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Speaker 1: Not questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Dupercy Ellen, Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

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Speaker 2: That'd be afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: We've got our first draft report from the Infrastructure Commission

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Speaker 2: and it's not telling me anything you don't already know.

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Speaker 2: We do not get banged for buck for our dollars

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Speaker 2: that we spend on building. And speak to the Commission

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Speaker 2: after five Israel's ambassador on why they're annoying Trump so much?

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Speaker 2: And yep, the retirement age again. Should over sixty five

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Speaker 2: year olds on more than two hundred thousand dollars be

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Speaker 2: allowed to get the pension?

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Cy Allen.

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Speaker 2: Look, I know it's very hard for some of us

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Speaker 2: to admit that Donald Trump may actually be right some

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Speaker 2: of the time. But if things at NATO go the

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Speaker 2: way that they're predicted to go, we're about to see

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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump may actually be right some of the

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Speaker 2: time and that actually, maybe his unorthodox style may get

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Speaker 2: results some of the time. So what's happening is NATO

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Speaker 2: leaders are gathering in Brussels right now. They're expected in

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Speaker 2: the next few hours to agree that they will all

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Speaker 2: lift their spending on defense to five percent of GDP.

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Speaker 2: Now that is huge given that right now some of

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Speaker 2: those countries, for example, Spain, are spending as little as

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Speaker 2: one point three percent of GDP on defense. And the

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Speaker 2: more important thing here is that they've completely ignored an

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Speaker 2: agreement that they will made back in twenty fourteen to

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Speaker 2: spend two percent on GDP. They now agreeing to more

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Speaker 2: than double that. Now, some of that to be fair

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Speaker 2: and to be realistic about the situation. Some of that,

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Speaker 2: quite a lot of that will be because Russia is

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Speaker 2: freaking them out right. Since twenty fourteen, Russia started doing

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Speaker 2: to up their own defenses to protect themselves. But some

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Speaker 2: of it is also because they can't rely on Trump anymore,

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Speaker 2: because he said they can't rely on him anymore, and

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Speaker 2: he told them to buck up their ideas and if

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Speaker 2: of NATO. Just cast your mind back for a second

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Speaker 2: to how the world reacted when he said that countries

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Speaker 2: were alarmed. Analysts warned it up the alliance. People thought

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Speaker 2: it now, he's been effective. Spending has been lifted. Now

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Speaker 2: I realize it's a strange time for him to be

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Speaker 2: proved right on one front when we are smack bang

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Speaker 2: where he is using again very unconventional methods to try

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Speaker 2: to get a result. Now, who knows what's going to

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Speaker 2: happen there? Who knows that his unorthodox behavior is actually

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Speaker 2: going to work with Israel? Israel or Iran, we don't know,

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Speaker 2: but it certainly has with NATO because look at the

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Speaker 2: results today. He was right and their spending is now

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Speaker 2: up together due for nine two is the text number?

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Speaker 2: Standard text fees apply. Now Auckland, what about this? The

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Speaker 2: government has announced it's going to force Auckland Council to

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The new rules will apply to developments within walking distance

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Speaker 2: Richard Hills is an Auckland City councilor and with us.

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Speaker 4: Now, hey, Richard, sure, how's it going, oh.

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Speaker 2: Good, I think there are going to be some people

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Speaker 5: allow us to do that, but on the proviso that

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Speaker 2: What is walking distance?

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Speaker 5: It is likely to under the the.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so there was already requirements.

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Speaker 2: No, don't don't explain, just answer. Don't you think people

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Speaker 5: The council needs to vote on it first and then

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Speaker 2: Through I thought the government you do you get the

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Speaker 5: They know they will force us to do put notify

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Speaker 5: you haven't done your job here. So there will be

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Speaker 5: a conversation to have with those communities that yes, you

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Speaker 2: Now do we have how many? I mean we must

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, I don't believe.

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Speaker 2: It's not because if you've seen how high a fifteen

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Speaker 2: Mate, that's going to dwarf everything. Will it be even

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Speaker 2: To another problem because I thought everybody's supposed to have

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Speaker 2: All right, now tell me your personal view. Do you

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Speaker 5: I love the fact that a lot of people say

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Speaker 2: Richard thank you appreciate your time as always look after yourself.

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Speaker 2: That's Richard Hill's Auckland counselor. Actually, speaking of heritage, I

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Speaker 2: Be Darcy Watergrave, sports talk hosters of Me. Hello Darce,

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Speaker 2: Greetings Heather. Now here. We were a week ago being

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Speaker 2: mean to Auckland the football club, and it turns out, actually.

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Speaker 6: What do you mean we were being mean? Who was

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Speaker 6: being mean? You were being mean?

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Speaker 1: I was?

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Speaker 6: I was like, it's fair enough their amateurs. Yes, and

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Speaker 6: they've gone over there to play the best football teams

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Speaker 6: on the planner.

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Speaker 2: Now look at what they've done.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's an interesting book end, isn't it. First get

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Speaker 6: hammered by the Germans ten zip and then they end

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Speaker 6: by drawing with boccer juniors.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you've read much of the press

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Speaker 7: around the Argenti press are freaking out an embarrassment.

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Speaker 6: I know, well, you just beaten in a game of football.

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Speaker 6: They would have rolled in and gone. They've already let

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Speaker 6: that means they were one now up Boccer juniors.

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Speaker 2: So are you telling me that in a one to

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Speaker 2: one game Auckland scored both the goals, didn't score any embarrassing.

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Speaker 6: Boker Juniors were eliminated from the FIFA Club World Championship.

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Speaker 6: And I quote and the worst possible way and historic

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Speaker 6: embarrassment are they've been beaten by a team made up

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Speaker 2: Winston, who runs the sports department at the Herald, said

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Speaker 2: to me that this is the equivalent of the All

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Speaker 2: Whites and twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: But it's still huge, huge for their level, it's still huge.

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Speaker 6: And this teacher just walking around going what on earth happened?

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Speaker 2: Did you see the name of the trainee teacher, Christian Gray?

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Speaker 2: You know what? That is a you know what?

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Speaker 6: You never read it, never read it?

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Speaker 6: We're going to have an amazing spring of cricket kind

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Speaker 2: Darcy, thank you for that, Darcy water Grave, sports talk host.

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Speaker 2: He'll be back at seven this evening. It's full twenty.

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Speaker 2: That'd be twenty five past four. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: hear something special? This is what Donald Trump has put

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Speaker 2: on his social media. That's right, Barbara Ann And why

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Speaker 2: what world are we living in right now? This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Heather, did I hear you say a few minutes

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Speaker 2: ago that Trump may have been right? Don't be so rash? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Come on, Murray, Hey, did you already misunderstand what I said.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't saying that he's right. I said, we will

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Speaker 2: He is one hundred percent being proven right with requiring

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Speaker 2: There's nothing rash about that. The case has been proven.

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Speaker 2: They're about to agree to five percent. So there you go, Heather,

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Speaker 2: do for see, Allen, I've got to talk about what

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Speaker 2: Do you think they ask journo's Do they think they

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Speaker 8: Shortly news Country be.

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Speaker 1: Putting the challenging questions to the people. At the heart

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Speaker 9: Ramen or seven day?

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Speaker 2: There's ry, apologize to the stuff journo was apparently not

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Speaker 2: the correction. Can you please stop using the word famous

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Speaker 10: Now?

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Speaker 2: New Zealand apparently is not getting banged for buck when

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Speaker 2: have a chat to them. There is a lot actually

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Speaker 2: in this to unpack. They've made seventeen recommendations for various

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have chat to them about it alfter five.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstogs'd.

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Speaker 2: Be drive by between Iran and Israel appears to be holding.

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Speaker 2: It was off to a shaky start this morning. Both

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Speaker 10: You know, when I say, okay, now you have twelve hours,

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Speaker 10: I'm not happy with the run either, But I'm really

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Speaker 2: and more bad news for Trump. According to a report

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Speaker 11: There are clearly figures in Washington and very keen to

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Speaker 2: The White House obviously says the report is inaccurate. And finally,

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Speaker 2: a professional diver has managed to retrieve a woman's wedding

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest, that was a blingy ass

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Speaker 12: Hey, Dan, Hey, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Look, I know the White House is trying to play

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, well, we're starting to hear and some

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Speaker 2: How's it gone down with you guys? Him dropping the

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Speaker 3: I was surprised by that. That is just something that

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Speaker 2: Do you guys, I mean, you know you My experience

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Speaker 3: Well, it is, and it's it's funny because you'll go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, now, what's happened to this Norwegian tourist

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Speaker 3: Well it was. And this is a guy that's in

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Speaker 3: memes like this, it doesn't matter who it is. I

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Speaker 3: don't care what political party you're with. It's it's just funny.

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Speaker 3: But he says, you know, he was sent on his

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Speaker 3: way home to Norway the same.

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Speaker 2: Bad It is just a picture of jas with no head.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's like these these oh I don't

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Speaker 3: know what they do. Some of the newspapers over here,

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Speaker 3: we'll say, guess who the celebrity is, and they kind

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Speaker 3: of tweak the image a little bit, sure of know

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Speaker 3: who it is, but you don't. And that's kind of

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Speaker 3: what it was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's olvious this is obviously being lift to

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Speaker 2: the discretion of the border officials, right, And some of

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Speaker 2: them are always just very touchy, an't I Oh.

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Speaker 3: I think so, you know. I think some of them

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Speaker 3: are are concerned about their jobs. I think some are

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Speaker 3: getting orders from the top down to say, okay, you know,

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Speaker 3: this is what we're going to do right now, just

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Speaker 3: to you know, please the boss.

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Speaker 2: But some of them pitch, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I think that's a good way to put

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why we're seeing, you know, the

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Speaker 3: numbers drop on tourism over here, because so many people

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Speaker 3: that I've talked to from Canada and over in the

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Speaker 3: UK say they're just so concerned about coming over here

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Speaker 3: and getting through security, more so than you know, traveling

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Speaker 3: around the US. It's just what they have to put

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Speaker 3: up with getting into the country.

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Speaker 2: Can I explain to me how a woman married a

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Speaker 2: guy and he didn't know that she'd done it.

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Speaker 3: This usually would be a story that we would say

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Speaker 3: is coming out of Florida, but it's not. This is

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Speaker 3: a Texas And he found out that he was married.

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Speaker 3: He had not attended the wedding. He went home and

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Speaker 3: he found this gift bag and it contained a copy

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Speaker 3: of a marriage license that had been filed with the

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Speaker 3: county clerk's office and a picture from his ex holding

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Speaker 3: a marriage certificate, and there was a tag that said congrats.

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Speaker 3: Maybe call your wife. So he contacted the police department,

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Speaker 3: and they had been in a relationship and they had

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Speaker 3: actually obtained a marriage license earlier this month, but they

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Speaker 3: broke up before the wedding, so police got a warrant

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Speaker 3: and they arrested her for I think it was felony

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Speaker 3: stocking and and took her into custody. How strange is

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Speaker 3: that people are?

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Speaker 12: Way, how strangers they are.

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Speaker 2: I've got a text from Rob saying, can you please

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Speaker 2: tell us what the seven words are?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 2: I can't, Well can you go? I mean obviously see

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Speaker 2: bomb I F bomb s word Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those those those are the those are those those.

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Speaker 2: Are the top three?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? In where you don't want to yeah, and the

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Speaker 3: m and the F word, and you know those are

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Speaker 3: those you know't google them.

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Speaker 2: You don't know what they are, do you? You don't

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Speaker 2: even know where they are.

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Speaker 3: I know what, four or five of them. Mar it's

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Speaker 3: the other couple that I'm not because you know.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be a couple of low level ones

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Speaker 2: there that aren't that bad. Hey, thank you, Dan, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent here that you are

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Speaker 2: such a hypocrite you support nude beaches but have a

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Speaker 2: problem with a legend dropping the F bomb. You will

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Speaker 2: suffer from Trump derangement syndrome. Sattle down. I didn't say

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Speaker 2: I had a problem with it. This is how listen.

