1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:14,827 Speaker 1: from News Talks B James MACONI, how are. 3 00:00:14,747 --> 00:00:17,827 Speaker 2: You, Pony? Yeah, man, you I'm following that fan who 4 00:00:17,867 --> 00:00:20,707 Speaker 2: needs Manchester United to win five games in a row 5 00:00:20,747 --> 00:00:23,187 Speaker 2: before he cuts his hair in a few years. 6 00:00:23,427 --> 00:00:26,947 Speaker 3: I've seen him very big here, You're very big here. Hey, 7 00:00:27,387 --> 00:00:29,147 Speaker 3: there's been a bit of chat in the last few 8 00:00:29,187 --> 00:00:32,107 Speaker 3: days about the departure of Scott robertson. 9 00:00:32,427 --> 00:00:34,507 Speaker 2: What is Scott Robinson? 10 00:00:34,587 --> 00:00:38,427 Speaker 3: Well, exactly, yeah, yeah, Look, I'm sure you'll catch up 11 00:00:38,427 --> 00:00:41,387 Speaker 3: on it. I'm sure you'll catch up. Hey, what what 12 00:00:41,867 --> 00:00:44,107 Speaker 3: I mean? I'm not going to ask you to dissect 13 00:00:44,187 --> 00:00:47,707 Speaker 3: the entire thing, but any front of mine thoughts on 14 00:00:47,707 --> 00:00:49,427 Speaker 3: this whole thing with a benefit of sort of seventy 15 00:00:49,467 --> 00:00:50,987 Speaker 3: two hours or so hindsight. 16 00:00:52,147 --> 00:00:54,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's there's two sides to this. One is 17 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:58,427 Speaker 2: that I think Razor is really still an elite coach 18 00:00:58,467 --> 00:01:01,827 Speaker 2: and wherever he goes he will win games. But I 19 00:01:01,907 --> 00:01:05,187 Speaker 2: just think that the fit was wrong, and that's no 20 00:01:05,307 --> 00:01:09,067 Speaker 2: fault of Razors. He probably came in thinking, you know, 21 00:01:09,107 --> 00:01:12,227 Speaker 2: that he assembled the best team he could in terms 22 00:01:12,227 --> 00:01:15,827 Speaker 2: of a coaching lineup, but it wasn't exactly stellar, and 23 00:01:15,867 --> 00:01:18,947 Speaker 2: so that was where I think he probably you know, 24 00:01:19,027 --> 00:01:22,267 Speaker 2: like he was trying to align with Tony Brown years ago, 25 00:01:22,387 --> 00:01:24,987 Speaker 2: but it was tough because Tony Brown was loyal to 26 00:01:25,107 --> 00:01:27,627 Speaker 2: Jamie Joseph. I think if you had that ticket, it 27 00:01:27,707 --> 00:01:32,187 Speaker 2: might have worked. But there's a few things that I 28 00:01:32,227 --> 00:01:34,707 Speaker 2: think part of the way he was appointed is a 29 00:01:34,747 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 2: problem for me. In the middle of that World Cup year, 30 00:01:37,587 --> 00:01:40,307 Speaker 2: while Fozzy was still in charge of the team, I 31 00:01:40,307 --> 00:01:43,187 Speaker 2: think that rubbed people up the wrong way, including the players. 32 00:01:43,507 --> 00:01:46,947 Speaker 2: So when Razor took over, he probably underestimated how hard 33 00:01:46,987 --> 00:01:50,787 Speaker 2: it would be to win their respect and approval after 34 00:01:50,867 --> 00:01:55,107 Speaker 2: that happened. And yes he lost the dressing room, but 35 00:01:55,547 --> 00:01:58,707 Speaker 2: perhaps he never had it. You know. This is the issue, 36 00:01:58,827 --> 00:02:02,267 Speaker 2: is that getting on being the new coach after so 37 00:02:02,347 --> 00:02:04,707 Speaker 2: many of those players were very loyal to Fozzy. There 38 00:02:04,707 --> 00:02:08,747 Speaker 2: was even a documentary made about it, Loyalty on JR. Plus. 39 00:02:09,227 --> 00:02:12,227 Speaker 2: And when Fozzy was on the verge of losing his 40 00:02:12,347 --> 00:02:16,467 Speaker 2: job in twenty twenty two in Joe Burg, the players 41 00:02:16,547 --> 00:02:19,627 Speaker 2: rallied around him, you know, and that that loyalty I 42 00:02:19,667 --> 00:02:22,507 Speaker 2: think was part of a big factor. 43 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:26,507 Speaker 3: I totally agree with that. Yeah, I totally agree. So 44 00:02:27,627 --> 00:02:30,547 Speaker 3: what next for Scott Robertson? Where do you expect him 45 00:02:30,547 --> 00:02:34,347 Speaker 3: to turn up? And are you on the Jamie Joseph 46 00:02:35,147 --> 00:02:37,587 Speaker 3: hype train as the next All Blacks head coach? 47 00:02:39,147 --> 00:02:41,907 Speaker 2: Yeah? I really like Jamie Joseph. And it sounds like 48 00:02:41,947 --> 00:02:43,547 Speaker 2: they're not going to get Tony Brown out of South 49 00:02:43,547 --> 00:02:48,467 Speaker 2: Africa if you believe Russy Erasmus's social media where he's 50 00:02:48,587 --> 00:02:53,547 Speaker 2: used the scene from Wolf of Wall Street with Leonardo 51 00:02:53,547 --> 00:03:00,427 Speaker 2: Dicatgre saying I'm not effing leaving and that's he's used 52 00:03:00,427 --> 00:03:03,187 Speaker 2: an AI version of Tony Brown saying that, So they 53 00:03:03,227 --> 00:03:06,787 Speaker 2: seem confident of keeping him. But look, I think Jamie Joseph, 54 00:03:06,787 --> 00:03:08,627 Speaker 2: what's going to happen is really it's going to be. 55 00:03:09,627 --> 00:03:12,387 Speaker 2: It could be a stellar cast with Dave Rennie, maybe 56 00:03:12,387 --> 00:03:14,867 Speaker 2: even Joe Schmidt and there you know, this is like 57 00:03:14,987 --> 00:03:17,667 Speaker 2: felt to me like the Traveling Wilbury's. Remember that band 58 00:03:17,707 --> 00:03:22,667 Speaker 2: where yes, Harrison, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty. 59 00:03:22,987 --> 00:03:25,787 Speaker 3: Roy Albison, Yeah, roy Aalbison. Yep, there was there was 60 00:03:25,827 --> 00:03:27,987 Speaker 3: a cast of it was it was like a Hall 61 00:03:28,067 --> 00:03:29,427 Speaker 3: of Fame band, wasn't it. 62 00:03:29,987 --> 00:03:33,267 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I feel that's what might happen now it's like, hey, 63 00:03:33,467 --> 00:03:36,587 Speaker 2: whatever we do, let's make sure that everybody is absolutely 64 00:03:36,627 --> 00:03:39,827 Speaker 2: elite in somebody who has got the respect of the players, 65 00:03:39,867 --> 00:03:42,947 Speaker 2: because you need that the dressing room. Unfortunately, whether you 66 00:03:43,107 --> 00:03:45,867 Speaker 2: like it or not, player power is real. It's happened, 67 00:03:46,347 --> 00:03:50,067 Speaker 2: and and the buy in. Like Raiser, he's got his 68 00:03:50,147 --> 00:03:53,827 Speaker 2: own ways, you know, the themes, the storylines. I think 69 00:03:53,867 --> 00:03:56,267 Speaker 2: for the Grand Slam Tour it was take the Kingdom. 70 00:03:56,747 --> 00:03:59,307 Speaker 2: You know, some players don't really relate to that, so 71 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:03,067 Speaker 2: they need to probably get on their page, the players page, 72 00:04:03,507 --> 00:04:06,947 Speaker 2: what make what resonates with them. And as for Ray, well, 73 00:04:07,027 --> 00:04:10,547 Speaker 2: he could go anywhere. Has been linked to Harlequins. He's 74 00:04:10,587 --> 00:04:14,507 Speaker 2: actually been linked to Newcastle where Hoskin Sotutu is when 75 00:04:14,587 --> 00:04:19,307 Speaker 2: he's probably gone there to escape Raiser. That would be 76 00:04:20,347 --> 00:04:23,507 Speaker 2: if you're making a Netflix documentary or a drama, that 77 00:04:23,547 --> 00:04:25,787 Speaker 2: would be the perfect place for him to turn up. 78 00:04:26,227 --> 00:04:30,867 Speaker 2: And then they win it together. But then I think, look, 79 00:04:31,387 --> 00:04:35,547 Speaker 2: any nation that has that has had coaching or winning 80 00:04:35,587 --> 00:04:38,227 Speaker 2: problems will be looking at Razor and they won't think 81 00:04:38,267 --> 00:04:41,747 Speaker 2: that he's that he's been tainted by this at all. 82 00:04:42,067 --> 00:04:44,747 Speaker 2: That they'll still see the value in him. 83 00:04:45,107 --> 00:04:48,107 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Hey, I don't normally follow the Big Bash, but 84 00:04:48,147 --> 00:04:50,427 Speaker 3: I do follow the kiwis in the Big Bash, and 85 00:04:50,547 --> 00:04:54,027 Speaker 3: Finn Allen is on absolute fire at the moment. For 86 00:04:54,067 --> 00:04:56,907 Speaker 3: the Perth Scorches, they finished top of the round robin, 87 00:04:56,987 --> 00:04:59,147 Speaker 3: so they'll host the I guess they call it the 88 00:04:59,987 --> 00:05:01,987 Speaker 3: qualifying final, whatever it is. They winn to go straight 89 00:05:02,027 --> 00:05:04,867 Speaker 3: to the final. He's got three hundred and eighty one runs, 90 00:05:05,107 --> 00:05:08,947 Speaker 3: striking at one hundred and nine. He's at thirty three sixers, 91 00:05:08,987 --> 00:05:11,107 Speaker 3: way more than anybody else. He got one hundred the 92 00:05:11,147 --> 00:05:13,427 Speaker 3: other day. This has to be good news heading into 93 00:05:13,427 --> 00:05:14,547 Speaker 3: the T twenty World Cup. 94 00:05:15,387 --> 00:05:18,187 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perfect for New Zealand, but it's also great 95 00:05:17,867 --> 00:05:22,867 Speaker 2: for the Big Bash and Ossie's. They just love, you know, Finaleen. 96 00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:25,347 Speaker 2: You listen to the commentators and he had a rough 97 00:05:25,347 --> 00:05:28,347 Speaker 2: trot there. But the commentators, Ossie commentators, I really like 98 00:05:28,387 --> 00:05:31,547 Speaker 2: this about them. They appreciate that every batter can get 99 00:05:31,587 --> 00:05:34,147 Speaker 2: out for a low score or have a rough trot, 100 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:37,747 Speaker 2: but not every batter can do what he does, and 101 00:05:37,787 --> 00:05:42,347 Speaker 2: that's where they admire and appreciate fin Aalen. The ton 102 00:05:42,427 --> 00:05:46,667 Speaker 2: off forty fifty one balls, then sixty nine off thirty 103 00:05:46,707 --> 00:05:51,707 Speaker 2: nine balls, fifteen sixes in two innings is crazy. But 104 00:05:51,827 --> 00:05:54,427 Speaker 2: what it shows to me is that the Aussies they 105 00:05:54,507 --> 00:05:58,307 Speaker 2: do love to latch on to Kiwi's if they produce 106 00:05:58,387 --> 00:06:01,827 Speaker 2: the goods. And remember Benji Marshall for the Tigers and 107 00:06:02,467 --> 00:06:05,587 Speaker 2: picked Benji around two thousand and four two thousand and five. 108 00:06:06,827 --> 00:06:09,187 Speaker 2: The Aussies couldn't get enough of them. Ray Warren is 109 00:06:09,227 --> 00:06:12,707 Speaker 2: saying he's the best player in the game and because 110 00:06:12,747 --> 00:06:14,947 Speaker 2: he was advancing the game and improving things, he was 111 00:06:14,987 --> 00:06:17,827 Speaker 2: making their life better. So that's why I actually don't 112 00:06:17,867 --> 00:06:20,747 Speaker 2: mind the way the Australians do that where you know 113 00:06:20,787 --> 00:06:24,067 Speaker 2: when they claim far lap and pablover and split ends 114 00:06:24,067 --> 00:06:27,187 Speaker 2: in John Clark, it's because all those things of those 115 00:06:27,227 --> 00:06:31,227 Speaker 2: people and horses and desserts have made their life better, 116 00:06:31,747 --> 00:06:34,227 Speaker 2: So I don't blame them. The only thing I blame 117 00:06:34,307 --> 00:06:38,027 Speaker 2: Australia for is the NRL bunker that's been shocking for ages. 118 00:06:39,147 --> 00:06:42,547 Speaker 3: Yes, all right, James, Well look great to chat to 119 00:06:42,587 --> 00:06:46,787 Speaker 3: you as always, Thanks for joining us. I think I 120 00:06:46,827 --> 00:06:48,867 Speaker 3: think we've reached the end. There anything else you want 121 00:06:48,867 --> 00:06:50,587 Speaker 3: to add in the thirty seconds you have left? 122 00:06:51,107 --> 00:06:54,067 Speaker 2: Oh, I've got thirty seconds have Well, that's lovely to know. No, Look, 123 00:06:54,307 --> 00:06:57,387 Speaker 2: I was just looking at the way that that competition 124 00:06:57,467 --> 00:06:59,947 Speaker 2: has been going. The Big Bash really is something special. 125 00:06:59,987 --> 00:07:01,507 Speaker 2: I still hope that we get a team in the 126 00:07:01,507 --> 00:07:05,907 Speaker 2: Big Bash, and I hope that they improve the Super 127 00:07:05,907 --> 00:07:08,467 Speaker 2: Smash as well. But if you watched the Black Clash 128 00:07:08,587 --> 00:07:13,707 Speaker 2: Clash last night, that is pure entertainment. Quite a few streakers, 129 00:07:13,747 --> 00:07:17,067 Speaker 2: I mean, there is some issues there that made that 130 00:07:17,307 --> 00:07:20,587 Speaker 2: made they're not proper streakers. You know, they're not pure streakers. 131 00:07:21,067 --> 00:07:24,947 Speaker 2: There was clothing on them. But it does kept to 132 00:07:25,027 --> 00:07:28,387 Speaker 2: the imagination. And who knew that William Wade or could 133 00:07:28,467 --> 00:07:31,587 Speaker 2: combat as well as dance exactly right. 134 00:07:31,787 --> 00:07:36,907 Speaker 3: And if you haven't seen lou Vincent's catch, google that cracker. 135 00:07:37,027 --> 00:07:40,067 Speaker 3: Thanks James. Always good to chat mate. James mcconey huge 136 00:07:40,067 --> 00:07:41,107 Speaker 3: part of our Sundays. 137 00:07:41,587 --> 00:07:44,747 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 138 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:48,147 Speaker 1: to News Talk z B weekends from midday or follow 139 00:07:48,187 --> 00:07:49,827 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.