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Speaker 1: Another agree to disagree moment for the coalition. New Zealand

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Speaker 1: First doesn't like the new skilled residency pathways announced today.

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Speaker 1: Government says we need them to attract and retain good

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Speaker 1: migrant workers. Businesses need them. They are thankful. Shane Jones,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand First Deputy. How do you like the sound

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Speaker 1: of that, Shane?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it is invoking the agree to disagree.

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Speaker 1: But no one should be surprised, no, because it's immigration.

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Speaker 1: But you've come out and said we take them in,

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Speaker 1: we train them up, we upskill them, we look after

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Speaker 1: their families, and then they emigrate. But in this case

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Speaker 1: that's not true at all.

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Speaker 2: Is it an actual fact? Over the next three years,

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Speaker 2: we're likely to see another seventy or eighty thousand people

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Speaker 2: with a pathway to residency that's accelerated and in short

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Speaker 2: time they will become citizens. And the government statistician has

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Speaker 2: already pointed out earlier this year thirty percent of the

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Speaker 2: people going to Australia and then qualifying for residency and

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Speaker 2: citizenship over there born in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's the proportion of foreign born New Zealander

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Speaker 1: is currently roughly the same, So it's proportional. Right.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, it's not not, the statistician said.

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Speaker 2: The statistician said, those of us who are native New

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Speaker 2: Zealand as born here, represent a smaller percentage of those

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Speaker 2: who are fleeing New Zealand qualifying for Australian entitlements whilst

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Speaker 2: we train them, care for them, nurture them here in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: But when shown we're not training them. They're coming here,

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Speaker 1: they're already skilled, they have qualifications, they need to have

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Speaker 1: had five years relevant experience, including at least two in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not so much that we're not acknowledging

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Speaker 2: that they're not already here. The portion that we differed

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Speaker 2: on is that those particular people they were able to

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Speaker 2: stay here. We were willing to extend their entitlements to

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Speaker 2: continue to work here. We just don't agree that we

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Speaker 2: should fast track their residency, uplift continue the folly that

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Speaker 2: Jacinda bought in whereabout sharing.

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Speaker 1: These are businesses, These are regional New Zealand businesses that

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Speaker 1: you supposedly care about who are crying out and they're

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Speaker 1: saying extending that on the whim of a minister is

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Speaker 1: not a lifestyle that these guys would tolerate and they'll

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Speaker 1: bugger off and then the business is up up at

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Speaker 1: Shripe Craig.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But the deeper problem that we've got to grapple with,

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Speaker 2: and it may prove to be that no government wants

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Speaker 2: to deal with it, is that we have something like

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Speaker 2: ninety thousand to one hundred thousand of these wretched young

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Speaker 2: needs were not working. We've got a track record since

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, since two thousand and two of continually trying

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Speaker 2: to solve this problem by relying upon immigration. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: wrong with New Zealand first drawing a line in the

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Speaker 2: sand and saying we need to take a hard line

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Speaker 2: and also have a harder line on the ensuring it's Shane.

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Speaker 1: That's great, But as you said, and you've been in

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Speaker 1: three governments over that time that you've just identified, no

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Speaker 1: one has fixed the problem. In the meantime, what do

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Speaker 1: you say to those businesses who need them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but those businesses have already got them. And I

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Speaker 2: say to the businesses, sure, I understand, I was the

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Speaker 2: chairman of Sea Lords. I thoroughly understand we're not economic ludites.

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Speaker 2: But at what point do you stop fast Trekking residency,

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Speaker 2: changing the character of New Zealand's population, constantly pumping up

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Speaker 2: the tires of employers where we're not creating our own

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Speaker 2: kiwis to take these jobs. That's an existential challenge in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. For this is in title to highlight.

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Speaker 1: What about the two hundred thousand kwis on the doll.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't get me started off that, you know, as

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Speaker 2: well as argue, much to the chagrin of Jasinda, I

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Speaker 2: was the guy who said get the nefs off the couch.

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Speaker 1: And we didn't, and we haven't and there's more of

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Speaker 1: them been added daily, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, there's a variety of ways how you can

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Speaker 2: pump economy. Okay, you can massively expand immigration, which is

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Speaker 2: what Stephen Joyce and John Key did. But we're just

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Speaker 2: not up for that. We're up for the fact that

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Speaker 2: we are changing rapidly the character and the makeup of

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Speaker 2: our population without having gone to campaign on it. Now,

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Speaker 2: I accept that we've allowed the paper to go through

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Speaker 2: the policy in twenty twenty eight, it's going to be reviewed.

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Speaker 2: The Minister has the authority to put various occupations on

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Speaker 2: or off the green light, but we are where we.

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Speaker 1: Are Jane Jones, Deputy Leader of New Zealand first disagreeing

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