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Speaker 2: Hello, Kiyota, good afternoon, and welcome in to the Sunday

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Speaker 2: edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks V. The last

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Speaker 2: Sunday edition for twenty twenty four August anyway, not for

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Speaker 2: the whole you don't worry. It's August twenty five. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine. Show producer is Annie McDonald. We have got

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Speaker 2: a real mixed bag and plenty of variety for you

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Speaker 2: between now and three. The thirty seventh America's Cup about

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Speaker 2: to get underway off the coast of Barcelona. The warm

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Speaker 2: up regatta almost done. That's the prelude to the Louis

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Speaker 2: Verton Challenger Series, which starts next week ahead of Team

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's defense of the Old Mug in October. Match.

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Speaker 2: Racing champion and sailing commentator Chris Steele is along shortly

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Speaker 2: and I'm quite keen to gauge your interest levels. In

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Speaker 2: this given the fact that KUFF is being defended not

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Speaker 2: half a world away in Barcelona, worth racing taking place

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Speaker 2: as most of us are asleep. Are you still feeling

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Speaker 2: get towards the business end. Also this hour, our ears

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Speaker 2: perked up this week when Red Ball Formula one advisor

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Speaker 2: Helmut Marco said in an interview that kiw Liam Lawson

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Speaker 2: if one drive for Liam Lawson. We'll examine the validity

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Speaker 2: of these claims with Bob McMurray this hour. Other matters

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Speaker 2: around today, the world number one ranked men's tennis player

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Speaker 2: Yarnick Sinner has avoided suspension despite testing positive not once,

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Speaker 2: This has created plenty of chatter. Former Director General of WADA,

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Speaker 2: David Howmond with us on that after one keep we

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Speaker 2: golfer and Olympic champion Lydia cohe is and a type

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Speaker 2: Championship at the Old Course at Saint Andrew's former pro

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Speaker 2: Phil Tatordagi on that over the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Neilim O'Neill is a name to look out for. She'll

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Speaker 2: become the first female Kiwi shooter to compete at a

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Speaker 2: Paralympic Games in forty years four to Zho forty years

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Speaker 2: and the first woman ever to represent US in air

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Speaker 2: a chat after two the new A League men's football season,

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Speaker 2: now less than two months away hour Auckland FC traveling

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Speaker 2: this new team to the competition. Their director of football

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Speaker 2: Terry mcflynn, will update us on their progress and James

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Speaker 2: mcconey in his regular Sunday slot beaming in I Think

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Speaker 2: from Scotland Today Live Sport this afternoon. Farrah Palmer Cup

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Speaker 2: Rugby O T and Tasman approaching half time in Duneed

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Speaker 2: Wellington and Munawit TWU have just kicked off in Pottydoer

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Speaker 2: Taranaki against North Harbor and New Plymouth from five past

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Speaker 2: one and in the Bunnings End PC Otago against Bay

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Speaker 2: have Plenty in Dunedin five past two. We'll get you

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Speaker 2: to Dunedin actually for a preview before kickoff with Gold

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Speaker 2: Sport commentator Paul Allison. Wellington up against Munawatu in Potty

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Speaker 2: do it at the same time. We'll keep you updated

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Speaker 2: and a half past midday.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the hail Mary's and the empy fails weekends

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Speaker 2: TA Barcelona team New Zealand still unbeaten after three days

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Speaker 3: So on a day when the win has just tailed

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Speaker 2: First of all, what's the reason for holding this preliminary regatta.

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Speaker 2: So will the teams be showing their full hand or not,

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Speaker 4: When you actually get out there and start racing physically

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Speaker 4: So I guess being able to race in the Challenger

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. Actually, I think if you look back

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Speaker 4: it's it's a smart, smart move from Teamy Zellen to

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Speaker 2: Chatting America's Cup with Chris Steele, Chris the AC seventy five.

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Speaker 2: Are they basically the same as what's used in sal GP.

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Speaker 4: used the Bermuda America's Cup back in I think it's

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Speaker 4: bigger and yeah just single hell so still foiling, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: quite quite a visually different to look at and in terms.

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Speaker 2: Of sailing them. Then will the core team new Zelling

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Speaker 4: It would definitely give them advantage in terms of being

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Speaker 4: able to sail another foiling boat fast around the racetrack.

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Speaker 4: But all those teams have been competing in sal GP

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Speaker 4: probably the one different different team that regards. But I

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Speaker 4: and you know, all those guys do a lot of foiling,

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Speaker 4: so I wouldn't think that would plans it too much.

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Speaker 2: the new French Challenger orient Express Racing. Will they be

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Speaker 2: the Louis Vuton or will it be more about what

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Speaker 2: Just to finish, I think we'd all obviously prefer for

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Speaker 2: Of course, we'd engage a heck of a lot more

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Speaker 1: Garnoves, New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Talks and B.

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Speaker 2: Twelve thirty news Talks, said Bay, Let's talk to America's

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Speaker 2: Cup and your engagement levels in it, either now or

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Speaker 2: what you expect them to be. Hello, Aenn, Hi, Jason,

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Speaker 2: how are you good? Thank you?

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Speaker 6: Ben?

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Speaker 7: I follow the America's Cup from early times and I

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Speaker 7: Sox out. At some stage during each tournament I watch LGP.

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Speaker 7: I enjoy that I've started off on this America's Cup,

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Speaker 7: and I don't think I've got the stomach to continue

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Speaker 2: Interesting, What what makes you say that? What makes you

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Speaker 7: In because you don't see them in They don't cross

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Speaker 7: Sammons, it looks like a sake grace on a plastic scene.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Yes, of course, of course. Well so you're unlikely

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Speaker 7: I'd imagine I might record it and sleck through, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting point you make, Anne, thank you. Yeah, as

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Speaker 8: that's never been the reason. Why is the nation we've

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Speaker 8: been excited at the Cup?

431
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Speaker 2: Great point? James, Yeah. I think of San Diego ninety

432
00:22:43,947 --> 00:22:46,067
Speaker 2: five and we knew, didn't we if Black Magic won it,

433
00:22:46,307 --> 00:22:50,027
Speaker 2: which they did. We're having in Auckland's a few years later,

434
00:22:50,147 --> 00:22:53,387
Speaker 2: which we did and then defended it when a LINGI

435
00:22:53,467 --> 00:22:55,987
Speaker 2: took it office in three same with I guess in

436
00:22:56,027 --> 00:22:59,827
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen when we wanted them Bermuda, we knew almost

437
00:22:59,867 --> 00:23:02,027
Speaker 2: beyond a shadow of doubt it'll be back in Auckland.

438
00:23:02,347 --> 00:23:04,147
Speaker 2: So yeah, so now, I mean, you're so right. If

439
00:23:04,147 --> 00:23:06,707
Speaker 2: they win it off the coast of Barcelona, there's nothing

440
00:23:06,747 --> 00:23:08,587
Speaker 2: to suggest that it'll be back here in three or

441
00:23:08,627 --> 00:23:09,107
Speaker 2: four years.

442
00:23:10,587 --> 00:23:13,187
Speaker 8: Wow, my understanding is it in fact that it's not

443
00:23:13,307 --> 00:23:16,947
Speaker 8: coming back. So you know, it's obviously great to chair on.

444
00:23:17,347 --> 00:23:20,467
Speaker 8: You know, any team with ten New Zealand. You know

445
00:23:20,467 --> 00:23:24,547
Speaker 8: it's called teen New Zealand, but that's it, and in

446
00:23:24,627 --> 00:23:27,107
Speaker 8: fact that's would have been the reason why the country

447
00:23:27,387 --> 00:23:30,827
Speaker 8: we've been excited. You know, it's a massive industry. It

448
00:23:30,987 --> 00:23:34,587
Speaker 8: brings really hundreds of million dollars for the country who win.

449
00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:39,707
Speaker 8: And I'm certainly not blaming Dolson or anyone for what's happened,

450
00:23:40,147 --> 00:23:43,467
Speaker 8: but you know, all it is really is a yacht ray.

451
00:23:44,107 --> 00:23:46,467
Speaker 8: It doesn't all that other stuff really isn't part of

452
00:23:46,547 --> 00:23:46,907
Speaker 8: the stove.

453
00:23:48,067 --> 00:23:50,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the collateral damage, isn't it. They as you say,

454
00:23:50,827 --> 00:23:53,027
Speaker 2: I think, I think I share your view, James. You know,

455
00:23:53,267 --> 00:23:56,267
Speaker 2: I understand why Grant Dalton made the decision that he did.

456
00:23:56,307 --> 00:23:58,467
Speaker 2: I totally get how expensive the sport is and you've

457
00:23:58,467 --> 00:24:01,067
Speaker 2: got to make the dollars and cents work. But yeah,

458
00:24:01,107 --> 00:24:02,907
Speaker 2: I just know that if it was back here, or

459
00:24:03,107 --> 00:24:04,827
Speaker 2: if we knew that, if they defended it it would

460
00:24:04,827 --> 00:24:07,307
Speaker 2: be coming back, there'd be a lot more personal investment,

461
00:24:07,347 --> 00:24:08,907
Speaker 2: I think from certainly from me, and I think a

462
00:24:08,947 --> 00:24:09,867
Speaker 2: lot of other kiwis too.

463
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Speaker 8: It's just such a massive mess. It's rarely gonna think

464
00:24:14,827 --> 00:24:18,467
Speaker 8: about it. I think it's probably one of the dumbest

465
00:24:18,507 --> 00:24:21,667
Speaker 8: things as a nation that's need to really happened to

466
00:24:21,747 --> 00:24:24,747
Speaker 8: us is to try and get one of the world's

467
00:24:24,787 --> 00:24:27,667
Speaker 8: makers wanting it is down here. We do all the

468
00:24:27,747 --> 00:24:31,507
Speaker 8: work and there for all sorts of reasons, we lose

469
00:24:32,187 --> 00:24:35,267
Speaker 8: the opportunity to host it, and yet I think COVID

470
00:24:35,347 --> 00:24:38,227
Speaker 8: probably affected it things quite a bit, and there's probably

471
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Speaker 8: other reasons, but it's it's just so sad and I

472
00:24:41,827 --> 00:24:44,587
Speaker 8: think across the ballk of this country that we're not

473
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Speaker 8: hosting it and probably won host it again next time.

474
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Speaker 2: A full thanks James, I appreciate your call, and I

475
00:24:51,667 --> 00:24:55,947
Speaker 2: look I agree with your sentiments. I think, Look, it's

476
00:24:56,067 --> 00:25:00,267
Speaker 2: highly likely that if Team New Zealand do defend in Barcelona,

477
00:25:00,547 --> 00:25:04,667
Speaker 2: the next one will be in Saudi Arabia. Quite likely,

478
00:25:05,427 --> 00:25:08,307
Speaker 2: they had they had a preliminary regretted they didn't they

479
00:25:08,427 --> 00:25:11,987
Speaker 2: a year or so ago. What's to say that the

480
00:25:11,987 --> 00:25:14,867
Speaker 2: next America's Cup won't be defended by Team New Zealand

481
00:25:15,227 --> 00:25:18,867
Speaker 2: in Saudi Arabia. Imagine me saying that sentence in nineteen

482
00:25:18,947 --> 00:25:19,587
Speaker 2: ninety five.

483
00:25:20,147 --> 00:25:23,987
Speaker 9: Hello, Kelvin, good afternoon, Jason. Congratulations on an interview with

484
00:25:24,027 --> 00:25:27,187
Speaker 9: Anna yesterday, and I'm looking forward to seeing TV one

485
00:25:27,267 --> 00:25:31,947
Speaker 9: plus one at one o'clock this afternoon on the introduction

486
00:25:32,027 --> 00:25:34,387
Speaker 9: to the Power Games. I miss seeing it last night.

487
00:25:34,667 --> 00:25:38,267
Speaker 9: Now I think Anna's a Hamilton girl. But anyway, America's Cup,

488
00:25:38,707 --> 00:25:41,387
Speaker 9: I watched you from midnight. I think it was on

489
00:25:41,507 --> 00:25:45,587
Speaker 9: Tel about two thirty this morning, and it rekindled my

490
00:25:46,507 --> 00:25:50,467
Speaker 9: interest in it. But what I didn't like a lot

491
00:25:50,467 --> 00:25:54,547
Speaker 9: of what you're watching on the TV screen isn't actually

492
00:25:55,267 --> 00:25:58,147
Speaker 9: even real yachts. Forget about the people because you can't

493
00:25:58,147 --> 00:26:00,187
Speaker 9: sort of see them, as a previous call I mentioned,

494
00:26:00,187 --> 00:26:03,987
Speaker 9: but the actual it's almost like watching a video game.

495
00:26:04,347 --> 00:26:06,867
Speaker 9: It's too much. What's the word I'm at the word

496
00:26:06,867 --> 00:26:09,947
Speaker 9: I'm trying to think of, But anyway, it's it's not

497
00:26:10,067 --> 00:26:13,307
Speaker 9: really there's too much stuff on the screen computerized.

498
00:26:14,067 --> 00:26:18,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, the graphics on the screen, I think, Yeah, I

499
00:26:18,347 --> 00:26:21,347
Speaker 2: haven't really watched it, Calvin enough. But so what you're

500
00:26:21,347 --> 00:26:24,027
Speaker 2: saying is what you're what they're showing you on the

501
00:26:24,027 --> 00:26:27,667
Speaker 2: screen is a graphic representation of what's happening on the water.

502
00:26:27,747 --> 00:26:28,147
Speaker 10: Is that right?

503
00:26:28,267 --> 00:26:30,787
Speaker 2: Or is it just when they they paint the lines

504
00:26:30,787 --> 00:26:32,227
Speaker 2: on the on the ocean as you're watching it?

505
00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:36,067
Speaker 9: Yeah, I wish you had been my English teacher seventy five,

506
00:26:36,267 --> 00:26:39,467
Speaker 9: seventy five years ago, I maybe three next month, so

507
00:26:39,587 --> 00:26:41,867
Speaker 9: now and again my brain goes cold. But getting back

508
00:26:41,907 --> 00:26:45,467
Speaker 9: to the Americas, Yeah, so that was the story. But

509
00:26:45,947 --> 00:26:49,067
Speaker 9: when it did show little bits of real yacht, real water,

510
00:26:49,427 --> 00:26:53,067
Speaker 9: real waves, real sounds, it was quite good. But I'll

511
00:26:53,107 --> 00:26:55,867
Speaker 9: tell you now, I'm honest, I'm very very honest person,

512
00:26:55,907 --> 00:27:00,587
Speaker 9: because it's stoffed. My nose growing and I'd actually forgotten, Now,

513
00:27:00,667 --> 00:27:04,227
Speaker 9: don't fall out of your chair. I'd actually forgotten that

514
00:27:04,347 --> 00:27:09,147
Speaker 9: New Zealand had won the America's Cap. What I'd forgotten

515
00:27:09,147 --> 00:27:13,787
Speaker 9: all about it? What yep, there you're off on the floor.

516
00:27:13,867 --> 00:27:15,387
Speaker 2: Now on the floor.

517
00:27:16,667 --> 00:27:19,627
Speaker 9: I'd forgotten, you know, in the last couple of years

518
00:27:19,707 --> 00:27:23,267
Speaker 9: or whatever, that we'd actually we were the holder of

519
00:27:23,267 --> 00:27:26,467
Speaker 9: the America's Cup. It wasn't until I started watching on TV.

520
00:27:26,587 --> 00:27:28,867
Speaker 9: I thought, oh, that's right, we won it last time,

521
00:27:29,427 --> 00:27:33,467
Speaker 9: and lots of sport. I follow lots of sports, so.

522
00:27:34,107 --> 00:27:36,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on your look and not just once you're

523
00:27:36,147 --> 00:27:40,027
Speaker 2: right were the holders at the moment, Well, if you

524
00:27:40,067 --> 00:27:41,547
Speaker 2: are all the way back. We won it ninety five

525
00:27:41,547 --> 00:27:44,467
Speaker 2: in San Diego, defended it in Auckland in two thousand

526
00:27:44,467 --> 00:27:47,787
Speaker 2: and then lost it when Russell Coots came or jumped

527
00:27:47,787 --> 00:27:51,307
Speaker 2: across to Willingy. That was three. We won it again

528
00:27:51,347 --> 00:27:55,067
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen in Bermuda, and then defended it last

529
00:27:55,067 --> 00:27:57,427
Speaker 2: time in Auckland. So yeah, we've had we had our

530
00:27:57,467 --> 00:27:58,347
Speaker 2: hands on it a bit.

531
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Speaker 11: Good.

532
00:28:00,547 --> 00:28:03,267
Speaker 2: The jet us always mate twenty two away from one

533
00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:05,187
Speaker 2: more course coming. If you want to jump aboard, we'll

534
00:28:05,227 --> 00:28:08,107
Speaker 2: keep the conversation going around the America's Cup. Oh, one

535
00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:09,867
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty back after this.

536
00:28:10,667 --> 00:28:14,387
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason

537
00:28:14,427 --> 00:28:18,347
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunner Holmes, new Zealand's most trusted home builder.

538
00:28:18,427 --> 00:28:21,507
Speaker 2: News Talks, News Talks. They'll be nineteen to one talking

539
00:28:21,507 --> 00:28:23,827
Speaker 2: America's Cup, Peter says Jason. The yachts you see are real.

540
00:28:23,867 --> 00:28:26,227
Speaker 2: The graphics provide a context and help understand where they

541
00:28:26,227 --> 00:28:28,227
Speaker 2: are on the course. It's brilliant. Yeah, I thought that's

542
00:28:28,227 --> 00:28:30,667
Speaker 2: what it was, Peter. You know, you watch a lot

543
00:28:30,707 --> 00:28:33,027
Speaker 2: of yachting these days, and the graphics that are overlaying

544
00:28:33,347 --> 00:28:36,067
Speaker 2: on what we're seeing over the actual boats really give

545
00:28:36,107 --> 00:28:40,987
Speaker 2: you a hand, don't they in understanding who's ahead? Yeah?

546
00:28:40,987 --> 00:28:46,427
Speaker 2: I think the coverage of it on television is magnificent. Hello, Pete, they.

547
00:28:46,307 --> 00:28:49,027
Speaker 12: Got any partier? We're goetting the Mierica's Cup. You know

548
00:28:49,267 --> 00:28:51,387
Speaker 12: I'm not watching it. It's to me right off we won.

549
00:28:51,587 --> 00:28:53,907
Speaker 12: We should have challenged it here in New Zealand. As

550
00:28:53,907 --> 00:28:55,787
Speaker 12: far as I is seeing ground and Dalton, I hope

551
00:28:55,787 --> 00:28:57,587
Speaker 12: he stays in Barcelone. He doesn't have to come back

552
00:28:57,627 --> 00:28:59,467
Speaker 12: to news Viala or he's that a true new cylinder

553
00:28:59,827 --> 00:29:02,307
Speaker 12: ban is if he's had or a hand on his part.

554
00:29:02,747 --> 00:29:05,387
Speaker 12: Who are challenged here? And all these people are making

555
00:29:05,427 --> 00:29:08,387
Speaker 12: all these excuses there's more money there is that to

556
00:29:08,427 --> 00:29:10,907
Speaker 12: a degree they make more money where they are playing it,

557
00:29:10,947 --> 00:29:13,627
Speaker 12: but that sometimes you have to let those that side

558
00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:15,387
Speaker 12: of it go. It take an esport.

559
00:29:16,187 --> 00:29:19,387
Speaker 13: If you win it, you challenge it. Is that that

560
00:29:19,547 --> 00:29:20,747
Speaker 13: the code of ethics.

561
00:29:20,787 --> 00:29:24,667
Speaker 12: And he's where are he's if you don't realize that

562
00:29:24,707 --> 00:29:27,827
Speaker 12: he's he's fulling up the Swiss bank account he said

563
00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:28,987
Speaker 12: there anything about himself.

564
00:29:30,427 --> 00:29:33,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure about that last. But Pete, but

565
00:29:33,467 --> 00:29:36,667
Speaker 2: I think what you've done is is articulated what a

566
00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:41,587
Speaker 2: lot of people feel about this. It's not it's not

567
00:29:41,627 --> 00:29:44,347
Speaker 2: without precedent. I must say, thirty three of the thirty

568
00:29:44,467 --> 00:29:47,307
Speaker 2: six or is this Yeah, this is the thirty seventh,

569
00:29:47,307 --> 00:29:50,027
Speaker 2: doesn't it. Thirty three of the thirty six have been

570
00:29:50,067 --> 00:29:52,947
Speaker 2: defended on home water, so this is the third. This

571
00:29:53,027 --> 00:29:56,387
Speaker 2: is the fourth that hasn't been So it's not without precedent.

572
00:29:58,507 --> 00:30:00,427
Speaker 2: As I said at the top, I think most people

573
00:30:00,467 --> 00:30:05,187
Speaker 2: can probably even grudgingly accept why it's been done in

574
00:30:05,267 --> 00:30:07,347
Speaker 2: terms of the dollars and cent that needed to run

575
00:30:07,387 --> 00:30:11,107
Speaker 2: the campaign. Nothing to do with personal interest. I think

576
00:30:11,147 --> 00:30:14,387
Speaker 2: it just costs a lot and so you go where

577
00:30:14,427 --> 00:30:22,067
Speaker 2: that money can be recouped. Yeah, it's a I guess

578
00:30:22,067 --> 00:30:24,867
Speaker 2: that's why we're talking about it right, because we'd love

579
00:30:24,907 --> 00:30:26,867
Speaker 2: to have it here. Hoeki golf, wasn't it not white?

580
00:30:26,867 --> 00:30:29,667
Speaker 2: To mutter Harber, this is my lack of knowledge of

581
00:30:29,707 --> 00:30:32,507
Speaker 2: the Auckland waterways coming to the form. My apologies for that.

582
00:30:32,627 --> 00:30:35,027
Speaker 2: But the last one, do you remember how much hype

583
00:30:35,067 --> 00:30:37,267
Speaker 2: there was, how much how much kind of you know,

584
00:30:38,387 --> 00:30:40,987
Speaker 2: interest there was, And of course because it was right there,

585
00:30:41,067 --> 00:30:42,867
Speaker 2: we went down to the viaduct or people who lived

586
00:30:43,027 --> 00:30:46,707
Speaker 2: in that area did to watch the America's Cup. Now

587
00:30:46,747 --> 00:30:48,667
Speaker 2: we've got to set the alarm for midnight and get

588
00:30:48,707 --> 00:30:52,947
Speaker 2: up and watch it. Thanks for your corpete, Hi Lee.

589
00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,787
Speaker 14: Hi Jason, how are you? I'd just like to offer

590
00:30:54,827 --> 00:30:57,467
Speaker 14: a few alternative views on what's going on at the moment.

591
00:30:57,947 --> 00:31:01,467
Speaker 14: We are a nation of real knockers. The America's Cup

592
00:31:02,067 --> 00:31:06,147
Speaker 14: was one here defended here last time, and then co

593
00:31:06,427 --> 00:31:10,427
Speaker 14: had happened during it, and so no one really got

594
00:31:10,467 --> 00:31:13,467
Speaker 14: the financial rewards they should have done for that cup.

595
00:31:14,187 --> 00:31:19,707
Speaker 14: The government ran scared, and now we're in a financial

596
00:31:19,747 --> 00:31:22,467
Speaker 14: crisis in this country. Can you imagine what people would

597
00:31:22,467 --> 00:31:24,027
Speaker 14: be saying if we had shelled out a couple of

598
00:31:24,107 --> 00:31:25,947
Speaker 14: hundred million dollars to defend the cup here.

599
00:31:27,107 --> 00:31:29,667
Speaker 2: Oh, I can imagine exactly what they'd be saying late.

600
00:31:30,027 --> 00:31:33,867
Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly, and people have got to just back off

601
00:31:33,907 --> 00:31:36,907
Speaker 14: of it. Doltin has done a fantastic job with that team.

602
00:31:37,347 --> 00:31:40,347
Speaker 14: He's gone out and got sponsorship for it for everywhere,

603
00:31:40,947 --> 00:31:44,267
Speaker 14: and it costs a lot to put it on. Barcelona

604
00:31:44,347 --> 00:31:47,787
Speaker 14: stumped up so many million, hundred, you know, probably hundreds

605
00:31:47,787 --> 00:31:49,107
Speaker 14: of millions of dollars at the end of the day

606
00:31:49,107 --> 00:31:52,307
Speaker 14: because they redid their whole facilities there, They built bases

607
00:31:52,387 --> 00:31:54,467
Speaker 14: for them, did the whole lot. We wouldn't have done

608
00:31:54,507 --> 00:31:57,987
Speaker 14: that for them. And you've got to understand too that

609
00:31:58,067 --> 00:32:03,867
Speaker 14: the competitors by Enios is partner with the Mercedes Formula

610
00:32:03,907 --> 00:32:08,667
Speaker 14: One team and Olingi with Red Bull Formula one racing.

611
00:32:09,027 --> 00:32:11,027
Speaker 14: So you've got some big boys out there with huge

612
00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:13,867
Speaker 14: budgets and you're talking like you are in Formula One.

613
00:32:13,867 --> 00:32:17,627
Speaker 14: You're talking seconds here and there per beat to win

614
00:32:17,707 --> 00:32:21,107
Speaker 14: this Cup. So we needed the funding and he just

615
00:32:21,147 --> 00:32:23,467
Speaker 14: could not get it out of New Zealand. That's the

616
00:32:23,507 --> 00:32:26,347
Speaker 14: simple facts of it. And I know a fear bit

617
00:32:26,347 --> 00:32:28,547
Speaker 14: about it because we do the hydraulics on Team New Zealand.

618
00:32:28,547 --> 00:32:31,987
Speaker 14: We've done it since nineteen ninety five, and we provided

619
00:32:31,987 --> 00:32:35,387
Speaker 14: the Holly hydraulic systems for those foil cant systems. The

620
00:32:35,387 --> 00:32:38,107
Speaker 14: wings come up for all of the boats, were on

621
00:32:38,147 --> 00:32:41,227
Speaker 14: all the challenger boats, and you know, they've got to

622
00:32:41,227 --> 00:32:44,227
Speaker 14: reflect on the fact that New Zealanders are quite involved

623
00:32:44,307 --> 00:32:47,187
Speaker 14: in those boats still. All the masts are built in

624
00:32:47,267 --> 00:32:51,027
Speaker 14: New Zealand for every competitor and team New Zealand, and

625
00:32:51,067 --> 00:32:53,787
Speaker 14: there's lots of other stuff that's going on that's feeding

626
00:32:53,827 --> 00:32:56,307
Speaker 14: the industry here. So I think people need to back

627
00:32:56,347 --> 00:32:57,707
Speaker 14: off of it and just have a bit of a

628
00:32:57,747 --> 00:33:01,147
Speaker 14: hard think about it. What would they think now if

629
00:33:01,187 --> 00:33:03,427
Speaker 14: this government had skepped up one dred to one hundred

630
00:33:03,427 --> 00:33:07,027
Speaker 14: and fifty million dollars in cash, because that was the

631
00:33:07,067 --> 00:33:10,067
Speaker 14: one hundred million people keep talking about last time, wasn't cash.

632
00:33:10,747 --> 00:33:14,747
Speaker 14: It was goods in kind in terms of some facilities,

633
00:33:14,747 --> 00:33:17,067
Speaker 14: and that's with no hard cash to build a boat

634
00:33:17,147 --> 00:33:20,187
Speaker 14: or pay the team. So if we were in a

635
00:33:20,227 --> 00:33:23,107
Speaker 14: situation now where this government had shelled out one hundred

636
00:33:23,107 --> 00:33:25,467
Speaker 14: and fifty million dollars in cash for a boat race,

637
00:33:26,267 --> 00:33:29,147
Speaker 14: I'm sure people would be really really hacked off when

638
00:33:29,187 --> 00:33:30,907
Speaker 14: they can't get into houses and that sort of in

639
00:33:31,067 --> 00:33:33,747
Speaker 14: New Zealand. So I think we need just to chill

640
00:33:33,787 --> 00:33:37,667
Speaker 14: out here enjoy it. It's a great spectacle. I don't

641
00:33:37,667 --> 00:33:39,427
Speaker 14: know where it's going to go next, but it's going

642
00:33:39,507 --> 00:33:41,587
Speaker 14: to be the same sort of money to defend it

643
00:33:41,627 --> 00:33:45,707
Speaker 14: again because Link's in for the second for the next round,

644
00:33:45,907 --> 00:33:49,347
Speaker 14: and they've got huge pockets and in the offs, I'm

645
00:33:49,387 --> 00:33:50,867
Speaker 14: sure they're not going to end it up because it's

646
00:33:50,907 --> 00:33:53,307
Speaker 14: a personal thing for the Bricks to get the cut

647
00:33:53,387 --> 00:33:55,987
Speaker 14: back again and the Americans are really keen to get

648
00:33:55,987 --> 00:33:58,067
Speaker 14: it as well. So there's going to be a lot

649
00:33:58,067 --> 00:34:00,867
Speaker 14: of money spent on these boats going forward to the

650
00:34:00,907 --> 00:34:03,067
Speaker 14: next challenge. So good luck to send the zem and

651
00:34:03,067 --> 00:34:04,507
Speaker 14: they seem to be going all right at the moment,

652
00:34:04,547 --> 00:34:07,467
Speaker 14: but as you see a boats shut down because of

653
00:34:07,747 --> 00:34:11,827
Speaker 14: electronic failures and that's something. And also American Magic had

654
00:34:11,827 --> 00:34:13,867
Speaker 14: a hydraulic ram go at the back of the boat.

655
00:34:13,947 --> 00:34:19,787
Speaker 14: I think today it was a ram and stopped. So yeah,

656
00:34:20,147 --> 00:34:22,507
Speaker 14: just reflect on the fact that we've got a fantastic boat.

657
00:34:22,547 --> 00:34:25,227
Speaker 14: Our boat was built here. Our team is like one

658
00:34:25,307 --> 00:34:28,387
Speaker 14: hundred and thirty to one hundred and fifty people. They

659
00:34:28,427 --> 00:34:31,787
Speaker 14: built that boat over a whole lot of months. And

660
00:34:32,067 --> 00:34:34,507
Speaker 14: also the ac forty boats. We do all the hoses

661
00:34:34,547 --> 00:34:38,387
Speaker 14: on those and on the chase, so there's a lot

662
00:34:38,387 --> 00:34:41,907
Speaker 14: of money being spent here, don't you worry? And it's

663
00:34:41,947 --> 00:34:45,227
Speaker 14: just a pity that maybe maybe there's a changing government,

664
00:34:45,227 --> 00:34:48,147
Speaker 14: maybe they will see that it's a great spectacle for

665
00:34:48,227 --> 00:34:50,627
Speaker 14: tourism for New Zealand. But it is a boat race

666
00:34:50,667 --> 00:34:54,347
Speaker 14: and you've got to ask yourself. People prepared to accept

667
00:34:54,347 --> 00:34:56,627
Speaker 14: that it's going to cost, you know, one fifty million

668
00:34:56,787 --> 00:34:59,467
Speaker 14: plus to defend it successfully?

669
00:35:00,147 --> 00:35:02,587
Speaker 2: Great context, Lee, Thanks for calling mate, I really appreciate you.

670
00:35:02,907 --> 00:35:04,627
Speaker 2: Just before you go, what does you got tell you

671
00:35:04,667 --> 00:35:06,067
Speaker 2: if you had to call it one while or the other.

672
00:35:06,347 --> 00:35:07,387
Speaker 2: Do you ever see it back here?

673
00:35:08,987 --> 00:35:11,147
Speaker 14: I don't think so, because we just went front with

674
00:35:11,227 --> 00:35:20,347
Speaker 14: the money, and also we've got to win it, got

675
00:35:20,347 --> 00:35:20,907
Speaker 14: to defend it.

676
00:35:20,987 --> 00:35:21,427
Speaker 2: I mean.

677
00:35:23,227 --> 00:35:25,747
Speaker 14: We should be hard to beat, but you have to

678
00:35:25,747 --> 00:35:29,467
Speaker 14: have a few issues on one or two races and

679
00:35:29,907 --> 00:35:33,107
Speaker 14: you know you're you're in trouble. So here's a long

680
00:35:33,147 --> 00:35:34,907
Speaker 14: way to go yet, don't you worry. And all those

681
00:35:34,947 --> 00:35:39,707
Speaker 14: boats improved all the time. Someone's got a really fast

682
00:35:39,747 --> 00:35:42,667
Speaker 14: boat there. They haven't revealed everything, I'm sure, and I

683
00:35:42,747 --> 00:35:44,747
Speaker 14: just hope it's our boat, which is the real fast one.

684
00:35:45,227 --> 00:35:48,307
Speaker 2: Good man, thanks me, cool mate, really appreciate it. Okay,

685
00:35:48,867 --> 00:35:53,187
Speaker 2: oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty own number, Joey, Hi, yeah.

686
00:35:53,107 --> 00:35:55,507
Speaker 15: Get a pointing. Yeah, Pete made a very good point

687
00:35:56,307 --> 00:35:58,507
Speaker 15: just then, without a doubt. But I look at it

688
00:35:58,547 --> 00:36:02,267
Speaker 15: too this way, Why won't it if you want it,

689
00:36:02,307 --> 00:36:03,827
Speaker 15: and it's not going to come back to New zeal

690
00:36:03,867 --> 00:36:09,707
Speaker 15: And to disappointment and big times, you know. I mean,

691
00:36:09,707 --> 00:36:12,227
Speaker 15: hopefully if we do one at this time, we can

692
00:36:12,347 --> 00:36:14,747
Speaker 15: come back here and we can front the money. Because

693
00:36:15,107 --> 00:36:17,267
Speaker 15: it's like it's I look at a lot of us.

694
00:36:17,307 --> 00:36:20,707
Speaker 15: It's like having a race horse and it wins in

695
00:36:21,187 --> 00:36:23,907
Speaker 15: Australia or and wins overseas and you never get to

696
00:36:23,907 --> 00:36:25,947
Speaker 15: see it, but it went, but it wins, you know

697
00:36:25,987 --> 00:36:27,827
Speaker 15: what I mean, all that, all the all blacks winning,

698
00:36:27,987 --> 00:36:30,587
Speaker 15: he never comes, never come back to sen to watch them,

699
00:36:30,787 --> 00:36:34,347
Speaker 15: you know, pointing, And it's tough. It's money makes you

700
00:36:34,387 --> 00:36:36,987
Speaker 15: will go around and it's the money thing. If we

701
00:36:37,027 --> 00:36:40,507
Speaker 15: win it now, if we win it now that they

702
00:36:40,547 --> 00:36:43,027
Speaker 15: reckon it could go to sort in Saudi Arabia. So

703
00:36:43,067 --> 00:36:45,067
Speaker 15: it's not going to come back to you. So it's lost.

704
00:36:45,067 --> 00:36:47,147
Speaker 15: It's it's lost its gloss. That's house.

705
00:36:47,147 --> 00:36:47,787
Speaker 13: I'm concerned.

706
00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:50,987
Speaker 15: I mean, I love Peter Blake and that was fantastic

707
00:36:51,067 --> 00:36:56,107
Speaker 15: and Kaysed seven that was brilliant. Mate watching Deven Chris Dixon,

708
00:36:56,187 --> 00:36:59,387
Speaker 15: that was incredible. And then you know, and then even

709
00:36:59,427 --> 00:37:01,227
Speaker 15: when we when we lost it, we were eight one

710
00:37:01,707 --> 00:37:03,987
Speaker 15: ate one up and we lost. You know, that was heartbreaking,

711
00:37:04,027 --> 00:37:06,547
Speaker 15: but it was fantastic to watch. And then it come

712
00:37:06,547 --> 00:37:08,907
Speaker 15: back to New Zealand and it's an author and I'm

713
00:37:08,907 --> 00:37:11,707
Speaker 15: from Orphan, you know, and it was fantastic the viaduct

714
00:37:11,747 --> 00:37:17,547
Speaker 15: and now it's gone away, it's lost its cloth. It's yeah, okay,

715
00:37:17,587 --> 00:37:20,027
Speaker 15: if we want it, if we want to race it

716
00:37:20,067 --> 00:37:22,547
Speaker 15: back in New Zealand, because what if the Yanks want it?

717
00:37:23,107 --> 00:37:25,027
Speaker 15: You think they're going to race it somewhere else other

718
00:37:25,107 --> 00:37:27,307
Speaker 15: than other than America. I know they're a lot bigger,

719
00:37:27,627 --> 00:37:30,107
Speaker 15: but do you think you know, so try to race

720
00:37:30,147 --> 00:37:33,187
Speaker 15: it back in New Zealand without it. Otherwise you just

721
00:37:33,547 --> 00:37:36,667
Speaker 15: everyone just will complain say, oh they're just yochtis and

722
00:37:36,747 --> 00:37:38,627
Speaker 15: getting big money and all that sort of stuff. But

723
00:37:38,667 --> 00:37:41,267
Speaker 15: if you bring it back down here and try to

724
00:37:41,307 --> 00:37:43,387
Speaker 15: set something up where we have to race it in

725
00:37:43,627 --> 00:37:47,947
Speaker 15: here for its next one, that'd be fantastic. That's how

726
00:37:47,987 --> 00:37:50,427
Speaker 15: I say it. I mean, what about yourself you said

727
00:37:50,547 --> 00:37:51,107
Speaker 15: like that, I.

728
00:37:51,027 --> 00:37:55,467
Speaker 2: Mean, Joey, I absolutely sympathize. Well, not something that's wrong.

729
00:37:55,507 --> 00:37:56,827
Speaker 10: Word. I am in.

730
00:37:58,427 --> 00:38:01,467
Speaker 2: A large part in agreement with you. Absolutely. I look

731
00:38:02,067 --> 00:38:04,387
Speaker 2: if I think if any of us had the choice

732
00:38:04,467 --> 00:38:06,547
Speaker 2: of whether it was raced here or raced off or

733
00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:08,827
Speaker 2: we'd all say here. Of course we would because it's

734
00:38:08,827 --> 00:38:11,347
Speaker 2: here and we get excited like you. You know, if

735
00:38:11,347 --> 00:38:13,587
Speaker 2: we knew, for example, that if Team New Zealand won

736
00:38:13,627 --> 00:38:16,227
Speaker 2: it in Barcelona, that Dy'd said, Hey, if we win it,

737
00:38:16,387 --> 00:38:18,427
Speaker 2: we're going to defend it in New Zealand's there would

738
00:38:18,467 --> 00:38:22,387
Speaker 2: be exponentially more connection with the team. If we knew

739
00:38:22,387 --> 00:38:26,227
Speaker 2: they were bringing it back in when twenty twenty seven

740
00:38:26,307 --> 00:38:28,827
Speaker 2: or whenever it was for the thirty eighth America's Cup.

741
00:38:28,987 --> 00:38:30,707
Speaker 2: If we knew that, we would all be a lot

742
00:38:30,747 --> 00:38:33,107
Speaker 2: more connected. The fact that it's been taken off shore

743
00:38:33,147 --> 00:38:35,867
Speaker 2: with no guarantee it'll be back is absolutely going to

744
00:38:35,867 --> 00:38:38,747
Speaker 2: cause a disconnect. But I marry up that with what

745
00:38:38,947 --> 00:38:42,027
Speaker 2: we heard from Lee, the previous caller, in terms of

746
00:38:42,707 --> 00:38:46,267
Speaker 2: the realistic nature of the dollars and cents involved, and

747
00:38:46,307 --> 00:38:49,747
Speaker 2: you said it yourself. Money makes the world go around.

748
00:38:49,787 --> 00:38:52,147
Speaker 2: Be great to get different views as well. Thanks Joey.

749
00:38:52,187 --> 00:38:54,387
Speaker 2: Appreciate your call mate nine to one US Talks EB.

750
00:38:55,107 --> 00:38:56,347
Speaker 5: When it's down to the line.

751
00:38:56,627 --> 00:39:00,747
Speaker 1: You made a call on ten eighty Weekends fort with

752
00:39:01,027 --> 00:39:02,747
Speaker 1: Jason Pine News Talks MB.

753
00:39:03,547 --> 00:39:05,187
Speaker 2: Five and a half to one. You've got the last

754
00:39:05,227 --> 00:39:07,267
Speaker 2: word on this Mark You're.

755
00:39:07,107 --> 00:39:10,827
Speaker 16: Good afternoon, Boddy. I'll probably get up at the point

756
00:39:10,907 --> 00:39:15,427
Speaker 16: he end to watch it to me America's Cup change

757
00:39:15,467 --> 00:39:19,507
Speaker 16: in America board in the catamaran Raesa, Monah, New Zealand.

758
00:39:19,987 --> 00:39:22,747
Speaker 16: But I have still got interest in it. But because

759
00:39:22,747 --> 00:39:24,907
Speaker 16: I've had a finger in the pie and I've still

760
00:39:24,947 --> 00:39:28,587
Speaker 16: got my T shirt. I was on the construction crew

761
00:39:28,667 --> 00:39:32,267
Speaker 16: of Kaset five and seven at Martin Marine and Pacrenga

762
00:39:32,627 --> 00:39:36,427
Speaker 16: get Out, I have still got Yeah, I have still

763
00:39:36,467 --> 00:39:41,307
Speaker 16: got interest. But yeah, I'm still very proud of that,

764
00:39:41,827 --> 00:39:43,027
Speaker 16: very very proud.

765
00:39:43,627 --> 00:39:45,987
Speaker 2: But so you should be, Marke.

766
00:39:46,827 --> 00:39:49,827
Speaker 16: And I've still got the T shirt, the plastic fantastic.

767
00:39:51,027 --> 00:39:55,227
Speaker 2: The plastic fantastic. Yeah, I remember, I remember. I think

768
00:39:55,307 --> 00:39:58,747
Speaker 2: Cased seven's more famous, probably, but you said Case five

769
00:39:58,787 --> 00:39:59,987
Speaker 2: as well.

770
00:40:00,107 --> 00:40:04,707
Speaker 4: Was the predecessor. That was the trial boat.

771
00:40:06,547 --> 00:40:10,067
Speaker 2: Does the sorry, mart, does the T shirt still fit?

772
00:40:11,147 --> 00:40:12,187
Speaker 4: No, don't be stupid.

773
00:40:14,867 --> 00:40:17,987
Speaker 13: There was KS three, five, and seven. K said three was.

774
00:40:17,987 --> 00:40:18,747
Speaker 4: The very first one.

775
00:40:18,787 --> 00:40:21,387
Speaker 16: Then they did five and then they modified them both

776
00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:23,147
Speaker 16: in command made K.

777
00:40:23,507 --> 00:40:26,467
Speaker 2: Seven brilliant mark. Thank you, mate, Sorr. I've got to move,

778
00:40:26,507 --> 00:40:29,667
Speaker 2: but no appreciate your calls. Well, try and squeeze into it.

779
00:40:29,867 --> 00:40:31,947
Speaker 2: It might be good luck once we get to the

780
00:40:32,027 --> 00:40:35,787
Speaker 2: America's Cup, actual America's Cup race or America's Cup match

781
00:40:35,787 --> 00:40:38,547
Speaker 2: as they call it. Maybe you squeezing into your KZED

782
00:40:38,587 --> 00:40:40,667
Speaker 2: five and KZ seven T shirt might be the luck

783
00:40:40,667 --> 00:40:42,467
Speaker 2: that we need. It could be your version of the

784
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:45,747
Speaker 2: Red Sox. Karen says, pinety, my husband and I love

785
00:40:45,787 --> 00:40:48,987
Speaker 2: the America's Cup. We're not sailors. It's the history and

786
00:40:49,027 --> 00:40:51,747
Speaker 2: the fact there are keywis there. Thank you, Karen. There's

787
00:40:51,787 --> 00:40:55,507
Speaker 2: something about the America's Cup spectacular, high tech, and we're

788
00:40:55,507 --> 00:40:56,827
Speaker 2: pretty good at it. Says this one.

789
00:40:56,867 --> 00:40:57,347
Speaker 17: I love it.

790
00:41:00,067 --> 00:41:01,507
Speaker 2: I think that's about it. We've got time for off,

791
00:41:01,507 --> 00:41:03,107
Speaker 2: for which I've got a thousand more text here I

792
00:41:03,107 --> 00:41:05,347
Speaker 2: could read out, and there's some really good points being made.

793
00:41:05,347 --> 00:41:08,307
Speaker 2: A lot of people have and joyed Lee's call with

794
00:41:08,387 --> 00:41:11,747
Speaker 2: his views involved in the hydraulics in the construction of

795
00:41:11,747 --> 00:41:15,227
Speaker 2: these boats for a while now, yeah, a good exchange

796
00:41:15,267 --> 00:41:18,747
Speaker 2: of views. As always. After one, we'll shift our focus

797
00:41:18,747 --> 00:41:20,107
Speaker 2: to drugs in.

798
00:41:20,107 --> 00:41:23,187
Speaker 1: Sport, the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

799
00:41:23,267 --> 00:41:24,907
Speaker 1: on and after fields.

800
00:41:25,427 --> 00:41:28,827
Speaker 5: It's all on Wee Joe Ford with Jason Vaine on

801
00:41:28,947 --> 00:41:31,907
Speaker 5: your home of Sport US Talks.

802
00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:36,267
Speaker 2: Yes, it is one O seven. Welcome back, all, Welcome in.

803
00:41:36,467 --> 00:41:38,427
Speaker 2: This is Weekend Sport on News Talks. B We're here

804
00:41:38,507 --> 00:41:41,307
Speaker 2: until three. We being me, Jason Pine and Anna McDonald

805
00:41:41,387 --> 00:41:43,987
Speaker 2: show producer. We're in too need in this hour where

806
00:41:44,107 --> 00:41:48,507
Speaker 2: this afternoon Otago will host the unbeaten bay of plenty

807
00:41:48,547 --> 00:41:53,547
Speaker 2: Steamers in Bunning's NPC action. The curtain raiser to that game,

808
00:41:53,667 --> 00:41:56,067
Speaker 2: or the early game, shall we call it, is between

809
00:41:56,067 --> 00:41:59,427
Speaker 2: Otago and Tasman and the Fara Palmer Cup Otago twenty nine,

810
00:41:59,907 --> 00:42:03,747
Speaker 2: Tasman twenty seven with a sideline conversion for Tasman to

811
00:42:03,747 --> 00:42:07,067
Speaker 2: make it twenty nine all with four minutes to go.

812
00:42:07,187 --> 00:42:09,107
Speaker 2: We'll keep eyes very closely on that one for you.

813
00:42:09,547 --> 00:42:11,987
Speaker 2: In Pottydoor, the mother were two cyclones thirty one to

814
00:42:12,107 --> 00:42:17,027
Speaker 2: twelve ahead of the Wellington Pride at just after halftime

815
00:42:17,067 --> 00:42:21,267
Speaker 2: in their game, and the Tadanaky Fuel and North Harbor

816
00:42:21,667 --> 00:42:26,107
Speaker 2: Hibiscus have just kicked off at Yarrow Stadium. Also this

817
00:42:26,147 --> 00:42:29,307
Speaker 2: afternoon in terms of NPC, Wellington gets Monther W two

818
00:42:29,307 --> 00:42:31,427
Speaker 2: and Pottydoor a bit later on North Harbor Way Cuttle

819
00:42:31,627 --> 00:42:33,587
Speaker 2: at Albany. We'll keep eyes on all of that for you.

820
00:42:34,107 --> 00:42:37,587
Speaker 2: James mcconey this hour as well. Out of Scotland. I

821
00:42:37,587 --> 00:42:40,227
Speaker 2: think he hasn't come home yet. It's been in Paris

822
00:42:40,227 --> 00:42:43,747
Speaker 2: across to the UK. Currently in Edinburgh. I believe a

823
00:42:43,827 --> 00:42:46,427
Speaker 2: conversion miss by the way, Otaga twenty nine, Tasman twenty

824
00:42:46,427 --> 00:42:48,347
Speaker 2: seven four minutes to go under the roof and Dunedin

825
00:42:48,387 --> 00:42:51,467
Speaker 2: there and far apartmer Cup action. But one of the

826
00:42:51,467 --> 00:42:55,467
Speaker 2: more interesting stories of this week centered around the world's

827
00:42:55,787 --> 00:42:58,227
Speaker 2: number one ranked men's tennis player.

828
00:42:58,547 --> 00:43:04,507
Speaker 13: Oh the Unexcenter is the Cincinnati champion didn't think thanks

829
00:43:04,507 --> 00:43:07,867
Speaker 13: to two it is a third Masters Trophy purchase career.

830
00:43:08,987 --> 00:43:12,227
Speaker 2: It was revealed this week that Jarnick Sinner tested positive

831
00:43:12,507 --> 00:43:16,267
Speaker 2: twice in March for low levels of the band anabolic

832
00:43:16,347 --> 00:43:20,707
Speaker 2: steroid coster bowl, which can be used to build muscle mass. Now,

833
00:43:20,747 --> 00:43:23,307
Speaker 2: Sinner was stripped of his prize money and the points

834
00:43:23,307 --> 00:43:26,867
Speaker 2: he earned at the Masters tournament in Indian Wells, California,

835
00:43:27,107 --> 00:43:31,227
Speaker 2: that's where the positive test took place, but he hasn't

836
00:43:31,267 --> 00:43:36,827
Speaker 2: been suspended after an independent tribunal found it wasn't intentional. Now,

837
00:43:36,907 --> 00:43:41,747
Speaker 2: Jarickson's defense was that his fitness trainer purchased an over

838
00:43:41,787 --> 00:43:46,627
Speaker 2: the counter spray that contained coster bowl, gave it to

839
00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:50,547
Speaker 2: the physio to treat a cut on the physio's finger,

840
00:43:51,587 --> 00:43:54,627
Speaker 2: and then the physio gave Sinner a massage and in

841
00:43:54,667 --> 00:43:58,027
Speaker 2: the process of that, coster bowl found its way into

842
00:43:58,067 --> 00:44:01,747
Speaker 2: Jarick Sinner's bloodstreing. Now Yllick Senter has since fired his

843
00:44:01,827 --> 00:44:04,987
Speaker 2: physio and his fitness trainer and is free to play

844
00:44:05,027 --> 00:44:07,747
Speaker 2: at the US Open Arting next week in New York.

845
00:44:08,267 --> 00:44:11,467
Speaker 2: David Helman was directed General of the World Anti Doping

846
00:44:11,547 --> 00:44:15,067
Speaker 2: Agency WADA between August two thousand and three and July

847
00:44:15,187 --> 00:44:18,947
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and he joins us that's the explanation, David,

848
00:44:18,987 --> 00:44:21,587
Speaker 2: that it was a spray on the finger of the physio.

849
00:44:21,667 --> 00:44:24,907
Speaker 2: The physio then gave Jickson a massage and that's how

850
00:44:25,107 --> 00:44:28,507
Speaker 2: this cost. The bowl found his way into ynicks Iner's system.

851
00:44:28,547 --> 00:44:31,867
Speaker 2: Does that sound like a feasible explanation.

852
00:44:32,227 --> 00:44:35,707
Speaker 13: Well, it held up in front of a independent tribunal, Jason,

853
00:44:35,707 --> 00:44:39,387
Speaker 13: and I think that's the important component. There's no decision

854
00:44:39,467 --> 00:44:42,347
Speaker 13: taken by the tennis authorities. It's ready that which has

855
00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:46,147
Speaker 13: been handed down by an arbitration panel, and I think

856
00:44:46,187 --> 00:44:49,627
Speaker 13: that puts it a little bit to one side. Well,

857
00:44:49,667 --> 00:44:53,867
Speaker 13: I think people don't understand is that the procedure followed

858
00:44:53,907 --> 00:44:57,507
Speaker 13: in his case was one in relation to a provisional suspension.

859
00:44:58,227 --> 00:45:01,187
Speaker 13: So when an athlete test positive for a substance like

860
00:45:01,267 --> 00:45:05,107
Speaker 13: cost the bowl, which I referred to as non specified

861
00:45:05,147 --> 00:45:10,147
Speaker 13: substances in the World Code, they are told immediately of

862
00:45:10,187 --> 00:45:12,867
Speaker 13: the result and informed that they are going to be

863
00:45:12,907 --> 00:45:18,427
Speaker 13: provisionally suspended unless they protest that. And he obviously protested it,

864
00:45:18,507 --> 00:45:21,827
Speaker 13: not just once but twice and went to a tribunial

865
00:45:21,867 --> 00:45:27,867
Speaker 13: immediately and asked for Obviously he got suppression of name

866
00:45:27,907 --> 00:45:31,147
Speaker 13: as well, Jason. So that's the process that was followed

867
00:45:31,547 --> 00:45:33,987
Speaker 13: and then led to a further investigation of whether what

868
00:45:34,067 --> 00:45:37,907
Speaker 13: he was alleging was what's feasible. So there was evidence

869
00:45:37,947 --> 00:45:41,027
Speaker 13: given to the tribunal. I think sad again later in

870
00:45:41,027 --> 00:45:45,227
Speaker 13: the year and delivered a decision in August that indicated

871
00:45:45,387 --> 00:45:49,067
Speaker 13: the explanation he offered was well feasible.

872
00:45:49,627 --> 00:45:51,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what you've just outlined there that there's

873
00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:53,427
Speaker 2: been quite a bit of criticism of that from other

874
00:45:53,427 --> 00:45:56,427
Speaker 2: pies actually, that you know, when you test positive, you

875
00:45:56,427 --> 00:46:00,467
Speaker 2: should be banned until the hearing is held. In fact,

876
00:46:00,587 --> 00:46:02,387
Speaker 2: he went on to win a couple of tournaments, he

877
00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:05,267
Speaker 2: became world number one for the first time. Should he

878
00:46:05,307 --> 00:46:07,307
Speaker 2: have been suspended into all the verdict.

879
00:46:06,987 --> 00:46:11,187
Speaker 13: Was rich, Well, he would normally have been suspended, and

880
00:46:11,227 --> 00:46:14,347
Speaker 13: he protested that Jason, and so they had more than

881
00:46:14,387 --> 00:46:16,587
Speaker 13: one hearing. They would have had a hearing in the

882
00:46:16,627 --> 00:46:20,427
Speaker 13: first week of March after his first positive test, where

883
00:46:20,467 --> 00:46:25,627
Speaker 13: he protested the provisional suspension which would have been automatically applied,

884
00:46:26,187 --> 00:46:28,987
Speaker 13: and he won that, and then he had another one

885
00:46:29,187 --> 00:46:30,907
Speaker 13: I think it was on the tenth of March, which

886
00:46:30,947 --> 00:46:34,387
Speaker 13: he also protested immediately, because the notice that you get

887
00:46:34,507 --> 00:46:37,987
Speaker 13: about your positive tests says we're going to suspend you

888
00:46:38,067 --> 00:46:41,667
Speaker 13: provisionally unless we hear from you to indicate that you

889
00:46:41,787 --> 00:46:47,067
Speaker 13: protest that suspension and it's related to contamination. So that's

890
00:46:47,107 --> 00:46:49,947
Speaker 13: what happened. I think at the end, he would have

891
00:46:49,947 --> 00:46:51,107
Speaker 13: had three different hearings.

892
00:46:52,547 --> 00:46:56,307
Speaker 2: There's been a suggestion too that the latest hearing which

893
00:46:56,307 --> 00:47:01,147
Speaker 2: has cleared him happened quite quickly, fewer than five months

894
00:47:01,147 --> 00:47:04,387
Speaker 2: between the positive test and this verdict which has found

895
00:47:04,467 --> 00:47:07,787
Speaker 2: him with no fault or nekeli leigence. Would it normally

896
00:47:07,827 --> 00:47:09,507
Speaker 2: take longer than that, David.

897
00:47:10,507 --> 00:47:15,147
Speaker 13: Look, that depends on which tribunal you're using. And yes,

898
00:47:15,187 --> 00:47:18,667
Speaker 13: there are many cases that take far too long and therefore,

899
00:47:19,307 --> 00:47:21,267
Speaker 13: and a lot of those are dealt with by the

900
00:47:21,267 --> 00:47:23,627
Speaker 13: Court of Arbitration. For sport, you can wait for a year,

901
00:47:23,707 --> 00:47:28,307
Speaker 13: maybe even two years. That's not acceptable. So the body

902
00:47:28,387 --> 00:47:35,347
Speaker 13: that he went to, which is the Independent International Tennis Authority,

903
00:47:35,667 --> 00:47:38,707
Speaker 13: well it's an integrity agency. In fact, it's an independent

904
00:47:38,747 --> 00:47:43,347
Speaker 13: body from International Tennis itself. They will have provoked the

905
00:47:43,467 --> 00:47:46,947
Speaker 13: tribunal that they use to hear an urgency and that

906
00:47:46,987 --> 00:47:50,507
Speaker 13: would have bought about that result quickly rather than any delay.

907
00:47:51,427 --> 00:47:53,907
Speaker 2: J Reckan, there's any validity in the claims that it's

908
00:47:53,947 --> 00:47:57,747
Speaker 2: been expediated because expedoita rather because it's because he's number one.

909
00:47:59,187 --> 00:48:01,467
Speaker 13: Well, you can look all these things, you can sort

910
00:48:01,467 --> 00:48:04,467
Speaker 13: of make up. I can say from my experience now

911
00:48:04,707 --> 00:48:08,187
Speaker 13: with the World Athletics Integral Unit, we try to get

912
00:48:08,227 --> 00:48:11,867
Speaker 13: all our cases done as as possible and within months,

913
00:48:11,907 --> 00:48:14,987
Speaker 13: not years. So the aim of bodies which are trying

914
00:48:15,027 --> 00:48:16,707
Speaker 13: to do these things in a proper way would be

915
00:48:16,787 --> 00:48:20,067
Speaker 13: to get these things organized in front of a tribunal

916
00:48:20,107 --> 00:48:22,587
Speaker 13: as quickly as possible, and four or five months is

917
00:48:22,627 --> 00:48:25,187
Speaker 13: not sometimes as quick as I would want.

918
00:48:25,987 --> 00:48:28,547
Speaker 2: Let's assume that that this is he's telling the truth,

919
00:48:28,547 --> 00:48:31,427
Speaker 2: that this is indeed what has happened. Why would a

920
00:48:31,467 --> 00:48:32,747
Speaker 2: trainer put a player at.

921
00:48:32,787 --> 00:48:36,387
Speaker 13: Risk like that, Well, that's a good question, and I

922
00:48:36,427 --> 00:48:39,227
Speaker 13: haven't and I don't think anybody has read the decision

923
00:48:39,307 --> 00:48:42,187
Speaker 13: of the tribunal yet, not of a moast to sort

924
00:48:42,227 --> 00:48:45,547
Speaker 13: of start commenting about whether I would believe it or

925
00:48:45,587 --> 00:48:49,827
Speaker 13: not believe it. I believe the process is correct, but

926
00:48:49,867 --> 00:48:53,227
Speaker 13: we need to see why they decided it. Apparently it

927
00:48:53,347 --> 00:48:56,387
Speaker 13: was because he didn't know that the spray he was

928
00:48:56,507 --> 00:49:02,627
Speaker 13: using for his cut finger contained the cost of old component. Apparently,

929
00:49:02,987 --> 00:49:05,107
Speaker 13: and I'm not saying this is true or not, Jason.

930
00:49:06,907 --> 00:49:10,947
Speaker 13: You buy the substance the spray across the counter, and

931
00:49:11,507 --> 00:49:13,947
Speaker 13: I guess the trainer didn't look and see what was

932
00:49:13,987 --> 00:49:17,187
Speaker 13: on it, and it didn't understand that if he sprayed

933
00:49:17,187 --> 00:49:19,347
Speaker 13: his finger and then he massages so that it would

934
00:49:19,387 --> 00:49:22,467
Speaker 13: be transferred into his body. So you know, there's all

935
00:49:22,507 --> 00:49:24,867
Speaker 13: those sort of factors that you've got to look at,

936
00:49:24,947 --> 00:49:28,987
Speaker 13: how they reached the conclusion and whether you and I

937
00:49:29,107 --> 00:49:31,547
Speaker 13: and others might accept the conclusion that was reached by

938
00:49:31,547 --> 00:49:32,227
Speaker 13: the tribunal.

939
00:49:32,707 --> 00:49:35,267
Speaker 2: So they're basically pleading ignorance. I didn't I didn't know

940
00:49:35,307 --> 00:49:37,187
Speaker 2: it had cost of all in it. I didn't know

941
00:49:37,227 --> 00:49:40,947
Speaker 2: that massaging center would bring about this result. In your

942
00:49:40,987 --> 00:49:44,787
Speaker 2: experience of these things, how often is ignorance real or

943
00:49:44,827 --> 00:49:47,267
Speaker 2: otherwise used as a defense.

944
00:49:48,467 --> 00:49:50,987
Speaker 13: Well, it has been used a lot and not accepted

945
00:49:51,027 --> 00:49:53,627
Speaker 13: a lot. So you know, you've got some athlete who

946
00:49:53,667 --> 00:49:58,667
Speaker 13: have raised it, who have been denied by tribunals. And

947
00:49:58,787 --> 00:50:00,707
Speaker 13: I think there's a bit of a trend now for

948
00:50:00,827 --> 00:50:05,267
Speaker 13: people to raise contamination as a possibility. Some of this

949
00:50:05,387 --> 00:50:08,187
Speaker 13: leads from the recent World decision in relation to the

950
00:50:08,267 --> 00:50:11,987
Speaker 13: Chinese swims, and so it's going to be something I

951
00:50:12,027 --> 00:50:14,867
Speaker 13: think we confront on a more regular basis. As to

952
00:50:15,307 --> 00:50:20,027
Speaker 13: a number one player being receiving any preference, I don't

953
00:50:20,027 --> 00:50:22,187
Speaker 13: think that holds too much for us, but I think

954
00:50:22,787 --> 00:50:26,067
Speaker 13: the water is put into the substance of it by

955
00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:28,147
Speaker 13: the fact that he was able to get pretty good

956
00:50:28,587 --> 00:50:33,467
Speaker 13: information from lawyers and experts quickly, and that requires money,

957
00:50:33,467 --> 00:50:35,307
Speaker 13: and he probably got more money than some of the

958
00:50:35,347 --> 00:50:36,547
Speaker 13: lard great players.

959
00:50:37,347 --> 00:50:40,267
Speaker 2: Again, if we assume, you know, for the sake of argument,

960
00:50:40,307 --> 00:50:44,027
Speaker 2: that he's telling the truth, there has to be some

961
00:50:44,067 --> 00:50:48,907
Speaker 2: sort of structure in place that allows him to go free,

962
00:50:48,947 --> 00:50:51,907
Speaker 2: if you like, because if this really has happened, he's

963
00:50:51,907 --> 00:50:54,507
Speaker 2: not at fault. He might have been slightly negligent, as

964
00:50:54,507 --> 00:50:57,387
Speaker 2: may have been his trainer or messus or whoever it was.

965
00:50:57,467 --> 00:51:00,427
Speaker 2: But there has to be some sort of logical process

966
00:51:00,467 --> 00:51:02,507
Speaker 2: here to say, Okay, you weren't trying to cheat the system,

967
00:51:02,707 --> 00:51:05,347
Speaker 2: You're not trying to gain any advantage here, You're free

968
00:51:05,387 --> 00:51:05,627
Speaker 2: to go.

969
00:51:06,907 --> 00:51:10,147
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think the process is there. My concern is

970
00:51:10,187 --> 00:51:14,827
Speaker 13: the course that when you publish the result, sometimes the

971
00:51:14,907 --> 00:51:17,907
Speaker 13: decision is not published alongside it. And I really think

972
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:20,547
Speaker 13: if you had the decision with all the information relating

973
00:51:20,587 --> 00:51:23,267
Speaker 13: to the evidence that was given to the tribunal and

974
00:51:23,307 --> 00:51:26,027
Speaker 13: so forth, then the public will be in a better place.

975
00:51:26,707 --> 00:51:29,707
Speaker 13: My real concern about what goes on in antidoping nowadays

976
00:51:29,747 --> 00:51:33,747
Speaker 13: is there's too much hut in behind decisions and very

977
00:51:33,747 --> 00:51:36,867
Speaker 13: few decisions that are actually published, and that leads to

978
00:51:36,987 --> 00:51:39,987
Speaker 13: distrust not only of the system by athletes but also

979
00:51:40,027 --> 00:51:43,787
Speaker 13: by the public. And my view now, and obviously I've

980
00:51:43,787 --> 00:51:46,547
Speaker 13: been around for a while, Jason, but you don't realize

981
00:51:46,547 --> 00:51:48,907
Speaker 13: that the public doesn't have as much information as they

982
00:51:48,947 --> 00:51:51,947
Speaker 13: would need to form a view, and they should be

983
00:51:51,947 --> 00:51:54,387
Speaker 13: given it. Why don't it not just the athletes that

984
00:51:54,467 --> 00:51:54,787
Speaker 13: need it?

985
00:51:55,667 --> 00:51:57,667
Speaker 2: Why aren't those results automatically published?

986
00:51:59,347 --> 00:52:02,987
Speaker 13: The arbitration process that says you don't publish decisions reached

987
00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:07,987
Speaker 13: and arbitration decisions unless both parties agree. Now, one example

988
00:52:08,067 --> 00:52:11,707
Speaker 13: of where it hasn't been put out there in the

989
00:52:11,707 --> 00:52:14,387
Speaker 13: public is the hall Up case, also a tennis matter,

990
00:52:15,067 --> 00:52:17,707
Speaker 13: where she went through quite a long process to get

991
00:52:17,747 --> 00:52:20,627
Speaker 13: to the stage of being exonerated, but the decision of

992
00:52:20,907 --> 00:52:23,587
Speaker 13: exonerating it who still hasn't been published. It was made

993
00:52:23,587 --> 00:52:24,067
Speaker 13: in March.

994
00:52:25,667 --> 00:52:28,307
Speaker 2: A billionth of a gram is what's being reported here?

995
00:52:28,347 --> 00:52:30,787
Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like a lot. That's a decimal point.

996
00:52:30,987 --> 00:52:34,547
Speaker 2: Then eight zero's before you reach the one. Should the

997
00:52:34,547 --> 00:52:35,987
Speaker 2: threshold be a bit higher, David?

998
00:52:38,067 --> 00:52:41,227
Speaker 13: That's not even a pin there, is it? So they've

999
00:52:41,227 --> 00:52:45,147
Speaker 13: got to look and say is that warranted, and look

1000
00:52:45,187 --> 00:52:48,667
Speaker 13: at the reporting levels that are required for certain substances.

1001
00:52:49,547 --> 00:52:52,547
Speaker 13: The reason that they do go go to minute sort

1002
00:52:52,587 --> 00:52:56,747
Speaker 13: of levels is because otherwise players can dope, you know,

1003
00:52:56,907 --> 00:53:00,547
Speaker 13: three months ago, and it's still in their system when

1004
00:53:00,547 --> 00:53:03,787
Speaker 13: they're tested three months after they've taken it. That doesn't

1005
00:53:03,827 --> 00:53:05,907
Speaker 13: indicate they only had a little bit. It might indicate

1006
00:53:05,947 --> 00:53:07,347
Speaker 13: that they have the heck of a lot. It's out

1007
00:53:07,347 --> 00:53:10,787
Speaker 13: of their system. So you've got to draw a balance,

1008
00:53:10,827 --> 00:53:15,507
Speaker 13: I suppose, between minute results and the fact that this person,

1009
00:53:15,667 --> 00:53:18,507
Speaker 13: the athlete, might have been doping for a while and

1010
00:53:18,747 --> 00:53:20,427
Speaker 13: it's gone mostly out of their system.

1011
00:53:20,867 --> 00:53:21,067
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1012
00:53:21,147 --> 00:53:23,227
Speaker 2: Good point. And there is a right of appeal here

1013
00:53:23,387 --> 00:53:26,587
Speaker 2: to war to buy the International Tennis Integrity Agency. Do

1014
00:53:26,627 --> 00:53:28,707
Speaker 2: you think that'll be exercised?

1015
00:53:29,947 --> 00:53:32,427
Speaker 13: Well, I wouldn't want to guess, but they certainly indicated

1016
00:53:32,507 --> 00:53:35,747
Speaker 13: in the case of a recent American one hundred meter

1017
00:53:35,827 --> 00:53:38,227
Speaker 13: sprinter that they were going to appeal as soon as

1018
00:53:38,267 --> 00:53:42,147
Speaker 13: they heard the initial decision, and that has now been

1019
00:53:42,387 --> 00:53:46,387
Speaker 13: appealed by World Athletics. We haven't heard whether they're going

1020
00:53:46,427 --> 00:53:48,987
Speaker 13: to do that yet or not. As well as this one,

1021
00:53:49,227 --> 00:53:51,227
Speaker 13: I think what you have to remember is they need

1022
00:53:51,227 --> 00:53:54,787
Speaker 13: to get the case file and read all the information

1023
00:53:54,867 --> 00:53:58,627
Speaker 13: on it, including all the affidavits relating to the people

1024
00:53:58,667 --> 00:54:01,947
Speaker 13: giving evidence and the decision before they say, Okay, this

1025
00:54:02,027 --> 00:54:03,387
Speaker 13: is one we're going to have a crack at.

1026
00:54:04,147 --> 00:54:07,067
Speaker 2: And as far as johnick Center is concerned, what reception

1027
00:54:07,147 --> 00:54:09,787
Speaker 2: do you expect him to get? Both from this you know,

1028
00:54:09,827 --> 00:54:11,907
Speaker 2: all the professionals on the tour who he mixes with,

1029
00:54:12,027 --> 00:54:14,347
Speaker 2: we can weak out and I guess from crowds as

1030
00:54:14,347 --> 00:54:17,267
Speaker 2: well at the upcoming US Open and beyond.

1031
00:54:18,227 --> 00:54:21,027
Speaker 13: Well, some of it will depends on the views that

1032
00:54:21,067 --> 00:54:23,667
Speaker 13: people hold, and people have different views for different reasons.

