1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unique Homes, 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Uniquely for you. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: I'm the huddles me this evening Mark Sainsbury broadcast the 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 2: Stuart Nash, Robert Walter's former Labor Party minister. Hell are 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: you too good? 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 3: A well, I'm an AI version of myself of course, 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 3: a better version or a worse version. Well, sure, it 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 3: always has. 9 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: Been some more sober. Actually you're sober nowadays, aren't you saying? 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: Zo? 11 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: What's that You're completely sober nowadays? 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: Or when I'm on the raided? No, no, no, I 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 3: did cut back some. I dropped a bit. It was 14 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 3: on blood pressure meds and stuff and running men's health weeak. 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 4: It was a great look. 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 3: Yeah so yeah, so that was the big thing. And 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 3: doctor said the biggest thing and I'm off those off 18 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: the meads. But they said the biggest change was just 19 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: cutting back on the grove. 20 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I still like a drink, oh who doesn't. 21 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: But instead you know, but it'd be a couple of 22 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: days a week maybe, yeah, yep, yep. 23 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: And this is why you've You've got the body of 24 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: a twenty year old now saying so on the street 25 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: looks great now Stu, how do you feel about your 26 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: boy Trevor coming back from Ireland. 27 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 4: Well, look, I agree with Winston on this one. You 28 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 4: got these politicians that are incredibly experienced and built a 29 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 4: career around diplomacy, how to how to deal with different governments, ministers, politicians, 30 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, and it must be slightly disempowering 31 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: when when some politician, like especially like Trevor, ends up 32 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 4: with a plump position like this. I mean, Winston's right 33 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: give the ambassadorial positions to the men and women who 34 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 4: are experts at their trade because it's so important for 35 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: a country like New Zealand. 36 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and so I mean I can't think of 37 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: an example, a better example of these jobs being treated 38 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: as a sinecure than Trevor Mallard because he had none 39 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: of the skills required to be a diplomat and he'd 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: embarrassed himself hugely before he went. 41 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: Over, Which is why the strangest thing about all of 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: this is why Winston didn't replace them straight away. I 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: think the presidents are just theory. Trevor's partner, Jane Clifton, 44 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: and amazing woman Winston really likes. Jane has always had 45 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: a really soft spot for you know, pop Away. Of course, 46 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: I think the actually only explanation I can think as 47 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 3: to why, because I was expecting, basically the day after 48 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 3: the election, that is going to be the best thing. 49 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 3: You know, we'll get the right I think. 50 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: I think for the sake of Jane Clifton Winston has 51 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 2: I think you might be onto something. I think he 52 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: has left Trevor there so as not to disrupt her life, 53 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: and he's been roped over the kind sight of him. 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. But the other thing also, you know these roomors 55 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: going around that Winter is going to stand down and 56 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 4: become the ambassador in the United States of America. Nothing 57 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 4: could be further from the truth. And that Winston themselves 58 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: is you know, why would I want to report to 59 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 4: someone like me? So you know you can spell those 60 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 4: roomens now. 61 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: No, but hold on, ste Wasn't it the case that 62 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 2: he was going to stand down so that you could 63 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: take his job? 64 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 4: Well, that's it. No, No, the next lead Firsus Shane Jones, 65 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 4: I'm unequivalent about that. That is that guy he filled 66 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: a hall of four hundred people in Upper Hut Now 67 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: that that's core labor territory and they are going. You 68 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 4: know what we're after a man who speaks common sense, 69 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: pragmatic policies and as a politician that represents all of 70 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 4: the results. And it's flucking to New zeal first. Just fair? 71 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: Does that mean you're putting your hand up for the 72 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: mbase of his job? Well? 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: What is the job that you do at New Zealand first? 74 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,559 Speaker 2: And are you the deputy leader? Are't you? 75 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: No? No, no, I'm just a good hard work and 76 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: key with it. Houston politics that the politics of pragmatism 77 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 4: and then the part that resonates at the moment and 78 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: you get agree, Mark, it's kind of New Zealand first. 79 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: I mean, you know you've got James and going around 80 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: talking about you know, jobs over snails most most New 81 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 4: Zealanders are you right? Makes sense to me. And then 82 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 4: you've got you got. 83 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: Well, oh you can't hear it? Stupid your phone's cutting out. 84 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: I think that's that's Winston calling you to say thank 85 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: you for all the comments you make and we'll take 86 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: a break and come back and we're going to shut 87 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: them up at New Zealand first. We're on a ban 88 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: after this. 89 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty The ones 90 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: fun last results. 91 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: Back with the huddle, Mark Sainsbury and Stewart Nash says, so, 92 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: so are you starting to feel after what you saw 93 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: in the White House overnight, like maybe there's a chance 94 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: for peace in Ukraine? 95 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: Or no? 96 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: Oh? 97 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: Look, you know, I'd sort of wean myself off off 98 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: Trumps because every day there's another issue, but this one, 99 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: and I watched all those stuff from it, and you 100 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,239 Speaker 3: just hope that something is going to happen. Your problem 101 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: is you still got this major I mean, how are 102 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: they going to do a deal, as Donald says, for 103 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 3: the Ukraine to give up land. It's just not penible, 104 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: look at it. 105 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 2: So they have to give up land, They just have to. 106 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: Well it depends how much they give up. They give 107 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: up what they've taken Russia once more and the other 108 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: thing this comes back to, and this is pre seceily 109 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: European leaders get involved. This is a disgrace. Since when 110 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: did we countenance one country invading another? Well, I've seen 111 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: that's happening. 112 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I agree with you, But do we 113 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: live in an idealistic world or do we live in 114 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: reality where unfortunately he's taken it, and what else can 115 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: you do to end the situation? 116 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 4: What else can you do? 117 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: Well, you put what they should do is they should 118 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: put the sanctions back on Russia. That's the only thing 119 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: that prudent responds to you. 120 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, what do you say? 121 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: Look the least the language. What was interesting in that 122 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: fact that meeting in Alaska, when you'd think he'd be 123 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: so desperate to announce a deal when he when he said, look, 124 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: I'm going to confer with the Ukrainian president, I'm going 125 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 3: to fer the European leaders. And I think even the 126 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: commentators in the States were stunned, were expecting Trump to 127 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 3: do some years, to be some stunt, And I thought, oh, 128 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: this sounds like a reasonable, considered person. So that's just 129 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: fingers crossed. I'm feeling a little bit more confident. 130 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 4: Look, it's it's a very very dangerous precedent when you 131 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 4: got the President of the United States of America saying 132 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: to bad did you let him keep some land, don't 133 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 4: join NATO, and everything will be okay. I mean goodness me, 134 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: the last time we had appeasement like this, what was it, 135 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 4: Nevil Chamberlain? Peace in our time? It doesn't work out. Well, 136 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,039 Speaker 4: I'm with you here. The when did we count it 137 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: one country being okay for one country to invade another. 138 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: No good, you're saying. 139 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: So I'm saying we have to do this, st you, 140 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: because there is no other way. Look, it seems to 141 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: me you've got two options here, right. You either give 142 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: Ukraine everything it needs to fight this wall properly, give 143 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: them the boots on the ground, give them all the weapons, 144 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: give them the fighter jets, get them everything just like 145 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 2: load them up to the gunnals and let them fight hard. 146 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: Or you settle and you give the guy the landing. 147 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 4: You you've got two crazy guys. You've got Putin, who 148 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 4: you know, it's not out of the realms of possibility. 149 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: He'll use some form of technical nuclear weapon if it 150 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: gets really, really duty like that. Yeah, you are right. 151 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, do we go for compromise, but 152 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: compromise So whatever you do, it's it's a very bad person. 153 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 4: You compromise. Putin's one because he's got crimea Zelenski will 154 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 4: never join NATO and he's won. Or you give them 155 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 4: everything needed to go hard. I just think that that 156 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 4: the sight of Donald Trump praise Vladimir Putin was I 157 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 4: just didn't think it's crazicallyy. 158 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: Russia's got a smaller economy than Spain. You know, it's 159 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: not like the sort of massive sort of juggernall. I mean, 160 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: what they managed to get away with is just just 161 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: someone needs to call into account. It's all very well 162 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: for us sitting here in the safety of New Zealand 163 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: of course to say this, but yeah, I just think, 164 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: and I've always been frustrated here that the fact that 165 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,239 Speaker 3: you know, if America was vacillating, then the Europeans needed 166 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: to have stepped up. 167 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: Ye you know, yep, now the Europeans frust frustrate me, 168 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: no end, okay, saying so actually, I'll start with you 169 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: on this. I'm going to give you a bit of 170 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: an easy go here, stude. Do you know what a 171 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: trad wife is? 172 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: Well, that's no, no, I don't think there's such a thing. 173 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 4: I mean I didn't until I looked it up. There's 174 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 4: no such thing. It's talks about a traditional wife who cooks, 175 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: cleans and does everything else that a traditional wife once 176 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 4: said two generations ago. Well do they exist? 177 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Do you want me to come over there and country 178 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: right now? 179 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's a genuine question we're talking about. 180 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: We do that, but then we do our day jobs 181 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: as well. 182 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: No, look, I celebrate my wife. She goes out there, 183 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 4: she works full times, she looks after the kids. She 184 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: does a bloody brilliant job, and I think she'd be 185 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: brought out of her mind off. All she did was cook, 186 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: clean and put and post on social media, which apparently 187 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 4: is what tradwives do. 188 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: I no, yeah, they do exist. I saw a couple 189 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: of them on Ponsonby Road today. Okay, so. 190 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: A tred tread wafers. But it's the subservient thing. You 191 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: watch some of these YouTube thats they do and it's 192 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: sort of you know, oh my god, you know, I think, is. 193 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 4: This how Barry lives? 194 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 3: He's just living the dream, you know, totally looks the 195 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: treade wise thing. It's it's very very us and it 196 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 3: seems very very religious as well. 197 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: I don't think it is. No, what it is is 198 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: just absolute unbelievable laziness. You just you just marry yourself 199 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: a really rich guy and then stay at home pretending 200 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: you're baking the sourdaugh but actually you just buy it 201 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: and do you know, saying so what skibbity is now? 202 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: I did not until I looked at that. 203 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: Go on there, what's that? 204 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 3: It's become a sort of a term of what It 205 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: can be a variety of things, but it's almost like 206 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: a joke. It's something silly. 207 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that's not a really good definition. Thank you 208 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: very much, guys. I appreciate your attempts at it anyway. 209 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: Mark Sainsbury broadcast the Stewart Nash Robert Walters also a 210 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: former Labor Party minister. A trad wipe these by the way, 211 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: if you're like, well they're talking about these are the 212 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: words that have been added to the Cambridge Dictionary this year. 213 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 2: A tradwife is obviously somebody who's playing a traditional wife's role. 214 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: You know, you do all the home stuff and just 215 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: lounge about a house lounged about because once you've done 216 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: all the chores, there's nothing else to do. Obviously. Skibbitity 217 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 2: is defined as a word that can have different meanings, 218 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: such as cool or bad, like oh, look, those genes 219 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: are real skibbity, or you can just use it in 220 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: a random way like what the skibbity are you doing? 221 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? 222 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: I know it's kid's trying to be cool. De Lulu 223 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: that's my favorite of the words that have been added, 224 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: which is basically a play on the world word delusional. 225 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: So if you think that tradwives are doing nothing during 226 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: the day, you'll do Lulu for more. 227 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: From Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. 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