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Speaker 2: I get this nonsense at home all the time. I

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Speaker 2: do not need it at work. At home, I cannot

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Speaker 2: even talk about Donald Trump without without me having to

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Speaker 2: leave the room because, oh, mate, is he has got TDS.

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Speaker 2: He's got Trump Arrangement syndrome so badly you cannot say

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Speaker 2: anything nice about do You can't even say, well, Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump's got bronzed his hair nicely today, yet that particular

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Speaker 2: shade of spray is looking good on him. The guy,

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Speaker 2: he's just rah. And so if I say anything. So

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Speaker 2: apparently I've said something as slightly sounds like I don't

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Speaker 2: like I'm not loving Donald Trump today, and you've gone

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Speaker 2: meant to let me settle down about Donald Trump. Please.

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Speaker 14: I don't know if I've ever liked the way that

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Speaker 14: Donald Trump's pade his hair though to be here.

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Speaker 2: The other day it was looking okay. I mean, normally

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Speaker 2: he goes for quite like a hay Hue, but this

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Speaker 2: this day it was a little bit more nutty. It

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Speaker 2: was a bit more brown. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Did you didn't? You didn't notice that?

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Speaker 14: It's never really cut through with me?

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Speaker 2: No, you didn't look that closely. Okay, thank you for

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Speaker 2: dealing with that conversation with me rationally. And it's rather

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Speaker 2: than losing your mind over it. By the way, if

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Speaker 2: you haven't court Donald Trump's f bomb yet, here it is.

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Speaker 10: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so

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Speaker 10: long and so hard that they don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 10: You understand that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Hey's angry. Hey needs his HRT patch, do

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? He's had it up to

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Speaker 2: here with Israel anyway. Israel's ambassador is going to be

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Speaker 2: with us after five so We'll ask what did they

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Speaker 2: do to make him so?

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Speaker 1: Cross quarter two politics with centrics credit, check your customers

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Speaker 1: and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us Hey Thomas Heather. Okay, Thomas,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about Faro Order. So Final Order has done

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Speaker 2: an ad and what is this ad for?

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Speaker 15: The add is to encourage young Mary or anyone who's

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Speaker 15: Marty to join the Maori electoral role. Obviously, it's it's

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Speaker 15: controversial because governments in the past have obviously try to

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Speaker 15: encourage people to sign up to join the electoral role

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Speaker 15: so that they can vote. That's non controversial. Every election

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Speaker 15: the Orange Chap comes around and does it. What is

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Speaker 15: controversial is that this ad features tama at uh runs

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Speaker 15: a list of names of people who have recently signed

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Speaker 15: up on the Maori electoral role. What the government hasn't

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Speaker 15: really done in the past has been to tell people, well,

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Speaker 15: you should you should join the Maori role, not the

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Speaker 15: not the general role, which is sort of what this

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Speaker 15: this ad does. It doesn't really say don't join the

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Speaker 15: general role. It just says basically, joined the Maori role.

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Speaker 15: Why that is controversial and why Shane Jones is singling

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Speaker 15: it out is is that it is a wee bit political.

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Speaker 15: I guess it is obviously funnel Worra, the funal Wora

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Speaker 15: Commissioning Agency is publicly funded and and the Maori seats

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Speaker 15: at the moment are really dragged races between Labor and

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Speaker 15: Party Malori. They don't really feature feature the other parties

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Speaker 15: too much. And obviously if Party Malori does well in

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Speaker 15: those seats then they might generate an overhang which gives

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Speaker 15: the left parties a bit of an advantage. So it

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Speaker 15: is on the face of it, it looks pretty inappropriate.

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Speaker 15: David Seymour, the acting Prime Minister, said, Tama Potak is

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Speaker 15: looking into it today, so it would be very interesting

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Speaker 15: to hear what he has to say.

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Speaker 2: What power does he have if he doesn't like it.

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Speaker 15: It's not the funnel or of money comes from the government,

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Speaker 15: but it is uh and and and and that is

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Speaker 15: exactly what David Seymour has said. The question is whether

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Speaker 15: this spending was within the was within the boundaries set

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Speaker 15: by the contract that was inked. So obviously if that

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Speaker 15: if the spending occurred in a way that was inconsistent

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Speaker 15: with the with the contract that that the government gave

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Speaker 15: then then there would be an issue, so they might

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Speaker 15: have power to actually sort of say, well, look, you know,

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Speaker 15: not a good this, this is an appropriate spending. I

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Speaker 15: don't think they can cancel the ad, but but honestly,

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Speaker 15: I'm not sure what they what power they have to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to me that finner order is

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Speaker 2: is this is this is not a great thing for

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Speaker 2: it to be like it is. It is getting itself

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Speaker 2: into unnecessary trouble here and making itself unnecessarily political, isn't it?

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Speaker 15: Yes, precisely? And and and look, I mean like the

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Speaker 15: the the Maori electoral role is obviously a self selecting role.

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Speaker 15: That's what this is all about. And interfew and suggesting

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Speaker 15: like you should you should do this role and not

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Speaker 15: another role as a as a very political act and

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Speaker 15: particularly given fan or as close relationships with the Marori party.

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Speaker 2: Who but this, Thomas was the very next thing I

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Speaker 2: was going to ask you, is it appropriate? I mean

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Speaker 2: I don't want to pick on metapeck at oka wa

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Speaker 2: take because I like her, but it is is it

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Speaker 2: appropriate for her to be in this position with final order,

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Speaker 2: defending decisions like this that are political whilst standing as

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Speaker 2: a candidate for the Marori Party.

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Speaker 15: On the face of it that that does look inappropriate.

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Speaker 15: I mean that you like I probably would reserve judgment

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Speaker 15: until we see what time of POTACA comes up with.

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Speaker 15: But but certainly like everything and and this is why

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Speaker 15: the government is in such an upbroad to day. Everything

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Speaker 15: you've seen so far suggests or you know it doesn't

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Speaker 15: look doesn't look great on the face of it.

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Speaker 2: Now, have you had a read of this new report

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Speaker 2: from the Infrastructure Commission and what part of it do

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Speaker 2: you think is just the best.

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Speaker 15: Part, well of the whole. I'm going to be very

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Speaker 15: honest with you hither and say I have not read

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Speaker 15: all of it. There was a bit today I'd like

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Speaker 15: to read you a section, page one hundred and nine

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Speaker 15: is your copy on you of the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 15: New Zealand Infrastructure Strategy. Now that one said that of

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Speaker 15: all of the capital projects put up for the twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty one budget, only half had completed business cases. And

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Speaker 15: if you don't do a business case, chances are your

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Speaker 15: project is a bit of a turkey and it might

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Speaker 15: go over budget because you haven't done your planning properly

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Speaker 15: at the beginning. So they got a big telling off

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Speaker 15: in twenty twenty two, only half of those projects had

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Speaker 15: completed business cases that meant they were likely to go

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Speaker 15: over budget. The Infrastructure Commission said, more business cases, get

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Speaker 15: your costings right, do it before you start. So come

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Speaker 15: to twenty twenty five and this new document, a another hundred

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Speaker 15: page document, page nine. You don't have to read as far.

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Speaker 15: What does it say? Half of all projects for investment

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Speaker 15: in both twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four budgets

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Speaker 15: did not have a business case. It's the same thing.

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Speaker 15: They were told two years ago to do these business

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Speaker 15: cases to get their costings right. And here, oh we

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Speaker 15: are three years later with another one hundred page report

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Speaker 15: that's exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 2: What a surprise because nobody reads the whole report, including

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Speaker 2: you and I. Thomas, thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editor, eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 13: It is the Middle East, after all, the maybe trumpeters

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Speaker 13: voluminous claims about peace and c SPIS was always a

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Speaker 13: little bit optimistic. Doctor Max Schmith is the Associate Professor

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Speaker 13: of National Security at the University of New Haven.

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Speaker 16: Israel's strike on that radar system is sort of a oh,

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Speaker 16: we forgot this one.

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Speaker 17: They're spinning up.

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Speaker 16: The radar and we can see it now.

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Speaker 18: It's important for us tactically to take it out.

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Speaker 13: Is this a cease fire or is this We're out

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Speaker 13: of m O for now. We need to do something,

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Speaker 13: so give us a couple of days.

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Speaker 16: It's unclear exactly how many ballistic missiles remain in their inventory,

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Speaker 16: probably very few. They can't fire everything because then they

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Speaker 16: have no deterrence, so it's in their incentive to keep

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Speaker 16: everybody guessing.

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Speaker 13: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 13: Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 2: It is four away from five. Hey, get a load

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Speaker 2: of this that I think this is? Is this this

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Speaker 2: freaks me out. There's a school that was evacuated today

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Speaker 2: in New South Wales. It was a bomb threat. Apparently

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Speaker 2: that have been called in. Everything is fine, they've sort

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Speaker 2: of the whole thing out and I don't think there

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Speaker 2: was anything in the end. But while they had the

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Speaker 2: school in lockdown and it sounds like it might have

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Speaker 2: been for about an hour and a half, parents of

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Speaker 2: the school kids were told not to contact their kids.

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Speaker 2: Now there is very good reason why they're told not

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Speaker 2: to contact their kids when something like that is going on.

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Speaker 2: For example, if there is I don't know, something happening

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Speaker 2: in the school, you don't want to be ringing the

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Speaker 2: kids and then the phones are going off, and then

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Speaker 2: people know if there's somebody who's at large, you know,

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Speaker 2: knowing where the kids like as I can hear the phone.

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Speaker 2: But also the kids need to be following the instructions

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Speaker 2: that only need to be distracted by Mummy on the

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Speaker 2: phone checking that they're okay. But and that's all, that's

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Speaker 2: all fine, But put yourself on the plank to the

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Speaker 2: parents for one second. How scary that must have been

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Speaker 2: to be sitting there going something is going on at

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Speaker 2: my kids' school and I don't know if they are okay.

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Speaker 2: That would be terrifying. Yeah, may as well, Okay listen,

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Speaker 2: So no, we'll talk about it later on. No, it's

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Speaker 2: just gonna get me two worked up. This is Mount Eden,

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Speaker 2: Mount Eden Viewshaft. I'll deal with it later on in

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Speaker 2: the program. This is apropos, the very start of the

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Speaker 2: program with these new rules for Auckland. Will deal with

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Speaker 2: it later just got to tell you really quickly. Right,

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Speaker 2: So this retirement business that the pension has kicked off

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Speaker 2: again because it turns out that there are nine thousand

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Speaker 2: people in this country, greedy buggers, nine thousand people in

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Speaker 2: this country who are over sixty five and they're still

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Speaker 2: earning good coin. They are on two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: each unpresumably drawing a pension. Oh oh, set all the

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Speaker 2: young people in our newsroom today. Oh, cut them off,

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Speaker 2: Cut them off now. Obviously I don't have a problem

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Speaker 2: with it. Howard are you if they're still earning that

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Speaker 2: kind of coin at that age. But it has begged

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Speaker 2: the question should the pension be means tested? The Retirement Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: who doesn't hate the idea, is going to be with

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Speaker 2: us after half past five. Next up, though, let's talk

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Speaker 2: to the Infrastructure Commission and then the Israeli Ambassador News Tools.

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Speaker 18: He'd be.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story storing.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dupcon drive with one New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected News Talks V.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. New Zealand is not getting

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Speaker 2: banged for it's buck when we spend on infrastructure. This

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Speaker 2: is according to the Infrastructure Commission's first draft National Infrastructure Plan,

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Speaker 2: which reckons that our spending puts US in the top

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Speaker 2: ten percent of developed countries, but what we're getting for

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Speaker 2: that puts US in the bottom ten percent.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Cooper is the chief executive of the Commission.

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Speaker 18: High Jeff, Hi, Heather, how are you doing good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much? Why we're not getting banged for buck?

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Speaker 18: Look, I think this is a number. There's a number

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Speaker 18: of things behind this, but ultimately it's that we're probably

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Speaker 18: we're not optimizing what we've got. We're trying to spend

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Speaker 18: out of our way out of some big problems, and

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Speaker 18: we can do better, particularly when it comes to thinking

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Speaker 18: about how we optimize the maintenance and asset management of

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Speaker 18: the services around us, and what.

