1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,040
Speaker 1: A member of the Israeli government, has hit back at

2
00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,240
Speaker 1: Chris lux and the Prime Minister after his comments on

3
00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,240
Speaker 1: the war in Gaza yesterday. I think lettin Yahoo has

4
00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,680
Speaker 1: gone way too far. I think he has lost the plot.

5
00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:11,639
Speaker 2: Now.

6
00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,200
Speaker 1: Israel's Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sharon Haskell, fired back,

7
00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,680
Speaker 1: claiming New Zealand's biggest threat to life with possums and

8
00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,960
Speaker 1: cats and she's with us right now, hash Sharon.

9
00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,680
Speaker 3: I had a good morning, good morning to you.

10
00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,400
Speaker 1: Now, Sharon, You've got a point there. But Chris Luckson

11
00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,200
Speaker 1: also has a point, doesn't he. I mean, you guys

12
00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,200
Speaker 1: have lost the plot with what's going on in Gaza.

13
00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,479
Speaker 3: Wellk First of all, I stand by Prime Minister Inannaw

14
00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,120
Speaker 3: and his actions. Every single thing that he did in

15
00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,280
Speaker 3: the last two years. The sole purpose of it was

16
00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,680
Speaker 3: to defend our people, our country and our children. The

17
00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,400
Speaker 3: reality here is very tough, and the Middle East is

18
00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,160
Speaker 3: a very very tough neighborhood as well, with many changes,

19
00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,800
Speaker 3: and we're facing death called tourist organization she hardest who

20
00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,880
Speaker 3: not just committed the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust,

21
00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,560
Speaker 3: but they continue to reiterate and say over and over

22
00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,200
Speaker 3: again that whenever they'll have the chance, they'll create, and

23
00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,720
Speaker 3: they'll do the massacre, the raping, the burning alive, over

24
00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,000
Speaker 3: and over again. I think it's just natural that any

25
00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,920
Speaker 3: country will try and defend the country. We cannot live

26
00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,120
Speaker 3: beside a Nazi defficult and so look, it's been very

27
00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,760
Speaker 3: difficult to combat them, and obviously the situation is far

28
00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:38,319
Speaker 3: more complex because they hold hostages, and that makes it

29
00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,000
Speaker 3: far more difficult for us.

30
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,240
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, but this is where the plot has

31
00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,880
Speaker 1: been lost. Your defense of Israel and your attempts to

32
00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,640
Speaker 1: get the hostages back have now resulted in children starving

33
00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,520
Speaker 1: to death. That is unacceptable.

34
00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,240
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I dispute the fact that you put

35
00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,760
Speaker 4: the responsibility for the humanitarian crist on Istram.

36
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,560
Speaker 1: You are respon.

37
00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,200
Speaker 3: No, Well, the first.

38
00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,400
Speaker 4: One that is responsible for the humanitarian crisis is a

39
00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:15,240
Speaker 4: terrorist organization from US since the beginning, was given free access,

40
00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,960
Speaker 4: was looting them, was taxing them, was benefiting from it.

41
00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 4: We've been trying to work with the international community for

42
00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,960
Speaker 4: almost two years now begging them to stop using genra

43
00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:34,160
Speaker 4: As has been using this organization as their own in

44
00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,800
Speaker 4: the facilities, the logistics, and so hold on the first

45
00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,720
Speaker 4: responsibility is not to take this as a political case,

46
00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,560
Speaker 4: but as a professional humanitarian case.

47
00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,399
Speaker 3: And if the United Nation would have said.

48
00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,160
Speaker 4: The proper agencies here to the gazen strip that are capable,

49
00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,639
Speaker 4: that haves the logistics, the expertise to deal in crisis,

50
00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,440
Speaker 4: in a humanitarian crisis like the World Food Organization.

51
00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,560
Speaker 3: Newly SEF and World Health Organization, instead.

52
00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,920
Speaker 4: Of just handing it out from us, this would have

53
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,440
Speaker 4: looked very much differently. We have been trying to work

54
00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,520
Speaker 4: and their mission has been failing since day one, and

55
00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,440
Speaker 4: no matter how much we've been trying to work together,

56
00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,800
Speaker 4: Secretary General of UN Goo Terrish, have turned it into

57
00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,960
Speaker 4: a political issue.

58
00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,560
Speaker 1: I understand your frustration. I understand your frustration with the UN,

59
00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,240
Speaker 1: but is an argument about aid which aida organization is

60
00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,120
Speaker 1: handing out aid really worth having when there are children

61
00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,400
Speaker 1: who are dying as a result of a lack of aid.

62
00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,160
Speaker 1: Surely the solution here is simply just let me finish.

63
00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,080
Speaker 1: Because surely the solution here is just to through whichever

64
00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,200
Speaker 1: aid organization just flood the area with aid. That way

65
00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,760
Speaker 1: Hamas loses control of it and the kids get fed.

66
00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,120
Speaker 4: Well, that's the problem that I think you don't really

67
00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,120
Speaker 4: understand because they were handing out to be distributed by

68
00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,960
Speaker 4: a terrorist or organization that threw the control over the

69
00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,160
Speaker 4: food and the shelter. In the medicine, we're controlling the population.

70
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,160
Speaker 4: When we tried to build a second channel, the Americans

71
00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,479
Speaker 4: were putting a new aid organization to funnel more aid

72
00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,240
Speaker 4: because that system was failing. What did Hamas do?

73
00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,520
Speaker 3: They created chaos.

74
00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,599
Speaker 4: They declared that anyone that would go and collect free

75
00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,360
Speaker 4: food directly to Savinia will be called a traitor, and

76
00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,320
Speaker 4: in Gaza, traitors are executed. They put a bounty on

77
00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,159
Speaker 4: the head of the humanitarian workers to create chaos in

78
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,160
Speaker 4: those distributions.

79
00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,760
Speaker 1: Do you understand that? Do you understand the international argument

80
00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,600
Speaker 1: here that if you flood the area with aid, harmasa's

81
00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,120
Speaker 1: control over aid and therefore over the population is loosened

82
00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,760
Speaker 1: and the kids get fed and Harmussas no longer relevant

83
00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,120
Speaker 1: because there's just so much aid.

84
00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,200
Speaker 4: If only if many organizations are the one who are

85
00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,960
Speaker 4: going to distribute it. If you look on the last

86
00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,520
Speaker 4: cease fire when Gazza was fielded with humanitarian aid, you

87
00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,680
Speaker 4: saw that Tramas was pocketing millions of dollars. It was

88
00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,120
Speaker 4: the first time since the seventh of October that Tramas

89
00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,960
Speaker 4: was able to pay one hundred percent of all the

90
00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,240
Speaker 4: salaries of all the terrorists and was the first time

91
00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,760
Speaker 4: it was able to recruit new terrorists to fight and

92
00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,880
Speaker 4: kill israbbies and so that had become tuicidal. You need

93
00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,520
Speaker 4: to understand that the situation is much more complex than

94
00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,560
Speaker 4: the blood eye balls and the propaganda that TRAUMS is spreading,

95
00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,400
Speaker 4: where most of the media is taking almost all the

96
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,200
Speaker 4: information straight from the mouth piece.

97
00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,400
Speaker 3: Of Ramas and is buying into this story. Again, I

98
00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,120
Speaker 3: don't understand this situation is fun.

99
00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,760
Speaker 1: I understand you're saying, Sharon, listen, are you guys in

100
00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:55,560
Speaker 1: the government aware of just how upset the international community

101
00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,720
Speaker 1: is about what they are seeing and how out of

102
00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,640
Speaker 1: step you guys are with the rest of us now?

103
00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 4: I think that many in the international community are very

104
00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,120
Speaker 4: much concentrating on the process.

105
00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,880
Speaker 3: Another result, I think when.

106
00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,000
Speaker 1: A trump of ded children.

107
00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,560
Speaker 4: Well on a contrary because if that was the aim

108
00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,680
Speaker 4: of some of the leadership, then they weren't destroy the

109
00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,479
Speaker 4: delicate negotiation that were going on for almost a month

110
00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,400
Speaker 4: during the times where we were making so many concessions

111
00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,480
Speaker 4: towards commasive demands. When we were negotiating and Israel agreed

112
00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,359
Speaker 4: three times for a ceasefire and commases refused. And while

113
00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:46,400
Speaker 4: we were negotiating, some of these leadership like Macron and others,

114
00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,000
Speaker 4: many claims who who tough in commacids position during the

115
00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,680
Speaker 4: negotiations and completely obliterating any kind of chance for a

116
00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:58,440
Speaker 4: c spare.

117
00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,960
Speaker 2: So, if you're concentrating their children and if you want

118
00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,040
Speaker 2: a ceasefire, then you do what you know Trump did

119
00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,680
Speaker 2: in the beginning, put enough pressure on commands so that

120
00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,080
Speaker 2: they will be forced to.

121
00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,200
Speaker 5: Agree to a cease fire that will release the hostages

122
00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,040
Speaker 5: that are being starved to death, being abused, being tortured,

123
00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,640
Speaker 5: and on the under hand, elevate and give a cease

124
00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,640
Speaker 5: fire for the Palestinian, give an opportunity to bring in eight.

125
00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,120
Speaker 4: That's what the responsible thing to do is when I see.

126
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we've got I really appreciate your points and

127
00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut you off, but we are

128
00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,320
Speaker 1: really short on time. Sharon, thank you so much for

129
00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,880
Speaker 1: taking the time to talk to us. Mate that Sharon

130
00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,000
Speaker 1: has school is rarely Deputy Minister of Foreign Afairs. For

131
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,720
Speaker 1: more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to news talks.

132
00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,920
Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast

133
00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,040
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio