1
00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

2
00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:13,413
Speaker 1: from News Talks that Be Google.

3
00:00:13,493 --> 00:00:15,653
Speaker 2: Someone from Umbrella Well Being is here with us this

4
00:00:15,773 --> 00:00:18,813
Speaker 2: morning with some really interesting research into the benefits of

5
00:00:18,933 --> 00:00:21,493
Speaker 2: getting outside with nature. Doesn't have to be with sloths

6
00:00:21,493 --> 00:00:23,573
Speaker 2: and two gardens and in the ocean or anything like that. No,

7
00:00:23,653 --> 00:00:26,013
Speaker 2: it can just be somewhere nice and simple. And here's

8
00:00:26,013 --> 00:00:30,293
Speaker 2: the thing, it's not physical benefits we're talking about this morning, Google.

9
00:00:30,613 --> 00:00:32,853
Speaker 2: There are obvious kinds of physical benefits, but actually a

10
00:00:32,853 --> 00:00:36,373
Speaker 2: lot of recent research talks about the mental health benefits

11
00:00:36,533 --> 00:00:37,893
Speaker 2: with being connected to nature.

12
00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:40,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, cure Jackets.

13
00:00:40,893 --> 00:00:44,133
Speaker 4: It's you sound like you and the family are doing

14
00:00:44,173 --> 00:00:46,893
Speaker 4: your your bit to really improve your mental health by

15
00:00:46,893 --> 00:00:49,253
Speaker 4: getting out and about I'm.

16
00:00:49,173 --> 00:00:53,413
Speaker 2: Improving, I'm improving my wife's necessarily. Yeah, it's a start

17
00:00:53,533 --> 00:00:54,013
Speaker 2: this morning.

18
00:00:54,613 --> 00:00:57,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit of trauma perhaps, but you know,

19
00:00:57,093 --> 00:00:59,373
Speaker 4: that's that's all right. I could recommend a good psychologist

20
00:00:59,453 --> 00:01:00,893
Speaker 4: in the future if you ever need one.

21
00:01:01,013 --> 00:01:04,653
Speaker 2: So it was just such an amatur It's such an

22
00:01:04,693 --> 00:01:08,093
Speaker 2: amateur move, you know, like, don't put everyone knows that,

23
00:01:08,173 --> 00:01:08,373
Speaker 2: you know.

24
00:01:09,533 --> 00:01:12,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you get so focused on the kids, don't you,

25
00:01:12,053 --> 00:01:13,533
Speaker 4: And you know, making sure they're having.

26
00:01:13,373 --> 00:01:15,413
Speaker 3: A good time, that sort of everything else goes out.

27
00:01:15,333 --> 00:01:16,533
Speaker 4: Of your head of it, doesn't it, and you end

28
00:01:16,613 --> 00:01:22,413
Speaker 4: up doing things. But yeah, look, yeah, absolutely there's I

29
00:01:22,453 --> 00:01:25,373
Speaker 4: think for many of us. I mean, there are obvious

30
00:01:25,413 --> 00:01:29,133
Speaker 4: benefits to being outside and nature. And often when I

31
00:01:29,133 --> 00:01:33,013
Speaker 4: talk to people, you know, people have a semi spiritual connection.

32
00:01:33,813 --> 00:01:35,733
Speaker 4: And I don't mean that in any dismissive way at all,

33
00:01:35,773 --> 00:01:38,213
Speaker 4: but you know, a semi spiritual connection. Many people work

34
00:01:38,293 --> 00:01:42,533
Speaker 4: with nature and talk about that impact for them, which

35
00:01:42,573 --> 00:01:45,213
Speaker 4: is great, and obvious physical benefits too.

36
00:01:45,253 --> 00:01:46,493
Speaker 3: You know you're out there.

