1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: New Zealand First is proposing to define what a woman 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: is in law after the UK Supreme Court ruling last week. 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Now the Members Bill defines a woman as an adult human, 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: biological female. New Zealand First leader obviously is Winston Peter's 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Winston Hello, Hello, Why do we need to have these 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: definitions in law? 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: Look, we've for decades said that the government's got no 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: place in the nation's bedrooms. It's not about being anti 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 2: anyone or anti anything, but we have to have a 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: focus on the facts of biology and protect the term 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: women in this country's law. 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: Practically, what's it going to do? I mean, what spaces 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: or things are we protecting for women through this definition. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole lot of spaces. I mean it 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: started off you remember it's about twenty twenty one in 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: the Indocargol swimming pools. There was an argument about men's 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: or certain men's or non women's rights of welcome to 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: the girls and the women's changing sheds. I mean, this 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: was disgrace and the camera cad on from there. We 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: were told we're going down a rabbit hole, or some 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: partitions said we're on another planet. And the fact of 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: the matter is that this is a case where women 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: who are deserving protection in sport and many other occasions 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: are simply not getting it in our law. 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: So would this be applicable in sport as well? Would winstance? So, 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: for example, if you were like, we're running a women's 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: rugby league team, you could say to trans women, you 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: can't join the team. 29 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: You're not a woman, You've got a biological advantage. You're 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: not going to be playing in the same fairness scene 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 2: as women are. 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, do you think that there is I mean, 33 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: the first thing is do we actually have a problem 34 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: where we actually have trans women going into bathrooms and 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: women objecting to it? Is that actually happening? 36 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: Look, that's happening, and we but women who twice have 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: presented petitions to us in the last year asking for 38 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 2: us to do something about it. And what we've had 39 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: here is an unusual circumstance where of late they work 40 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: left and their ideology has crept in and no one's 41 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: got a thing about it, and we are saying, no, 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: that's enough. The law should be clear. It is unusual 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: that we have to write the law this way. We 44 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: all understood, and we thought we understood what we're talking about. 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: But now because of those who don't have any regard 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: to electoral mandates or any rights or majority rights, are 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: just asserting we think this and if you don't think that, 48 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: then you out of touch. Well we're not out of touch. 49 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: We're in touch with the mass majority and we're undo 50 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: something about and ensuring that women in particular are safe. 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Look, the second thing is, if you're serious about it, 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: why are you doing this as a member's bill? Why 53 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: aren't you doing it as a government bill? Because a 54 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: member's bill it may or may not happen for decades. 55 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: It'll be making it. I can assure you this because 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: there's enormous pressure for the political parties in Parliament to 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: address this issue. Chris Simquins was asked this question. You 58 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: recall in twenty twenty three an he said, you get 59 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 2: back to the people. Didn't want to talk about it, 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: didn't know, he didn't he couldn't describe what a woman was. 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: That's how bad things have got. 62 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: But why don't you do it as a government bill? 63 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: Because I mean, you're doing the same thing as him, right, 64 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: this is on the back burner. If it's a member's bill, 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: why don't you do it as a government bill. 66 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: I can guarantee you'll not be on the back burner. 67 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: We will make sure it's on the front burner. And 68 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: it's sure he started. 69 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: But you can't win because it has to get drawn 70 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: out randomly out of a biscuit. And so why don't 71 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: you do it as a government bill and do it now? 72 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: Because when you're trying to negotiate a former college and 73 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: government there many people don't have the priority on some 74 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: of the most fundamental things my party does. 75 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Who's holding it up? Is it national or is it act? 76 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see who's holding it up. But here's the point. Yeah, no, 77 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: I doesn't laugh. That's not a laughing matter. The women 78 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: are the majority of population of this country. That's the 79 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: first thing. And the second thing is, well, I want. 80 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: To know who's holding it up Onston somebody's holding it up. 81 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: Well, we'll we'll find out who's holding it back and 82 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: we'll ensure that the public knows it. 83 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: Hey, listen, tell me something. What did Nichola get you 84 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: for you? But happy birthday? By the way, what did 85 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: nico I get you for your birthday? 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: Actually? 87 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: A drawing, a train drawing? 88 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: No, no, no, a blow up of someone else's drawing. 89 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: One of those newspaper cartoons. 90 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't have times. It was the last 91 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: day I was letting my heading off to the four 92 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: country Pacific to I barely had time to look at us. 93 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 2: Said look, i'll look at it when I get back. Yeah. No, 94 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: thank you. 95 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: Then, and did you have a knees up? 96 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: No? I didn't. And well there were attempts to have 97 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: a knees up, but I made sure I avoided him. 98 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: But I ended up. This was a catastrophe. I went 99 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: on the wrong way, but I gone Hawaii first and 100 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: back to Tongue. I would have avoided my birthday because 101 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: the eleventh would have been in two different days. But 102 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: I went to Tongue and then I went to Hawaii 103 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: and I got I got it twice trying to avoid it. 104 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: It sounds like calmer. Hey, Happy birthday, Winston, and thank 105 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: you for your time. 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