WEBVTT - Rugby Direct Episode 253: Boks Blown Away: The Ellis Park Upset 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:12.693 You're listening to a podcast from News Talks EDB. Follow 0:00:12.773 --> 0:00:20.493 this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio straight down. 0:00:20.413 --> 0:00:30.613 The middle of truck Sky, try. 0:00:28.693 --> 0:00:32.413 To get inside the game from every end goal. It's 0:00:32.533 --> 0:00:36.333 Rugby Direct with Elliott Smith and Leam Nabier powered by 0:00:36.413 --> 0:00:37.173 News Talks EDB. 0:00:38.213 --> 0:00:41.733 Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by four Clive Solutions, lifting 0:00:41.773 --> 0:00:45.613 you and your business to a higher label. Elliott Smith 0:00:45.653 --> 0:00:50.493 Liam Napier in Johannesburg as we reflect on a pretty 0:00:50.493 --> 0:00:54.493 big win for the All Blacks thirty three seventeen over 0:00:54.573 --> 0:00:59.493 South Africa at Alice Park. Liam, Quite remarkable, wasn't it? So? 0:00:59.573 --> 0:01:01.453 I think I took the All Blacks by three? On 0:01:01.493 --> 0:01:04.053 the pod you I think when South Africa win. 0:01:03.933 --> 0:01:04.933 The box by three? 0:01:05.013 --> 0:01:07.493 Yeah, And here we are, the All Blacks have one 0:01:07.533 --> 0:01:11.693 by seven against South Africa, pretty much against the odds 0:01:11.693 --> 0:01:14.693 as well. We'll dig into it obviously and then get 0:01:14.693 --> 0:01:17.693 through all the facets of the game. But it's always 0:01:17.693 --> 0:01:19.573 so like opening up and you're giving us your top 0:01:19.613 --> 0:01:21.653 line thoughts on what you made of that game. 0:01:22.493 --> 0:01:25.453 It was a night of knights, wasn't an Elliott's There's 0:01:25.493 --> 0:01:30.053 no grander, greater experience in world rugby than going to 0:01:30.093 --> 0:01:35.653 Alice Park sixty two thousand. There might have been three 0:01:35.693 --> 0:01:38.933 thousand New Zealand fans. So what's that fifty nine thousand 0:01:39.013 --> 0:01:41.893 screaming South Africans. It's a sea of green, It's a 0:01:42.173 --> 0:01:46.173 magic occasion. The atmosphere at the hostility like nothing else. 0:01:46.213 --> 0:01:49.613 They fly the passenger planes over the roof damp that 0:01:49.733 --> 0:01:51.333 makes the hairs on the back of your next stand 0:01:51.413 --> 0:01:57.453 up and what for. It's not as simple as it 0:01:57.533 --> 0:02:01.133 to say, fifty minutes the box dominated, but they had 0:02:01.133 --> 0:02:05.053 the All Blacks on the rack. They were one more 0:02:05.093 --> 0:02:09.973 scrum penalty away from potentially inflicting a yellow card a 0:02:09.973 --> 0:02:14.253 penalty try potentially on the All Blacks and probably just 0:02:14.733 --> 0:02:20.533 steamrolling home. And the All Blacks summoned their spirit from 0:02:20.573 --> 0:02:25.053 the dead. They had a scrum from the ages and produced. 0:02:25.693 --> 0:02:27.973 It wasn't a comeback because they were actually in front, 0:02:28.213 --> 0:02:31.093 which was defied belief in many respects at the time, 0:02:31.133 --> 0:02:37.333 but summoned a remarkable last quarter surge to come away 0:02:37.373 --> 0:02:40.733 with a victory that I don't know if anyone predicted 0:02:40.733 --> 0:02:43.493 the All Blacks going Alice Park and winning by thirteen plus. 0:02:43.293 --> 0:02:45.653 No, I don't think anyone did that. It was built 0:02:45.693 --> 0:02:48.933 on immense character from the All Blacks. And you know 0:02:49.013 --> 0:02:52.813 this has been instilled in a very short space of 0:02:52.853 --> 0:02:57.213 time some backbone into this team and it was certainly 0:02:57.253 --> 0:03:00.573 missing last year. Look, we did see aspects of it 0:03:00.613 --> 0:03:03.333 in the previous regime. We saw a good win against 0:03:03.333 --> 0:03:05.733 Ireland in Dublin, we saw a big win against the 0:03:05.773 --> 0:03:09.613 Box at Eden Park last year. But by and large, 0:03:09.693 --> 0:03:12.813 backbone had been missing from this All Blacks team and 0:03:14.453 --> 0:03:17.053 it felt like it had been restored last night at 0:03:17.093 --> 0:03:18.813 Alice Park. And that's not to say they're going to 0:03:18.853 --> 0:03:20.453 go on and win the series, although they put themselves 0:03:20.493 --> 0:03:22.613 in a good position now to do so. It's not 0:03:22.613 --> 0:03:24.453 to say that they're deserving even of the number one 0:03:24.493 --> 0:03:28.613 world ranking, but it was a win in spite of 0:03:28.653 --> 0:03:34.333 almost everything that could go wrong. Really, they managed to 0:03:34.333 --> 0:03:36.573 find a way. And I think that is the most 0:03:36.573 --> 0:03:39.613 compelling thing if you're an All Blacks fan listening to this, 0:03:39.733 --> 0:03:42.333 is that in spite of the stat shed and we're 0:03:42.333 --> 0:03:47.373 digging to some stats shortly, but the stats would suggest 0:03:47.413 --> 0:03:49.213 that the All Blacks had no chance of winning, let 0:03:49.213 --> 0:03:51.693 alone winning by seventeen points, and that's what they managed 0:03:51.693 --> 0:03:53.693 to do. So I think it was a win of 0:03:53.733 --> 0:03:58.973 real conviction for Dave Rinny's coaching methods for his coaching team, 0:03:59.213 --> 0:04:02.333 and I think there was a lot to like, even 0:04:02.373 --> 0:04:05.573 though they weren't even really able to implement the game 0:04:05.573 --> 0:04:07.973 plan that they've talked about about playing at pace and 0:04:08.013 --> 0:04:10.253 doing that sort of thing. Their rock speed was slower 0:04:10.333 --> 0:04:13.653 than South Africa, they weren't able to get you know, 0:04:13.733 --> 0:04:15.373 some players involved in the game as much as they 0:04:15.373 --> 0:04:15.893 would have liked. 0:04:16.013 --> 0:04:17.973 They kicked once more than the Spring Else. 0:04:17.973 --> 0:04:20.453 They didn't have a lot of post contact meters from 0:04:20.493 --> 0:04:21.053 their ball. 0:04:20.893 --> 0:04:23.613 Carriers, no, at least one hundreds less than the Box, 0:04:24.053 --> 0:04:31.413 which was quite evident in the first forty to fifty minutes. Yeah, 0:04:31.653 --> 0:04:33.813 and look, this was a Springbox team that had won 0:04:34.413 --> 0:04:37.333 twelve in the trot, that swept every major test nation 0:04:37.413 --> 0:04:39.533 in the past year. They won thirty one of their 0:04:39.613 --> 0:04:42.733 last thirty four games. They hadn't lost since that Egan 0:04:42.813 --> 0:04:47.773 Park game. They were only rarely missing Sair Calisi, so 0:04:47.973 --> 0:04:53.013 largely at full strength at their spiritual home. Everything stacked 0:04:53.013 --> 0:04:57.453 in their favor. So it was a remarkable win and 0:04:58.133 --> 0:05:02.013 it really is testament to what Dave Rennie has done 0:05:02.133 --> 0:05:06.733 in a little over two months, seven games, he has 0:05:07.293 --> 0:05:11.373 rebuilt the culture of that team. He has really empowered 0:05:11.373 --> 0:05:15.373 the players to take ownership, to have real buy in, 0:05:16.493 --> 0:05:21.893 to strip a lot of things out and empowered this 0:05:21.973 --> 0:05:25.213 team and rebuilt it. You know, a number of selections 0:05:25.213 --> 0:05:28.013 have been questioned, and he said the courage of his convictions. 0:05:28.053 --> 0:05:32.613 He surrounded himself with people he knows and trusts, and 0:05:32.973 --> 0:05:37.333 it's teams don't win in those circumstances unless they're unified 0:05:37.653 --> 0:05:40.893 and they have real internal character. Like you say, you 0:05:40.973 --> 0:05:44.853 don't face that sort of adversity, have your backs to 0:05:44.973 --> 0:05:48.933 the wall and respond like that. If you're not on 0:05:48.973 --> 0:05:50.293 the same page. 0:05:50.533 --> 0:05:53.053 The comparison I'm going to draw and an interesting one. 0:05:53.173 --> 0:05:54.973 I'll be intrigued to get your thoughts because you were there. 