1 00:00:06,693 --> 00:00:10,053 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons 2 00:00:10,093 --> 00:00:12,133 Speaker 1: podcast from News Talk z EDB. 3 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 2: We're talking about these these two blokes from New Zealand athletes, 4 00:00:16,173 --> 00:00:19,773 Speaker 2: brilliant athletes, their way of qualification into the K four 5 00:00:19,933 --> 00:00:23,053 Speaker 2: because it didn't qualify for that event through the normal channels, 6 00:00:23,573 --> 00:00:26,173 Speaker 2: So New Zealand Canoeing put them into the C two 7 00:00:26,253 --> 00:00:28,813 Speaker 2: five hundred. That was how they got through the Oceana series. 8 00:00:28,853 --> 00:00:30,653 Speaker 2: So they competed this morning and it was what it 9 00:00:30,693 --> 00:00:35,213 Speaker 2: was embarrassing. It was really embarrassing, like just acutely embarrassing. 10 00:00:35,573 --> 00:00:37,973 Speaker 2: So we're arguing as to whether or not it was 11 00:00:38,053 --> 00:00:40,613 Speaker 2: good of New Zealand Canoeing and rowing to exploit the 12 00:00:40,613 --> 00:00:43,573 Speaker 2: system because that was within the rules, or whether it 13 00:00:43,853 --> 00:00:47,013 Speaker 2: undermines and demeans the sport of canoeing. So who better 14 00:00:47,093 --> 00:00:50,133 Speaker 2: to speak to about this than one of our greatest 15 00:00:50,173 --> 00:00:54,453 Speaker 2: ever Olympians, five time Olympic medalists, four golds, one silver, 16 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:58,773 Speaker 2: mbe no less n Ferguson, Hello, n Ian. 17 00:00:59,293 --> 00:01:00,373 Speaker 3: Hi, Tom and James. 18 00:01:00,413 --> 00:01:03,333 Speaker 2: How are you good mate? Nice to hear your voice, mate. 19 00:01:03,333 --> 00:01:07,053 Speaker 2: It really is now many many many years ago. I'm 20 00:01:07,133 --> 00:01:09,813 Speaker 2: name dropping here but I can cannot and we grew 21 00:01:09,933 --> 00:01:12,373 Speaker 2: very close. We did a TV series to the cast 22 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:14,973 Speaker 2: of the Coats in was one of the competitors and 23 00:01:15,013 --> 00:01:17,053 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you were one of the oldest but 24 00:01:17,293 --> 00:01:21,213 Speaker 2: one of the strongest and fittest in it was extraordinary amazing. 25 00:01:21,573 --> 00:01:25,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I absolutely loved that show. I loved competing 26 00:01:25,293 --> 00:01:27,613 Speaker 3: in as it was right up my alley. It was 27 00:01:28,573 --> 00:01:31,813 Speaker 3: you never knew what was happening next. So yeah, it 28 00:01:31,853 --> 00:01:34,893 Speaker 3: was a great sort of competition to be in. 29 00:01:35,093 --> 00:01:37,173 Speaker 2: Well, all the other athletes were sort of in awe 30 00:01:37,253 --> 00:01:41,373 Speaker 2: of you and Paul McDonald because because you sort. 31 00:01:41,173 --> 00:01:43,413 Speaker 4: Of just all those medals they won that. 32 00:01:43,733 --> 00:01:47,093 Speaker 2: But like in every event you were so so good, 33 00:01:47,133 --> 00:01:49,013 Speaker 2: like running up the Coopers and eye Brown Tower at 34 00:01:49,053 --> 00:01:51,013 Speaker 2: the time the tallest building in Auckland, and you just 35 00:01:51,053 --> 00:01:53,693 Speaker 2: flew up past all the cyclists, past the runners, just 36 00:01:53,773 --> 00:01:56,773 Speaker 2: you have the lungs the size of a horse. So anyway, 37 00:01:56,933 --> 00:02:01,093 Speaker 2: we digress in was it a bad look for New 38 00:02:01,173 --> 00:02:03,333 Speaker 2: Zealand as a country and for the sport of canoeing. 39 00:02:04,373 --> 00:02:08,453 Speaker 3: Oh, it definitely was a bad look. But as long 40 00:02:08,493 --> 00:02:11,093 Speaker 3: as the greater purpose works out, I guess in the 41 00:02:11,253 --> 00:02:16,093 Speaker 3: end that they will do well. Yeah, hold their head 42 00:02:16,173 --> 00:02:19,053 Speaker 3: high when they race their other race, they can be forgiven. 