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Speaker 3: Welcome to podcast three hundred and eight for October twenty nine,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, which means this year is slipping by

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Speaker 3: rather rapidly. Or to put it another way, that's only

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Speaker 3: about six more podcasts to Christmas, which might not be enough.

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Speaker 3: I as an example, I've just received the a poll

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Speaker 3: result from Patrick Masham from Democracy Institute and the Daily

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Speaker 3: Express on the New York City mayor poll. It's not

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Speaker 3: looking good. It's looking very, very unhealthy. However, over the

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Speaker 3: last few days, I've consumed as much information on COVID

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Speaker 3: nineteen as I could, for a variety of reasons, but

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Speaker 3: specifically so I could spend an hour or so with

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Speaker 3: Professor Robert Clancy without appearing entirely stupid. I've wanted to

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Speaker 3: interview Robert Clancy for the last three years, and I

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Speaker 3: can't explain why it hasn't happened, But now it has.

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Speaker 3: I'm very pleased to say. There's a book out that's

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Speaker 3: been I think out for a couple of months, COVID

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Speaker 3: through Our Eyes, An Australian Story of mistakes, mistreatment and misinformation,

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Speaker 3: edited by Professor Robert Clancy and by doctor Melissa McCann.

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Speaker 3: At the beginning of the discussion that we had the interview,

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Speaker 3: I've run through some detail that I don't want to

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Speaker 3: Shall we say repeat in front of that play? So

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Speaker 3: I will quote you the following. The accusation leveled in

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Speaker 3: this book that the whole of Australia was led down

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Speaker 3: the wrong road in responding to the COVID pandemic is

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Speaker 3: accompanied by a disturbing explanation of how that happened. The

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Speaker 3: US government and the World Health Organization improperly, improperly yielded

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Speaker 3: to manipulation by the pharmaceutical industry interested only in making money.

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Speaker 3: Australian governments and health authorities improperly abandoned the Australian Pandemic

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Speaker 3: Plan for the industry, doctrine dictated by the USA and

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Speaker 3: the World Health Organization. It's uncomfortable for Australian readers now

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Speaker 3: to confront the claim that our country was manipulated by

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Speaker 3: multinational corporations and their beneficiaries. In the theory, the US

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Speaker 3: government should be independent of profit driven corporate direction. At

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Speaker 3: our independent sovereign commonwealth makes its own decisions in the

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Speaker 3: best interests of its people. An understandable reaction is to

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Speaker 3: deny that it happened, to assert instead that Australia acted

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Speaker 3: independently of foreign interference and corporate interests. In that case,

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Speaker 3: it would just have been a fortunate accident for the

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Speaker 3: global industry that Australia yielded it such massive profits, and

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Speaker 3: the commentators who were alleged otherwise must have been imagining

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Speaker 3: something that couldn't have happened. So let me turn to

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Speaker 3: the back of the book. Of the back cover, let

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Speaker 3: me turn to a column that was written in The

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Speaker 3: became aware of it when I read something from Guy

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Speaker 3: Hatchett's over the weekend. We were badly misled about the

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Speaker 3: event that changed our lives, And it turns out that

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Speaker 3: York Times, and that was her headline. We were badly

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Speaker 3: misled about the event that changed our lives. Since scientists

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Speaker 3: first began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories. The

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Speaker 3: world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how

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Speaker 3: Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in

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Speaker 3: they were treated like cooks and cranks. Many public health

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Speaker 3: conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals

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Speaker 3: Nobel laureates and thirty one scientific societies lined up to

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Speaker 3: Let's Seel, the prestigious scientific journal researches, many of whom

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Speaker 3: All of them, many if not most of them, lost

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Speaker 3: may be. Some of them still are unemployed. In this

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Speaker 3: conversation with Robert Clancy, we discover lots, we discuss heaps,

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Speaker 3: Emeritus Professor Clancy has an international reputation in the study

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Speaker 3: And there's a whole lot more, but it's time to

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Speaker 4: Well, I would like to think it continues. I've I

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Speaker 4: and as a result of instructions from bureaucrats and politicians

433
00:29:45,613 --> 00:29:49,493
Speaker 4: and a few rather really informed so called medical people

434
00:29:49,493 --> 00:29:52,453
Speaker 4: that appeared on television on a regular basis, we were

435
00:29:52,493 --> 00:29:55,253
Speaker 4: told you can't possibly you know, it's horse medice and

436
00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:58,293
Speaker 4: it's terrible stuff. And what I was looking at the

437
00:29:58,413 --> 00:30:02,333
Speaker 4: data saying, this is ridiculous. This is a saving lot.

438
00:30:02,413 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 4: We could have saved so many lives in Australia and

439
00:30:05,093 --> 00:30:09,133
Speaker 4: New Zealand. It's as simple as that. And of course

440
00:30:09,333 --> 00:30:12,613
Speaker 4: the evidence, now, there was always evidence they worked, there

441
00:30:12,613 --> 00:30:15,613
Speaker 4: was always evidence they were safe, there was always evidence

442
00:30:15,653 --> 00:30:17,173
Speaker 4: they were very cheap and.

443
00:30:17,293 --> 00:30:20,133
Speaker 2: Available, but we couldn't use it.

444
00:30:20,253 --> 00:30:25,613
Speaker 4: They even brought in Queensland in Australia. In Queensland they

445
00:30:25,653 --> 00:30:29,013
Speaker 4: brought in a rule that if a doctor prescribed hyproxy coriquin,

446
00:30:29,693 --> 00:30:32,653
Speaker 4: a drug which every doctor has been prescribing for sixty

447
00:30:32,693 --> 00:30:37,533
Speaker 4: seventy eighty years a lack with no issue, then they

448
00:30:37,613 --> 00:30:41,853
Speaker 4: potentially could be jailed. I mean, that's how bad it got.

449
00:30:42,213 --> 00:30:45,613
Speaker 4: That woke me up. Now, the point I'm now going

450
00:30:45,653 --> 00:30:48,973
Speaker 4: to make is that very good evidence for all of

451
00:30:49,013 --> 00:30:52,693
Speaker 4: these things is suddenly starting to appear, evidence that was

452
00:30:52,693 --> 00:30:55,893
Speaker 4: obtained four or five years ago, but it's been held

453
00:30:56,013 --> 00:31:00,453
Speaker 4: up by including the people who did the work and

454
00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:04,053
Speaker 4: certainly the journals. They wouldn't publish anything that said they

455
00:31:04,053 --> 00:31:09,333
Speaker 4: were any good. But now it's over. Plastic papers are

456
00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:13,213
Speaker 4: appearing for say, hydroxy chlorum with five thousand people showing

457
00:31:13,293 --> 00:31:18,333
Speaker 4: highly effective preventative effects after the event.

458
00:31:18,893 --> 00:31:22,613
Speaker 3: And it wasn't just hydroxychloroquine either, No, it wasn't.

459
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Speaker 4: There was ivermectin followed the hydroxychloricon, which is clearly the

460
00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:31,853
Speaker 4: best drug for treating COVID still is. Isn't it interesting

461
00:31:31,893 --> 00:31:36,413
Speaker 4: that the two industry drugs which came under the table,

462
00:31:37,613 --> 00:31:40,653
Speaker 4: which have got no effect at all, It's quite clearly

463
00:31:40,693 --> 00:31:44,693
Speaker 4: demonstrated in randomized controlled trials, still used at one thousand

464
00:31:44,693 --> 00:31:49,613
Speaker 4: dollars a pop by most of the family practitioners, and

465
00:31:49,653 --> 00:31:52,933
Speaker 4: that went straight through the registration process. I mean that

466
00:31:53,053 --> 00:31:54,773
Speaker 4: is criminal. Criminal.

467
00:31:55,453 --> 00:31:58,973
Speaker 3: Was there, shall we say, was there such a thing

468
00:31:59,053 --> 00:32:03,253
Speaker 3: as what we might call the tower of power that

469
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:12,253
Speaker 3: was introduced very rapidly into the into the scene. And

470
00:32:12,293 --> 00:32:16,973
Speaker 3: by that, I'm talking about money, and I'm talking about influence,

471
00:32:17,093 --> 00:32:20,253
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about the ability of people to make

472
00:32:21,453 --> 00:32:25,933
Speaker 3: huge sacrifices if they pursued the course that you're discussing.

473
00:32:26,373 --> 00:32:29,613
Speaker 3: But it was it driven from the top on a

474
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Speaker 3: global on a global stage.

475
00:32:32,173 --> 00:32:32,893
Speaker 2: Well you know the.

476
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Speaker 4: Answer to that, and the answer is, of course it was.

477
00:32:35,853 --> 00:32:39,773
Speaker 4: I think what happened in Australia and New Zealand, as

478
00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:42,293
Speaker 4: far as I can see, is that for the very

479
00:32:42,333 --> 00:32:46,373
Speaker 4: first time we lost control of our medical decision making.

480
00:32:47,013 --> 00:32:49,973
Speaker 4: If you look back in history, New Zealand and Australia

481
00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:55,733
Speaker 4: top class medical countries. We do things very very well.

482
00:32:55,773 --> 00:32:59,813
Speaker 4: We have extremely good people. We make our own decisions,

483
00:32:59,893 --> 00:33:03,653
Speaker 4: we use the best information we can get. But on

484
00:33:03,653 --> 00:33:07,853
Speaker 4: this occasion we had a narrative imposed upon us, and

485
00:33:07,893 --> 00:33:11,893
Speaker 4: it came percolated down through big industry. I mean, you're

486
00:33:11,893 --> 00:33:14,693
Speaker 4: aware that Pfizer, for example, would make a million dollars

487
00:33:14,893 --> 00:33:18,653
Speaker 4: a billion dollars profit in a year from its vaccines

488
00:33:18,973 --> 00:33:26,053
Speaker 4: and a little less from its anti viral treatments. Money

489
00:33:26,093 --> 00:33:30,733
Speaker 4: that's unbelievably large. And what they did is they're in

490
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Speaker 4: my country and I'm not sure if in New Zealand,

491
00:33:33,173 --> 00:33:39,413
Speaker 4: but certainly here they've essentially bought the academic organizations. I'll

492
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Speaker 4: give you one example. Iver metnan, the drug you were

493
00:33:41,893 --> 00:33:45,573
Speaker 4: took about, was first This is an interesting story that

494
00:33:45,613 --> 00:33:49,053
Speaker 4: you may not have heard. Ivermectin was first shown to

495
00:33:49,093 --> 00:33:52,813
Speaker 4: be effective at killing the COVID organism by very good

496
00:33:52,853 --> 00:33:56,893
Speaker 4: scientists at Monash University. And she published this data very

497
00:33:56,893 --> 00:34:02,533
Speaker 4: early in nineteen nineteen twenty, and it became well known

498
00:34:02,613 --> 00:34:06,693
Speaker 4: a few months later she was shut down by the university.

499
00:34:07,253 --> 00:34:11,693
Speaker 4: Unfortunately university because I got a PhD from Monash University, but.

500
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Speaker 2: She was shut down.

501
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Speaker 4: What I didn't realize is that she'd gone ahead and

502
00:34:19,133 --> 00:34:22,973
Speaker 4: done a little study on giving iver met and the

503
00:34:23,013 --> 00:34:30,973
Speaker 4: people exposed to to COVID way back then. And surprisingly

504
00:34:31,413 --> 00:34:34,453
Speaker 4: it was just published about three or four weeks ago,

505
00:34:34,493 --> 00:34:39,613
Speaker 4: a month ago. She can now publish it, you see.

506
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Speaker 4: But weeks after she was shut down, Monash University signed

507
00:34:44,533 --> 00:34:48,453
Speaker 4: an agreement with Madina Madonna, one of the two big

508
00:34:48,453 --> 00:34:52,293
Speaker 4: companies making the vaccines for I think it was something

509
00:34:52,373 --> 00:34:54,933
Speaker 4: like three hundred million dollars, huge amount.

510
00:34:54,733 --> 00:34:56,893
Speaker 3: And that must have been in play at the time

511
00:34:56,933 --> 00:34:58,573
Speaker 3: that she was releasing.

512
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Speaker 4: It was, of course it was. Of course it was. Now,

513
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:06,133
Speaker 4: let let me expand on that even a little further.

514
00:35:07,173 --> 00:35:09,373
Speaker 4: There was a huge play a couple of months ago

515
00:35:10,893 --> 00:35:16,773
Speaker 4: when the premiere of Victoria, who's a rather controversial figure

516
00:35:16,813 --> 00:35:23,773
Speaker 4: at the moment, she opened the new manufacturing exercise at

517
00:35:23,853 --> 00:35:26,653
Speaker 4: Monash to make Messenger and A with the purpose of

518
00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:33,213
Speaker 4: replacing our existing vaccines. It's hard to believe this is

519
00:35:33,253 --> 00:35:36,213
Speaker 4: actually happening. And she got up and she said something

520
00:35:36,213 --> 00:35:40,133
Speaker 4: which was rather stupid. She said, every mother is going

521
00:35:40,173 --> 00:35:43,333
Speaker 4: to be so they're going to learn the word respiratual

522
00:35:43,413 --> 00:35:48,613
Speaker 4: since city or virus disease, because right we're about to

523
00:35:48,653 --> 00:35:52,253
Speaker 4: bring out this fantastic vaccine that's going to save the

524
00:35:52,333 --> 00:35:57,333
Speaker 4: children and it's going to change their lives. About four

525
00:35:57,413 --> 00:36:00,813
Speaker 4: or five days after that, there was a tiny little

526
00:36:00,893 --> 00:36:06,773
Speaker 4: notice that Maderna brought out in an obscure publication somewhere

527
00:36:06,813 --> 00:36:10,973
Speaker 4: that very few people saw. They're put on hold their

528
00:36:11,213 --> 00:36:17,333
Speaker 4: trial in children for the RSV virus because eighteen percent

529
00:36:17,413 --> 00:36:20,973
Speaker 4: of the kids were in hospital with serious life threatening

530
00:36:21,093 --> 00:36:24,413
Speaker 4: RSV disease eighteen percent of those vaccinated with the Messenger

531
00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:28,053
Speaker 4: RNA vaccine. Now, that is not surprising, that is predictable

532
00:36:28,893 --> 00:36:30,253
Speaker 4: and that is what we're facing.