0:05:55.013 --> 0:05:57.853 I wasn't on that occasion was twenty twenty two when 0:05:58.533 --> 0:06:01.453 they were beaten the previous week in im Bibella, and 0:06:02.613 --> 0:06:05.413 you know, it felt like it was Ian Foster's last stand. 0:06:05.533 --> 0:06:09.333 Yet the players unified and turned in a performance to 0:06:09.453 --> 0:06:12.293 really be proud of, ultimately saving in Foster's job. There 0:06:12.293 --> 0:06:17.893 were more hiccups to come along the way, but that 0:06:18.053 --> 0:06:19.773 was a better performance I thought last night than the 0:06:19.813 --> 0:06:21.973 one even they won four years ago. 0:06:22.853 --> 0:06:25.973 Yeah, well, I think Foster's tenure was deeply flawed in 0:06:26.013 --> 0:06:28.573 a lot of ways. And I'm still of the mind 0:06:28.653 --> 0:06:32.413 that he was largely saved by his assistant coaches Jason 0:06:32.493 --> 0:06:37.373 Ryan and Joe Schmidt. But he did have the support 0:06:37.413 --> 0:06:40.613 of the players, and that was very evident when they 0:06:41.653 --> 0:06:45.253 fronted Mark Robinson and basically demanded that he retain his posts. 0:06:45.253 --> 0:06:49.813 So he had the support largely of the senior players 0:06:49.893 --> 0:06:52.573 of that group. And again, you don't have that sort 0:06:52.613 --> 0:06:59.733 of response without that support, without that unity, and Raiser 0:06:59.773 --> 0:07:03.853 didn't have that increasingly, and his regime deteriorated because he 0:07:04.453 --> 0:07:07.853 lost the dressing room because the messages weren't getting. 0:07:07.453 --> 0:07:09.933 Through, game planers flowed. 0:07:10.093 --> 0:07:13.813 That's right, And the stark reality for me, Elliott is 0:07:14.053 --> 0:07:18.293 if you compare the last four All Blacks tests against 0:07:18.293 --> 0:07:21.013 the Box prior to this one, they lead all of those, 0:07:21.133 --> 0:07:25.293 even the one at Wellington, the record loss. They led 0:07:25.293 --> 0:07:27.773 that game at halftime. So all four of those games 0:07:27.813 --> 0:07:31.813 they collapsed to some degree in the second half. And 0:07:31.853 --> 0:07:36.253 that was the crippling element of Razors regime. After halftime, 0:07:36.293 --> 0:07:39.093 when the coaches are delivering the messages, they fell to 0:07:39.093 --> 0:07:43.533 pieces in those three quarters. Well, the All Blacks flipped 0:07:43.573 --> 0:07:46.053 the script and had that last quarter suage. They won 0:07:46.093 --> 0:07:50.453 the second half twenty one points to three, and there's 0:07:50.493 --> 0:07:54.773 many elements to that, but you don't do that if 0:07:54.813 --> 0:07:59.293 you're not aligned with the coaches, if your team's not unified. 0:07:59.373 --> 0:08:02.373 So I think there is comparisons in terms of the 0:08:02.373 --> 0:08:06.133 player support that Fossy had and Renny. 0:08:06.573 --> 0:08:09.213 Big moments in the game. With the fifty five minute 0:08:09.333 --> 0:08:12.853 scrum penalty that New Zealand got and they were under 0:08:12.893 --> 0:08:17.693 their sticks. South Africa would win a scrum penalty, scrum again, 0:08:17.733 --> 0:08:22.613 win a scrump penalty, scrum again, and then the script 0:08:22.613 --> 0:08:25.933 flips and the All Blacks win a scrump penalty under 0:08:25.973 --> 0:08:30.013 immense pressure on their line and with the scrum buckling 0:08:30.173 --> 0:08:32.733 couple of replacement props to so offered a moor out 0:08:32.733 --> 0:08:35.693 there as well, and they turned the tables on South Africa. 0:08:36.093 --> 0:08:38.293 They don't win that, and as you mentioned at the top, 0:08:38.413 --> 0:08:41.613 the game might quickly unravel, but there's no doubt that 0:08:41.613 --> 0:08:44.213 that was the ultimate turning point in the contest for mine. 0:08:46.293 --> 0:08:49.253 That's fifty fifth minute mark. The Springboks had five scrum 0:08:49.333 --> 0:08:52.653 penalties to that point. They their starting front row did 0:08:52.693 --> 0:08:56.773 an absolute number on the All Blacks. Now Nathan the groups. 0:08:57.213 --> 0:09:00.613 Dave Renny revealed that he left the Captain's run early 0:09:00.733 --> 0:09:02.933 on the Friday before the game and spent a large 0:09:02.973 --> 0:09:05.933 time in bed. He was sick, so maybe that had 0:09:05.973 --> 0:09:07.053 some contributing well. 0:09:07.093 --> 0:09:08.693 He also went down with a knee injury as well 0:09:08.733 --> 0:09:11.853 early in the game and then was getting warped by 0:09:12.293 --> 0:09:15.493 wilco Low and then had the head clash. 0:09:15.693 --> 0:09:18.173 With Georsh Lord's so tough hold for us. 0:09:18.253 --> 0:09:20.413 Yeah, had roughold twenty four hours for Ethan the group. 0:09:20.693 --> 0:09:23.013 But the All Blacks couldn't lay the scrum platform early. 0:09:23.333 --> 0:09:24.973 You know, that was always mentioned as a key part 0:09:25.013 --> 0:09:28.413 of the game, and they couldn't even get parity until 0:09:28.773 --> 0:09:29.573 later on the game. 0:09:29.653 --> 0:09:32.373 It was a complete demolition job and on both sides 0:09:32.373 --> 0:09:35.973 of the scrum ox Niche was he got the wood 0:09:36.013 --> 0:09:38.813 over Tyrol Lomax. The scrum is back pedaling. I had 0:09:38.853 --> 0:09:41.413 some concerns prior to the match about the bull carrying 0:09:41.733 --> 0:09:43.453 within the All Black pack. I think that came to 0:09:43.453 --> 0:09:46.493 fruition and I think they did miss Patrick two Polow too, 0:09:46.493 --> 0:09:49.653 because along with the replacement front row, I think to 0:09:49.813 --> 0:09:53.293 perv going into Locke from blind sides did help shore 0:09:53.373 --> 0:09:55.853 up that scrum a wee bit because George Bauer came 0:09:55.893 --> 0:09:58.853 on and went into Lock and that did seem to 0:09:58.853 --> 0:10:03.413 make a difference. And also ox Niche was replaced the 0:10:03.533 --> 0:10:07.813 spring box loose head prop at the forty fifth minute mark, 0:10:07.933 --> 0:10:10.773 so I think if he stays on the field, I 0:10:10.773 --> 0:10:12.413 don't know how much gas he's got left in the 0:10:12.413 --> 0:10:15.373 tank because he was under an injury cloud pre match, 0:10:15.373 --> 0:10:16.973 but if he's on that field, I don't know. The 0:10:17.013 --> 0:10:19.053 All Blacks won that scrump penalty on their own line, 0:10:19.053 --> 0:10:21.893 but he's one of the world's best scrummages. So there's 0:10:21.973 --> 0:10:25.453 lots of different moments with the moments, aren't there. But 0:10:26.213 --> 0:10:29.653 the starting box front row demolitian job, and you're right 0:10:29.733 --> 0:10:32.813 that the All Blacks front row, and I think George 0:10:32.813 --> 0:10:34.013 Bauer got a lot of credit. 0:10:34.253 --> 0:10:35.293 I suffer on Moore. 0:10:35.213 --> 0:10:40.373 Was a tank and Fletcher newl big performance, but to 0:10:40.933 --> 0:10:43.253 going into Locke as well and ox Niche coming off, 0:10:43.573 --> 0:10:48.853 I think they were big elements in the remarkable flip 0:10:48.933 --> 0:10:49.613 of that dynamic. 0:10:49.693 --> 0:10:51.373 Yeah, it's quite remarkable because we didn't get a scrum 0:10:51.453 --> 0:10:53.653 until the fifteen minute Lark, so it was a long 0:10:53.693 --> 0:10:55.853 way for the first scrum. And you look at the stats, 0:10:55.893 --> 0:10:59.253 the All Blacks fit fifteen stafage is four, so a 0:10:59.293 --> 0:11:01.733 lot of the All Blacks going back pedling was on 0:11:01.773 --> 0:11:02.333 their own ball. 0:11:02.733 --> 0:11:05.413 Yeah, and that also speaks to the spring Box wasteful 0:11:06.973 --> 0:11:10.453 of opportunities. They committed twin twenty three turnovers and Dave 0:11:10.493 --> 0:11:13.453 Reni spoke a lot in there about the Box being 0:11:13.453 --> 0:11:18.213 the best team at converting and the twenty two well 0:11:18.373 --> 0:11:19.933 they flipped that script as well, didn't they. 0:11:20.093 --> 0:11:23.013 The Blacks had nine entries to South Africa's ten and 0:11:23.093 --> 0:11:26.773 leaving with average of three point six points to zero 0:11:26.853 --> 0:11:27.373 point seven. 0:11:27.693 --> 0:11:30.213 Yeah, and I think the Box average five point five 0:11:30.253 --> 0:11:36.533 points per inch generally so and all Bcks defense, yes, 0:11:36.533 --> 0:11:38.813 a massive scrambling defense. Look, I thought Jordi Barrett, he 0:11:38.853 --> 0:11:41.813 was my man of the match, made fifteen tackles, he 0:11:41.893 --> 0:11:45.373 got five turnovers. He was the guy who dislodged the 0:11:45.373 --> 0:11:48.733 ball from Malcolm Marx. If the Box score there, maybe 0:11:48.773 --> 0:11:50.373 it's a different game as well that they had the 0:11:50.853 --> 0:11:54.173 heat on. He loses the ball just out and there 0:11:54.253 --> 0:11:56.813 was at least one other time when Jordi Barrett strips 0:11:56.813 --> 0:11:57.733 the ball in contact. 0:11:59.053 --> 0:12:01.653 He was a massive effort. 0:12:01.933 --> 0:12:04.973 It was. It was huge. Let's stick into some of 0:12:04.973 --> 0:12:08.253 the other key moments of the game. The All Blacks 0:12:08.453 --> 0:12:11.533 heading the front early with the will Jordan Trith or 0:12:11.533 --> 0:12:14.973 Cam Reguard. Maybe it was best match. He's really kicking wise, 0:12:15.053 --> 0:12:18.493 but I thought his passing was really really good. Really 0:12:18.573 --> 0:12:22.533 Crisp just probably failed. Was one game one moment where 0:12:22.533 --> 0:12:23.693 he got the All Blacks out of a bit of 0:12:23.733 --> 0:12:25.813 trouble on their own line and the food spell got 0:12:25.853 --> 0:12:29.373 that much about the forty five meter mark. But what 0:12:29.493 --> 0:12:31.893 Rygud was able to do with those bullet passes on 0:12:31.933 --> 0:12:33.733 either flag and they used the short side a lot 0:12:33.773 --> 0:12:35.773 in that game, I thought was really really good. 0:12:36.053 --> 0:12:39.853 Yeah, I thought Regard was excellent, to be honest. His 0:12:39.973 --> 0:12:41.893 kicking game was good. He tried to snipe a couple 0:12:41.893 --> 0:12:44.373 of times, and his booming boot definitely helped. And I 0:12:44.373 --> 0:12:47.773 thought the All Blex kicking game in general increasingly got better. 0:12:48.973 --> 0:12:51.653 You had Roy guards, you had Quinta pile that telling 0:12:52.653 --> 0:12:56.253 fifty twenty two. Jeordi Barrett put one in late as well, 0:12:57.413 --> 0:13:00.893 so I thought they varied their game well. And yeah, 0:13:00.933 --> 0:13:03.093 with Roy guards, the Alblecks had a lot of success 0:13:03.133 --> 0:13:05.413 on the edge they went to Tupuvai when he was 0:13:05.413 --> 0:13:08.293 at blindside early on the on the edges and number 0:13:08.453 --> 0:13:13.093 of times he got that off float away for Josh Morby. 0:13:13.533 --> 0:13:15.773 But that's really where they made their meters. We mentioned 0:13:15.813 --> 0:13:18.453 the post contact meters and the lack of them, and 0:13:18.813 --> 0:13:20.613 I think that speaks to the lack of ball carriers 0:13:20.613 --> 0:13:25.213 in the pack. The line speed and the gag tackling 0:13:25.253 --> 0:13:28.013 from the Box was very effective and it was largely 0:13:28.053 --> 0:13:31.613 bill Black's backs that made the meters or certainly wider 0:13:31.653 --> 0:13:33.853 out that bill backs couldn't make a lot of headway 0:13:33.893 --> 0:13:37.453 through the middle, so I think that's something they needed 0:13:37.453 --> 0:13:41.733 to address. And also the high ball the spring Box 0:13:41.973 --> 0:13:44.693 used kept from the base a lot with Grant Williams 0:13:44.893 --> 0:13:48.213 if they've been holland charged them down. Once Sasha gotten 0:13:48.293 --> 0:13:50.293 up and under, he regathered it. So the Box certainly 0:13:50.333 --> 0:13:51.933 won the aerial battle they did. 0:13:52.173 --> 0:13:55.533 And again this goes in spite of everything, the hill 0:13:55.573 --> 0:13:59.613 Blacks were able to find a way the aerial battle. 0:13:59.613 --> 0:14:02.693 They couldn't contain it. Obviously, they're using the wingers going 0:14:02.733 --> 0:14:05.493 backwards and a couple occasions they had success with that, 0:14:06.373 --> 0:14:07.933 but by and large, so I forgot we were able 0:14:08.013 --> 0:14:10.693 to them where they wanted to. But I thought South 0:14:10.733 --> 0:14:14.413 Africa were rather limited in their attack and Yas Visa 0:14:14.493 --> 0:14:17.013 carried hard. I think he made the most meters in 0:14:17.053 --> 0:14:20.853 the game quite comfortably. Easter Hays and I thought carried 0:14:20.933 --> 0:14:25.333 strongly as well Peter Steph on occasion. But it just 0:14:25.333 --> 0:14:27.213 painted the difference, I guess between the two teams. The 0:14:27.253 --> 0:14:29.973 All Blacks look for a couple of strong carries and 0:14:30.013 --> 0:14:31.933 then looked to send it wide or find it a 0:14:32.013 --> 0:14:37.093 midfield overlap or a mismatch, yeah, or to kick or 0:14:37.133 --> 0:14:39.173 to kick, whereas South Africa were just looking to bash 0:14:39.213 --> 0:14:42.053 the line and then they had they had success with that, 0:14:42.173 --> 0:14:44.453 but then they got to a point and they weren't 0:14:44.453 --> 0:14:46.893 really able to go any further, didn't have the variations 0:14:47.973 --> 0:14:50.373 or the ability to back up quickly and use Visa 0:14:50.413 --> 0:14:52.413 again or whatever it might have been to really trouble 0:14:52.453 --> 0:14:53.213 the All Blacks. 0:14:53.533 --> 0:14:56.933 Well, their strength was there r Kelly's Hill, their their 0:14:56.973 --> 0:15:02.293 the ego took over. Just going to the scrum and 0:15:02.453 --> 0:15:04.013 just going to the air is not going to be 0:15:04.133 --> 0:15:07.973 enough five tries to one, like, you have to do more, 0:15:08.613 --> 0:15:12.253 And I think that painted a stark reality. We talked 0:15:12.253 --> 0:15:15.133 about those entries into the twenty two. Will just use 0:15:15.173 --> 0:15:17.173 the ball a little bit more, do something different, change 0:15:17.173 --> 0:15:19.533 it up. One of the South African Juno has mentioned 0:15:19.533 --> 0:15:22.813 to me after the game that referees very rarely world 0:15:22.813 --> 0:15:27.093 ward five six five six penalties for the same offense. 0:15:27.373 --> 0:15:32.133 And the All Blacks won that moment. But the spring 0:15:32.213 --> 0:15:34.853 Box need more variety and what they did they did 0:15:34.893 --> 0:15:37.253 exceptionally well, but it was limited. As you said, it 0:15:37.293 --> 0:15:41.013 was conservative as predictable. They need to throw something else 0:15:41.013 --> 0:15:41.653 at the All Blacks. 0:15:41.693 --> 0:15:43.853 Will they let Tony Brown off the chaining for this week? 0:15:43.893 --> 0:15:45.933 Will be able to do anything? 0:15:45.973 --> 0:15:49.573 Why bother having him in the coaching him? If you're 0:15:49.573 --> 0:15:51.573 not going to use him, he's put in a box. 0:15:51.773 --> 0:15:54.413 He's That was pure Russy And it was the same 0:15:54.413 --> 0:15:57.733 at Eden Park and their defeat there. That was a 0:15:57.893 --> 0:16:03.293 very old conservative team and performance. And then the next 0:16:03.293 --> 0:16:07.733 week I heard that that team that they selected and 0:16:07.773 --> 0:16:10.693 they named it on the Monday. Russy's just gone in 0:16:10.733 --> 0:16:14.013 and said we're naming this team and the assistant coaches 0:16:14.013 --> 0:16:16.733 were like, what He's completely changed the script. But the 0:16:16.773 --> 0:16:19.773 way they played certainly had a lot more Tony Ball 0:16:19.853 --> 0:16:23.413 in it that didn't it. And so you've got him 0:16:23.413 --> 0:16:25.413 in the mix. He's one of the best attacking mines 0:16:25.453 --> 0:16:27.933 in the game. And you've got some talent there. You've 0:16:27.933 --> 0:16:31.893 got Sasha, You've got Villains and Colby, Grant Williams, all 0:16:31.933 --> 0:16:33.973 these players, but you're not utilizing them well. 0:16:33.973 --> 0:16:36.853 Films tore the All Blacks to shreds last year in Wellington. 