1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,507 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Bene 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk Deed be. 3 00:00:14,387 --> 00:00:19,307 Speaker 2: Your Sunday morning Christmas new nit the All Blacks on 4 00:00:20,707 --> 00:00:22,707 Speaker 2: twenty five seen. 5 00:00:23,307 --> 00:00:25,787 Speaker 3: Let's get you to Scotland and bring in a long 6 00:00:25,867 --> 00:00:30,027 Speaker 3: time Scottish rugby journalist with the off sideline, David Barnes 7 00:00:30,067 --> 00:00:33,467 Speaker 3: who watched on at Murrayfield. Thanks for joining us, David. 8 00:00:33,587 --> 00:00:37,347 Speaker 3: How gutted will Scotland be to let a really good 9 00:00:37,387 --> 00:00:40,107 Speaker 3: opportunity slip to finally beat the All Blacks? 10 00:00:40,827 --> 00:00:41,027 Speaker 1: Yeah? 11 00:00:41,227 --> 00:00:44,747 Speaker 2: Very gutted, very gutted the press conference so only two 12 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:46,707 Speaker 2: plot who I mean, you felt for the guy he 13 00:00:46,907 --> 00:00:50,547 Speaker 2: was you know, he's beside himself and you can understand why. 14 00:00:50,627 --> 00:00:52,587 Speaker 2: It's been a lot of long time and we've been 15 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:54,027 Speaker 2: close to you guys in the past, you know, the 16 00:00:54,107 --> 00:00:56,467 Speaker 2: last couple of years. I think, you know, it really 17 00:00:56,467 --> 00:00:57,867 Speaker 2: felt like we had you on the ropes, didn't it 18 00:00:57,947 --> 00:01:00,587 Speaker 2: with about twenty minutes to go. And I think in 19 00:01:00,627 --> 00:01:02,507 Speaker 2: the past we've gook closes. It's maybe because we've scored 20 00:01:02,547 --> 00:01:04,387 Speaker 2: a try against the run of player kind of sneaked 21 00:01:04,427 --> 00:01:05,907 Speaker 2: up on you. But as this time you kind of felt, 22 00:01:06,587 --> 00:01:10,787 Speaker 2: you know, felt like we'd we would finally crossed that 23 00:01:11,227 --> 00:01:12,707 Speaker 2: fal step that didn't quite make it. 24 00:01:13,307 --> 00:01:16,427 Speaker 3: So what was it that prevented that from happening? Have 25 00:01:16,507 --> 00:01:18,667 Speaker 3: you been able to sort of analyze and break down 26 00:01:19,107 --> 00:01:21,387 Speaker 3: what happened that that allowed the All Blacks to get 27 00:01:21,387 --> 00:01:22,067 Speaker 3: away with this one? 28 00:01:22,987 --> 00:01:24,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about it a bit after the game. 29 00:01:24,627 --> 00:01:26,547 Speaker 2: I think it was it was a fifty to twenty 30 00:01:26,547 --> 00:01:28,987 Speaker 2: two from Demon mackenzie. I think Demon McKenzie, you know, 31 00:01:30,027 --> 00:01:32,347 Speaker 2: it's the only called it a gut punch, you know, 32 00:01:32,627 --> 00:01:34,627 Speaker 2: and then he scored to try himself with this amazing 33 00:01:34,667 --> 00:01:36,907 Speaker 2: finish at the end. So I mean, I don't think 34 00:01:37,227 --> 00:01:39,667 Speaker 2: you know, we worried that Scotland a bottler as we 35 00:01:39,707 --> 00:01:41,387 Speaker 2: talk about, you know, we bottled big games. I think 36 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:43,587 Speaker 2: actually you have to give credit to the All Blacks. 