533
00:36:30,853 --> 00:36:33,413
Speaker 3: So is it is it really on hold or do

534
00:36:33,453 --> 00:36:34,133
Speaker 3: you think it's dead?

535
00:36:35,013 --> 00:36:37,173
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not dead. No, The only thing it's dead

536
00:36:37,213 --> 00:36:38,573
Speaker 2: is some of the kids who are going to get it.

537
00:36:39,733 --> 00:36:43,933
Speaker 3: What was the advantage to Maderna to doing that in Victoria.

538
00:36:44,573 --> 00:36:47,013
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good point, you'd have to ask them.

539
00:36:47,213 --> 00:36:50,733
Speaker 4: They seem to have taken over the Australian institutions because

540
00:36:50,733 --> 00:36:54,293
Speaker 4: it's not just Monash is a key one, but certainly

541
00:36:54,373 --> 00:36:58,653
Speaker 4: there are structures being built in Sydney at mcquarie University

542
00:36:59,773 --> 00:37:05,173
Speaker 4: for the production of Messenger RNA vaccines. Nearly all the

543
00:37:05,253 --> 00:37:09,013
Speaker 4: universities in New South Wales are tied into a system

544
00:37:09,173 --> 00:37:13,533
Speaker 4: of profit that will benefit from these activities. I suspect

545
00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:18,773
Speaker 4: the same occurs in Victoria, and a very good in

546
00:37:18,813 --> 00:37:23,893
Speaker 4: the book that we're published, which is COVID through Our Eyes,

547
00:37:25,013 --> 00:37:31,293
Speaker 4: a very good individual who's been working in press for many,

548
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:34,853
Speaker 4: many years did follow the money in Australia and identified

549
00:37:35,093 --> 00:37:40,453
Speaker 4: how it is all linked up with the Messenger RNA story.

550
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Speaker 3: So out of that book on page forty six, subhead

551
00:37:44,213 --> 00:37:48,253
Speaker 3: do mRNA vaccines protect against COVID nineteen infection?

552
00:37:48,653 --> 00:37:52,093
Speaker 4: Yes they do, Yes they do, But there's a writer

553
00:37:52,213 --> 00:37:57,373
Speaker 4: to that any vaccine they don't do it any better. Well,

554
00:37:57,453 --> 00:38:00,013
Speaker 4: put it this way, no one has ever shown that

555
00:38:00,093 --> 00:38:04,013
Speaker 4: we needed to go anywhere else other than the traditional

556
00:38:04,093 --> 00:38:09,733
Speaker 4: route for making the vaccine for cod it. There is

557
00:38:09,773 --> 00:38:13,853
Speaker 4: not even the argument that was so much quicker is

558
00:38:13,933 --> 00:38:18,373
Speaker 4: invalid because by the time the Messenger RNA were on

559
00:38:18,413 --> 00:38:21,013
Speaker 4: the market with all the money behind them, a month

560
00:38:21,093 --> 00:38:25,613
Speaker 4: or two behind it, the Chinese and Australian vaccine producers

561
00:38:25,693 --> 00:38:29,773
Speaker 4: using traditional methodology for an antigen vaccine were also on

562
00:38:29,813 --> 00:38:35,373
Speaker 4: the market, and the Australian vaccine production was completely shut

563
00:38:35,453 --> 00:38:40,053
Speaker 4: down here in New Zealand and became the standard vaccine

564
00:38:40,173 --> 00:38:45,093
Speaker 4: for countries like Iran. They were smart enough to realize

565
00:38:45,293 --> 00:38:49,573
Speaker 4: that it was. And they're not seeing long COVID, you know,

566
00:38:49,613 --> 00:38:52,853
Speaker 4: the type of long COVID we see after vaccination, and

567
00:38:52,893 --> 00:38:57,733
Speaker 4: they're not seeing the increase in mortalities that we're seeing

568
00:38:57,733 --> 00:39:00,293
Speaker 4: with the Messenger RNA, for very good reasons.

569
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Speaker 3: Does mRNA have a future?

570
00:39:02,773 --> 00:39:05,853
Speaker 4: Well, you mean, do I think it should have a

571
00:39:05,933 --> 00:39:07,133
Speaker 4: future or do I think.

572
00:39:07,013 --> 00:39:07,973
Speaker 2: It will have a future.

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00:39:07,973 --> 00:39:08,853
Speaker 3: We go both.

574
00:39:09,773 --> 00:39:11,613
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it will have a future.

575
00:39:12,013 --> 00:39:15,013
Speaker 4: And look, I'm not against Messenger RNA having a future

576
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:18,693
Speaker 4: provided the problems they have, which are extensive, are sort

577
00:39:18,733 --> 00:39:23,373
Speaker 4: of out. I don't think the Messager RNA is needed

578
00:39:23,493 --> 00:39:27,453
Speaker 4: for vaccine production. I think there a bigger case can

579
00:39:27,493 --> 00:39:33,373
Speaker 4: be made for individualized tuba tumor production, although there are

580
00:39:33,413 --> 00:39:39,213
Speaker 4: many other alternate ways of approaching tumor immune suppression these days.

581
00:39:40,293 --> 00:39:42,933
Speaker 2: But what's going to determine it is not you and me.

582
00:39:43,173 --> 00:39:49,653
Speaker 4: It's going to be money and political power and at possibly,

583
00:39:50,253 --> 00:39:53,093
Speaker 4: as we look at the moment, hue great human cost.

584
00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:55,173
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at a I'm looking at a headline

585
00:39:55,173 --> 00:39:59,053
Speaker 3: on the front of a magazine vaccines, fear and collapsing

586
00:39:59,133 --> 00:40:02,533
Speaker 3: immunity by your good self? Can you explain what that,

587
00:40:03,013 --> 00:40:05,613
Speaker 3: what that means, what it's about. So I'm looking at

588
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:10,453
Speaker 3: a headline that says vaccin scenes ain't vaccines the consequences

589
00:40:10,493 --> 00:40:13,813
Speaker 3: of the mRNA disaster. What have you written there?

590
00:40:14,493 --> 00:40:15,733
Speaker 2: Okay? What I wrote there?

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Speaker 4: That particular article was written by me fairly recently for

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Speaker 4: two reasons. Well, the main reason was that I am

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Speaker 4: not an anti vaxxo. I'm very supportive of vaccines that

594
00:40:30,813 --> 00:40:35,013
Speaker 4: are valuable, and I wrote the article to point out

595
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Speaker 4: that we mustn't throw the baby out with the bathwater,

596
00:40:39,093 --> 00:40:42,373
Speaker 4: because that's what some people are starting to do. I

597
00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:45,493
Speaker 4: think the anti vaxxes are hopping on to a valid

598
00:40:45,493 --> 00:40:49,813
Speaker 4: issue with the COVID messenger RNA vaccines and extrapolating that

599
00:40:49,973 --> 00:40:55,173
Speaker 4: in two measles, mumps, you name it, when in fact,

600
00:40:55,973 --> 00:40:58,653
Speaker 4: that is not a very good thing to do. So

601
00:40:58,733 --> 00:41:05,853
Speaker 4: I wrote that largely to point out that we have

602
00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:10,533
Speaker 4: to be very careful about not throwing out all the

603
00:41:10,653 --> 00:41:15,053
Speaker 4: vaccines with just a messenger r and a methodology. The

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00:41:15,093 --> 00:41:18,933
Speaker 4: second thing I put in that article was I summarized

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Speaker 4: the problems with the a very up to date summary

606
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Speaker 4: and the main aspect that you were referring to was

607
00:41:27,213 --> 00:41:34,693
Speaker 4: that if you look at vaccination against airway infections, you

608
00:41:35,533 --> 00:41:41,853
Speaker 4: are moving, you're vaccinating, injecting the vaccine into the body whole,

609
00:41:42,573 --> 00:41:46,333
Speaker 4: whereas you're trying to protect against a virus that's not

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00:41:46,373 --> 00:41:49,413
Speaker 4: coming into the body whole. It's coming into the airways,

611
00:41:49,733 --> 00:41:55,933
Speaker 4: which has its own segregated so called mucosal immune system.

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00:41:56,453 --> 00:42:00,813
Speaker 4: So the injected vaccine will never prevent you getting infected

613
00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:05,013
Speaker 4: or passing that infection onto somebody else. And that, of

614
00:42:05,053 --> 00:42:08,973
Speaker 4: course was completely misunderstood at the big beginning of the

615
00:42:09,733 --> 00:42:17,173
Speaker 4: COVID pandemic, and they were basically saying, we must be vaccinated,

616
00:42:17,773 --> 00:42:20,733
Speaker 4: we must have mandates so that we can stop the

617
00:42:20,813 --> 00:42:26,013
Speaker 4: passing on of covid, and any benefit it has there

618
00:42:26,173 --> 00:42:31,613
Speaker 4: is so marginal it's not worth considering. What the vaccine

619
00:42:31,653 --> 00:42:36,773
Speaker 4: does is that it prevents or contributes the prevention of

620
00:42:37,093 --> 00:42:42,053
Speaker 4: that virus escaping from the mucosal compartment into the body whole,

621
00:42:42,733 --> 00:42:45,613
Speaker 4: which is going to cause more severe disease and death.

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00:42:46,373 --> 00:42:50,653
Speaker 4: And it does that fairly efficiently until the elephant in

623
00:42:50,693 --> 00:42:55,333
Speaker 4: the room, which is reactive suppression, chimes in. Of course,

624
00:42:55,373 --> 00:42:59,973
Speaker 4: if you think about it, the role of mucosal imminology

625
00:43:00,133 --> 00:43:04,973
Speaker 4: is to control a number of bacteria that are lining

626
00:43:05,053 --> 00:43:09,053
Speaker 4: up and contaminating the airway and the gut. It's full bacteria,

627
00:43:09,533 --> 00:43:13,013
Speaker 4: whereas inside the body, one bacteria is enough to cause

628
00:43:13,013 --> 00:43:16,693
Speaker 4: septoicemia and kill you. And so you have a different

629
00:43:16,853 --> 00:43:22,493
Speaker 4: role for the injected type of immunization, which is sterilizing immunity,

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00:43:22,973 --> 00:43:27,453
Speaker 4: to mucosal immunity, which is about control. And to get

631
00:43:27,533 --> 00:43:32,893
Speaker 4: control you have to have a two way mechanism involving suppression,

632
00:43:33,253 --> 00:43:37,173
Speaker 4: so it doesn't otherwise if you have the systemic immune

633
00:43:37,213 --> 00:43:41,773
Speaker 4: system going for sterilizing immunity, when you're breathing in millions

634
00:43:41,773 --> 00:43:44,653
Speaker 4: of bacteria every minute, then you're going to blow up

635
00:43:44,693 --> 00:43:46,853
Speaker 4: like a hand grenade coming in. So you must have

636
00:43:46,893 --> 00:43:53,733
Speaker 4: a suppression mechanism. Now, this suppressor mechanism is becomes dominant

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00:43:53,733 --> 00:43:56,773
Speaker 4: the more you stimulate somebody. And so what we were

638
00:43:56,813 --> 00:44:03,573
Speaker 4: doing with very unplanned booster vaccinations was pouring in stimulation

639
00:44:03,813 --> 00:44:07,533
Speaker 4: together with people being exposed to the COVID virus, and

640
00:44:07,613 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 4: so the tilt went to favor suppression rather than protection.

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00:44:14,293 --> 00:44:16,573
Speaker 4: And so if you look at the big studies done

642
00:44:16,613 --> 00:44:19,293
Speaker 4: for example in Quebec in Canada, which is probably the best.

643
00:44:20,533 --> 00:44:23,493
Speaker 4: Instead of having eighty percent protection against going into a

644
00:44:23,493 --> 00:44:26,613
Speaker 4: hospital in older people, which we did get for a

645
00:44:26,653 --> 00:44:30,613
Speaker 4: few months in twenty twenty one, it's now down to

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00:44:30,733 --> 00:44:34,413
Speaker 4: fifty percent and it last two months. For the rest

647
00:44:34,453 --> 00:44:37,373
Speaker 4: of the rest of the vaccine cycle, as new variants

648
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Speaker 4: come in, you get zero or little or negative suppression.

649
00:44:42,013 --> 00:44:46,533
Speaker 4: And I should have I wished I had prepared a

650
00:44:46,533 --> 00:44:50,093
Speaker 4: bit better and sent you the graph that was in

651
00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:54,373
Speaker 4: this particular paper from Quebec. It's so illustrative showing that

652
00:44:54,413 --> 00:44:59,333
Speaker 4: for eighty percent of the vaccine cycle you're getting essentially little,

653
00:44:59,493 --> 00:45:04,133
Speaker 4: no or negative protection. Negative protection means that you get

654
00:45:04,493 --> 00:45:09,533
Speaker 4: more infections, more hospitalizations than you would go from the

655
00:45:09,613 --> 00:45:12,853
Speaker 4: people who were in the non vaccinated control group. And

656
00:45:12,893 --> 00:45:15,893
Speaker 4: that's what I was talking about, that we're getting what

657
00:45:15,933 --> 00:45:16,613
Speaker 4: we don't want.

658
00:45:17,333 --> 00:45:19,613
Speaker 3: I'm sure that I saw that that graph.

659
00:45:20,053 --> 00:45:21,413
Speaker 2: And it wasn't and it wasn't.

660
00:45:22,293 --> 00:45:25,213
Speaker 4: It's not in that it's not in that quadrant. It's

661
00:45:25,253 --> 00:45:28,133
Speaker 4: in the article which they put on on the on

662
00:45:28,173 --> 00:45:28,573
Speaker 4: the web.

663
00:45:29,053 --> 00:45:31,813
Speaker 3: That's where I saw it. Yeah, And when I printed it,

664
00:45:32,493 --> 00:45:34,773
Speaker 3: I always go print friendly, so I knock them out

665
00:45:34,813 --> 00:45:38,613
Speaker 3: because I've only got I've got to got black print anyway.

666
00:45:40,773 --> 00:45:42,493
Speaker 2: But you know that you know the graph I'm talking

667
00:45:42,533 --> 00:45:42,813
Speaker 2: about it?

668
00:45:42,893 --> 00:45:43,653
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I do.

669
00:45:44,213 --> 00:45:45,573
Speaker 2: It's very scary, isn't it.

670
00:45:45,933 --> 00:45:48,853
Speaker 3: There's a lot that's scary. But in answer to your

671
00:45:48,893 --> 00:45:51,173
Speaker 3: question directly, absolutely.

672
00:45:51,333 --> 00:45:51,533
Speaker 2: You know.

673
00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:55,693
Speaker 4: I contacted Sarah Carrara, who who's the chief or I don't.

674
00:45:55,693 --> 00:45:58,613
Speaker 4: I haven't met her, but I wrote to her and

675
00:45:58,653 --> 00:46:01,253
Speaker 4: we actually had an exchange. She didn't answer my first

676
00:46:01,253 --> 00:46:03,453
Speaker 4: two emails, and I wrote and said, come on, I'm

677
00:46:03,453 --> 00:46:07,493
Speaker 4: a professional, you're a professional. And I said, you know,

678
00:46:07,613 --> 00:46:10,293
Speaker 4: I think you work the best in the world, because

679
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:16,013
Speaker 4: she's followed the epidemiology right through from twenty twenty one.

680
00:46:16,133 --> 00:46:19,693
Speaker 4: But I said, what you're showing, don't you think it's

681
00:46:19,733 --> 00:46:22,213
Speaker 4: pretty confusing? And she said, oh, no, I think the

682
00:46:22,293 --> 00:46:25,933
Speaker 4: vaccine's terrific. And I said, have you really looked at

683
00:46:25,973 --> 00:46:30,333
Speaker 4: your own data? And she stopped answering after that.

684
00:46:30,573 --> 00:46:31,453
Speaker 3: You embarrassed her.

685
00:46:32,093 --> 00:46:34,093
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to embarrass her in any form.

686
00:46:34,213 --> 00:46:37,333
Speaker 3: No, no, no, But was that the reason for the note.

687
00:46:38,173 --> 00:46:41,053
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone else had sort of had said, hey,

688
00:46:41,093 --> 00:46:44,013
Speaker 4: wait a second, what you're showing are the problems, not

689
00:46:44,093 --> 00:46:44,853
Speaker 4: the answers.

690
00:46:45,573 --> 00:46:48,773
Speaker 3: I can't understand how somebody can not be aware of that.

691
00:46:49,453 --> 00:46:52,933
Speaker 4: We'll tell you that there's another guy who's involved. He's

692
00:46:52,973 --> 00:46:55,853
Speaker 4: a very different sort of person. He works for the

693
00:46:56,573 --> 00:47:00,293
Speaker 4: Cleveland Clinic and he's been doing exactly what Sarah has

694
00:47:00,293 --> 00:47:00,813
Speaker 4: been doing.

695
00:47:01,813 --> 00:47:03,053
Speaker 2: He's an Indian chap.

696
00:47:03,093 --> 00:47:06,133
Speaker 4: He's an infectious disease physician, and this is very interesting.

697
00:47:06,853 --> 00:47:10,093
Speaker 4: He was the first to show negative immunity and when

698
00:47:10,093 --> 00:47:13,093
Speaker 4: he showed it, very early in he found that the

699
00:47:13,133 --> 00:47:16,893
Speaker 4: people who had three or more vaccines were getting more

700
00:47:16,933 --> 00:47:20,653
Speaker 4: infections than the people who had less than three or more,

701
00:47:21,133 --> 00:47:25,013
Speaker 4: and he got dumped on by all the fact checkers

702
00:47:25,613 --> 00:47:29,573
Speaker 4: and I saw he answered by saying, this is the data.

703
00:47:29,653 --> 00:47:30,573
Speaker 2: I don't understand it.

704
00:47:30,653 --> 00:47:32,893
Speaker 4: So I wrote to him and we have an active

705
00:47:33,253 --> 00:47:37,333
Speaker 4: two way email exchange and he's a great guy, and

706
00:47:37,373 --> 00:47:40,173
Speaker 4: he thanked me for pointing out the immunology. He said,

707
00:47:40,213 --> 00:47:42,893
Speaker 4: you know, we infectious as these physicians. We do not

708
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:46,453
Speaker 4: understand the immunology. And if you look at who's running

709
00:47:46,573 --> 00:47:50,053
Speaker 4: these programs in New Zealand and Australia, they're infectious as

710
00:47:50,173 --> 00:47:53,533
Speaker 4: these physicians who are very good at treating infections, but

711
00:47:53,613 --> 00:47:59,413
Speaker 4: they're not immunologists. And this guy has and The scariest

712
00:47:59,413 --> 00:48:02,533
Speaker 4: thing about my friend at the Cleveland Clinic is he's

713
00:48:02,533 --> 00:48:05,973
Speaker 4: looking not at this is thirty to fifty thousand people

714
00:48:06,053 --> 00:48:08,933
Speaker 4: who worked for the Cleveland Clinic, not a few. And

715
00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:12,973
Speaker 4: he's now looked at the latest flu pandemic, not pandemic,

716
00:48:13,013 --> 00:48:19,213
Speaker 4: but the flu season with the standard flu vaccinations. In

717
00:48:19,293 --> 00:48:22,733
Speaker 4: the same populations have been getting the COVID vaccines, and

718
00:48:22,773 --> 00:48:26,813
Speaker 4: for the first time ever, twenty seven percent of the

719
00:48:26,933 --> 00:48:32,613
Speaker 4: vaccinated people had more flu infections than there was a

720
00:48:32,653 --> 00:48:36,373
Speaker 4: twenty seven percent increase in flu infections in the vaccinator

721
00:48:36,453 --> 00:48:40,413
Speaker 4: group compared with the non flu vaccinator group. In other words,

722
00:48:40,493 --> 00:48:45,293
Speaker 4: this immune suppression looks as though can spread to affect

723
00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:46,133
Speaker 4: other outcomes.

724
00:48:46,213 --> 00:48:51,213
Speaker 3: Right, So the immune repression is a new phrase, all right.

725
00:48:52,813 --> 00:48:59,293
Speaker 4: The Nobel Prize was given this year, strangely for for imute.

726
00:48:59,573 --> 00:49:02,213
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, But when when I say in the

727
00:49:02,253 --> 00:49:06,813
Speaker 3: new phrase, it hasn't been banded about too much publicly?

728
00:49:06,853 --> 00:49:08,253
Speaker 3: Has it been prior to this?

729
00:49:08,853 --> 00:49:11,133
Speaker 4: Not at all, because no one wants to know it exists.

730
00:49:11,373 --> 00:49:14,693
Speaker 4: It doesn't sit the narrative exactly. Although I did get

731
00:49:14,693 --> 00:49:15,973
Speaker 4: a Nobel prize.

732
00:49:15,613 --> 00:49:19,413
Speaker 3: That's exactly my point. Well, here's another good question, then,

733
00:49:20,013 --> 00:49:22,573
Speaker 3: based on all of the above, how come it won

734
00:49:22,613 --> 00:49:26,093
Speaker 3: the Nobel Prize. You would have thought that with all

735
00:49:26,173 --> 00:49:31,133
Speaker 3: the going on behind the scenes that you're discussing, and

736
00:49:31,173 --> 00:49:33,733
Speaker 3: there must have been much of it, then you'd have

737
00:49:33,813 --> 00:49:36,453
Speaker 3: to be I'll turn it into a question, would you

738
00:49:36,533 --> 00:49:39,933
Speaker 3: have to be pretty brave to award the Nobel Prize

739
00:49:39,973 --> 00:49:40,293
Speaker 3: for it?

740
00:49:41,053 --> 00:49:43,973
Speaker 4: Or can I answer that by telling you about the

741
00:49:44,013 --> 00:49:48,053
Speaker 4: Nobel Prize the year before? The Nobel Prize the year

742
00:49:48,093 --> 00:49:52,013
Speaker 4: before was given to two people who had got the

743
00:49:52,133 --> 00:49:56,653
Speaker 4: prize by inserting into Messenger RNA. Many people watching though

744
00:49:56,693 --> 00:49:59,373
Speaker 4: there are four bases, and it's all about a coding

745
00:49:59,413 --> 00:50:03,573
Speaker 4: of rearranging these bases, and to make it more stable

746
00:50:03,653 --> 00:50:08,573
Speaker 4: and last longer, they changed one of the bases, which

747
00:50:08,613 --> 00:50:13,173
Speaker 4: is called urasilt, using pseudouridine. And without that they couldn't

748
00:50:13,173 --> 00:50:16,933
Speaker 4: have made the Messenger RNA vaccine that got the Nobel

749
00:50:17,013 --> 00:50:23,613
Speaker 4: Prize in twenty twenty four. Within weeks of them getting

750
00:50:23,693 --> 00:50:27,933
Speaker 4: the Nobel Prize, the Cambridge Group showed that by putting

751
00:50:27,933 --> 00:50:32,493
Speaker 4: this pseudouridine into the Messenger RNA it called slippage. In

752
00:50:32,573 --> 00:50:36,013
Speaker 4: the reading, you can imagine the Messenger rena.

753
00:50:35,893 --> 00:50:37,813
Speaker 2: Goes into a cell and it's got to be read.

754
00:50:37,853 --> 00:50:41,773
Speaker 4: The information's read to make a new protein, a spike protein,

755
00:50:41,853 --> 00:50:47,213
Speaker 4: which then stimulates immunity, and in doing that, it's called

756
00:50:47,213 --> 00:50:50,933
Speaker 4: a plus one slippage, which means that twenty percent twenty

757
00:50:50,973 --> 00:50:54,853
Speaker 4: percent of people who were immunized with the messenger RNA

758
00:50:55,493 --> 00:51:01,653
Speaker 4: vaccine were producing abnormal proteins in the blood. Abnormal proteins.

759
00:51:02,253 --> 00:51:06,253
Speaker 4: Some of these abnormal proteins have the ability to catalyze

760
00:51:06,293 --> 00:51:11,453
Speaker 4: a process called amyloid dippers. The Japanese around the same

761
00:51:11,533 --> 00:51:16,293
Speaker 4: time suddenly found a significant increase in the report of

762
00:51:17,013 --> 00:51:21,013
Speaker 4: certain aspects of dementia, which is caused, we believe by

763
00:51:21,253 --> 00:51:24,853
Speaker 4: amyloid deposition. Now I'm not saying all this, I'm simply

764
00:51:24,933 --> 00:51:28,653
Speaker 4: saying that there's these red flags that are appearing that

765
00:51:28,773 --> 00:51:32,253
Speaker 4: no one wants to see as red flag, saying stop,

766
00:51:32,613 --> 00:51:36,013
Speaker 4: let's work this out, because too many things are happening

767
00:51:36,213 --> 00:51:40,173
Speaker 4: that we don't understand. But the Nobel Prize was refuted

768
00:51:40,213 --> 00:51:44,013
Speaker 4: within weeks of it being awarded the following year. I

769
00:51:44,053 --> 00:51:46,893
Speaker 4: think it's wonderful that they went and awarded it to

770
00:51:47,013 --> 00:51:51,453
Speaker 4: the very thing that they're stimulating with their Messenger RNA vaccines.

771
00:51:51,613 --> 00:51:54,853
Speaker 4: Because remember, you do not control the dose of antigen.

772
00:51:55,253 --> 00:51:58,373
Speaker 4: When you put in a genetic message, because it goes

773
00:51:58,373 --> 00:52:01,013
Speaker 4: to every cell in the body, every wealth can become

774
00:52:01,093 --> 00:52:05,173
Speaker 4: potentially a factory. Whereas a tetanus vaccine or any of

775
00:52:05,213 --> 00:52:08,253
Speaker 4: the normal vaccines is a tiny little bit of measured

776
00:52:08,373 --> 00:52:11,293
Speaker 4: anigen that you stick into your arm and goes to

777
00:52:11,413 --> 00:52:15,533
Speaker 4: your regional lymph nodes. Totally different situation. And when you

778
00:52:15,613 --> 00:52:19,133
Speaker 4: don't control the anigen, you get a more pronounced tolerance

779
00:52:19,213 --> 00:52:21,413
Speaker 4: or down regulation affect you to suppression.

780
00:52:22,093 --> 00:52:24,933
Speaker 3: Let me, let me just refer to a few things

781
00:52:24,933 --> 00:52:28,093
Speaker 3: I scribbled down and you've just targeted one of them,

782
00:52:28,293 --> 00:52:34,053
Speaker 3: and you'll understand mRNA has no targeting system.

783
00:52:34,093 --> 00:52:34,533
Speaker 2: True.

784
00:52:35,013 --> 00:52:36,453
Speaker 3: So does what does that mean?

785
00:52:37,173 --> 00:52:41,253
Speaker 4: Well, what it means is that any cell messenger RNA,

786
00:52:41,893 --> 00:52:44,533
Speaker 4: if you just put ordinary messenger RNA into the body,

787
00:52:44,733 --> 00:52:47,213
Speaker 4: it gets broken up and dissipates. And so they had

788
00:52:47,213 --> 00:52:49,853
Speaker 4: to do two things to make sure it got into

789
00:52:49,893 --> 00:52:54,493
Speaker 4: cells so it could translate its message into making the

790
00:52:54,573 --> 00:52:55,853
Speaker 4: spike protein anigen.

791
00:52:56,533 --> 00:52:58,693
Speaker 2: And so they did two things.