0:16:36.893 --> 0:16:41.773 He was excellent and played some had some wonderful lines 0:16:41.773 --> 0:16:44.653 that the All Blacks just couldn't handle, but didn't feel 0:16:44.693 --> 0:16:48.133 like he had any real opportunities in that game to 0:16:48.173 --> 0:16:52.253 speak of. He was well contained, but also didn't get 0:16:52.293 --> 0:16:53.973 any chances really to show what he can do. 0:16:54.333 --> 0:16:56.773 Yeah, maybe the box are worried about their fitness and conditioning. 0:16:57.733 --> 0:16:59.453 I don't think they can live with the All Blacks, 0:17:00.293 --> 0:17:02.853 but they can play a little bit more without playing 0:17:02.973 --> 0:17:03.533 too much. 0:17:03.973 --> 0:17:05.933 Yeah. Absolutely, And that kind of goes back to the 0:17:05.933 --> 0:17:09.493 point around Little Black surging in the fine quarter is 0:17:09.493 --> 0:17:13.893 that apart from the reserve props and from the back 0:17:13.973 --> 0:17:19.013 up front row, there was no standout performance from the reserves. 0:17:19.533 --> 0:17:23.413 It was all starters that were able to find their 0:17:23.453 --> 0:17:25.893 way through in that last twenty minutes and have some 0:17:25.973 --> 0:17:29.293 big moments. And yeah, this wasn't the bombs. The All 0:17:29.333 --> 0:17:31.493 Blacks bomb squad of the reserves lifting them up. It 0:17:31.573 --> 0:17:34.373 was very much the starters, you know, being able to 0:17:34.453 --> 0:17:37.053 roll over the top of the South African bomb squad 0:17:37.093 --> 0:17:38.013 in the closing stages. 0:17:38.133 --> 0:17:38.773 Yeah, well that's right. 0:17:38.813 --> 0:17:43.813 They did nullify the Box bomb squad and that replacement 0:17:43.853 --> 0:17:46.213 front row made a big impact. But three of the 0:17:46.213 --> 0:17:49.973 All Black's bench, Kyle Preston, Antonina Brown and Peter Luckeye 0:17:49.973 --> 0:17:53.653 were used for five minutes, so that speaks to your point. 0:17:53.653 --> 0:17:57.213 This wasn't the All Black's Bench on mass surging over 0:17:57.213 --> 0:18:00.733 the top. And again that speaks to the All Blacks 0:18:03.813 --> 0:18:06.493 formulating their own game plan, not meeting fire with fire, 0:18:06.653 --> 0:18:09.013 not having to have their own bomb squad per se, 0:18:09.533 --> 0:18:15.093 but finding energy and finding ways to counter what the 0:18:15.093 --> 0:18:17.693 Box are going to bring, particularly in that final quarter. 0:18:18.253 --> 0:18:21.773 But one swallow doesn't make a summer. And I think 0:18:22.013 --> 0:18:25.933 Russy got his bench elections wrong. He I think the 0:18:26.013 --> 0:18:29.333 lack of an outside back was exposed. They lost one 0:18:29.333 --> 0:18:32.733 of their wingers early in the ninth minute and Kolbe 0:18:32.813 --> 0:18:37.813 went off late. Esta Hasan had already been used, Crell 0:18:37.853 --> 0:18:39.253 had to go to the wing. There was a lot 0:18:39.253 --> 0:18:43.853 of moving parts there and the composition of their front rowers. 0:18:43.893 --> 0:18:46.373 I think they had a lot of traditional tight heads. 0:18:46.373 --> 0:18:50.053 The hooker ended up playing reserve, howker ended up playing prop. 0:18:50.173 --> 0:18:55.173 So I think we can expect big changes both in 0:18:55.253 --> 0:19:00.413 personnel and particularly with the composition of that bench because 0:19:00.413 --> 0:19:03.733 the bomb scored. Look, it's a fundamental part of their DNA. 0:19:03.813 --> 0:19:06.373 It's such a source of pride. They've come back and 0:19:06.413 --> 0:19:08.853 won so many games. You even think to the twenty 0:19:08.853 --> 0:19:12.253 twenty three World Cup, they won three successive knockout matches 0:19:12.253 --> 0:19:14.813 by one point, and that speaks to their ability to 0:19:14.933 --> 0:19:19.173 rise above pressure. Well, they floundered. Look at the way 0:19:19.213 --> 0:19:21.653 the game ended. They were panicking, they got two yellow cards, 0:19:21.653 --> 0:19:22.373 they shot the bed. 0:19:22.493 --> 0:19:24.293 Yeah well yeah. And the All Blacks, on the other hand, 0:19:24.293 --> 0:19:27.853 were pretty calm and confident that they could close the 0:19:27.893 --> 0:19:29.573 game out if they got down the right end of 0:19:29.573 --> 0:19:32.413 the field. And sure enough, that ten point ly ballooned 0:19:32.413 --> 0:19:35.773 out to a seventeen point advantage by the end of 0:19:35.773 --> 0:19:37.973 the game. And you know, it's probably typified by that 0:19:38.333 --> 0:19:43.093 couple of moments where the referee looks at the TMO 0:19:43.213 --> 0:19:46.453 intervenes and looks at the Ardie Savier. He contact on 0:19:46.533 --> 0:19:51.013 visa is cleared by Matthew Carley and then I'm not 0:19:51.013 --> 0:19:53.533 sure how this wasn't spotted at the time by Armasha 0:19:53.613 --> 0:19:57.453 Kelly on the touch line all Carli himself, but Carl 0:19:57.493 --> 0:20:01.293 Dixon on the far touch spotted it that maybe they 0:20:01.333 --> 0:20:03.773 should look at Canroygar being taken. 0:20:03.533 --> 0:20:06.093 Off the ball clear sinacorn in front. 0:20:06.173 --> 0:20:08.333 And so that's a yellow card. And then a minute 0:20:09.413 --> 0:20:13.853 passes knockdown by Rayanak and he goes in the burn. 0:20:13.853 --> 0:20:15.493 It's fifteen on thirty and the All Blacks close it 0:20:15.493 --> 0:20:17.933 out from there, and that was them. Yeah, you can't 0:20:17.973 --> 0:20:19.893 bank on yellow cards, but it was them trusting that 0:20:20.013 --> 0:20:22.093 at the right areas of the ground they'll come away 0:20:22.133 --> 0:20:26.093 with the points and will Jordan after almost being giving 0:20:26.093 --> 0:20:27.853 it to Creole and passing the ball back to curling 0:20:27.893 --> 0:20:29.613 Butter and his touch. Then they went back and score 0:20:29.853 --> 0:20:31.373 the next time to really close it out. But they 0:20:31.413 --> 0:20:33.773 trusted that they if they played it right areas of 0:20:33.773 --> 0:20:35.613 the park, would be able to lock the game down. 0:20:36.253 --> 0:20:38.053 Yeah, look, we probably need to eat a bit of 0:20:38.093 --> 0:20:42.213 humble pie. We were reasonably critical or worried about Matthew Carley. 0:20:44.333 --> 0:20:48.253 He's had a pension for cards. He's quite pedantic and 0:20:48.293 --> 0:20:49.853 it's very easy to say, in the context of an 0:20:49.853 --> 0:20:53.013 all Black win. But how refreshing was it to see 0:20:53.053 --> 0:20:55.133 him just tell the t motor bugger off, yeah and 0:20:55.173 --> 0:20:56.133 make his own mind up. 0:20:56.653 --> 0:20:58.653 I love that And he was right. 0:20:58.933 --> 0:21:03.173 The contact with Ardie Severe was body first and you 0:21:03.213 --> 0:21:05.853 can see it with the head coming forward. So I 0:21:05.893 --> 0:21:08.653 think he got that decision one hundred percent correct. And 0:21:08.853 --> 0:21:10.933 there was one earlier as involving look. 0:21:10.853 --> 0:21:13.893 Jacob jameson clearing out. I can't remember it was Visa 0:21:14.133 --> 0:21:15.893 or Easter Hazing off the top of my head, but. 0:21:16.013 --> 0:21:17.373 That one was probably a bit marginal. 0:21:17.493 --> 0:21:20.933 Well yes, but I think again that was the right 0:21:21.013 --> 0:21:22.373 cause no foul played there. 0:21:23.493 --> 0:21:24.773 It wasn't it was. 0:21:24.813 --> 0:21:27.413 It was in the actor clearing out. It wasn't maliciously 0:21:27.453 --> 0:21:31.613 taking the player off the ball, and so there's got 0:21:31.613 --> 0:21:33.173 to be a bit of leeway, and I think Matthew 0:21:33.173 --> 0:21:36.173 Carlely applied it that it was a It's probably not 0:21:36.173 --> 0:21:38.053