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Speaker 1: Get a It's Jerry here from the Headache Briecklist, just

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Speaker 1: And now let's get on with the podcast. Welcome along

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Speaker 1: to the podcast, Friday the third of October twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: What was your favorite part about the radio show today?

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Speaker 2: Jerry, Oh, so many things.

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Speaker 1: I love the way that we had a nice, broad

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Speaker 1: easy max of sport news and stories about our own lives.

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Speaker 3: You know what you did love, Jerry actually talking to

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Speaker 3: Britt Comorley about the NRL you loved has Brick Kimorley

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Speaker 3: Kimali evenly balanced with the unders appointment of g Lane.

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Speaker 3: But I believe it's time on the podcast today to

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Speaker 3: call Terada.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: He's got a book out called Kiwi Country, Rural New

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Speaker 1: Zealand and one hundred Objects.

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea for a book. I want to know.

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Speaker 3: One of my questions for him is going to be.

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Speaker 3: How Like when that came to him, he must have

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Speaker 3: just been like, yep, book go.

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Speaker 2: This is the idea here.

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Speaker 1: I suspect it's an idea he's been working on for

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Speaker 1: Sometimes she'd give him a call.

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Speaker 3: I think we should more fun than you can shake

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Speaker 3: a sharing shit at the riots, romp through rural.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, interesting parts of time of the book.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Tarada, Good morning, Hi.

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Speaker 2: Manaiah and Jerry here.

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Speaker 4: How are you Very good, gentlemen, very good Rada.

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Speaker 2: We have called you live on our podcast.

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Speaker 4: This is excellent news and I can report that at

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Speaker 4: this exact moment here in christ Church, it's a beautiful day.

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Speaker 2: It's great news. It's lovely to hear that country.

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Speaker 3: It's not We've got each a copy of your book

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Speaker 3: in front of us.

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Speaker 4: Here we do the publishers throwing them around. Willy Nelly

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Speaker 4: will have help you to share.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a couple of giveaway. I want to say,

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Speaker 3: first off, I don't judge a book by a cover,

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Speaker 3: but I will judge a book by its smell. And

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Speaker 3: your book smells delightful.

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Speaker 4: Oh look, that pleases me greatly because one of the

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Speaker 4: things I do with joy is that new book smell. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to be honest, it was literally the

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Speaker 4: first thing I did when they turned up in the

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Speaker 4: post the other day. I flicked it open, and I

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Speaker 4: got a little straighter. I actually buried my nose in

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Speaker 4: the box.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, can you imagine writing a book and going to

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Speaker 1: all that if at thousands and thousands of words, hundreds

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Speaker 4: Just immediately upset you, you know, And well bo is

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Speaker 4: one of those things though, wasn't it. You know, each

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Speaker 4: smells rerisen differently actually, and I did hear women who

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Speaker 1: Well, I know that smell is a huge part of

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Speaker 2: It's quite a week. That is such a weird thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and one hundred Objects, I was just saying to Jerry

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Speaker 3: When it came to you, did you just click immediately

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Speaker 4: Look going to take credit for it. It was initially

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking at smoker. There's obviously there's the obvious

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Speaker 4: there would be something like twelve recipes for scones because

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure that people would have gone through and

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Speaker 2: Right when I was.

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Speaker 1: Fucking through, I got to the paddock section, which is

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Speaker 1: chapter two, and something that struck me as unusual and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting was the flax fiber skateboard. Yeah, tell

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Speaker 1: me about the flax fiber skateboard. Why would that be

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Speaker 3: This seems like one of those books where you have

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Speaker 4: Look we both Ruth and I were brought up with

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Speaker 4: Lance and Goo, did you know it's a flax industry

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Speaker 1: We're talking to today are about his book Kiwi Country,

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Speaker 1: Rural New Zealand and one hundred objects. We're going to

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask to Radar, how he can justify

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Speaker 1: taking a complete swipe at one of New Zealand's.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Todeda about his book KEEI Country, Rural

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Speaker 1: New Zealand and one hundred objects. And this is going

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Speaker 1: to upset people who are huge fans of See Edmundhillary

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Speaker 1: and I feel like you're running him down. The Hillary

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Speaker 1: family will be upset about this, referring to his downstairs

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Speaker 1: operation in this way, Edmund Hillary's b smoker. A. What

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Speaker 1: was it about Edmund Hillary's b smoker that you were

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Speaker 4: Look, the reason Hillary could do what he did was

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Speaker 4: He simply picked it up and very carefully walked at

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Speaker 4: I think there are some some caterpillar crawlers and the

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Speaker 3: Was the idea that we were going to deploy those

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Speaker 4: Look, it was a brilliant idea, you know, because a

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Speaker 3: All yeah, well, I just can't imagine that struck much

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Speaker 4: Oh, come on, I reckon. They had been a fleet

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Speaker 4: my dad. But we when we're filming to radios, Shi

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Speaker 1: So rural New Zealand and one one hundred objects. Obviously

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Speaker 4: Oh, look at any number of them. There was a

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Speaker 4: And if people haven't seen some of these machines, they

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Speaker 1: The book's called Kiwi Country Rural New Zealand and one

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Speaker 1: hundred objects. If you read this book, you'll become a

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Speaker 1: a couple of facts on it radar. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Always lovely to chat.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Thanks mate, good on your radar.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: I do appreciate it. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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Speaker 4: Are we Thursday?

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Speaker 2: Thursday when you don't know what data is?

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Speaker 4: I like that always.

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Speaker 2: God take you all right, married and see you.

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