792
00:52:58,693 --> 00:53:01,693
Speaker 4: They change one of the bases to pseudo uridine, which

793
00:53:01,733 --> 00:53:04,373
Speaker 4: we talked about a minute ago, and they encased it

794
00:53:04,373 --> 00:53:07,893
Speaker 4: in what's called a lipid nanoparticle, which has a very

795
00:53:07,973 --> 00:53:10,893
Speaker 4: powerful effect at helping it get into a cell, and

796
00:53:10,933 --> 00:53:14,373
Speaker 4: so potentially every cell in the body can take up

797
00:53:14,493 --> 00:53:19,133
Speaker 4: messenger RNA when it's delivered in this particular format. So

798
00:53:19,493 --> 00:53:23,053
Speaker 4: the messenger RNA itself doesn't have a target other than

799
00:53:23,293 --> 00:53:26,613
Speaker 4: a cell to act as a factory. And once it

800
00:53:26,653 --> 00:53:29,973
Speaker 4: does that, it puts the Any cell that makes the

801
00:53:30,013 --> 00:53:33,133
Speaker 4: spike protein is going to have that spike protein stuck

802
00:53:33,173 --> 00:53:36,133
Speaker 4: on its surface as a foreign protein. And when you

803
00:53:36,133 --> 00:53:38,773
Speaker 4: get a foreign protein, the body says, well, we'll make

804
00:53:38,813 --> 00:53:41,413
Speaker 4: an immune response to that. So is it such a

805
00:53:41,453 --> 00:53:44,973
Speaker 4: surprise that you get like an autoimmune response, the T

806
00:53:45,173 --> 00:53:47,813
Speaker 4: cells come along and destroy the cell that's making the

807
00:53:47,853 --> 00:53:54,333
Speaker 4: spike protein, you get myaciditis, you get brain problems, problems

808
00:53:55,053 --> 00:53:58,973
Speaker 4: potentially anywhere in the body, which is what obviously we've

809
00:53:59,013 --> 00:54:00,733
Speaker 4: been seeing for four years now.

810
00:54:01,013 --> 00:54:06,533
Speaker 3: It's a matter of interest the talking of myocarditis. Is

811
00:54:06,573 --> 00:54:12,093
Speaker 3: there any any period of time in which that will

812
00:54:12,173 --> 00:54:16,733
Speaker 3: happen or must happen, or is it something that can

813
00:54:16,773 --> 00:54:22,813
Speaker 3: extend its availability if you understand what I mean, for well,

814
00:54:22,853 --> 00:54:24,333
Speaker 3: almost eternity.

815
00:54:24,493 --> 00:54:27,213
Speaker 2: We don't know. We don't know. I mean, how long

816
00:54:27,253 --> 00:54:28,013
Speaker 2: is a piece of string.

817
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:31,933
Speaker 4: We know that in studying from Yale, which is a

818
00:54:32,053 --> 00:54:36,773
Speaker 4: highly reputable group in the Yale University States. They were

819
00:54:36,813 --> 00:54:39,853
Speaker 4: finding they were finding spike protein floating around in the

820
00:54:39,853 --> 00:54:43,733
Speaker 4: blood of people with chronic post vaccine problems.

821
00:54:44,933 --> 00:54:45,093
Speaker 2: Two.

822
00:54:45,333 --> 00:54:47,733
Speaker 4: They stopped looking at two years, and they were finding

823
00:54:47,773 --> 00:54:53,613
Speaker 4: it two years later. So we know that people have

824
00:54:53,773 --> 00:54:57,493
Speaker 4: post mortems from heart attacks and things like this years

825
00:54:57,573 --> 00:55:01,533
Speaker 4: later and they're finding spike protein and T cell responses

826
00:55:01,573 --> 00:55:04,733
Speaker 4: to that in the tissues. We don't know how long

827
00:55:04,773 --> 00:55:06,373
Speaker 4: it can stay in some people.

828
00:55:06,813 --> 00:55:08,253
Speaker 3: What about IgG four?

829
00:55:09,013 --> 00:55:10,533
Speaker 2: What about it? What do you want to know about it?

830
00:55:10,973 --> 00:55:11,973
Speaker 3: Anything you can tell me?

831
00:55:14,133 --> 00:55:16,333
Speaker 2: No, how long has peace was strength? You know, it's

832
00:55:16,333 --> 00:55:18,053
Speaker 2: interesting a lot.

833
00:55:17,893 --> 00:55:20,293
Speaker 4: Of people who know nothing about the immunology of this

834
00:55:20,413 --> 00:55:25,253
Speaker 4: disease have suddenly found IgG four is increased, and it's

835
00:55:25,293 --> 00:55:28,333
Speaker 4: all part of the toleerzing process. Remember, let's go back

836
00:55:28,373 --> 00:55:33,693
Speaker 4: to new inhaling a virus, we call that an antigen

837
00:55:33,773 --> 00:55:38,013
Speaker 4: because it's foreign. It's no different to inhaling a pollen. Now,

838
00:55:38,053 --> 00:55:41,453
Speaker 4: if you inhale pollens, some people will get asthma or

839
00:55:41,453 --> 00:55:45,653
Speaker 4: hay fever, which is an exaggerated immune response. Some people

840
00:55:45,733 --> 00:55:51,373
Speaker 4: don't now the way, if you go to analogist and

841
00:55:51,453 --> 00:55:54,533
Speaker 4: ask for treatment. More often than not, he's going to say,

842
00:55:54,573 --> 00:55:57,733
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you a set of injections, and

843
00:55:57,773 --> 00:56:01,893
Speaker 4: that set of injections is the pollen adigen, And so

844
00:56:02,053 --> 00:56:04,653
Speaker 4: you give it, and what you're doing is stimulating the

845
00:56:04,733 --> 00:56:08,173
Speaker 4: balance we talked about a balance between protection and suppression.

846
00:56:08,893 --> 00:56:12,533
Speaker 4: And the more you inject the antigen, the more suppression

847
00:56:12,573 --> 00:56:15,493
Speaker 4: you get, and you turn off the symptoms of asthma

848
00:56:15,613 --> 00:56:19,453
Speaker 4: and hay fever. And people say that's terrific. There's no

849
00:56:19,733 --> 00:56:23,413
Speaker 4: real difference between giving people every six months or so

850
00:56:24,693 --> 00:56:29,093
Speaker 4: a shot of COVID messenger RNA. And remember you're not

851
00:56:29,173 --> 00:56:32,213
Speaker 4: controlling the antigen does so it's continuing to be made.

852
00:56:32,653 --> 00:56:35,653
Speaker 4: You're pouring, you're doing the same thing as the allergis

853
00:56:35,733 --> 00:56:39,093
Speaker 4: is doing. You're turning off the immune response, which means

854
00:56:39,093 --> 00:56:43,653
Speaker 4: you get more infections, and you're getting this tolerance which

855
00:56:43,693 --> 00:56:47,253
Speaker 4: seems now as though it can overflow to other biological systems.

856
00:56:47,773 --> 00:56:48,533
Speaker 3: I scribble down.

857
00:56:49,213 --> 00:56:51,093
Speaker 2: You understand that, I'll say it.

858
00:56:51,853 --> 00:56:54,333
Speaker 3: No, I do, But if you want to say it again,

859
00:56:54,413 --> 00:56:54,853
Speaker 3: go for it.

860
00:56:54,973 --> 00:56:57,453
Speaker 2: No, No, why don't you give me your intermation.

861
00:56:58,093 --> 00:56:59,653
Speaker 3: No I didn't get it quite in that world.

862
00:57:01,333 --> 00:57:03,173
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not being nasty.

863
00:57:03,453 --> 00:57:07,333
Speaker 4: I just people do not understand this very simple biological

864
00:57:07,373 --> 00:57:10,813
Speaker 4: principle has been since since one hundred years.

865
00:57:10,653 --> 00:57:13,333
Speaker 3: Right now, that's I mean, this is why I just

866
00:57:13,373 --> 00:57:15,373
Speaker 3: gave you IAG four and then I had after that

867
00:57:15,493 --> 00:57:23,733
Speaker 3: IgG four, I scribbled, I scribbled more shots bad. Right,

868
00:57:23,893 --> 00:57:25,813
Speaker 3: The more shots you get, the more you're going to

869
00:57:26,133 --> 00:57:28,773
Speaker 3: you going to get or more likely you're going to

870
00:57:28,773 --> 00:57:29,213
Speaker 3: get crook.

871
00:57:29,933 --> 00:57:35,973
Speaker 4: Exactly what Sarah ferraras in the Quebec studies and so

872
00:57:36,133 --> 00:57:39,373
Speaker 4: of the Cleveland clinic. They're shown exactly this in large

873
00:57:39,373 --> 00:57:41,653
Speaker 4: and large number thousands and thousands of people.

874
00:57:41,773 --> 00:57:44,493
Speaker 3: And that's because you've destroyed your immunity.

875
00:57:45,093 --> 00:57:47,773
Speaker 4: No, you're not destroying your immunity. You're changing the balance

876
00:57:48,373 --> 00:57:54,093
Speaker 4: of positive and negative because that's what themw cosal immune

877
00:57:54,093 --> 00:57:57,973
Speaker 4: system is all about. Very different to the sterilizing immunity

878
00:57:58,013 --> 00:58:02,053
Speaker 4: inside the body. What happens you spread the suppressor cells

879
00:58:02,053 --> 00:58:05,813
Speaker 4: throughout the body. A fantastic study has just come out.

880
00:58:05,853 --> 00:58:10,293
Speaker 4: I saw it yesterday, perfect time, where they've actually looked

881
00:58:10,533 --> 00:58:16,573
Speaker 4: analyzed the impact of getting coronavirus infections through life as

882
00:58:16,973 --> 00:58:22,053
Speaker 4: cornersing a cold. The COVID is simply a coronavirus that's

883
00:58:22,093 --> 00:58:26,093
Speaker 4: been manipulated one way or the other into one that's

884
00:58:26,133 --> 00:58:29,933
Speaker 4: more likely to invade the body. And so by having

885
00:58:30,093 --> 00:58:35,133
Speaker 4: coronavirus infections, you're priming the person. And this woman has

886
00:58:35,173 --> 00:58:38,093
Speaker 4: done a PhD in the States showing this is exactly

887
00:58:38,093 --> 00:58:41,253
Speaker 4: what's been happening. And the people who are primed with

888
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:45,893
Speaker 4: antibody and immunity to coronavirus is because they've had them

889
00:58:45,893 --> 00:58:49,013
Speaker 4: in the past. If they get into hospital and they've

890
00:58:49,053 --> 00:58:51,733
Speaker 4: been vaccinated, they've got a greater chance of dying. Now,

891
00:58:51,773 --> 00:58:55,573
Speaker 4: that is very scary stuff, and it's showing exactly what

892
00:58:56,173 --> 00:58:59,373
Speaker 4: we have been talking about, and it's now been shown

893
00:58:59,933 --> 00:59:02,293
Speaker 4: in a molecular fashion.

894
00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:08,973
Speaker 3: Well, you've fulfilled my wish in sturing the question.

895
00:59:10,413 --> 00:59:14,333
Speaker 4: It was I didn't ask the question about IgG four though,

896
00:59:15,173 --> 00:59:19,093
Speaker 4: I just IgG four is one of four subclasses of

897
00:59:19,133 --> 00:59:22,613
Speaker 4: the IgG, the main antibody in blood, and the way

898
00:59:22,653 --> 00:59:27,693
Speaker 4: in which these T cells operate to suppress or activate

899
00:59:27,933 --> 00:59:31,893
Speaker 4: is by helping the antibody, making cells work and making

900
00:59:31,933 --> 00:59:33,813
Speaker 4: them make better and better antibody.

901
00:59:34,293 --> 00:59:35,133
Speaker 2: As you get.

902
00:59:35,053 --> 00:59:39,453
Speaker 4: More and more stimulation by vaccines or lots of covid

903
00:59:40,933 --> 00:59:46,373
Speaker 4: or allergy shots, then the T cell changes the pattern

904
00:59:46,613 --> 00:59:51,933
Speaker 4: of impact on anybody making and shifts shifts it to

905
00:59:52,013 --> 00:59:56,413
Speaker 4: an IgG four which has a counter effect on more

906
00:59:56,933 --> 01:00:01,853
Speaker 4: protective IgG antibodies. And so it's part of this toleerzing

907
01:00:01,973 --> 01:00:05,453
Speaker 4: process induced by the T suppressor cells.

908
01:00:06,093 --> 01:00:07,053
Speaker 2: That's as simple as that.

909
01:00:07,693 --> 01:00:11,213
Speaker 3: So what do ask this question? And everyone will get this.

910
01:00:12,173 --> 01:00:16,933
Speaker 3: There are still ads on messenger shots and people are

911
01:00:16,933 --> 01:00:19,173
Speaker 3: responding to them. I don't know in what numbers, but

912
01:00:19,213 --> 01:00:21,973
Speaker 3: not as big as they would have once upon a time.

913
01:00:22,053 --> 01:00:22,413
Speaker 2: I know that.

914
01:00:23,413 --> 01:00:28,493
Speaker 3: But the ad is usually accompanied by safe and effective.

915
01:00:31,093 --> 01:00:34,733
Speaker 3: Your take on that, well, you know what might take is,

916
01:00:34,973 --> 01:00:39,333
Speaker 3: but I want you to share it. Okay, No, I'm sorry.

917
01:00:40,133 --> 01:00:44,853
Speaker 3: I'm not meaning to be flipping. They are not They

918
01:00:44,853 --> 01:00:48,893
Speaker 3: are not safe, and at this stage they're not particularly effective.

919
01:00:48,933 --> 01:00:52,573
Speaker 3: In fact, they're counter effective. You can be worse off.

