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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather dup c Ellen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: let's get connected New stalksa'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. Police have

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Speaker 3: charged get this, nearly every single member of the common chiros.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to the coppers after five. The

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Speaker 3: defense has summed up in the Polkinghorn trial. We'll go

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Speaker 3: to court for that. And one in ten retailers have

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Speaker 3: been busted selling vapes and segee's to underage kids. I'll

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Speaker 3: get you across the detail.

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Speaker 1: Heather dupicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me say upfront that I do realize that

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Speaker 3: primary school teachers have got a lot of change coming

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Speaker 3: at them next year. And I realize that when you're

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Speaker 3: already working hard, being asked to work a little bit harder,

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Speaker 3: which is what change basically requires, can be a little tough.

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Speaker 3: But I think primary school teachers might need to just

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Speaker 3: take a moment and think about what they're constant complaining

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Speaker 3: sounds like to parents the latest round of complaining, and

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Speaker 3: Jesus has been a lot lately, hasn't there from the teachers.

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Speaker 3: The latest round of complaining is that primary teachers say

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Speaker 3: they're not going to be ready next year to teach

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Speaker 3: the maths in English curricula. The math's curriculum is still

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Speaker 3: not finalized. It will be finalized next month, and the

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Speaker 3: English one will be finalized finalized sometime in term four.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be unkind to teachers. They work

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Speaker 3: very hard. But I feel like if someone gave me

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Speaker 3: delivering it in February, I feel like that's enough time.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? What's that November, December, January,

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Speaker 3: head across and I actually, you know, be able to deliver.

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Speaker 3: And yes, I'd be working extra hours, But you know what,

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Speaker 3: being a grown up sucks. Sometimes life can be a

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Speaker 3: little hard, can't it. What teachers need to think about

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Speaker 3: here is that when they complain about everything at the moment.

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Speaker 3: On the other side of that debate are a bunch

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Speaker 3: of parents up and down this country of children who

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Speaker 3: only get one go at year one, they only get

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Speaker 3: year whatever, what that means to the parent is Johnny

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Speaker 3: not ready to teach the maths curriculum in year one properly,

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Speaker 3: Johnny's not gonna have a crack at it properly. I

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Speaker 3: will want to stress that I do realize teachers are

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Speaker 3: working hard, but they are also complaining a lot at

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Speaker 3: the moment about what is probably going to be positive

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Speaker 3: change for the education system. They've been complaining about the

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Speaker 3: maths curriculum. They've been complaining about the English curriculum. They've

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Speaker 3: been complaining about the NCAA Corequisite exams. They've been complaining

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Speaker 3: raging success. So this is what I think teachers need

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Speaker 3: to do. Pick your battles, okay, because some of the

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Speaker 3: stuff you will be right about, but a lot of

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Speaker 3: it you're gonna be wrong about. Pick your battles, fight

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Speaker 3: about what matters. Maybe complain a little less because there

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Speaker 3: are a lot of worried parents in this country who

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Speaker 3: do not like all of the complaining.

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Speaker 1: Heather due for the l nineteen months.

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Speaker 3: Here's the text number standard text fees applying. We're actually

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Speaker 3: going to talk to one of the principles about it.

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Speaker 3: He'll be with us just after half past five. Now

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Speaker 3: he's one of the complaining principles. To be fair, Now,

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Speaker 3: a study out of the Lancet Get a load of

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Speaker 3: this is warning that more than thirty nine million people

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Speaker 3: could die of antibiotic resistant infections between now and twenty fifty.

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Speaker 3: Researchers reckon that increasingly antibiotics are being overused, and they're

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Speaker 3: being misused. They're causing self and community based harm. John

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Speaker 3: Bonning as a specialist emergency physician and is with me. Now, Hey, John,

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Speaker 3: it's the header. Does this worry you.

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Speaker 1: Immensely?

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Speaker 5: And it has done for some time?

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Speaker 3: Are you seeing signs of it already?

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Speaker 1: We are?

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Speaker 5: Look that restarted was with the mrsa's been around for

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Speaker 5: a couple of decade. DSBL lots of those are the

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Speaker 5: MDRO multi drug resistant organisms are getting more and more,

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Speaker 5: and I think the prime driver is overuse of antibioticsuse.

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Speaker 3: Overuse for I mean, for how do you over use

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Speaker 5: Oh, they're significantly overprescribed. So research from the UK shows

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Speaker 5: that around seventy percent of antibiotics prescriptions occur in primary care,

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Speaker 5: fifty percent of primary care prescriptions are inappropriate given to

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Speaker 5: not only they're doing themselves a disservice by over using them,

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Speaker 5: but it's actually the community resistance that's growing as well.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're not supposed to use antibiotics for bronchitis.

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Speaker 5: No, Bronchitis is a viral illnes At the heart of material.

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Speaker 3: Is that at the heart of it that the doctor

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Speaker 3: looks at it and goes, you've got a virus, Let

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Speaker 5: So look, I don't want to impune doctors, in particular

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Speaker 5: primary care doctors. My colleagues and primary care working very hard.

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Speaker 5: It's partially pressure from the patient misunderstanding, short consultation times,

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Speaker 5: and a little bit of a fault of the healthcare practitioners.

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Speaker 5: We all need to take some responsibility, but the public

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Speaker 5: and public awareness of this is very, very important.

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Speaker 3: The thing about it is, John, I feel kind of

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Speaker 3: slightly helpless in this as just an individual, right because

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Speaker 3: being reasonably well informed, I have thought about this affair.

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Speaker 3: But when I'm getting myself prescribed an antibiotic, is there

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Speaker 3: anything really that I can do? Or frankly, if the

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Speaker 3: affect me anyway. Or is it something at an individual level?

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Speaker 5: There is something that at an individual level, and people

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Speaker 5: need to be open to conversations. I mean, I work clinically,

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Speaker 5: you know, most days, and I do get a lot

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Speaker 5: of pressure from patients that really, really really want an antibode.

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Speaker 5: They say, look, the only reason I'm consulting you today

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Speaker 5: is I want antibiotics. And you try to explain to them,

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Speaker 5: this is a virus. This will not be helped by antibiotics.

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Speaker 5: In fact, you will develop more resistance yourself. You'll add

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Speaker 5: to community resistance. So we want to change community expectations.

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Speaker 5: People to have a bit of an understanding what a

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Speaker 3: I could still catch one of those resistant bugs and die, couldn't.

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Speaker 5: I most definitely.

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Speaker 3: So there's nothing I can do if the world is

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Speaker 5: Now with the no, there's always something that you can do.

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Speaker 5: You can work yourself on, because then it does affect individuals.

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Speaker 5: If you take too many antibiotics for the wrong reason,

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Speaker 5: you personally will develop resistance, and then you personally will

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Speaker 5: need to have the high powered antibiotics that have much

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Speaker 3: If I don't take too many antibiotics in my life

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Speaker 3: and I catch one of those antibiotic resistant bugs, would

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Speaker 3: I still potentially be able to fight it off?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely? We look, they are all still treatable with different antibiotics.

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Speaker 5: MRSA can be treated with cootramoxazole. You know, clearly there

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Speaker 5: are superbugs. Some people carry these bugs and are not

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Speaker 5: harmed by them as well.

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Speaker 3: it's like, we're pretty healthy people for the most part,

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Speaker 3: and the people who are dying of these superbugs are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they are, they frequently, But some very healthy

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Speaker 5: people are catching illnesses, you know, and COVID with a

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Speaker 5: post agile for that and getting very unwell with them,

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Speaker 5: and some people die of me Ninja cockle disease, a terrible,

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Speaker 5: terrible disease, the pandemic, the epidemic of which has passed.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, look at and sometimes that's just a freak chance.

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Speaker 5: So there's always something that we can do as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, John, it's always good to talk to you. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate your expertise. Thanks mate. That's John Bonding, specialist,

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Speaker 3: emergency physician. He is right, though, a stop just chucking

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Speaker 3: the antibiotics in your face if you don't need it.

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Speaker 3: If it's a virus. I mean, the number of people

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Speaker 3: virus and a bacterial infection is slightly alarming, isn't it. Listen,

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Speaker 3: this guy who tried to take out Trump yesterday, turns

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Speaker 3: golf course. Never actually saw Donald Trump, by the way,

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Speaker 3: of just where he was on the golf course. And

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Speaker 3: I still feel like the Secret Service are coppying it

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Darcy water Grave, host of Sports talks with me. Hey,

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Speaker 3: does hors of spokes talk? Thanks mate? So Gregor Paul reckins,

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Speaker 3: we're becoming too tolerant of the all blacks losing.

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Speaker 6: What do you think, Well, I'm not about too tolerant.

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Speaker 6: We kind of have to become tolerant because we're not tolerant.

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Speaker 6: What happens now?

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Speaker 7: Do we just drop our toys and run off?

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Speaker 3: I guess the alternative is that you you basically keep back,

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Speaker 3: call for Razor's head, put pressure on them, you know

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Speaker 3: me in the street.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's going to really help. Tell them to get

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Speaker 6: a haircut. That that that that happens. This is not Robinson.

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Speaker 6: This has gone on before that. And Gregor makes the

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Speaker 6: point that during COVID, then post COVID, the results just

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Speaker 6: haven't been there. So are we maturing as in nation

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Speaker 6: and except oh we do this, do we go? The

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Speaker 6: rest of the world have gotten really, really good. The

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Speaker 6: competitions have changed immensely as where they're helld we're quite

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Speaker 6: weak in the southern hemisphere.

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Speaker 1: Does that?

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Speaker 8: Do you accept that?

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Speaker 6: Or do you say, right, we used to be world beaters.

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Speaker 6: We used to be at the forefront of everything.

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Speaker 7: We used to be that. Why are we that. Now,

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Speaker 7: what do we have to do, what has to change?

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Speaker 7: Is it even possible to change?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think the difference this time

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Speaker 3: around compared to other times we've give coaches a really

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Speaker 3: hard time is that we know how many years we've

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Speaker 3: actually sucked and how long it's going to take to

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Speaker 3: No, they got to the front of the world card.

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Speaker 7: They're just not that goodness the moment.

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Speaker 7: How long now, hundreds and hundreds of years.

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Speaker 6: it's okay being second or third.

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Speaker 3: Now you were not forever Darcy, just for now.

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Speaker 6: Look at South African rugby, right, they were not very

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Speaker 7: People are like, yeah, this is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: It raises the man to change that from one hundred

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Speaker 6: I've got Australia not to make a mess of it.

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Speaker 6: This weekend called it to six.

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Speaker 3: They're going to beat us, you know, yeah, they do.

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Speaker 7: Clocks right, twice a day.

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Speaker 6: I mean, every dog is his day, right, this is

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Speaker 3: Beat us hey very quickly, just because I don't have

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Speaker 7: No idea now?

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Speaker 3: But they bring something else a bit exotics.

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Speaker 6: they've released a new jersey which I'm sure we're.

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Speaker 7: Going to run out and buy, aren't you.

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Speaker 3: I don't really buy merch, but you know, if.

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Speaker 6: You buys merch, you do because okay, fine, yeah, all right, okay, fine,

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Speaker 3: Thank you for Sports Talk for twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know I hate a parking ticket, so how

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Speaker 3: She's just Tory, and you know who I'm talking about,

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Speaker 3: Tory Faro, mayor of Wellington. Tory says that life has

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Speaker 3: She's struggling to.

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Speaker 10: I've just sold my car recently to kind of help

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Speaker 3: how much Tory Faro takes home every week? Tory Faro

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Speaker 3: is on one hundred and eighty nine thousand, seven hundred

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Speaker 3: up right, We'll chuck in a couple of a couple

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Speaker 3: That is three hundred and six there's three thousand, six

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Speaker 3: She doesn't drink because she's sober. She says she didn't

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Speaker 1: Hard? Questions strong opinion?

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Speaker 2: Ever du for see allan drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 11: It ain't like I can make this car unless I'm

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Speaker 3: CMO masonry, Heather, don't you get tory FUNO also won

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Speaker 3: one point four million. Nowadays, you know, like that'll buy

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Speaker 3: million dollars would have brought you a pretty flash house

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Speaker 3: to be tread carefully here. Tread carefully because if you're

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Speaker 3: Be drive so starting in the States where Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: And then he talked about divine intervention.

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Speaker 1: There's something going on.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows. But when I turned my.

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Speaker 13: Head at an exact navy degree angle, the bullet game

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Speaker 14: Someone who's literally worse than Hitler, someone who's the greatest

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Speaker 3: Civility, Civility and joy. That's the Harris campaign. Everything's joy

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Speaker 3: It's not even true. They're encouraging this kind of violence.

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Speaker 3: And finally, see the world's oldest person has been honored

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Speaker 3: one of those days. Woman's name is Tomiko took it

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Speaker 16: Do you budget that Heaven?

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Speaker 2: International Correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old Ozzie correspondents with us Ho muz god I head.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you have to learn to you yea?

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Speaker 2: Are you following this?

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Speaker 3: Rupert Murdock succession drama.

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Speaker 17: Oh, I think everybody in the Australian media landscape is.

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Speaker 17: I mean, he's known as the dirty digger. Born in Australia.

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Speaker 17: But of course, and you know, he inherited News Corp

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Speaker 17: Sir Keith Murdoch. It was a small business then, only

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Speaker 17: Some years ago and the New York Times broke the story.