37
00:01:46,773 --> 00:01:49,373
Speaker 4: Walking or running or cycling or trying to swim with

38
00:01:49,413 --> 00:01:51,973
Speaker 4: a double wave or whatever it is. But you know,

39
00:01:52,093 --> 00:01:56,733
Speaker 4: mental health benefits too, and we know that even just

40
00:01:56,773 --> 00:02:00,933
Speaker 4: to getting like two or three hours of sustained time

41
00:02:01,053 --> 00:02:04,293
Speaker 4: out in nature really helps reduce stress and.

42
00:02:04,293 --> 00:02:06,293
Speaker 3: Improves people sleep.

43
00:02:06,413 --> 00:02:08,893
Speaker 4: And one of the one of the studies around this

44
00:02:09,173 --> 00:02:12,453
Speaker 4: was they longitudinal study, because often that's the thing is

45
00:02:12,333 --> 00:02:14,173
Speaker 4: you sort of people go out for a short time.

46
00:02:14,253 --> 00:02:15,693
Speaker 3: Those are years I feel better.

47
00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:17,853
Speaker 4: And it's like, well, you know, are you just saying that?

48
00:02:18,173 --> 00:02:22,893
Speaker 4: But they tracked twenty thousand people who moved who moved

49
00:02:22,933 --> 00:02:23,613
Speaker 4: around the country.

50
00:02:23,653 --> 00:02:25,333
Speaker 3: This was in the UK, and they.

51
00:02:25,853 --> 00:02:29,813
Speaker 4: Found that those who moved to green spaces or so

52
00:02:29,933 --> 00:02:31,573
Speaker 4: off and out into a rural area.

53
00:02:32,053 --> 00:02:33,533
Speaker 3: Hadn't improven in their mental health.

54
00:02:33,573 --> 00:02:36,293
Speaker 4: That lasted over two years when they followed them up.

55
00:02:36,333 --> 00:02:38,773
Speaker 4: So I think that's you know, that's a really good

56
00:02:38,813 --> 00:02:42,373
Speaker 4: sort of indication about how long this benefit can last

57
00:02:42,413 --> 00:02:42,773
Speaker 4: for us.

58
00:02:43,813 --> 00:02:46,533
Speaker 2: That's interesting. What do they put it down to, Like,

59
00:02:47,093 --> 00:02:49,853
Speaker 2: is it you know, can you work out why it

60
00:02:49,853 --> 00:02:51,853
Speaker 2: gives us this benefit? Or is it just one of

61
00:02:51,853 --> 00:02:55,813
Speaker 2: those kind of like to me, it's almost like cosmological.

62
00:02:56,493 --> 00:02:59,453
Speaker 2: I think that's the right. I think that's right astrological.

63
00:02:59,453 --> 00:03:01,933
Speaker 2: I can never well in the in that it's kind

64
00:03:01,933 --> 00:03:05,013
Speaker 2: of a it's quite it's quite a grounding and humbling

65
00:03:05,053 --> 00:03:08,213
Speaker 2: experience to be with Nate, because you realize, you know,

66
00:03:08,253 --> 00:03:10,973
Speaker 2: in a world where we're so focused on ourselves in

67
00:03:11,013 --> 00:03:15,373
Speaker 2: our existence and the people in our lives, to be

68
00:03:15,453 --> 00:03:21,573
Speaker 2: reminded of your relative insignificance and the kind of you know,

69
00:03:21,653 --> 00:03:23,573
Speaker 2: the kind of beauty of the greater space that you've

70
00:03:23,613 --> 00:03:26,133
Speaker 2: been brought and born into, I suppose can be quite

71
00:03:26,133 --> 00:03:28,693
Speaker 2: a I don't know, it's kind of a I find

72
00:03:28,693 --> 00:03:31,573
Speaker 2: it quite a humbling but also strangely nourishing thing.

73
00:03:32,533 --> 00:03:32,773
Speaker 3: Yeah.

74
00:03:32,853 --> 00:03:35,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, and nourishing I think is a great word a

75
00:03:35,453 --> 00:03:37,653
Speaker 4: And I know that I have this even, you know,

76
00:03:37,693 --> 00:03:38,053
Speaker 4: when I.

77
00:03:38,013 --> 00:03:41,013
Speaker 3: Take the dogs for a walk, which I'm sort of trying.