37 00:01:43,667 --> 00:01:46,227 Speaker 2: Their bench had a bigger impact and Demon McKenzie was 38 00:01:46,267 --> 00:01:49,067 Speaker 2: the man for the moment in fairness, So in that sense, 39 00:01:49,427 --> 00:01:52,587 Speaker 2: while we're gutted, I think it's slightly easier to take that, 40 00:01:53,027 --> 00:01:55,987 Speaker 2: you know, it was just in the end probably the 41 00:01:56,027 --> 00:01:56,627 Speaker 2: better team one. 42 00:01:57,347 --> 00:01:59,347 Speaker 3: What did you say from the Scottish side that allowed 43 00:01:59,387 --> 00:02:02,267 Speaker 3: them to come back from seventeen nails down to level 44 00:02:02,347 --> 00:02:03,387 Speaker 3: things up? At seventeen o. 45 00:02:05,267 --> 00:02:10,427 Speaker 2: Bush I knew the answer. I mean, halftime, you know 46 00:02:10,507 --> 00:02:12,427 Speaker 2: you're thinking this is you know, this is dead and buried. 47 00:02:13,667 --> 00:02:15,627 Speaker 2: There are momentum team. These Scottish guys. They've got a 48 00:02:15,627 --> 00:02:17,787 Speaker 2: really talented back line. They've got guys, you know, game 49 00:02:17,867 --> 00:02:20,227 Speaker 2: breakers in the back line, and when they just get 50 00:02:20,267 --> 00:02:22,307 Speaker 2: in the flow, they're just really hard to live with. 51 00:02:22,467 --> 00:02:26,427 Speaker 2: I think we struggle up front, so you know, you know, 52 00:02:26,467 --> 00:02:29,507 Speaker 2: I think it's just we just need it. We need 53 00:02:30,707 --> 00:02:33,187 Speaker 2: we always need this kind of flash of inspiration somewhere 54 00:02:33,187 --> 00:02:34,827 Speaker 2: to get the momentum going. And then when they're going, 55 00:02:34,867 --> 00:02:36,947 Speaker 2: it's great, but we just don't have that grunt up 56 00:02:36,987 --> 00:02:42,027 Speaker 2: front to kind of you know, you know, the tone 57 00:02:42,067 --> 00:02:44,827 Speaker 2: ourselves almost which it sounds quite harsh, but I think 58 00:02:44,867 --> 00:02:46,067 Speaker 2: that's probably the reality of it. 59 00:02:46,867 --> 00:02:49,547 Speaker 3: What was the injury situation with Finn Russell. 60 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:52,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we spoke to Gregor turns In about it. 61 00:02:52,787 --> 00:02:56,427 Speaker 2: At the end he strained his knee. They don't think 62 00:02:56,467 --> 00:02:59,227 Speaker 2: it's too serious. You guys will be aware what the 63 00:02:59,267 --> 00:03:01,467 Speaker 2: good character of Finn is. Gregor did come and see 64 00:03:01,587 --> 00:03:04,027 Speaker 2: Finn tells me and so he played on and I 65 00:03:04,067 --> 00:03:05,427 Speaker 2: mean that was early on, and he played onto the 66 00:03:05,467 --> 00:03:07,547 Speaker 2: seventy fifth minute. The reason they took them off is 67 00:03:07,547 --> 00:03:09,627 Speaker 2: he also got an ankle knock after that, you know, 68 00:03:09,707 --> 00:03:11,667 Speaker 2: towards the end, so they'll think two injuries will be 69 00:03:11,667 --> 00:03:13,307 Speaker 2: getting to push for luck here. And I think by 70 00:03:13,387 --> 00:03:15,747 Speaker 2: that point we realized that we weren't going to win it. 71 00:03:16,027 --> 00:03:19,427 Speaker 2: But they seem confident that it's you know, it is 72 00:03:19,507 --> 00:03:21,347 Speaker 2: fairly minor and that you should be available for next 73 00:03:21,387 --> 00:03:22,827 Speaker 2: week or certainly not out long term. 74 00:03:23,747 --> 00:03:26,947 Speaker 3: Will they be a degree of pride once the dust 75 00:03:27,027 --> 00:03:30,347 Speaker 3: sails on this on this die, you know, or there 76 00:03:30,427 --> 00:03:32,987 Speaker 3: was frustration, yes, but they'll be pride also. 77 00:03:34,027 --> 00:03:34,267 Speaker 1: Yeah. 78 00:03:34,307 --> 00:03:36,667 Speaker 2: I think it looks like the headline for that, they'll said, 79 00:03:36,667 --> 00:03:41,467 Speaker 2: line piece, it's pretty and frustration after all of those lines. Yeah, 80 00:03:41,507 --> 00:03:43,267 Speaker 2: I think that's it, and I think quite rightly. 81 00:03:43,307 --> 00:03:43,347 Speaker 3: So. 82 00:03:43,507 --> 00:03:45,307 Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, you don't want to 83 00:03:45,347 --> 00:03:47,027 Speaker 2: go seventeen mil down against the All Blacks, but I 84 00:03:47,107 --> 00:03:49,227 Speaker 2: think to come back from that, you know, you have 85 00:03:49,347 --> 00:03:50,867 Speaker 2: to you have to hold the head, you know, and 86 00:03:51,147 --> 00:03:53,307 Speaker 2: and to get the All Blacks on on on the 87 00:03:53,387 --> 00:03:55,507 Speaker 2: ropes like they did, the huge amount of pride and 88 00:03:55,587 --> 00:03:57,067 Speaker 2: I said, we've been close to you guys in the 89 00:03:57,067 --> 00:03:58,467 Speaker 2: past on the school. But we've been ahead of you 90 00:03:58,547 --> 00:04:00,067 Speaker 2: going into the final quarter. But I think that was 91 00:04:00,067 --> 00:04:02,587 Speaker 2: the first time where you really felt, you know, that 92 00:04:02,707 --> 00:04:05,787 Speaker 2: the Scotland were in control. So I mean, it's frustrating 93 00:04:05,787 --> 00:04:07,267 Speaker 2: that we didn't fin off, but you know, I think, 94 00:04:08,507 --> 00:04:11,707 Speaker 2: you know, it's a gallant loser things. I think some 95 00:04:11,747 --> 00:04:13,547 Speaker 2: of the more cynical Scotts are sitting here saying, let's 96 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:15,147 Speaker 2: not say that. Let's you know, we need to be 97 00:04:15,467 --> 00:04:16,827 Speaker 2: we need to be a bit harder on the team. 98 00:04:17,027 --> 00:04:18,827 Speaker 2: We can't carry on being gallant losers. But I think 99 00:04:19,427 --> 00:04:22,707 Speaker 2: we just have to kind of I'm more optimistic than that, 100 00:04:22,867 --> 00:04:24,547 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think and I think the players should 101 00:04:24,587 --> 00:04:26,027 Speaker 2: certainly take a huge amount of pride from it. 102 00:04:26,387 --> 00:04:28,587 Speaker 3: So we now we're almost in the midway point of 103 00:04:28,627 --> 00:04:31,067 Speaker 3: the of the World cap cycle. How do you assays 104 00:04:31,507 --> 00:04:33,947 Speaker 3: where the Scotland rugby team is two years out from 105 00:04:33,947 --> 00:04:34,707 Speaker 3: the next World Cap. 106 00:04:36,747 --> 00:04:39,067 Speaker 2: I have to say I'm a lot more optimistic now 107 00:04:39,147 --> 00:04:42,187 Speaker 2: than I was a three or four hours ago before kickoff. 108 00:04:44,747 --> 00:04:47,907 Speaker 2: I mean, we're in quite good We've got you know, 109 00:04:48,467 --> 00:04:50,227 Speaker 2: you know, we're missing Xander Fagas and the tight end 110 00:04:50,267 --> 00:04:53,427 Speaker 2: prop today and I have to say, Darcy re stood up. 111 00:04:53,427 --> 00:04:56,187 Speaker 2: But you know, we're We've got really good strength and 112 00:04:56,267 --> 00:04:59,067 Speaker 2: depths a certain areas, we're kind of thin in other areas. 113 00:04:59,587 --> 00:05:02,427 Speaker 2: We still don't have a pack that can dominate the position. 114 00:05:03,587 --> 00:05:10,307 Speaker 2: So I think, I think we're okay, We're okay, But yeah, 115 00:05:10,547 --> 00:05:13,187 Speaker 2: I just you know, the last two World Cups have 116 00:05:14,187 --> 00:05:15,667 Speaker 2: haven't gone well for us, so I'm just I'm love 117 00:05:15,747 --> 00:05:17,267 Speaker 2: to get too excited about it at the moment, but 118 00:05:17,347 --> 00:05:19,387 Speaker 2: we're okay. I mean, it's the last it's the last 119 00:05:19,427 --> 00:05:21,307 Speaker 2: rule of the dice for you know, for this generation 120 00:05:21,347 --> 00:05:23,107 Speaker 2: of players. You know, Stuart Hogg's already gone, but Finn 121 00:05:23,187 --> 00:05:25,587 Speaker 2: Russell's thirty two, thirty three. Now you know it'll be 122 00:05:25,587 --> 00:05:27,267 Speaker 2: thirty four by the saying the World Cup comes around. 