Hurricanes team. They've got Riley haul Heepper. 386 00:20:42,013 --> 00:20:45,733 Speaker 3: But you know, rumors are always abound before the Super 387 00:20:45,813 --> 00:20:49,093 Speaker 3: Rugby squad namings. What stood out to you from some 388 00:20:49,133 --> 00:20:51,253 Speaker 3: of those squads that have been announced today. 389 00:20:52,453 --> 00:20:54,533 Speaker 5: They're no great surprises out the LA and that seems 390 00:20:54,573 --> 00:20:56,813 Speaker 5: to be the case of Super rugby squads these days. 391 00:20:56,813 --> 00:20:59,253 Speaker 5: Most of the headline signings are announced ahead of time. 392 00:20:59,893 --> 00:21:02,333 Speaker 5: Now we knew Boden Barrett was coming back from Japan 393 00:21:02,453 --> 00:21:03,093 Speaker 5: to the Blues. 394 00:21:03,133 --> 00:21:05,333 Speaker 6: We knew Ardie Severe was going. 395 00:21:05,133 --> 00:21:09,293 Speaker 5: From the Hurricanes to Moana Pacifica, So most of the 396 00:21:09,573 --> 00:21:12,533 Speaker 5: big takeaways they're out there. I think the Warrior Cars 397 00:21:12,573 --> 00:21:16,333 Speaker 5: have recruited really well after the demise of the Melwoyn Rebels, 398 00:21:16,493 --> 00:21:22,613 Speaker 5: number of Wallabies going there. But yeah, the Hurricanes could 399 00:21:22,653 --> 00:21:24,173 Speaker 5: be a wee bit of a tough year. They're going 400 00:21:24,213 --> 00:21:28,013 Speaker 5: to have to cover Jordie Barrett who's going up to Ireland. 401 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:32,213 Speaker 5: Artie's gone, although their loose forward stocks are pretty well 402 00:21:33,413 --> 00:21:36,973 Speaker 5: looking pretty good and Brick Cameron injured for the year, 403 00:21:37,053 --> 00:21:40,333 Speaker 5: so Reuben Love maybe have to slop sloting at ten. 404 00:21:40,813 --> 00:21:46,053 Speaker 5: The Hurricanes pick up Crusaders, great Riley Hohaper, so big, big. 405 00:21:46,053 --> 00:21:46,853 Speaker 6: Recruit for them. 406 00:21:47,613 --> 00:21:51,933 Speaker 5: And what about your your Crusaders, how do you see 407 00:21:51,933 --> 00:21:52,533 Speaker 5: them shaping that? 408 00:21:52,933 --> 00:21:56,173 Speaker 3: Look I've seen you're wearing a Christian Callum Hurricanes tribute, 409 00:21:56,213 --> 00:21:59,493 Speaker 3: Jerzy make room for a Riley Hall h Hooper one, come 410 00:22:01,013 --> 00:22:04,213 Speaker 3: lead you to the Promised Land. Look the Crusaders. You're 411 00:22:04,253 --> 00:22:07,773 Speaker 3: looking at the squad really stable by and large. There's 412 00:22:07,853 --> 00:22:11,733 Speaker 3: not a lot of of new names coming in. There's 413 00:22:11,933 --> 00:22:14,373 Speaker 3: kerschil Sykes Martin who's played a lot of rugby for 414 00:22:14,413 --> 00:22:18,533 Speaker 3: the Crusaders, already gets his first contract, Antonio Shelfun, Fletcher Anderson, 415 00:22:18,613 --> 00:22:21,173 Speaker 3: all of debut for the Crusaders before. The ones that 416 00:22:21,293 --> 00:22:23,813 Speaker 3: stand out for me a couple of the new faces 417 00:22:24,693 --> 00:22:28,573 Speaker 3: who have played under twenties, like the Xavier Sipher Louis 418 00:22:28,613 --> 00:22:32,213 Speaker 3: from wikatsu Aki Toevolala from Miakotzo. A couple of young, 419 00:22:32,293 --> 00:22:36,213 Speaker 3: really promising players. They've now Kyle Preston from Wellington as well, 420 00:22:36,213 --> 00:22:39,093 Speaker 3: who had a really good m PC season as their 421 00:22:39,293 --> 00:22:41,453 Speaker 3: half back, so standing up for them. 422 00:22:41,493 --> 00:22:43,053 Speaker 7: The one that sort of got under the radar is. 423 00:22:43,053 --> 00:22:46,653 Speaker 3: All Blacks fifteen hooker and according to the All Blacks 424 00:22:46,693 --> 00:22:51,013 Speaker 3: last week Brody McAllister switching from the Crusaders to the Chiefs. 