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Speaker 17: Australians like ossies who do well. But Rupert Murdoch at

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Speaker 17: It's just like it's playing out now, this family succession drama.

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Speaker 17: It's just like a television show. Now he's got four children,

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Speaker 17: But now Murdoch wants to change the terms of the

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Speaker 17: that the possibility of great damage being done to his

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Speaker 17: split between the children in terms of the future direction

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00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 17: of the company. He's worried the three lefties, if you like,

439
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 17: Lochlan's brother and his two sisters, will alter the direction

440
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 17: of his company. He's made billions by being a conservative

441
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 17: force in the media. He wants that to continue. It's

442
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 17: all behind closed doors, but there's going to be bits

443
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 17: and pieces coming out and ossie media types are fascinated.

444
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 3: Does he still get on with the other three who

445
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 3: are challenging him on this?

446
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: Look? Yeah, I don't know.

447
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 17: I mean, it wasn't so long ago that Lochlan and

448
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 17: his brother James were pretty pretty close and mean, they

449
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 17: were in business together. But in more recent times he's

450
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 17: quit the company James and Lochlan now has taken over.

451
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 17: I just forget Heather exactly what his title is. But

452
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 17: it's I mean, he is the big He's the big

453
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 17: ginner on the on the Murdoch mediate landscape. There's no

454
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 17: doubt about that. That's the exact of the way Rubn

455
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 17: wants it to stay.

456
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 3: Interesting stuff. Hey, okay, so talk to me about these

457
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 3: parking law changes. Why do these guys I mean, I

458
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: love it, but why do they have to get out

459
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 3: of the car and write out the tickets.

460
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 17: Because you and I I mean, look, everyone gets a

461
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 17: parking ticket from time to time, right, But here's the

462
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 17: thing over here. You get a parking ticket in the

463
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 17: last five, six, ten years, whenever it's in New South Wales,

464
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 17: and you don't get that ticket for three or four weeks.

465
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Speaker 7: It arrives in the mail.

466
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 17: Now, in that three or four weeks, you've gone about

467
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 17: your business, body, gone overseas, made any number of things

468
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 17: can happen, but basically what's happened. When it arrives in

469
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 17: the mail. You run out of time to make a

470
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 17: complaint and try and challenge the issuing of that ticket.

471
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 17: You might have had open heart surgery. You have to

472
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 17: hop from your car and the state government says, listen,

473
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 17: this is dramatically unfair. And by the way, you rotten councils,

474
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 17: I mean councils a supposed to be according to the

475
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 17: critics about roads rates and rubbish, and keep your hands

476
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 17: out of it, get your hands out of our pockets.

477
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 17: Councils are the ones that collect the money. And haven't

478
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 17: they been having a feast last twelve months one hundred

479
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 17: and fifty five million dollars in parking vines and we

480
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 17: got these fines in the mail. Weeks later the state

481
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 17: government says it's and if it's not fair, you're gonna

482
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 17: have to get out and do it. Currently, parking rangers

483
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 17: are simply driving down the streets with a GoPro strapped

484
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 17: to the front of their car, singing people left right

485
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 17: and said there and in non traffic parking hotspots, they're

486
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 17: just going down there and having a feast before morning tea.

487
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 17: Rat bags, Get out of your car, give us the

488
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 17: ticket and we'll challenge it if we think it's unfair.

489
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: That's right. Work for your money, walk for your money,

490
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: get your ten thousand steps, love it, muzz thank you

491
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: off Mary. Right, Yeah, jeez, we could do with a

492
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: bit of that here, couldn't we. Murry Old Zossie corresponded, jeez,

493
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 3: I hate the tickets. Don't you Heather? Go for Tory.

494
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 3: She's full of bs. She's got a meoral car, poor

495
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: Tory and thumbs down. Thumbs down, what of that? Because listen,

496
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: let did I throw it away?

497
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 18: I did?

498
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 3: Hold on, I'm just going to go through the bin

499
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: because I don't want to give you an accuracies. And

500
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: you know, if there's one thing that the show relies on,

501
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: it's to be completely and utterly accurate every single minute

502
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: of the day, lest the BSI have a crack at us.

503
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 3: Here we go, Yeah, I did. I even screwed it up.

504
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: Here we go.

505
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: This is what she said verbatim. However, I just sold

506
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: my car recently to kind of help pay the bills.

507
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: There's your wriggle word right there, little reggle phrase kind

508
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: of help. It's not about paying the bills. I beat you,

509
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: she I would. I don't know, but I beat you that.

510
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: She has got some sort of a setup going on

511
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: here where either there's a meeral car or there's some

512
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: meeral you know, transport provides all. She lives so close

513
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: that literally you can just walk and should just walk

514
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 3: because you care about the climate because you're a Green

515
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: Party person, so there'll be something going on here. It's

516
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: kind of helped pay the bills now on the common

517
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: Hierros again. So what the cops have said said has

518
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 3: gone on here with the common Cheiros is that they

519
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: have been investigating the gang for three years for money laundering,

520
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: drunk drug importation and also drug supply. Currently, they found

521
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: out the gang had set up like a commission system,

522
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 3: like some sort of some sort of Amway thing that

523
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: was going on here where the gang members got five

524
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: thousand bucks commission every time they sold a kg of drugs.

525
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: That's a fair amount of drugs to sell for your

526
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: five thousand, but whatever. Then they use the money to

527
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: buy a gang pad, two businesses, and a bunch of gangs.

528
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: And they also used the money to pay for a

529
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: guy to come into the country to do some military

530
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: style training for fifteen of them, which sounds a bit grim,

531
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: doesn't it. Anyway, I'm going to talk to the police

532
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: officer who busted them up, Greg Williams. He'll be with

533
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: us after five.

534
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: Barry Soper's next politics with centrics Credit check your customers

535
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: and get payments certainty.

536
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: Forgot I'll tell you what hey, okay, So Mike Mitchell

537
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: be absolutely thrilled at what the cops have done.

538
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 8: With It is incredible when you think you know that

539
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 8: bust that we saw. That total of one hundred and

540
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 8: thirty seven chargers have been laid against the gang members

541
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 8: and their associates. That included seventeen so called office holders,

542
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 8: ten patched members and fourteen gang prospects. So it was

543
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 8: a real round up these Common Heiros, many of them

544
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 8: have come from Australia and we hadn't heard from them

545
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 8: before we heard of five o ones and I've got

546
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 8: to say it was a proud police Minister, Mark Mitchell

547
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 8: who outlined the booty the cops.

548
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 7: Took from the gang.

549
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 9: I'd also like to acknowledge your outstanding police force who

550
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 9: announced today the conclusion of three significant operations targeting the

551
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 9: Common Heros operations Scuba, Brewer and Avon. The operations have

552
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 9: seeniorly every member of the Common Heros in New Zealand

553
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 9: face chargers, seized two hundred and six kilograms of methamphetamin,

554
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 9: nine point two million dollars in asset, seized one point

555
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 9: two seventy five million in cash, five properties, fourteen vehicles

556
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 9: and fifteen firearms more than two.

557
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 8: One hundred was it two hundred two hundred kilograms of

558
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 8: art of drug's name methamphetamen? Absolutely incredible, there was. It

559
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 8: was inter governmental raid, customs, corrections and in lab revenue

560
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 8: were all part of the investigations. The insignia was taken down.

561
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 8: You will have seen from christ Church for their headquarters

562
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 8: in Woollaston. And if anybody ever thought that gangs are

563
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 8: not involved in the drug trade, just have a look

564
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 8: at the slot and they will be. I would imagine

565
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 8: other gangs are similarly involved. Will not imagine. It's pretty

566
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 8: pretty common knowledge.

567
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 7: That they are.

568
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 8: So let's hope that the police met out the same

569
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 8: sort of message that they've issued to the common gyros.

570
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: Has Chippy jumped on the plane yet, No, he hasn't.

571
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 8: He goes on Thursday.

572
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 7: He's off to the UK.

573
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 8: Is going to a Labor Party annual conference in Liverpool.

574
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 8: He said he would be taking part in a number

575
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 8: of panel discussions and speaking events at the conferences. Away

576
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 8: for quite a long time. He doesn't get back until

577
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 8: October the first, so he's having a bit of a

578
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 8: time there. Opposition leaders are allowed one big trip a

579
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 8: year and this is it and hopefully for him he'll

580
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 8: learn something from the British Labor Party. He's said he'll

581
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 8: be meeting with think tanks, economists and writers in both

582
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 8: Liverpool and in London where he'll go to after the conference.

583
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 8: But the Prime Minister gave Hipkins lessons and lesson in

584
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 8: economics before he leaves, followed by Winston Peters who basically

585
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 8: added insult to injury.

586
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 19: How does it start?

587
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 20: You have an eighty four percent increase in spending, It

588
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 20: drives record levels of inflation, that drives high levels of

589
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 20: interest rates, that puts the economy into recession, that drives unemployment.

590
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 20: That is the history of economics that we've been trying

591
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 20: to articulate to that member and also his former government

592
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 20: about why they got it so wrong. Takes some responsibility.

593
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 20: We are where we are today because of woeful, uneducated

594
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 20: economic management.

595
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 21: They're on on on Winston Peters as the Prey Minister,

596
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 21: does he not think he should contact UK Prime Minister

597
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 21: Kia Starmer about a visitor who did it come to

598
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 21: his conference and warn them that sliding poles are contagious?

599
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: Rude?

600
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: Hey, what did he say about the polls?

601
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 7: Actually?

602
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: So it's like he's pretty philosophical about it.

603
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 8: Well, like all politicians, he'd like to be liked more,

604
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 8: but he's not liked enough. I mean when you look

605
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 8: at the net favorability that's been a big drop for him,

606
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 8: fell sixteen points to minus ten percent, and just thirty

607
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 8: one of the Poles respondent said they had a positive

608
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 8: view of the Labor leader. Now you know, with polling

609
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 8: like that, of course the Labor Party will be looking

610
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 8: over their shoulders wondering what they can do. I'm sure

611
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 8: that Chris Hopkins is seen as a care taker leader

612
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 8: of the Labor Party. Just how long he lasts is

613
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 8: a matter for the party itself.

614
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: It sounds like the party is not going to roll him,

615
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 3: and I think that's the smart thing to do at

616
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: the moment. Why would they roll him, Well.

617
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 8: That's true because they know so that if they go

618
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 8: into the next election, the likelihood is they'll be beaten again,

619
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 8: and so it's better, I would imagine. But then people

620
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 8: are very ambitious in politics heither, and whilst you might

621
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 8: think they do themselves a favor by holding off, many

622
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 8: of them don't.

623
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: Ambition aside, right, they can be ambitious, all they I

624
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: can go for it if they want to, but for

625
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: the benefit of the Labor Party itself, there's no need

626
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: to run.

627
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 7: Well, no, there's not.

628
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 8: And the other thing is who is the leader in

629
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 8: waiting in the Labor Party, you know Barbara Head and Edmunds.

630
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 8: I think it could be a good future leader of

631
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 8: the Labor Party. I mean she's got a good labor background.

632
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 8: Her mom died when she was four. She grew up

633
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 8: being brought up by her father on a benefit. She

634
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 8: essentially got into the beehive, not as many do as

635
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 8: in a paracheck of the party. In fact, she was

636
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 8: a private secretary to Michael Woodhouse from the National Party

637
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 8: as Revenue Minister. She's a tax lawyer and was also

638
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 8: working for Judih Colins at one stage when she was

639
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 8: Revenue Minister and they described her as first class.

640
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: And how many children has she got?

641
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 22: Eight?

642
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: Thank you absolutely, Mary. So that's amazing, very so for

643
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: senior political correspondent seven away from five.

644
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

645
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: This time, minister is with us?

646
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 23: You lead Labor in every single issue now bar poverty.

647
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 23: By one point? Could that indicate that new Zealand appreciates.

648
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 23: But all the wonks in the public service and the

649
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 23: judiciary and the White Tangi Tribunal and all the bloody

650
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 23: universities around the country don't get.

651
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 24: People appreciate we inherit a hell of a mess. I

652
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 24: think they see that we are genuinely focused and we

653
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 24: are working hard, and we're trying to fix the things

654
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 24: that need to be fixed. People want us to try

655
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 24: and actually do things differently, and I appreciate, you know.

656
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Speaker 24: I get pushed back from a lot of things that

657
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 24: people can disagree with me, but we are here to

658
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 24: do the mission, which is to actually turn the country around.

659
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 24: I only regret where to have when this comes to

660
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 24: an end, as we're old enough when the.

661
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Speaker 23: Best fast and that back tomorrow at six am the

662
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 23: Mic Hosking breakfast with the Jaguar Space used talk z.

663
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: Heather on the parking tickets. I got a parking ticket

664
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: when I was thirty eight seconds thirty eight seconds over

665
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: the thirty minute parking limit by an Auckland Transport warden

666
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: who was driving around in their vehicle and just doing

667
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: auto tickets with their camera. I support get them out

668
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: of their cars. Are fair enough? That would actually rip

669
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: your nicety, wouldn't it thirty eight seconds? I thought there

670
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: was a grace period. Actually, sure wasn't. After the grace

671
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: period as well, that you were then thirty like fifteen

672
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: minutes plus thirty eight seconds. Anyway, Amazon Listen is the

673
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: latest big company asking workers to go back to the

674
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Speaker 3: office five days a week.

675
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 25: Now.

