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Speaker 1: Ever, duplicy Ellen either nobody in the West is prepared

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Speaker 1: to put soldiers into Ukraine. They spout that Ukraine is important,

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Speaker 1: but their populations won't support deployment of their armies in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Go figure. I mean, that's the reality of the situation,

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Speaker 1: isn't it? Nineteen past five? Now it turns out, anecdotally,

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Speaker 1: at least Northern retailers are not reporting shoplifting to cops.

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Speaker 1: The revelation cropped up over a series of meetings with

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Speaker 1: small business owners around the region in the past week.

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Speaker 1: Leah macerro is North Chambers chief executive and with us

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Speaker 1: Hileann Kira, how are you? I'm well, thank you. Was

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Speaker 1: it a lot of these retailers saying it or just

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Speaker 1: a few?

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Speaker 2: There already seemed to be a very common theme that

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Speaker 2: people felt there was no point for them to report

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Speaker 2: to the crime because they didn't get any response back.

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Speaker 2: So that seemed to be quite common amongst all of

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Speaker 2: the Northland areas that we visited.

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Speaker 1: And so why are they doing it? Is it because

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Speaker 1: they don't believe the police are interested and police just

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Speaker 1: don't turn up.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's not so much the fact that

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Speaker 2: the police are not interested. I think that definitely are.

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Speaker 2: It all comes down to resourcing, of course, and whether

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Speaker 2: the police can in a timely manner respond to the

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Speaker 2: to the retailer's request their or their report that there

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Speaker 2: has been shoplifting. But most often I think the retailers said, look,

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Speaker 2: you know, if it was a small crime of somebody

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Speaker 2: who was just picking something up and it wasn't a

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Speaker 2: high value, they felt that the police wouldn't respond and

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Speaker 2: therefore wouldn't be interested. And that's actually incorrect because while

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Speaker 2: they may not be able to respond quickly or respond

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Speaker 2: in person, the fact is that the data goes into

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Speaker 2: the system, and when the data is in the system,

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Speaker 2: we can see the patterns of behavior. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's probably what's driving the I guess the reticence.

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Speaker 1: But so what you're saytail is what you're saying is

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Speaker 1: leet don't. You're not saying report it because the police

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Speaker 1: are going to come and solve your shoplifting. You're saying

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Speaker 1: report it because once they get a whole bunch of intelligence,

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Speaker 1: they may solve other shoplifting. We'll take a look in

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Speaker 1: the mix.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and it's the patterns of behavior that they

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Speaker 2: need to look at and while each incidence in its

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Speaker 2: own right feels small, collectively we get it starting to

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Speaker 2: get a pattern and you know, as the police are explaining,

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Speaker 2: sometimes these are fairly sophisticated people stealing and it's not

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Speaker 2: just the one off. But without that information they can't

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Speaker 2: actually see that.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Hayley, and thanks so much. Look after yourself.

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Speaker 1: Leah mccarro, Chief executive of North Chamber. For more from

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