78
00:03:40,733 --> 00:03:42,773
Speaker 4: To plan on doing today but in welling kind of

79
00:03:42,813 --> 00:03:44,773
Speaker 4: as the weather does not look like it's going to

80
00:03:44,773 --> 00:03:47,013
Speaker 4: help me doing that. But even just getting out there,

81
00:03:47,653 --> 00:03:50,893
Speaker 4: I just just feel a real relaxation. It's just I

82
00:03:50,893 --> 00:03:56,773
Speaker 4: can just there's that sense of just relaxing and de stressing. Look,

83
00:03:56,813 --> 00:03:59,093
Speaker 4: even when I stand out on our balcony and we've

84
00:03:59,093 --> 00:04:02,493
Speaker 4: got this deck that sort of sits across the top

85
00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:05,093
Speaker 4: of the trees, you just breathe in and it feels

86
00:04:05,133 --> 00:04:06,933
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is true, but feels like

87
00:04:06,973 --> 00:04:10,333
Speaker 4: there's extra oxygen floating around.

88
00:04:10,053 --> 00:04:14,013
Speaker 3: And it's just like, ah, just oh, I almost feel.

89
00:04:13,693 --> 00:04:17,373
Speaker 4: That the stress drip away, which is.

90
00:04:17,333 --> 00:04:18,173
Speaker 3: You know, amazing.

91
00:04:18,253 --> 00:04:20,573
Speaker 4: But look, I think the other thing too that a

92
00:04:20,813 --> 00:04:23,493
Speaker 4: recent study twenty twenty five study has shown is the

93
00:04:23,533 --> 00:04:27,253
Speaker 4: impact And this is fascinating. I found the impact actually

94
00:04:27,333 --> 00:04:32,653
Speaker 4: on people's perception of pain. And they found that that

95
00:04:33,493 --> 00:04:38,853
Speaker 4: people's experience of pain actually reduces when they are in nature.

96
00:04:38,933 --> 00:04:41,173
Speaker 4: And this is they've looked at this in two ways.

97
00:04:41,293 --> 00:04:43,333
Speaker 4: They asked people, you know, do you feel more or

98
00:04:43,413 --> 00:04:45,973
Speaker 4: less pain? So the great thing about this study was

99
00:04:46,013 --> 00:04:49,813
Speaker 4: they were giving people electric shocks, which is classic gold

100
00:04:49,933 --> 00:04:53,453
Speaker 4: classic trek and psychology. Shock your participants and see what

101
00:04:53,493 --> 00:04:56,533
Speaker 4: they say. Tricky getting ethical approval, but there you go.

102
00:04:57,573 --> 00:05:00,373
Speaker 4: So yeah, people said, yes, I rate the pain as

103
00:05:00,493 --> 00:05:03,893
Speaker 4: less when I'm looking at a nature of scenic view.

104
00:05:04,533 --> 00:05:08,453
Speaker 4: But not only did people say that, they also they

105
00:05:08,453 --> 00:05:10,693
Speaker 4: were also scanning their brain at the same time with

106
00:05:10,773 --> 00:05:14,693
Speaker 4: an MRI, a functional MRI, and they found that the

107
00:05:14,853 --> 00:05:19,093
Speaker 4: strength of the pain signals in the brain was actually reduced,

108
00:05:19,453 --> 00:05:23,733
Speaker 4: so suggesting that that that nature has a real, an

109
00:05:23,773 --> 00:05:28,013
Speaker 4: actual enalgesic biological effect on us in our brains, which

110
00:05:28,093 --> 00:05:31,573
Speaker 4: I just thought was quite an amazing isn't it.

111
00:05:31,573 --> 00:05:32,653
Speaker 3: It's just like, I mean, if.