425 00:22:51,293 --> 00:22:52,333 Speaker 7: Don't think then he expected that. 426 00:22:52,493 --> 00:22:54,333 Speaker 3: I guess there was a bit of logjam George Bell 427 00:22:54,773 --> 00:22:57,813 Speaker 3: Body Taylor at the Crusaders questions about how much game 428 00:22:57,853 --> 00:23:00,013 Speaker 3: time he get next year. I suppose he goes up 429 00:23:00,053 --> 00:23:03,253 Speaker 3: to the Chiefs and he's going to be playing a 430 00:23:03,253 --> 00:23:06,933 Speaker 3: fit again. SAMASONI Takah Bradley Slay sag to me buying 431 00:23:06,973 --> 00:23:10,293 Speaker 3: against those two for a selection. But they're now without 432 00:23:10,333 --> 00:23:14,333 Speaker 3: Tyrone Thompson who's gone abroad to play NRL. So that's 433 00:23:14,413 --> 00:23:16,693 Speaker 3: a sneaky we move. But as you say, not that 434 00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:19,053 Speaker 3: the days of the old sub rugby squads we did 435 00:23:19,093 --> 00:23:26,133 Speaker 3: see unheralded players and unexpected signings across the country. 436 00:23:26,333 --> 00:23:30,573 Speaker 5: No, we don't see that these days do But might 437 00:23:30,653 --> 00:23:33,653 Speaker 5: have to have a word with Preston. He had a 438 00:23:33,653 --> 00:23:35,613 Speaker 5: great year for Wellington and it's got to be sacrilege, 439 00:23:35,653 --> 00:23:39,773 Speaker 5: doesn't it go from the Capitol to christ Church. Can't 440 00:23:39,773 --> 00:23:41,813 Speaker 5: sign that one up, so sign that one off. So 441 00:23:41,893 --> 00:23:46,853 Speaker 5: good pick up for the Crusaders. But do you see 442 00:23:47,333 --> 00:23:51,173 Speaker 5: that landscape being shaked up? Shaked up much after what 443 00:23:51,213 --> 00:23:52,013 Speaker 5: happened last year? 444 00:23:52,333 --> 00:23:54,973 Speaker 3: I think the power base of super Roby will remain 445 00:23:55,173 --> 00:23:56,573 Speaker 3: in the top half of the North Fire. I'm just 446 00:23:56,613 --> 00:24:00,373 Speaker 3: looking at the squads. Auckland very very settled with the 447 00:24:00,493 --> 00:24:03,453 Speaker 3: names that they have got, the lot of the championship 448 00:24:03,453 --> 00:24:06,693 Speaker 3: winning team back again. The Chiefs, who were runners up, 449 00:24:06,733 --> 00:24:09,493 Speaker 3: of course, have got a lot of players as the Hurricanes, 450 00:24:09,533 --> 00:24:13,773 Speaker 3: as you touched on, relatively unsettled with the players that 451 00:24:13,853 --> 00:24:18,933 Speaker 3: have departed from their camp, so a big loss for them. 452 00:24:19,053 --> 00:24:23,053 Speaker 3: The Highlanders, I look at that and go, perhaps not 453 00:24:23,293 --> 00:24:27,053 Speaker 3: enough change. There's a few new players in there. They've 454 00:24:27,093 --> 00:24:30,733 Speaker 3: got Taylor Pungy Toll out of the Blues. You know, 455 00:24:30,813 --> 00:24:33,653 Speaker 3: Van Hurley gets his first contract couple of out of 456 00:24:33,693 --> 00:24:37,013 Speaker 3: the Bay of Plenty as well. I would have liked 457 00:24:37,013 --> 00:24:39,333 Speaker 3: to do and pledge your young New Zealand and twenties 458 00:24:39,333 --> 00:24:40,893 Speaker 3: half bet get a run, but he's not in the 459 00:24:40,933 --> 00:24:43,573 Speaker 3: mix for them there, so maybe a little bit more 460 00:24:43,613 --> 00:24:46,893 Speaker 3: needed to change there. And Mowana, you know, the standout 461 00:24:46,893 --> 00:24:50,053 Speaker 3: signing for them is obviously Ardie Savia coming in and 462 00:24:51,093 --> 00:24:52,133 Speaker 3: taking the chocolates there. 463 00:24:52,173 --> 00:24:54,453 Speaker 7: So hard to see too much of a shake up. 464 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:58,093 Speaker 5: What so you yeah, I think it's the Blues and 465 00:24:58,173 --> 00:25:01,373 Speaker 5: Chiefs are still very stacked aren't they. You might I'd 466 00:25:01,373 --> 00:25:06,493 Speaker 5: expect advancedly improve performance from the Crusaders that have a 467 00:25:06,493 --> 00:25:10,493 Speaker 5: lot to prove under they're they're great mentor Rob Penny, 468 00:25:10,973 --> 00:25:13,893 Speaker 5: But no, I think it will be the traditional powers, 469 00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:16,773 Speaker 5: maybe with the Hurricanes coming back to the pack a 470 00:25:16,813 --> 00:25:19,773 Speaker 5: little bit with those outs. But as you mentioned, there's 471 00:25:20,293 --> 00:25:23,213 Speaker 5: Jamie Joseph coming into the Hondas. It's going to be 472 00:25:23,853 --> 00:25:26,813 Speaker 5: a pretty tough slog for him. He's got some some 473 00:25:26,893 --> 00:25:29,293 Speaker 5: good young talent. He'll be leaning on the likes of 474 00:25:29,333 --> 00:25:32,493 Speaker 5: Fabian Holland. So good to see him get called into 475 00:25:32,493 --> 00:25:34,453 Speaker 5: the All Blacks last week after starring for the All 476 00:25:34,453 --> 00:25:40,853 Speaker 5: Blacks fifteen. But not too many headline recruits for the Landers, unfortunately. 477 00:25:41,093 --> 00:25:42,213 Speaker 7: No, unfortunately not. 478 00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,853 Speaker 3: Let's take a quick break here on Rugby Direct gets 479 00:25:45,013 --> 00:25:47,613 Speaker 3: back into our final four after this. 480 00:25:47,613 --> 00:25:52,173 Speaker 2: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fairs. 481 00:25:57,213 --> 00:25:59,573 Speaker 1: Rugby Direct, how would Buddies Talks be? 482 00:26:00,333 --> 00:26:03,133 Speaker 3: You're back with Rugby Direct. Time now for the final 483 00:26:03,173 --> 00:26:05,893 Speaker 3: four on the podcast. Let's dig into it. Lim you 484 00:26:06,253 --> 00:26:09,333 Speaker 3: support some of the changes, hopefully all excite for Paris 485 00:26:09,373 --> 00:26:12,533 Speaker 3: this week. We heard earlier today Sam Came Matt Talia 486 00:26:12,973 --> 00:26:16,773 Speaker 3: both ruled out with injury. You gave the thought that 487 00:26:16,853 --> 00:26:21,253 Speaker 3: maybe Adi Savi goes to seven female at blindside and 488 00:26:21,253 --> 00:26:23,213 Speaker 3: Stiti at eight. 489 00:26:24,813 --> 00:26:26,413 Speaker 7: Do you see any other possibilities? 490 00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:29,013 Speaker 3: I guess they could go to Provi on the blind 491 00:26:29,093 --> 00:26:32,613 Speaker 3: side potentially, or maybe keeps the td A blindside, Peter 492 00:26:32,693 --> 00:26:37,013 Speaker 3: luck Eye open side severe at number eight. Well. 493 00:26:37,133 --> 00:26:39,453 Speaker 5: Very interested to see how that loose board trio shakes 494 00:26:39,493 --> 00:26:41,933 Speaker 5: down Elliott because that is going to be a peek 495 00:26:41,973 --> 00:26:46,253 Speaker 5: into the future. Not too sure whether Sam Came will return, 496 00:26:46,413 --> 00:26:50,133 Speaker 5: perhaps for the final tour match against Italy, a bit 497 00:26:50,133 --> 00:26:53,973 Speaker 5: of a sendoff that would be for him, but very 498 00:26:54,053 --> 00:26:56,933 Speaker 5: much a peek into the future this week if they 499 00:26:56,973 --> 00:26:59,533 Speaker 5: do go Sitsi at eight, and I'd love to see 500 00:26:59,573 --> 00:27:03,293 Speaker 5: it because you've been calling for it all year. Some 501 00:27:03,453 --> 00:27:06,893 Speaker 5: open he's been coming off the bench. I think he's 502 00:27:06,893 --> 00:27:09,693 Speaker 5: deserving of a start at blind side. He's been in 503 00:27:09,733 --> 00:27:13,573 Speaker 5: that tour squad since Japan. So interesting to see which 504 00:27:13,613 --> 00:27:15,973 Speaker 5: way they go there and the makeup of the bench. 505 00:27:17,173 --> 00:27:21,733 Speaker 5: Maybe they bring carefe in, maybe they promote Peter Lukeye. 506 00:27:22,293 --> 00:27:26,333 Speaker 5: Not too sure what about in the back line and 507 00:27:26,733 --> 00:27:28,693 Speaker 5: Ethan de Grew as well, he's been out in the 508 00:27:28,693 --> 00:27:32,213 Speaker 5: cold since the off field issue that started the tour 509 00:27:32,253 --> 00:27:35,133 Speaker 5: when he was part of that advanced party that left 510 00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:38,293 Speaker 5: from Japan couldn't get a look in. Last week, Scott 511 00:27:38,373 --> 00:27:42,493 Speaker 5: Robertson said that was a performance issue with Mighty Williams 512 00:27:42,533 --> 00:27:45,373 Speaker 5: starting and offered to and it's fussy performing well off 513 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:49,813 Speaker 5: the bench. I think he posted something on Instagrams today 514 00:27:49,933 --> 00:27:54,053 Speaker 5: saying get better, not better. Do you see Big Ethan 515 00:27:54,133 --> 00:27:55,973 Speaker 5: getting another chance anytime soon? 516 00:27:56,333 --> 00:27:56,533 Speaker 7: Yeah? 517 00:27:56,573 --> 00:27:58,213 Speaker 3: I think I think I may have a look at 518 00:27:58,253 --> 00:28:01,093 Speaker 3: that switching those two around. Look, I wouldn't touch off 519 00:28:01,133 --> 00:28:02,773 Speaker 3: a tour a Fassi. I think he's been the unsung 520 00:28:02,813 --> 00:28:05,133 Speaker 3: hero for the All Blacks in that bench role, coming 521 00:28:05,213 --> 00:28:08,293 Speaker 3: in playing the last half hour or thereabouts of test matches, 522 00:28:08,573 --> 00:28:11,413 Speaker 3: so I'd stick with him. I think maybe this week 523 00:28:11,453 --> 00:28:14,573 Speaker 3: you go back to Groot having served his penance to 524 00:28:14,653 --> 00:28:16,893 Speaker 3: Mighty Williams, had a couple of good games without being 525 00:28:17,213 --> 00:28:22,333 Speaker 3: perhaps spectacular. The scrum has probably been a bit besa once. 526 00:28:22,413 --> 00:28:25,533 Speaker 3: The reserves have come on in the last couple of weeks, 527 00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:28,453 Speaker 3: so I'd be comfortable seeing de group maybe come back 528 00:28:28,493 --> 00:28:32,573 Speaker 3: in for this week. Right Wing seems pretty set up 529 00:28:32,573 --> 00:28:36,813 Speaker 3: for Sevu Reese to take that spot. You know, that 530 00:28:36,933 --> 00:28:40,653 Speaker 3: could maybe go a Reuben Love potentially, but I think 531 00:28:40,653 --> 00:28:43,293 Speaker 3: it's more out of the box. I mean lamb which 532 00:28:43,333 --> 00:28:45,453 Speaker 3: you are all that shaffie hockey coming straight back and 533 00:28:45,493 --> 00:28:46,813 Speaker 3: straight into the run on side. 534 00:28:47,933 --> 00:28:50,013 Speaker 6: Well, wow, Elliott. I think. 535 00:28:51,453 --> 00:28:53,813 Speaker 5: Chris Rass built up a bit of good will again, 536 00:28:53,853 --> 00:28:56,893 Speaker 5: hasn't he with the results on the field. But it's 537 00:28:56,973 --> 00:29:00,933 Speaker 5: fortunate because I think fee hockey selection he's in danger 538 00:29:00,933 --> 00:29:04,333 Speaker 5: of losing the room, to be honest, because for me 539 00:29:04,413 --> 00:29:07,653 Speaker 5: that just smacks of crusaders bias. There's been a number 540 00:29:07,653 --> 00:29:10,693 Speaker 5: of great performing outside backs and he's on a rugby 541 00:29:10,733 --> 00:29:13,333 Speaker 5: and when we discussed it earlier in the year, you 542 00:29:13,453 --> 00:29:15,373 Speaker 5: sort of fobbed it often. Yeah, you know, he's just 543 00:29:15,413 --> 00:29:17,693 Speaker 5: coming in to hold some tackle bags. It's not really 544 00:29:17,693 --> 00:29:20,053 Speaker 5: an indication of the pecking order. It doesn't mean a lot, 545 00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:23,333 Speaker 5: you know, money that I has got to play this 546 00:29:23,453 --> 00:29:27,093 Speaker 5: weekend or I can't remember the timing of the NPC's schedule. 547 00:29:27,133 --> 00:29:30,013 Speaker 5: But you're telling me not to read too much into 548 00:29:30,053 --> 00:29:32,653 Speaker 5: the selection. But here he is low and behold now 549 00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:37,333 Speaker 5: he's in the squads. What say you of free Harky's inclusion. 550 00:29:39,413 --> 00:29:42,933 Speaker 3: I think they're saying perhaps a little bit more from 551 00:29:42,973 --> 00:29:45,533 Speaker 3: feeharky than the general populace. 552 00:29:46,533 --> 00:29:49,093 Speaker 7: Look, I think he's a promising player. 553 00:29:49,133 --> 00:29:52,053 Speaker 3: Hasn't certainly got to the point that you'd say he's 554 00:29:52,093 --> 00:29:56,493 Speaker 3: ready to play test rugby. You look at that All 555 00:29:56,533 --> 00:30:00,293 Speaker 3: Blacks fifteen and probably didn't stand out too much of 556 00:30:00,293 --> 00:30:04,373 Speaker 3: the quintupliers. That a little bit of reinvention of himself. 557 00:30:04,373 --> 00:30:06,453 Speaker 3: He played a bit of wing on the weekend. Maybe 558 00:30:06,453 --> 00:30:08,693 Speaker 3: he could have looked at someone like him to come 559 00:30:08,693 --> 00:30:12,173 Speaker 3: into the mix as well. Yeah, it's an interesting one. Look, 560 00:30:12,173 --> 00:30:16,173 Speaker 3: I don't know that he'd be the player I call 561 00:30:16,213 --> 00:30:19,453 Speaker 3: him next, But you know, Razer, as you said, has 562 00:30:19,493 --> 00:30:21,973 Speaker 3: got some good will at the moment, and everything he's 563 00:30:22,013 --> 00:30:24,573 Speaker 3: touched at the moment is turning to gold. So maybe 564 00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:26,853 Speaker 3: fie Hacke's points for a breakout game at Start de 565 00:30:26,853 --> 00:30:30,373 Speaker 3: France and you'll be using your words next week on 566 00:30:30,413 --> 00:30:31,093 Speaker 3: the podcast. 567 00:30:32,093 --> 00:30:34,813 Speaker 5: Well yeah, let's see, look what one position we haven't 568 00:30:34,853 --> 00:30:38,853 Speaker 5: touched on here. Damien McKenzie obviously came in and really 569 00:30:39,293 --> 00:30:43,293 Speaker 5: his best test performance at ten in his career by 570 00:30:43,693 --> 00:30:44,613 Speaker 5: quite some distance. 571 00:30:44,933 --> 00:30:47,733 Speaker 6: Boden Barrett seems like. 572 00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:50,693 Speaker 5: Likely to be available this week, So who starts at ten? 573 00:30:51,773 --> 00:30:52,893 Speaker 7: I think Boden Barrett. 574 00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:56,973 Speaker 3: It's still shaped though a guy and with prior to 575 00:30:57,013 --> 00:31:00,653 Speaker 3: that Test match, Damien McKenzie was excellent, kept the majority 576 00:31:00,693 --> 00:31:03,173 Speaker 3: of his goals, lead the team around the park really 577 00:31:03,173 --> 00:31:05,533 Speaker 3: really well. As you say, it was mature as sure 578 00:31:05,613 --> 00:31:09,093 Speaker 3: performance from Damien McKenzie. But they made that switch for 579 00:31:09,133 --> 00:31:11,253 Speaker 3: a reason to put Boden Barrett there. What I think 580 00:31:11,253 --> 00:31:14,533 Speaker 3: you've done now is just given McKenzie that confidence to 581 00:31:14,813 --> 00:31:16,893 Speaker 3: close out test matches like that. 582 00:31:17,493 --> 00:31:19,253 Speaker 7: I'd be reverting back to Boden Barrett. 583 00:31:20,493 --> 00:31:21,333 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so too. 584 00:31:21,373 --> 00:31:25,573 Speaker 5: I think Boden wasn't dropped for performance reasons, so. 585 00:31:26,933 --> 00:31:28,733 Speaker 6: You'd go back to them based on that. 586 00:31:29,293 --> 00:31:31,293 Speaker 5: And if you do go back to Boden this week, 587 00:31:31,333 --> 00:31:34,653 Speaker 5: then you could start McKenzie the following week against Italy 588 00:31:34,773 --> 00:31:37,733 Speaker 5: and then they've each had a crack Kevin made with 589 00:31:37,893 --> 00:31:42,493 Speaker 5: McKenzie starting against Japan, Boden against England's McKenzie against Ireland 590 00:31:42,973 --> 00:31:46,293 Speaker 5: potentially voting against France, and McKenzie against Italy. So it 591 00:31:46,413 --> 00:31:49,653 Speaker 5: gives them both some real time in the settle and 592 00:31:50,373 --> 00:31:52,853 Speaker 5: that's that's quite a nice way to manage it. 593 00:31:53,013 --> 00:31:55,533 Speaker 6: So interesting to see watch way they go. 594 00:31:56,773 --> 00:31:59,453 Speaker 3: So should Warren Gatland be sent packing as well as 595 00:31:59,493 --> 00:32:02,973 Speaker 3: coach ten straight defeats from the Men from the Valleys. 596 00:32:03,213 --> 00:32:05,973 Speaker 3: There's a time for Warren Ball to be sent to 597 00:32:06,013 --> 00:32:06,653 Speaker 3: the graveyard. 598 00:32:08,333 --> 00:32:10,493 Speaker 5: I wouldn't have hired Warren in the first place, Elliott, 599 00:32:10,533 --> 00:32:13,773 Speaker 5: based on a number of different reasons. I think you 600 00:32:13,813 --> 00:32:15,853 Speaker 5: and I are both on the same page that I 601 00:32:15,853 --> 00:32:19,853 Speaker 5: think the Games moved on from Warren he went back. 602 00:32:20,413 --> 00:32:23,533 Speaker 5: I think it was a bad decision. You know, he 603 00:32:24,053 --> 00:32:28,053 Speaker 5: had established a very good legacy with Wales. The one 604 00:32:28,053 --> 00:32:30,373 Speaker 5: thing I would say is the game in Wales is 605 00:32:30,373 --> 00:32:35,453 Speaker 5: a number of challenges. Financially they're trying to rebuild their 606 00:32:35,493 --> 00:32:36,693 Speaker 5: depth as well. 607 00:32:36,853 --> 00:32:41,733 Speaker 6: But yeah, this was a bad loss at home for Wales. 608 00:32:42,213 --> 00:32:44,093 Speaker 5: I think it was their first time losing the Fiji 609 00:32:44,133 --> 00:32:45,973 Speaker 5: in twenty thirty years. 610 00:32:46,373 --> 00:32:47,973 Speaker 6: It was a different Fiji inside. 611 00:32:47,973 --> 00:32:50,773 Speaker 5: They got the use of the European bass players who 612 00:32:51,653 --> 00:32:54,213 Speaker 5: made a big impact in their performance, but they also 613 00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:59,893 Speaker 5: had a number of cards Fiji, so Wales couldn't exploit that. 614 00:33:00,133 --> 00:33:05,253 Speaker 5: They made a bizarre selection change with putting a half 615 00:33:05,293 --> 00:33:08,093 Speaker 5: back to the wing and that sort of backside for 616 00:33:08,133 --> 00:33:12,053 Speaker 5: them as well. So not great tactically in the coaching box. 617 00:33:12,093 --> 00:33:15,693 Speaker 5: I'm not sure quite what happened there but Warren under 618 00:33:15,733 --> 00:33:19,613 Speaker 5: massiveppreciate ten straight losses and it doesn't get any easier 619 00:33:19,653 --> 00:33:26,613 Speaker 5: for them this week, so he will be very grumpy Gatsats. 620 00:33:27,333 --> 00:33:30,413 Speaker 3: I would stick with him on the basis that I 621 00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:32,253 Speaker 3: don't think they can afford to pay him out. As 622 00:33:32,293 --> 00:33:35,653 Speaker 3: you said, major challenges for Wales rugby at the moment. 623 00:33:35,693 --> 00:33:40,173 Speaker 3: There are some promising young players, but I don't think 624 00:33:40,173 --> 00:33:43,773 Speaker 3: this generation is going to go to the promised Land. 625 00:33:43,853 --> 00:33:45,973 Speaker 3: I don't know that Warren Gatland is the man to 626 00:33:46,053 --> 00:33:49,413 Speaker 3: lead them there, but I think by turfing him now, 627 00:33:49,453 --> 00:33:51,453 Speaker 3: I'm not sure who you'd go to on the market. 628 00:33:51,493 --> 00:33:55,133 Speaker 3: Maybe Elam McDonald or someone like that, but you know 629 00:33:55,173 --> 00:33:57,653 Speaker 3: they're few and far between, and I don't know that 630 00:33:57,653 --> 00:34:00,893 Speaker 3: it's worth the pain of paying out Warren Gatland for 631 00:34:01,253 --> 00:34:03,813 Speaker 3: what you get in in return having to start from scratch, 632 00:34:03,853 --> 00:34:06,333 Speaker 3: So I think they're stuck with him for better or worse, 633 00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:09,093 Speaker 3: and at this point it will like it's going to 634 00:34:09,133 --> 00:34:11,493 Speaker 3: be worse, and you know, God for bid, tails up 635 00:34:11,493 --> 00:34:14,653 Speaker 3: Wallaby Side heading to Cardiff this week could be very 636 00:34:14,933 --> 00:34:16,373 Speaker 3: very interesting. 637 00:34:16,533 --> 00:34:18,693 Speaker 7: Based on squads alone. 638 00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:21,253 Speaker 3: Give me the finishing order of the New Zealand Super 639 00:34:21,453 --> 00:34:24,133 Speaker 3: Besides for twenty twenty five, Liam and we're going to 640 00:34:24,173 --> 00:34:25,533 Speaker 3: include Mowanna and there as well, so. 641 00:34:25,653 --> 00:34:29,613 Speaker 5: Six all right, we're going Blues to go back to 642 00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:34,053 Speaker 5: back Elliots. The Chiefs number two a bit of a 643 00:34:34,133 --> 00:34:37,333 Speaker 5: heart prediction here with the Canes coming on at three. 644 00:34:37,653 --> 00:34:40,333 Speaker 5: I did have your Crusaders last, but I've decided to 645 00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:45,293 Speaker 5: bump them up a couple of spots to four, Landers 646 00:34:45,373 --> 00:34:49,333 Speaker 5: and fifth and Mowana's a round out. That's New Zealand 647 00:34:49,413 --> 00:34:50,413 Speaker 5: top six Elliotts. 648 00:34:51,613 --> 00:34:55,933 Speaker 3: My top two is the same Blues and Chiefs Crusaders' thirds. 649 00:34:55,933 --> 00:35:00,133 Speaker 3: They're coming back. I like the stability. Rob Penny will 650 00:35:00,133 --> 00:35:03,933 Speaker 3: have learned a lot from the first season. Canes in fourth, 651 00:35:04,013 --> 00:35:07,133 Speaker 3: I think losing the best player in their Ford's best 652 00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:09,693 Speaker 3: player in their backs is a big blow for them, 653 00:35:09,773 --> 00:35:12,893 Speaker 3: as well as not having perhaps the first choice ten. Evidently, 654 00:35:15,693 --> 00:35:17,973 Speaker 3: I'm going Malwana in fifth. I think they'll get a 655 00:35:18,013 --> 00:35:20,653 Speaker 3: bit of a bump from Marty and then I'm going 656 00:35:20,693 --> 00:35:23,653 Speaker 3: to Highlanders in sixth to have a tough year of 657 00:35:23,653 --> 00:35:26,373 Speaker 3: it once again. Unfortunately for our friends in the South. 658 00:35:26,653 --> 00:35:29,293 Speaker 3: Jamie Joseph will do some things good for them, but 659 00:35:30,373 --> 00:35:32,093 Speaker 3: there's only so much I think you can ring out 660 00:35:32,093 --> 00:35:35,733 Speaker 3: of that squad. In a final topic in the final four, 661 00:35:35,773 --> 00:35:39,293 Speaker 3: who wins the remainder of the fixtures this weekend? Let's 662 00:35:39,373 --> 00:35:43,573 Speaker 3: run through them. Liam Island Argentina Friday night local time 663 00:35:43,613 --> 00:35:44,133 Speaker 3: in Dublin. 664 00:35:45,733 --> 00:35:48,573 Speaker 5: You know what, earlier, I'm gonna normally go with the faves. 665 00:35:48,613 --> 00:35:50,613 Speaker 5: It's I get a lot of stick for that with 666 00:35:50,733 --> 00:35:53,253 Speaker 5: the mateset, so when it comes to punting, so I'm 667 00:35:53,293 --> 00:35:54,853 Speaker 5: gonna go a bit of an upset here. I think 668 00:35:54,853 --> 00:35:58,773 Speaker 5: the Pumas they'll strike Island at a good time. Island 669 00:35:58,853 --> 00:36:02,133 Speaker 5: still number of injuries in their front row, so a 670 00:36:02,173 --> 00:36:04,173 Speaker 5: big up step for the Pumas on the way. 671 00:36:04,973 --> 00:36:07,253 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to say that the Irish bounce back 672 00:36:07,293 --> 00:36:13,533 Speaker 3: this week Scotland and Portugal at murray Field Saturday afternoon 673 00:36:13,573 --> 00:36:14,213 Speaker 3: local time. 674 00:36:14,653 --> 00:36:18,413 Speaker 7: To Portugal pull off a big old upset. 675 00:36:19,493 --> 00:36:20,133 Speaker 6: No they do not. 676 00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:23,613 Speaker 5: But it is good to see them getting some proper fixtures, 677 00:36:23,653 --> 00:36:27,053 Speaker 5: isn't it. They've been a big mover in recent years, 678 00:36:27,813 --> 00:36:31,013 Speaker 5: so great to see them playing top ten nations and 679 00:36:31,013 --> 00:36:34,493 Speaker 5: getting that exposure that I guess ted two nations need. 680 00:36:35,493 --> 00:36:38,093 Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't see that happening either. 681 00:36:38,413 --> 00:36:45,373 Speaker 3: England South Africa Twickenham, Saturday afternoon. Do England's troubles continue 682 00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:48,253 Speaker 3: or can they land a blow on the World champions. 683 00:36:49,573 --> 00:36:53,293 Speaker 5: The box wore further heat misery on Stee Both books 684 00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:57,453 Speaker 5: England and it's amazing how the complexion of the English 685 00:36:57,493 --> 00:36:59,533 Speaker 5: has changed, isn't it. They came out here in July 686 00:36:59,653 --> 00:37:02,653 Speaker 5: and could a water should have beaten the All Blacks. 687 00:37:02,933 --> 00:37:06,653 Speaker 5: A couple of coaching changes, a couple of blowouts in 688 00:37:07,133 --> 00:37:10,293 Speaker 5: the final moments of tests against the Wallabies and the 689 00:37:10,333 --> 00:37:12,533 Speaker 5: All Blacks, and they could be zero to three to 690 00:37:12,613 --> 00:37:14,533 Speaker 5: start their Northern tour. 691 00:37:15,693 --> 00:37:18,013 Speaker 7: I reckon South Africa when just give us the aid 692 00:37:18,053 --> 00:37:18,813 Speaker 7: and o bench us. See. 693 00:37:18,853 --> 00:37:20,693 Speaker 3: I know you want to do it. I know you 694 00:37:20,693 --> 00:37:22,013 Speaker 3: want to do it. Just go out this week you 695 00:37:22,013 --> 00:37:27,213 Speaker 3: can give it eight and no why not? Italy Georgia 696 00:37:27,493 --> 00:37:32,373 Speaker 3: on Sunday afternoon here in Europe. Interesting one. Italy were 697 00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:36,413 Speaker 3: very poor against Argentina. Georgia battle hardened a bit by 698 00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:37,653 Speaker 3: playing the All Blacks fifteen. 699 00:37:39,253 --> 00:37:39,853 Speaker 7: What do you reckon? 700 00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:44,693 Speaker 5: Yeah, that match against for Georgia should help them. But look, 701 00:37:44,733 --> 00:37:48,493 Speaker 5: I think the Italians will bounce back. My homelands don't 702 00:37:48,653 --> 00:37:53,453 Speaker 5: know too much French Elliott, but the Italian's strong, so look, 703 00:37:53,533 --> 00:37:56,493 Speaker 5: they'll they'll they'll do it my homeland, all right. 704 00:37:56,613 --> 00:38:01,333 Speaker 3: And final topic or final game rather wells Australia in 705 00:38:01,573 --> 00:38:05,853 Speaker 3: Cardiff the final game of the autumnation series round. Does 706 00:38:05,933 --> 00:38:09,053 Speaker 3: Australia's quest for a Grand Slam roman on track? Or 707 00:38:09,133 --> 00:38:11,973 Speaker 3: does Gats stop the rot at ten. 708 00:38:13,573 --> 00:38:15,813 Speaker 5: So you can't go past the Wallaby's they'll ride that 709 00:38:15,933 --> 00:38:19,413 Speaker 5: high from talking them all the way down the m 710 00:38:19,453 --> 00:38:20,333 Speaker 5: one and. 711 00:38:21,293 --> 00:38:23,373 Speaker 6: It gets under under pressure Earliot. 712 00:38:23,733 --> 00:38:25,573 Speaker 3: As long as I haven't been riding that high too much. 713 00:38:25,693 --> 00:38:27,773 Speaker 3: That is the one thing I do worry about the way. 714 00:38:27,773 --> 00:38:31,333 Speaker 3: Who's backing it up? You know what I'm going to say, 715 00:38:31,373 --> 00:38:35,453 Speaker 3: Wales will get the win over Australia, because who doesn't 716 00:38:35,453 --> 00:38:38,173 Speaker 3: love a contrast of beating England at Twickenham then losing 717 00:38:38,653 --> 00:38:39,613 Speaker 3: to god. 718 00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:40,853 Speaker 7: Or for Wales side a week later. 719 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:46,493 Speaker 3: That'll do us for rugby directs from Paris for another week. 720 00:38:46,573 --> 00:38:50,093 Speaker 3: We will catch you again in seven days or thereabouts. 721 00:38:50,093 --> 00:38:53,453 Speaker 3: Time is the All Blacks contemplate their final match of 722 00:38:53,653 --> 00:38:56,333 Speaker 3: the year. Lim It's been a pleasure as always. 723 00:38:56,573 --> 00:38:58,733 Speaker 5: It is indeed, Ellie, enjoy your week in Paris, and 724 00:38:58,813 --> 00:39:00,893 Speaker 5: just remember it's Boni, not Boni. 725 00:39:01,413 --> 00:39:04,053 Speaker 7: I say that I'm in strife. We will catch you 726 00:39:04,093 --> 00:39:05,053 Speaker 7: next week here a. 727 00:39:05,133 --> 00:39:07,973 Speaker 3: Rugby Directs are powered by our good friends and access 728 00:39:08,013 --> 00:39:10,373 Speaker 3: to Lose is elevating you and your business to a 729 00:39:10,533 --> 00:39:11,133 Speaker 3: higher level. 730 00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:18,173 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk st B, listen live on 731 00:39:18,253 --> 00:39:21,253 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 732 00:39:21,293 --> 00:39:23,853 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio