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Speaker 2: News Talks EDB. So Antarctica's Scott Base is after more

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Speaker 2: than forty new staff for its twenty twenty six season.

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Speaker 2: A variety of roles, mechanics and housekeepers are up for grabs.

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Speaker 2: But what is life like in one of the most

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Speaker 2: inhospitable places on Earth? Joining us live from Scott Base

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Speaker 2: is doctor Stewart Kennan month winter based leader Stuart. Good

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Speaker 2: afternoon to.

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Speaker 3: You, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: So what does a day look like down there in

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Speaker 4: Scott Base for you guys?

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Speaker 3: Actually, while I've been here, every day has been so

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Speaker 3: very different. It's very difficult to say, but I guess

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Speaker 3: you're on a very large continance. There's not that many people,

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Speaker 3: there's a huge amount of snow, and I'm surrounded by seals, penguins, orka, whiles,

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Speaker 3: you name it. And that's kind of every day. But

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Speaker 3: the actual work environment is very varied. It can be

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Speaker 3: from anything. So I've just finished helping a film crew

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Speaker 3: do some work, but I can also be involved in

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Speaker 3: assisting with the very basics of helping the station run

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Speaker 3: from anything from food preparation to trying to remove and

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Speaker 3: fixed garbage or store equipment and tools away for the winter. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's a very varied position down here.

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Speaker 4: Can you just go for a walk? Can you open

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Speaker 4: the door and go for a wonder if you want

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, for sure. People are not locked inside unless

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Speaker 3: we have what's called condition one. So condition one is

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Speaker 3: it's dangerous and you have no incentive to go outside.

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Speaker 3: It's very cold and very windy, and that's when having

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Speaker 3: a nice warm research station is a great spot to

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Speaker 3: have because you can come inside and watch it all

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Speaker 3: through the windows. But no, when it's lovely. At the moment,

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Speaker 3: it's beautiful down here. We have a sunny conditions, a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a wind but not too bad, and

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Speaker 3: you can certainly get outside and walk around and have

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Speaker 3: the staff do, go for a walk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds lovely. So when it does get down to

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Speaker 2: the likes of my minus fifty degrees too, it explain

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Speaker 2: what that feels like when you get outside and you

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Speaker 2: hit temperatures like that. What is that experience.

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Speaker 3: Well, extreme cold like that. Really humans are not built

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Speaker 3: that allows us to shield ourselves from that cold. The

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Speaker 3: fifty you have to shield every single centimeter of skin.

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Speaker 3: You cannot have any skin left exposed to that level,

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Speaker 3: so you've really got to be sort of rugged up,

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Speaker 3: looking like a polar bear a bit. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 4: What's the biggest misconception people have about living in Antarctica.

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Speaker 3: I think the sheer scale of the place is the

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Speaker 3: And that's probably the biggest misconception by people is just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a phenomena of the astronauts talk about called

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Speaker 2: when you first get to Antarctic and you see that landscape.

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Speaker 3: Ah, you've hit the nail on the head. It's it's

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Speaker 4: What was your path to Scott Base in becoming the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been convoluted. I'm a marine scientist, so I

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Speaker 3: I have experience about the cold. But I've spent a

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Speaker 3: coral reefs. But yeah, so I guess I manage a

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Speaker 3: great adventure to to sort of go down to a

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Speaker 3: in a way which I think is having a large

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Speaker 3: Southern Ocean. It's an area that's extremely difficult to come to,

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Speaker 3: very difficult to understand, and as you most listeners would

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Speaker 2: I guess yeah, incredible. We're speaking to doctor Stuart Kennan

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Speaker 2: month winter base leader at Scott Base. So people often

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Speaker 2: think about the psychological challenge of living in such a situation.

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Speaker 3: You just can't sort of come in and clock in

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Speaker 3: So people are helping out with breakfast, lunch and dinners

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Speaker 3: Very much on a psychology level though, but one of

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Speaker 3: we need to sort of come together and help each other.

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Speaker 4: We've got to call her a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 4: what is the socializing good? It is it a good

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, and no, there's certainly been a few people

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Speaker 3: that's going off. He actually met a lovely lady from

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Speaker 3: But certainly socialization is there, and perhaps for a single

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Speaker 4: There might not be too many pangs on your tender

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Speaker 4: and SASH what you know, you had your path, But

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Speaker 3: Well? There really isn't it a general path. Really, everyone

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Speaker 3: that's listening could probably be involved. To be honest, the

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Speaker 4: Do you look back at those people, you know, what

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Speaker 3: explorations are just truly phenomenal. And yeah, I think there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Stuart Can. A month where it's been a

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Speaker 2: real joy to chat with you. Thank you very much

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wonderful to speak to you both.

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