112
00:05:32,573 --> 00:05:34,853
Speaker 2: I was undergoing an amputation or something like that, I

113
00:05:34,893 --> 00:05:37,573
Speaker 2: think I'd still go for the harder stuff. But yeah, no,

114
00:05:37,653 --> 00:05:40,133
Speaker 2: I mean it does. It does kind of make sense. Yeah,

115
00:05:40,253 --> 00:05:44,973
Speaker 2: I mean it kind of strangely intuitively makes sense. Yeah,

116
00:05:45,173 --> 00:05:46,733
Speaker 2: it sounds a bit wafky. I know, it does sound

117
00:05:46,773 --> 00:05:49,933
Speaker 2: a bit like Lala, but yeah, I know I can

118
00:05:49,973 --> 00:05:52,293
Speaker 2: believe it because I mean, if you feel better, like

119
00:05:52,373 --> 00:05:54,533
Speaker 2: if you feel better going outside, you feel better, taking

120
00:05:54,573 --> 00:05:56,733
Speaker 2: the dog for you feel better, you know, going and

121
00:05:56,773 --> 00:06:00,093
Speaker 2: feeling the elements on your face. Then is it crazy

122
00:06:00,133 --> 00:06:03,573
Speaker 2: to think that actually you would feel less bad during

123
00:06:03,573 --> 00:06:05,213
Speaker 2: a painful experience. I don't think it is.

124
00:06:05,333 --> 00:06:08,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, no, I know what you mean.

125
00:06:08,213 --> 00:06:11,413
Speaker 4: There is something intuitively, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense

126
00:06:12,693 --> 00:06:16,413
Speaker 4: and nice to but often you know, people can just say, oh, well,

127
00:06:16,693 --> 00:06:19,653
Speaker 4: you know, that's just people's perception and that's still real.

128
00:06:19,693 --> 00:06:22,373
Speaker 4: I'm not dissing that at all, but noticing that it's

129
00:06:22,373 --> 00:06:26,973
Speaker 4: even got an actual reduced pain signal in the brain

130
00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:27,453
Speaker 4: I thought.

131
00:06:27,413 --> 00:06:28,813
Speaker 3: Was really amazing.

132
00:06:30,253 --> 00:06:33,373
Speaker 4: I think the takeaway is getting out, getting out at

133
00:06:33,493 --> 00:06:36,773
Speaker 4: least sort of two to three hours a week if

134
00:06:36,813 --> 00:06:38,853
Speaker 4: you can, and doing that.

135
00:06:38,893 --> 00:06:40,973
Speaker 3: In blocks of at least thirty minutes.

136
00:06:41,013 --> 00:06:43,693
Speaker 4: We know that you need to be out there for

137
00:06:43,773 --> 00:06:46,413
Speaker 4: at least about thirty minutes to really get that hit,

138
00:06:46,573 --> 00:06:49,533
Speaker 4: So five minutes around the block at lunchtime it is okay,

139
00:06:49,573 --> 00:06:51,733
Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with that, but you're not going to

140
00:06:51,733 --> 00:06:53,693
Speaker 4: get the full benefit.

141
00:06:53,293 --> 00:06:56,293
Speaker 3: Of being out in nature. So trying to and.

142
00:06:56,253 --> 00:06:58,213
Speaker 4: I know that's not easy for everybody. If you're living

143
00:06:58,293 --> 00:07:00,253
Speaker 4: in an urban area, but trying to get out at

144
00:07:00,333 --> 00:07:02,853
Speaker 4: least two or three hours a week if possible, and

145
00:07:02,933 --> 00:07:06,373
Speaker 4: at least in thirty minute chunks if that's doable for you.

146
00:07:06,693 --> 00:07:06,933
Speaker 3: Yeah.

147
00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:09,213
Speaker 2: Nice, that's such good advice. I thanks so much, Google,

148
00:07:09,253 --> 00:07:12,213
Speaker 2: I appreciate your time as always, Google. Sublan from Umbrella

149
00:07:12,253 --> 00:07:13,893
Speaker 2: Well Being with us this morning.

150
00:07:14,573 --> 00:07:17,653
Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live

151
00:07:17,733 --> 00:07:20,573
Speaker 1: to News Talks d B from nine am Saturday, or

152
00:07:20,653 --> 00:07:22,533
Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio