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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It B your News Talks B. We're talking all things

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Speaker 2: gardening that hauld climb past.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, sir Piedro.

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Speaker 4: How are you very well and very well?

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Speaker 3: Did you ever get.

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Speaker 4: Around to talk about fly poop on the med ceiling surface?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 2: No, I did see that text. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 2: really hard to get rid of, are they.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not because it's not fly poop, it's fly vomit.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that makes me feel much better. And pray, tell

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Speaker 2: why do flies the site to vomit on the ceilings?

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Speaker 4: They're the only creatures that I know in that we're

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Speaker 4: formed upside down.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that the dynamics, the engineering, the

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Speaker 2: playing involved as spectacular fly.

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Speaker 4: Pool is so small you'll never find it in your

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Speaker 4: spaghetti bononnaise.

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Speaker 2: Right, please smell that.

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Speaker 3: But one day, what is it?

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Speaker 2: Regurgitation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's regurd That's how they eat.

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Speaker 4: They eat by literally regurgitating, and that's what becomes that

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Speaker 4: little black thing. And I reckon it's something. Actually, it's

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Speaker 4: actually quite an interesting thing to think about. I should

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Speaker 4: really look at this one day to see why that

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Speaker 4: is so absolutely hard to get off services sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Because it dries, you know, it becomes like crusty and

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Speaker 2: moisture resistant almost exactly.

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Speaker 4: And that's and I think that's pretty clever if you

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Speaker 4: think about it, it's very It's probably.

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Speaker 2: A chemical application for the product, you know, it's like

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Speaker 2: a filler or something like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we call it biomemicry. Learning from nature. How do

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Speaker 4: you make the most stuff in the world. I think

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Speaker 4: raisine should be looking. They could make it a fly

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Speaker 4: vomit paint color, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: There might be a marketing issue there. Hey, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what. The other story that fascinated me this week

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Speaker 2: is the invasion of the millipedes. Yes, and on the

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Speaker 2: South Coast and Wellington.

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Speaker 3: The Portuguese millipede.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen them, and they've been here for quite

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Speaker 4: a while now, right, I've never seen a millipede. Have

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Speaker 4: got this lovely way of smelling out or finding out

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Speaker 4: where your staircase is at the back door. And if

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Speaker 4: it gets nice and wet, they will have to go

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Speaker 4: up before they drown, so they climb up. But on

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Speaker 4: the other hand, they will find places where they can

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Speaker 4: actually find their food. And it's all of course about composting,

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Speaker 4: all right, you know, rubbishy stuff. That's what they do.

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Speaker 2: Because the article that I read this week, people are

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Speaker 2: like really distressed. There's lots of them. There are a

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Speaker 2: confined spaces and geographically located, and almost nothing you can

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Speaker 2: do to stop them or prevent them.

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Speaker 4: No, I've just one of the old pitfall trap would work,

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Speaker 4: so that you have let's say, a thing that you

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Speaker 4: dig into the ground with the lid open, something execu

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Speaker 4: you got it. But then with something that they really enjoy,

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Speaker 4: so I can all go to that big thing and

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Speaker 4: then you have a whole jet jar full of that

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Speaker 4: of those creatures and all you do is toss them

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Speaker 4: over the fence. What depends on how you get on

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Speaker 4: with your neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think if you've buffed them over, they'll

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Speaker 2: be back. Yes, there will be how fascinating. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it seems I guess this is the whole thing with

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Speaker 2: introduced species, isn't it it is?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they have a nish and they'll go for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right here, let's get amongst the calls. Diane, A

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Speaker 2: very good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Peter Rudge. How are you doing.

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Speaker 4: We're good Thank you, Dane. What are you going to

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Speaker 4: do with this wonderful pandoria? It just me noides, Yes,

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Speaker 4: I just want to know.

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Speaker 5: I've got a tiny home with a huge dick, and

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Speaker 5: I want to grow up the pole and along and

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Speaker 5: across to the other pole, which I've got four poles.

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Speaker 5: It's number two and number three poles, so it's sort

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Speaker 5: of in the middle. Yeah, the decks like fourteen by

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Speaker 5: four and a half or something meters. Yeah, I want

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Speaker 5: to know whether I can grow it in a half

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Speaker 5: wine barrel up on the deck or whether I drop

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Speaker 5: and house is about ninety off the ground and then

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Speaker 5: there's a raised garden below. Would it be happier in

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Speaker 5: the raised garden, which is only about probably forty centimeters deep,

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Speaker 5: or would it be okay in the in the wooden

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Speaker 5: you know, wine barrel.

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Speaker 3: Have you got room for a big wine barrel?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, four and a half meters wide the deck.

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Speaker 4: And okay, all right, just sayings long. Yeah, But the

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Speaker 4: nice thing about a big wine barrel is that it

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Speaker 4: is not just that particular pondoria plant or the bower

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Speaker 4: vine as they call it, that you could have in

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Speaker 4: that wine barrel. You could have other things growing out

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Speaker 4: of that wine barrel too. Then I'm just asking you

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Speaker 4: to get enough space.

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Speaker 3: That's all it is.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that would be nice as long as you

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Speaker 4: make sure that it's in reasonably good light. Not completely

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Speaker 4: full sunlight the whole day, but most of the time

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Speaker 4: partial shade is okay too. But the soil has to

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Speaker 4: be nice and well drained.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So what do I put in the bottom of

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Speaker 5: the barrel to make sure that it's that it's.

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Speaker 4: Trained to a hot No, a hole in the bottom

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Speaker 4: of the barrel so that water can get down get out.

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Speaker 4: So if you get something like we had in christ

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Speaker 4: Church with this amazing rain a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 4: a couple of week ago, that really left a lot

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Speaker 4: for instance, that would stay there and cause all sorts

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Speaker 4: of root rots.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you need to get with it for the

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Speaker 5: frost because I live in a wire referra and I

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Speaker 5: can almost touch the terrors.

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Speaker 7: Nice.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is awesome. I shoot it from ten acres

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Speaker 5: in Mangrel Valley where those horrible little centipede things are

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Speaker 5: Three and a half years ago. And yeah, it is

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Speaker 5: beautiful that the view is stunning, but the frosts are

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Speaker 5: really hard. So if I put if I somehow pop

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Speaker 5: Because another house I had one and it was.

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Speaker 8: You couldn't kill it.

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Speaker 5: It was amazing. That was under a verandah as well,

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Speaker 5: but it was well established when we bought that house

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Speaker 5: where it is growing from a baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't.

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Speaker 4: You don't really want it to. I would say it

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Speaker 4: doesn't like too much, too heavy, frost, too heavy, So

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Speaker 4: that means protection, and that also means a regular taking

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Speaker 4: I think you could do it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you do. You have to keep it off

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Speaker 5: the leaves.

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Speaker 4: Yes, if it's if you've got a good frost, if

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Speaker 4: you go to one in the direction of Mount Holdsworth,

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Speaker 4: for instance, I think it would be pretty cool there.

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Speaker 3: Good god, it will be cold.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's cold.

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Speaker 3: I know, I go.

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Speaker 4: I usually take kids and teachers there and the ire

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Speaker 3: But I can imagine that in winter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty stunning looking out at the snow, and

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Speaker 5: it soon warms up, you know, once some comes down.

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Speaker 5: But it's pretty awesome if I make that frost club

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Speaker 5: it down so that I can have it like a

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Speaker 5: like a tent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you can do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can do that. You can do that. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Good luck with that, Diane. All the very best to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh Wa eight one hundred and eighty ten eight. If

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Speaker 2: you've got a question for it, Darren, good morning, good.

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Speaker 9: Morning, question for you. You talk about putting meme oil

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Speaker 9: on your vegetable garden. Yeah, for whitefly and everything else.

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Speaker 9: Those lots of meme oil I've bought. This one says

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Speaker 9: right at the bottom, keep out of reach of children.

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Speaker 9: Do not apply on animal or food feed crops.

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Speaker 3: Okay, safety use.

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Speaker 9: On my vegetables or not, because both of the lots

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Speaker 9: of water feed don't use.

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Speaker 3: I must.

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Speaker 4: I must admit I've heard this before with certain food

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Speaker 4: something to do with their if you like their strength,

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Speaker 4: the strength of the of the of the kneeme oil.

