1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: Zimby. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 2: All right, the police are up tight and upset, and 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: in fact they've said to be fuming over the very 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: light sentences handed down to fifteen people who were busted 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: at an anti myth operation Hawks Bay and Gisborne. Operation 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: Horizon was carried out back in twenty twenty one, and 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: one of those arrested was Aria Hubbard, a major player 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: in the meth supply chain for the Mango Marbin wide raw. 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: Only five of the people arrested got jail time, only five, 10 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: and Aria Hubbard was not one of those five. And 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: Chris Carhill actually joins us now as the Police Association president. 12 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: Hello Chris, Aft to know and Andrew, how do you 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: run a math supply chain for the Mungo marb and 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: dodge jail time? 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: All? This is the problem we've got. We're talking about 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: top end offenders here. We're not saying everyone should go 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: to jail and lock them up the key, but it's 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: the top end stuff and what we're saying is the 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: discount sort of apply. I'll give you a really bad example. 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: We've got one recently that a significant high end criminal 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: importing four k loads of a minute and the judge 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: to Cropt has described it as significant. High end starting 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: point of twelve years, gave twenty five percent off for 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: guilty plea after three years, twenty percent for cultural report, 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: ten percent for addiction issues, ten percent for impact that 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: have on family, ten percent for a brain injury, seventy 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: five percent discount. Throw in another twelve months because they've 28 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: been on alet trant Vale. That twelve year starting point 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: went to twelve months home d well. 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: Okay, well, hey, Chris Christ costumers, it does frustrate. It 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: frustrate to everybody. Let's talk about aria. Actually, let's talk 32 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: about that one starting point eight years. The judge was 33 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: Bridget Macintosh, then given a twenty five percent discount. Coasey 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: pleaded guilty. Fifteen percent discount for a deprived upbringing, even 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: though I thought cultural reports were gone, but it doesn't 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: seem so. Fifteen percent discount for rehabilitations. She'd undertaken ten 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: percent discount for the direct imprisonment or the impact imprisonment 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: would have on her four children. And so the sentence 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: went from eighty four months to twenty nine months. 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like judges do as much as they 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: can to get it down to the range where they 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: can then give home to tention and at some story 43 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: ignoring that it's not about all about the offender. It's 44 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: got to be about the deterrent, especially when the harm 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: meth's doing in society. I mean basis like wire are 46 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: wrecked by the men. That's the harm, the family harm 47 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: that curves them to distress all those sorts of things. 48 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: At least can I ask. 49 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: You one last question though, where they directed to do 50 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: all these discounts? 51 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: Well? 52 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: Have they come up with this idea on their own? 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: I think the clear direction about reducing the number of 54 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: people in prisons and limiting them to violent offenses and 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: sex offenses, and so drug dealers are getting the benefit 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: of that sort of direction. That's why I'm supportive of 57 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: them to reduce the amount of discoutching gurve to forty 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: and we'd like to see that low past. 59 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: All right, Chris, I thank you. That must be frustrating. 60 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: Chris Carhill are from the Police Association. 61 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: News Talks it' B from four pm weekdays, or follow 63 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.