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Speaker 2: Are we not doing right with our project planning?

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Speaker 18: I think with project planning, like I think sometimes it's

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Speaker 18: that where we're probably going faster than we need to. Oftentimes,

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Speaker 18: I think we need to get consensus on exactly what

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Speaker 18: the problem is before we jump to what exactly the

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Speaker 18: solutions are. You know, the solution that the example I've

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Speaker 18: been using on this is that you know, folks in Awkland,

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Speaker 18: for instance, are spending you know, five days every year

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Speaker 18: sitting in traffic. But we know we can't build our

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Speaker 18: way out of these problems. It's too expensive and it

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Speaker 18: takes too long, and so thinking about how we can

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Speaker 18: make better use of the existing network, put people in

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Speaker 18: places where they don't need to drive, or in fact,

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Speaker 18: thinking about time of use charging that shifts that that peak.

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Speaker 2: Right, The good news is that we are spending enough

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Speaker 2: every year, aren't we to try to catch up here?

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Speaker 18: That's a really important part in this plan. I think,

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Speaker 18: you know, for a long time we've been told that

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Speaker 18: we can't fund our way out of this, but we

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Speaker 18: spend a lot on infrastructure and actually it does. That's

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Speaker 18: right at the top of the league tables in the OECD.

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Speaker 18: This is a question about how to get better bank

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Speaker 18: to buck.

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Speaker 2: Look is there are we are we getting ripped off

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Speaker 2: by construction companies? Is that part of it?

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Speaker 11: Don't?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 18: I would go back to asking the question about value

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Speaker 18: for money and the projects that we're that we're thinking

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Speaker 18: about and the problems that we're trying to try to solve, right,

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Speaker 18: I mean, one of the big plays or big points

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Speaker 18: that we're making in the plan is that New Zealand's

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Speaker 18: demographics are changing tremendously. We have an aging population, and

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Speaker 18: yet our spend on hospitals has been dead flat for

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Speaker 18: the last fifteen years. So it's about the problems we're

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Speaker 18: trying to solve.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So why is it that it costs so much

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Speaker 2: in this country to build a road, build a hospital,

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Speaker 2: build anything.

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Speaker 18: I think there are some things that are out of

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Speaker 18: our control.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 18: We are the same size as great as Sydney, but

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Speaker 18: we're spread over a land mass which is twenty one

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Speaker 18: times larger. So many of the many of these things.

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Speaker 18: We are on a difficult piece of geography at the

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Speaker 18: bottom of the South Pacific with actually a very small population, right,

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Speaker 18: and that that obviously creates funding challenges. But other times

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Speaker 18: the problems are ones that we create for ourselves. We

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Speaker 18: have enormous complexity, for instance, in something like our zoning

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Speaker 18: ordinances where we have, you know, oney one hundred of

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Speaker 18: them across the country and you know Japan has thirteen.

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Speaker 18: So we can we should be thinking about ways to

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Speaker 18: streamline this so that we can deliver more effectively for

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Speaker 18: everyday New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what are the seventeen project recommend Rather, let

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Speaker 2: me ask it like this, of your seventeen recommended projects,

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Speaker 2: what three do you think are the most important.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Look, the first one is setting out a path of

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Speaker 18: funding for infrastructure that we can fund. We've spent a

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Speaker 18: lot of time talking about what it's hard to do

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Speaker 18: and what can't be done with small populations. What we're

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Speaker 18: setting out in the Draft Infrastructure Plan is what we

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Speaker 18: think can be achieved. So that's point that's point one.

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Speaker 18: The second is a set of recommendations about making it

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Speaker 18: easier and more cost effective to build. We think we

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Speaker 18: need to clear the way for infrastructure to improve social

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Speaker 18: and environmental outcomes and of course improve productivity. And the

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Speaker 18: third one is thinking a lot more deeply about how

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Speaker 18: we are going about maintaining our existing asset base. What

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Speaker 18: we're finding is our assets are in bad shape, and

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Speaker 18: what we're doing is we're running them down to the

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Speaker 18: point that these assets end up with massive cathex programs

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Speaker 18: at the end of it, and that means we don't

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Speaker 18: have much money for everything else. So the plan is

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Speaker 18: really trying to show how we can lift our performance

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Speaker 18: and go back to actually in the nineteen nineties when

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Speaker 18: you Zealaan was regarded as a center of excellence for

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Speaker 18: looking after the assets.

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Speaker 5: It has great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, thanks so much appreciated. Jeff Cooper, Chief Executive Infrastructure Commission.

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Speaker 2: Now one of the projects, one of the seventeen projects

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Speaker 2: is a recommendation that we roll broadband out to ninety

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Speaker 2: five percent of the country. Chorus will be doing that

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Speaker 2: though with us after sex.

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Speaker 1: It's five twelve, Heather do for clans.

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Speaker 2: Seas Fi ideal between Israel and Iran seems to be

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Speaker 2: holding for now. It's clear both sides are frustrating Donald Trump.

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Speaker 10: Though I'm not happy with Israel. Know when I say, okay,

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Speaker 10: now you have twelve hours, you don't go out in

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Speaker 10: the first hour, just drop everything you have on. So

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Speaker 10: I'm not happy with them.

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Speaker 4: I'm not happy with the Run either alone.

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Speaker 2: Roth is the Israeli ambassador back with us alone. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for your time.

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Speaker 12: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Can you understand why Donald Trump so frustrated with Israel?

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Speaker 9: I know that after we were in full coordination and

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Speaker 9: decided on seasfire, unfortunately I Run continued to shoot misselves

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Speaker 9: on our cities. We had, you know, from north to

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Speaker 9: the south, we had the false citizens in the south

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Speaker 9: of Israel, whole family that died out of these missiles.

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Speaker 9: And this was hours after the seas fire entered into force,

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Speaker 9: so there were problematics at that time.

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Speaker 12: But still we are very very.

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Speaker 9: Thankful for what President Trump and the United States Army

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Speaker 9: have done during these twelve days of operation in Iran.

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Speaker 2: The suggestion is that the bombing that happened in Iran

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Speaker 2: has only set back the nuke program by maybe a

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Speaker 2: few months. What's your intelligence, Well, it's too early to assess.

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Speaker 9: You know, every such operation that is so complex, and

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Speaker 9: that's going after so many parts of these vicious nuclear

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Speaker 9: program NICLP plan and surface to surface missiles plants everywhere

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Speaker 9: in Iran is take time. We know, we know for

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Speaker 9: sure that we were able to push back the program,

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Speaker 9: both programs, and we think that we removed at least

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Speaker 9: the immense threat that we had on our heads. And

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Speaker 9: I think it's very important to go back to two facts.

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Speaker 9: I mean, those were the two projects that weren't meant

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Speaker 9: to you to be used as tools in the annihilation

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Speaker 9: plan against Israel. So we think that what we need

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Speaker 9: really stopped it, stop the lease. The immency often be

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Speaker 9: served throughout on our hats all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Elon, thank you so much, appreciate your time as

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Speaker 2: per Alon Roth, Israeli ambassador.

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Speaker 1: Together due for c Allen.

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Speaker 2: No means testing of the soupers got us worked out

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Speaker 2: a hey, Heather, people working past the sixty five yes

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Speaker 2: and earning two hundred thousand dollars pay nearly sixty thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars worth of tax, and then after the payment of

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Speaker 2: the super to them gives the tax department still an

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Speaker 2: extra thirty thousand dollars they would not get if they

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Speaker 2: stopped working at sixty five. Good good work from you

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Speaker 2: on the maths, Kevin. Hither the problem with the means

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Speaker 2: testing is that over time this will creep the bar

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Speaker 2: set would continuously decrease overtime, bang On, Steve Heather Winston

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Speaker 2: is one of those earning more than two hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Good luck trying to make a change while Peters is

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Speaker 2: in Parliament actually speaking of and that's a good point,

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Speaker 2: but speaking of, he's had a hot mic. We'll deal

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Speaker 2: with that in a minute. Quarter past. Hey, With the

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Speaker 2: by a winery recently listed in the Top Wineries of

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Speaker 2: New Zealand twenty twenty five lists. Now, sorry, as part

875
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: of the deal, we've got to keep the producer's name

876
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: a secret. The winery has decided to discontinue this label,

877
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Speaker 2: and then the final stocks are being cleared at an

878
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Speaker 2: insanely good nineteen ninety nine per bottle. That's the bit

879
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: you need to know. Nineteen ninety nine per bottle. Let's

880
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: just say that for twenty bucks you're getting one hell

881
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: of a central pino and then some five star rated

882
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: certified organic Central Otago Peno from the Bendigo Hills Class

883
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: Act for a pino up for grabs at just nineteen

884
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Speaker 2: ninety nine per bottle. Now, you're gonna have to act

885
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Speaker 2: quickly before it's gone so jump online to the Goodwine

886
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: dot co dot in z, or you can give them

887
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: the call right now. Oh eight hundred double six to two,

888
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: double six to two?

889
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 4: Ever do for c Ellen.

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00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: Eighteen past five now Auckland City FC have managed something historic.

891
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: They've knocked one of Argentina's best football teams out of

892
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: the FIFA Club World Cup, having drawn one one with

893
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: Bocker Juniors, which is quite a turnaround because they got

894
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Speaker 2: thumped ten ten zip the other day. Wellington businessman Leon

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Speaker 2: Grice helps Auckland City FC fundraising is with us now haleon.

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Speaker 4: Hey Heather, Well, I think I have a red wine

897
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: to celebrate.

898
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: I think you might need to. Is that all You're

899
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: going to have? Just one little red wine?

900
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 5: Well?

901
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 4: I think I might have a few more of it.

902
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: It was just it feels like a victory.

903
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: I have to say, yeah, now did you see this coming?

904
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: It's like, in any of your possibilities did this feature

905
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: as one of them?

906
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 4: Well, I traveled with the team for the second of

907
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 4: June until the buy in game and had to come

908
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 4: home and kicking myself that I had to but but you.

909
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 8: Know, this is a team, you know, and Paul Poser,

910
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 8: he's the coach, the team manager, and he once said

911
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 8: when we came third in a smaller club World Cup

912
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 8: edition that just because you're amateurs doesn't mean you can't

913
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 8: play like professionals. And the biggest challenge for these for

914
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 8: this team, these boys is as amateurs, they needed to

915
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Speaker 8: adjust to the pace and the physicality of the game.

916
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 8: And yeah, we got absolutely you know, smashed by buying

917
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 8: Munich and we're actually did okay against ben Fika fifty

918
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 8: minutes nil all, and then you know, then there was

919
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 8: a two hour break and our boys came back with

920
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 8: you know, sore legs. You know, they stiffened up and

921
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 8: they looked like that and we lost six nil.

922
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: To ben Fica.

923
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 8: But against Boca Junior's, you know, it doesn't surprise me.

924
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 8: I've seen them do this against top teams. They are

925
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Speaker 8: a team that plays forty eight games. They play all

926
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Speaker 8: over the world. They are the most traveled New Zealand

927
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Speaker 8: football team. You know, if you know Morocco, the fiend

928
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 8: to these SA, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Solomon Island, Tahiti they played.

929
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 8: You know, they play all over the world, so they

930
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 8: have the ability to rise and play.

931
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Speaker 4: They're not nearly as good man for man. But as

932
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: a team they can rise and they can compete.

933
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: And is it true that they get paid one hundred

934
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars a week?

935
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Speaker 4: That's all they're allowed to be paid as amateurs, one

936
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty dollars a week. And you know against Bayern,

937
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Speaker 4: Munich went up a team worth two billion.

938
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Speaker 6: Wow.

939
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. A It just goes to show

940
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: what could be, what could happen if we sunk some

941
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Speaker 2: serious coin into it. Leon, thank you, appreciate it, enjoy

942
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: your celebration in your red wine. Leon Grice, Wellington, businessman

943
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: volunteer at Auckland City. FC Winston. Yeah, so Winston was

944
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: caught in Parliament in a hot mic moment. You want

945
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 2: to hear it again. You're gonna want to hear it,

946
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: especially when I tell you who was talking to was

947
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: old Takootera Ferris, who's definitely irritating. He's of the Marty Party,

948
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Speaker 2: by the way. He says, not like you, dickhead. Well

949
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Speaker 2: Takoota is not happy about that.

950
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Speaker 19: So mister Peters wants to call me a dickhead across

951
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 19: the alleyway here. I think that we should consider something

952
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 19: for him.

953
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: What the consideration of the something was. Maybe an apology.

954
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: Here's Winston's apology.

955
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 20: But I was trying to get my thoughts together on

956
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 20: the altitude, so manim a Davis's questions.

957
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: He was interrupting me.

958
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 6: I apologize for calling him what he I said he was.

959
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: So that's that kind of an apology. Five twenty two.

960
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Heather duplicy Ellen

961
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth talks.

962
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: That'd be Heather. It's called an isle, not an alleyway.

963
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: I know, I know. Look, we're dealing with a lot

964
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: of bad English today, aren't we. We've already dealt with

965
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: the famous thing before. Five twenty four. Now have you

966
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: caught up on the drama between the academics and David Seymour?

967
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: Can I?

968
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 2: Can I just just respectfully suggest that the academics need

969
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: to harden up. They are upset because David Seymour has

970
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: published a victim of the day on social media and

971
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: it seems to be doing it, you know, reasonably regularly,

972
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: and it's featuring academics, and it's featuring academics who are

973
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: upset about the regulatory standards bill, and then it's mocking

974
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: them for that. Now they're not happy. They're accusing him

975
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: of breaching the Cabinet manual. They say that his posts

976
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 2: are unethical, unprofessional, potentially dangerous to those who are targeted,

977
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Speaker 2: and that he's trying to silence them thereby proving his

978
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: point that they really are victims, aren't they. Now I'm

979
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: surprised at how thin skinned these academics are, Like, let's

980
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: be honest about it. None of us like to be skewered.

981
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: It can sting, but it kind of comes with the territory,

982
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: doesn't it. If you are in public, and especially if

983
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: you choose to put yourself in public, which these academics

984
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: are doing by choosing to, for example, pen opinion pieces

985
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: criticizing the bill, then they are inviting a response, and

986
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: they cannot dictate what that response is. And actually I

987
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: could be wrong, but what I've seen doesn't seem that harsh.

988
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: It just seems like a right of reply. But tongue

989
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: in cheek context is important here as well, because this

990
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: David versus academics spat has actually been going on a

991
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: fair bit. David Seymour, in my personal opinion, has been

992
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: given a bit of a rough time by some academics.

993
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: One in particular, who I think is the worst offender,

994
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: has in the past said that she hopes he doesn't

995
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: have kids, and then called his government a fascist, white

996
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: supremacist government, which certainly makes his response look adult. Now,

997
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: if academics are and I'm not saying it's the same

998
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: academics here by any stretch, but collectively, if they want

999
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: to hand it out, they have to also be prepared

1000
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: to suck it up.

1001
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: Heather Dupers the Allen, I have a.

1002
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: Confession to make. I am enjoying just Cinda's book, so

1003
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how far through I am. I

1004
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: haven't countered pages. I don't want to count the pages

1005
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: because I'm enjoying it. I can't tell you how far

1006
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: through I am. I'm just up to the bit now

1007
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: where she has she's just worked in the nineteen ninety

1008
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: nine I think it might get a bit boring now

1009
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: because we've done the childhood, we're just getting We've got

1010
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: to the nineteen ninety nine election campaign and she's electioneering

1011
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: for Harry Diinhoven, so it's all going to get a

1012
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: bit triggering for me after this. But the bit about

1013
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: her growing up in Murdapada and growing up in Morerinsville

1014
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: has been, without a lie, really really interesting and really

1015
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: well written. Jacinda's a good writer. Crap prime minister, excellent writer.

1016
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: I feel like she missed her calling, you know what

1017
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: I mean, like and what a pity for the rest

1018
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: of us that she did. But anyway, such as life,

1019
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: so a couple of fascinating First of all, mum's out

1020
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: there who've at times found that sometime, you know, it

1021
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: can be a bit tough, will completely We'll probably find

1022
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 2: the story about her mum's breakdown really interesting to read about.

1023
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: Mum has a terrible breakdown in mutapatter just and it

1024
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: goes on for a very very long time, and it

1025
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: must have been very difficult for the family. The other

1026
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 2: thing that's absolutely fascinating is that she and her sister

1027
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: find out, just you know, in their high school years

1028
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: that their dad is not the son of his father.

1029
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: Did I overcomplicate that, as in their dad their grandfather

1030
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: is not their grandfather. The grandmum had some with Jim

1031
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: the farm hand, and Jim's Jim's their granddad. I mean

1032
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: imagine discovering that. Anyway, I'm not telling you to spend

1033
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: sixty dollars on the book. I'm just saying, if you

1034
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: happen to get one, it's not that bad. It all

1035
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: used to accept the mazie.

1036
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

1037
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealer. Let's

1038
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: get connected news talk, sa'd be will Alec. I can't

1039
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: remember everything we said.

1040
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: We said it it's to me, that's right.

1041
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 4: We a reminder.

1042
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: We're going to have a chat to Chorus after six

1043
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: o'clock about what it's going to take to roll out

1044
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: of bull band. I think we're currently sitting at eighty

1045
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: seven percent across the country. What would it take to

1046
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: get to ninety five percent as recommended by the Infrastructure Commission?

1047
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: That's after sex right now. The huddler is standing by

1048
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: and it's twenty four away from six now. The answer

1049
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: to the cost of pension problem that we've got in

1050
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: the country may well be means testing super It turns

1051
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: out that nine thousand people aged sixty five plus are

1052
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: earning more than two hundred thousand dollars a year and

1053
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: presumably still taking the pension.

1054
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Speaker 10: Now.

1055
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Speaker 2: The Retirement Commissioner Jane writs and doesn't hate the idea.

1056
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: Hi Jane, Hi Hever, At what point would you means test?

1057
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 21: I would not means test straight away. My point is

1058
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 21: that we need to look at this as a systemic,

1059
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 21: wide issue, right I'm one record is saying that we

1060
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 21: should keep the retirement a pension eight at sixty five

1061
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 21: if there is a really strong economic argument that we

1062
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Speaker 21: can't afford it, and I think it's a highly debatable one,

1063
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Speaker 21: but let's say for a moment there is. Then we

1064
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 21: need to look at a basket of options to make

1065
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 21: it the fairest possible solution. So if we put it

1066
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 21: up to sixty seven, the next question is who does

1067
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 21: it hurt? If it hurts women absolutely because of our

1068
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 21: patchier retirement savings and a time out of the workforce,

1069
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 21: it hurts women Marti Pacifica and people who work manually

1070
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 21: of course, whose bodies were out of it earlier. So

1071
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Speaker 21: I'd want to see an actual addressing of those issues

1072
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 21: at the same time. And if you're going to do that,

1073
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 21: then one of the other policy options is of course,

1074
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Speaker 21: means testing.

1075
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Speaker 19: So if you're in a quite a lot.

1076
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 21: Of money, then it's a fair question to go, should

1077
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 21: you be able to claim the super as well. And

1078
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 21: generally speaking, there are two answers to that. One is

1079
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 21: I worked all my life and therefore just you'll ave

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00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 21: it of own, thank you very much, And that's that's

1081
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 21: an argument. And the other one is going, if you're

1082
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 21: any more than say, one hundred and eighty thousand dollars

1083
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 21: a year, and you're claiming the super, then the cost

1084
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 21: of the taxpayer might be questioned.

1085
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now, Jane, I think I don't think that

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Speaker 2: we should touch the pension and it should stay exactly

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Speaker 2: where it is. So I want I'm just telling you

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Speaker 2: this so that you can furiously agree with me if

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Speaker 2: you want to. I'm not going to fight with you.

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Speaker 2: If I agree with you, Yeah, talk to me about

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Speaker 2: why you think it's possibly affordable, because I do too.

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Speaker 17: Well.

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Speaker 21: The forecasts are all black hats and doom glooms, right,

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Speaker 21: So all the Treasury forecasts and all the economists look

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Speaker 21: at it from a thirty forty to fifty year cycle

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Speaker 21: and go, we can't aford it on the current trajectory.

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Speaker 12: And I go, maybe.

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Speaker 21: There's two things to think about here. Firstly, this is

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Speaker 21: about government choices, so we would have to actively choose

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Speaker 21: not to support older people in their in their in

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Speaker 21: their senior years.

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Speaker 12: Okay, you could make that choice.

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Speaker 21: And secondly, the assumptions around this are all so long

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Speaker 21: term that I go, I don't know any piece of

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Speaker 21: a long term thinking. Actually, mostly in my life that's

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Speaker 21: been right. They're just very good educated guesses. So that

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Speaker 21: means I don't think that there is a crisis brewing.

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Speaker 21: If there is, if we fall into a five year recession,

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Speaker 21: then we start to go, yes, now maybe there's an issue,

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Speaker 21: but right now I think we go ups and downs

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Speaker 21: all the rest of it, and we need to keep

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Speaker 21: thinking about what the core question is, which is how

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Speaker 21: do we want to treat older people in New Zerand.

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Speaker 2: To write Jane Preach, Thank you, Jane Writes and Retirement

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Speaker 2: Commissioner twenty one away from Sex.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealandsby's International Realty Find You're one

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Speaker 1: of a kind.

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Speaker 2: And on the Huddle of me this evening we have

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Speaker 2: David Farreh of KIWI Blog and Nick Legative Infrastructure, New Zealand. David,

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Speaker 2: you're there, Oh, hold on the Okay, yeah, hi David,

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Speaker 2: I forgot to pick up the phone. But look, I

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Speaker 2: mean it's been a long time since we've had landlines.

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Speaker 2: So you know. Now the trouble we've got, David is

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Speaker 2: do you know where Nick is?

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Speaker 12: I don't know when. Nick is usually in Wellington, So Nick,

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Speaker 12: because you're not on the joint WhatsApp, I don't see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well nobody knows where nickers. Nick is not answering

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Speaker 2: his phone. So Nick, if you're listening to the radio,

1129
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Speaker 2: you need to answer your phone for this to work.

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Speaker 2: And also, if your Nick's wife, can you please give

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00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: the phone to him. And if you're anybody around Nick,

1132
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Speaker 2: can you tell Nick that he had an appointment, because

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00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: this is what we all need to just collectively work

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Speaker 2: together to help the man. Obviously, on this occasion.

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Speaker 12: I'll sell phone and hey, guess.

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Speaker 2: What, David, it worked. Hello Nick, welcome.

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Speaker 17: Hello.

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Speaker 19: I'm so sorry about that.

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Speaker 2: What were you doing?

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Speaker 22: Oh?

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Speaker 19: You know after the infrastructure conference. It's good to talk

1142
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Speaker 19: to people about what's going on and how we build better.

1143
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: Did you drink some booze?

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Speaker 19: No, just a water?

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00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: Okay, that's all right. Then I love that you allowed

1146
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Speaker 2: us to just get into your personal diary there, David. Okay,

1147
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: now you heard that conversation with Jane Writes and about

1148
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: super What do you think can we can we continue

1149
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: to afford it? Do you agree with us?

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 12: I don't think we can. I think we should be

1152
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 12: lot point of principle, all welfare should be means tested.

1153
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 12: We don't have unlimited money and so welfish should go

1154
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 12: towards those should need it. Now, the only conter to

1155
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 12: that is if the cost of administry and a means

1156
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 12: test will be almost the same as what you say

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Speaker 12: from means testing men, you might say, look, it's just

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Speaker 12: not worth the hassle. But as we saw in that dark,

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Speaker 12: there's not lots of people on two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 12: a year, and you know, I don't think they need

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Speaker 12: a ten thousand dollars more from the tech power.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jane writes and said Nick that it's choices, right,

1163
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: you can choose to afford it, you just cut somewhere else.

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Speaker 19: What do you think, Well, of course it's about choices.

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00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 19: But I'm with David. I mean we shouldn't be dolling

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Speaker 19: out superannuation to people who don't need it, and I

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Speaker 19: think that's one point, so I think it we should

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Speaker 19: means test it. There is an argument that the universality

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00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 19: is the best way to administer, the most sufficient way

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Speaker 19: to administer, and therefore we actually reduce deprivation among old people.

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Speaker 19: And that's the best policy prescription for that. But we've

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Speaker 19: also got to project forward twenty to twenty five years.

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Speaker 19: Here the people in you're and my generation, the government

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Speaker 19: or a government should be having a conversation with us

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Speaker 19: and saying, look, you're not going to get super at

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Speaker 19: sixty five. We've got to increase it for people who

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Speaker 19: are currently forty or forty five to sixty seven or

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Speaker 19: sixty eight, and so there's no surprises. You know, we

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Speaker 19: actually have to prepare for the waves of older people

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Speaker 19: that are coming, and we should mean test in the

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Speaker 19: meantime are those who have got enough money.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I love the most about this conversation, David,

1183
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: is that you guys will never that this is not

1184
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Speaker 2: going to happen. And you guys are you are in

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Speaker 2: the minority.

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Speaker 12: I have been advocating that I shouldn't get super aged

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Speaker 12: sixty five since I was in my twenties or two.

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Speaker 2: And look and now you're in your in your seventies

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Speaker 2: and nothing's changed.

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Speaker 12: Seven years to go, and ye, sadly I get to

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Speaker 12: get her even though I please pers and such.

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Speaker 2: It was this is the way it will stay.

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Speaker 12: Thanks, of course, not the government offering me twelve thousand

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Speaker 12: dollars to do nothing. I mean, yeah, I take it.

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Speaker 2: The bar crossing.

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Speaker 3: Nick.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you make of Donald Trump? Don't from

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Speaker 2: what we know, this is the first time a sitting

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Speaker 2: president has dropped the F bomb at the press Corps

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Speaker 2: on the south lawn of the White House. What do

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Speaker 2: you make of it?

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Speaker 19: Well, I mean, not too much to be I mean,

1203
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 19: we know that all presidents would talk like this in private.

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Speaker 19: You know, he's somebody who's under immense pressure at the moment,

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Speaker 19: and I think that's popped out. I mean, I guess

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00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 19: it's shocking for a lot of Americans. But he's you know,

1207
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 19: he's he's in amongster and sometimes this is what happened.

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00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 19: So yeah, yeah, but I'm sorry, I can't be shocked

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Speaker 19: or or surprised.

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Speaker 2: No, not, because the thing about it is, David, it's

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Speaker 2: not befitted. It's not that it's not language befitting the office,

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: but frankly, it's coming out of the mouth of a

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Speaker 2: man who's not befitting the befitting the office. Isn't it.

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Speaker 12: I think what really shows is how badly he wants

1215
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 12: that noble peace drive and he's just pulled it off.

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Speaker 12: He bombed, I run, they fired around ten blank missiles

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Speaker 12: and then there's a peace treaty or a cease fire,

1218
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Speaker 12: and then he saw, ah, the efforts are going to

1219
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 12: ruin my peace prize for me. So I think it

1220
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Speaker 12: was just the frustration that came out there. He might

1221
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 12: not give his noble peace I don't think he'll probably

1222
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 12: get anyway. But once you've been president, what do you

1223
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 12: have left? You want your noble peace drive? You's been

1224
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 12: going on about how we should have once for twelve years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would you give it to him? Based on if

1226
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Speaker 2: this ceasefire holds? Nick, would you give it to him?

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Speaker 19: Well, it's got a sick I mean, and not just

1228
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 19: for a month or six months. Look, we know that

1229
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 19: he's after constant adulation, and part of me just says,

1230
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 19: we don't want to feed that. But like, if he

1231
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 19: actually gets something over the line, he should be recognized

1232
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 19: like everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Yep, all right, take a break, come back, maybe even

1234
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: come back to a bit more. Donald Trump Quarter two.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty achieve extraordinary

1236
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 2: Right your back of the huddle, Nick Leggand and David Farrett. Nick,

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Speaker 2: do you think that we can now say that Donald

1239
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: Trump was right to start hassling the NATO countries to

1240
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: lift their spending on defense.

1241
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Speaker 19: I think Donald Trump is the weather. But the climate

1242
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 19: has been moving in this direction for a while, has it.

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Speaker 12: Not.

1244
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 19: Unquestionably he's had an influence. You can feel that, you know,

1245
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 19: every nation in the world that's thinking and has the

1246
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 19: economic means is now doing this. And I think he

1247
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 19: has been an influence in this area. And frankly, I'm

1248
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 19: not uncomfortable with it because I think that this is

1249
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 19: what responsible NATO countries need to do given the circumstances

1250
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 19: of the world's done.

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Speaker 12: Yep, David, he's been an influence, both good and bad. Yes,

1252
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 12: he's advocated for it to increase, and this is definitely

1253
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 12: needed because of what's happened Russia, especially that's the climate.

1254
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 12: But also his behavior has made it clear you cannot

1255
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 12: rely on the US to come to your aid anymore,

1256
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 12: even if you're a native country. It will depend on

1257
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 12: what he had for breakfast. That morning. So Europe, the

1258
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 12: rest of nature is realizing we can't rely on the

1259
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 12: US is a security guarantee. So that's a big reason why,

1260
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 12: because Trump can't actually be relied to come to your

1261
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 12: way up.

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Speaker 2: Your Yeah, not a bad thing though, right, because they've

1263
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: got to be grown up. David.

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01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 12: Well yet, Block, Well, you do want a security partner

1265
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 12: in the US. I don't think that's good. Certainly, you're

1266
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 12: being more self sufficient is definitely a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Now, Nick, Okay, did you read all one hundred and

1268
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: sixty four pages of the report before you started drinking

1269
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: a glass of water with your friends?

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Speaker 12: No, of course not.

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Speaker 19: But I've had verbal briefings on it all day.

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Speaker 2: And what's the most exciting bit.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think that it says we've got to look

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Speaker 19: after what we've already built better. So if you think about, oh.

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Speaker 2: We've got to maintain our infrastructure, right, No, that's not

1276
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: that sucks. I'm going to because I'm going to tell

1277
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Speaker 2: you something next. So I've been thinking about disorder. I

1278
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: was niggled by this. I thought, why am I niggled

1279
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 2: by this? And then I was like, I'm niggled because

1280
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Speaker 2: they've put out a draft report today it's not even

1281
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: the final report, it's the draft report. We're paying thirteen

1282
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: million dollars for this quango that we've set up. They

1283
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 2: put out a draft report. They have told us absolutely nothing.

1284
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Speaker 2: We didn't already know. What's the point.

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Speaker 19: That's true, Well, that's true. But what we have to

1286
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 19: do is have both major political parties, in fact, all

1287
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 19: major all parties come to the party and agree that

1288
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 19: on the system that delivers infrastructure. And so you talk about,

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 19: you know, looking after what we've got better, we have

1290
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 19: to do that. You know that five out of eight

1291
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 19: major government agencies that own assets have no asset register

1292
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 19: and don't have a plan for the assets they own.

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Speaker 12: That is appalling.

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Speaker 19: So, you know, there are very basic things in this

1295
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 19: nation that if we want to continue to grow and

1296
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 19: do you have healthy people and communities and kids learning

1297
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 19: in decent schools, we've actually got to understand what we

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01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 19: already own and we've got to invest in renewing and

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Speaker 19: maintaining it. Heither that hasn't been happening. That's a poort.

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Speaker 19: So but we've now got to have the public pressure

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Speaker 19: and in the political follow through whoever whichever party.

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Speaker 12: Is in power.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, to change your behavior and put money aside and

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Speaker 19: make sure that money is invested in our existence base.

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Speaker 19: And then we've got to do building of the new

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Speaker 19: stuff better. And that's another but very related to story.

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Speaker 2: David, tell me if I'm wrong here, but if what

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Speaker 2: we need is public pressure, you know what's not going

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Speaker 2: to create public pressure is one hundred and sixty four

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Speaker 2: page report.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 12: And also you have to be slightly cynical of five

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Speaker 12: year plans, let alone do here year plans. I think

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Speaker 12: back in two thousand would be interesting to look up

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Speaker 12: that there was a FUS year infrastructure plan in two thousand,

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Speaker 12: as there was, it probably talked about how we need

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Speaker 12: to lay copper everywhere, and of course eight years later

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Speaker 12: fives and new technology. So you have to be Look,

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Speaker 12: you do want a plan, you do want want parties

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Speaker 12: to agree as much as possible on the non controversial stuff,

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Speaker 12: but you also have to recognize parties stand for election

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Speaker 12: on the basis of different priority national like roads, labor,

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Speaker 12: like bridges. To know, we cycle lanes at ZECA. So

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Speaker 12: don't think you're going to get agreement or two year plan,

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Speaker 12: but let's focus on where you can get.

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Speaker 2: Agreement, like hospitals. Yeah, fairpoint. All right, thank you guys, appreciated.

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Speaker 2: David Farrea mcgleiggett listen, I am am becoming slightly what

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Speaker 2: I want to say, obsessed, but I'm a bit fascinated

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Speaker 2: by Noel Edmonds and I've got a bit more on it.

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Speaker 2: If you caught us talking about mister Happy last night,

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Speaker 2: got bit more on him for you. Stand by it

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Speaker 2: siven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my hard Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather, the sixty five pluses that make one hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars plus pay about sixty thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: tax a year. Let them keep that small pension payment, please,

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Speaker 2: They are funding another three pensions by remaining in the workforce.

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Speaker 4: Wreck.

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Speaker 2: You make a very fair point. Just remember when you

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Speaker 2: take something away, there will be a consequence and they

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Speaker 2: may go off. Well, if you're going to take work,

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Speaker 2: I'll just retire and have a good life and then

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Speaker 2: we don't have that income tax to spend on things

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Speaker 2: like I don't know, I don't know whatever the government

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Speaker 2: wants to spend it on now, Noel Edmonds, okay, so

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Speaker 2: he nol Leedmands. Yesterday, I was telling you about this

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Speaker 2: TV show that he's doing right, and apparently it's a

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Speaker 2: must see. Now the Telegraph has pointed out they've compiled

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Speaker 2: the six things he does for fitness, because they've pointed

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Speaker 2: out the man's got a banging body for seventy six

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Speaker 2: So what does he do for fitness? The things that

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Speaker 2: he does er, I'm gonna run you through the sex

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Speaker 2: number one, structured water, number two, pulsed electromagnetism field therapy, three,

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Speaker 2: tranquil power, four vibe, five meditation, six nutritions. So going

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Speaker 2: through it's structured water. That's basically just when you magnetize

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Speaker 2: your water. You can get one of these machines if

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Speaker 2: you want to drink magnetized water. It'll cost you about

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Speaker 2: six hundred dollars. The science on that is not great.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I'll put my money into it.

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Speaker 2: He also does pulsed electromagnetism field therapy, where he attaches

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Speaker 2: himself to something that sort of pulses him with electromagnetism.

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Speaker 2: He reckons it helps the cells. There is some science here.

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Speaker 2: He does tranquil power. All this is is slowly doing

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Speaker 2: the weights right so you know, when you keep your

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Speaker 2: muscle under tension, you do that. At least Mall's sister,

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Speaker 2: don't worry about it. He's doing it too. Vibe is

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Speaker 2: basically visualization. All the kids are into that. He's doing that.

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Speaker 2: He does meditation, nothing surprising about that. And then he

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Speaker 2: also does nutrition. He's one of those fasts and he

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Speaker 2: doesn't like acidic foods, and he likes lots of nuts

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Speaker 2: and fruits and stuff like that. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: If you want to look like Nol, and frankly, who

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to look like Nol, you just got to

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Speaker 2: do those six things and get yourself one of those

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Speaker 2: magnety things for the water. Talk to chorus next about

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Speaker 2: rolling out the broad band to ninety five percent of

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Speaker 2: US News talks.

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Speaker 1: Their beak, quis Bodd's down one with a major cause?

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Speaker 1: And how will it affect the economy? The big business

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Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicylan and Maas

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Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future. News

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Speaker 1: talks at VELP.

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Speaker 2: ED been coming up in the next hour. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember us telling you yesterday that your native training had

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Speaker 2: done some digging on that law change the government is

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Speaker 2: making to help the Ossie Banks. Well, she's with us

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Speaker 2: after six thirty to explain Milford asset management on the

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Speaker 2: housing market in Australia, how it compares to ours. And

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK. It's

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Speaker 2: coming up eight past six now. We had the BEG

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Speaker 2: Infrastructure Commission report Land today. It announced seventeen projects that

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Speaker 2: at once treated as national priorities. The bulk of those

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Speaker 2: projects are being run by the public sector, but one

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Speaker 2: private company has managed to get on the list. Two

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Speaker 2: in that company is Coorus mark Owa is the CEO hey.

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Speaker 17: Mark Carder Heater.

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Speaker 2: Now, the recommendation here is that you should be able

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Speaker 2: to expand the fiber broadband from eighty seven percent coverage

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Speaker 2: of the country to ninety five percent. That eight percent

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Speaker 2: difference where is that in the country.

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Speaker 17: It's all over the country either from the top of

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Speaker 17: the north to the bottom of the south. So it'll

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Speaker 17: pick up another four hundred thousand New Zealand businesses and

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Speaker 17: homes and probably across a thousand communities.

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Speaker 2: So why haven't they got it already?

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Speaker 17: Well, we've done the original UFB deployment, that is you

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Speaker 17: know what has kicked off over the last decade or so,

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Speaker 17: and that's now expanded fiber access across eighty seven percent

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Speaker 17: of the population of where we all live, work and play.

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Speaker 17: But this is now a time to develop a rural

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Speaker 17: connectivity strategy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now is it like anything else? The start of

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Speaker 2: it is the cheapest bit, and the further along you go,

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Speaker 2: the more expensive it gets.

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Speaker 17: Pretty much so the further you go out from urban,

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Speaker 17: the more to the costs grow exponentially.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we need to get to one hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: And can we even?

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Speaker 17: I think ninety five percent, based on the assessments we've done,

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Speaker 17: is a pretty good use case and we can see

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Speaker 17: material economic and productivity benefit to comeback that roughly in

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Speaker 17: order of seventeen billion dollars over the next ten years.

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Speaker 17: I think the reality beyond ninety five percent, the economics

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Speaker 17: are hard to stack up, just because of New Zealand

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Speaker 17: land mass and where we all live on a distributed basis.

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Speaker 2: So if the government backed it today, how long would

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Speaker 2: it take you to get to ninety five.

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Speaker 17: Look, realistically, it's probably over five to ten years as

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Speaker 17: a program, But I think the benefit is we could

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Speaker 17: be up and running shove already in the next few months.

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Speaker 17: And you know we're not testing theory here that we've

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Speaker 17: done this before very successfully, and I think that's part

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Speaker 17: of the endorsement. We of course has got a good

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Speaker 17: track record of doing this.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I love that you sounded apologetic for

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Speaker 2: five to ten years. I mean, you realize five to

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Speaker 2: ten years is the blink of an eye when it

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Speaker 2: comes to infrastructure projects in this country, given how long

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Speaker 2: we wait for anything to be built, right, it's pretty quick,

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Speaker 2: Well it is.

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Speaker 17: But I think we believe in fiber as a gold standard,

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Speaker 17: and actually we want to play a role in bridging

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Speaker 17: that digital divide. And you're actually seeing more and more

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Speaker 17: core infrastructure come out of the region and rural communities,

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Speaker 17: and putting digital infrastructure like fiber in is a way

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Speaker 17: to actually enable those other sectors.

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Speaker 2: Look, this seems to me a no brainer, right that

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, in a digital world, given how

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Speaker 2: much connectivity there is, how much businesses now rely on this,

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Speaker 2: it seems a complete no brainer that we have to

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Speaker 2: get it to at least this level. Do we actually

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Speaker 2: need a report to tell us us?

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Speaker 17: Oh, look, it's a great question. I think what we

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Speaker 17: take out of the endorsement out of the Infrastructure Commission

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Speaker 17: today is that there's a recognition that rural connectivity is

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Speaker 17: a priority problem. But at the same time, there's an

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Speaker 17: opportunity and we've got solutions here that we can move through.

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Speaker 17: And again, as I say, we're not testing theory. We've

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Speaker 17: actually seen the benefits and the ability that's fiber brain.

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Speaker 2: But Mark, this is a no brainer. You know what,

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Speaker 2: I know what anybody listening to this right now knows it.

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Speaker 2: So do you think without a report like this a

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Speaker 2: government would drag its heels.

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Speaker 17: Look, I'm hoping not. And of course we'll say it's

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Speaker 17: a no brainer, but there's a lot of people out

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Speaker 17: there probably take a cynical view that. Of course, for

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Speaker 17: it is going to say that fiber is great. But

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Speaker 17: I think by any standard, in any report, including our

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Speaker 17: own Commerce Commission, would recognize that the gold standard and

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Speaker 17: broadband technology as fiber.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Mark, I really appreciate your time. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: talking to us. As Mark oware whose chorus is chief

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Speaker 2: executive Heather Duplessy Ellen. New Zealand has pulled out of

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Speaker 2: the Beyond Oil and Gas Alliance. This happened on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Apparently it's been confirmed today that we've notified the Beyond

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Speaker 2: Oil and Gas Alliance otherwise known as BOGA on Saturday

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Speaker 2: that we're pulling out of our membership. Our membership's only

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Speaker 2: an associate membership. BOGA also this. I mean, obviously the Greens

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Speaker 2: are very upset about this, as you would expect, but

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Speaker 2: BOGER does seem to be something of a non event.

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Speaker 2: It was formed at a UN Climate summit in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. It's a grouping of countries and other stakeholders.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen to this for something that is just homorphous.

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Speaker 2: A grouping of countries and other stakeholders intended to elevate

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Speaker 2: the issue of oil and gas production phase out in

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Speaker 2: international dialogues while driving action on a just transition away

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Speaker 2: from fossil fields. I don't think that anybody's going to

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Speaker 2: miss that, do you think?

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Speaker 12: So?

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Speaker 2: I've got some good news for you. Dominic Stevens, who

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Speaker 2: is Treasury's Chief Economic Forecaster, has given a speech to

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Speaker 2: the Auckland Business Chamber in which he says that he

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Speaker 2: believes that the economy is turning a corner. He says

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Speaker 2: it's the last part of recessions that often feel the hardest.

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Speaker 2: So that's the bit we're in right now and feeling

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Speaker 2: the pain of it. The recovery is very uneven, he's

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Speaker 2: pointed out, which I think we can all see. Turnaround

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Speaker 2: is being led by the regions. Still very slow in

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Speaker 2: Auckland and Wellington. Business investment still hasn't quite turned, but

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Speaker 2: he's feeling pretty upbeat about it. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: We all do it right. We overthink the big things,

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Speaker 2: the job security, the mortgage rates at lump in our neck,

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01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 2: and we they overthink the little things as well. What

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Speaker 2: night has Bin's Night? Why has cheese become a luxury item?

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Speaker 2: But as a member of MAZ, the New Zealand growned

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Speaker 2: member owned mutual, you can rest easy. MAZ is an

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Speaker 2: past six, Now let's have a look at the international

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Speaker 2: housing markets. Brendan Larsen from Milford Asset Management is with me. Hey, Brendan, evening.

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Speaker 2: So we've had a bit of data, new data on

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Speaker 2: the US housing market out today. How are things looking

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Speaker 2: to you?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, so sort of a bit of a continuation of

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01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 23: some softer data we've seen. So housing market data this

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01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 23: morning shown unexpected decline in prices, so that sort of

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Speaker 23: added to a recent space of sort of weaker data

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Speaker 23: we've seen housing starts. For example, the down about seventeen percent.

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Speaker 23: Already this year we've seen a surge and sort of

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01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 23: the number of sellers versus by it. So this differential

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 23: is now the widest since twenty thirteen. So looking at

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01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 23: sort of existing home sales as well, that continues to

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 23: fluctuate sort of around recessionary levels. So a number of

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 23: data points all sort of pointing in the wrong direction

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Speaker 23: at the moment.

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Speaker 2: What's been driving the shift? Because I thought the US

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01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: housing market have been pretty resilient.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it had been resilient, and it's probably a good

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01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 23: point to touch on. I guess US households typically borrow

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 23: our thirty year mortgages, so once they've locked in their

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01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 23: mortgage rate, they're typically less sensitive to movements and short

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01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 23: term rates. So when the FED began hiking, it meant

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01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 23: those that already locked in long term mortgages didn't feel

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01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 23: the pressure as much as as others. Perhaps consumers have

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01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 23: also done quite well in the US with sort of

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01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 23: wealth gains and income gains, and so that's been supportive.

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Speaker 23: But more recently the sort of slowdown we've seen in

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 23: housing data has really come from a slowdown in economic

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 23: growth and a decline and consumer confidence really owing to

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01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 23: fiscal policy in the US, and so that's really what's changed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So how does the performance of the US housing

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 2: market compares to our own one?

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Speaker 23: So US house prices are up about sixty five percent

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 23: since twenty nineteen, having fallen less in recent years, but

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01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 23: showing signs of softening. As we just sort of touched on.

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01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 23: New Zealand property prices are up about thirty percent since

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Speaker 23: twenty nineteen and remain substantially off their peak, and despite

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01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 23: a significant amount of interest rate cuts, are really struggling

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Speaker 23: to gain momentum. Australian property prices, by contrast, they are

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Speaker 23: effectively still at all time highs, up about fifty percent

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Speaker 23: since twenty nineteen, and actually that average distort some biggest

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01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 23: state moves, so Sydney and Perth prices are actually up

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01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 23: fifty percent and seventy five percent respectively. Auckland prices are

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 23: up just twenty percent over that same time period. So

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01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 23: you can see Australian housing has really outperformed New Zealand.

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 23: I guess looking at some of those sort of reasons why,

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01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 23: perhaps it's really to do with demographics and the sort

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01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 23: of supply demand between sort of those regions. So Australia

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01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 23: had enormous population growth really by immigration as a result

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 23: of a strong jobs market, and that influx of people

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 23: demanding housing when supply was really low really supported the

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01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 23: housing market. New Zealand is quite a contrast. So despite

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,839
Speaker 23: immigration that was actually really strong after COVID, those immigrants

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01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 23: were generally lower skilled and lower income, and so we

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01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 23: actually lost a lot of higher income workers to Australia.

1585
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 23: So having that sort of reduced demand at a time

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,839
Speaker 23: when supply was increasing and regulation was making property investment

1587
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 23: a bit less attractive. All of that sort of weight

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Speaker 23: on prices.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand okay, and so what do you expect is

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 2: going to happen from here?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's hard to tell. There's likely to be differences

1592
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 23: across regions still. We think in the US, for example,

1593
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 23: it's a little bit less clear. I guess on one hand,

1594
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 23: consumer confidence probably does rebound a little bit given sort

1595
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 23: of tariff risks have subsided. But on the other hand,

1596
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 23: long term rates are still quite high, so affordability does

1597
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 23: remain an issue. Australian housing is probably a bit more upbeat.

1598
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 23: So they've got rate cuts coming through now, they've still

1599
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 23: got population growth and so that is really positive for

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01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 23: house prices in New Zealand. Anecdotally, I guess we're hearing

1601
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 23: a lot of supplies coming to the market and so

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01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 23: that does pose a bit of a headwind to prices.

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01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 23: On a positive note, perhaps changes to foreign buyer rules

1604
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 23: that are being speculated, you know, could be a positive.

1605
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 23: But for the time being, it does feel like we're

1606
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 23: going to continue to sort of muddle along.