676
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: It's the latest big company. It's quite a few big

677
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: companies are already starting to do this, but it's the

678
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: first of the big tech companies, and of all of

679
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: the sectors where you think that you could probably you know,

680
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: stay home and kind of fiddle around in your computer

681
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: while baking a cast roll and doing the dishes and

682
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: putting a wash on. It would be where you're basically

683
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: working for somebody like Amazon, just you know, doing your

684
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: little little nerdy work there, little nerdy computer stuff. No,

685
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: I said January the second, here's your heads up. You're

686
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: coming into the office five days a week. Used to

687
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: be three days a week. And the reason, apparently is

688
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: because they say when they look back over the last

689
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: five years, they continue to believe that the advantages of

690
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: being together in the office are significant. Not a surprise

691
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: to me that we have reached this place where even

692
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: the likes of Amazon are now telling people to come

693
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: back to work because I think I mean come. It's

694
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: human nature, isn't it. We are group animals. We're not

695
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: supposed to be by ourselves. It's unhealthy for us. So

696
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: you've got to get people in and they motivate each

697
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: other and work hard. But also human nature means if

698
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: you're staying at home, you are going to slack off.

699
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 25: We all know that.

700
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: We'll talk to the huddle about that later. Cops next

701
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: on how they busted up the Common Heroes.

702
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

703
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

704
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: Heather due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

705
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: get connected and you talk as they'd be.

706
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: Afternoon. Nearly every single member of the Common Heiro's gang

707
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: in the country has been charged by police. This is

708
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: the result of a three year investigation into money laundering,

709
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: drug importation and drug supply. Detective Superintended Greg Williams is

710
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: the director of the National Organized Crime Group. Pay Greg, Hi,

711
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: how are you very well?

712
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Thank you?

713
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 12: Listen?

714
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: How much of a blow is this to a gang

715
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: like this?

716
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: Oh? Look, this is huge.

717
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 12: You know, they as I said, we basically have focused

718
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 12: on the hierarchy, so that's all the leadership of the gang.

719
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 12: Plus now they're in patch members, so they're all Patch

720
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 12: members or of them, so forty one members and all

721
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 12: out of a total of ninety two. So yeah, this

722
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 12: is a significant impact on what we say as the

723
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 12: organized criminal enterprises that they are engaging in.

724
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 3: Just because they've been charged, greg doesn't mean that they

725
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: can't carry on with their underground, underworld activities. So how

726
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 3: much how much is it actually stopping what they're able

727
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: to do?

728
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 12: Well, Well, that's a complex question and isn't it in

729
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 12: the sense that we tend to find these groups I

730
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 12: use the word relentless, you know they yep, we're charging them,

731
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 12: we're putting in prison and the sense of that, but

732
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 12: they continue to be relentless but focus on the common

733
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 12: charas here sort of follows quite a big piece of

734
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 12: work done across Australasia on the common Saros and that's

735
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 12: primarily because as we said, you know, they made it

736
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 12: very clear they want to be the number one gang

737
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 12: in the world and probably the biggest stage that they

738
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 12: have for us is that big transnational link that they

739
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 12: have across the world where you know, they can have

740
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 12: access sourcing significant quantities of various drugs. So you know,

741
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 12: it still disrupts the ability for them to be able

742
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 12: to bring that into the country and run it through

743
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 12: you know, the systems and structures they had set up

744
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 12: across the country.

745
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 3: Listen, what about this military style training that they put

746
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of their members through. Who did they

747
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: bring in from overseas to do that?

748
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, look, we've mentioned it, but we've they're out here,

749
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 12: I explained to our listeners as this is not currently

750
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 12: a sort of a trial by media here, you know,

751
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 12: so that's all has to be proved in the court.

752
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 12: So we've want it very careful when we make the

753
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 12: release about what we're saying. So when we say we

754
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 12: can't really go into much more detail about that, we

755
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 12: can't because it really has to run through the court process.

756
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 12: But I'm sure the listeners understand what we mean by

757
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 12: that are the process and it's sort of just as

758
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 12: we sort of said earlier today, it's part of the

759
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 12: overall sort of message at the contra is given about

760
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 12: being the number one gang in the underworld in New

761
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 12: Zealand And they intend to use violence to make sure

762
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 12: that they actually are the number one game, So it

763
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 12: reflects their thinking. That's probably the chilling point that comes

764
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 12: out of this.

765
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: Greg, I'm loving the crackdown that you guys are doing

766
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: at the moment on organized crime. Are you loving it

767
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: as much as I am?

768
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 12: I'm very lucky. I have a ravery action group of

769
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 12: people that work under me, and the beauty of the

770
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 12: National Nice Crime Group we've got, you know, we're right

771
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 12: across the country now and that means that we can

772
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 12: really see and understand those national processes running and that's

773
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 12: been a great highlight of probably this particular investigation of

774
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 12: linking that. Plus we've also really focused on building our

775
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 12: capability to be able to investigate red complex money laundering

776
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 12: because it's critical to every investigation we do. So yeah,

777
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 12: it's an on I mean, look, this is this is

778
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 12: one of many awesome investigations that National Nized Crime Group

779
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 12: has done this year. You know, this is not our

780
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 12: only focus, but it just shows the breadth of the

781
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 12: work that guys are capable of.

782
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: Greg really appreciated, well done, Thank you so much. It's

783
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: Greg Williams, the detectives and superintendent and director of the

784
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: National Organized Crime Group here the duplessy Ellen Philip Pulkinholm's

785
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: defense lawyer has started wrapping up his defense in the

786
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 3: High Court in Auckland. Today. Ron Mansfeld called the Brown's

787
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: allegation that Polkinghorn had murdered his wife insulting.

788
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 26: This has been a trial prosecuted by emotion, and where

789
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 26: the victim is logic, Logic is evidence based, it's reliable,

790
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 26: it is sound. A trial run by emotion allows our

791
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 26: murder mystery fantasies.

792
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: To run wild.

793
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: He reminded the jury that this is not a court

794
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: of morals and cautioned them to judge Polkinghorn based on

795
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 3: the not based on his use of sex work as

796
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: a myth. Now, George Block has been at the trial

797
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: for the last two months and is with us. He George, Hi, Heather,

798
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: what was insulting about that?

799
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 16: Well, Mansfield there really picked up where Crown's luster Alsia

800
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 16: McClintock left off. She said Polkinghorn blamed his wife for

801
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 16: a lot in her life and we're belittle alert and

802
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 16: it was the final insult to her for him to

803
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 16: blame her for her own death. Mansfield came back and

804
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 16: said it was actually Pokinghorn, who had a lot insults,

805
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 16: starting with police not having an open min when they

806
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 16: visited his home in Upland Road in twenty twenty one.

807
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 16: Those insults continued when they interviewed him for four hours,

808
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 16: not telling him he was a suspect that afternoon and

809
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 16: not telling him they had launched a massive investigation at

810
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 16: his home and they continued Ron Mansfield case. He says

811
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 16: when it went public in the media that the death

812
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 16: was unexplained. He's a specious and he sort of, in

813
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 16: Mansfield's words, became a prior because of that fact, and

814
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 16: he became isolated over those sixteen months before he was charged,

815
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 16: which was another insult. That's sort of where he was

816
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 16: going with that.

817
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: Right now, he has said that that Polkenhorn deleting is

818
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: WhatsApp messages was entirely understandable.

819
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 16: How so that was interesting. Yeah, So Polkinghorn deleted his

820
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 16: messages with Sidney Escort Medicine Ashton right after the interview

821
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 16: on April five, and Mansfield said that was just because

822
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 16: he didn't want that to become public, you know, if

823
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 16: it was going to be this s boog investigation. He

824
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 16: didn't want his extramarital liaisons to become public fodder. There

825
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 16: was all so the search for leg edema after strangulation,

826
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 16: which McClintock said basically revealed the murderer. And Mansfield explained

827
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 16: this by saying that was the day of the autopsy

828
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 16: and he still wasn't getting any information, and his client

829
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 16: was simply wondering why he was still a suspect. Whether

830
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 16: this could have been a reason, like how her legs look,

831
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 16: whether that could have meant that he was being treated

832
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 16: as a suspect.

833
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: Now, Ron Mansfeld's made the point, it seems to be

834
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: something that he's relying on that Hanna's body showed no

835
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: signs of struggle or injuries that were consistent with murder.

836
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 16: Right, that's really the core of his closing. He says

837
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 16: he's got the pathology on his side. He says she

838
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 16: had a few non specific injuries, but all the pathologists

839
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 16: just said she died by a net compression, leaving the

840
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 16: door open to either hanging or strangulation, but definitely the

841
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 16: door wide open to the hanging, he says. He says

842
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 16: that the bruise on her temple could have been her

843
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 16: sort of fumbling around trying to hang herself. And the

844
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 16: bruise on the right arm while it looks like four

845
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 16: fingers if someone gripping her. Wise there no thumb mark,

846
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 16: and he says it could have been made by a

847
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 16: pathologists transporting her body after death, or by someone steadying

848
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 16: her at a personal training session for example. So he

849
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 16: says the injuries are not nearly enough for the amount

850
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 16: required if they were the sort of defensive wounds that

851
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 16: you'd expect in a violent strangulation like getting DNA under

852
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 16: the fingernails, for example. All her acrylic nails, he says,

853
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 16: were in place when they did the autopsy, and that shows,

854
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 16: he says, that there was no struggle consistent with the

855
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 16: violent assault.

856
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: George, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for

857
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: running us through and appreciated that. George Block, the Herald's

858
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: court reporter who's been in there for the whole two months.

859
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: Jury is start as expected to start deliberating tomorrow afternoon.

860
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 3: Now I need to get you across the extraordinary number

861
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: of kids who've been sold underage kids who've been sold

862
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: Siggi's and vaps. Will do that next quarter past byd reckons.

863
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: It's going to take a bite out of the ute market.

864
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: With the world's first super hybrid ut Now this thing

865
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: is called the BYD Shark six and just wow, I

866
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: mean this actually raises the bra I had the pleasure

867
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: of actually driving one of these prototypes at BYD HQ

868
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: just few weeks ago. I'll tell you what this really

869
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: means business. It's got two electric motors, It's got a

870
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: petrol engine which combined actually puts out as much power

871
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 3: as an equivalent four LE to V eight. We are

872
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: talking plenty of grunt, but without any of the guilt.

873
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: It's got one hundred k's on EV only mode and

874
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: then it's got another seven hundred k's in hybrid mode,

875
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: which means you never have to worry about range anxiety.

876
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: So if you want to get your hands on a

877
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: BYD Shark, you are going to need to register your interest.

878
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: There is just one shipment, one shipment of these things

879
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: landing before Christmas this year. So if you want to

880
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: be the first to hear more when the pricing is

881
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: revealed in just a few weeks time, head on over

882
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: to BYD Auto dot Co dot NZ. Together do for

883
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: c Allen nineteen past five. Now one in ten retailers

884
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: get a load of this. Who sell vapes and Siggies

885
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: have been busted in a sting selling to kids under eighteen.

886
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: In July, Health New Zealand sent some underage volunteers into

887
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: six hundred stores to try to buy the vapes and

888
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: the Sigies. Sixty three of them were caught selling it. Now,

889
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 3: Joe Pugh is the complying as manager at the National

890
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: Public Health Service. He Joe, you got a Joe. Do

891
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: you know what proportion of these were cities and what

892
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: proportion of these were vapes?

893
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 27: It would be a mixture, but we mostly did compliance

894
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 27: visits on retailers for vape.

895
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 3: Okay, how do you feel about the fact that ten

896
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: percent of them were busted?

897
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 27: Actually were really pleased that most of the retailers refused

898
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 27: to sell to one of our young people. However, it

899
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 27: is really disappointing that over sixty retailers of our six

900
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 27: hundred that we visited did actually sell to a minor

901
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 27: So very disappointing and as a result, we sent out

902
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 27: more infringement finds of five hundred dollars in this month

903
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 27: than we have ever before.

904
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: It seems ten percent non compliance seems really high to me,

905
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: doesn't it to you?

906
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 27: Ten percent I think is it is high, and it's

907
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 27: definitely why we're having a strong focus on youth vaping

908
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 27: and smoking at the moment. It's incredibly disappointing that retailers

909
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 27: are putting their profits so over the health and well

910
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 27: being of our atality, our children.

911
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: Do you think that the problem here is that there

912
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: aren't enough enforcement officers, so these guys feel like it's

913
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: worth taking a risk.

914
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 27: We've been focusing on visiting retail as the compliance for

915
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 27: some time and we are about two well. We have

916
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 27: been ramping up our work in that space, so I

917
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 27: think it is a range of factors and we couldn't

918
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 27: just put it down to the enforcement offices we have.

919
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: Joe, thank you. I really appreciate you having a chat

920
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 3: to us about this. Is Joe Pugh, the compliance manager

921
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: at the National Public Health Service. Listen, these guys are

922
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: really keen for the public to actually report anything like

923
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 3: this happening because obviously they aren't enough enforcement. There obviously

924
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: aren't enough enforcement officers, So basically they're asking that if

925
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 3: you see anyone selling vapes or cigi's to underage kids,

926
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: you need to report it to your public health I

927
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: have had dealings with the Public Health Office. And let

928
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: me tell you, if these people running the country, we

929
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 3: would be efficient. They mean business and they know how

930
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: to do it. Twenty one past five.

931
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper clan

932
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and newstalks.