920
01:00:53,773 --> 01:00:56,173
Speaker 4: I mean, I have friends tell me how they've had

921
01:00:56,253 --> 01:01:00,453
Speaker 4: five or six or seven facines and they can't understand

922
01:01:00,453 --> 01:01:03,253
Speaker 4: it why they're so sick with COVID. They ring me

923
01:01:03,333 --> 01:01:07,973
Speaker 4: up for treatment, and I say, well, of course you

924
01:01:08,373 --> 01:01:12,453
Speaker 4: had to get more COVID. So vaccination with messenger RNA

925
01:01:13,093 --> 01:01:17,093
Speaker 4: vaccines are not safe. There's a study that just came

926
01:01:17,133 --> 01:01:19,933
Speaker 4: out from South Korea which people should be aware of,

927
01:01:20,333 --> 01:01:25,573
Speaker 4: and that is they compared the benefits, the outcome benefits

928
01:01:25,573 --> 01:01:31,053
Speaker 4: from comparing a Fizer Messenger RNA vaccine with a NOVA

929
01:01:32,653 --> 01:01:35,813
Speaker 4: with the antigen vaccine from what is it Nova something,

930
01:01:36,973 --> 01:01:42,133
Speaker 4: and the kids who were getting the anigen vaccine had

931
01:01:42,253 --> 01:01:46,093
Speaker 4: more protection than the kids who were getting the Messenger

932
01:01:46,173 --> 01:01:48,933
Speaker 4: RNA simply because you don't get the same degree of

933
01:01:48,933 --> 01:01:54,573
Speaker 4: suppression with the antigen vaccine. So that's the first data

934
01:01:54,653 --> 01:01:59,173
Speaker 4: of direct comparison that exists, and it did not favor

935
01:01:59,413 --> 01:02:04,493
Speaker 4: the Messenger RNA vaccine. And yet where in New Zealand

936
01:02:04,573 --> 01:02:07,013
Speaker 4: can you get the what is it? I've got a

937
01:02:07,053 --> 01:02:09,373
Speaker 4: metal block on the name of the company that makes

938
01:02:09,413 --> 01:02:16,893
Speaker 4: the Nova. No, No, there's fires from doing to make

939
01:02:16,933 --> 01:02:21,013
Speaker 4: the Messenger And then there's a company called they bring

940
01:02:21,053 --> 01:02:23,493
Speaker 4: out an anigine vaccine which we used to be able

941
01:02:23,533 --> 01:02:25,333
Speaker 4: to get but we can't get now in Australia.

942
01:02:25,733 --> 01:02:28,933
Speaker 3: No, I can't recall. I stopped, I stopped listening and reading.

943
01:02:29,613 --> 01:02:31,813
Speaker 3: Now's the time that now's the time. I'm just going

944
01:02:31,853 --> 01:02:37,773
Speaker 3: to say that I watched this morning the discussion you

945
01:02:37,893 --> 01:02:44,453
Speaker 3: had with the dark Horse podcast whatever it is, but

946
01:02:44,493 --> 01:02:47,493
Speaker 3: it's a it's a video the dark Horse. Now I

947
01:02:48,133 --> 01:02:51,053
Speaker 3: didn't have time to go back and catch the name

948
01:02:51,093 --> 01:02:53,973
Speaker 3: of the guy who runs it. Can you record it?

949
01:02:54,693 --> 01:02:59,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Brent, Brent Brett Brett.

950
01:02:59,973 --> 01:03:01,253
Speaker 3: That's it doesn't matter.

951
01:03:01,293 --> 01:03:05,213
Speaker 4: But yes, he's quite he's quite a big podcaster in

952
01:03:05,253 --> 01:03:05,693
Speaker 4: the States.

953
01:03:07,133 --> 01:03:10,173
Speaker 3: So at the end of it, or towards the end,

954
01:03:11,053 --> 01:03:14,293
Speaker 3: he said, what we must do is actually take the

955
01:03:14,413 --> 01:03:18,333
Speaker 3: example of COVID, where we've gotten as close as we

956
01:03:18,493 --> 01:03:21,973
Speaker 3: are ever going to get to to seeing the dysfunction

957
01:03:22,493 --> 01:03:26,093
Speaker 3: of our system, and we should analyze what took place.

958
01:03:27,093 --> 01:03:30,293
Speaker 3: How did we allow ourselves to be marched in this direction,

959
01:03:30,733 --> 01:03:34,573
Speaker 3: to apply these remedies, to ignore other remedies that actually work.

960
01:03:35,173 --> 01:03:37,693
Speaker 3: How did that happen? If we can get to the

961
01:03:37,693 --> 01:03:41,533
Speaker 3: bottom of the story of COVID, we will know how

962
01:03:41,573 --> 01:03:44,373
Speaker 3: to cure our system. But they're going to fend off

963
01:03:44,493 --> 01:03:47,693
Speaker 3: that investigation with everything they've got.

964
01:03:48,053 --> 01:03:51,013
Speaker 4: You know, that's a very very accurate statement. I'd forgotten

965
01:03:51,053 --> 01:03:55,333
Speaker 4: he said that, but I couldn't say it better myself.

966
01:03:55,773 --> 01:03:59,333
Speaker 3: See, we've got these inquiries going on in both Australia

967
01:03:59,373 --> 01:04:03,013
Speaker 3: and New Zealand which are all a joke, exactly waste

968
01:04:03,053 --> 01:04:06,613
Speaker 3: of space and money. If you've got something useful to say,

969
01:04:06,613 --> 01:04:09,893
Speaker 3: you're not asked to say it. People fall into that category.

970
01:04:10,773 --> 01:04:16,493
Speaker 3: So having dealt with that the WHO, and I was

971
01:04:16,533 --> 01:04:20,333
Speaker 3: on top of this move by the WHO up until

972
01:04:20,893 --> 01:04:24,493
Speaker 3: more recently when we took a holiday and forgot everything

973
01:04:24,533 --> 01:04:27,893
Speaker 3: that was going on. Pretty much, what's your reaction to

974
01:04:27,933 --> 01:04:31,813
Speaker 3: the changes that the WHO is flogging with regard to

975
01:04:33,373 --> 01:04:35,613
Speaker 3: the next crisis, the one after that.

976
01:04:36,973 --> 01:04:41,773
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing is to realize the WHO is

977
01:04:41,773 --> 01:04:44,253
Speaker 4: not what it used to be. It's always been a

978
01:04:44,293 --> 01:04:49,813
Speaker 4: political organization, but what's happened is that then it is

979
01:04:49,893 --> 01:04:55,093
Speaker 4: now essentially run by outside vested interests that are not

980
01:04:55,853 --> 01:05:03,693
Speaker 4: just governments. They're heavily funded by private industry and private individuals.

981
01:05:04,133 --> 01:05:09,573
Speaker 4: They have this worldview which seems to support their own

982
01:05:09,613 --> 01:05:14,373
Speaker 4: profit motivations. I mean, even looking at this as benign

983
01:05:14,453 --> 01:05:18,413
Speaker 4: a way as you can, you can't have one size

984
01:05:18,413 --> 01:05:22,173
Speaker 4: fit all, which is essentially what they're trying to propose.

985
01:05:23,013 --> 01:05:27,893
Speaker 4: The one size fit all is pretty concerning. But you know,

986
01:05:27,973 --> 01:05:30,933
Speaker 4: to have an organization like the WHO with a track

987
01:05:30,973 --> 01:05:33,973
Speaker 4: record which is nothing short of appalling over the COVID

988
01:05:33,973 --> 01:05:37,373
Speaker 4: era telling you in New Zealand and US in Australia

989
01:05:37,613 --> 01:05:40,053
Speaker 4: how to run our medical services and how to prepare

990
01:05:40,093 --> 01:05:47,053
Speaker 4: for the next facts the next it's laughable if it

991
01:05:47,093 --> 01:05:50,973
Speaker 4: wasn't so serious. And we're about to put in play

992
01:05:51,013 --> 01:05:55,693
Speaker 4: from January one, our own CDC and Australia. God only

993
01:05:55,733 --> 01:05:59,493
Speaker 4: knows how that's going to function. It'll be hand in hand,

994
01:05:59,533 --> 01:06:03,573
Speaker 4: I assume with the WHO and you and I aren't

995
01:06:03,573 --> 01:06:04,333
Speaker 4: going to be listened to.

996
01:06:04,933 --> 01:06:06,853
Speaker 3: Well, there's no reason why I should be, but every

997
01:06:06,893 --> 01:06:12,213
Speaker 3: reason why you should. Did you ever meet Ashley Bloomfield.

998
01:06:13,013 --> 01:06:15,213
Speaker 2: No, I don't know as she Bloomfield, don't know the name.

999
01:06:16,533 --> 01:06:22,213
Speaker 3: He was in charge of everything here during COVID basically,

1000
01:06:22,693 --> 01:06:27,013
Speaker 3: and he scored a knighthood through it. He sold all

1001
01:06:27,173 --> 01:06:30,813
Speaker 3: the things that we've talked about that are wrong.

1002
01:06:31,933 --> 01:06:32,813
Speaker 2: We've got a few of those.

1003
01:06:33,013 --> 01:06:36,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, well we had your center too, don't forget.

1004
01:06:38,093 --> 01:06:39,333
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I shouldn't laugh.

1005
01:06:40,813 --> 01:06:46,413
Speaker 3: Well, it's healthy to laugh, you know. Well, finally, let's

1006
01:06:46,453 --> 01:06:48,533
Speaker 3: just talk about the book for a moment or two.

1007
01:06:49,533 --> 01:06:53,413
Speaker 3: You mentioned it earlier, COVID Through Our Eyes, an austraighted

1008
01:06:53,493 --> 01:06:58,013
Speaker 3: story of mistakes, mistreatment and misinformation. Now at this point

1009
01:06:58,013 --> 01:07:00,093
Speaker 3: I'm going to be accusative and I'm going to suggest

1010
01:07:00,133 --> 01:07:02,093
Speaker 3: that one of the mistakes you made was not including

1011
01:07:02,333 --> 01:07:06,053
Speaker 3: at least one chapter on New Zealand you really should have.

1012
01:07:06,853 --> 01:07:08,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

1013
01:07:08,933 --> 01:07:13,893
Speaker 3: Edited by Professor Robert Clancy and doctor Melissa McCann. Now

1014
01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:20,613
Speaker 3: there are nineteen chapters in Part one, Part two Personal

1015
01:07:20,693 --> 01:07:24,173
Speaker 3: Encounters don't doesn't have a chapter number. And it's a

1016
01:07:24,173 --> 01:07:28,693
Speaker 3: book that I believe anybody who is interested in this

1017
01:07:28,733 --> 01:07:32,653
Speaker 3: particular subject should get their hands on. It's one of

1018
01:07:32,693 --> 01:07:35,733
Speaker 3: the better ones. He starts off with what this book

1019
01:07:35,813 --> 01:07:42,493
Speaker 3: is about, finishes with the futurists, that is he being

1020
01:07:42,613 --> 01:07:47,413
Speaker 3: Robert Clancy, and in between there are numerous people in

1021
01:07:47,533 --> 01:07:50,693
Speaker 3: various areas, including Gigi Faster, who we had on the

1022
01:07:50,693 --> 01:07:55,413
Speaker 3: podcast way back in twenty one on Podcast one three two.

1023
01:07:56,093 --> 01:07:58,773
Speaker 3: How did I remember that? And it's a book that

1024
01:07:59,173 --> 01:08:02,813
Speaker 3: will answer a lot of questions I believe. Am I wrong?

1025
01:08:05,413 --> 01:08:05,813
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1026
01:08:05,893 --> 01:08:09,853
Speaker 4: For I think it puts questions, identifies what we do know,

1027
01:08:12,133 --> 01:08:14,853
Speaker 4: It gives some ideas of things how we can do

1028
01:08:14,933 --> 01:08:16,893
Speaker 4: things better. It's a bit hard for me to be

1029
01:08:17,453 --> 01:08:21,693
Speaker 4: too critical of different aspects, but no, what we've tried

1030
01:08:21,733 --> 01:08:27,013
Speaker 4: to do is tell our experience from different perspectives. No

1031
01:08:27,093 --> 01:08:30,293
Speaker 4: one was told what to write they all had free

1032
01:08:30,293 --> 01:08:33,253
Speaker 4: reign to write what they wanted to write. There's a

1033
01:08:33,253 --> 01:08:38,133
Speaker 4: certain consistency of views, as you would note, and some

1034
01:08:38,253 --> 01:08:40,973
Speaker 4: people have got different ideas and views, but by and

1035
01:08:41,093 --> 01:08:45,573
Speaker 4: large it's an indictment of a process that we went through.

1036
01:08:46,493 --> 01:08:49,053
Speaker 4: It's an indictment of the way in which it was

1037
01:08:49,133 --> 01:08:54,213
Speaker 4: run and the outcomes. Our failure, I think, the failure

1038
01:08:54,373 --> 01:08:59,973
Speaker 4: of government to honestly assess what went wrong and if

1039
01:09:00,013 --> 01:09:05,413
Speaker 4: they liked what went right, is extremely disappointing because our

1040
01:09:05,453 --> 01:09:07,853
Speaker 4: government and it seems I thought your government would be

1041
01:09:08,093 --> 01:09:13,453
Speaker 4: more open and more objective. Well, no, I think we did.

1042
01:09:13,493 --> 01:09:16,573
Speaker 4: We held our great hope for the New Zealand government.

1043
01:09:16,853 --> 01:09:17,933
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I'm laughing at.

1044
01:09:18,653 --> 01:09:22,493
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you've let the team down a little.

1045
01:09:24,293 --> 01:09:29,773
Speaker 4: But you know, the inquiries we had were amazing. I

1046
01:09:29,893 --> 01:09:33,773
Speaker 4: knew some of the statisticians, for example, looking at excess deaths.

1047
01:09:34,373 --> 01:09:38,853
Speaker 4: The excess death business is seriously concerning. The Japanese have

1048
01:09:38,933 --> 01:09:41,533
Speaker 4: come out with They've done what no one else has

1049
01:09:41,533 --> 01:09:43,613
Speaker 4: been able to do, and that is look at excess

1050
01:09:43,653 --> 01:09:48,373
Speaker 4: deaths in the vaccinated versus the non vaccinator, and they

1051
01:09:48,413 --> 01:09:51,933
Speaker 4: show that the excess deaths is essentially confined to the

1052
01:09:52,053 --> 01:09:56,733
Speaker 4: vaccinated group. And there's a delay of several months, which

1053
01:09:56,773 --> 01:10:00,093
Speaker 4: means that the early studies looking at what's going on

1054
01:10:00,213 --> 01:10:03,813
Speaker 4: would miss the bulk of the excess deaths. And they

1055
01:10:03,853 --> 01:10:06,973
Speaker 4: looked at twenty one million people. You know this was

1056
01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:09,013
Speaker 4: not just a group of a up one hundred.

1057
01:10:10,213 --> 01:10:12,493
Speaker 3: This book takes up the story of the actual medical

1058
01:10:12,533 --> 01:10:17,293
Speaker 3: response to COVID nineteen in contrast to the plan. COVID

1059
01:10:17,413 --> 01:10:21,493
Speaker 3: in Australia is a narrative in fifteen stages. I just

1060
01:10:21,493 --> 01:10:26,573
Speaker 3: want to refer to stage number ten Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration,

1061
01:10:27,013 --> 01:10:29,573
Speaker 3: the TGA, which we share with you.

1062
01:10:29,613 --> 01:10:32,853
Speaker 2: No, well you've got your own. They talk to each other.

1063
01:10:33,253 --> 01:10:38,413
Speaker 3: Well, I think the weight of numbers might win out anyway,

1064
01:10:38,613 --> 01:10:43,053
Speaker 3: fast tracked genetic vaccine approvals with scanty supporting data at

1065
01:10:43,093 --> 01:10:46,733
Speaker 3: every level. These vaccines have been used in medical practice

1066
01:10:46,813 --> 01:10:50,813
Speaker 3: and better fitted the definition of gene therapy than their

1067
01:10:50,853 --> 01:10:58,053
Speaker 3: classification as vaccines. But it was the the TGA and

1068
01:10:58,133 --> 01:11:02,173
Speaker 3: the genetic aspect of it that I wanted to I

1069
01:11:02,213 --> 01:11:04,213
Speaker 3: said I was going to finish on the last on

1070
01:11:04,253 --> 01:11:06,893
Speaker 3: the last point, but I want your opinion if you

1071
01:11:07,693 --> 01:11:10,413
Speaker 3: care to share it. If you have one with regard

1072
01:11:10,493 --> 01:11:13,053
Speaker 3: to what is going on here at the moment with

1073
01:11:13,173 --> 01:11:18,853
Speaker 3: the the therapeutic and genetic aspect of life. And the

1074
01:11:18,893 --> 01:11:22,453
Speaker 3: prime example I utilize is that they're doing away with

1075
01:11:23,213 --> 01:11:27,053
Speaker 3: the contents of a of whatever is in a can.

1076
01:11:27,093 --> 01:11:29,053
Speaker 3: You've got a can of beans. There's nothing to read

1077
01:11:29,213 --> 01:11:32,093
Speaker 3: on the back to tell you how it's come about,

1078
01:11:32,373 --> 01:11:36,413
Speaker 3: or detail about it or whether it's whether it's been

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Speaker 3: fiddled with along the way.

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Speaker 4: Why are they doing that, you tell me, I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's extraordinary. I mean, I think we're we're moving into

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Speaker 4: an era where subtle changes in preparation, subtle constituents put

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01:11:54,093 --> 01:11:59,213
Speaker 4: in can have a major health outcomes, and where I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm not an expert in the area, but you know,

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01:12:01,333 --> 01:12:05,733
Speaker 4: I recently went to a talk on some of these

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01:12:06,253 --> 01:12:08,893
Speaker 4: plastic materials that are in our water so applies, and

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Speaker 4: no one has a clue what they do. There's no

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01:12:12,133 --> 01:12:16,293
Speaker 4: real evidence they do anything, but they might. I think

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01:12:16,333 --> 01:12:20,013
Speaker 4: that we're finding these things. If you don't identify what

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Speaker 4: we're eating in cans and whatevers, we're never going to

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Speaker 4: know any answers. It's a bit like not telling people

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Speaker 4: that the vaccines a messenger RNA vaccine. What's the difference?

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Speaker 4: Just say this is a vaccine for COVID.

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Speaker 3: All right, So let me suggest there is a connection

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Speaker 3: between the who what eliminating, the contents and the weather

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01:12:44,133 --> 01:12:46,973
Speaker 3: come from, etc. Inside a can of whatever it might

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01:12:47,013 --> 01:12:50,733
Speaker 3: be or a packet may have something to do with

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Speaker 3: the World Economic Forum and their goal.

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Speaker 2: I would not be all surprised.

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm glad you said that, because I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying it is I'm saying that the opportunity there is

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Speaker 3: there to assume that it may well be.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be at all surprised. I think it's consistent

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Speaker 2: with the general thoughts in the area exactly. Very concerning

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Speaker 2: last question, where do you go from here?

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01:13:22,093 --> 01:13:23,453
Speaker 3: You with your work?

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01:13:25,053 --> 01:13:31,213
Speaker 4: Well, I'm maybe four next week, so I'd like to

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01:13:31,253 --> 01:13:34,053
Speaker 4: think where we go. I'd like to think that if

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01:13:34,093 --> 01:13:38,253
Speaker 4: nothing else, I can. At a personal level, I am

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Speaker 4: particularly concerned about people who have got vaccine messenger RNA

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01:13:42,693 --> 01:13:47,133
Speaker 4: vaccine damage. So I'm setting up a small clinic where

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Speaker 4: I see such patients. But what I'm trying to do

1113
01:13:50,933 --> 01:13:54,533
Speaker 4: is set up a program that is easily transportable to

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Speaker 4: the people who will see a lot more because We're

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Speaker 4: making a huge difference in the outcomes by treating them

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Speaker 4: with ivermectin. About sixty seventy percent of these people their

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01:14:03,133 --> 01:14:06,293
Speaker 4: life changes. In fact, last week I had an email

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01:14:06,453 --> 01:14:09,933
Speaker 4: from a patient complaining it'd had one week of I've

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01:14:10,093 --> 01:14:14,773
Speaker 4: met and the guy had terrible fatigue. He said, he said,

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Speaker 4: I've been reborn. He said. My wife has asked me

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01:14:17,093 --> 01:14:19,053
Speaker 4: to go to the doctor because she thinks I've got

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01:14:19,453 --> 01:14:25,653
Speaker 4: mania because she hasn't seen me like this for so long. Now,

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Speaker 4: that's an extraordinary outcome, But most of the patients are benefiting.

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01:14:29,453 --> 01:14:32,053
Speaker 4: And yet no one wants to treat basins this way

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Speaker 4: because the drug's got such a bad name through what

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Speaker 4: happened at a political and company level through covid. And

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01:14:44,093 --> 01:14:49,453
Speaker 4: yet it's the highest binding chemical to COVID spike protein

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01:14:49,533 --> 01:14:52,933
Speaker 4: that exists, and it's very effective. So at a personal level,

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Speaker 4: that's what I'm going to do. At a more generic level,

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping that a few other people can do what

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01:15:00,373 --> 01:15:04,053
Speaker 4: I've been doing and come from a basic science evidence

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01:15:04,133 --> 01:15:08,013
Speaker 4: viewpoint of new coasal iminology, which very few people seem

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01:15:08,093 --> 01:15:10,133
Speaker 4: to have that specialty interest.

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Speaker 3: Well, there will be people who will be asking me,

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01:15:14,493 --> 01:15:18,453
Speaker 3: how do I find you? How do they do you have?

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Speaker 3: Do you have any response?

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Speaker 2: Look, I get emails from people every day at a

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Speaker 2: half dozen, dozen, twenty. I can't answer them. I don't

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01:15:27,773 --> 01:15:30,493
Speaker 2: know what to say to these people because I've got it.

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01:15:30,613 --> 01:15:31,333
Speaker 2: You won't believe this.

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01:15:31,453 --> 01:15:34,253
Speaker 4: I've got someone from Canada coming out to see me

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01:15:35,213 --> 01:15:40,373
Speaker 4: because they cannot get with terrible post COVID vaccine damage,

1143
01:15:41,773 --> 01:15:45,933
Speaker 4: just total fatigue, total brain fog, and no one will

1144
01:15:45,973 --> 01:15:49,133
Speaker 4: treat them with I've emectin. So he's coming out to

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01:15:49,173 --> 01:15:51,373
Speaker 4: see me in Sydney. I said, don't do that's crazy,

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01:15:52,373 --> 01:15:58,493
Speaker 4: But that's how sad the situation is. I can't I'm

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01:15:58,573 --> 01:16:02,293
Speaker 4: only seeing eight people every second week now because I said,

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01:16:03,213 --> 01:16:06,413
Speaker 4: I've got other things to do. I'm trying to find

1149
01:16:06,493 --> 01:16:09,973
Speaker 4: other doctors that will do this. I'm talking with a

1150
01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:12,853
Speaker 4: couple of people at the moment, but they're dead scared.

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01:16:12,893 --> 01:16:15,253
Speaker 4: They don't want to prescribe even though it's totally legal

1152
01:16:15,773 --> 01:16:19,293
Speaker 4: iver mecten because they get banned.

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01:16:20,373 --> 01:16:21,493
Speaker 2: You know, there are people here.

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01:16:21,413 --> 01:16:24,413
Speaker 4: That haven't worked for four years because they legally prescribed

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01:16:24,453 --> 01:16:29,253
Speaker 4: iver mecton. Good GPS probably the same in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got doctor shortages here, that's the insanity of it.

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01:16:33,093 --> 01:16:35,733
Speaker 3: There are still people as far as I'm aware, who

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01:16:35,933 --> 01:16:40,093
Speaker 3: lost their lost their jobs, not just in the medical

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01:16:40,133 --> 01:16:45,293
Speaker 3: field but in others because they wouldn't they wouldn't be assaulted.

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Speaker 3: And it's crazy when when there is a shortage of

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Speaker 3: fireman for instance, just as an example.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well the current economy has probably sort that out

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01:16:57,933 --> 01:16:58,133
Speaker 2: a bit.

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Speaker 3: Robert, it's been great talking with you, seriously enjoyable, entertaining

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01:17:03,693 --> 01:17:06,093
Speaker 3: and in places and informative.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been very nice from my perspective to talk

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01:17:09,373 --> 01:17:15,133
Speaker 4: to an Australian New Zealander trans Tasman. Trans Tasman it's

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01:17:15,173 --> 01:17:16,933
Speaker 4: the only trans we accept these days.

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Speaker 3: So thank you and may we talk again sometime.

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Speaker 2: It would be a great pleasure and nice talking to you.

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Speaker 3: Laden Now into the mail room for podcast three hundred

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Speaker 3: and eight, missus producer. It's a very early morning, yes, Latin.

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Speaker 3: It is things to do, people to see and look

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01:17:44,413 --> 01:17:48,053
Speaker 3: what I've got, look at that and that? How long

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01:17:48,173 --> 01:17:48,293
Speaker 3: is that?

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Speaker 5: I'll be back in ten minutes then.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not reading it yet, but I'm reading it

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01:17:51,893 --> 01:17:54,053
Speaker 3: in its entirety because it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 3: So first up from Malcolm and a very good, little

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01:17:58,693 --> 01:18:01,413
Speaker 3: little comment, but a very good one, Laton, isn't it

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01:18:01,573 --> 01:18:04,813
Speaker 3: time our university is concentrated on the real things that matter,

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01:18:05,453 --> 01:18:10,573
Speaker 3: decent teaching and appropriately focused research. So far is one

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01:18:10,653 --> 01:18:12,773
Speaker 3: hundred and ten out of one hundred. They have gone

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01:18:12,813 --> 01:18:15,213
Speaker 3: so woke these days. I am not proud of either

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01:18:15,573 --> 01:18:18,813
Speaker 3: Victoria University of Wellington or VUW as he puts it,

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01:18:19,413 --> 01:18:23,053
Speaker 3: or MASSI. I am a graduate of both and taught

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01:18:23,093 --> 01:18:26,853
Speaker 3: at MASSI for twenty five years, but I wouldn't want

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Speaker 3: to be there now. That was from Malcolm Leyden.

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Speaker 5: Vic says, with reference to podcast three oh seven and

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Speaker 5: Steven's comment regarding Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, I

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Speaker 5: totally agree with him. The two state solution is not

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01:18:41,333 --> 01:18:43,373
Speaker 5: the answer, and I have thought so for some many

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01:18:43,453 --> 01:18:46,773
Speaker 5: months now. The only real answer is for Israel to

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Speaker 5: re annex the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, as

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Speaker 5: was the original circumstance when the current state of Israel

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01:18:52,653 --> 01:18:55,693
Speaker 5: was set up in nineteen forty eight. The first and

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01:18:55,853 --> 01:18:59,453
Speaker 5: immediate Arab conflicts saw Jordan occupy the West Bank and

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Speaker 5: Egypt occupy Gaza. Would it work? Asks Vic? With twenty

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Speaker 5: one percent of Israel's current population being Arabic and very

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01:19:09,253 --> 01:19:11,973
Speaker 5: patriotic at that, why not they have all of the

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01:19:12,093 --> 01:19:15,053
Speaker 5: rights and freedoms one would expect in a democratic nation.

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01:19:15,693 --> 01:19:18,253
Speaker 5: They are so patriotic that some of them volunteer to

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01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:21,773
Speaker 5: join the IDF and some have served in Gaza. It

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01:19:21,893 --> 01:19:25,333
Speaker 5: would take a gradual and controlled assimilation, but would remove

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01:19:25,413 --> 01:19:29,413
Speaker 5: the current terrorist based from harmas just my humble opinion,

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01:19:29,493 --> 01:19:31,333
Speaker 5: but it was heartening to hear it from someone with

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01:19:31,453 --> 01:19:35,013
Speaker 5: such boots on the ground experience. Cheers, says Veck.

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Speaker 4: Keep up the good work.

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Speaker 3: I listen to all of your podcasts and I congratulate

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01:19:39,293 --> 01:19:43,373
Speaker 3: you on that this is the Actually, no, I'm going

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01:19:43,453 --> 01:19:46,093
Speaker 3: to save this because it's arguably the best one of

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01:19:46,133 --> 01:19:50,493
Speaker 3: all from my perspective from Rochelle. John Alcock has a

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01:19:50,573 --> 01:19:54,853
Speaker 3: Parliament petition. John Alcock was on the podcast twice last

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01:19:54,973 --> 01:20:00,413
Speaker 3: year talking about central bank digital currencies and bitcoin and

1216
01:20:00,613 --> 01:20:04,933
Speaker 3: everything and got a lot of interest. Anyway, petition reason.