123 00:05:27,747 --> 00:05:30,227 Speaker 2: You know, we've got to do it now or you know, 124 00:05:30,227 --> 00:05:31,787 Speaker 2: I think you do not do it. I don't think 125 00:05:31,827 --> 00:05:33,027 Speaker 2: we're gonna win the World Cup, but you know, kind 126 00:05:33,027 --> 00:05:34,587 Speaker 2: of have a real, a real go at it to 127 00:05:34,707 --> 00:05:37,747 Speaker 2: get to a quarter finals and this is this is 128 00:05:37,827 --> 00:05:39,507 Speaker 2: it's got to be now and never really I think for. 129 00:05:39,587 --> 00:05:43,787 Speaker 3: Us and Murrayfield as always just explained it from from 130 00:05:43,867 --> 00:05:45,667 Speaker 3: twelve thousand mills a while and now it's a place 131 00:05:45,707 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 3: you've been too often one hundred year celebration this way, Kane, 132 00:05:49,587 --> 00:05:50,507 Speaker 3: how was the occasion? 133 00:05:51,427 --> 00:05:53,387 Speaker 2: It was? It was, I have to say it was excellent. 134 00:05:53,947 --> 00:05:55,307 Speaker 2: You know in that period in the middle of the 135 00:05:55,347 --> 00:05:58,107 Speaker 2: second half, when Scotland were on top and there's a 136 00:05:58,187 --> 00:06:01,947 Speaker 2: kind of impromptu you know, Flowers Scotland took off and 137 00:06:01,987 --> 00:06:03,987 Speaker 2: it echoed around the stadium and it's as loud as 138 00:06:04,027 --> 00:06:07,587 Speaker 2: I've heard that Flower Scotland been sang Mundyfield, So you know, 139 00:06:07,627 --> 00:06:10,507 Speaker 2: it was. It was a great atmosphere. There's a kind 140 00:06:10,547 --> 00:06:14,947 Speaker 2: of a new kind of matagment at the top of 141 00:06:14,987 --> 00:06:16,467 Speaker 2: the srut the moment, and they have spent a bit 142 00:06:16,467 --> 00:06:18,227 Speaker 2: of money kind of sprucing up the stadium and so 143 00:06:18,307 --> 00:06:20,107 Speaker 2: it's looking a lot better than it was, you know, 144 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:22,267 Speaker 2: because it's an old stadium now it's forty years old. 145 00:06:22,627 --> 00:06:25,627 Speaker 2: But it was looking great, the atmosphere and the only 146 00:06:25,627 --> 00:06:27,267 Speaker 2: two applaud we spoke about it at the end that 147 00:06:27,307 --> 00:06:28,507 Speaker 2: you know, that was the heirs on the back of 148 00:06:28,547 --> 00:06:31,027 Speaker 2: the neck when the when in Flower of Scotland was 149 00:06:31,227 --> 00:06:34,427 Speaker 2: echoing around the stadium. So you know, in that sense 150 00:06:34,867 --> 00:06:36,107 Speaker 2: it was a great day to be a Scotland fan 151 00:06:36,147 --> 00:06:36,667 Speaker 2: at Murrayfield. 152 00:06:36,707 --> 00:06:38,827 Speaker 3: I think brilliant stuff. Hi David, thank you for joining 153 00:06:38,907 --> 00:06:41,507 Speaker 3: us and staying up for us. Divid bands there out 154 00:06:41,547 --> 00:06:44,307 Speaker 3: of the off side line he writes for them. A 155 00:06:44,387 --> 00:06:47,507 Speaker 3: long time Scottish rugby journalist joining us here on News 156 00:06:47,587 --> 00:06:48,707 Speaker 3: talks Ed for. 157 00:06:48,827 --> 00:06:51,947 Speaker 1: More from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live to 158 00:06:52,107 --> 00:06:55,307 Speaker 1: News talks Ed by weekends from midday, or follow the 159 00:06:55,347 --> 00:06:56,827 Speaker 1: podcast on I HAD Radio.