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Speaker 2: Brendan. It's good to talk to you, mate. Thank you

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01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 2: for that, even if it's not altogether good news. Brendan Larson,

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: Milford Asset Management. I can't believe I'm telling you this.

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01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: Do you realize that the judge in the mushroom Chef

1611
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 2: trial is still summing up? How long has this judge

1612
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 2: been something? Because what's today? It's Wednesday, isn't it? It

1613
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 2: is Wednesday? Yes, so yesterday Tuesday, Mars was on the

1614
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: show being murray Old, and we chatted to Mars about it,

1615
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: and we commented on the fact that the judge was

1616
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 2: still summing up. And am I wrong, Laura, because you've

1617
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: been following this like like like a woman addicted to it,

1618
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: like it's some sort of crack cocaine for you. How

1619
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 2: long has this judge been summing up?

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01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 18: Now?

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Speaker 2: No, like days is not an answer. I know it's

1622
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: been like days. It's like it feels like years. It

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: feels like years. It does, doesn't it. This judge has

1624
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 2: got a lot to say. It's been going on since

1625
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 2: at least last week, isn't it, Because I mean, like

1626
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 2: the lawyers took an extraordinary amount of time to sum up.

1627
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: I mean, just to give you some context here, I

1628
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 2: feel like it is. I feel like I'm not exaggerating this.

1629
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 2: It was two weeks ago tomorrow that muzz was on

1630
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: the show and we said, oh, no, I'll be wrapped

1631
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 2: up by the end of this week. No, I'll be

1632
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: wrapped up. Two weeks ago they were already summing up.

1633
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: The lawyers were like, now, it's wrapped up by the

1634
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 2: end of this week. Two weeks on, the jury still

1635
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 2: hasn't gone out. The judge is still summing up. Yesterday

1636
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 2: were like, na, it's going to wrap up today. Today

1637
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 2: it's still not wrapped up. The Judge's going to carry

1638
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 2: on to tomorrow, and they think that they're going to

1639
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 2: send the jury out tomorrow morning. But god only knows.

1640
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 2: The judge might have some have some addendums that they

1641
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 2: had to have at night. I just decide, Oh, don't

1642
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: feel like I've written I don't feel like I've covered

1643
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Speaker 2: everything off. Let me cover some more off. Lord God,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you what if you were one

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Speaker 2: of those you know how sometimes you've got the older

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Speaker 2: people and you know, people who don't have enough to

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Speaker 2: do with their time. And no disrespect to older people,

1648
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Speaker 2: but you know, when you're a pensioner, you have got

1649
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1650
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1667
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1672
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Speaker 2: show bus news for you. Tickets for acdc's Australia tour

1674
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1677
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Speaker 2: day for the opening European League of the tour, which

1678
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Speaker 2: is underway at the moment. But the reviews have just

1679
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Speaker 2: frankly not been great because it sounds like this that's

1680
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Speaker 2: from a video that's gone viral in TikTok Angus. Young

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Speaker 2: oy Oi has been yelling into the microphone while dressed

1682
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Speaker 2: in an unbuttoned white shirt and some blue velvet shorts.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not even gonna describe the rat's nest that

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Speaker 2: is the hair. Singer Brian Johnson then begins to sing,

1685
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Speaker 2: but it seems like the crowd is even louder than

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Speaker 2: he is.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know how much of the quality of

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Speaker 2: this is the poor quality of the video or just

1690
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Speaker 2: the poor quality of the band, but I'm guessing it's

1691
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Speaker 2: the poor quality of the band. People online have been

1692
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Speaker 2: urging them to just you know, retire, take the pension,

1693
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Speaker 2: save their legacy, but they've got another twenty shows to

1694
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Speaker 2: go this year and the tickets are starting at about

1695
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Speaker 2: two hundred dollars a pop. So I don't think they

1696
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Speaker 2: are going to give up now, even though they probably should. Yeah,

1697
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Speaker 2: So anyway, go watch it. If you're like, no, you're

1698
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Speaker 2: being unfair to them. And you know, I'm in the media,

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Speaker 2: so chances are high, about seventy to eighty percent that

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Speaker 2: I am being unfair to them, because that's what we

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Speaker 2: do every day. But if you don't believe me, go

1702
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Speaker 2: and have a look at that video and you decide

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Speaker 2: for yourself. Genative train is with us next news till sirv.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither to

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Speaker 1: that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Taking the now all of the developments in this situation

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and you're the arming up in

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Speaker 2: Europe and so on. The thing that has alarmed me

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Speaker 2: the most was the news that came through this morning

1712
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Speaker 2: our time via the telegraph, which is that it was

1713
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Speaker 2: via the telegraph on my phone. I got the alert

1714
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Speaker 2: from them that the government, the UK government is going

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Speaker 2: to purchase twelve new fighter jets and they're going to

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Speaker 2: be equipped with nuclear warheads for the first time since

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Speaker 2: the Cold War. I consider that to be reasonably freaky,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk to Gavin Gray about it

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Speaker 2: when he's with us in ten minutes time. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: four away from seven. Now. It turns out that the

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Speaker 2: government did get lobbied by the Banking Association to make

1722
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 2: a law change to prevent potentially costly law action class

1723
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 2: action lawsuits. You know, we've been talking about this government's

1724
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 2: going to change things retrospectively so a couple of Australian

1725
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 2: banks don't have to potentially pay out fines to Kiwi

1726
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: customers in this class action. Last month, the Minister now responds,

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 2: Will Scotsson told us the banks hadn't called for this.

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Speaker 13: I've met with the Bankers Association and they aren't calling

1729
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 13: for it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come of that. Why would you people be

1731
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: making this change if it wasn't for the fact that

1732
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 2: the banks wanted it.

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Speaker 23: Well, that's well, you might think that.

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Speaker 2: Heather genetib Traney is The Herald's Wellington business editor who's

1735
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 2: been looking into this and with us. Now hey, you know,

1736
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: hey Heather, now what's going on here? Is he just

1737
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: not across the detail?

1738
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Speaker 22: Well, you know, that would be the generous view of this.

1739
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 22: The government most definitely was lobbied by the banks. The

1740
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 22: banks have for years wanted the government to change the

1741
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 22: way the law is applied to a period between twenty

1742
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 22: fifteen and twenty nineteen so that if the banks are

1743
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 22: taken to court for failing to disclose the right information

1744
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 22: about loans to their customers, so that the penalty that

1745
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 22: the banks face isn't too high. As it stands, banks

1746
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 22: have to reimburse customers all their interest, costs and fees

1747
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 22: for the period of the breach, regardless of how serious

1748
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 22: that breach is. The banks don't like that because of

1749
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 22: course that exposes them to you know, like potentially hundreds

1750
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 22: of millions of dollars in costs. So they've been calling

1751
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 22: for this change now. Actually, interestingly, yesterday we got a

1752
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 22: bunch of documents from the government. We can see that

1753
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 22: about a year ago the bank's association wrote to the

1754
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,959
Speaker 22: minister specifically to say can you please make this change,

1755
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 22: and then later throughout the year. Last year the Ministry

1756
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 22: MB officials met with ASB and A and Z, the

1757
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 22: two banks that have been taken to court to get

1758
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 22: their two cents on this issue. So when Scott Simptom

1759
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 22: says they weren't lobbied, they most definitely were.

1760
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: Well, of course they were. I mean in anybody with

1761
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 2: any insight, like anybody who understands how these things work,

1762
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 2: which is pretty much everybody, would understand that that auspot.

1763
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: But I mean, am I there is the outside possibility

1764
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 2: that it was Andrew Bailey, who was the previous minister,

1765
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 2: who was lobbied, And there is an outside possibility that's

1766
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 2: somewhere along the line in the handover from Andrew to Scott.

1767
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: Scott just didn't realize the banks that asked for it.

1768
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 2: Am I being too generous?

1769
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 22: I mean, that is quite possibly what happened. But you know,

1770
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 22: it is worrying because you know, that would suggest that

1771
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 22: he's making this law change which has quite severe consequences,

1772
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 22: like the penalties that the two banks face could be

1773
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 22: in the hundreds of millions of dollars. It's a lot

1774
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 22: of money. Yes, to think that he's making a change

1775
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 22: like that without sort of understanding the broader context or

1776
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 22: the different players involved is concerning.

1777
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 2: It is concerning, and I'm starting to see a little

1778
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 2: bit of a pattern of this emerging with Scott Simpson. Now,

1779
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that the lawyer who is representing the

1780
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 2: Kiwi clients and the class action is stoked about this revelation.

1781
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 22: Yeah, exactly. I actually just talked to him, Scott Russell.

1782
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 22: He is sort of disgusted by this situation because you know,

1783
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 22: it's it's fine if officials talk to banks, that's all good,

1784
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 22: but you'd think that they'd talk to the other side

1785
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 22: as well. You'd think that they'd talk to him, and

1786
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 22: they didn't do that. Now you might just think, well

1787
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 22: they didn't think to call him up, why should they?

1788
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 22: But he specifically emailed MB a few days before the

1789
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 22: Banker's Association emailed Andrew Bailey saying that he was interested

1790
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 22: in this issue. Scott Russell, you know, specifically asked them,

1791
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 22: are you considering making this law change retrospective because of

1792
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 22: course that would affect the court case that he's involved with.

1793
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 22: An MB official said no. So in June last year

1794
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 22: they said no. You know a few days later the

1795
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 22: bankers email and say can you look into this thing?

1796
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 22: They end up looking into it, They end up making

1797
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 22: the change, and the first the public knows of this

1798
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 22: is when the government introduces the bill to Parliament in

1799
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 22: March this year. So all this stuff was happening behind

1800
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 22: closed door. We didn't know about it until it happened.

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01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 5: Now.

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01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 22: Scott Russell was obviously not happy about that.

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01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine, Jenay, thank you so much, really

1804
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 2: appreciate your insight. Jenetab Traney, the Herald's Wellington Business editor,

1805
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: Together do for c Allen the water if anera Carpitty

1806
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 2: Rugby Football Union has just pulled through on their threat,

1807
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: has just has just done what they said they were

1808
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: going to do. They've canceled all rugby across the union

1809
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 2: for the Saturday. Now you remember that they'd warned they

1810
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: were going to do this right because of the issue

1811
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: of referee abuse. They put out a statement saying last Saturday,

1812
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 2: a referee was officiating a college rugby match and was

1813
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: subjected to serious verbal abuse and physical intimidation. It went

1814
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 2: on throughout the match. Multiple visiting individuals were responsible for this.

1815
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: It got to the point where people were so concerned

1816
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: about it that members of the public felt compelled to

1817
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 2: escort the referee to his vehicle following the game for

1818
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 2: his safety. The union did warn. They did warn that

1819
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 2: any more instances of serious referee abuse would trigger immediate

1820
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 2: and decisive action, and they have absolutely followed through on it.

1821
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 2: So can't say you weren't warned. Now we've got to

1822
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: talk about this mount Eden business, because I promised that

1823
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 2: I wanted to. I wanted to just get into this

1824
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 2: with yet that okay, So I don't mind. I'm just

1825
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: gonna be honest that these changes that Auckland Council's you know,

1826
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: presumably going to make where they can build fifteen story

1827
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 2: high buildings, you know, within the catchment of these new

1828
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 2: little train stations and stuff. I don't I don't actually

1829
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 2: mind that. I do feel that we need to kind

1830
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: of get with it and get a bit more modern

1831
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 2: and start building. It's in the how that that, you know,

1832
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 2: The problem is, the devil is always in the detail,

1833
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 2: isn't it. I've lived in a fifteen story apartment building.