1033
00:54:23,667 --> 00:54:26,147
Speaker 13: And I'm sure you'll could be confronted by those who

1034
00:54:26,627 --> 00:54:28,707
Speaker 13: support him and those who probably think that he got

1035
00:54:28,707 --> 00:54:29,987
Speaker 13: a pretty easy run.

1036
00:54:30,987 --> 00:54:31,467
Speaker 4: You can't.

1037
00:54:31,707 --> 00:54:35,067
Speaker 13: You can't tell people how to receive things. You've got

1038
00:54:35,067 --> 00:54:37,427
Speaker 13: to wait and see how they react to the information

1039
00:54:37,467 --> 00:54:40,067
Speaker 13: they've got. And my concern is they don't have enough.

1040
00:54:40,787 --> 00:54:42,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, that seems to be at the nub of this.

1041
00:54:42,307 --> 00:54:45,387
Speaker 2: If we were all privy to everything we needed to

1042
00:54:45,467 --> 00:54:47,627
Speaker 2: know to make a fully formed decision, it might be

1043
00:54:48,187 --> 00:54:50,947
Speaker 2: slightly less problematic. David, thanks for lending us your expertise

1044
00:54:50,987 --> 00:54:52,387
Speaker 2: this afternoon. Really interesting stuff.

1045
00:54:52,387 --> 00:54:53,867
Speaker 13: Thank you, Jas.

1046
00:54:54,067 --> 00:54:56,707
Speaker 2: Thanks David David Hellman, the former Director General of WADA.

1047
00:54:56,867 --> 00:54:58,987
Speaker 2: Of course, I mean there wouldn't be too many people

1048
00:54:58,987 --> 00:55:00,747
Speaker 2: who know more about this sort of thing than David Helman.

1049
00:55:03,147 --> 00:55:09,027
Speaker 2: Perhaps predictably, this has led to quite a bit of backlash,

1050
00:55:09,107 --> 00:55:13,907
Speaker 2: particularly I have to say, from Jnicksoner's fellow tennis professionals,

1051
00:55:13,947 --> 00:55:17,027
Speaker 2: both on the fact that the process seemed to happen

1052
00:55:17,107 --> 00:55:21,307
Speaker 2: quite quickly by comparison to others, where some tennis players

1053
00:55:21,627 --> 00:55:24,187
Speaker 2: have had to wait over a year for their hearings.

1054
00:55:24,987 --> 00:55:30,227
Speaker 2: And while you can obviously protest your provisional suspension and

1055
00:55:30,307 --> 00:55:33,427
Speaker 2: be allowed to play on while the evidence has gathered,

1056
00:55:33,467 --> 00:55:36,907
Speaker 2: and while that you know before you you have the hearing,

1057
00:55:38,347 --> 00:55:41,427
Speaker 2: this has happened, by comparison to a lot of other

1058
00:55:42,187 --> 00:55:45,787
Speaker 2: cases which are of a similar nature, pretty quickly five

1059
00:55:45,867 --> 00:55:48,907
Speaker 2: months between the positive test and the hearing and the verdict.

1060
00:55:49,587 --> 00:55:51,947
Speaker 2: As I say, it's taken more than twice as long

1061
00:55:52,027 --> 00:55:55,387
Speaker 2: for other similar cases. Nick Kurrios, who's never short of

1062
00:55:55,427 --> 00:56:00,027
Speaker 2: a word, has come out quite strongly here. He took

1063
00:56:00,067 --> 00:56:03,827
Speaker 2: to social media and this was Nick Curios's tweet. If

1064
00:56:03,867 --> 00:56:08,307
Speaker 2: we can still call it that ridiculous whether it was

1065
00:56:08,387 --> 00:56:12,787
Speaker 2: accidental or planned. You get tested twice with a band steroid,

1066
00:56:13,067 --> 00:56:16,787
Speaker 2: you should be gone for two years. Your performance was enhanced,

1067
00:56:17,147 --> 00:56:22,267
Speaker 2: Masha a massage cream? Yeah, nice, says Nick Curios. Just

1068
00:56:22,347 --> 00:56:24,827
Speaker 2: I guess the Australian version of year right, the two

1069
00:56:24,907 --> 00:56:30,747
Speaker 2: we billboard. I don't know that there's any suggestion of

1070
00:56:32,307 --> 00:56:37,627
Speaker 2: performance enhancement here. One billionth of a gram. And that's like,

1071
00:56:37,667 --> 00:56:39,787
Speaker 2: It's why I asked David the question about that is

1072
00:56:40,627 --> 00:56:42,467
Speaker 2: it feels to me as though this is what's happened

1073
00:56:43,067 --> 00:56:44,907
Speaker 2: A hover above this, and I think it was Okay,

1074
00:56:45,067 --> 00:56:50,827
Speaker 2: This sounds like a feasible explanation, right, and if it

1075
00:56:50,867 --> 00:56:54,107
Speaker 2: can be proved through affidaeviords and through evidence and that

1076
00:56:54,147 --> 00:56:58,307
Speaker 2: sort of thing, that yes, this spray that the guy

1077
00:56:58,347 --> 00:57:00,867
Speaker 2: who did the massage used on his the cut on

1078
00:57:00,907 --> 00:57:05,867
Speaker 2: his finger and then massaged Jarnick Sinner and the band

1079
00:57:05,947 --> 00:57:10,347
Speaker 2: substance found its way into his system. That sounds feasible.

1080
00:57:10,827 --> 00:57:12,907
Speaker 2: But then as I'm saying it, I think to myself,

1081
00:57:13,147 --> 00:57:14,827
Speaker 2: it's the kind of thing you'd say if you were

1082
00:57:14,867 --> 00:57:18,987
Speaker 2: trying to make an excuse. You know, it's not exactly

1083
00:57:19,067 --> 00:57:24,707
Speaker 2: the dog ate my homework, but it's maybe it is

1084
00:57:24,747 --> 00:57:25,387
Speaker 2: far fetched.

1085
00:57:25,427 --> 00:57:25,827
Speaker 14: I don't know.

1086
00:57:27,987 --> 00:57:30,667
Speaker 2: I don't know, Tim says Pinety, I don't care what

1087
00:57:30,707 --> 00:57:33,547
Speaker 2: you say. Drugs and sport is cheating. No, it's no,

1088
00:57:33,667 --> 00:57:36,107
Speaker 2: buts he should be banned rules or rules. What's good

1089
00:57:36,147 --> 00:57:39,827
Speaker 2: for everyone is good for him. Sounds like favoritism to me.

1090
00:57:40,787 --> 00:57:42,427
Speaker 2: You got to boot him out and set an example.

1091
00:57:42,547 --> 00:57:44,307
Speaker 2: Drugs or no drugs. He's been found out. He needs

1092
00:57:44,347 --> 00:57:47,747
Speaker 2: to be punished. Well, it is stright. I mean, it's

1093
00:57:47,787 --> 00:57:50,947
Speaker 2: not beyond. It's not in dispute that it was found

1094
00:57:50,987 --> 00:57:53,547
Speaker 2: in his system. It was found in a system. This

1095
00:57:54,147 --> 00:57:58,227
Speaker 2: cost the bowl. But like I say, if, as I

1096
00:57:58,227 --> 00:58:00,867
Speaker 2: said to David, if this is what's happened, if he's

1097
00:58:01,347 --> 00:58:07,627
Speaker 2: unknowingly had this substance transferred into his bloodstream through something

1098
00:58:07,667 --> 00:58:10,067
Speaker 2: which is no fault of his and with absolutely no

1099
00:58:10,187 --> 00:58:13,147
Speaker 2: intent to enhance his performance, then there has to be

1100
00:58:13,187 --> 00:58:16,627
Speaker 2: a method by which he is exonerated. He is, you know,

1101
00:58:17,307 --> 00:58:22,107
Speaker 2: let off, because he hasn't done anything wrong, has he

1102
00:58:22,107 --> 00:58:24,827
Speaker 2: He's just asked for a massage. He's fired as mass house.

1103
00:58:24,827 --> 00:58:29,107
Speaker 2: By the way, his trainer and is his physio. They've

1104
00:58:29,107 --> 00:58:32,347
Speaker 2: both been given the boot. Be interesting to see the

1105
00:58:32,867 --> 00:58:37,387
Speaker 2: reception Yarnick Sinner gets at Flushing Meadows when the US

1106
00:58:37,427 --> 00:58:39,107
Speaker 2: oping gets underway, he's got to be one of the favorites.

1107
00:58:39,187 --> 00:58:40,147
Speaker 2: He's number one seed.

1108
00:58:41,707 --> 00:58:41,907
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1109
00:58:41,907 --> 00:58:45,387
Speaker 2: I think there's a bit of a bit of chat

1110
00:58:45,427 --> 00:58:49,427
Speaker 2: around the professional tennis fraternity that there is definitely a

1111
00:58:49,427 --> 00:58:52,587
Speaker 2: double standard at play here because he is who he is.

1112
00:58:56,387 --> 00:58:57,707
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the rugby that's going on

1113
00:58:57,707 --> 00:59:00,147
Speaker 2: at the moment, Manther. We're two forty three twenty four

1114
00:59:00,227 --> 00:59:02,667
Speaker 2: ahead of Wellington with fifteen minutes to go at Pottido,

1115
00:59:02,707 --> 00:59:05,827
Speaker 2: a park real points fest playing out there to follow

1116
00:59:05,867 --> 00:59:11,547
Speaker 2: as the men's equivalent Wellington against Manawatu. What else we

1117
00:59:11,627 --> 00:59:15,067
Speaker 2: got here in terms of the Farah Palmer Cup, Otago'

1118
00:59:15,107 --> 00:59:18,427
Speaker 2: beaten Tasman thirty four to twenty seven, and North Harbor

1119
00:59:18,507 --> 00:59:22,267
Speaker 2: are nineteen nill ahead of Tartanaki with about twenty minutes

1120
00:59:22,307 --> 00:59:27,627
Speaker 2: gone in their game. Bunning's MPC this afternoon, the game

1121
00:59:27,667 --> 00:59:30,627
Speaker 2: that we're going to preview shortly as Otago Bay of Plenty.

1122
00:59:31,267 --> 00:59:32,747
Speaker 2: Bay of Plenty have had a really good start of

1123
00:59:32,747 --> 00:59:35,027
Speaker 2: the season. They've won three from three. Otago lost their

1124
00:59:35,027 --> 00:59:38,307
Speaker 2: first game against their southern neighbors, the Stags, but then

1125
00:59:38,347 --> 00:59:41,827
Speaker 2: bet Auckland last time out, so they must feel like

1126
00:59:42,067 --> 00:59:45,067
Speaker 2: a pretty good chance of stopping the Steamers in their tracks.

1127
00:59:45,147 --> 00:59:47,827
Speaker 2: Under the roof and Dneedin this afternoon, Paul Allison's going

1128
00:59:47,867 --> 00:59:50,467
Speaker 2: to call this one for us on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio.

1129
00:59:50,747 --> 00:59:53,027
Speaker 2: We'll get his match preview when we come back on

1130
00:59:53,027 --> 00:59:53,627
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport.

1131
00:59:54,307 --> 00:59:57,867
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1132
00:59:58,027 --> 01:00:03,187
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1133
01:00:02,907 --> 01:00:06,667
Speaker 2: Talksb News Talks to Dunedin shortly one twins He ate

1134
01:00:06,707 --> 01:00:08,747
Speaker 2: a few texts on the Yannick Sinner thing. If it

1135
01:00:08,747 --> 01:00:11,347
Speaker 2: was Novak would be screaming for his head. If it

1136
01:00:11,387 --> 01:00:14,187
Speaker 2: was Roger Federer, it would be an understandable mishappen. These

1137
01:00:14,187 --> 01:00:18,907
Speaker 2: things happen, says Murray. Yeah, that's that's interesting that it's

1138
01:00:18,947 --> 01:00:22,227
Speaker 2: that the person involved is often a big part of

1139
01:00:22,267 --> 01:00:24,787
Speaker 2: the story, a big part of the story. If he

1140
01:00:24,827 --> 01:00:27,347
Speaker 2: was positive for crack cocaine, would it be different? I

1141
01:00:27,387 --> 01:00:29,907
Speaker 2: think so. A banned substance is a banned substance, period

1142
01:00:29,947 --> 01:00:32,907
Speaker 2: says Nick. And it also reminded me of this. Do

1143
01:00:32,947 --> 01:00:36,347
Speaker 2: you remember the Mark Nielson case, the Kiwi Mark Neilson

1144
01:00:36,827 --> 01:00:40,627
Speaker 2: who was banned for two years because it was he

1145
01:00:40,707 --> 01:00:43,027
Speaker 2: had a banned substance found in his system, and it

1146
01:00:43,107 --> 01:00:49,907
Speaker 2: was because he was taking a hair loss treatment, an

1147
01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:53,987
Speaker 2: anti balding medication, and he was too embarrassed to bring

1148
01:00:54,067 --> 01:00:56,267
Speaker 2: it up with his coach and his manager, too embarrassed

1149
01:00:56,267 --> 01:00:59,267
Speaker 2: to announce it on a drugs declaration because he was

1150
01:00:59,267 --> 01:01:02,267
Speaker 2: losing his hair in his twenties, so he didn't declare it.

1151
01:01:02,347 --> 01:01:06,507
Speaker 2: And then it was found that there was a finasta ride,

1152
01:01:07,067 --> 01:01:13,267
Speaker 2: a common ingredient in male pattern baldness medication, in his system.

1153
01:01:13,947 --> 01:01:16,987
Speaker 2: So I mean he wasn't trying to an ANSWER's performance.

1154
01:01:17,627 --> 01:01:20,227
Speaker 2: He was trying to keep his hair. I should AC

1155
01:01:20,227 --> 01:01:23,827
Speaker 2: should use some of that. Don't do it, pony, don't

1156
01:01:23,867 --> 01:01:27,067
Speaker 2: do it well? Would I be suspended from the radio

1157
01:01:27,067 --> 01:01:31,387
Speaker 2: show for two years? I don't know. Don't do it.

1158
01:01:32,387 --> 01:01:34,067
Speaker 2: Here's a man with a full ahead of hair and

1159
01:01:35,067 --> 01:01:37,907
Speaker 2: plenty of words to impart to us around rugby matches.

1160
01:01:38,107 --> 01:01:42,227
Speaker 2: Paul Allison under the roof in Dunedin for Otago Bay

1161
01:01:42,267 --> 01:01:45,747
Speaker 2: of plenty five past two on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio.

1162
01:01:45,827 --> 01:01:46,547
Speaker 2: How are you, Paul?

1163
01:01:47,107 --> 01:01:47,347
Speaker 13: Can I?

1164
01:01:47,427 --> 01:01:47,667
Speaker 10: Poney?

1165
01:01:47,707 --> 01:01:49,067
Speaker 18: I don't have to worry about me here getting wet

1166
01:01:49,147 --> 01:01:53,067
Speaker 18: down here do I under the stadium? It's you don't

1167
01:01:53,107 --> 01:01:54,427
Speaker 18: have to worry about getting wed anytime.

1168
01:01:54,627 --> 01:01:56,667
Speaker 10: You No, you're right, You're good, You're right.

1169
01:01:56,707 --> 01:01:59,867
Speaker 2: Yep, you're right. Otago Bay of Penny. This afternoon, I'm

1170
01:01:59,867 --> 01:02:01,507
Speaker 2: gonna asking about Otago. First of all, they lost to

1171
01:02:01,547 --> 01:02:03,387
Speaker 2: the Stags first up, but a good one over Auckland

1172
01:02:03,467 --> 01:02:06,547
Speaker 2: last week. How are they? How will they be feeling

1173
01:02:06,547 --> 01:02:08,307
Speaker 2: into a game against the unbeaten Steamers.

1174
01:02:08,667 --> 01:02:10,587
Speaker 18: Well, I certainly would have got some confidence against that

1175
01:02:10,627 --> 01:02:13,147
Speaker 18: performance against Auckland last week, no doubt about that, because

1176
01:02:13,147 --> 01:02:15,747
Speaker 18: the week before against Southland though were less than average.

1177
01:02:15,787 --> 01:02:17,587
Speaker 18: If there was a betting on the tab for it,

1178
01:02:17,627 --> 01:02:19,307
Speaker 18: they wouldn't have even got the quella. They were so

1179
01:02:19,387 --> 01:02:22,627
Speaker 18: far off the pace. But they really turned the tables.

1180
01:02:22,627 --> 01:02:24,347
Speaker 18: And I don't know who talked to them during the week,

1181
01:02:24,547 --> 01:02:26,667
Speaker 18: whether it was head coach Tom Donnelly or some of

1182
01:02:26,667 --> 01:02:29,667
Speaker 18: his cohorts, because they really did put on a very

1183
01:02:29,787 --> 01:02:32,987
Speaker 18: very good display last Friday night under the roof against Auckland,

1184
01:02:32,987 --> 01:02:34,187
Speaker 18: who failed to spark.

1185
01:02:34,227 --> 01:02:35,867
Speaker 10: I mean they have so far this season, haven't they

1186
01:02:36,067 --> 01:02:36,827
Speaker 10: none from three?

1187
01:02:37,227 --> 01:02:39,307
Speaker 18: But I was really impressed with the loose forward trio,

1188
01:02:39,347 --> 01:02:41,987
Speaker 18: particularly Wolf start up, the young twenty year old number

1189
01:02:41,987 --> 01:02:44,067
Speaker 18: eight who's had a couple of games. He's had four

1190
01:02:44,067 --> 01:02:46,707
Speaker 18: for the Hartlanders now and Harry Taylor who's the older

1191
01:02:46,707 --> 01:02:48,187
Speaker 18: brother of Jack Taylor, who's.

1192
01:02:47,947 --> 01:02:50,387
Speaker 10: The very promising hooker from down in Southland.

1193
01:02:50,427 --> 01:02:52,627
Speaker 18: And Olie Hague and they got the better of Anton

1194
01:02:52,947 --> 01:02:56,867
Speaker 18: Segna and Akira Yuani and the like last week, I thought,

1195
01:02:56,867 --> 01:02:58,987
Speaker 18: and that was a key aspect of the game. They'll

1196
01:02:58,987 --> 01:03:01,227
Speaker 18: have to do well against today against Bay Have Plenty,

1197
01:03:01,267 --> 01:03:03,707
Speaker 18: because you know, Nicora brought in Joe Johnson and Jacob

1198
01:03:03,747 --> 01:03:05,987
Speaker 18: Norris and o slugs there in the loose Ford trio.

1199
01:03:06,067 --> 01:03:08,667
Speaker 18: But for me this afternoon, I'm really looking forward to

1200
01:03:08,707 --> 01:03:11,147
Speaker 18: seeing some pace out wide from the Bay of Plenty

1201
01:03:11,267 --> 01:03:15,347
Speaker 18: back three Cole's Forbes, Leroy Carter and Cody Vay. Now

1202
01:03:15,347 --> 01:03:18,667
Speaker 18: these guys have got pace to burn. Leroy Carter, it

1203
01:03:18,787 --> 01:03:21,307
Speaker 18: was he the World seven's rugby player of the Year.

1204
01:03:21,307 --> 01:03:23,987
Speaker 18: I think Cole Forbes is just an absolute out and

1205
01:03:24,027 --> 01:03:26,907
Speaker 18: out flyer as well. And then Cody Vai on the

1206
01:03:27,067 --> 01:03:32,707
Speaker 18: on the left wing, former Cambridge Saint Peter's student, so

1207
01:03:32,867 --> 01:03:35,187
Speaker 18: he's they've got some real pace there.

1208
01:03:35,227 --> 01:03:38,547
Speaker 10: And then a Mony Narawa inside them.

1209
01:03:38,747 --> 01:03:40,187
Speaker 18: It really shows you how good they are if they

1210
01:03:40,227 --> 01:03:42,107
Speaker 18: can get some decent ball but otarget. They would have

1211
01:03:42,107 --> 01:03:43,907
Speaker 18: got a lot of confidence last week against that win

1212
01:03:43,947 --> 01:03:44,667
Speaker 18: against Auckland.

1213
01:03:45,067 --> 01:03:47,347
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about Finn Hurley. I saw him

1214
01:03:47,387 --> 01:03:49,827
Speaker 2: play for the Highlanders against the Hurricanes and Wellington during

1215
01:03:49,827 --> 01:03:52,467
Speaker 2: the Super Rugby season. He started at fullback. He had

1216
01:03:52,507 --> 01:03:54,307
Speaker 2: a few games off the bench as well. How long

1217
01:03:54,307 --> 01:03:56,187
Speaker 2: have you been aware of Finn Hurley and and what

1218
01:03:56,227 --> 01:03:57,227
Speaker 2: can you tell us about him?

1219
01:03:57,667 --> 01:04:00,387
Speaker 18: He's he's out of Gore, came to a Tigo boys

1220
01:04:00,467 --> 01:04:03,547
Speaker 18: high school. He is like a little rubber ball. I've

1221
01:04:03,587 --> 01:04:05,667
Speaker 18: seen him stripped in the changing sheds and he's just

1222
01:04:05,667 --> 01:04:08,467
Speaker 18: full of muscles, much of him. He's eighty kg's ringing

1223
01:04:08,467 --> 01:04:11,387
Speaker 18: where one point seven meters tour, which is about five

1224
01:04:11,427 --> 01:04:14,147
Speaker 18: foot six, So he's tiny in terms of stature. He's

1225
01:04:14,227 --> 01:04:16,827
Speaker 18: huge in heart and he's sort of like a Damien mackenzie,

1226
01:04:16,867 --> 01:04:18,427
Speaker 18: not just in terms of stature and the way that

1227
01:04:18,507 --> 01:04:20,427
Speaker 18: he plays, but also the fact that he can go

1228
01:04:20,467 --> 01:04:22,907
Speaker 18: into contact and then bounce out of it and doesn't

1229
01:04:22,907 --> 01:04:25,227
Speaker 18: seem to be injury prone at all. He had five

1230
01:04:25,267 --> 01:04:27,427
Speaker 18: games for the Hardld has now wonut last year down

1231
01:04:27,467 --> 01:04:30,907
Speaker 18: on Nimber Cargo against the Rebels when he made his debut.

1232
01:04:31,147 --> 01:04:32,627
Speaker 10: But he's been around for a little while.

1233
01:04:32,627 --> 01:04:35,347
Speaker 18: He's kicked a winning goal for his club team in

1234
01:04:35,427 --> 01:04:38,267
Speaker 18: the championship and he also has done that I think

1235
01:04:38,267 --> 01:04:40,347
Speaker 18: for a school team at Otago Boys, So he's been

1236
01:04:40,347 --> 01:04:43,147
Speaker 18: on the radar for some time. He's an absolute superstar

1237
01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:46,307
Speaker 18: in the making. And he can play basically ten or

1238
01:04:46,347 --> 01:04:49,547
Speaker 18: fifteen as many of these players in today's modern era can.

1239
01:04:49,627 --> 01:04:51,827
Speaker 18: So Yeah, he's someone to look out for and he's

1240
01:04:51,867 --> 01:04:53,507
Speaker 18: got a huge future in front of him. Let's hoy

1241
01:04:53,547 --> 01:04:55,387
Speaker 18: he can stay injury free and get the nice pathway

1242
01:04:55,387 --> 01:04:56,947
Speaker 18: that he needs and DJ.

1243
01:04:56,747 --> 01:04:58,187
Speaker 2: And I was really impressed with him and I hope

1244
01:04:58,187 --> 01:05:00,987
Speaker 2: to see a lot more often early. What is the

1245
01:05:01,027 --> 01:05:02,707
Speaker 2: state of Otago rugby at the moment?

1246
01:05:02,747 --> 01:05:03,027
Speaker 14: Paul?

1247
01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:06,347
Speaker 2: I look back to last season and missed the playoffs.

1248
01:05:06,547 --> 01:05:08,627
Speaker 2: I think similar the season before when it was a

1249
01:05:08,667 --> 01:05:11,307
Speaker 2: two conference sort of a system. The evens and the

1250
01:05:11,347 --> 01:05:13,587
Speaker 2: odds seem to change this every year day. We what

1251
01:05:13,707 --> 01:05:16,067
Speaker 2: is the current state of Otago Provincial rugby.

1252
01:05:16,227 --> 01:05:18,067
Speaker 10: Well, they've underperformed for the last two years.

1253
01:05:18,067 --> 01:05:20,547
Speaker 18: Eleventh out of fourteen would probably get them about a

1254
01:05:21,347 --> 01:05:25,227
Speaker 18: D on a schoolcard score report and they need to

1255
01:05:25,227 --> 01:05:27,227
Speaker 18: be better than that. You look at the top eight

1256
01:05:27,347 --> 01:05:30,507
Speaker 18: this year at the moment on the table, seven of

1257
01:05:30,547 --> 01:05:33,707
Speaker 18: them made the finals last year and Southland have made

1258
01:05:33,747 --> 01:05:36,027
Speaker 18: their way into that at the moment in place of Auckland.

1259
01:05:36,027 --> 01:05:38,227
Speaker 18: So at the moment the table still looks very much

1260
01:05:38,307 --> 01:05:40,667
Speaker 18: like it did last year. Otago need a win today,

1261
01:05:40,747 --> 01:05:42,667
Speaker 18: that'll give them a lot of confidence. It doesn't get

1262
01:05:42,707 --> 01:05:45,387
Speaker 18: easier for them because then they've got Taranaki away which

1263
01:05:45,427 --> 01:05:49,467
Speaker 18: is the champion all the premiership winners last year. Then

1264
01:05:49,467 --> 01:05:51,907
Speaker 18: they've got Canterbury at home and then four days later Wellington,

1265
01:05:52,107 --> 01:05:54,347
Speaker 18: so that'll be the determining factor. We'll know in the

1266
01:05:54,347 --> 01:05:57,427
Speaker 18: next two weeks whether or not Otago are serious contenders

1267
01:05:57,507 --> 01:05:59,627
Speaker 18: of getting into that top eight or not. I'd like

1268
01:05:59,707 --> 01:06:01,467
Speaker 18: to think they should when you look at the number

1269
01:06:01,507 --> 01:06:03,947
Speaker 18: of Super rugby players they've got in their side. They've

1270
01:06:03,947 --> 01:06:06,267
Speaker 18: got a bloke called Hudson Crichton who's been sort of

1271
01:06:06,667 --> 01:06:08,307
Speaker 18: roped in to play on the wing. He's come across

1272
01:06:08,307 --> 01:06:11,107
Speaker 18: from Australia. It's wearing the number eleven jersey. This afternoon

1273
01:06:11,147 --> 01:06:12,947
Speaker 18: he's had one game for the Reds and he's had

1274
01:06:12,947 --> 01:06:16,147
Speaker 18: fifteen games for the Brumbies and played for Australia A

1275
01:06:16,427 --> 01:06:17,667
Speaker 18: because there's no Joan and Ariki.

1276
01:06:17,747 --> 01:06:19,227
Speaker 10: But you look at the rest of the back.

1277
01:06:19,027 --> 01:06:21,867
Speaker 18: Line, they've all pretty much played super rugby and so

1278
01:06:22,027 --> 01:06:23,427
Speaker 18: you look at that and then you go back through

1279
01:06:23,427 --> 01:06:26,307
Speaker 18: that forward pack. I think there's something like nineteen or

1280
01:06:26,347 --> 01:06:29,667
Speaker 18: twenty players and that Otago provincial side that have got

1281
01:06:29,667 --> 01:06:32,827
Speaker 18: super rugby experience. Now that needs to translate into a

1282
01:06:32,827 --> 01:06:35,947
Speaker 18: better performance than what we've been seeing in the Bunnings MPC.

1283
01:06:35,907 --> 01:06:37,107
Speaker 10: In the last couple of seasons.

1284
01:06:37,507 --> 01:06:39,187
Speaker 18: Is this the year we'll have to wait and see

1285
01:06:39,227 --> 01:06:41,467
Speaker 18: Christian le low Willy back on the bench. That'll be

1286
01:06:41,507 --> 01:06:44,307
Speaker 18: a big plus today for them because he's co captain

1287
01:06:44,467 --> 01:06:46,627
Speaker 18: with Sam Gilbert. But if you look at the last

1288
01:06:46,627 --> 01:06:49,187
Speaker 18: couple of years yet underperformers.

1289
01:06:48,867 --> 01:06:51,587
Speaker 2: And cam muller, is he driving them around? Okay, Yeah,

1290
01:06:51,627 --> 01:06:52,067
Speaker 2: he's good.

1291
01:06:52,387 --> 01:06:55,067
Speaker 18: He's a traditional first five. He's one that basically all

1292
01:06:55,107 --> 01:06:58,627
Speaker 18: looked for field position. Tactically, he's good. He's got a

1293
01:06:58,627 --> 01:07:02,267
Speaker 18: good boot on him sound defensively, He's not a flashy

1294
01:07:02,307 --> 01:07:04,227
Speaker 18: sort of guy that will run a lot with the ball,

1295
01:07:04,307 --> 01:07:07,107
Speaker 18: but he will actually steer them around the Park again,

1296
01:07:07,347 --> 01:07:09,587
Speaker 18: still only twenty two years of age, big future in

1297
01:07:09,587 --> 01:07:11,667
Speaker 18: front of him, playing his eight enth game this afternoon.

1298
01:07:11,707 --> 01:07:13,827
Speaker 18: He's had twelve games for the Highlanders and I think

1299
01:07:13,867 --> 01:07:17,107
Speaker 18: he's almost secured that starting position for the Heartlanders now

1300
01:07:17,227 --> 01:07:20,667
Speaker 18: as their top number ten with in terms of where

1301
01:07:20,707 --> 01:07:23,147
Speaker 18: they are going into the future. So he's a player

1302
01:07:23,427 --> 01:07:25,427
Speaker 18: like Finn Hurley that I think we'll see a lot

1303
01:07:25,467 --> 01:07:28,587
Speaker 18: more of at certainly at super level in the future

1304
01:07:28,587 --> 01:07:29,987
Speaker 18: in the next couple of years in the Deep South.

1305
01:07:30,347 --> 01:07:32,507
Speaker 2: Good man, Paul, great to get your preview. Thanks for

1306
01:07:32,587 --> 01:07:34,387
Speaker 2: joining us. Stay dry. That's a silly thing to say

1307
01:07:34,427 --> 01:07:36,347
Speaker 2: under the roof, away.

1308
01:07:36,107 --> 01:07:39,027
Speaker 10: From those here enhancing steroids when you find it.

1309
01:07:40,147 --> 01:07:41,707
Speaker 2: Well, thanks Paul.

1310
01:07:41,547 --> 01:07:43,627
Speaker 10: Although you won't fail, you won't fail a drug test.

1311
01:07:43,667 --> 01:07:44,227
Speaker 10: You'll be fine.

1312
01:07:45,827 --> 01:07:49,147
Speaker 18: X and Yenix s well he's I mean, he's getting

1313
01:07:49,187 --> 01:07:50,987
Speaker 18: a bit of flat from Curios, but I think he's

1314
01:07:51,427 --> 01:07:54,387
Speaker 18: I think Sinner might have stolen Curios's girlfriend, so that

1315
01:07:54,467 --> 01:07:56,827
Speaker 18: might be why he's come out loud and clear at

1316
01:07:56,827 --> 01:07:57,907
Speaker 18: the moment with his criticism.

1317
01:07:57,907 --> 01:07:58,707
Speaker 10: Will wait and see.

1318
01:07:59,347 --> 01:08:01,747
Speaker 2: Thanks Paul. Good stuff. Good insight there, Yeah, good insight. Look,

1319
01:08:01,867 --> 01:08:04,747
Speaker 2: I promise you I won't test positive for any any

1320
01:08:04,827 --> 01:08:08,667
Speaker 2: hair enhancing drug. Gave up that ghost a long time ago.

1321
01:08:08,747 --> 01:08:11,187
Speaker 2: Paul Allison has the call for you of Otago Bay

1322
01:08:11,187 --> 01:08:14,987
Speaker 2: of plenty. Pretty intriguing match this afternoon at Forsyth Bar Stadium,

1323
01:08:15,067 --> 01:08:16,947
Speaker 2: Dunedin five pass two. You can hear that on Gold

1324
01:08:16,987 --> 01:08:19,867
Speaker 2: Sport and iHeartRadio. This is round three of the Bunnings

1325
01:08:19,947 --> 01:08:22,787
Speaker 2: MPC across the weekend. Just to recap on the results

1326
01:08:22,787 --> 01:08:25,667
Speaker 2: this weekend Ranfieldy Shield Challenge Friday night, Hawks Bay beating

1327
01:08:25,707 --> 01:08:30,307
Speaker 2: Northland fifty five thirty Tasman thumping Counties Manico forty eight three.

1328
01:08:30,427 --> 01:08:33,667
Speaker 2: Yesterday Canterbury twenty seven, Auckland twenty one at Eden Park.

1329
01:08:33,707 --> 01:08:37,267
Speaker 2: That is three straight defeats for Auckland. Now Tadanaki too

1330
01:08:37,307 --> 01:08:39,507
Speaker 2: good for Southland last night winning thirty nine to twenty four.

1331
01:08:39,707 --> 01:08:42,187
Speaker 2: So Tago Bay of Pinny this afternoon d'needing five pass

1332
01:08:42,187 --> 01:08:44,827
Speaker 2: two with Paul Allison on the call. Wellington hosting one

1333
01:08:44,907 --> 01:08:47,467
Speaker 2: of War two in Pottydour at the same time and

1334
01:08:47,507 --> 01:08:50,827
Speaker 2: then later on North Harbor against Whitecuttor at Albany. That

1335
01:08:50,947 --> 01:08:53,187
Speaker 2: is a four to thirty five kickoff to wrap round

1336
01:08:53,227 --> 01:08:57,947
Speaker 2: three of the Bunnings NPC twenty three away from two

1337
01:08:58,187 --> 01:09:00,707
Speaker 2: let's take a break and then head offshore all the

1338
01:09:00,707 --> 01:09:03,867
Speaker 2: way to Scotland. That's where James mcconey is. He joins

1339
01:09:03,947 --> 01:09:06,307
Speaker 2: us in his regular Sunday slot right after.

1340
01:09:06,147 --> 01:09:11,547
Speaker 1: This don't get caught offside weekends for Us with Jason

1341
01:09:11,587 --> 01:09:15,707
Speaker 1: Payne and GJ. Guvnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder

1342
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1343
01:09:16,467 --> 01:09:20,427
Speaker 2: MB coming up nineteen away from two. A big part

1344
01:09:20,467 --> 01:09:23,387
Speaker 2: of our Sundays is our regular catch up with James

1345
01:09:23,467 --> 01:09:29,067
Speaker 2: mcconey Cragos wild alternative commentary collective across your social media channels,

1346
01:09:29,387 --> 01:09:33,187
Speaker 2: always entertaining. He's been away for a while, has James,

1347
01:09:33,187 --> 01:09:37,107
Speaker 2: but he has stayed committed, firmly committed, fully committed to

1348
01:09:37,187 --> 01:09:40,307
Speaker 2: the radio slot. He joins us. Now, where exactly do

1349
01:09:40,387 --> 01:09:41,507
Speaker 2: we find you? James.

1350
01:09:42,547 --> 01:09:43,867
Speaker 11: I'm in Edinburgh, Piney.

1351
01:09:44,067 --> 01:09:48,907
Speaker 19: I'm here for the Comedy Festival, trying a few, you know,

1352
01:09:49,507 --> 01:09:52,147
Speaker 19: a few sets type five.

1353
01:09:51,907 --> 01:09:54,067
Speaker 11: As they say up on stage. No I'm not.

1354
01:09:54,107 --> 01:09:57,907
Speaker 19: I'm just having a look at some of the acts

1355
01:09:57,947 --> 01:09:58,627
Speaker 19: around the place.

1356
01:09:59,387 --> 01:10:01,987
Speaker 2: I was actually as you were saying that, I was thinking, man,

1357
01:10:02,027 --> 01:10:06,187
Speaker 2: that's impressive. But yeah, well it's also impressive to watch

1358
01:10:06,187 --> 01:10:09,907
Speaker 2: the these great comedians as well. You'll pick up pleady,

1359
01:10:09,987 --> 01:10:12,187
Speaker 2: have material, no doubt, lots of materiality you can bring

1360
01:10:12,227 --> 01:10:15,067
Speaker 2: to our listeners on a regular basis over the next

1361
01:10:15,067 --> 01:10:15,587
Speaker 2: little while.

1362
01:10:16,507 --> 01:10:18,467
Speaker 19: Look, before we carry on, I was going to say,

1363
01:10:18,547 --> 01:10:21,587
Speaker 19: there was a guy last night who apparently eats two

1364
01:10:21,627 --> 01:10:24,907
Speaker 19: pounds of cheese per show. But as doctor said, you've

1365
01:10:24,947 --> 01:10:27,307
Speaker 19: got to mix it up, and instead he eats two

1366
01:10:27,387 --> 01:10:31,747
Speaker 19: iceberg lettuces in his comedy show. So I might try

1367
01:10:31,747 --> 01:10:32,907
Speaker 19: and catch him tomorrow night.

1368
01:10:33,067 --> 01:10:35,507
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I'll look forward to your review of

1369
01:10:35,587 --> 01:10:38,267
Speaker 2: that particular show. Let's talk about let's talk of it

1370
01:10:38,347 --> 01:10:41,147
Speaker 2: a sport. While you're here. You would have from afar.

1371
01:10:41,307 --> 01:10:44,547
Speaker 2: I'm sure caught the news of Leon McDonald's departure as

1372
01:10:44,587 --> 01:10:46,027
Speaker 2: All Black Sisters and coach. We had a lot of

1373
01:10:46,107 --> 01:10:47,707
Speaker 2: chat about this on the show yesterday. What did you

1374
01:10:47,707 --> 01:10:50,587
Speaker 2: make of it all? And you know where you're thinking

1375
01:10:50,627 --> 01:10:51,947
Speaker 2: at around what's played out here.

1376
01:10:53,467 --> 01:10:56,587
Speaker 19: Look, I think it's it was good to rip off

1377
01:10:56,987 --> 01:11:00,107
Speaker 19: the band aid. You know, if things aren't working, if

1378
01:11:00,107 --> 01:11:02,427
Speaker 19: there's a different philosophy, then you might as well call

1379
01:11:02,467 --> 01:11:06,787
Speaker 19: it early. It just seems a bit like me when

1380
01:11:07,267 --> 01:11:10,707
Speaker 19: they assembled that team, you know, his team of Avengers

1381
01:11:10,787 --> 01:11:12,547
Speaker 19: or whatever you want to call them. You know the

1382
01:11:13,347 --> 01:11:16,667
Speaker 19: of coaches last year that it might have been quite

1383
01:11:16,667 --> 01:11:20,507
Speaker 19: hasty to, you know, to get certain people who wouldn't

1384
01:11:20,547 --> 01:11:24,587
Speaker 19: have necessarily been on the same page or or maybe

1385
01:11:24,587 --> 01:11:27,147
Speaker 19: even the first choice, because surely that would have been

1386
01:11:27,147 --> 01:11:29,507
Speaker 19: one of the things that you would have that you

1387
01:11:29,507 --> 01:11:34,827
Speaker 19: would have ironed out before before forming your little consortium.

1388
01:11:34,987 --> 01:11:39,267
Speaker 11: But look, I think I think Leon will be able to.

1389
01:11:39,267 --> 01:11:43,107
Speaker 19: Go and coach somewhere and make a name for himself again.

1390
01:11:43,307 --> 01:11:46,467
Speaker 19: And I mean, look, let's just be honest. The international

1391
01:11:46,467 --> 01:11:49,067
Speaker 19: coaching scene is so tough. I think Dave Reni is

1392
01:11:49,067 --> 01:11:51,987
Speaker 19: probably one of the best coaches in the world. He

1393
01:11:52,467 --> 01:11:54,987
Speaker 19: doesn't have a gig, really, you know, an international gig.

1394
01:11:55,507 --> 01:11:58,787
Speaker 19: And and if you're brutally honest, I think the guy

1395
01:11:58,827 --> 01:12:02,307
Speaker 19: that Rays always wanted was Tony Brown, and he is

1396
01:12:02,347 --> 01:12:06,867
Speaker 19: the closest to Wayne the professor proper genius, be talent.

1397
01:12:07,227 --> 01:12:11,067
Speaker 11: And of course he's now with South Africa. So you know, maybe.

1398
01:12:10,787 --> 01:12:14,627
Speaker 19: It's that that feeling that they didn't have the innovation

1399
01:12:15,227 --> 01:12:18,067
Speaker 19: that a Tony Brown type person was gonna was going.

1400
01:12:18,027 --> 01:12:18,507
Speaker 11: To give them.

1401
01:12:18,627 --> 01:12:21,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're about to find out about that innovation

1402
01:12:21,347 --> 01:12:24,707
Speaker 2: in a Springbok sense a week from now, when they

1403
01:12:24,747 --> 01:12:28,507
Speaker 2: clash in Jobu, that'll be an absolutely titanic clash. Also

1404
01:12:28,667 --> 01:12:32,907
Speaker 2: departing well almost as Sewn Johnson his final home game

1405
01:12:33,187 --> 01:12:36,427
Speaker 2: at the at the freshly renamed Shawn Johnson Stadium the

1406
01:12:36,467 --> 01:12:39,747
Speaker 2: other night, how do you assess his impact on the

1407
01:12:39,787 --> 01:12:42,267
Speaker 2: Warriors and on and on the sport of rugby league.

1408
01:12:42,107 --> 01:12:47,267
Speaker 19: Here, it's two parts of the career For me. I

1409
01:12:47,267 --> 01:12:50,147
Speaker 19: think he's one of the greats for sure. I think

1410
01:12:50,187 --> 01:12:52,827
Speaker 19: that he the first half of his career, he was

1411
01:12:52,947 --> 01:12:56,107
Speaker 19: just so electric. It was probably the greatest highlights reel

1412
01:12:56,187 --> 01:13:00,507
Speaker 19: of any rugby league talent or halfback in history.

1413
01:13:00,547 --> 01:13:00,867
Speaker 11: Really.

1414
01:13:01,307 --> 01:13:03,827
Speaker 19: I think back to that winning try against Great Britain

1415
01:13:03,867 --> 01:13:07,587
Speaker 19: in the World Cup and that was just in the

1416
01:13:07,587 --> 01:13:11,907
Speaker 19: semi final, just a clutch play, just electric on his feet.

1417
01:13:12,947 --> 01:13:14,907
Speaker 19: And there's so many tries like that early on. And

1418
01:13:14,947 --> 01:13:16,387
Speaker 19: it's a bit of a shame when he made his

1419
01:13:16,467 --> 01:13:19,987
Speaker 19: Grand Final. The entire Worries team just didn't have it,

1420
01:13:20,067 --> 01:13:22,107
Speaker 19: you know, And I feel like he was good enough

1421
01:13:22,147 --> 01:13:25,427
Speaker 19: to or deserve to win a Grand Final. And the

1422
01:13:25,467 --> 01:13:28,027
Speaker 19: second half of his career really is the you know,

1423
01:13:28,107 --> 01:13:33,267
Speaker 19: maturing into this great game manager and you know, a

1424
01:13:33,307 --> 01:13:36,147
Speaker 19: general of sorts. But look, I think we should just

1425
01:13:36,227 --> 01:13:39,067
Speaker 19: remember him as being brilliant. I mean, that's that's.

1426
01:13:38,907 --> 01:13:39,427
Speaker 11: What he was.

1427
01:13:39,627 --> 01:13:41,947
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly right. Yeah, paid tribute to him yesterday on

1428
01:13:41,987 --> 01:13:44,547
Speaker 2: the show, And yeah, I'll remember the Shawn Johnson of

1429
01:13:44,587 --> 01:13:47,427
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. I know he was brilliant in the

1430
01:13:47,427 --> 01:13:49,387
Speaker 2: early part of his career, as you've mentioned back in

1431
01:13:49,427 --> 01:13:51,347
Speaker 2: twenty eleven as well. But yeah, I just thought that

1432
01:13:51,387 --> 01:13:55,147
Speaker 2: the Shawn Johnson of twenty twenty three was something that

1433
01:13:55,187 --> 01:13:58,307
Speaker 2: I'll definitely remember about. What about the next Warriors star

1434
01:13:58,427 --> 01:14:00,707
Speaker 2: have you seen? Have you seen enough this season to

1435
01:14:00,987 --> 01:14:04,947
Speaker 2: suggest that there are fresh players coming through who might

1436
01:14:05,027 --> 01:14:07,067
Speaker 2: you might step up and id it may not become

1437
01:14:07,107 --> 01:14:09,667
Speaker 2: the impact player that Shawn Johnson is, but certainly make

1438
01:14:09,707 --> 01:14:10,227
Speaker 2: an impact.

1439
01:14:11,427 --> 01:14:11,587
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1440
01:14:11,627 --> 01:14:14,227
Speaker 19: I think I think Luke Metcalf coming back from injury

1441
01:14:14,307 --> 01:14:18,627
Speaker 19: should give us something to, you know, to sort of

1442
01:14:18,667 --> 01:14:20,867
Speaker 19: shout about. I think that he's probably a guy that

1443
01:14:20,867 --> 01:14:23,587
Speaker 19: they missed. He is electric as well with his pace,

1444
01:14:23,667 --> 01:14:26,827
Speaker 19: he's a he's a talker and organizer, and I think

1445
01:14:26,867 --> 01:14:30,547
Speaker 19: he can play either six or seven for the Warriors.

1446
01:14:31,747 --> 01:14:34,027
Speaker 19: But the one guy who I think would provide some

1447
01:14:34,307 --> 01:14:37,467
Speaker 19: X factor as Lequa Halissima, who's.

1448
01:14:37,307 --> 01:14:38,387
Speaker 11: The you know.

1449
01:14:38,507 --> 01:14:40,987
Speaker 19: Can you remember he made his debut in July and

1450
01:14:42,147 --> 01:14:45,187
Speaker 19: as a teenager against the Bulldogs, had this incredible run.

1451
01:14:45,227 --> 01:14:47,427
Speaker 19: He was supposed to play in the forwards, ended up

1452
01:14:47,467 --> 01:14:50,867
Speaker 19: at center and was just absolutely incredible.

1453
01:14:50,947 --> 01:14:51,787
Speaker 11: So he's.

1454
01:14:54,227 --> 01:14:56,667
Speaker 19: A tongue player, has come over to New Zealand, played

1455
01:14:56,707 --> 01:15:02,067
Speaker 19: in South Auckland. Just when if you can google him

1456
01:15:02,107 --> 01:15:05,347
Speaker 19: or YouTube and it's worth having a look. Just one

1457
01:15:05,387 --> 01:15:07,747
Speaker 19: of the most talents. And I think if he got

1458
01:15:07,787 --> 01:15:10,147
Speaker 19: a full season at the Warriors next year, because I

1459
01:15:10,187 --> 01:15:12,627
Speaker 19: feel like they do need a full reset, and I

1460
01:15:12,667 --> 01:15:14,467
Speaker 19: think if you've got a full season at the Warriors

1461
01:15:14,547 --> 01:15:16,587
Speaker 19: next year, he might just be the best player and

1462
01:15:16,707 --> 01:15:17,027
Speaker 19: the team.

1463
01:15:17,187 --> 01:15:18,787
Speaker 2: All right, we'll keep an eye for him. What about

1464
01:15:18,827 --> 01:15:21,107
Speaker 2: in the fifteens game before we just circle back to rugby,

1465
01:15:22,267 --> 01:15:26,107
Speaker 2: who's our next rising star, our next star all Black?

1466
01:15:27,187 --> 01:15:27,347
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1467
01:15:27,467 --> 01:15:29,547
Speaker 19: I was looking at that team, going, yeah, there's a

1468
01:15:29,627 --> 01:15:32,147
Speaker 19: lot of established all blacks, right, the team that's going away.

1469
01:15:32,627 --> 01:15:34,747
Speaker 19: We've got the World rugby player of the year, We've

1470
01:15:34,787 --> 01:15:39,787
Speaker 19: got you know, Boden Barrett, who's been outstanding for ages,

1471
01:15:40,427 --> 01:15:42,547
Speaker 19: riquoe Yowani, all the talent in the world, you know.

1472
01:15:43,067 --> 01:15:44,907
Speaker 19: But then I was thinking that there is room. I

1473
01:15:44,987 --> 01:15:47,827
Speaker 19: think in New Zealand rugby for someone to come through.

1474
01:15:49,347 --> 01:15:53,347
Speaker 19: And my feeling is I'm going to take a punt

1475
01:15:53,467 --> 01:15:55,947
Speaker 19: on shay Fi hockey. I think he's going to have

1476
01:15:56,027 --> 01:16:00,107
Speaker 19: a breakout season next year. He was incredible for the

1477
01:16:00,187 --> 01:16:05,227
Speaker 19: Barbarians against Fiji up here in the Northern Hemisphere not

1478
01:16:05,347 --> 01:16:08,507
Speaker 19: so long ago. And I mean he's a six foot four,

1479
01:16:09,787 --> 01:16:13,307
Speaker 19: gliding running fullback, wings center. Put him where you want,

1480
01:16:13,747 --> 01:16:16,267
Speaker 19: he'll break the game open. And I think he's had

1481
01:16:16,307 --> 01:16:19,547
Speaker 19: to be a mix and match guy for the Crusaders.

1482
01:16:20,067 --> 01:16:23,187
Speaker 19: The only issue is, of course Will Jordan will probably

1483
01:16:23,267 --> 01:16:24,747
Speaker 19: want to play fullback next year.

1484
01:16:24,907 --> 01:16:28,307
Speaker 11: So where the shade go I don't know, but they've

1485
01:16:28,307 --> 01:16:30,827
Speaker 11: locked him until twenty twenty six. But I think he's

1486
01:16:30,907 --> 01:16:31,827
Speaker 11: the guy to look out for.

1487
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Speaker 19: And my other too, I think Noah Hotham and Harry

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01:16:36,627 --> 01:16:39,907
Speaker 19: Godfrey could do something. Maybe Harry Godfrey moving to ten

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01:16:40,987 --> 01:16:43,627
Speaker 19: where he played when he was at high school. That's

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01:16:43,707 --> 01:16:46,267
Speaker 19: the Hurricanes reserve fullback. You would have seen him pony yep.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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01:16:46,907 --> 01:16:47,067
Speaker 17: Yeah.

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01:16:47,907 --> 01:16:49,107
Speaker 2: It was hard for him to get a game, as

1494
01:16:49,147 --> 01:16:52,307
Speaker 2: you say, because Ruben Love was at fullback and Brett

1495
01:16:52,347 --> 01:16:54,187
Speaker 2: Cameron at first five played a bit on the wing.

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01:16:54,307 --> 01:16:56,067
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's got a bit about him. In fact,

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01:16:56,107 --> 01:16:59,067
Speaker 2: he's not unlike Rubin Love. I was really impressed with

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01:16:59,107 --> 01:16:59,747
Speaker 2: Harry Godfrey.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so he just needs that chance. I think this

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01:17:03,227 --> 01:17:03,707
Speaker 11: is the whole thing.

1501
01:17:03,787 --> 01:17:06,827
Speaker 19: It's really hard to sort of get a gig when

1502
01:17:07,227 --> 01:17:09,147
Speaker 19: you want to play first five and fallback.

1503
01:17:09,187 --> 01:17:11,187
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, you just have to.

1504
01:17:12,107 --> 01:17:15,787
Speaker 19: Those players are pretty locked in at every franchise. If

1505
01:17:15,867 --> 01:17:17,947
Speaker 19: you if you're trying to get a get a run,

1506
01:17:18,187 --> 01:17:20,707
Speaker 19: they've chosen their person, they're going to stick with them.

1507
01:17:21,587 --> 01:17:24,667
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, we'll keep an eye out for Harry Godfrey,

1508
01:17:24,987 --> 01:17:28,027
Speaker 2: for Schaeffe, Hackey, Naah Hote. I think we all agree

1509
01:17:28,067 --> 01:17:29,867
Speaker 2: it is going to be something pretty special in a

1510
01:17:30,227 --> 01:17:32,907
Speaker 2: very exciting time for New Zealand half backs. Just before

1511
01:17:32,947 --> 01:17:35,427
Speaker 2: you go on your side of the world. Actually, Lydia

1512
01:17:35,507 --> 01:17:39,387
Speaker 2: Coe playing in the Women's British Golf Open. She is

1513
01:17:39,507 --> 01:17:41,747
Speaker 2: in a tie for fourth, just three shots off the

1514
01:17:41,827 --> 01:17:43,987
Speaker 2: lead with one round to go. I don't think she's

1515
01:17:44,027 --> 01:17:46,027
Speaker 2: won this tournament. She could win this tournament, surely.

1516
01:17:46,987 --> 01:17:50,747
Speaker 19: Yeah, three shots off. All the pressure's taken off as

1517
01:17:50,787 --> 01:17:54,027
Speaker 19: she's the Olympic champion. Everybody ahead of her, including the

1518
01:17:54,067 --> 01:17:57,587
Speaker 19: elite quarter will be looking and thinking, oh, no, Leeds.

1519
01:17:57,427 --> 01:18:00,027
Speaker 11: Is there, and that's that's how good it has been.

1520
01:18:00,667 --> 01:18:03,587
Speaker 19: You know, the reigning Olympic champion and someone who's won

1521
01:18:04,507 --> 01:18:05,267
Speaker 19: majors before.

1522
01:18:05,467 --> 01:18:10,587
Speaker 11: So yeah, I think it's worth keeping an eye on tomorrow,

1523
01:18:10,867 --> 01:18:14,907
Speaker 11: is it? Yes, tomorrow, so for you in the wee hours.

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01:18:15,587 --> 01:18:19,227
Speaker 19: Yeah, but Olilia, it's amazing really because she's a Hall

1525
01:18:19,267 --> 01:18:22,427
Speaker 19: of Famer now. She's talked about wanting to retire young

1526
01:18:22,627 --> 01:18:26,347
Speaker 19: and and have kids and you know, start a family

1527
01:18:26,347 --> 01:18:27,347
Speaker 19: and not play golf forever.

1528
01:18:28,147 --> 01:18:30,787
Speaker 11: So that's what we're waiting for next, isn't it. When

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01:18:30,987 --> 01:18:32,307
Speaker 11: is Lydia going to make that call?

1530
01:18:32,627 --> 01:18:35,707
Speaker 19: And yeah, but it's just a pleasure to see her

1531
01:18:36,667 --> 01:18:39,947
Speaker 19: playing so well and just one of New Zealand's great

1532
01:18:40,027 --> 01:18:43,627
Speaker 19: sporting ambassadors. You know, you just see her going around

1533
01:18:43,707 --> 01:18:49,307
Speaker 19: the world representing New Zealand and it's really awesome because

1534
01:18:50,387 --> 01:18:53,907
Speaker 19: you know, going into the Olympics she was not in

1535
01:18:54,347 --> 01:18:58,787
Speaker 19: exceptional form by her standards and hasn't been for some years.

1536
01:18:58,867 --> 01:19:01,827
Speaker 11: But man, that take that pressure off and she can

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01:19:01,867 --> 01:19:02,307
Speaker 11: do anything.

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01:19:02,467 --> 01:19:02,667
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:19:02,747 --> 01:19:05,107
Speaker 2: Absolutely, loving Lyda coach. She said the other day she's

1540
01:19:05,147 --> 01:19:07,787
Speaker 2: in the back nine of her career. So that was

1541
01:19:07,947 --> 01:19:11,347
Speaker 2: a very nice golf analogy for her to use. All right, James,

1542
01:19:11,427 --> 01:19:13,267
Speaker 2: will you go get some sleep. I look forward to

1543
01:19:13,307 --> 01:19:18,187
Speaker 2: hearing your review of the lettuce eating, cheese chomping Comedian.

1544
01:19:19,067 --> 01:19:22,147
Speaker 2: And we'll catch up with you again around about the

1545
01:19:22,187 --> 01:19:23,187
Speaker 2: same time next Sunday.

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01:19:23,427 --> 01:19:25,627
Speaker 11: All right, see your piney okay the news.

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01:19:28,187 --> 01:19:31,667
Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks James. James mcconey, big part of our Sundays

1548
01:19:31,667 --> 01:19:33,747
Speaker 2: coming to your life from Edinburgh today. He's back at

1549
01:19:33,747 --> 01:19:36,227
Speaker 2: around about the same time next Sunday. Don't know where

1550
01:19:36,227 --> 01:19:38,067
Speaker 2: he'll be. It doesn't seem like he's coming home in

1551
01:19:38,107 --> 01:19:41,347
Speaker 2: any particular hurry. And why would you Edinburgh Comedy Festival,

1552
01:19:41,467 --> 01:19:44,067
Speaker 2: fantastic nine to two News talks. He'd be back after this.

1553
01:19:45,787 --> 01:19:46,627
Speaker 5: The scoop from the.

1554
01:19:46,667 --> 01:19:49,547
Speaker 1: Track, Fields and the Court on your home of Sport

1555
01:19:49,867 --> 01:19:53,067
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine Us talks inb.

1556
01:19:53,747 --> 01:19:57,107
Speaker 2: Well Al We stix away from two after two o'clock.

1557
01:19:57,427 --> 01:19:59,347
Speaker 2: A real mixed bag for you. We couldn't get to

1558
01:20:00,027 --> 01:20:04,307
Speaker 2: Bob McMurray when we were initially going to talk about

1559
01:20:04,307 --> 01:20:07,187
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson. You might have heard this new during the

1560
01:20:07,267 --> 01:20:12,227
Speaker 2: week from Red Ball advisor Helmet Marco saying that Liam

1561
01:20:12,307 --> 01:20:16,707
Speaker 2: Lawson will I think it might have been lost in translation,

1562
01:20:16,827 --> 01:20:19,947
Speaker 2: but Helmet Marco basically said Liam Lawson will get a

1563
01:20:20,027 --> 01:20:22,667
Speaker 2: full time Formula One seat next year, either as part

1564
01:20:22,707 --> 01:20:26,187
Speaker 2: of the main Red Bull team or the sister outfit RB.

1565
01:20:27,147 --> 01:20:29,747
Speaker 2: Of course, Liam Lawson's been acting as a reserve driver

1566
01:20:29,907 --> 01:20:31,987
Speaker 2: for both teams this year. He got a wee bit

1567
01:20:32,027 --> 01:20:34,227
Speaker 2: of a go last year. You'll remember when Daniel Ricardo,

1568
01:20:34,667 --> 01:20:36,467
Speaker 2: do you do break his wrist? Wasn't it break his

1569
01:20:36,507 --> 01:20:39,067
Speaker 2: wrist or something? And Liam Lawson got in the car

1570
01:20:39,387 --> 01:20:42,307
Speaker 2: raced a few Formula one racism was really impressive. He's

1571
01:20:42,347 --> 01:20:45,947
Speaker 2: had to be pretty patient in the time since, particularly

1572
01:20:46,027 --> 01:20:47,507
Speaker 2: this year, but by the sounds of it, there might

1573
01:20:47,547 --> 01:20:49,427
Speaker 2: be a light at the end of that tunnel. Bob

1574
01:20:49,507 --> 01:20:52,147
Speaker 2: McMurray with his views on that. After two o'clock, we'll

1575
01:20:52,187 --> 01:20:56,107
Speaker 2: also get you to Paris where the Paralympics are now

1576
01:20:56,667 --> 01:20:59,627
Speaker 2: only days away. The opening ceremonies on Thursday morning before

1577
01:20:59,667 --> 01:21:02,587
Speaker 2: competition gets under way, and for the first time in

1578
01:21:02,787 --> 01:21:07,587
Speaker 2: forty years, we will have a female shooter at the

1579
01:21:07,667 --> 01:21:11,507
Speaker 2: Paralympic Games, and for the first time ever, a female

1580
01:21:11,667 --> 01:21:15,227
Speaker 2: in the air pistol. Her name is Neilam O'Neill and

1581
01:21:15,427 --> 01:21:20,347
Speaker 2: she's just a delight from what I can gather. She's

1582
01:21:20,347 --> 01:21:22,347
Speaker 2: going to join us after two o'clock as well to

1583
01:21:22,387 --> 01:21:26,587
Speaker 2: have a chat about her upcoming Paralympic campaign. And Lydia

1584
01:21:26,707 --> 01:21:29,867
Speaker 2: Coe is well placed heading into the final round of

1585
01:21:29,987 --> 01:21:33,427
Speaker 2: the Women's Open Championship at Saint Andrews. I wanted to

1586
01:21:33,467 --> 01:21:36,267
Speaker 2: pass seventy one in her third round. She's four under

1587
01:21:36,267 --> 01:21:39,187
Speaker 2: for the tournament, just three shots behind the leader, and

1588
01:21:39,747 --> 01:21:44,347
Speaker 2: well obviously with the golden glow of the Olympic gold medal. Still,

1589
01:21:44,827 --> 01:21:47,747
Speaker 2: I'm sure very prominent for her. Who knows, maybe she

1590
01:21:47,787 --> 01:21:50,547
Speaker 2: could win the Open Championship. She hasn't won a major

1591
01:21:50,627 --> 01:21:52,747
Speaker 2: Lydia Cooe for a long time, long long time, and

1592
01:21:52,747 --> 01:21:54,267
Speaker 2: in fact, I don't think she's had a top twenty

1593
01:21:54,347 --> 01:21:56,907
Speaker 2: finish for the best part of eighteen months. She was

1594
01:21:56,947 --> 01:22:00,067
Speaker 2: asked about that actually in the pre tournament press conference,

1595
01:22:00,147 --> 01:22:02,507
Speaker 2: and I don't think she took offence to it necessarily,

1596
01:22:02,547 --> 01:22:04,667
Speaker 2: but she said, look, there's other players around her, a

1597
01:22:04,707 --> 01:22:06,187
Speaker 2: pretty good we having won a major for a while.

1598
01:22:06,747 --> 01:22:09,107
Speaker 2: Rory McElroy, I think, was probably one of the ones

1599
01:22:09,147 --> 01:22:12,067
Speaker 2: she mentioned. In terms of live sport at the moment

1600
01:22:12,147 --> 01:22:14,187
Speaker 2: are three straight wins for Manawa two to start their

1601
01:22:14,547 --> 01:22:17,667
Speaker 2: Farah Partmer Cup campaign and women's rugby the cruise to

1602
01:22:17,747 --> 01:22:20,787
Speaker 2: a fifty five twenty four one over the Wellington Pride

1603
01:22:20,787 --> 01:22:25,147
Speaker 2: and Pottydoer Otago have beaten Tasman in Dunedin Otago against

1604
01:22:25,147 --> 01:22:27,307
Speaker 2: Bay of Plenty in the MPC, about to get under

1605
01:22:27,347 --> 01:22:29,787
Speaker 2: Waight and Wellington Munaware two in around half an hour

1606
01:22:29,867 --> 01:22:29,987
Speaker 2: or so.

1607
01:22:30,187 --> 01:22:34,787
Speaker 1: He plays for the big names, the big issues, the

1608
01:22:34,907 --> 01:22:40,147
Speaker 1: big controversies and the big conversations. Heads all on Weekend

1609
01:22:40,227 --> 01:22:44,627
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport News Talks.

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01:22:44,667 --> 01:22:45,147
Speaker 5: It'd been.

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01:22:47,107 --> 01:22:51,627
Speaker 2: Welcome back into Chose six and it's two six Jason

1612
01:22:51,627 --> 01:22:53,627
Speaker 2: Pine and Andy McDonald with you till freed. Then Tim

1613
01:22:53,667 --> 01:22:57,227
Speaker 2: Beveridge takes over with the Weekend Collective Sunday edition. This

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01:22:57,427 --> 01:23:00,867
Speaker 2: our Paralympian Neilam O'Neill standing by the chat to us

1615
01:23:01,307 --> 01:23:06,547
Speaker 2: parachuter and our first female parachuter for forty years. Bob

1616
01:23:06,627 --> 01:23:10,107
Speaker 2: McMurray running an eye over these claims that Liam Lawson

1617
01:23:10,147 --> 01:23:14,027
Speaker 2: could have a full time Formula one drive next year,

1618
01:23:14,507 --> 01:23:17,227
Speaker 2: and Phil tarthod Angi looking at the prospects for Olivia

1619
01:23:17,267 --> 01:23:21,147
Speaker 2: CoA win the Women's Open Championship at Saint Andrews. You're

1620
01:23:21,187 --> 01:23:23,587
Speaker 2: causing feedback. Always welcome are eight hundred and eighty ten

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01:23:23,707 --> 01:23:27,107
Speaker 2: eighty nine, two ninety two on text. But with a

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01:23:27,147 --> 01:23:29,547
Speaker 2: time at seven past two, it's time for us to

1623
01:23:29,587 --> 01:23:31,347
Speaker 2: get you across some of the things that might have

1624
01:23:31,427 --> 01:23:34,067
Speaker 2: escaped your attention, some of the things which perhaps you've

1625
01:23:34,187 --> 01:23:36,467
Speaker 2: missed over the last little while. We know you're busy.

1626
01:23:37,387 --> 01:23:39,387
Speaker 2: We call it in case you missed it. Andy McDonnell

1627
01:23:39,427 --> 01:23:42,787
Speaker 2: puts it together every Saturday and Sunday. Let's start with

1628
01:23:42,947 --> 01:23:47,667
Speaker 2: the Love Welter Espanya, and it's the pre race favorite

1629
01:23:47,707 --> 01:23:48,707
Speaker 2: who started as comeback.

1630
01:23:48,947 --> 01:23:50,347
Speaker 5: Here comes Prevos Rodlich.

1631
01:23:50,547 --> 01:23:52,987
Speaker 20: He comes around with one hundred meters to go and

1632
01:23:53,227 --> 01:23:56,947
Speaker 20: Matts is trying to fight tooth and nail two Primoss Rodlich.

1633
01:23:57,267 --> 01:24:00,347
Speaker 20: He comes to the line and is a forty individual

1634
01:24:00,507 --> 01:24:02,747
Speaker 20: victory in a stage of the Welter.

1635
01:24:03,067 --> 01:24:06,187
Speaker 2: He's still over three minutes behind surprise leader Ben O'Connor.

1636
01:24:06,987 --> 01:24:09,547
Speaker 2: To the Premier League. Earling Harland is out there doing

1637
01:24:10,067 --> 01:24:17,267
Speaker 2: Earling Harland things pland so we received it just like that,

1638
01:24:18,507 --> 01:24:20,827
Speaker 2: just too hard to handle.

1639
01:24:21,387 --> 01:24:27,507
Speaker 21: He foculus finish from Arling Harland his tenth Manchester City

1640
01:24:27,627 --> 01:24:31,827
Speaker 21: hat trick and the champions are in the groove in

1641
01:24:32,027 --> 01:24:33,787
Speaker 21: their shride from the off.

1642
01:24:34,107 --> 01:24:35,907
Speaker 2: They certainly are top of the table. Man City after

1643
01:24:35,947 --> 01:24:40,067
Speaker 2: a couple of games, not so happy they're cross hand

1644
01:24:40,147 --> 01:24:45,627
Speaker 2: rivals menu a Yari a dinger again, big.

1645
01:24:45,547 --> 01:24:50,787
Speaker 21: Chance Shicko Sharkpecko what what should be points winner?

1646
01:24:51,507 --> 01:24:51,907
Speaker 11: And was?

1647
01:24:51,987 --> 01:24:54,867
Speaker 2: They won two one brighton over Manchester United to the

1648
01:24:55,027 --> 01:24:58,987
Speaker 2: NRAL the Newcastle Knight's top eight hopes of remainderlike his

1649
01:24:59,347 --> 01:25:00,627
Speaker 2: cager best.

1650
01:25:00,507 --> 01:25:06,027
Speaker 22: Base six points potentially here for Newcastle store for the

1651
01:25:06,107 --> 01:25:10,787
Speaker 22: moment which Poga scores again second try of the game

1652
01:25:11,227 --> 01:25:13,987
Speaker 22: and it's a very big lead down for the Nights.

1653
01:25:14,027 --> 01:25:16,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Night's running out thirty six sixteen winners over

1654
01:25:16,467 --> 01:25:18,227
Speaker 2: the rabbit O's. The Raiders had a win.

1655
01:25:18,227 --> 01:25:22,827
Speaker 23: Two last tackle Teddrid Louai go it is s it

1656
01:25:23,027 --> 01:25:27,867
Speaker 23: is typical Away says that the Lion he'll give it

1657
01:25:27,947 --> 01:25:29,587
Speaker 23: to this Breadstone.

1658
01:25:29,827 --> 01:25:34,347
Speaker 21: Seven cha rdropday though.

1659
01:25:35,707 --> 01:25:37,027
Speaker 2: Rick is stealing a puff.

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01:25:37,507 --> 01:25:37,707
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1661
01:25:37,787 --> 01:25:40,547
Speaker 2: Raiders twenty two, Panthers eighteen and the Melbourne Storm have

1662
01:25:40,667 --> 01:25:43,987
Speaker 2: secured the minor premiership on a milestone night for Nelson.

1663
01:25:44,107 --> 01:25:45,667
Speaker 2: A Sofa Solomona.

1664
01:25:48,507 --> 01:25:58,307
Speaker 21: Started game two hundred six stop in Melbourne and a big.

1665
01:25:58,307 --> 01:26:03,107
Speaker 2: Celebration and finally to the NPC where Canterbury have triumphed

1666
01:26:03,587 --> 01:26:07,027
Speaker 2: in one of this country's biggest historical rugby Right, yes.

1667
01:26:07,107 --> 01:26:11,067
Speaker 19: Sir Shierra feeds is that the number eight speed Shira

1668
01:26:11,347 --> 01:26:14,627
Speaker 19: hets it dead and Canterbury win the game.

1669
01:26:16,907 --> 01:26:18,187
Speaker 2: Twenty seven twenty one.

1670
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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

1671
01:26:21,627 --> 01:26:26,787
Speaker 1: on ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News Talks.