933
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: That'd be Heather.

934
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm a teacher and all we need to do is

935
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 3: follow the new structure. I don't know why this is

936
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: such an issue. Otherwise, let train maths and English teachers

937
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: teach it. That plenty of us who still can't get job.

938
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: I thank you for saying this. This new curriculum that's

939
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: being released for next year, literally is like, here's the curriculum,

940
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: teach it. What's the problem? It's you don't have to

941
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: write it yourself, you just have to take it and

942
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 3: teach it. Anyway, We're going to talk to one of

943
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 3: the teachers who not actually a principle, not terribly happy

944
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: about it. He'll be with us just after the news,

945
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: which is coming up shortly right now. It's twenty four

946
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: past five. Now, the more I hear about the shape

947
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: of the next Commonwealth Games, the more I think you

948
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: had better enjoy these Commonwealth Games because it might well

949
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: be the last one. It turns out now that they're

950
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: going to cut the number of sports at the Commonwealth

951
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: Games if this thing is even held in Glasgow in

952
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: two years, and that's still of that, but if it is,

953
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 3: they're going to cut the number of sports to about

954
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 3: half the number of sports they were at the last game.

955
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: So last time it was twenty one sports, next time

956
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: in two years it might only be ten maximum thirteen.

957
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: It's only doable because the Ossies are paying a multimillion

958
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: dollar penalty to the Scottish to basically help them host it,

959
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: and then there's some private money to get it across

960
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: the line. And they're also using venues that were already

961
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: there because they hosted the Games ten years ago. So

962
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: you can see all of these things make it feasible, right,

963
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 3: but only just, and only if they cut the number

964
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 3: of sports. Even if the Scots do sign for twenty

965
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: twenty six, there is no one signed for twenty twenty thirty,

966
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: and there's no one signed for twenty twenty thirty four.

967
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: And I think almost the most sobering thing about all

968
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: of this is that outside of the UK, two countries

969
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: have hosted the Games an equal number of times, and

970
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: for the most number right, it's Canada and Ozzie. So

971
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 3: the UK's hosted it like nine times in its history.

972
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: Canada and Ozzie have hosted the Games five times each.

973
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: Australia just pulled out of hosting it in twenty twenty

974
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: six and Canada just pulled out of hosting it in

975
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: twenty thirty. Now, if the two countries that have hosted

976
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: it the most number of times outside of the UK

977
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 3: and only done it because they're basically the richest countries

978
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: in the Commonwealth, if they even don't want to host

979
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: the Games anymore, what does that tell you about the Games?

980
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: It tells you that these games are on life support

981
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: big time. So if you love the Commonwealth Games, get

982
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: yourself to Glasgow in a couple of years time, because

983
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: these games might not survive any longer than that, and

984
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: even if they do, they might be so scaled back

985
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 3: in the future. Whatever survives might be such a shadow

986
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: of itself that I don't know that it's going to

987
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 3: be the Commonwealth Games of Old at all together.

988
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: Du for Clen, Yeah, what would you.

989
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: Ditch by the way, from the common you definitely ditch

990
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: the volleyball, wouldn't you, And like the table tennis who

991
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: and the power power lifting I'd probably get in the

992
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: lawn bowls I'd get I get rid of all the

993
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: team sports. To be honest with you, this is not

994
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 3: I feel like you've got to go for the individual

995
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: achievement of the track and field, and then maybe you've

996
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: got something going and even then it's just kind of

997
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: a crappy version of the Olympics, isn't it. Okay, AUT,

998
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: Now you'll have caught up on this by now. It's

999
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: been revealed today that AUT is still using race based stuff.

1000
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: Of course they are. What they do is in order

1001
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: to assess whether an academic gets to go to a

1002
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: trip or not overseas, they have like a whole bunch

1003
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: of tech boxes that they have to fill in. So

1004
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: the prestige of the conference is one, you get points

1005
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: for that, how far you're going as another, you get

1006
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 3: points for that, what the cost is, the risk of

1007
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: the travel, who the trip should be funded by, blah blah,

1008
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: heead points for all of those things, and then finally

1009
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: you get points if you are Maori or PACIFICA. Now

1010
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: guess who is on our show. Later, the AUT Chancellor one,

1011
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: Rob Campbell, and I cannot wait for Rob to come

1012
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: and tell us how great this is and why we

1013
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: should continue with it. So stand by. He's on the

1014
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: huddle headlines.

1015
00:48:50,120 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather duper

1016
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: c Allen drive with One New Zealand let's get connected

1017
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: news talk Ze Beds standing by.

1018
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: We've got fellow Riley and Rob Campbell with us this

1019
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: evening after six o'clock. We're talking about building insulation. There's

1020
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 3: a bruhaha developing here. I'm going to run you through

1021
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: the details. And ozempic. Now you know about ozembic. Everybody's

1022
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 3: taken the ozembic, Oprah's taken the Osempic. They all are.

1023
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: And because ozembic is doing so well internationally, there is

1024
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: a key wei company that's actually kind of writing on

1025
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: the coattails of that and doing well as well. They

1026
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: are called Callo Curb and it's kind of like I

1027
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: think they pitched themselves a little bit as kind of

1028
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: a natural alternative to ozebic, right created Ozemba cread and lab.

1029
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 3: These guys developed with help of plant and food and

1030
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: so on and naturally reduces cravings and stuff. Anyway, they're

1031
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: going to talk to us about this success story after

1032
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 3: half past six. Right now it's twenty f bore away

1033
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 3: from six ever do for CLS, So we have more

1034
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: concern from teachers this time. They're worried along with principles,

1035
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 3: that they're not going to be ready next year to

1036
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 3: teach the new primary school maths and English curricula. Lemon

1037
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: would grow. Principal Bled Dravitsky is with us now.

1038
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 19: Hap lan o curly, how are you well?

1039
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: Thank you? Are you worried you're not going to have

1040
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: enough time?

1041
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1042
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 19: The worry is the pace of implementation. That's a big

1043
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 19: concern at the moment.

1044
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: Okay. So let's say with the maths curriculum, that you

1045
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: get given the curriculum in October and then you need

1046
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 3: to teach it in February. How is that not enough time?

1047
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 19: Yeah, we're not opposed to the strengthening our curriculum. That

1048
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 19: we're okay with. It's the fact that we're running two

1049
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 19: curriculums at the same time. So it's the English and

1050
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 19: the maths curriculum being I guess required to be implemented.

1051
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 19: Skills of different sizes don't have the staff to spread

1052
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 19: the load it would be on you know, probably a

1053
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 19: couple of people to not only upskill but also to

1054
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 19: implement these documents of which you know had some valid

1055
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 19: valid points and some required required movement in regards to

1056
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 19: these two curriculrians.

1057
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: What you mean, because because in primary school you don't

1058
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 3: have specialist teachers, right, it's it'll be, it'll be. Missus

1059
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: Smith is teaching English and missus Smith is teaching maths,

1060
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 3: and now she's having to learn the whole new curriculum

1061
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: for both of them.

1062
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: Correct, spot on.

1063
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again I mean, isn't it being provided like

1064
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 3: she didn't have to write the curriculum this time around?

1065
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: Is being provided to her. She just needs to teach it.

1066
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: What's hard about it?

1067
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 19: So at the moment the consultation period, all we have

1068
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 19: is that I guess the expectations, so we know what

1069
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 19: the content is going to be, but we actually don't

1070
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 19: yet know how it's going to be delivered. We don't

1071
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 19: have the teacher notes, even though there's an area in

1072
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 19: the document to say that they are coming, so we

1073
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 19: don't yet have that information to consult on, and we

1074
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 19: also don't have that information to work with our teachers.

1075
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 19: To up skill around that. So you talk about October,

1076
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 19: that's less than two weeks away. The consultation period for

1077
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 19: I think it's English doesn't close till the sex of October.

1078
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 19: So again we're pushing into the end of the year

1079
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 19: without kind of the full picture in regards to what's

1080
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 19: required of us.

1081
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: But Blair, if the math's curriculum lands in October, that

1082
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 3: gives the teacher four months, which is a third of

1083
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 3: a year to get her head across and her has

1084
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 3: or her head over it in order to be able

1085
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 3: to teach in February.

1086
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: Four months is.

1087
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: Heaps of time.

1088
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 19: Yeah, there's also a requirement of teacher workforce and well being.

1089
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 19: And although I know that the arguments usually that teachers

1090
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 19: get lots of holidays, they also get time over the

1091
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 19: over the Christmas break, as to all other professions, to

1092
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 19: ensure that they are very much they get over Blake,

1093
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 19: we usually finished about the nineteenth December, twentieth to December,

1094
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 19: and then we come back about the early early or

1095
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 19: sorry in mid January in regards to kind of be

1096
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 19: set up and the implementation of the physical environment before

1097
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 19: we come back to teacher.

1098
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if they take a month off over summer,

1099
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 3: they're still got three months to get rid of that's

1100
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 3: heaps of time.

1101
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 19: Yeah, I disagree to be us with you. It's a

1102
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 19: both documents over one hundred pages long, and it's not

1103
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 19: just one school, it's it's lots of schools at different

1104
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 19: stages of the curriculum. So for us at Lemonwood, we

1105
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 19: have a big staff, we would be able to spread

1106
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 19: the support and implementation across so we've got leads in

1107
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 19: those areas, but lots of other smaller schools don't have that.

1108
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 19: They don't have the capacity. We're in a workforce that's

1109
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 19: currently strugging to attract teachers. We can't get relievers, so

1110
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 19: therefore we're in a position where we're kind of already stretch.

1111
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 19: So what's going to end up happening is that there's

1112
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 19: going to be another another set of teachers basically going well, Actually,

1113
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 19: this is in the two hard basket at the moment,

1114
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 19: and pressure will tell in landing.

1115
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: Does the teacher have to get across the entire one

1116
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 3: hundred page document in February or can they just break

1117
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 3: it down in chunks and go there is I don't know,

1118
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 3: let's say forty forty teaching weeks.

1119
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 19: And we vibe absolutely. I mean, you make a good

1120
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 19: point and that's probably something that we're working towards. So

1121
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 19: we would love for the mass curriculum to remain in

1122
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 19: consultation for next year so we can actually have a

1123
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 19: go at delivering the thing, so we can actually go

1124
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 19: put through it and go, well, actually, this is what works,

1125
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 19: this is what doesn't work, rather than kind of setting

1126
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 19: it in stone from day one.

1127
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: From the sounds of things, the Minister's office is kind

1128
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: of chill about the fact that you guys are not

1129
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: going to get it bang on in the first year.

1130
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 3: But even if you just did a little bit of that,

1131
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 3: it would be an improvement on what's going on at

1132
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 3: the moment. So is that an approach to perhaps take.

1133
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, if it remains in consultation, then we

1134
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 19: could feedback and I guess the reality of what it

1135
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 19: looks like on the ground would be seen. At the moment,

1136
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 19: we don't have the teacher notes, so we actually can't

1137
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 19: feedback on what the curriculum is going to look like

1138
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 19: as a whole. The consultation is currently based around the

1139
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 19: I guess, the achievement objectives. So therefore we want to

1140
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 19: be able to go, hey, look this bit work really well.

1141
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 19: This bit didn't work at all. But if it's set

1142
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 19: in stone and therefore it's kind of like a you know,

1143
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 19: the consultation's finished and the document is in place, we

1144
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 19: run the same risk of going, well, actually, people going

1145
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 19: to teach to the test, I guess to some degree,

1146
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 19: and not actually improve on the current baseline. I guess

1147
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 19: what I'm saying.

1148
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: You know what, Teaching to the test doesn't sound like

1149
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: a bad idea, because if we're getting tested on what

1150
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 3: we know, then teaching to the test like and what

1151
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: we need to know might actually be Okay, Blair, thank

1152
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: you appreciate a Bleddrovitsky lemon would growth principle hither I'm

1153
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: a primary school teacher. We can do these curricula easy,

1154
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: Bring them on, Rob. I keep getting told that the

1155
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: vast majority of teachers are actually on board. It's just

1156
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 3: the unions that are a problem. And I truly hope

1157
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 3: that that is the case. Nineteen away from six the Huddle.

1158
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure

1159
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: like no other.

1160
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm huddled with me this evening. We have got Rob

1161
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 3: Campbell auc Chancellor, former Health end Z chair and also

1162
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: fellow Raley Iron Duke Partner is a former Boss of

1163
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: Business New Zealand. Hello lads, hey go well thank you Phil.

1164
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 3: Does do the teachers and the principals have a point

1165
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: or are they maybe wining a little bit much?

1166
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 22: I think it's important to understand teachers do actually work

1167
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 22: pretty hard, so I've got some sympathy with that. But

1168
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 22: if you're going to make a change, make a change.

1169
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 22: I thought I thought the interview would interview easier made

1170
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 22: a good point about it, but keeping keeping those feedback

1171
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 22: loops open because as you launch this thing, maybe things

1172
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 22: don't work so well in some areas and say some

1173
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 22: people and I'm sure work on the basis officials and

1174
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 22: the Minister will be up for that. But we didn't

1175
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 22: need to move on and make change because what will

1176
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 22: happen is we'll go another year and say, oh we're

1177
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 22: not ready yet, We're not ready yet, and we have

1178
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 22: another couple of years of leakage. So the other thing

1179
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 22: is that this hasn't come out of the blue. This

1180
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 22: has been underway for some time now. So and it's

1181
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 22: useful also that the both of the review all saying

1182
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 22: we hate the change. They're just saying we need to

1183
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 22: make sure it works. So I think with a bit

1184
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 22: of good will we can move on and get there.

1185
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 22: But I certainly would do it next year.

1186
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Phil rob I'm with Phil

1187
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 3: on this one.

1188
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't think there's any great hurry for it. Personally.

1189
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: It's better if you're going to make a curriculum change,

1190
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: which is a critically important development and education, the people

1191
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 4: have got the time to debate it, to think about it,

1192
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 4: to prepare for it. It's not just a matter of

1193
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 4: pressing a button and chundering it out to your students

1194
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 4: and hoping they absorbed. But there's a tea bit of

1195
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 4: thinking to do about how to teach it. It's not

1196
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 4: simply what's the content of the paper?

1197
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: So right, but it's just primary school.

1198
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: Well you must such one.

1199
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: To one plus one is two, you know what I mean.

1200
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 4: Well, you wait till you try and do young edgies

1201
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 4: primary school work. You might find it you might pump

1202
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 4: out to bit harder than your magic. But Peter Gudgy

1203
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 4: is quite important at these young ages, and it does

1204
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 4: need preparation. It's not simply a matter of reading out

1205
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: the curriculum. I'm hoping it sticks on the kids' kids.

1206
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 4: So I think it's undervaluing what the teaching profession does

1207
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 4: to some extent, not to give some time to prepare

1208
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: for this and to make sure we're teaching it well on.

1209
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: Our Well, I feel like I've got to push back

1210
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: on you on this because you said there's not that

1211
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: much of a rush. But for a parent whose child

1212
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: is in primary school and who's not getting a decent

1213
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: education right now, they only get one crack at it,

1214
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: it might feel like there's a bit of a rush.

1215
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 4: Well, it might preload is a bit of a rush,

1216
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 4: but I'd contest that they're not getting a decent education.

1217
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 4: The clearly are issues with curriculum. I think teachers pretty

1218
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 4: much all agree ab now that there are issues in

1219
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 4: many schools about how it's been taught. Yeah, but don't

1220
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 4: solve that just by pressing about and saying, okay, Ryan,

1221
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 4: line up back over there and teach this new list

1222
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 4: of things. It's more, it's there's more to it than

1223
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 4: that teachers are actually trained professionals and should be regarded

1224
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 4: and treated, not just they're not just a means of communication.

1225
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you ever do you want to write a

1226
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: reply here, Phil.

1227
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 22: Oh No, I think I sort of half with Rob.

1228
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 22: I mean, but I think you can do it. I

1229
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 22: think you can't make the change so long as there's

1230
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 22: a good feedback. Look for those teachers to come back

1231
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 22: and say, actually, this but it's not working. Do we

1232
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 22: change it for next year?

1233
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1234
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 22: But to delay the whole thing is I think is

1235
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 22: we didn't move on. There's an urgency about this government

1236
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 22: I think is right, and you know that the risk

1237
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 22: is worth the table, it was worth the effort. I think. Yeah.

1238
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: I tend to agree with you as a parent. I

1239
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: just want to see this thing get a ring along,

1240
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: all right, we'll take a break, come back very shortly.

1241
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: It's quarter two with the huddle. I go back on

1242
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: the huddles.

1243
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: Met the huddle with New Zealand International Realty, the marketing

1244
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: of your hood.

1245
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: And do you pause for one second. I'm going to

1246
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 3: get in there. I'm gonna do it for you. Sharpen up, mate.

1247
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: If he wants to retain the job for the next month,

1248
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 3: he's going to have to get faster with it. A yeah, yes,

1249
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 3: not primary with New.

1250
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: Zan International Realty, local and global exposure.

1251
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: Like my it's all right. Back with the huddle. We've

1252
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: got Filerali and Rob Campbell. Okay, Rob, listen, you're the

1253
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: chancellor of aut I want you to explain to me

1254
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: why are staff members ethnic that he should determine whether

1255
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 3: they whether they get an overseas trip or not.

1256
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to explain it to you. That's

1257
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 4: not what determines that. There's a whole series of factors

1258
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 4: that go into determining the allocation of mine. It's part

1259
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 4: of it. There's a whole series of requirements that are

1260
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 4: imposed on staff to meet that, and staff do travel there.

1261
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 4: But it's part of the normal university work. And we

1262
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 4: have issues as every university does in terms of how

1263
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: Mari and Pacific Island staff are developing and coming through

1264
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 4: to the right sort of numbers, just as we do

1265
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 4: with students, and we have pro grams to support that.

1266
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 4: It's based on meaning the need for support.

1267
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: So some of the some of the qualifications, some of

1268
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 3: the things that would qualify them for the trip as

1269
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: the prestige of the conference, how far the going with

1270
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: the cost is the risk of the travel, who the

1271
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 3: trip would be funded by, but also their ethnicity. So

1272
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: you could essentially have an Asian teacher and a pacifica

1273
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: teacher who are both going to exactly the same trip,

1274
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: and based on how the criteria stack up, maybe only

1275
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 3: the PACIFICA person goes because of their ethnicity.

1276
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 4: Yes, well that's a purely theoretical hypothetical example. Well it's

1277
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 4: your example, not mine. Has anybody said there is such

1278
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 4: a trip?

1279
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: What?

1280
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: No, I'm just using you, I'm using your criteria.

1281
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 4: It's a purely hyptic.

1282
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 3: Very defensive about trying to justify your criteria here.

1283
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: Rob, Well, they're not my criteria. I'm chancellor of the university.

1284
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 4: Criteria developed to support staff for all different types in

1285
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 4: different situations. This is one which applies. I don't think

1286
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 4: it's remotely unusual. There'd be plenty of similar things in

1287
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 4: businesses all around the place, and universities, after all, independent organizations.

1288
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 4: So I really don't think there's anything here. At least

1289
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 4: someone can show that they've been prejudiced by that by

1290
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 4: some situation.

1291
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 12: I don't believe you.

1292
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 3: Can say it weird. Okay, what do you reckon film?

1293
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 22: Well, lectually, I'm going to be a controversial support Robie.

1294
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 22: I actually think about.

1295
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: It that you've spend too long in Wellington's.

1296
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 22: When if it's probably I mean it's probably put uncomfortably

1297
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 22: in the way that the university talks about it. But

1298
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 22: the short point is that we need more Marim Pacific academics.

1299
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 22: We need them to be supported. And part of the

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Speaker 22: support for any academics, anybody with this salt is to

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Speaker 22: do some of the international stuffs. Are very very important

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Speaker 22: that New Zealand does that. So it's probably put rather uncomfortably.

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Speaker 22: But if it was put like I want to make

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Speaker 22: sure that we get more more academics from non traditional

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01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 22: backgrounds to do these overseas trips and actually learn and

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Speaker 22: to engage globally, then that's a good thing. So it

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Speaker 22: might be uncomfortably worded, but I agree with the premis.

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Speaker 22: I agree with the idea.

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Speaker 3: So if David c More was an aut academic, he

1310
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Speaker 3: would get to go on these trips more than more

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Speaker 3: than you know they're the Asian and Indian and Pacific

1312
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Speaker 3: equivalents because he's Mari right.

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Speaker 22: But I think by the point where I'm making is

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Speaker 22: is not just that because the conference and so on,

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Speaker 22: this is.

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Speaker 3: The problem with these things, is that he you we'd

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Speaker 3: be giving him special trips to help Mary academics. But

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Speaker 3: the guy, I mean, do you see where I'm going

1319
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Speaker 3: with this? He doesn't need assistance.

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Speaker 22: What actually he does because what you want is that

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Speaker 22: is that academics not talking about David seymore. We're talking

1322
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Speaker 22: about academics who are We're trying to get more Marian

1323
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Speaker 22: Pacific academics. That's a good thing. Why because demographics say

1324
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Speaker 22: they'll be more Marin Pacific kids. We need, we need

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Speaker 22: them to succeed otherwise, you know, the country will go backwards.

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Speaker 22: So we actually need to lean into this. It's how

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Speaker 22: you do it that's the issue. And sometimes these kinds

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Speaker 22: of policies are uncomfortably weirded, as clearly this one is.

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Speaker 22: But the general idea, do you want to help these

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Speaker 22: academics from up and non traditional backgrounds think I'm more

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Speaker 22: most technic globally is a good idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, what we're going to say, Phil's right is

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Speaker 4: an opportunity is a university of opportunity. We're trying to

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Speaker 4: create and support people who need opportunities. This is one

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Speaker 4: aspect of many ways in which we do it. Then

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Speaker 4: I think's being taken quite out of context and a

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Speaker 4: hyd P fiftical arguments being raised about it, and so

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Speaker 4: let's just relax about this sort.

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Speaker 3: Offic I totally disagree with the pair of you, but

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Speaker 3: I do need to. I can keep hammering this, but

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Speaker 3: I have to talk about something has gripped me today. Phil.

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Speaker 3: Why did Tory really sell her cart?

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Speaker 22: I don't know. She says she moved into the city

1344
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 22: into a flat, as I understand what.

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Speaker 3: Let's tell what she said, but of course that she

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01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: can't make him one hundred and ninety thousand gives a.

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Speaker 22: Very livable city. There's lots of cycle waste, there's lots

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Speaker 22: of pedestrianization, there's lots of bus routes, and she's built

1349
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Speaker 22: most of them. So good for her for taking the

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Speaker 22: leap and going to the city, I must say when

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Speaker 22: I when I looked at her salary, she's apparently paid

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Speaker 22: one hundred and ninety thousand dollars, which to many people

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01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 22: will be out of money, but compared to many of

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Speaker 22: the bureaucrats in this town, is not. And I actually thought, ge,

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Speaker 22: are we support that? There's an argument for paying the meal?

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Speaker 22: We management bit more if we want decent performance, I

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Speaker 22: must say. But given people get this, I thought, good

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Speaker 22: for her. Shees living the dream of doing side always

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Speaker 22: and bweys and living in the city.

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Speaker 3: I lost your mind. Thank you for you've lost your mind.

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Speaker 3: If you're arguing that Tory Farno needs a pay rise

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Speaker 3: because you can't make ends meet on one ninety, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to push right back. Guys really appreciate it. Fellow

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Speaker 3: Riley Rob Campbell A huddle seven away from six on.

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Speaker 2: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

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Speaker 2: car on your drive home. Heather Duples see allan drive

1367
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Speaker 2: with one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News

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Speaker 2: Talk Zibbi.

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Speaker 3: Hi, there is a business owner. I actually cannot imagine

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Speaker 3: preferring one team member of another because of ethnicity. Isn't

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Speaker 3: that illegal?

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Speaker 18: Geez?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, is it?

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Speaker 3: I mean, probably not anymore. I'll tell you what I

1375
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Speaker 3: was thinking about this this morning is it is quite

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Speaker 3: remarkable to me how widespread the idea is that it's

1377
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Speaker 3: okay to prefer one person over another because of the

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Speaker 3: color of their skin. Like that is quite wild when

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Speaker 3: you think about the fact that we are a liberal

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Speaker 3: democracy founded on the idea. Well, in recent years we

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Speaker 3: have moved increasingly towards the idea that everybody should be

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Speaker 3: treated equally, whether the man or woman or trans, white

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 3: or black or brown, Christian or Jewish or Muslim, like whatever,

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Speaker 3: you treat everybody the same. But then we have this

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Speaker 3: little weird carve out where like except for this and

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Speaker 3: for us in this particular case, it's if you're Marty

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Speaker 3: in PACIFICA that's quite wild. Ah, But it's wild how

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Speaker 3: far this has traveled in terms of an idea, because

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Speaker 3: one of the huddlers said, it's quite normal, and it is.

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Speaker 3: It's really normal. I mean, they were doing it in

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Speaker 3: Hawk's Bay with the GP appointments, they were doing it

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Speaker 3: with the WIT surgical waiting lists, they were doing it.

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Speaker 3: But they've got these special rooms at Auckland University, they've

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Speaker 3: got this going on at aut It's all over the

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Speaker 3: shop that they had it that a bunch of government

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Speaker 3: departments handing, you know, choosing businesses based on whether the

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Speaker 3: owners were Marty. And it's quite wild that it's taken on,

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Speaker 3: but it has. And it just goes to show that

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Speaker 3: if you want to unwind this, which is what this

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Speaker 3: government wants to do, so hell of a job that

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Speaker 3: they've got on their hands, because they've basically got to

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Speaker 3: change the group think and got to reset that. That's

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Speaker 3: massive anyway, loads of texts on the teachers. Gee was

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Speaker 3: I'm going to I have to come back to that

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Speaker 3: in the next fifteen minutes or so when I get

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Speaker 3: a bit of debate. But of time, just need to

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Speaker 3: fill you in on what we're talking about next, which

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Speaker 3: is insulation rules. Now, Chris Pink, the minister who's in

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Speaker 3: charge of construction and stuff, has said he's going to

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Speaker 3: look at the insulation rules again because we're overheating our

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Speaker 3: houses apparently, and it's you know, the insulation's costing US

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Speaker 3: forty or fifty thousand dollars per house apparently not that

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Speaker 3: expensive actually more like twy two hundred dollars for a

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Speaker 3: three bedroom house. Where are you buying your insulation for

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Speaker 3: two two hundred dollars? Please? I want to know about this.

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Speaker 19: Well.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Fleming, who's the chief executive of Certified Builders, who

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Speaker 3: actually participated in this, researchers with us next so we

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01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 3: can find out were to get this cut rate insulation

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Speaker 3: for our houses. That's next news to exect by.

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Speaker 2: What's what's down on, what were the major calls and

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01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: how will it affect the economy of the big business

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Speaker 2: questions on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen and

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Speaker 2: my hr on newstalksv.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Brad Olsen

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Speaker 3: is going to run us through what he's expecting from

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Speaker 3: those GDP figures this week and whether we're going to

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01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: get a triple recession. Probably are the Kiwi company riding

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Speaker 3: the ozempic wave though with us After six thirty, will

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Speaker 3: also have a chat to Jamie McKay and and to

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Speaker 3: Brady seven past six. Now there's a bit of debate

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Speaker 3: about how much the new insulation rules will actually cost

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Speaker 3: building in construction. Minister Chris penk reckons it could add

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Speaker 3: about forty to fifty thousand dollars to a new home,

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Speaker 3: so he wants to roll back these insulation standards. However,

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Speaker 3: according to some new research, the cost can be as

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Speaker 3: low as maybe twenty two hundred bucks for a three

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Speaker 3: bedroom home. Malcolm Fleming is the chief executive of n

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Speaker 3: Z Certified Builders, who participated in this project and is

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Speaker 3: with us. Now, Hey, Malcolm, together, it's good to chat

1441
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Speaker 3: to you. Have you ever seen a three bedroom house

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 3: insulated for two two hundred bucks?

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Speaker 28: Well, that's not the cost of insulation, but it's the

1444
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Speaker 28: we've used new Ended TV Studio, which is a couple

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Speaker 28: of designs architect designed designs which we're taken to market

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Speaker 28: later this year, and we've used them as a case

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Speaker 28: study with the Quantity Surveyor and with EBOSS with architects

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Speaker 28: design groups Say and Eliott contributed as well, and to

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Speaker 28: look at what would be the costs of insulation for

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Speaker 28: H one. So just to recapitalate H one as it

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Speaker 28: was brought into the regulation May twenty twenty three and

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Speaker 28: represented a really big step up on the existing ACT

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Speaker 28: one in relation to get it's closer to international countries

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 28: that would you like to be competed with in regard

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Speaker 28: to insulation and the cost of thickness to run. So

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Speaker 28: we used these two plants that were not on an

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Speaker 28: INDI studio to look at what would be the beare

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Speaker 28: minimum H one insulation bars we can apply what and

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Speaker 28: what would the cost be over and above what that

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Speaker 28: bill would have been, say two years ago before H

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01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 28: one and that cost for three bedroom because we've got

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Speaker 28: a two bedream of three big and three big and

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Speaker 28: the larger one, so you're using that and those costs

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Speaker 28: ten thousand, six hundred dollars old.

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Speaker 3: And let me just get this right. So what you're

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Speaker 3: saying is when you look at what the standards are

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Speaker 3: before H one and then you go to H one,

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Speaker 3: the difference in lifting the standard is two and a

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Speaker 3: half for two point two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, the difference is ten thousand, six hundred if you

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Speaker 28: use a process called scheduling method, which is a bit

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Speaker 28: of a blunt instrument that falls to two two thousand,

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Speaker 28: one hundred dollars extra over and a puffet it been

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Speaker 28: with the bet of two thy two hundred twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, be your pardon.

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Speaker 28: It's a calculation method. So if I listen for homeowners here,

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Speaker 28: he's saying a design architect to do the new homes,

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01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 28: ask them to do the calculation method and keep the

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Speaker 28: sukay yip.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because if I was building a new house,

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Speaker 3: I don't care what the difference is. I want to

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Speaker 3: know what the total cost is. So how much does

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 3: it cost me to insulate the house?

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Speaker 28: The well as low as the digital two thousand dollars,

1485
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Speaker 28: but on top of what over what it would have

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Speaker 28: been before the near ten thousand dollars less than what

1487
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 28: it is now.

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Speaker 1: How what does it?

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Speaker 3: God do you do you know what it costs to

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Speaker 3: insulate it? Three injure mounts because Chris Pink listen, Malcolm,

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Speaker 3: we've got we're debating this right, Chris Pink says, it's

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Speaker 3: fifty k What do you say it?

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Speaker 28: No, so Chris Pink is saying it is now fifty

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 28: thousand dollars about the house what it wants, But debate

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 28: what we've conted with with actually getting some data so

1496
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 28: that we can actually have an informed conversation about this

1497
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 28: rather rely on anecdotes that is about ten thousand dollars

1498
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 28: using a blunt instrument approach, which is everybody isn't if

1499
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Speaker 28: you want to use a sophisticated approach which a designer

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Speaker 28: can use. It comes down as, of course two thousand,

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Speaker 28: one hundred and forty square of the house.

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Speaker 3: Malcolmism, what can we do about these houses that are

1503
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 3: overheating because they're overinsulated.

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Speaker 28: Well, there's been some contribution from brands that that is

1505
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 28: not necessarily the case, but where there has been examples

1506
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 28: of that, it comes down to the blunt instrument approach,

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01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 28: the scheduling, which is approaching every sun your surface like

1508
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 28: looking at the roof looking at the will walk each

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01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 28: walls and trying to get one hundred percent of the

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01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 28: hy regulation on every single part of the build, where

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01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 28: as a calculation, okay for them to get one hundred

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Speaker 28: percent on that elevation, Yeah, you're going to have triple glaze,

1513
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Speaker 28: and you're going to have to have insulation everywhere over

1514
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,839
Speaker 28: compensating and that could be contributing some overheating. Well, the calculation,

1515
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 28: you understand, and you're never going to get get there

1516
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 28: in the cost effective manner, but you're going to do

1517
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 28: better in the roofs and so forth to counter Dallum.

1518
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I see what you're saying, Malcolm. I

1519
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 3: really appreciate it, mate, thank you for talking to us.

1520
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: It's Malcolm Fleming, Certified Builders, Chief Executive. I don't really

1521
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 3: know what the point of that was, but that was

1522
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 3: amusing one, isn't it?

1523
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 4: Hey?

1524
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: This is one of those ones figures and figures lies, lies,

1525
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 3: damn statistics. Heather to the teacher's texts. Let me tell

1526
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 3: you something. Nothing lights up the text machine like a

1527
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 3: winging teacher. Honestly, is it very few things that will

1528
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: immediately just get parents or people worked up. But that

1529
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 3: is one of them and the text went completely nut.

1530
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 3: So when Blair was on Before Blair, Blair the primary

1531
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 3: school principal saying that he couldn't implement the maths in

1532
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 3: English curricular by early next year. We didn't have enough time. Hither,

1533
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 3: these teachers are lucky they don't work for Elon Musk

1534
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 3: because they would be told to do it in a week,

1535
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 3: never mind four months. Hither, these teachers should already know

1536
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 3: primary level maths in English. They trained for three years

1537
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 3: to be teachers. As for the one hundred page document

1538
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 3: they have to read, this is life all of us

1539
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: who are working have to read. Most teachers would be

1540
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 3: behind this. Hither, I'm in a school board. We started

1541
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 3: the stuff six months ago. It's going amazing, so much better. Heither,

1542
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 3: as a retired teacher, I think they should know the

1543
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 3: stuff they're supposed to teach. A new curriculum is only

1544
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: a list of bits of which bits they have to teach.

1545
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 3: The problem is that for a very long time people

1546
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 3: have been becoming teachers with little or no ability in

1547
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 3: maths themselves, and tonies onto it. We already know this stuff,

1548
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: for goodness sake. Hither, it's not rocket science teaching basic

1549
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 3: maths in English to ten year old buttons. The chimps

1550
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 3: could do it, Thank you, John. Listen question for you.

1551
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 3: So are saying to producer Andy whose eldest is three

1552
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 3: and a half, and are saying to produce a Laura

1553
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 3: whose eldest is two and one month? You know, no,

1554
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 3: that's more. You still count the extra month because it's

1555
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 3: a big deal anyway. So I was saying to them

1556
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 3: before do they think it's clever that Eggie who's two

1557
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 3: and a half can count to three? Now I'm not

1558
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 3: meaning like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine, ten,

1559
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 3: Like who can't do that at two and a half,

1560
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 3: Like he can count to fifteen or something like that,

1561
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 3: big deal whipped to do. But if you put three

1562
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 3: apples in front of him, ask so damn how many

1563
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 3: apples there? He used to go one to day for five, six, seven,

1564
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 3: eight nineteen right, And then they were like whatever. I'd

1565
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: be like, okay, you have not got the concept. But

1566
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: now he can count one, two, three, and we'll finish

1567
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 3: at three because there are three apples. I said to them,

1568
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: I think that's really clever for two and a half.

1569
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 3: They said to me, I am your typical parent and yeah, Heather,

1570
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 3: he's a genius. Wow, can you please just just arbitrate

1571
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 3: on this? It does feel clever to me that two

1572
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 3: and a half you can count the actual number of

1573
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 3: stuff that's there, then't nine two nine two quarter past

1574
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 3: six crunching.

1575
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,879
Speaker 1: The numbers and getting the results.

1576
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: It's Heather due for ce Ellen with the business hours

1577
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: thanks to my the hr platform for sme on NEWSTALKSV.

1578
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 25: Right.

1579
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 3: Let's face it, Kee, we small business owners have been

1580
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 3: through the ringer lately. Right, Who doesn't know that they're

1581
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 3: jugging a million juggling a million things. The last thing

1582
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1583
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1586
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1594
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1597
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Speaker 1: Would ever do for cls Hey, it sounds like the.

1598
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 3: The old equity race for Auckland Airport has has gone

1599
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 3: very well. The book build was oversubscribed closed by midday today.

1600
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 3: That is barely twenty four hours after being announced. So

1601
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 3: they'll be pleased about that. Obviously the airlines have been

1602
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 3: whinging about it. Quite the opposite nineteen past six. Now

1603
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 3: the state of the economy will be revealed on Thursday

1604
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 3: when the GDP for Q two is out. It's wide

1605
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 3: the expected that GDP went backwards again. Brad Olson is

1606
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 3: in for metrics principle economist and with us now ay

1607
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 3: Brad good evening, what do you reckon? What are you picking?

1608
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 14: The infanmetrics pick is a point two percent quarterly fall,

1609
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 14: so sort of in the middle of the range by

1610
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 14: the Oxford of most of the major forecast is everyone

1611
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 14: in New Zealand looking like the packing sort of anywhere

1612
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 14: between point one and point five percent down. Long story short,

1613
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 14: that doesn't sound huge, but it's that continuation of weaker

1614
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 14: and weaker economic conditions and we're likely to probably see

1615
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 14: that persist for the rest of this year. Of course,

1616
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 14: we're wanting to get a bit of a gauge on

1617
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 14: how different parts of the economy are going. We know that,

1618
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 14: for example, healthcare has still been quite a large growing area,

1619
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 14: but we'll be looking at or trying to get a

1620
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 14: bit more detail on how households are feeling, if there's

1621
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 14: you know, how bad and a sense investment decisions are getting.

1622
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 14: So a lot of details that will be picking over

1623
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 14: on Thursday. But again that activity here there was what

1624
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 14: three months ago now, so it is very much in

1625
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 14: the rearview mirror. Will be also, i mean comparing some

1626
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 14: of those figures with some of the more recent economic

1627
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 14: indicators to try and give us a gauge for how

1628
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 14: challenging the economy still is and maybe when we're expecting

1629
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 14: it to turn around the other way.

1630
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,799
Speaker 3: So what we're seeing at the moment, obviously, thank godness,

1631
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 3: is all the interest rates coming back. The home loan

1632
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: lending rates. How long before we actually start to see

1633
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 3: this playing a role in GDP.

1634
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 14: Look, I think it's probably another almost six to nine

1635
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 14: months away, just because of how long it's going to

1636
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 14: take for all of those households to refix onto lower

1637
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 14: mortgage traits. I mean, but you're right, it's probably a

1638
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 14: little bit quicker than normal downturns in a sense because

1639
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 14: households have been primed for lower interest rates. And let's

1640
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 14: be clear, I feel like the downslide at the moment

1641
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 14: in mortgage rates is probably faster than any of us predicted.

1642
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 14: You know, I saw another of the major banks cut

1643
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 14: their rates today. They're now I think the one year

1644
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 14: is sitting at something like six point two nine, So

1645
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 14: things really are starting to move now.

1646
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,560
Speaker 18: Of course, not every household.

1647
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 14: Refixes their mortgage three seconds later, so it will take

1648
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 14: a bit of time. And what we're sort of thinking

1649
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 14: at the moment is that the next six to nine

1650
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 14: months is probably going to be dominated by fewer job

1651
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 14: opportunities coming through further increases to unemployment.

1652
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 22: But get through to.

1653
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 14: Twenty twenty five, as people are refixing their mortgages, they've

1654
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 14: got a bit more spare cash they're spending a bit

1655
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 14: more in the economy. There's more jobs that come forward,

1656
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 14: and that's when we think that economic mojo comes back

1657
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 14: a bit.

1658
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you, Brad always is. Thank

1659
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 3: you very much, mate, look after yourself. It's Brad Olson

1660
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 3: Infimetric's principle economists here. The iggy's only clever if he

1661
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 3: knows that the apples are vegan and whether they organic.