43 00:02:19,213 --> 00:02:23,413 Speaker 3: But it's still a very embarrassing bad luck to start with. 44 00:02:23,773 --> 00:02:29,813 Speaker 3: And it's not really yeah, it wasn't in the way 45 00:02:29,893 --> 00:02:35,013 Speaker 3: that was those spots were meant to be qualified for kayakers. 46 00:02:35,013 --> 00:02:37,453 Speaker 3: It's meant to be qualified for canoeis so trying to 47 00:02:37,453 --> 00:02:42,133 Speaker 3: get more canoe people to paddle down our quarter of 48 00:02:42,133 --> 00:02:47,213 Speaker 3: the world. So yeah, it's not what International Canoe Federation 49 00:02:47,613 --> 00:02:52,053 Speaker 3: planned for this, but yeah, it's canoe racing. New Zealand's 50 00:02:52,053 --> 00:02:55,253 Speaker 3: decided this is the way to go, and if the 51 00:02:55,333 --> 00:03:00,853 Speaker 3: boys do well in their chosen event, then yeah, I 52 00:03:01,413 --> 00:03:04,373 Speaker 3: say they've got to be forgiven because for them it's 53 00:03:04,653 --> 00:03:09,173 Speaker 3: very very embarrassing as well. I just yeah, I just 54 00:03:09,413 --> 00:03:12,013 Speaker 3: see them. They would have hated that, would they But 55 00:03:12,573 --> 00:03:14,653 Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, they would have hated. I don't know 56 00:03:14,653 --> 00:03:16,933 Speaker 3: why they didn't do a little bit more training. They're 57 00:03:17,013 --> 00:03:19,693 Speaker 3: capable of going much faster than the otherland seaboat if 58 00:03:19,693 --> 00:03:22,133 Speaker 3: they wanted to, if they did a bit of training, 59 00:03:22,173 --> 00:03:25,413 Speaker 3: But they kept on focusing on the K four, which 60 00:03:25,493 --> 00:03:29,093 Speaker 3: was the main goal. So the butts are on the 61 00:03:29,133 --> 00:03:32,053 Speaker 3: line to do well, I guess, and they put it 62 00:03:32,093 --> 00:03:35,253 Speaker 3: out there, so now they've got to do well. Well. 63 00:03:35,253 --> 00:03:37,293 Speaker 4: They have made it to the semi finals of the 64 00:03:37,373 --> 00:03:40,453 Speaker 4: K four five hundred, so that's that's good, and there 65 00:03:40,533 --> 00:03:44,333 Speaker 4: was second place in the quarter final. But is it 66 00:03:44,573 --> 00:03:48,493 Speaker 4: correct that the K four obviously didn't qualify under its 67 00:03:48,493 --> 00:03:50,573 Speaker 4: own means. 68 00:03:50,773 --> 00:03:51,053 Speaker 2: Did it? 69 00:03:51,173 --> 00:03:51,373 Speaker 3: Yeah? 70 00:03:51,413 --> 00:03:51,693 Speaker 2: It did. 71 00:03:51,853 --> 00:03:55,613 Speaker 3: It didn't qualify it. No, it wasn't high enough, the 72 00:03:56,413 --> 00:04:00,173 Speaker 3: high enough up the order of the World Champs and 73 00:04:00,733 --> 00:04:06,093 Speaker 3: any qualifying spot. So they were basically rejected from that 74 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:11,293 Speaker 3: election policy and we got an under a a zone 75 00:04:11,373 --> 00:04:14,013 Speaker 3: area that they want to keep people from all around 76 00:04:14,093 --> 00:04:18,213 Speaker 3: the world competing someone from down Under in these races, 77 00:04:18,453 --> 00:04:21,573 Speaker 3: and which would have been great if it was in 78 00:04:21,613 --> 00:04:24,693 Speaker 3: the kayak event, it would have been totally acceptable. But 79 00:04:24,773 --> 00:04:28,533 Speaker 3: it's gone into the canoe, which makes it which is 80 00:04:28,533 --> 00:04:32,933 Speaker 3: not there expertise or it's not there, it's not even 81 00:04:32,973 --> 00:04:34,453 Speaker 3: their type of boat. 82 00:04:34,813 --> 00:04:37,493 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean, I'm presuming from what you said, 83 00:04:37,493 --> 00:04:40,173 Speaker 2: then they didn't qualify for the K four through the 84 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:43,213 Speaker 2: normal channels, which is actually performing and winning races and 85 00:04:43,253 --> 00:04:46,093 Speaker 2: getting to be the top sixteen. So I'm presuming then 86 00:04:46,373 --> 00:04:48,093 Speaker 2: they've got no show in the K four. 87 00:04:49,293 --> 00:04:52,973 Speaker 3: Well, well, one would expect because they had, but that 88 00:04:53,173 --> 00:04:58,373 Speaker 3: was a year ago when they did it. So yeah, 89 00:04:58,413 --> 00:05:03,653 Speaker 3: so it's unless they've got some no, they're going to 90 00:05:03,653 --> 00:05:07,533 Speaker 3: do better. I don't know's I haven't followed at the 91 00:05:07,573 --> 00:05:10,933 Speaker 3: time what was happening, But yes, what you're saying is 92 00:05:12,413 --> 00:05:17,933 Speaker 3: possibly correct. But that my point is is if they 93 00:05:17,973 --> 00:05:20,973 Speaker 3: do well, then that proves they had the right to 94 00:05:21,013 --> 00:05:25,413 Speaker 3: be there. If they make the final, then that's great. Yeah, 95 00:05:25,573 --> 00:05:28,773 Speaker 3: and there's not too many boats, so they're racing in 96 00:05:28,813 --> 00:05:31,413 Speaker 3: the k or because it is limited. There are limited 97 00:05:31,533 --> 00:05:39,413 Speaker 3: numbers of boats available in each race. And yes, so 98 00:05:38,293 --> 00:05:43,093 Speaker 3: it's going to be what shouldn't be too it's not 99 00:05:43,173 --> 00:05:45,573 Speaker 3: too hard to be okay, but it's hard to make 100 00:05:45,613 --> 00:05:49,813 Speaker 3: the final. Still, they make the final, they're doing damn well. 101 00:05:49,733 --> 00:05:51,893 Speaker 2: Damn well. Yeah. Hey, have you ever been in the 102 00:05:51,933 --> 00:05:54,333 Speaker 2: canoe yourself and done that form of paddle because they're 103 00:05:54,373 --> 00:05:56,333 Speaker 2: quite different, aren't they. 104 00:05:56,693 --> 00:06:01,773 Speaker 3: Yeah, weird they are. And I've paddled one, I've paddled 105 00:06:01,813 --> 00:06:06,693 Speaker 3: a single and they're very tricky to start with, but 106 00:06:06,773 --> 00:06:08,413 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if you trained in them, 107 00:06:08,453 --> 00:06:10,573 Speaker 3: you could you could get good on them because it's 108 00:06:10,653 --> 00:06:14,573 Speaker 3: just another paddling process. It's just one paddle and you've 109 00:06:14,613 --> 00:06:15,893 Speaker 3: just got to learn the technique. 110 00:06:16,133 --> 00:06:19,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, how's your son Stephen, because I mean, gosh, what 111 00:06:19,813 --> 00:06:22,413 Speaker 2: a champion he want Olympian? He was an Olympian for sure. 112 00:06:22,413 --> 00:06:23,093 Speaker 2: He was a unit. 113 00:06:24,213 --> 00:06:27,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's done well. He was. He went to 114 00:06:28,013 --> 00:06:31,933 Speaker 3: America's Cup and that's right and became one of the 115 00:06:31,973 --> 00:06:36,013 Speaker 3: grinders and because that was perfect for him. He's just 116 00:06:36,133 --> 00:06:40,093 Speaker 3: this big beast that just got so much Cardi Vessler 117 00:06:40,213 --> 00:06:45,413 Speaker 3: and yeah, and they won, so he was. He was 118 00:06:45,493 --> 00:06:46,693 Speaker 3: very happy with himself. 119 00:06:46,693 --> 00:06:49,253 Speaker 2: Oh, Betty was Have you ever had an arm wrestle 120 00:06:49,293 --> 00:06:50,533 Speaker 2: with him recently? Who would win that? 121 00:06:51,533 --> 00:06:54,413 Speaker 3: No? No, I have not. We always used to fight 122 00:06:54,453 --> 00:06:57,733 Speaker 3: when he was little and he got to about fourteen 123 00:06:58,413 --> 00:07:01,933 Speaker 3: and then he had me pinned to the ground and 124 00:07:02,013 --> 00:07:04,853 Speaker 3: I had to do the dirtiest tactics by you out 125 00:07:04,893 --> 00:07:07,853 Speaker 3: of it because he got what I did. Yeah, you 126 00:07:07,933 --> 00:07:10,893 Speaker 3: got to win. I couldn't have him boasting forever that. 127 00:07:11,053 --> 00:07:11,573 Speaker 2: You own me? 128 00:07:11,813 --> 00:07:14,453 Speaker 1: What do you do? Well? 129 00:07:14,733 --> 00:07:17,013 Speaker 3: One of the things was I just my face was 130 00:07:17,013 --> 00:07:20,213 Speaker 3: by his side, looked right up his face while they're 131 00:07:20,253 --> 00:07:23,293 Speaker 3: holding me down, and I did something with my hand 132 00:07:23,333 --> 00:07:26,933 Speaker 3: down lower down. I'm not going to say up on 133 00:07:27,093 --> 00:07:31,853 Speaker 3: a shot, And I said right, I'm not right. I'm 134 00:07:31,893 --> 00:07:34,453 Speaker 3: not fighting with you ever again, and so I'm still 135 00:07:34,613 --> 00:07:37,813 Speaker 3: undefeated champion and lovely between the beast and me. 136 00:07:38,093 --> 00:07:40,813 Speaker 2: Oh, that is a brilliant story. And hey, just before 137 00:07:40,813 --> 00:07:43,173 Speaker 2: you go, it's really lovely to talk to you. Can 138 00:07:43,213 --> 00:07:45,853 Speaker 2: you can you explain for those of us that will 139 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:50,173 Speaker 2: never ever do this, what it's like on the start 140 00:07:50,293 --> 00:07:55,213 Speaker 2: line of an Olympic final, when you're waiting and waiting 141 00:07:55,293 --> 00:07:56,813 Speaker 2: for the starter's going to go, and then when you 142 00:07:56,933 --> 00:07:58,733 Speaker 2: just can you just run us through that process. 143 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:05,013 Speaker 3: Okay, you do the warm up and you get you know, 144 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:07,813 Speaker 3: you've got this warm up and there's pressure on it 145 00:08:07,893 --> 00:08:10,613 Speaker 3: throughout the whole woman. But the trick always is to 146 00:08:10,613 --> 00:08:13,773 Speaker 3: have a plan, a program right down to the second 147 00:08:13,813 --> 00:08:16,413 Speaker 3: how you're doing everything. So you're busy, your mind's working 148 00:08:16,453 --> 00:08:20,173 Speaker 3: it out, just doing what you're doing, and then you 149 00:08:20,293 --> 00:08:23,893 Speaker 3: paddle up to the start line and then there's always 150 00:08:23,893 --> 00:08:28,293 Speaker 3: some dick that's waiting back and you're ready in line, 151 00:08:28,333 --> 00:08:33,653 Speaker 3: and it's a nervous time. That is a bad part. 152 00:08:33,693 --> 00:08:37,733 Speaker 3: But as long as I found that you can't race 153 00:08:37,813 --> 00:08:40,533 Speaker 3: other people's race, you can't worry about that other person 154 00:08:40,573 --> 00:08:43,373 Speaker 3: getting ready. You've got to worry about your race only 155 00:08:43,493 --> 00:08:45,733 Speaker 3: and your plan. So as long as you're just thinking 156 00:08:45,813 --> 00:08:48,893 Speaker 3: your plan, and you go in and you're thinking about 157 00:08:49,213 --> 00:08:51,773 Speaker 3: just the first stroke, you're not thinking further on down 158 00:08:51,813 --> 00:08:53,813 Speaker 3: because you've got your plan. You know what you're doing next. 159 00:08:53,853 --> 00:08:57,293 Speaker 3: Once you've done the first stroke, you know it, and 160 00:08:57,333 --> 00:09:00,133 Speaker 3: so you're just thinking of that first stroke because that's 161 00:09:00,133 --> 00:09:02,973 Speaker 3: so important. Then you do that, and then you do 162 00:09:03,093 --> 00:09:06,813 Speaker 3: your race. You can't chase somebody else, and you're not 163 00:09:06,973 --> 00:09:13,573 Speaker 3: fast at the start like Lisa and Amy. They are 164 00:09:13,653 --> 00:09:17,133 Speaker 3: so different in their race technique. So Amy can't go 165 00:09:17,253 --> 00:09:19,933 Speaker 3: out fast like