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01:20:05,133 --> 01:20:08,973
Speaker 3: I believe that centralized digital IDs could in a tracking,

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01:20:09,493 --> 01:20:15,453
Speaker 3: profiling or data misuse, threatening privacy, freedom and resilience. In

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01:20:15,573 --> 01:20:19,173
Speaker 3: my opinion, an independent review should assess impacts under the

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01:20:19,213 --> 01:20:22,213
Speaker 3: Privacy Act of twenty twenty and the new Zealand Bill

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01:20:22,253 --> 01:20:26,373
Speaker 3: of brentech nineteen ninety Until then, I believe the government

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01:20:26,533 --> 01:20:30,533
Speaker 3: must pause any rollout or funding. And then also this

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01:20:30,893 --> 01:20:34,533
Speaker 3: well written article which I haven't seen, but media blog

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01:20:34,693 --> 01:20:38,293
Speaker 3: the BSA didn't go rogue when it went first. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll have a look Laydon.

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Speaker 5: Brian has written a very lengthy missive and it's a

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Speaker 5: very good one too, so thank you Brian. I am

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Speaker 5: going to edit it for our purposes. But we have

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Speaker 5: both read this very good letter. After your podcast interview

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Speaker 5: with Ambassador Roth from Israel, I felt urged to write

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01:20:58,413 --> 01:21:00,613
Speaker 5: to you, but now with a follow up on essentially

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01:21:00,693 --> 01:21:04,493
Speaker 5: the same topic by Nick Cata. You were absolutely correct

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01:21:04,533 --> 01:21:07,253
Speaker 5: in your comment to the ambassador that an understanding of

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01:21:07,373 --> 01:21:12,173
Speaker 5: the spiritual is advantageous in understanding the midd least. I

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01:21:12,333 --> 01:21:15,773
Speaker 5: was disappointed to hear the ambassador disagree, followed by what

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01:21:15,933 --> 01:21:20,013
Speaker 5: I felt were his uninspiring vague comments about hoping that

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01:21:20,093 --> 01:21:25,573
Speaker 5: the future will work out somehow, someway sometime. As western as,

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01:21:25,653 --> 01:21:28,893
Speaker 5: we live by codes and concepts which can be totally

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01:21:29,053 --> 01:21:32,613
Speaker 5: foreign to others. For instance, the concept of peace to

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01:21:32,773 --> 01:21:36,733
Speaker 5: a Westerner essentially means the abstinence of strife and war

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01:21:37,293 --> 01:21:42,293
Speaker 5: peace to a Muslim means something entirely different. And then

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Speaker 5: he goes on to say Brian says foolish, ignorant Western

1243
01:21:46,213 --> 01:21:50,253
Speaker 5: politicians like Winston Peters by trying to impose a Western

1244
01:21:50,333 --> 01:21:54,573
Speaker 5: concept of a two state solution, Actually asking Muslims to

1245
01:21:54,773 --> 01:21:58,253
Speaker 5: deny their religion and declare their faith to be false

1246
01:21:58,813 --> 01:22:02,413
Speaker 5: to make any peace agreement with Israel is a death sentence.

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01:22:02,973 --> 01:22:06,813
Speaker 5: Think Annual Sadat of Egypt and King Hussein of Jordan. Yes,

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01:22:06,893 --> 01:22:10,533
Speaker 5: the Arafat was offered a Palestinian state but refused by

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01:22:10,613 --> 01:22:13,773
Speaker 5: choosing the all or nothing option by starting the Dafada.

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01:22:14,613 --> 01:22:17,933
Speaker 5: The concept of Israel and Palestinians living side by side

1251
01:22:18,093 --> 01:22:21,413
Speaker 5: in peace and security as two states for two people

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01:22:22,453 --> 01:22:25,893
Speaker 5: is trying to impose an unwanted Western fiction upon an

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01:22:25,973 --> 01:22:30,653
Speaker 5: Eastern culture. And Brian has more, but that'll be it

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01:22:30,773 --> 01:22:31,573
Speaker 5: for us. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Plus last line again.

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01:22:33,413 --> 01:22:37,053
Speaker 5: The concept of Israel and Palestinians living side by side

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01:22:37,133 --> 01:22:41,413
Speaker 5: and peace and security as two states for two peoples

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01:22:41,613 --> 01:22:45,213
Speaker 5: is trying to impose an unwanted Western fiction upon an

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Speaker 5: Eastern culture.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good line. Dear Carolyn from Stephen,

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Speaker 3: thank you for reading up my letter last week. Below

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01:22:52,613 --> 01:22:55,533
Speaker 3: is what I sent. I hope that you didn't get

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01:22:55,573 --> 01:22:58,373
Speaker 3: too much flak for reading it out, as I'm sure

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01:22:58,573 --> 01:23:01,773
Speaker 3: many will disagree with me. I appreciate that it was

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01:23:02,013 --> 01:23:05,493
Speaker 3: more an essay than a comment. However, I would like

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01:23:05,613 --> 01:23:09,093
Speaker 3: to emphasize that to make unification of Israel and the

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01:23:09,173 --> 01:23:16,293
Speaker 3: Palestinian territories work, the Palestinians must be afforded Maslow's hierarchy

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01:23:16,493 --> 01:23:20,253
Speaker 3: of needs. They need a better life under an inclusive

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01:23:20,373 --> 01:23:24,333
Speaker 3: democracy than they have under her mass Hamas is helping

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01:23:24,413 --> 01:23:27,133
Speaker 3: this process at the moment by showing their true covers

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01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:32,613
Speaker 3: by intimidating and subjugating those poor people and killing any dissenters.

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01:23:33,893 --> 01:23:37,453
Speaker 3: The other important aspect is to change the name of Israel,

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01:23:37,853 --> 01:23:41,093
Speaker 3: and I have suggested canaan As that goes back to

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01:23:41,253 --> 01:23:44,453
Speaker 3: a time when they all live together in that one place.

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01:23:45,613 --> 01:23:49,293
Speaker 3: Let them all be Canaanites again, to cut out any

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01:23:49,333 --> 01:23:53,173
Speaker 3: suggestion of superiority for any one group. Peace will only

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01:23:53,213 --> 01:23:56,493
Speaker 3: be achieved when it produces tangible benefits for all. Kindness

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01:23:56,533 --> 01:24:02,093
Speaker 3: Regards Stephen, Stephen, I sympathize to some degree with what

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01:24:02,253 --> 01:24:04,293
Speaker 3: you've said, but I can't agree with much of it.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, there are underlying factors that simply will not.

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Speaker 5: Die Leydon Mike says. I view TBN and two C

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01:24:15,733 --> 01:24:18,613
Speaker 5: and they are on YouTube, says Mike, So that two

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Speaker 5: new sites, are they?

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Speaker 3: No, they're the sites that he was watching live in Israel,

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01:24:26,813 --> 01:24:30,133
Speaker 3: right yes, and and Ghata okay.

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Speaker 5: He says. TBN was started by a tank commander just

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01:24:32,853 --> 01:24:36,093
Speaker 5: after the war and Gaza started. He posted a short

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01:24:36,133 --> 01:24:39,493
Speaker 5: report every day and it has grown substantially since then.

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Speaker 5: Two C reports on many incidents is unfolding in real

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Speaker 5: time Gaza, UK, Pakistan, Iran and many more. So that's

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Speaker 5: on YouTube if anybody wants to have a look.

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Speaker 3: Now. The one that I mentioned that was very long

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01:24:56,973 --> 01:24:59,853
Speaker 3: has disappeared. Ah here it is. It's basically what my

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01:24:59,933 --> 01:25:02,133
Speaker 3: hands and arms do when I'm not paying attention. This

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01:25:02,333 --> 01:25:04,893
Speaker 3: is lengthy, but I want to read it all. Have

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01:25:05,013 --> 01:25:07,213
Speaker 3: you got things to do? I do, well, hang on.

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01:25:08,573 --> 01:25:10,893
Speaker 3: You can't just walk out, I can No, you can't.

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01:25:11,533 --> 01:25:14,733
Speaker 3: You can't. It's from Olivia. I've been an avid listened

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01:25:14,733 --> 01:25:17,093
Speaker 3: to your podcast for the past five years and always

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01:25:17,173 --> 01:25:20,693
Speaker 3: thoroughly enjoy each episode of the show. It's always a

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01:25:20,733 --> 01:25:23,853
Speaker 3: breath of fresh air to hear some common sense, and

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01:25:24,013 --> 01:25:25,973
Speaker 3: it restores a bit of hope in me to know

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01:25:26,453 --> 01:25:29,973
Speaker 3: that there are other sane individuals out there. So thank

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01:25:30,013 --> 01:25:32,613
Speaker 3: you for all your work and made the show long continue.

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01:25:33,493 --> 01:25:36,613
Speaker 3: Nick Cater is always a guest of particular interest to me,

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01:25:36,693 --> 01:25:38,653
Speaker 3: and especially this week, as you touched on a couple

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01:25:38,693 --> 01:25:42,453
Speaker 3: of topics that hit close to home. Almost eleven years ago,

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01:25:42,653 --> 01:25:45,293
Speaker 3: as a bright and bushy tailed twenty three year old,

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01:25:45,813 --> 01:25:48,373
Speaker 3: I left the shores of New Zealand for Australia and

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01:25:48,413 --> 01:25:51,813
Speaker 3: found myself in Melbourne, where I pursued further study. I'd

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01:25:51,853 --> 01:25:54,653
Speaker 3: spent no more than two days in the city before moving,

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01:25:55,253 --> 01:25:59,493
Speaker 3: so there was much to explore on arrival. At this time.

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01:25:59,653 --> 01:26:04,093
Speaker 3: I remember Melbourne as bright and vibrant, with amazing food,

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01:26:04,413 --> 01:26:07,613
Speaker 3: culture and sport. That's the Melbourne that I remember too.

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01:26:08,413 --> 01:26:11,253
Speaker 3: Petrol was only ninety cents a liter, oh please, and

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01:26:11,413 --> 01:26:14,773
Speaker 3: it was still commonplace for many, if not most, cafes

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01:26:14,813 --> 01:26:17,333
Speaker 3: and shops to have a minimum spend. To use your

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01:26:17,493 --> 01:26:21,173
Speaker 3: f postcard, you had to carry cash. Those days are

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01:26:21,253 --> 01:26:23,453
Speaker 3: long gone and you and Nick were on the money

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01:26:23,533 --> 01:26:26,333
Speaker 3: in describing Melbourne as a shell of its former self.

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01:26:26,613 --> 01:26:29,813
Speaker 3: I won't bother to go into the COVID lockdowns or

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01:26:29,893 --> 01:26:33,133
Speaker 3: Dan Andrews. We all know the destruction that time and

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01:26:33,333 --> 01:26:37,813
Speaker 3: man are responsible for today, or should that be that

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01:26:38,053 --> 01:26:41,933
Speaker 3: time and that man are responsible for today. The city

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01:26:42,093 --> 01:26:46,453
Speaker 3: is tired and run down, teeming with protesters, crime and homeless.

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01:26:46,733 --> 01:26:50,093
Speaker 3: The roads are full of potholes which reappear almost as

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01:26:50,173 --> 01:26:53,133
Speaker 3: soon as they're fixed. Works on the Westgate Tunnel and Freeway,

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01:26:53,173 --> 01:26:55,413
Speaker 3: which were supposed to be completed in twenty twenty two,

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01:26:55,413 --> 01:26:58,653
Speaker 3: are still ongoing and cause endless disruption to travel. The

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01:26:58,733 --> 01:27:01,733
Speaker 3: Metro train tunnel is much the same, and I couldn't

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01:27:01,773 --> 01:27:04,293
Speaker 3: tell you why, but whenever I need a train to

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01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:06,893
Speaker 3: the city, my line is not running. When I have

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01:27:07,013 --> 01:27:09,533
Speaker 3: the energy to raise any of this with friends, all

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01:27:09,613 --> 01:27:11,893
Speaker 3: of whom are on the left, they tell me how

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01:27:11,933 --> 01:27:15,253
Speaker 3: wonderful the food and hospitality industry are in Melbourne, and

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01:27:15,613 --> 01:27:19,293
Speaker 3: excitedly remind me that we're getting free public transport all

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01:27:19,333 --> 01:27:22,893
Speaker 3: summer long. There certainly are still great places to eat

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01:27:22,933 --> 01:27:26,133
Speaker 3: and drink and events going on, but my friends don't

1339
01:27:26,173 --> 01:27:29,693
Speaker 3: seem to realize that these don't set Melbourne apart anymore.

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01:27:30,533 --> 01:27:33,613
Speaker 3: There are plenty of cities who boast food, wine, culture,

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01:27:33,773 --> 01:27:36,733
Speaker 3: minus the crime and run down city. As for the

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01:27:36,813 --> 01:27:39,893
Speaker 3: free summer transport, I'm not sure where they think the

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01:27:39,973 --> 01:27:43,973
Speaker 3: money for this is coming from. And as doctors, lawyers, consultants,

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01:27:44,013 --> 01:27:46,773
Speaker 3: et cetera, I doubt very much whether they need the

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01:27:46,893 --> 01:27:50,893
Speaker 3: extra money in their account, especially because fair evading is

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01:27:51,053 --> 01:27:54,653
Speaker 3: the norm for many Melbournians. The commentary on mental health

1347
01:27:55,173 --> 01:27:57,973
Speaker 3: and what we do with the mentally unwell in Victoria

1348
01:27:58,093 --> 01:28:02,933
Speaker 3: also piqued by interest as I'm a practicing neuropsychologist. Here

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01:28:03,493 --> 01:28:05,613
Speaker 3: Nick was on the money when he pointed out that

1350
01:28:06,133 --> 01:28:09,533
Speaker 3: our definition of mental health has white. In my opinion,

1351
01:28:09,613 --> 01:28:12,933
Speaker 3: the public awareness campaigns for mental health over recent decades,

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01:28:13,013 --> 01:28:16,293
Speaker 3: both in New Zealand and Australia, have done more harm

1353
01:28:16,453 --> 01:28:22,733
Speaker 3: than good by pathologizing normal life experience today, particularly in

1354
01:28:22,893 --> 01:28:26,813
Speaker 3: my generation and younger millennials, et cetera. You have a

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01:28:26,933 --> 01:28:30,973
Speaker 3: bad day, week, month, and you have depression. You feel

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01:28:31,053 --> 01:28:34,533
Speaker 3: a bit uncertain in novel social situations and you have

1357
01:28:34,653 --> 01:28:38,493
Speaker 3: social anxiety, or you're constantly distracted by your phone lighting

1358
01:28:38,613 --> 01:28:42,333
Speaker 3: up and you have ADHD. No harm, though, Go to

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01:28:42,413 --> 01:28:45,773
Speaker 3: your GP, get your mental health care plan, and you

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01:28:45,933 --> 01:28:50,733
Speaker 3: get your ten government subsidized psychology sessions per year. As

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01:28:50,813 --> 01:28:53,413
Speaker 3: Nick pointed, out this does nothing for those with severe

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01:28:53,493 --> 01:28:57,613
Speaker 3: mental health issues, of whom there are many, and who

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01:28:57,693 --> 01:29:00,453
Speaker 3: are left to suffer. I could go on, but at

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01:29:00,453 --> 01:29:02,293
Speaker 3: the end of the day, the whole mental health system

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01:29:02,373 --> 01:29:07,173
Speaker 3: here and in New Zealand needs a complete overhaul. Sadly, though,

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01:29:07,373 --> 01:29:11,133
Speaker 3: my faith in the future of mental health treatment management

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01:29:11,173 --> 01:29:15,093
Speaker 3: in Australia is at an all time low. As I

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01:29:15,173 --> 01:29:18,653
Speaker 3: write this, the Psychology Board of Australia, at the direction

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01:29:18,973 --> 01:29:22,853
Speaker 3: of the Australian Government, are reviewing training pathways to become

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01:29:23,293 --> 01:29:26,933
Speaker 3: a psychologist, with their proposal being to lower the standards

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01:29:27,373 --> 01:29:31,813
Speaker 3: required to enter training programs and to cut course lengths. Well,

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01:29:31,893 --> 01:29:35,813
Speaker 3: that'll achieve a lot. At a minimum, it currently takes

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01:29:35,853 --> 01:29:39,093
Speaker 3: six years to study with a further two years of

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01:29:39,213 --> 01:29:43,493
Speaker 3: on the job supervision to be an endorsed psychologist in Australia.