1662
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 3: Cannot what variety that identifiers? That said, that's obviously a

1663
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 3: horticulturalist who sent that through. That's the kind of thing

1664
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 3: you'll teaching your child at the moment here that yes,

1665
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 3: counting with the enumeration, which is one number for each object.

1666
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 3: Are you listening to this? Are you listening to this?

1667
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 3: Laura and Andy, listen to this? Counting for with a

1668
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 3: room enumeration one number for each object at Eggy's age

1669
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 3: is not typical of a two and a half year old.

1670
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 3: It's not unusual either, though that's from Linda who's qualified

1671
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 3: as a kindergarten teacher. What that means, No, it's not

1672
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 3: a wah whah wah wah.

1673
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 18: Andy.

1674
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 3: Actually, what that means is that it's not it's not normal,

1675
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 3: but it doesn't make him like a super genius. It

1676
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 3: just makes him a smart cad. That's all so that.

1677
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: But you know what, can your child do it?

1678
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 16: Can?

1679
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: Can she do it?

1680
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 3: Does she counter three? Just coow three apples? She's got

1681
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 3: a year on him, so obviously she can, right, she

1682
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 3: could counter thirty at three and a half. Well, now

1683
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 3: I've got a goal oka like child Olympics here here

1684
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 3: that my three year old could. Can your three year

1685
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 3: old do this?

1686
01:19:58,040 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: Though?

1687
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 3: Andy? My three year old can count one hundred and

1688
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: then backwards again by three because we spent a lot

1689
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 3: of the time in the car and that's what we

1690
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 3: did to pass the time. Can she do that? Well?

1691
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: You know so anyway, Yeah, Heather, my nephew just turned

1692
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 3: two and he can count to ten, He knows all

1693
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: his colors, et cetera. All doting parents think their child's

1694
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 3: advance is great to see how much he's loved. Do

1695
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 3: you know what this is a sign of? This is

1696
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 3: what I'm to thank you, Amy, as always, Amy, It

1697
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: DAGs a woman to put it in perspective. What it is,

1698
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: basically is we love our children and we want them

1699
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 3: to be special, don't we? And that's bloody awesome isn't it.

1700
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 3: So if your child can count to one hundred and

1701
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 3: then back again at three, if my child can count

1702
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,879
Speaker 3: three apples, if Andy's child can count to thirty, whatever,

1703
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 3: just the mere fact that we care about that says

1704
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 3: a lot about us as parents. So you know what,

1705
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 3: round of applause for us? Gone? Andy, do that thing again.

1706
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: They can break New Zealanders, that's right, they can the

1707
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 3: citizens of us stop it. Crack me that's more like it. Yeah,

1708
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 3: that's right. Don't worry if future citizens future rotten does

1709
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 3: ya six twenty three.

1710
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

1711
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with hither duperic Allen and my

1712
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy SMEs newstalks Abhither.

1713
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 3: You should sign Eggy up as a relief teacher. I

1714
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 3: mean he might help with that English and maths curriculum. Actually,

1715
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 3: six twenty six with us Now is Jamie mckaye Host

1716
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 3: of the Country, Hi, Jamie?

1717
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 22: Can I hear that?

1718
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 16: Hey?

1719
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: So the farmers are feeling a bit better, are they?

1720
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 25: Well, they're feeling more positive economically than poor old Tory

1721
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,799
Speaker 25: is the poor thing? Look the latest Rabobank rural confidence

1722
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 25: survey has come out and farmers are now at net

1723
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 25: positive levels and confidence for the first time since quarter

1724
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 25: four of twenty twenty one. And the things they're positive

1725
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 25: about higher commodity prices that's making forty percent of them happy.

1726
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 25: Falling interest rates is making thirty one percent of them happy.

1727
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 25: What they can't do much about, unfortunately, like a lot

1728
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 25: of people in business and just people run a household,

1729
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 25: is rising input costs. Forty eight percent of them remained

1730
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 25: concerned at those so unsurprisingly also, Heather Dairy farmers are

1731
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 25: now the most optimistic of all the farming groups in

1732
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 25: New Zealand. Not a surprise really when you consider the

1733
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,600
Speaker 25: futures market is sitting at nine dollars. They are the experts,

1734
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 25: mainly my man at Jordan, Mike McIntyre. I'll give them

1735
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 25: a shout outs, predicting a two to three percent lift

1736
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 25: of tonight's GDT auction. Dairy end Z also came out

1737
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 25: with their in house tall the Econ Tracker. They're saying

1738
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 25: that the forecasts payouts eight dollars eighty four, but interestingly

1739
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 25: break even is sitting at over eight dollars at eight

1740
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 25: oh nine, So literally, even with these potentially really good

1741
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 25: dairy prices. Heither, we're still barely going to make a

1742
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 25: buck figuratively, of course, I mean.

1743
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, true, right, Jammie, listen, I'm federat to farmers. Big

1744
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 3: day tomorrow? Is it tomorrow?

1745
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1746
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 25: Blowing out one hundred and twenty five handles, eighteenth of

1747
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 25: September eighteen ninety niner it's a great story. A Northland

1748
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 25: dairy farmer by the name of Thomas Smith recognized the

1749
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 25: need for a single unified voice to strength and farmer's

1750
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 25: position to create leverage when engaging with the government. This

1751
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 25: is back in eighteen ninety nine, So fast forward a

1752
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 25: decade to nineteen ten and a guy by the name

1753
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 25: of Henry Ackland who ran Mount Peel Station. Interestingly, the

1754
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 25: current chair of Beef and Lamb New Zealand, Kate Ackland,

1755
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 25: is married to a descendant, David. So in nineteen ten

1756
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 25: Henry decided that they needed to do likewise in the

1757
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 25: South Island to promote the interests of sheep farmers and

1758
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 25: address issues like fluctuating wall prices, disease outbreaks and the

1759
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 25: need for improved farming practices and infrastructure. Interestingly, also he

1760
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 25: stayed in that position, so he started in nineteen ten.

1761
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 25: He held that position until his death in nineteen forty two.

1762
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 25: And then just after World War II, they've bind the

1763
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 25: New Zealand Farmers Union and the sheep owners combined and

1764
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 25: they into one organization. And that's the organization we know.

1765
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 25: It's Federated Farmers Now.

1766
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 3: Amazing stuff. I'm looking forward to celebrating it with them. Jammie,

1767
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 3: thanks very much, Jemmy Mchaie, Host of the Country. Hey,

1768
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 3: by the way, news just end the All Blacks have

1769
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 3: sold out sky Stadium. Remember they didn't sell out sky Stadium.

1770
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 3: They didn't sell it out for the game, but they've

1771
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 3: sold it out for the Wallabes game, which is not

1772
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 3: this weekend but next weekend. Here that my boy could

1773
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 3: have a golf ball seventy meters at three heither. We

1774
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 3: used to send out three year old and new quad

1775
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 3: BikeE to the back of the farm to get the

1776
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 3: cows in while I had afternoon to choose. That's fun,

1777
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: a like they think it's fun, You're just making them work.

1778
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 3: They don't realize headline's next. And then the Kiwi company

1779
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 3: riding the Ozempic wave.

1780
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business Hour

1781
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: with Heather duple c Allens and my HR The HR

1782
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: Solution for busy sms on News Talk ZB No, when

1783
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 2: you're pla you thank him down.

1784
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 3: Me when you're riding where he's driving.

1785
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 1: Now you live in.

1786
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 3: Last damn zimminground either. My wife used to roll her

1787
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 3: grandfather's cigarettes and light them for him at the age

1788
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 3: of three. Now I feel like that is that is

1789
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 3: I can almost certainly say something that no child, no

1790
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 3: child of any employees of Ens and me, will be

1791
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 3: learning anytime soon. She did it because he had a

1792
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 3: stroke and in her plunket book it had a note

1793
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 3: which said baby must stop smoking. Lord, they would they

1794
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 3: would take that child off you nowadays, Hey, Hugh Edwards, right,

1795
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 3: this man alive? Do you remember how the story started?

1796
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 3: The story started all I think it was like last

1797
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 3: year when he was busted for that rudy picture online,

1798
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 3: you know, the rudy picture online where he was, you know,

1799
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 3: flashing his bum to somebody. And at the start it

1800
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is just a bit a little

1801
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 3: bit strange, and he was sort of, you know, buying

1802
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 3: photographs of a guy who was like old enough, but

1803
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 3: it was just a bit yark and so the whole

1804
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 3: thing just felt like, ah, it just doesn't feel right.

1805
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 3: But now, oh my gosh. I don't know if you've

1806
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 3: been following this, but the revelations in court in the

1807
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 3: UK is so much more grim than anyone could have

1808
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 3: imagined back then. Anyway, people are furious because he was

1809
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 3: sentenced overnight and he managed to avoid jail. It's really

1810
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: contrasts quite remarkably. We are talking about child sex pictures

1811
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 3: here right. This contrast quite remarkably with someone recently who

1812
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 3: just said some nasty stuff online and went to jail

1813
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 3: for it. And yet this guy child sex pictures doesn't

1814
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 3: go to jail. How do you explain that? Andder Brady's

1815
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:35,560
Speaker 3: going to be with us in ten minutes time to

1816
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 3: talk us through it. Also, P Diddy news just coming

1817
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 3: out of the UK has been arrested. He was busted

1818
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 3: in a Manhattan hotel, taken into custody and although at

1819
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 3: the moment no official reason for why he's been arrested,

1820
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 3: it's believed that he's been charged with racketeering and sex

1821
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 3: trafficking of all things twenty one away from seven Heather

1822
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 3: du for see Alan. Now the weight loss industry is

1823
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 3: on track to become one hundred and fifty billion dollar

1824
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 3: industry just in the next six years or so. And

1825
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 3: a kiwweight loss company is riding on the coattails of

1826
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 3: the azemba craze with a huge increase in sales in

1827
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: the US. It's callo curb Kalokub was developed with the

1828
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 3: help of plant and food. It's a pill that reduces

1829
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 3: hunger and cravings in women particularly. Sarah Kennedy is the

1830
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 3: founder and the chief executive of Callow Kurban with us. Now, Hey, Sarah, hi, hi,

1831
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 3: I'm well thinking about you guys pre date ozempic how

1832
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 3: much so you will you will be able to look

1833
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 3: at the effect that Ozempic's had on your business. How

1834
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 3: massive has it been?

1835
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 29: Oh, it's been extraordinary. And I'll tell you why ozempic is.

1836
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 29: Let's be a little Can I be science geeky for

1837
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 29: a minute.

1838
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 3: I'll go for it.

1839
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 29: Ozembic is actually a Ozemplic is actually a brand name

1840
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 29: for synthetic hormone GLP one that you inject in yourself,

1841
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 29: which tells the brain you're full. It just mimics a

1842
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 29: hormone that we have. So that's a brand name. In

1843
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 29: twenty twenty one, Nova Nordisk had their drug with Govi,

1844
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 29: which is the sister to ozmpic, approved for approof for obesity,

1845
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 29: so as zempic is for diabetes, what go v is

1846
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 29: now now in twenty twenty one twenty two, they spent

1847
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 29: a billion dollars on advertising in the US, so they

1848
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 29: educated the market on what GLP one did. Do you

1849
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 29: know they also took out two hundred and sixty thousand

1850
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 29: doctors for dinner and lunch. I don't think I'm getting

1851
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 29: anywhere near that, but you know, we're going to try.

1852
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 3: But this GLP one is, is this not basically what

1853
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 3: your product also releases?

1854
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 29: Yeah, so really interesting. They inject in a synthetic, so

1855
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 29: you inject yourself in. We stimulate your own natural release. Now,

1856
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 29: a lot of things will say that, like a Berberine

1857
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 29: or something like that will say that, but we stimulated

1858
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 29: at six hundred percent above baseline. You have to be

1859
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 29: above four hundred just to make a behavioral change. So

1860
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 29: we're six hundred.

1861
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 22: We did that.

1862
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 29: We know within an hour we reduce calorie and take

1863
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 29: by eighteen percent. And I think what the last clinical

1864
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 29: we just published a month ago in obesity pillars in

1865
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 29: the US, we did it in woman, and we showed

1866
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 29: that we reduced hunger by thirty percent, cravings by forty percent,

1867
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 29: and rebound eating by fourteen and a half. I mean,

1868
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 29: this is huge to get those behavioral changes. And this

1869
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 29: was developed here in New Zealand by plant and food research.

1870
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 3: Why does it have a greater effect on women than men?

1871
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 29: Oh, that's really interesting. Well, hypothesis is that women have

1872
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 29: a greater sensitivity to GLP one, so this natural hormone

1873
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 29: to tell you to stop eating to protect their fetuses.

1874
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 29: So it's basically yeah, it is, so that was that's

1875
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 29: a hypothesis for it woman. And we also do joke

1876
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 29: a little bit when when you know, when we're do

1877
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 29: doing these clinical studies, we do believe women foreign instructions

1878
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 29: more than men as well.

1879
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 3: I've done a clinical study in my marriage and I

1880
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 3: can tell you that's true.

1881
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1882
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 3: Now, now, you at one stage said that you believe

1883
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 3: that you have here in your hands a one billion

1884
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 3: dollar unicorn company. When are you going to hit the

1885
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 3: one billion mark?

1886
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,600
Speaker 29: Well, you know, just we are growing at four to

1887
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:32,759
Speaker 29: six hundred percent per quarter. This will be the twenty

1888
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 29: fifth conference that we've been to in fifteen months.