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Speaker 4: In this case, I have never really had any hassles

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Speaker 4: with it because I planted it. For instance, I used

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Speaker 4: kneeme oil on tomatoes every now and then before they

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Speaker 4: are ripe, and that means that you get rid of

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Speaker 4: your white fly in this case, before it all becomes it.

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Speaker 4: Everything is starting to be harvested, and I reckon that

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Speaker 4: might be the way to go. You could also use

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Speaker 4: any other oils you like, such as Conqueror oil, which

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you can put on your plants.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so you shouldn't spread it on your plants, like

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Speaker 9: my tomatoes and my glass yas are still all fruiting.

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Speaker 9: I shouldn't pay it on.

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Speaker 4: I would wouldn't do it now, but I would. I

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Speaker 4: would do something else like conqueror oil. Yeah, okay, there

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Speaker 3: Does that answer your question?

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Speaker 4: It's the diming is important.

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Speaker 3: I suppose.

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Speaker 4: It never used to be like that. I am not

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent sure why knee oil has suddenly become

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Speaker 4: a bit of like a ooh, not too much.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that.

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Speaker 4: Was the case when it came out twenty thirty years ago,

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Speaker 4: you know, when we started using it.

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Speaker 3: But there you go.

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Speaker 4: If you're if you're not sure about it, go to

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Speaker 4: conquer oil.

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Speaker 9: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 6: For that.

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Speaker 2: You take care there, Phil, Hello there good?

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Speaker 8: How are you good?

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Speaker 9: Mate?

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Speaker 8: Excellent? I'm not quite sure how to how to word

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Speaker 8: this question to route there. I h a few years

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Speaker 8: ago I had the fire going and I picked up

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Speaker 8: what I thought was just a bit of black coal,

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Speaker 8: you know, like an ember, and I and I threw

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Speaker 8: it in the four. I just thought it was a

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Speaker 8: bit of burnt, wouldn't that But that made this horrible

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Speaker 8: and I thought it must have been a bug. So

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Speaker 8: and I feel horrible because you know, it sounded like

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Speaker 8: it was an agony and the pain it was just

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Speaker 8: for a second or two. So what I was going

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Speaker 8: to ask rout was it?

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Speaker 5: What did it?

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Speaker 8: If it was a bug? Do I feel pain? And

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Speaker 8: what it has suffered durably? If it may? It sounds

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Speaker 4: That's a matter of I've got to get out of here,

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Speaker 2: Honest, had to ef I do research on that.

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Speaker 3: How much pain do you feel?

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Speaker 2: Not for long? Right, we're back after the break. Thanks

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Speaker 4: I'd like the look though at pain though, Peter, and

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Speaker 4: feel I still don't know if they feel it or not.

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Speaker 4: I just help the feeling. We haven't really looked at

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Speaker 3: Exactly there you go.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's it's a bit here, there and everywhere,

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Speaker 2: You know, some interesting texts.

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Speaker 6: Oh high team, Just a quick one year. I make

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Speaker 7: So I thought it. I'd follow it up with all

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Speaker 7: about two months ago, and I've put lime all through it.

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Speaker 7: And it's whether it's been fine or whatever, it's just

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Speaker 4: That is because there is no carbon and no other

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Speaker 4: is really important, Steve. And there's the time to do

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Speaker 4: it for its as you get leaves from trees that

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Speaker 6: So you do it intually, put a lot of leaves

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you also need wood and chips, wood chips, Okay,

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Speaker 6: Right Okay, look, I'll be extended. It looks like I'll

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Speaker 4: Yes, not only that, but also from now on, you

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Speaker 3: That is what makes you good compost.

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Speaker 4: You will mate.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and there is a lot. So literally, if you

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Speaker 4: It's beautiful and you basically see that not only leaves

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Speaker 2: So I'm distracted slightly by this text that's come through,

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Speaker 2: It's the detail. It's the detail. Radio. Hey, lovely to

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Speaker 3: Can we go now yet?

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Speaker 2: Coning and the duch this week as well.

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Speaker 4: It's good conning stera coning stuff.

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