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Speaker 1: Privileges Committee got there on the end, Murray Party co

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Speaker 1: leaders packron Ytt is suspended for twenty one days as

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Speaker 1: Mighty Clark gets seven. They've been suspended under the notion

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Speaker 1: of contempt of the House. Judith Collins is of course

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Speaker 1: the Privileges Committee chair and as well, it's a very

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Speaker 1: good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh good morning mine.

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Speaker 1: Wheels turn a bit slowly in this, Judith or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's been a long process, Mike, and I'd say

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Speaker 2: that the Committee has undertaking every opportunity we can to

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Speaker 2: engage meaningfully with the three members of Parliament and we've given,

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Speaker 2: as I said, every opportunity, but eventually we've got their

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Speaker 2: towards determination.

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Speaker 1: Is it Are you allowed to talk about what happens

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Speaker 1: in the Privileges Committee? I mean we're universal in your view?

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Speaker 1: Do you go along party lines? Do you fight your

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Speaker 1: throw sandwhich is what happens.

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Speaker 2: Well over the six months it's been very collegial and

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Speaker 2: people have been working really hard across the committee to

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Speaker 2: try and come to consensus. But of course the factors

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Speaker 2: is that some people are going to see things differently.

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Speaker 2: But there's obviously near the end where it came down

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Speaker 2: to penalties. That's where there's a disagreement in particular, although

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Speaker 2: as you see from the reports from the differing views

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Speaker 2: of Labor Agreeens and to Party Mari even they are

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Speaker 2: differing from each other.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So just to bring everyone up to speed, who

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Speaker 1: doesn't follow the Privilegeous Committee. First of all, it's sitting

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Speaker 1: days or just days.

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Speaker 2: It's days. Well, that's so the suspension, well, no suspension

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Speaker 2: carries with it a lack of salary for twenty one days.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a very severe penalty compared to what else

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Speaker 2: has been awarded in the past. So suspension is not

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Speaker 2: only from the House, it's suspension from salary. So that's

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Speaker 2: actually quite we haven't had that for that period of

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Speaker 2: time before. But then, as I say, we've never seen

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Speaker 2: that level of behavior before either.

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Speaker 1: I'll come to that time in a moment. The vote

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Speaker 1: it needs to be voted on. Would you expect it

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Speaker 1: to be confirmed vote wise, well.

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Speaker 2: I expect it will be confirmed on Tuesday for the vote,

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Speaker 2: but look, hopefully some other parties will come across. But

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's very much clear that the MP's

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Speaker 2: on the Privilegous Committee. The National Act and New Zealand

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Speaker 2: first MPs felt this was a reasonable position, and given everything,

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Speaker 2: I really do think it was a reasonable position to

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Speaker 2: come to.

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Speaker 1: Are they contry it in any way given the way

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Speaker 1: they behaved. I mean, if this is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: some sort of deterrent, I don't see it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these people are lawen to themselves, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a de terrent for many people. But

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Speaker 2: the main thing is it's about that day and what happened.

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Speaker 2: We found some level of contrition from as Mighty Clark,

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Speaker 2: the least experience of the MPs, but only from the

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Speaker 2: point she had apologized to the speaker herself for the next day,

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Speaker 2: so that was something. And I think, you know, we

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Speaker 2: also learned from her media comments that there was quite

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Speaker 2: a level of premeditation, which of course did not help

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Speaker 2: the case.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching you yesterday, Judith and Brooken. What's become of us?

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Speaker 1: The hell is going on?

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Speaker 2: But you know, there's a lack of civility now and

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Speaker 2: it's not acceptable and I feel that, you know, the

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Speaker 2: comments of the print journalist in the Sunday Star Times

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Speaker 2: this last Sunday was one of the lowest points I

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Speaker 2: think I've seen in twenty three years that and what

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Speaker 2: happened on the fourteenth of November and Parliament. It's just

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Speaker 2: the sort of behavior towards each other that is despicable.

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Speaker 2: So I'd say to Brook, you know, I wouldn't use

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Speaker 2: the word myself, but I did feel that she at

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Speaker 2: least stood up for herself and for all the rest

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Speaker 2: of us. And I am waiting for someone of the

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Speaker 2: left persuasion in our parliament, one MP, just one to

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Speaker 2: come out and say it's not okay to attack people

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Speaker 2: just because you don't agree with what they do.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agreement, that's one, all right, talk to you, Judith Collins,

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