1889
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 18: We go again.

1890
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 29: We're literally going every month to these large conferences. Sorry,

1891
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 29: I'm taking a long way round. Do you know the

1892
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 29: main thing that people say to us we go to

1893
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 29: practitioner conferences, why haven't we heard of you before? Why

1894
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 29: haven't we heard of you? So the biggest thing for

1895
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 29: us in the US is not only word of mouth,

1896
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 29: it's advertising. No more, spent a billion dollars not We're

1897
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 29: not going to do that. And we don't have to

1898
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 29: do that because we are the only natural and let

1899
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 29: me say that, and we are the only natural one

1900
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 29: in the world and we're actually just being patented in

1901
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 29: December last year in the US.

1902
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 3: It's stuff. Now, given that Plants and Food was, you know,

1903
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 3: part of the development of this, does the government have

1904
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 3: a stake in it?

1905
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 29: Yes? Absolutely, we pay back a royalty to them. Well,

1906
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 29: I'd have to let Plant and Food say that. But

1907
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 29: I'm delighted by the royalty. And I'm not just being

1908
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 29: altruistic here. You know, I've been in New Zealand And

1909
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 29: in the science arena for many years and I'm absolutely

1910
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 29: delighted that we're paying back a part of all of

1911
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 29: our net sales to plant and food research, you know,

1912
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 29: And I think this is important to realize in science

1913
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 29: in New Zealand that early research is what would call

1914
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 29: blue skies. There was nothing commercial or no commercial company

1915
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 29: behind it, and that we can actually pay that money

1916
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 29: back into So I'd like the government to keep thinking

1917
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 29: about that blue Skies research because that's where we came from.

1918
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 3: Oh, Sarah, how fascinating. Hey, thank you and best of

1919
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 3: luck with everything. I hope it goes really well and

1920
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: you make us an extremely wealthy country. Sarah Kennedy, founder

1921
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,560
Speaker 3: and chief executive of Calokup. How good would that be

1922
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 3: if they were or the natural ozempica? We become the

1923
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 3: you know what? Who is it over?

1924
01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: Is it?

1925
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 3: Is it Finland or Denmark? It's Denmark, isn't it? As

1926
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 3: making all the money of ozm pic is like literally

1927
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 3: a portion of their GDP. Now imagine if that was us.

1928
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 3: How good care we Bank has cut its mortgage rates again,

1929
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 3: so the mortgage battle is still raging. Their one year rate,

1930
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 3: which is now six point two nine percent, is the

1931
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 3: best in the market. They've cut their shortening their long

1932
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 3: term rates somewhere between four and twenty basis points. Unfortunately,

1933
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 3: did cut the deposit rates as well, but there you go.

1934
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 3: It's on quarter two.

1935
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1936
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with the Heather Duplican and my HR

1937
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 2: the HR Solution for busy SMS on newstalk.

1938
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 3: Zb Indebradio UK correspondents with us.

1939
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 18: Now, Hey, hey, Heather, great to speak to you again.

1940
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 3: What do you make of Hugh Edward's avoiding jail.

1941
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 18: I think it's disgraceful really, if you ask me. He look,

1942
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 18: we're in a position now where there's basically no prison

1943
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 18: spaces left. That is how bad everything that Keir Starmer

1944
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 18: has inherited from the Conservatives. There's no more room left

1945
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 18: in prison.

1946
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Now.

1947
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 18: That wasn't mentioned in court yesterday, but it was possibly

1948
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,800
Speaker 18: a factor at the back of the magistrate's mind. He

1949
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,799
Speaker 18: initially said that, you know, this offense was so serious

1950
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 18: it would deserve twelve months in prison. However, he had

1951
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 18: pleaded guilty at the earliest opportunity, and on top of

1952
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 18: that there were mitigating factors like his mental health and

1953
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 18: alcohol consumption and his struggles with his sexuality. So the

1954
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 18: end result was he got six months suspended prison suspended.

1955
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 19: For two years.

1956
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 18: But his career is over. It ends in disgrace. He

1957
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 18: can't go anywhere, and I know it was last week

1958
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 18: on his LinkedIn he very briefly put up a message

1959
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 18: saying that he will be prepared to work for charities

1960
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 18: for free and nobody would have him. It was taken

1961
01:33:58,040 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 18: down a few hours later.

1962
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I take the argument about the

1963
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 3: jails being full, because they are, but you know, it's

1964
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 3: only about six weeks ago or five weeks ago that

1965
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:09,759
Speaker 3: you guys were popping people in jail for saying nasty

1966
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 3: things online. How on earth have you got to the

1967
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 3: point where you go to jail for something like that,

1968
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 3: but you don't go to jail for watching kiddie porn.

1969
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 18: Yeah, precisely. Look, it's a very very good point, and

1970
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 18: it's hard to argue against that. You know, there was

1971
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 18: a woman who got fifteen months for what she rolled

1972
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 18: on Facebook, fifteen months for a Facebook post, and he's

1973
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 18: basically trading or sending about three thousand dollars to a

1974
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 18: convicted sex offender for a grotesque images of children as

1975
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 18: young as seven, and he has managed to not go

1976
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 18: to prison. So there's a lot of anger about it.

1977
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 18: But I just I'm staggered at the fall from grace.

1978
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 18: We have never known anything like it. This was the

1979
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 18: guy who broke the news of the Queen's death. This

1980
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 18: was the guy who anchored UK election coverage. He was

1981
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 18: the king of the BBC newsroom and now he's basically

1982
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 18: a convicted sex offenders terrible.

1983
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 3: Is his wife standing by him?

1984
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 18: He's wearing his wet We don't know. We were told

1985
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 18: that they had split, but he went into court yesterday

1986
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 18: wearing a wedding ring, so we simply don't know. But

1987
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 18: people in the industry are just horrified. I mean it

1988
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:12,679
Speaker 18: is a spectacular fall from grace.

1989
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 3: I mean the guy is like uber famous in the UK.

1990
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 3: If you were in this position, wouldn't you just leave

1991
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 3: the country? Like he just needs to leave the country,

1992
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 3: doesn't he he does.

1993
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 18: Yeah, I don't know where he'll go. But look, if

1994
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 18: he has any remorse, if he's truly remorseful, he needs

1995
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 18: to reply to the BBC Director General, who's asked for

1996
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 18: four hundred thousand dollars of salary back because the BBC

1997
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 18: were stupid enough to keep paying him after he got arrested.

1998
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 18: I mean questions about the leadership of the BBC as well.

1999
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 18: I mean, show some courage, so show some moral duty.

2000
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 18: If a guy has been arrested for heenous allegations, get rid,

2001
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 18: don't keep paying him. He was on nearly nine hundred

2002
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 18: thousand n Z. I mean, you know, just so many questions.

2003
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,679
Speaker 3: Is part of the reason why they did that, Inda,

2004
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 3: because I was just reflecting about this earlier. At the start,

2005
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 3: it did not seem nearly as grim as what we

2006
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 3: are dealing with now and me at the start, it

2007
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 3: was just a kind of embarrassing photo online and he'd

2008
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 3: been talking to it and getting photos from a kid

2009
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 3: who was too young but legal what we're doing, hang.

2010
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 25: On, hang on.

2011
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 18: He wasn't arrested over that. He was arrested because South

2012
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 18: Wales police had this in their net. They got this

2013
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 18: sex offender who had a horrible interest in children. So

2014
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 18: it's too COMPLETECS.

2015
01:36:30,040 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes he was.

2016
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 18: He was arrested as part of this. The senior management

2017
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 18: knew about this, so the two things were completely separate.

2018
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 18: The first one was bad and often terrible, as it

2019
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 18: was with you know, front page news and the mother

2020
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 18: of the young boy saying, you know, this man, just

2021
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 18: stop contacting my child for indecent images, and then he

2022
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 18: gets arrested because South Wales police had got all the

2023
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 18: electronic devices from this sex offender and guess who he's

2024
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 18: been swapping images with and receiving money from.

2025
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 3: Terrible Jesus Grimy. Thank you very much. Thanks for all

2026
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,599
Speaker 3: of the detail there. That's into Brady, UK correspondent speaking

2027
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 3: of parking tickets, because you know how I feel about them.

2028
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 3: What about this text hither I got a parking ticket

2029
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 3: from New World for being nine minutes over the two

2030
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,560
Speaker 3: hour limit. When I checked my credit card statement to

2031
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 3: see if i'd shopped there that day, I realized I'd

2032
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 3: spend forty four thousand dollars there in the last three years,

2033
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,640
Speaker 3: which is two hundred and fifty bucks a week. So

2034
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 3: I sent them that reply an hour later from the

2035
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 3: store owner to rip up the parking ticket. That's how

2036
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 3: you do it. Eight away from seven, whether it's.

2037
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 2: Macro MicroB or just playing economics, it's all on the

2038
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 2: Business Hour with Heather duple c Allen and my HR,

2039
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme US talksp.

2040
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 3: Hey, if you're an Aucklander, I've got something for Aucklanders.

2041
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 3: I've got something for Wellingtonian's but it'll interest but certainly

2042
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 3: the second one will interest absolutely everybody for Aucklanders. The

2043
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 3: council did not participate in the capital rays at Auckland Airport.

2044
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 3: They were invited to, obviously, I would imagine because they

2045
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 3: have an existing shareholding there, decided that they weren't going

2046
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 3: to put any money. That does not come as a

2047
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 3: surprise because they're actually thinking about selling down. So fair enough,

2048
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 3: Tory fun no. So the big mystery for me right now,

2049
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 3: mystery of the day is where does Tory's money go?

2050
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 3: Two five hundred dollars at the end of the week

2051
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 3: and apparently she can't afford her bills so she had

2052
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 3: to sell her car. Well, somebody sent me a little

2053
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 3: email mentioning an article that she did some time ago

2054
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 3: in which she spoke about perhaps where she does spend

2055
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 3: her money. Tory keeps an eye on fashion trends on

2056
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 3: TikTok and brought in a personal stylist because quote, when

2057
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 3: you change your style, you can do it horribly wrong.

2058
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 3: The stylist used to work for Juliet Hogan, so Tory

2059
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 3: ended up spending a fair bit of money on the

2060
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 3: New Zealand designers' clothes. Maybe there so Cozy Lives crisis.

2061
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, But most people who are

2062
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 3: struggling to pay their bills do not shop at Juliet Hogan.

2063
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 3: In fact, I do not shop at Juliet Hogan because

2064
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 3: have you seen the prices at Juliet Hogan. But Tory

2065
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,599
Speaker 3: shops at Juliet Hogan. And I guess that's the difference

2066
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 3: why I didn't have to sell my car and she did.

2067
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 30: Andy, Yep, I'm on public transport, the loser cruiser.

2068
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 3: You don't shop at Juliet Hogan.

2069
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: No.

2070
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 3: Do you have a personal stylist though, because you look great?

2071
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 22: Please?

2072
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 30: You've got two children, so I get the beard trimmed

2073
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 30: a little bit, but that's about it.

2074
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 3: And your personal styling is just wearing a clean T shirt?

2075
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 3: Am I right?

2076
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 13: Yeah?

2077
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, mate, Yeah mate.

2078
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 30: Hey, this song tonight is for your son and also

2079
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 30: for Tito Jackson, who passed away. He was one of

2080
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 30: the founding members of the Iconic Jackson Five.

2081
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:35,480
Speaker 19: This is ABC.

2082
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 3: Also for all of the primary school teachers freaking about

2083
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:41,919
Speaker 3: freaking out about the English and maths curricula.

2084
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 1: Just sing this.

2085
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 30: My wife is a primary school teacher, you know that day.

2086
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she's not actually working at the moment. Is

2087
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 3: she so she's not complaining.

2088
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 30: No, no, she is.

2089
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:52,919
Speaker 3: She's working again. Is she complaining?

2090
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 13: No?

2091
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:55,120
Speaker 3: No, Because she's a good one. She's one of the

2092
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 3: silent majority.

2093
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 30: She's one of the good ones.

2094
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 7: She's one of your problem numbers.

2095
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's the silent majority. Going to get on with

2096
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 3: the job, isn't it?

2097
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 1: Well?

2098
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 30: She actually did bring up the curriculum over the game.

2099
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 30: She goes, Jeep, as I've been out of work. There's

2100
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 30: two new curriculums to be introduced, and then I'm gonna

2101
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 30: I reckon, we should take you along for a bit

2102
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 30: of a have a go day as a teacher and

2103
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 30: see how you go.

2104
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 3: I feel like that could actually be quite good. Should

2105
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 3: we do this?

2106
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:17,720
Speaker 30: Do you happen to any at home?

2107
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 16: Is that right?

2108
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 7: It's pretty relatable?

2109
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:21,759
Speaker 30: Oh, torri Faro?

2110
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: And herether?

2111
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 3: Well, hey, I didn't sell my car, did I? So

2112
01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm not complaining that. You know what, Andy, you're going

2113
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 3: to I'm going to sort you out later, aren't I?

2114
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 19: Still?

2115
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 3: I've got a fork here and I'm going to stab

2116
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 3: you with it in just a minute. Okay, anyway dirty

2117
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 3: because I'm the mum and I even bother to clean it.

2118
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: See you later.

2119
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 13: Bye.

2120
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 1: And then.

2121
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,960
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2122
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:58,120
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2123
01:40:58,160 --> 01:40:59,880
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