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01:29:44,093 --> 01:29:47,613
Speaker 3: For many who pursue PhD study, like myself, it can

1376
01:29:47,693 --> 01:29:50,813
Speaker 3: take ten plus years of training. Now they're looking at

1377
01:29:50,853 --> 01:29:54,253
Speaker 3: four straight years out of school. I'm not sure about you,

1378
01:29:54,613 --> 01:29:56,133
Speaker 3: but the thought of sitting in front of a twenty

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01:29:56,173 --> 01:30:00,173
Speaker 3: two year old psychologist does not instill much confidence. I

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01:30:00,293 --> 01:30:04,173
Speaker 3: guess I shouldn't be surprised given the age of mediocrity

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01:30:04,413 --> 01:30:07,653
Speaker 3: in which we live, but I am deeply saddened at

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01:30:07,693 --> 01:30:10,533
Speaker 3: what the future hold for a profession. I love not

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01:30:10,693 --> 01:30:13,653
Speaker 3: to mention my concern for what that landscape of actual

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01:30:14,173 --> 01:30:16,933
Speaker 3: severe mental illness will look like in five to ten

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01:30:17,053 --> 01:30:21,253
Speaker 3: years time. And on that cheery note, I will leave

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01:30:21,293 --> 01:30:24,573
Speaker 3: it here for today. Thank you again for a great show,

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01:30:24,653 --> 01:30:27,253
Speaker 3: and wishing all the best yourself and missus producer kind

1388
01:30:27,333 --> 01:30:31,933
Speaker 3: regards Olivia. That wasn't that interesting? It really was Thanking again, Olivia.

1389
01:30:32,653 --> 01:30:35,733
Speaker 3: I hope and expect to hear from you again.

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01:30:36,373 --> 01:30:36,973
Speaker 2: Know you out.

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01:30:38,053 --> 01:30:41,373
Speaker 5: No I can furnish you with another one going to

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01:30:41,413 --> 01:30:43,373
Speaker 5: get from Robert hang on.

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01:30:43,413 --> 01:30:45,213
Speaker 3: I'm going to do the best one at last, right,

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01:30:45,493 --> 01:30:48,453
Speaker 3: But that's from my perspective after what I just read

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01:30:48,533 --> 01:30:50,013
Speaker 3: that it might be a competition.

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01:30:50,133 --> 01:30:52,893
Speaker 5: Okay, Robin says, greetings and good wishes, and join your

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01:30:52,973 --> 01:30:56,213
Speaker 5: podcast as excellent as they ever were. I have been

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01:30:56,333 --> 01:31:00,013
Speaker 5: hunting unsuccessfully for a podcast on education that you had

1399
01:31:00,053 --> 01:31:03,453
Speaker 5: with an educator, a woman whose name escapes me, and

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01:31:03,693 --> 01:31:07,893
Speaker 5: it was excellent. Detailed failure of our system is one

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01:31:07,933 --> 01:31:12,093
Speaker 5: of your other guests, did Owen Pool, I think, says Robin.

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01:31:12,893 --> 01:31:15,973
Speaker 5: I am in discussion with some who disregard the OECD

1403
01:31:16,213 --> 01:31:20,173
Speaker 5: ratings on how our literacy and numerousy skills have slipped.

1404
01:31:20,733 --> 01:31:23,773
Speaker 5: They dismiss out of hand the measures they use to

1405
01:31:23,853 --> 01:31:28,173
Speaker 5: create the ratings. Regardless, we know standards have slipped since

1406
01:31:28,213 --> 01:31:30,613
Speaker 5: the late seventies and early eighties. I just want to

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01:31:30,653 --> 01:31:34,093
Speaker 5: reacquaint myself with some data from some New Zealand educators.

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01:31:34,813 --> 01:31:38,613
Speaker 5: Can you please send me the relevant podcasts on education,

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01:31:38,893 --> 01:31:42,173
Speaker 5: especially the woman whose name escapes me I know, says

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01:31:42,253 --> 01:31:45,373
Speaker 5: Robin that that is a tall order. H yeah, and

1411
01:31:45,533 --> 01:31:46,893
Speaker 5: it's a tall order for you too late.

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01:31:46,973 --> 01:31:49,093
Speaker 3: And isn't it Manisha Granula?

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01:31:49,293 --> 01:31:49,453
Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:31:50,333 --> 01:31:53,533
Speaker 3: I didn't expect that. Manisha Granula. We did her last

1415
01:31:53,613 --> 01:31:57,253
Speaker 3: year in I think it was May in podcast two

1416
01:31:57,333 --> 01:31:57,813
Speaker 3: forty one.

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01:31:58,613 --> 01:31:58,893
Speaker 4: There you go.

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01:31:59,533 --> 01:32:00,253
Speaker 2: What can I say?

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01:32:01,093 --> 01:32:07,653
Speaker 3: Sorry now finally and you can judge which look, this

1420
01:32:07,973 --> 01:32:10,693
Speaker 3: is a different sort of approach, but it's a great

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01:32:10,773 --> 01:32:13,893
Speaker 3: letter for me anyway. Comes from Paul. I was in

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01:32:14,053 --> 01:32:17,773
Speaker 3: our local small supermarket to day and why Malkou When

1423
01:32:17,813 --> 01:32:21,253
Speaker 3: the lady ahead of me paid with cash, I said,

1424
01:32:21,293 --> 01:32:23,733
Speaker 3: it's nice to see some real money for a change,

1425
01:32:23,773 --> 01:32:25,773
Speaker 3: and the lady peeled off two hundred and fifty plus

1426
01:32:25,893 --> 01:32:29,693
Speaker 3: dollars cash to pay for her groceries, suffice to say,

1427
01:32:29,733 --> 01:32:31,293
Speaker 3: you don't get much for your money in this day

1428
01:32:31,293 --> 01:32:34,933
Speaker 3: and age. Thereafter, the cashier told me, oh, half the

1429
01:32:34,973 --> 01:32:38,133
Speaker 3: people pay with cash, which caught me off guard. Gives

1430
01:32:38,173 --> 01:32:40,373
Speaker 3: me a lot of hope with the whole c b

1431
01:32:40,613 --> 01:32:45,333
Speaker 3: DC's concept being pushed. I was quite taken aback, surprised,

1432
01:32:45,733 --> 01:32:49,893
Speaker 3: and maybe she had it a wee bit wrong. The

1433
01:32:49,973 --> 01:32:54,013
Speaker 3: percentages perhaps a little skewed, but it felt very encouraging

1434
01:32:54,093 --> 01:32:55,893
Speaker 3: to know a lot of people out there are walking

1435
01:32:55,973 --> 01:32:59,213
Speaker 3: around with cash in their pockets. Quite remarkable. It takes

1436
01:32:59,253 --> 01:33:01,533
Speaker 3: me back to a time when the narrative suggested a

1437
01:33:01,693 --> 01:33:07,253
Speaker 3: very small, fringe extreme group didn't support the mandates, the lockdowns,

1438
01:33:07,293 --> 01:33:10,493
Speaker 3: et cetera, when at the time I suspected it was

1439
01:33:10,533 --> 01:33:13,573
Speaker 3: a much larger group than what was being reported. Again,

1440
01:33:13,813 --> 01:33:15,973
Speaker 3: I feel like there are a lot more of us

1441
01:33:16,053 --> 01:33:18,893
Speaker 3: awake than it appears. And I'm complete and I completely

1442
01:33:19,013 --> 01:33:23,733
Speaker 3: understand some hesitant response from people who are only slowly

1443
01:33:23,893 --> 01:33:27,493
Speaker 3: coming to terms with how screwed up our world really is.

1444
01:33:27,933 --> 01:33:30,973
Speaker 3: Thank you again so much for everything you both do. No, no,

1445
01:33:31,253 --> 01:33:36,173
Speaker 3: thank you, he's replaying what he's doing. I'm still not

1446
01:33:36,293 --> 01:33:39,053
Speaker 3: sure how you get Away with It, possibly the only

1447
01:33:39,213 --> 01:33:42,573
Speaker 3: truth podcast in New Zealand full stop, and it is

1448
01:33:42,693 --> 01:33:48,053
Speaker 3: still being run by a so called mainstream organization. How

1449
01:33:48,093 --> 01:33:51,453
Speaker 3: do you get away with it? Oh? May you continue?

1450
01:33:51,573 --> 01:33:54,093
Speaker 3: And as I sip my chiraz, one can only assume

1451
01:33:54,453 --> 01:33:57,573
Speaker 3: that somewhere up in the organization there are a couple

1452
01:33:57,693 --> 01:34:05,173
Speaker 3: of hopefully more level headed individuals. Paul, thank you. And

1453
01:34:05,813 --> 01:34:08,053
Speaker 3: I have noticed that there appears to be more people

1454
01:34:08,053 --> 01:34:11,453
Speaker 3: who are who making sure they've got cash in their pocket, wallet,

1455
01:34:12,493 --> 01:34:15,093
Speaker 3: on their Wise card or whatever. No Wise cards not

1456
01:34:15,133 --> 01:34:18,213
Speaker 3: a cash thing, is it? But we took wise cards

1457
01:34:18,253 --> 01:34:20,933
Speaker 3: away to Europe for the first time. I think this

1458
01:34:21,893 --> 01:34:24,973
Speaker 3: last year. No it wasn't. That was previous time, years ago.

1459
01:34:25,613 --> 01:34:27,813
Speaker 5: No, I've done it three times.

1460
01:34:28,533 --> 01:34:31,413
Speaker 3: Well, only got convinced to do it. I think last

1461
01:34:31,493 --> 01:34:34,853
Speaker 3: year maybe it was last year actually, but this year

1462
01:34:34,933 --> 01:34:38,693
Speaker 3: was the first year I fully utilized it. And there

1463
01:34:38,733 --> 01:34:40,893
Speaker 3: we have it. See you next week you will later.

1464
01:34:41,053 --> 01:35:00,133
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you now, if you would like to correspond,

1465
01:35:00,293 --> 01:35:02,893
Speaker 3: we would love to hear from you. Don't forget the address.

1466
01:35:03,133 --> 01:35:05,453
Speaker 3: Latent at Newstalks at me dot co dot and said,

1467
01:35:05,533 --> 01:35:09,773
Speaker 3: and Carolyn C. A O l y n at NEWSTALKZB

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01:35:09,893 --> 01:35:13,533
Speaker 3: dot co dot NZ. As I say, on the odd occasion,

1469
01:35:13,573 --> 01:35:17,173
Speaker 3: send the compliments to me please, and the complaints to her.

1470
01:35:17,773 --> 01:35:20,093
Speaker 3: And there is plenty you can write on. It doesn't

1471
01:35:20,133 --> 01:35:22,373
Speaker 3: have to be on whatever it is that we're talking

1472
01:35:22,373 --> 01:35:25,053
Speaker 3: about week in week out. You can write on whatever

1473
01:35:25,133 --> 01:35:27,453
Speaker 3: you want. Then if it's if it's good enough, it'll

1474
01:35:27,493 --> 01:35:31,453
Speaker 3: get it'll get utilized, and on most of it is,

1475
01:35:32,093 --> 01:35:35,573
Speaker 3: and we might even follow up on something. The other

1476
01:35:35,653 --> 01:35:39,253
Speaker 3: thing to mention is that the video that I was

1477
01:35:39,333 --> 01:35:42,493
Speaker 3: talking about that I watched on the morning of the

1478
01:35:42,693 --> 01:35:48,013
Speaker 3: interview was dark Horse, and I reckon it's it's worthy

1479
01:35:48,053 --> 01:35:52,173
Speaker 3: of investing a little time you can. You can hide

1480
01:35:52,173 --> 01:35:54,533
Speaker 3: it very easily, take a look at it, and that

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01:35:54,613 --> 01:35:57,213
Speaker 3: will take us out for podcast number three hundred and eight.

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01:35:57,653 --> 01:36:00,373
Speaker 3: We shall return, of course, with three hundred and nine.

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01:36:00,773 --> 01:36:04,493
Speaker 3: Until then, thank you for listening and we'll talk soon.

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01:36:12,413 --> 01:36:16,013
Speaker 1: Thank you for more from Used Talks at b Listen

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01:36:16,133 --> 01:36:19,013
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