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01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: It was seemed like a good idea. Well it wasn't

1835
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 2: a good idea. It all depends, I mean some of them,

1836
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 2: some of them if they're done in a classy way, right,

1837
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: if it's done, Because there are some like the Metropolis

1838
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 2: or whatever that thing is called. Back in that I

1839
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like now. But back in the day,

1840
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: that was pretty choice, you know, and that was that

1841
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: was high end, so that that was pretty good. The

1842
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: apartment block that I ended up in was not high end,

1843
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 2: and so it attracted all kinds of undesirables and a

1844
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 2: lot of it was not homeowners and blah blah blah,

1845
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, as in there were tenants. And if you've

1846
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 2: got like three hundred different apartments and that's full of tenants,

1847
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: people who don't actually can you just end up with

1848
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: a really bad situation. So all I'm saying is it

1849
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 2: all depends on the quality of this thing that goes up, right,

1850
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: So that's the first thing to be aware of. However,

1851
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are going to get

1852
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: really weirdly because it's Auckland, and they're gonna get weirdly

1853
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 2: hung up about the fact that they're gonna lose their

1854
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 2: view shaft to Mount Eden. And I could not give

1855
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: a toss I have got. I've got a view of

1856
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Mount Eden. I often look at it and think why

1857
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 2: am I looking at Mount Eden because it's just like

1858
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 2: it's so bizarre, all the buildings blah blah blah, and

1859
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: then there's a Mount Eden popping up. Now I know

1860
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 2: Mount Eden is special yet yay Mount Eden. But it's

1861
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 2: not as if, let's be brutal about it. It's not

1862
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,759
Speaker 2: like it's a beautiful view. It's just like a lump,

1863
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 2: isn't it. It's not like that, and what it's a lump?

1864
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: I don't I think that the buildings in front of

1865
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 2: it are more beautiful because at least they light up

1866
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 2: at night and do some fancy things sometimes with their LUs.

1867
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 2: Well they don't do that. Well, that's just you know,

1868
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 2: taut fits the light path. You know, the cycle way.

1869
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I know I'm raving about a cycle way

1870
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: right now, what's happened to the world. But the cycle

1871
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 2: way actually does do a beautiful little dancy thing with

1872
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 2: its lights and stuff like that, and the buildings look nice.

1873
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 2: Mount Eden is not worth looking at. That rule needs

1874
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 2: to change. It's ridiculous that we have that rule. And

1875
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 2: I don't mind if the buildings block it out. However,

1876
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 2: let's be sensible about what we build here, because I

1877
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: don't think we need to have sort of like gigantic

1878
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: slums in the air, which is basically what I lived

1879
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:31,759
Speaker 2: in sixteen away from seven.

1880
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics. It's all

1881
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Hellen and Mares.

1882
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1883
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 20: These talks at me.

1884
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, UK correspondence with me now Hello Gavin.

1885
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 20: Hi, hell Gavin.

1886
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 2: I find the fact that you guys are buying these

1887
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 2: fighter jets with the nuclear bombs on them quite alarming.

1888
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,759
Speaker 2: How do you feel, well?

1889
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 20: It's something the Prime Minister I think now feels is

1890
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 20: pretty essential. And of course with so much war and

1891
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 20: fighting going on around the world. I guess this is

1892
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 20: particularly apt, but the UK has to purchased twelve new

1893
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 20: fighter jets that can be equipped with nuclear bombs. They

1894
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 20: will then join NATO's airborne nuclear mission. Now already there

1895
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 20: are other countries that already are part of this seven

1896
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 20: other countries the US, Germany and Italy among them, and

1897
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 20: it's known as duel capability jets, so they can drop

1898
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 20: nuclear but they can also drop more traditional bombs as

1899
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 20: it were, and Downing Street saying this move is the

1900
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,879
Speaker 20: biggest strengthen in the UK's nuclear posture in a generation.

1901
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 20: The jets will be based at Arif Mahram, which is

1902
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 20: in Norfolk in the east of England, and the Prime

1903
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 20: Minister heralding it'll be twenty thousand jobs across the country,

1904
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 20: but there will be those who aren't satisfied at all.

1905
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 20: And at the moment the UK only has one delivery

1906
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 20: system for larger strategic nuclear weapons and that can be

1907
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 20: launched from vanguard classes via tribent ballistic missiles.

1908
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 2: Now, this chap who did the mock wedding with the

1909
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 2: nine year old in Disneyland actually turns out to be

1910
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 2: something of a creek doesn't.

1911
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Speaker 20: He yes, he does. And there's a great deal of

1912
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 20: uncertainty about what all this was about, but it's A

1913
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 20: British man has been charged in connection with a mock

1914
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 20: wedding of a nine year old Ukrainian girl in Disneyland, Paris.

1915
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 20: Now French prosecutors are in charge here. His name's not

1916
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 20: been made public officially, but he's said to be a

1917
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 20: thirty nine year old and was a convicted sexual offender

1918
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 20: wanted in the UK.

1919
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 16: Now.

1920
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,799
Speaker 20: The whole tip off started when a so called guest

1921
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 20: who'd been hired by the man to play the father

1922
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 20: of the bride, turned up to Disneyland, Paris and saw

1923
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 20: that the bride was this little girl, a nine year old,

1924
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 20: and that's when he tipped off the authorities. He says

1925
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 20: he'd been paid roughly twenty four thousand New Zealand dollars

1926
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 20: to play the role and only realized at the last minute. Indeed,

1927
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 20: up to one hundred French extras, you know, to play

1928
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 20: the to play the congregation and to play the witnesses

1929
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 20: had been recruited to take part, which was filmed in

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01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 20: a private capacity. The British man is said to have

1931
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 20: hired Disneyland Paris for several hours for the stunt in

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01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 20: which he was to play the role of the groom.

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Speaker 20: It is utterly bizarre. Three other people, including a forty

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Speaker 20: one year old mother of the girl, a twenty four

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Speaker 20: year old Latvian woman who was used to play the

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Speaker 20: bride's sister, and a fifty five year old Latvian man,

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Speaker 20: have also been arrested.

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Speaker 2: Now bizarre. Now where has Jeff moved as party to.

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Speaker 20: Ah? Very good question, So Jeff Bzols. Of course, one

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Speaker 20: of the world's richest people, the US tech billionaire, is

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Speaker 20: getting married and he has chosen to marry the TV

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Speaker 20: presenter Lauren Sanchez in Venice. But the problem is locals

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Speaker 20: are angry. They're first of all a bit fed up

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Speaker 20: with mats tourism, but the idea that virtually the whole

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Speaker 20: of the city is to be shut down for this wedding,

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Speaker 20: as some describe it, has annoyed many. Now, the count

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Speaker 20: and many business people in Venice are furious at this

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Speaker 20: backlash of protest. But they have put up posters around

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Speaker 20: the town saying that you can't buy Venice and no

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Speaker 20: space for bezos posters. They even unfiled the banner saying

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Speaker 20: he wasn't welcome. They are saying they're going to do

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Speaker 20: things during the three day of lavish ceremonies and various parties,

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Speaker 20: and so it looks like that we guests including Kim

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Speaker 20: Kardashi and Mick Jagger, Leonardo DiCaprio, several of the Trump

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Speaker 20: several politicians as well. It looks like they are having

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Speaker 20: to change the venues away from the very city center. Anyway.

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Speaker 20: I don't know about it if you've got your invite yet, Heather,

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Speaker 20: but apparently the guests start to arrive within the next

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Speaker 20: twenty four to thirty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see you there, Gavin. I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 2: to catching up with you with a glass of eparoles sprits.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, And Ah, have you seen Marcus's

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Speaker 2: text to Donald Trump? It's been I'm aware that it's

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Speaker 2: been around for most of the day, so you may

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Speaker 2: have seen it, but I feel like it is just

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Speaker 2: such an epic level of cringe that I'm going to

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Speaker 2: read it to you anyway. Next, So stand by nine

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tipsy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBB.

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Speaker 2: By the way the cricket thing apparently is not going

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Speaker 2: down well at all. I've been getting a lot of

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Speaker 2: texts throughout the show. For example, this is from Simon Heather.

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Speaker 2: The New Zealand men's cricket fixtures out today. Test versus

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Speaker 2: it's a test versus the West Indies starts eighteen December

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Speaker 2: and then there's nothing until a twenty twenty versus South

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Speaker 2: Africa on March fifteen. There's three months waiting, which actually

1978
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Speaker 2: is a fair point. And the German was it will

1979
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Speaker 2: be a surprise to you to know that the German

1980
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Speaker 2: likes watching cricket. And she brought a lot of energy

1981
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Speaker 2: to that debate today, very upset that there's no cricket

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Speaker 2: in January. I was a little too tired to really

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Speaker 2: engage in that one, but I did listen to I

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Speaker 2: sat there quietly listening to her rave about it. But

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Speaker 2: there were a lot of people raving about it, and

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Speaker 2: I imagine that Darcy is going to be raving about

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Speaker 2: it shortly. Okay, so Donald Trump, this guy Mark Rutter,

1988
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Speaker 2: who is the NATO Secretary General General, sends Donald Trump

1989
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Speaker 2: a text before or a WhatsApp or a TikTok or

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Speaker 2: whatever way. They comms with each other before Don jumps

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Speaker 2: on the plane and heads over to NATO and he says,

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Speaker 2: mister President, dear Donald, congratulations and thank you for your

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Speaker 2: decisive action in Iran that was truly extraordinary and something

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Speaker 2: no one else dared to do. It makes us all safer.

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Speaker 2: You are flying into another big success in the Hague

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Speaker 2: this evening. It was not easy, but we've got them

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Speaker 2: all signed onto five percent. Donald, you have driven us

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Speaker 2: to a really really important moment for America and Europe

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Speaker 2: and the world. You will achieve something no in caps

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Speaker 2: American president in decades could get done. Europe is going

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Speaker 2: to pay in a caps big way, as they should,

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Speaker 2: and it will be your win. Save travels and see

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Speaker 2: you at His Majesty's dinner. And then what do Donald do?

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Speaker 2: He screen grabbed did and he put it on social media.

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Speaker 2: How embarrassing is that? I mean, because what Mark has

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Speaker 2: done is he's just sucked up really badly, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Nobody likes seeing a suck up. Sucking up as something

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Speaker 2: everybody's got to suck up to somebody at some stage.

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Speaker 2: You got it, but you want that to be private.

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Speaker 2: You don't want it to be screen grabbed. So the

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Speaker 2: lesson in that is, don't send Donald anything on his

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Speaker 2: phone unless you wanted screen grabbed.

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Speaker 14: Okay, Else, I'm glad that he's at least polite, though

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Speaker 14: very hospitable. I'd be pretty happy to show up to

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Speaker 14: a conference if someone was that nice to me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just remember that.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 14: You've done a great job today here though, I mean,

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Speaker 14: you're a broadcaster like no other ants.

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Speaker 2: You are succeeding in a big way.

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Speaker 14: Excellent step on by Happy Mondays to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 14: Happy Mondays were a bigger band in Manchester on the

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Speaker 14: Manchester scene back in the nineties and they were. One

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Speaker 14: of the things they're famous for is Bez. So Bez

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Speaker 14: was technically a member of the band, but his job

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Speaker 14: was to dance around on stage and play the miracas,

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Speaker 14: which I'm sure made the live shows heaps of fun.

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Speaker 14: But in terms of contributing to the actual so no, yeah,

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Speaker 14: probably you could probably have gotten rid of him and

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Speaker 14: you wouldn't have any idea. But anyway, he's he's a

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Speaker 14: dj now and he has now that he has landed

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Speaker 14: a pretty good gig, he's going to be djaying the

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Speaker 14: after parties for the Manchester shows that Oasis is doing,

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Speaker 14: and he's he's let them know that he's available to

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Speaker 14: DJ the after parties at all their other shows as well.

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Speaker 14: So there you go. If you want to see Bears DJ,

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Speaker 14: that's that's going to be a thing.

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Speaker 2: That was a lot. I'll tell you what. That was

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Speaker 2: a lot of musical info that we all just downloaded

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Speaker 2: in the space of like thirty slock.

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Speaker 14: I'll tell you there's a very good movie called twenty

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Speaker 14: four Hour Party People about this whole thing that was factionalized.

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Speaker 14: Steve Coogan's in it.

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Speaker 2: Go watch it again more information. ANTS is succeeding in

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Speaker 2: a big way. Thank you ANTS. See Tomorrow News still zby.

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