Lisa, so she shouldn't try to. She 166 00:09:19,973 --> 00:09:22,533 Speaker 3: shouldn't try and beat Visa, otherwise she will blow up. 167 00:09:22,933 --> 00:09:25,293 Speaker 3: So Amy's got to do her race, go out her 168 00:09:25,373 --> 00:09:28,773 Speaker 3: pace and come on strong at the end, and Lisa's 169 00:09:28,813 --> 00:09:30,453 Speaker 3: got to try and hold her off at the end. 170 00:09:30,493 --> 00:09:33,933 Speaker 3: So you know, you've really got to just do your race. 171 00:09:33,973 --> 00:09:36,293 Speaker 3: And I don't remember when I first started, I was 172 00:09:36,333 --> 00:09:38,893 Speaker 3: always trying to race the winner and because they are 173 00:09:38,933 --> 00:09:42,173 Speaker 3: the top, and it just doesn't work. It's race your race. 174 00:09:42,213 --> 00:09:44,253 Speaker 3: And as long as you've got your own plan in 175 00:09:44,293 --> 00:09:46,613 Speaker 3: your own mind, you're so busy there keeping in that 176 00:09:46,733 --> 00:09:49,373 Speaker 3: zone that you can do your best race. And that's 177 00:09:49,373 --> 00:09:53,533 Speaker 3: what's so difficult, because there's there's people around you, there's 178 00:09:53,533 --> 00:09:56,893 Speaker 3: boats coming up beside you. Oh it is it is hard. 179 00:09:57,013 --> 00:09:58,773 Speaker 2: Oh it's wonderful hearing you talk like this. 180 00:09:59,093 --> 00:10:00,933 Speaker 4: Now that I know that, I wish I was younger. 181 00:10:02,493 --> 00:10:05,333 Speaker 3: Two quick things, I still I still wish that as well. 182 00:10:05,373 --> 00:10:07,733 Speaker 3: And lately, because it's the Olympics, I'm having these and 183 00:10:07,933 --> 00:10:10,933 Speaker 3: dreams where I'm getting ready for racing and I can't 184 00:10:11,093 --> 00:10:16,253 Speaker 3: can't find the boat, can't find you racing singleer. Oh's 185 00:10:16,253 --> 00:10:16,853 Speaker 3: a nightmare. 186 00:10:17,733 --> 00:10:21,093 Speaker 2: That's good, those anxiety dreams. Two things before you go in. 187 00:10:21,493 --> 00:10:24,893 Speaker 2: So you mentioned Amy fishon of course Dame Lisa Carrington, 188 00:10:24,933 --> 00:10:27,573 Speaker 2: and that's just been some kind of rivalry, very exciting. 189 00:10:27,613 --> 00:10:29,973 Speaker 2: They both race tonight seven thirty in the women's K 190 00:10:30,053 --> 00:10:32,973 Speaker 2: one five hundred Heat one, and then of course Lisa 191 00:10:33,293 --> 00:10:35,933 Speaker 2: are five minutes later in the second heat. Who do 192 00:10:36,013 --> 00:10:39,973 Speaker 2: you think will actually win? Or was that unfair? Is 193 00:10:40,013 --> 00:10:40,973 Speaker 2: that unfair to ask? 194 00:10:41,653 --> 00:10:43,893 Speaker 3: That is a bit unfair because I love them both 195 00:10:43,933 --> 00:10:47,373 Speaker 3: a both beautiful girl in there, and yeah, they've got 196 00:10:47,373 --> 00:10:51,213 Speaker 3: different personalities and they race totally different as well, but 197 00:10:51,333 --> 00:10:56,213 Speaker 3: they're so damn close who ever just has just has 198 00:10:56,653 --> 00:10:59,493 Speaker 3: one fraction of an advantage on that day or just 199 00:11:00,293 --> 00:11:03,053 Speaker 3: something will be in their lappe. It's the lucky one 200 00:11:03,093 --> 00:11:05,613 Speaker 3: of those two will win, okay, because they're so close, 201 00:11:05,853 --> 00:11:10,573 Speaker 3: and yeah, I just hope they just do both do 202 00:11:10,693 --> 00:11:13,453 Speaker 3: their own race. That guarantees us the first and second 203 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:18,813 Speaker 3: never done in kayaking history before for us, So that would. 204 00:11:18,533 --> 00:11:21,333 Speaker 2: Be that would be amazing. And last question, as we 205 00:11:21,373 --> 00:11:24,493 Speaker 2: mentioned in your introduction in five time Olympic medalists, which 206 00:11:24,533 --> 00:11:27,533 Speaker 2: is just extraordinary. Four golds, one silver. Last thing because 207 00:11:27,573 --> 00:11:30,853 Speaker 2: I'm always fascinated to know for me immortals, you'd think, well, 208 00:11:30,893 --> 00:11:33,373 Speaker 2: if you get an Olympic medal, that's just just unreal. 209 00:11:33,733 --> 00:11:36,373 Speaker 2: But is there a sense of disappointment like you got 210 00:11:36,413 --> 00:11:38,893 Speaker 2: four golds? Is there a sense of disappointment when you 211 00:11:38,933 --> 00:11:41,733 Speaker 2: get a silver? Do you feel oh. 212 00:11:41,533 --> 00:11:48,293 Speaker 3: Man, oh yeah there is, yeah, definitely, especially with that race. 213 00:11:48,333 --> 00:11:50,693 Speaker 3: We hadn't been beaten for a couple of years and 214 00:11:50,813 --> 00:11:52,933 Speaker 3: we were you know, you have good luck, you have 215 00:11:53,013 --> 00:11:55,533 Speaker 3: bad luck, and on that day we had bad luck. 216 00:11:55,533 --> 00:11:57,533 Speaker 3: There was we were in the worst lane. It was 217 00:11:57,573 --> 00:12:01,093 Speaker 3: a side headwind, so it was really bad for the 218 00:12:01,133 --> 00:12:04,053 Speaker 3: person on the worst lane. It was. We looked at 219 00:12:04,053 --> 00:12:06,653 Speaker 3: it on this morning of that race and thought, as 220 00:12:06,693 --> 00:12:09,853 Speaker 3: we're lining up, were going, there's no way we should winness, 221 00:12:10,573 --> 00:12:13,253 Speaker 3: and we're just going to go like hell, and so 222 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:16,333 Speaker 3: we're really given up chance of winning a goal. But 223 00:12:16,573 --> 00:12:19,093 Speaker 3: so in a way, we were just happy we won 224 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:21,213 Speaker 3: the silver. And we always look back on that race 225 00:12:21,293 --> 00:12:24,293 Speaker 3: as our best ever race because we still were so 226 00:12:24,373 --> 00:12:27,973 Speaker 3: close to winning, and yet we shouldn't have been anywhere 227 00:12:27,973 --> 00:12:31,013 Speaker 3: near there. The second favorites came dead last in the 228 00:12:31,093 --> 00:12:35,813 Speaker 3: lane next to us, so that's how you know. So 229 00:12:35,893 --> 00:12:37,733 Speaker 3: that was our best ever race, even though it was 230 00:12:37,773 --> 00:12:39,893 Speaker 3: the silver. So we can look back at that and 231 00:12:40,013 --> 00:12:44,173 Speaker 3: say well done to ourselves. But nobody else. 232 00:12:44,173 --> 00:12:47,013 Speaker 2: Winning is where he's talking about Paul McDonald, of course. 233 00:12:47,413 --> 00:12:50,173 Speaker 2: And last thing we said last week's great. Where do 234 00:12:50,213 --> 00:12:51,053 Speaker 2: you keep your medals? 235 00:12:52,453 --> 00:12:56,733 Speaker 3: Uh? I can't tell you. Someone might come here, someone 236 00:12:56,813 --> 00:13:04,733 Speaker 3: might just come and steal them. Just in my wardrobe. Yeah. 237 00:13:04,853 --> 00:13:06,253 Speaker 2: Do you ever do you ever when you get up 238 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:07,893 Speaker 2: in the morning, you know you're in your undies, do 239 00:13:07,933 --> 00:13:09,293 Speaker 2: you ever go to the drawer and just put them 240 00:13:09,293 --> 00:13:11,573 Speaker 2: all on, five of them, just see them dangling there? 241 00:13:13,053 --> 00:13:15,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, telling. 242 00:13:17,373 --> 00:13:21,133 Speaker 2: Mate, what are you fantasizing something Simon, and we have 243 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:23,693 Speaker 2: loved chatting with you. It's just such a great insight. 244 00:13:23,813 --> 00:13:26,093 Speaker 2: Thank you for being so generous with your time. Mate, 245 00:13:26,133 --> 00:13:32,493 Speaker 2: go well, okay, thanks I Ferguson what a champ? 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