1672
01:26:26,587 --> 01:26:30,627
Speaker 2: MB ten past two. The Paralympics are fast approaching and

1673
01:26:31,107 --> 01:26:35,107
Speaker 2: paraschuoter Nelam O'Neill will compete in the R three Mixed

1674
01:26:35,267 --> 01:26:38,427
Speaker 2: ten meter air Rifle prone sh one and the P

1675
01:26:38,587 --> 01:26:42,427
Speaker 2: two Women's ten meter Air Pistol sh one. Neilim O'Neill

1676
01:26:42,507 --> 01:26:46,107
Speaker 2: will become the first female Kiwi shooter to compete at

1677
01:26:46,147 --> 01:26:49,747
Speaker 2: a Paralympic Games in four decades and the first woman

1678
01:26:49,907 --> 01:26:53,147
Speaker 2: ever to represent New Zealand in the air pistol at

1679
01:26:53,187 --> 01:26:56,747
Speaker 2: a Paralympic Games. Neilam O'Neill is with us. How are

1680
01:26:56,787 --> 01:27:00,067
Speaker 2: the emotions, neiliams you as you get ready for your

1681
01:27:00,147 --> 01:27:01,307
Speaker 2: very first Paralympics.

1682
01:27:02,347 --> 01:27:05,707
Speaker 24: To be honest, I'm feeling fairly calm, which is a

1683
01:27:05,747 --> 01:27:12,467
Speaker 24: bit scary because normally even for competitions like World Cups

1684
01:27:12,507 --> 01:27:15,467
Speaker 24: or Championships. I'm excited. I'm like, yeah, let's keep going.

1685
01:27:16,027 --> 01:27:20,587
Speaker 24: And I just feel this overwhelming calmness and I think

1686
01:27:20,627 --> 01:27:23,907
Speaker 24: it's a good thing. Actually, I think I'm just you know,

1687
01:27:24,227 --> 01:27:26,427
Speaker 24: we're a little bit we've got a little bit of

1688
01:27:26,507 --> 01:27:30,827
Speaker 24: time before our competitions as well, and I think I'm

1689
01:27:30,867 --> 01:27:33,507
Speaker 24: just building. I think I'm taking it day by day

1690
01:27:33,787 --> 01:27:36,587
Speaker 24: and I'm excited. Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited,

1691
01:27:37,067 --> 01:27:40,347
Speaker 24: but I've got this calmness about it, and I'm enjoying it.

1692
01:27:40,507 --> 01:27:44,067
Speaker 24: I'm enjoying being embracing everything around me right now.

1693
01:27:44,507 --> 01:27:47,627
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I mean, you sound surprised at how calm

1694
01:27:47,747 --> 01:27:50,147
Speaker 2: you are, right, Why do you think you're feeling so

1695
01:27:51,067 --> 01:27:53,747
Speaker 2: serene I head of the biggest competition of your life.

1696
01:27:55,107 --> 01:27:58,067
Speaker 24: Yeah, I think I'm surprised because normally, when I go

1697
01:27:58,187 --> 01:28:00,907
Speaker 24: into a competition, you know, I'm getting up and fired

1698
01:28:01,227 --> 01:28:04,067
Speaker 24: up and I just want to do well, and I'm

1699
01:28:04,187 --> 01:28:07,947
Speaker 24: really excited. I feel like I'm a little kid jumping

1700
01:28:08,027 --> 01:28:09,587
Speaker 24: up and down in a candy store when I go

1701
01:28:09,707 --> 01:28:13,747
Speaker 24: to competitions. But I think this time, because it's the Paralympics,

1702
01:28:13,787 --> 01:28:16,387
Speaker 24: I've worked so hard for so long to get here,

1703
01:28:16,507 --> 01:28:20,227
Speaker 24: and I think it's just still unreal. I can't believe

1704
01:28:20,307 --> 01:28:23,427
Speaker 24: that I'm actually here. I can't believe that I'm finally

1705
01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:27,387
Speaker 24: fulfilling my dream. And in the funny way, I think

1706
01:28:27,587 --> 01:28:31,667
Speaker 24: all the training, all everything I've worked towards, I think

1707
01:28:31,747 --> 01:28:34,547
Speaker 24: it's all just kept me really calm and going, Hey, look,

1708
01:28:34,787 --> 01:28:37,427
Speaker 24: we've worked, we've worked hard, we've done the work, We've

1709
01:28:37,507 --> 01:28:41,307
Speaker 24: dedicated our time to this. Now it's time to get

1710
01:28:41,387 --> 01:28:43,227
Speaker 24: behind it and simmer down and do the job.

1711
01:28:43,987 --> 01:28:45,947
Speaker 2: How long has this been a goal for you?

1712
01:28:47,587 --> 01:28:53,387
Speaker 24: Oh, don't ask me that. It's been an ongoing dream

1713
01:28:53,547 --> 01:29:01,227
Speaker 24: for so long. I think my first proper memory of going, hey,

1714
01:29:01,387 --> 01:29:05,427
Speaker 24: maybe I could go to the Games was end of

1715
01:29:05,587 --> 01:29:08,227
Speaker 24: two thousand and fourteen when I went to my first

1716
01:29:08,387 --> 01:29:12,547
Speaker 24: overseas competition, which was an Australian Grand Prix. I ended

1717
01:29:12,627 --> 01:29:15,667
Speaker 24: up third in my rifle because at the time I

1718
01:29:15,747 --> 01:29:19,667
Speaker 24: was only doing rifle, and I was just so surprised

1719
01:29:19,827 --> 01:29:22,387
Speaker 24: at my results and I was like, hey, maybe maybe

1720
01:29:22,547 --> 01:29:26,627
Speaker 24: I could do this, And yeah, just been working away

1721
01:29:26,747 --> 01:29:29,867
Speaker 24: at it and chipping at this massive rock that I

1722
01:29:30,027 --> 01:29:33,187
Speaker 24: never thought I could break through, and now that it's here,

1723
01:29:33,427 --> 01:29:37,907
Speaker 24: I'm like, oh, no, what to do now? But nah,

1724
01:29:38,027 --> 01:29:42,387
Speaker 24: I think because I've dedicated so much time, so much effort,

1725
01:29:43,587 --> 01:29:45,667
Speaker 24: and all the hard work over the years I've put in,

1726
01:29:46,267 --> 01:29:48,107
Speaker 24: and at the end of the day, actually, I just

1727
01:29:48,387 --> 01:29:51,307
Speaker 24: love what we do. I love shooting. I love being

1728
01:29:51,347 --> 01:29:53,547
Speaker 24: able to aim at something and hit it so accurately.

1729
01:29:54,307 --> 01:29:56,507
Speaker 25: And yeah, that.

1730
01:29:56,827 --> 01:30:00,227
Speaker 24: Massive boulder just got smaller and smaller. And now we're

1731
01:30:00,267 --> 01:30:03,227
Speaker 24: here and to do what I love on international stage.

1732
01:30:03,267 --> 01:30:05,907
Speaker 2: Oh that's so cool. Take us back the into twenty fourteen.

1733
01:30:05,987 --> 01:30:08,467
Speaker 2: So yeah, you started thinking about what might be possible.

1734
01:30:08,707 --> 01:30:11,667
Speaker 2: I guess Rio twenty sixteen was probably a bit close,

1735
01:30:11,747 --> 01:30:13,587
Speaker 2: only a couple of years away. But what about Tokyo

1736
01:30:14,187 --> 01:30:16,907
Speaker 2: Nela Was that ever a goal or was it always

1737
01:30:17,027 --> 01:30:19,387
Speaker 2: Paris that felt the one or felt like the one

1738
01:30:19,427 --> 01:30:20,107
Speaker 2: you'd be aiming for.

1739
01:30:21,627 --> 01:30:24,907
Speaker 24: No, Tokyo definitely was the first one I was aimed for.

1740
01:30:25,707 --> 01:30:30,387
Speaker 24: Rio was a bit too close for comfort, and funny enough,

1741
01:30:30,507 --> 01:30:34,147
Speaker 24: I was actually, I think only zero point two of

1742
01:30:34,227 --> 01:30:36,867
Speaker 24: a point off from winning a quota for New Zealand

1743
01:30:36,947 --> 01:30:42,867
Speaker 24: for Rio at the World Cup in Australia in twenty fifteen,

1744
01:30:42,907 --> 01:30:45,827
Speaker 24: which was my first World Cup. At the time, I

1745
01:30:45,907 --> 01:30:49,707
Speaker 24: didn't realize how important I guess that was. I kind

1746
01:30:49,707 --> 01:30:52,907
Speaker 24: of say, ah, yeah, not working towards Rio, it's fine,

1747
01:30:53,387 --> 01:30:58,467
Speaker 24: but Tokyo, Tokyo. I knuckled down and did the work,

1748
01:30:58,587 --> 01:31:02,747
Speaker 24: even though COVID came around and you know, put everybody

1749
01:31:02,827 --> 01:31:07,267
Speaker 24: on hold as well, which didn't help actually with us,

1750
01:31:07,427 --> 01:31:10,987
Speaker 24: because we need to go overseas to compete and at

1751
01:31:11,067 --> 01:31:14,787
Speaker 24: the time, as well, being a self fun athlete, it

1752
01:31:15,147 --> 01:31:17,787
Speaker 24: cost quite a lot to take the gear, an extra

1753
01:31:17,987 --> 01:31:20,467
Speaker 24: support person as well to help me with my gear,

1754
01:31:21,107 --> 01:31:25,507
Speaker 24: and getting all that together was just not so easy

1755
01:31:25,667 --> 01:31:29,987
Speaker 24: back then as well. And then yeah, I guess because

1756
01:31:30,027 --> 01:31:33,947
Speaker 24: of COVID, couldn't go to the World Cup, and then

1757
01:31:34,187 --> 01:31:36,547
Speaker 24: had to try and do home trials to see if

1758
01:31:36,587 --> 01:31:41,867
Speaker 24: we could get through selection that way. And unfortunately I

1759
01:31:41,987 --> 01:31:46,067
Speaker 24: had everything ticked off except for the quota, so I couldn't.

1760
01:31:46,707 --> 01:31:50,707
Speaker 24: I couldn't go to Tokyo, and almost it almost smashed

1761
01:31:50,787 --> 01:31:54,387
Speaker 24: my dreams of going to a Paralympic Games in the

1762
01:31:54,467 --> 01:31:57,347
Speaker 24: sense that it was just so devastating not being like,

1763
01:31:57,427 --> 01:32:00,507
Speaker 24: you know, putting all that work in and not getting

1764
01:32:00,787 --> 01:32:02,827
Speaker 24: to that point where we're like, yes, I've done it.

1765
01:32:03,987 --> 01:32:07,187
Speaker 24: But luckily, I say luckily, Unfortunately, because we went into

1766
01:32:07,307 --> 01:32:10,187
Speaker 24: the COVID lockdown again in twenty twenty one, I think

1767
01:32:10,227 --> 01:32:13,267
Speaker 24: it was August. It was around the same time that

1768
01:32:13,427 --> 01:32:16,587
Speaker 24: the games were on. So I went home and was like, Okay,

1769
01:32:16,747 --> 01:32:19,387
Speaker 24: I'm gonna go back to Kanaday. I'm gonna have some

1770
01:32:19,587 --> 01:32:22,587
Speaker 24: chill time. I'm gonna put my guns down, and I'm

1771
01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:26,587
Speaker 24: just going to focus on work, study and family time.

1772
01:32:27,107 --> 01:32:29,587
Speaker 24: And that was the best thing for me because I

1773
01:32:29,707 --> 01:32:32,027
Speaker 24: was able to watch the games chair my friends on

1774
01:32:32,907 --> 01:32:36,587
Speaker 24: and seven months later I was back at the range

1775
01:32:37,347 --> 01:32:40,067
Speaker 24: shooting and doing what I love and remembering my why.

1776
01:32:40,867 --> 01:32:44,667
Speaker 24: And I think this cycle has been really great in

1777
01:32:44,747 --> 01:32:48,227
Speaker 24: the sense that I've learned from Tokyo and I've gone, Okay,

1778
01:32:48,547 --> 01:32:50,987
Speaker 24: it is what it is, it's like, but the dream

1779
01:32:51,067 --> 01:32:54,547
Speaker 24: is still alive, dream is still raw, and we've just

1780
01:32:54,667 --> 01:32:56,867
Speaker 24: got to chip at this boulder and see how we

1781
01:32:56,987 --> 01:33:00,307
Speaker 24: can go. And managed to do the same thing. I

1782
01:33:00,387 --> 01:33:03,267
Speaker 24: was in the same boat this time round as well,

1783
01:33:03,667 --> 01:33:07,467
Speaker 24: except I had done better in my performances, had traveled

1784
01:33:07,467 --> 01:33:10,547
Speaker 24: a little bit more as well, and yeah, did the job.

1785
01:33:10,707 --> 01:33:11,507
Speaker 24: But now I'm here.

1786
01:33:12,427 --> 01:33:15,787
Speaker 2: So it's always been the rifle, but you've added the

1787
01:33:15,907 --> 01:33:19,707
Speaker 2: pistol also to your repertoire. You'll compete in both events

1788
01:33:20,147 --> 01:33:22,587
Speaker 2: at the Paralympics. How did you come to add the

1789
01:33:22,627 --> 01:33:25,707
Speaker 2: pistol to your repertoire? What was that in twenty nineteen?

1790
01:33:27,347 --> 01:33:28,027
Speaker 14: Yeah, so I.

1791
01:33:28,107 --> 01:33:34,107
Speaker 24: Actually technically, I said, technically added it in twenty and seventeen.

1792
01:33:34,747 --> 01:33:38,347
Speaker 24: The reason being is I've got rheumatoid arthritis in my

1793
01:33:38,507 --> 01:33:43,747
Speaker 24: right elbow and around that time I was struggling to shoot.

1794
01:33:43,907 --> 01:33:46,587
Speaker 24: I was really struggling to shoot because with rifle I

1795
01:33:46,707 --> 01:33:50,787
Speaker 24: lean on table with both elbows, and because I couldn't

1796
01:33:50,867 --> 01:33:54,027
Speaker 24: lean on it every time well actually every time i'd

1797
01:33:54,107 --> 01:33:56,587
Speaker 24: lean on my elbow, I just couldn't. It was just

1798
01:33:56,707 --> 01:33:59,347
Speaker 24: so painful and moving it around was changing my position,

1799
01:33:59,907 --> 01:34:02,867
Speaker 24: and admittedly I got a little bit scared. I was

1800
01:34:02,867 --> 01:34:04,827
Speaker 24: a little bit scared. I had to give my dream up.

1801
01:34:04,907 --> 01:34:08,067
Speaker 24: And so I looked at it and went, actually, hang on,

1802
01:34:08,787 --> 01:34:12,467
Speaker 24: I've got this mantra in my head that I can

1803
01:34:12,627 --> 01:34:15,787
Speaker 24: shoot anything. So let's try and see what pistal can do.

1804
01:34:15,987 --> 01:34:19,387
Speaker 24: And so I picked up pistole, had a chat to

1805
01:34:19,587 --> 01:34:23,147
Speaker 24: my coach, Ricky Zell, and say, hey, can you coach

1806
01:34:23,267 --> 01:34:26,267
Speaker 24: me on pistol and let's see how that goes, and

1807
01:34:27,147 --> 01:34:31,387
Speaker 24: funny enough, wasn't taking it seriously because obviously rifle was

1808
01:34:31,427 --> 01:34:33,827
Speaker 24: the baby, And I was like, yep, first call.

1809
01:34:34,827 --> 01:34:35,307
Speaker 17: I took the.

1810
01:34:35,347 --> 01:34:38,947
Speaker 24: Pistle to my World Cup in Thailand in twenty seventeen,

1811
01:34:39,387 --> 01:34:43,267
Speaker 24: first ever competition for pistol. Not the smartest idea, but

1812
01:34:43,387 --> 01:34:46,267
Speaker 24: I was like, hey, why not? And I ended up

1813
01:34:46,387 --> 01:34:50,267
Speaker 24: qualifying for the World Championships for two thousand and eighteen,

1814
01:34:50,827 --> 01:34:54,427
Speaker 24: and I was like, oh wow, like what how did

1815
01:34:54,467 --> 01:34:57,387
Speaker 24: this happen? But unfortunately I couldn't go because then I

1816
01:34:57,587 --> 01:35:01,027
Speaker 24: ended up having elbow surgery the following year and so

1817
01:35:01,987 --> 01:35:05,547
Speaker 24: couldn't complete the championships bar and saying that it was

1818
01:35:05,547 --> 01:35:08,427
Speaker 24: a blessing in disguy because I was able to shoot rifle,

1819
01:35:08,507 --> 01:35:11,867
Speaker 24: and so then both of them just played a part.

1820
01:35:12,147 --> 01:35:16,227
Speaker 24: And yeah, I just I can't pick. I can't pick

1821
01:35:16,307 --> 01:35:18,947
Speaker 24: which one's better because both of them are just as good.

1822
01:35:19,307 --> 01:35:22,387
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned that mentra there of shooting your shots?

1823
01:35:23,427 --> 01:35:27,027
Speaker 2: Is that the same across the two? It feels like

1824
01:35:27,307 --> 01:35:29,467
Speaker 2: shooting a pistol and shooting a rifle are quite different.

1825
01:35:29,547 --> 01:35:32,227
Speaker 2: But are there similarities things that apply to both?

1826
01:35:32,747 --> 01:35:35,707
Speaker 24: Yeah, so I guess the way that I look at

1827
01:35:35,947 --> 01:35:41,387
Speaker 24: a rifle and pistol for anybody that plays instruments, musical instruments,

1828
01:35:41,587 --> 01:35:45,867
Speaker 24: it's kind of like say playing a piano versus playing guitar.

1829
01:35:46,267 --> 01:35:50,787
Speaker 24: So you know everything is like how to play is different, right,

1830
01:35:50,907 --> 01:35:53,147
Speaker 24: the physicality of how to play is different, but you're

1831
01:35:53,187 --> 01:35:56,467
Speaker 24: reading the same music. So because you're reading the same music,

1832
01:35:56,547 --> 01:36:00,227
Speaker 24: you know, the mental skills are the same. Your process

1833
01:36:00,547 --> 01:36:04,627
Speaker 24: is pretty similar as well. It's just the mechanics I

1834
01:36:04,707 --> 01:36:07,707
Speaker 24: guess that are slightly different. And like triggering as well.

1835
01:36:07,867 --> 01:36:11,587
Speaker 24: Everything's the same. So because I have got a slightly

1836
01:36:11,787 --> 01:36:14,827
Speaker 24: musical background, it works better for my head as well.

1837
01:36:15,027 --> 01:36:18,707
Speaker 24: And I think also because I'm pretty unique in the

1838
01:36:18,787 --> 01:36:21,627
Speaker 24: sense that half of me is pistol half of men's rifle.

1839
01:36:21,787 --> 01:36:25,867
Speaker 24: So I shoot left handed pistol and right handed rifle,

1840
01:36:26,307 --> 01:36:30,027
Speaker 24: and so most people shoot half I guess, as in

1841
01:36:30,147 --> 01:36:33,147
Speaker 24: like they do right side left side. I say I'm

1842
01:36:33,227 --> 01:36:36,587
Speaker 24: a full shooter because technically I am. I do rifle

1843
01:36:36,627 --> 01:36:38,227
Speaker 24: and pistol as a whole, and that makes me a

1844
01:36:38,267 --> 01:36:38,787
Speaker 24: whole person.

1845
01:36:39,107 --> 01:36:41,307
Speaker 2: Well, what a great analogy too with the with the

1846
01:36:41,427 --> 01:36:43,947
Speaker 2: music that gives us a great, great understanding of it.

1847
01:36:44,387 --> 01:36:47,427
Speaker 2: You coached in the Air Rifle by Michael Johnson. He's

1848
01:36:47,467 --> 01:36:51,387
Speaker 2: there in Paris about to compete at his sixth Paralympics. Incredible.

1849
01:36:51,547 --> 01:36:53,267
Speaker 2: Tell us about his influence on you.

1850
01:36:55,027 --> 01:36:59,547
Speaker 24: Mike's been like one of my biggest supporters from way

1851
01:36:59,587 --> 01:37:02,667
Speaker 24: way way back. He was the first one to actually

1852
01:37:03,267 --> 01:37:06,507
Speaker 24: coach me, and I say coach because of my At

1853
01:37:06,507 --> 01:37:08,747
Speaker 24: the time, I didn't think it was coaching. It was

1854
01:37:08,787 --> 01:37:13,707
Speaker 24: more showing me air rifle back in twenty eleven at

1855
01:37:13,747 --> 01:37:17,507
Speaker 24: the Otarraspinal unit. And then when we got our range

1856
01:37:17,667 --> 01:37:21,627
Speaker 24: in twenty twelve, Mike started coaching me a little bit

1857
01:37:21,707 --> 01:37:22,667
Speaker 24: more and regularly.

1858
01:37:22,827 --> 01:37:24,227
Speaker 14: And yeah, he.

1859
01:37:24,867 --> 01:37:27,907
Speaker 24: Showed me rifle. I stuck with rifle. And you know,

1860
01:37:28,147 --> 01:37:30,827
Speaker 24: it's very very special that I get to be here

1861
01:37:30,947 --> 01:37:35,427
Speaker 24: to witness the six Paralympic Games. But also, you know,

1862
01:37:35,547 --> 01:37:37,747
Speaker 24: one of my dreams was to be able to go

1863
01:37:37,947 --> 01:37:41,747
Speaker 24: to a games while he's competing as well. And it's

1864
01:37:41,907 --> 01:37:45,267
Speaker 24: just a phenomenal time really, Like it's just incredible that

1865
01:37:45,427 --> 01:37:48,547
Speaker 24: I get to share this experience with him and he

1866
01:37:48,667 --> 01:37:51,107
Speaker 24: can share it with me and see all the work

1867
01:37:51,187 --> 01:37:53,747
Speaker 24: that he's done to get me to this point as well.

1868
01:37:54,547 --> 01:37:57,867
Speaker 2: And you're breaking new ground yourself, Neila. You know, as

1869
01:37:57,907 --> 01:38:00,507
Speaker 2: I said before, the first female key we shooter at

1870
01:38:00,547 --> 01:38:03,827
Speaker 2: a Paralympics and forty years first woman ever to represent

1871
01:38:03,987 --> 01:38:08,147
Speaker 2: US in pistol at a Paralympic. You're blazing a trail.

1872
01:38:08,747 --> 01:38:10,867
Speaker 2: How motivated are you to do that to inspire others,

1873
01:38:10,987 --> 01:38:13,787
Speaker 2: especially young females, to get involved in parachuting.

1874
01:38:15,067 --> 01:38:18,067
Speaker 24: Yeah, so I love that I could smash some of

1875
01:38:18,147 --> 01:38:22,387
Speaker 24: those barriers that have been in place, especially since you know,

1876
01:38:22,987 --> 01:38:26,107
Speaker 24: forty years is a long time since having a female shooter,

1877
01:38:26,627 --> 01:38:30,427
Speaker 24: and you know, it's it was back in the day

1878
01:38:30,547 --> 01:38:33,467
Speaker 24: seen as a masculine sport and now I think there's

1879
01:38:33,547 --> 01:38:38,067
Speaker 24: more equality coming through as well with shooting. And I

1880
01:38:38,187 --> 01:38:41,347
Speaker 24: think just seeing females getting into sport, regardless whether it's

1881
01:38:41,347 --> 01:38:43,907
Speaker 24: shooting or not. Like obviously I am biased and I'd

1882
01:38:43,987 --> 01:38:46,387
Speaker 24: love to see more shooters in New Zealand come through,

1883
01:38:46,947 --> 01:38:50,747
Speaker 24: But just getting females in sports is a big, a

1884
01:38:50,867 --> 01:38:54,507
Speaker 24: big drive, Like it just provides so many good things,

1885
01:38:54,587 --> 01:38:58,067
Speaker 24: good elements for a person, not just the sport itself,

1886
01:38:58,107 --> 01:39:00,707
Speaker 24: but you know, helps somebody to grow and develop it

1887
01:39:00,867 --> 01:39:04,107
Speaker 24: as a person, and you know, just find so many

1888
01:39:04,147 --> 01:39:08,907
Speaker 24: good vibes, good things into into life. So yeah, just

1889
01:39:09,227 --> 01:39:13,747
Speaker 24: helping everybody to get to that point is awesome. And

1890
01:39:14,187 --> 01:39:17,027
Speaker 24: being a trailblazer. I don't really see myself as a trailblazer.

1891
01:39:17,307 --> 01:39:19,307
Speaker 24: I was like, I'm just needlam, like, I just do

1892
01:39:19,467 --> 01:39:23,907
Speaker 24: what I do, and yeah, but it's it's good that,

1893
01:39:24,227 --> 01:39:28,947
Speaker 24: you know. I think seeing someone who is colored with

1894
01:39:29,107 --> 01:39:33,067
Speaker 24: the disability and female, that's a rare combination. And I

1895
01:39:33,187 --> 01:39:37,747
Speaker 24: think that that it's making a huge impact in itself

1896
01:39:38,027 --> 01:39:38,387
Speaker 24: right now.

1897
01:39:38,707 --> 01:39:41,867
Speaker 2: It certainly is. It certainly is. I'd call you a trailblazer, Neilam.

1898
01:39:41,907 --> 01:39:44,547
Speaker 2: It's been such a delight to chat to you. Thank

1899
01:39:44,547 --> 01:39:46,547
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. All the best in

1900
01:39:46,587 --> 01:39:48,747
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks in Paris. I can't wait

1901
01:39:48,787 --> 01:39:50,667
Speaker 2: to see what happens in the next couple of weeks

1902
01:39:50,667 --> 01:39:52,667
Speaker 2: for you. Thanks so much for your time, col thanks

1903
01:39:52,707 --> 01:39:55,107
Speaker 2: for having me, Thanks for joining us, Neil Neilam, O'Neill

1904
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Speaker 2: there from I think Auckland. Yeah, Auckland. I think I

1905
01:40:00,747 --> 01:40:02,347
Speaker 2: could be wrong, though I probably shouldn't say that just

1906
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Speaker 2: in case she's not. But she's certainly a part of

1907
01:40:04,427 --> 01:40:07,987
Speaker 2: our Paralympics team and the first female Kiwi shooter to

1908
01:40:08,107 --> 01:40:12,867
Speaker 2: compete at a Paralympic Games in forty years. Looking forward

1909
01:40:12,867 --> 01:40:16,827
Speaker 2: to getting the Paralympics underway. On Thursday two twenty four

1910
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Speaker 2: Otago seven Bay of twenty seven after nineteen minutes of

1911
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Speaker 2: their Bunning's MPC match under the roof in Dunedin, Wellington

1912
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Speaker 2: and monter Or two will get underway in Pottydoer in

1913
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Speaker 2: around ten minutes time. When we come back to Motorsport,

1914
01:40:29,067 --> 01:40:33,067
Speaker 2: we go and this set of comments during the week

1915
01:40:33,107 --> 01:40:36,547
Speaker 2: about Liam Lawson potentially getting a full time Formula One

1916
01:40:36,667 --> 01:40:39,387
Speaker 2: drive next year, either with Red Bull or their sister

1917
01:40:39,507 --> 01:40:42,467
Speaker 2: team RB. Bob McMurray knows more about these things than

1918
01:40:42,507 --> 01:40:45,147
Speaker 2: most of us. What does he read into it? Is

1919
01:40:45,227 --> 01:40:49,307
Speaker 2: this a cast iron guarantee that Liam Lawson will get

1920
01:40:49,307 --> 01:40:50,947
Speaker 2: a full time seat. We'll find out at the moment,

1921
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Speaker 2: Bob McMurray.

1922
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Speaker 1: Right after this the Voice of Sport on your Home

1923
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1924
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1925
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Speaker 2: Dogs V Coming up to twenty eight. Liam Lawson could

1926
01:41:05,867 --> 01:41:08,427
Speaker 2: have a full time drive in Formula One next year.

1927
01:41:08,547 --> 01:41:12,067
Speaker 2: Red Bull advisor Helmet Marco said this week he'll either

1928
01:41:12,187 --> 01:41:14,787
Speaker 2: be a part of the main team next year or

1929
01:41:14,867 --> 01:41:18,107
Speaker 2: the sister outfit RB. Now Liam Lawson's been acting as

1930
01:41:18,147 --> 01:41:21,067
Speaker 2: a reserve driver for both teams this year. In an

1931
01:41:21,147 --> 01:41:24,747
Speaker 2: interview with an Austrian newspaper, Helmet Marco said there'll be

1932
01:41:24,827 --> 01:41:28,387
Speaker 2: a decision next month and Lawson will definitely be in

1933
01:41:28,467 --> 01:41:31,347
Speaker 2: one of their cars next year. It's the most definitive

1934
01:41:31,387 --> 01:41:34,227
Speaker 2: confirmation yet that Lawson will be activated as a full

1935
01:41:34,267 --> 01:41:37,587
Speaker 2: time driver. Reports are suggesting too, he has an exit

1936
01:41:37,747 --> 01:41:41,147
Speaker 2: clause from Red Bull Racing that he can use if

1937
01:41:41,187 --> 01:41:44,667
Speaker 2: he doesn't get a full time F one drive next year.

1938
01:41:45,027 --> 01:41:48,227
Speaker 2: Motor racing expert Bob McMurray is with us. Bob, are

1939
01:41:48,307 --> 01:41:52,387
Speaker 2: these comments from Helmet Marco a cast iron guarantee of

1940
01:41:52,467 --> 01:41:55,267
Speaker 2: a full time drive for Liam Lawson in Formula one

1941
01:41:55,307 --> 01:41:55,667
Speaker 2: next year?

1942
01:41:56,467 --> 01:42:01,587
Speaker 17: No, in a word, that comment or those comments by

1943
01:42:02,267 --> 01:42:06,387
Speaker 17: Marco have been superseded, we could say, by the the

1944
01:42:06,707 --> 01:42:09,627
Speaker 17: other part of the boss of Red Bull, Christian Horner,

1945
01:42:09,907 --> 01:42:12,227
Speaker 17: who said I asked Humbert about it all and he

1946
01:42:12,347 --> 01:42:14,907
Speaker 17: said Liam will have a seat in Formula one. He

1947
01:42:14,987 --> 01:42:16,627
Speaker 17: didn't say it would be in a Red Bull car.

1948
01:42:17,347 --> 01:42:20,307
Speaker 17: He didn't say where it would be. In fact, so

1949
01:42:20,547 --> 01:42:22,587
Speaker 17: Christian Horner who is now saying, but it could be

1950
01:42:22,707 --> 01:42:26,147
Speaker 17: somewhere else there's nothing set in stone. Well, if you

1951
01:42:26,227 --> 01:42:30,347
Speaker 17: go somewhere else, you haven't got too many options, have you. Mercedes,

1952
01:42:30,747 --> 01:42:33,467
Speaker 17: Well they've already got this young Antonelli kid signed up.

1953
01:42:33,627 --> 01:42:36,467
Speaker 17: We think pretty certain of that. So that's that done.

1954
01:42:36,787 --> 01:42:39,107
Speaker 17: The only other place really apart from the Red Bull

1955
01:42:39,267 --> 01:42:41,187
Speaker 17: or the RB setup, and I'll come to that in

1956
01:42:41,227 --> 01:42:45,147
Speaker 17: a minute, is Audi. Now there's been well rumored that Audi,

1957
01:42:45,267 --> 01:42:50,027
Speaker 17: which is currently the lowest team, in fact that Adams

1958
01:42:50,267 --> 01:42:54,587
Speaker 17: Scadny points at all this year lowest ranking team on

1959
01:42:54,667 --> 01:42:57,827
Speaker 17: the ladder. They have been courting that. We believe Liam

1960
01:42:57,907 --> 01:43:00,547
Speaker 17: Lawson somehow or other for some time, but of course

1961
01:43:00,667 --> 01:43:03,227
Speaker 17: Red Bull in the form of Horna or Marco, have

1962
01:43:03,387 --> 01:43:05,907
Speaker 17: been holding him back from doing anything because he has

1963
01:43:05,947 --> 01:43:09,027
Speaker 17: a contry, as you say, until the end of this year,

1964
01:43:09,547 --> 01:43:12,107
Speaker 17: and if they don't give him a drive of some

1965
01:43:12,387 --> 01:43:15,267
Speaker 17: sort by the end of September then he's free to leave.

1966
01:43:15,787 --> 01:43:19,467
Speaker 17: So they may be, I don't know, just dancing around

1967
01:43:19,507 --> 01:43:21,707
Speaker 17: the maypole here with him, and I think they're being

1968
01:43:21,867 --> 01:43:27,747
Speaker 17: exceptionally unfair and exceptionally cruel to somebody who career will

1969
01:43:27,827 --> 01:43:30,947
Speaker 17: be ruined if he doesn't get a drive somewhere next year.

1970
01:43:31,147 --> 01:43:33,787
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was My gut reaction to Bob was that

1971
01:43:33,907 --> 01:43:37,347
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem very fair on Liam Lawson. He's been

1972
01:43:37,387 --> 01:43:41,267
Speaker 2: given half promises and I guess you know, had you know,

1973
01:43:41,547 --> 01:43:43,747
Speaker 2: conversations with I'm sure a lot of people about what

1974
01:43:43,867 --> 01:43:46,547
Speaker 2: his future might hold. But he needs, he needs the

1975
01:43:46,667 --> 01:43:48,947
Speaker 2: proof in that pudding. If he were to take a

1976
01:43:49,067 --> 01:43:52,547
Speaker 2: seat with Red Bull, whose seat would he take?

1977
01:43:53,587 --> 01:43:57,227
Speaker 17: Well, once again, they're being very cagy on what they've got.

1978
01:43:57,307 --> 01:43:59,907
Speaker 17: The only person that does not have a contract between

1979
01:43:59,987 --> 01:44:02,627
Speaker 17: the RB team which is Visa whatever they call it,

1980
01:44:03,067 --> 01:44:05,707
Speaker 17: and the Red Bull team, which is Rastapan's team, the

1981
01:44:05,787 --> 01:44:08,307
Speaker 17: only person that doesn't actually have a contract for next

1982
01:44:08,427 --> 01:44:12,467
Speaker 17: year is Daniel Ricardo. Now, he hasn't covered himself in

1983
01:44:12,547 --> 01:44:17,067
Speaker 17: any glory this season, not all. He in fact today

1984
01:44:17,387 --> 01:44:21,747
Speaker 17: or last night, he qualified well below his teammate Yuki Sonoda,

1985
01:44:21,827 --> 01:44:23,947
Speaker 17: and that's the first thing he has to do, keep

1986
01:44:23,987 --> 01:44:27,547
Speaker 17: out qualifying him hasn't done that. Ricardo is not going anywhere.

1987
01:44:27,707 --> 01:44:29,867
Speaker 17: The only place he can go is to stay in

1988
01:44:30,027 --> 01:44:33,507
Speaker 17: the RB team. The other person, of course, that's in

1989
01:44:33,707 --> 01:44:36,907
Speaker 17: the Red Bulls set up is Perez. He is constantly

1990
01:44:37,067 --> 01:44:41,987
Speaker 17: being threatened or you could say, with losing his seat

1991
01:44:42,027 --> 01:44:45,547
Speaker 17: because he's not performing as well as he should. He

1992
01:44:45,707 --> 01:44:47,707
Speaker 17: does have a contract for next year, but Red Bull

1993
01:44:47,747 --> 01:44:51,227
Speaker 17: and contracts, you can just you know, then there's less

1994
01:44:51,227 --> 01:44:57,187
Speaker 17: than toilet paper. In fact, the other person, interestingly that

1995
01:44:57,427 --> 01:45:01,587
Speaker 17: may leave is for Stappan himself. The rumors still persist

1996
01:45:01,907 --> 01:45:07,027
Speaker 17: that for Stappen is being courted for Mercedes. Now I

1997
01:45:07,187 --> 01:45:09,947
Speaker 17: can't see that happening for next year, but those rumors

1998
01:45:09,987 --> 01:45:11,587
Speaker 17: are there. So where can Liam go?

1999
01:45:13,147 --> 01:45:13,627
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2000
01:45:14,027 --> 01:45:16,747
Speaker 17: I've got no idea. So then by them saying that

2001
01:45:16,907 --> 01:45:19,707
Speaker 17: he will guaranteed have a seat in Formula One, there's

2002
01:45:19,747 --> 01:45:22,947
Speaker 17: only two places he can get effectively. That is Aldi

2003
01:45:23,187 --> 01:45:26,747
Speaker 17: to be loaned out to them, or which is the

2004
01:45:26,827 --> 01:45:30,627
Speaker 17: Salva team. Incidentally he is called Aldi and Salba, or

2005
01:45:31,027 --> 01:45:34,147
Speaker 17: just to the Red Bull, to the RB team with

2006
01:45:34,307 --> 01:45:37,187
Speaker 17: Yuku Sinoda. I don't see any other options for him.

2007
01:45:37,587 --> 01:45:39,427
Speaker 2: I look at or listen to the names you've just

2008
01:45:39,507 --> 01:45:42,027
Speaker 2: read out that the Red Bull drivers and the RB drivers,

2009
01:45:42,187 --> 01:45:45,827
Speaker 2: and it goes beyond their driving ability, doesn't it, Bob?

2010
01:45:45,907 --> 01:45:49,547
Speaker 2: In terms of Sonoda's commercial attractiveness as a Japanese driver,

2011
01:45:49,627 --> 01:45:51,147
Speaker 2: Piriz I think is Mexican, isn't he? And I think

2012
01:45:51,147 --> 01:45:54,787
Speaker 2: that it brings with it a similar commercial attractiveness. Daniel

2013
01:45:54,867 --> 01:45:57,947
Speaker 2: Ricardo was a star and drive to survive the Netflix series.

2014
01:45:57,987 --> 01:45:59,467
Speaker 2: There's more to it than just the way you drive

2015
01:45:59,507 --> 01:46:00,107
Speaker 2: the car, isn't it.

2016
01:46:00,827 --> 01:46:04,227
Speaker 17: Yeah? Very much, so, very much so Sonoda, Yes, you're right.

2017
01:46:04,307 --> 01:46:07,827
Speaker 17: He is backed by Honda, and that will finish when

2018
01:46:07,947 --> 01:46:12,307
Speaker 17: Honda go to the Aston Martin team in twenty twenty

2019
01:46:12,347 --> 01:46:15,467
Speaker 17: six and onwards. So yeah, Sonoda is there next year,

2020
01:46:15,867 --> 01:46:19,267
Speaker 17: but he's not forever. Daniel Ricardo. As soon as he

2021
01:46:19,427 --> 01:46:23,067
Speaker 17: was signed and he was on Netflix, the cans of

2022
01:46:23,147 --> 01:46:25,507
Speaker 17: the fizzy drink in America went up I think by

2023
01:46:25,587 --> 01:46:28,907
Speaker 17: some eight or ten percent or something like that. That's

2024
01:46:28,947 --> 01:46:31,747
Speaker 17: a lot of cans of fizzy drink he brings. And yes,

2025
01:46:31,827 --> 01:46:35,067
Speaker 17: he's a media star rather than being a racing star.

2026
01:46:35,147 --> 01:46:39,387
Speaker 17: At the moment, Sergio Perez he is sponsored or supported

2027
01:46:39,467 --> 01:46:42,267
Speaker 17: and has been for many many years, not by the

2028
01:46:42,347 --> 01:46:46,387
Speaker 17: Mexican population, but also by a guy called Carlos Slim,

2029
01:46:46,427 --> 01:46:48,667
Speaker 17: who's the richest guy in Mexico, one of the richest

2030
01:46:48,667 --> 01:46:52,387
Speaker 17: people in the world, and he pours a huge amount

2031
01:46:52,427 --> 01:46:57,267
Speaker 17: of money into Sergio Perez. So yeah, commercial considerations are plenty,

2032
01:46:57,827 --> 01:47:01,267
Speaker 17: and that really I suppose in the team like Red Bull,

2033
01:47:01,867 --> 01:47:06,027
Speaker 17: who is the team itself is in an actual factor,

2034
01:47:06,067 --> 01:47:10,187
Speaker 17: is in a lot of political strife from within. There

2035
01:47:10,307 --> 01:47:13,907
Speaker 17: is I suppose you could say, I claim to be

2036
01:47:14,027 --> 01:47:17,387
Speaker 17: the boss from helmet Marco and Christian Horner, and there

2037
01:47:17,467 --> 01:47:19,587
Speaker 17: is a fight between the two of them for supremacy

2038
01:47:19,707 --> 01:47:22,467
Speaker 17: in that team. Clearly Christian Horner has won that fight,

2039
01:47:22,867 --> 01:47:26,747
Speaker 17: and Christian Horner's favorite drivers in the entire setup, par

2040
01:47:26,947 --> 01:47:31,027
Speaker 17: Ricardo and Perez, he has stuck with them absolutely. So

2041
01:47:31,827 --> 01:47:34,547
Speaker 17: it's you know, Liam Lawson's in the middle of not

2042
01:47:34,707 --> 01:47:38,227
Speaker 17: only a commercial fight to get to get a seat

2043
01:47:38,267 --> 01:47:41,347
Speaker 17: in Formula One, but a political fight within Red Bull

2044
01:47:41,827 --> 01:47:44,227
Speaker 17: as well as being a damn good driver. And of

2045
01:47:44,347 --> 01:47:49,587
Speaker 17: course Liam Lawson knows the internal workings of the best cart,

2046
01:47:49,667 --> 01:47:51,947
Speaker 17: what was the best car on the grid up until

2047
01:47:52,067 --> 01:47:57,347
Speaker 17: this moment, being their test driver, being their experimental driver,

2048
01:47:57,907 --> 01:48:01,387
Speaker 17: being their driver, but to stand in to sort the

2049
01:48:01,467 --> 01:48:04,027
Speaker 17: car out in the simulator and all that sort of thing.

2050
01:48:04,547 --> 01:48:07,347
Speaker 17: If he leaves, he takes an awful lone secrets with him,

2051
01:48:07,587 --> 01:48:10,267
Speaker 17: So he is a attractive proposition for them to keep

2052
01:48:10,467 --> 01:48:11,707
Speaker 17: and for another team to try.

2053
01:48:11,547 --> 01:48:12,107
Speaker 13: And get hold of.

2054
01:48:13,107 --> 01:48:14,867
Speaker 2: Supposed to be a development team for Red Bull.

2055
01:48:15,587 --> 01:48:17,507
Speaker 17: Well, that's how it was set up, and that's how

2056
01:48:17,747 --> 01:48:20,827
Speaker 17: Ditrich Matisich, the boss of Red Bull, set it up

2057
01:48:20,947 --> 01:48:24,947
Speaker 17: with Helmet Marco. But of course, with the unfortunate death

2058
01:48:24,987 --> 01:48:29,427
Speaker 17: of Matasic last year, well that's kind of gone out

2059
01:48:29,467 --> 01:48:32,227
Speaker 17: of the windows that Christian Horner now doesn't necessarily see

2060
01:48:32,227 --> 01:48:35,227
Speaker 17: it as a development team unless he's trying to develop

2061
01:48:35,307 --> 01:48:38,867
Speaker 17: one driver and that's Daniel Ricardo and that hasn't succeeded,

2062
01:48:39,187 --> 01:48:42,507
Speaker 17: not at all, So it may have to go back

2063
01:48:42,547 --> 01:48:45,307
Speaker 17: to being a development team. If that's the case, then

2064
01:48:45,347 --> 01:48:47,267
Speaker 17: they're going to try and put Liam Lawson in there.

2065
01:48:47,827 --> 01:48:54,267
Speaker 17: It's an incredibly difficult term situation for Liam, who's effectively powerless,

2066
01:48:54,387 --> 01:48:57,187
Speaker 17: and his backers because they don't come with huge amounts

2067
01:48:57,187 --> 01:49:02,187
Speaker 17: of money. It's an incredible difficult situation for him and

2068
01:49:02,387 --> 01:49:06,227
Speaker 17: his backers, and in certain sense it's a difficult situation

2069
01:49:06,507 --> 01:49:10,947
Speaker 17: for Horner and Marco because they have a They have

2070
01:49:11,107 --> 01:49:13,467
Speaker 17: more problems than just trying to sort out one driver

2071
01:49:13,627 --> 01:49:16,227
Speaker 17: going into a seat. It's the entire team they're trying

2072
01:49:16,227 --> 01:49:18,507
Speaker 17: to sort out all at the same time with what's

2073
01:49:18,587 --> 01:49:21,947
Speaker 17: going on internally in the Red Bull setup.

2074
01:49:22,547 --> 01:49:24,507
Speaker 2: What's your best guess then Bob and I know this

2075
01:49:24,627 --> 01:49:26,947
Speaker 2: is fraught worth per all trying to guess what's going

2076
01:49:26,987 --> 01:49:29,467
Speaker 2: to happen, trying to crystal ball Gayze against the backdrop

2077
01:49:29,507 --> 01:49:31,787
Speaker 2: that you've outlined for us. So, well, what is your

2078
01:49:31,867 --> 01:49:35,387
Speaker 2: best guess about what twenty twenty five will hold for

2079
01:49:35,427 --> 01:49:36,027
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson?

2080
01:49:37,027 --> 01:49:40,867
Speaker 17: Well, the thing I hold on to is the Christian

2081
01:49:41,027 --> 01:49:43,587
Speaker 17: Order is saying it's not guaranteed yet. It's not guaranteed

2082
01:49:43,667 --> 01:49:46,907
Speaker 17: yet because he wants to keep Ricardo and Perez on side.

2083
01:49:47,147 --> 01:49:49,787
Speaker 17: He doesn't want to say, now, yes, Liam is going

2084
01:49:49,827 --> 01:49:53,307
Speaker 17: to be in one of our cars next year, because suddenly, okay,

2085
01:49:53,427 --> 01:49:55,027
Speaker 17: who's going to go? One of us is going to go?

2086
01:49:55,147 --> 01:49:55,507
Speaker 13: Perez?

2087
01:49:55,627 --> 01:49:55,947
Speaker 11: Is it me?

2088
01:49:56,667 --> 01:49:57,067
Speaker 13: Ricardo?

2089
01:49:57,187 --> 01:49:57,467
Speaker 25: Is it me?

2090
01:49:57,587 --> 01:49:59,427
Speaker 17: I don't know. So maybe he's just trying to keep

2091
01:49:59,467 --> 01:50:04,547
Speaker 17: those two guys interested in what they're doing. So my

2092
01:50:04,707 --> 01:50:08,507
Speaker 17: gut feeling is that, well, I think Liam will get

2093
01:50:08,547 --> 01:50:10,907
Speaker 17: a drive next year, But then I come up against

2094
01:50:10,947 --> 01:50:14,027
Speaker 17: my own thoughts about just where, and I can't see

2095
01:50:14,427 --> 01:50:17,067
Speaker 17: necessarily it's going to be that easy to slot him

2096
01:50:17,067 --> 01:50:21,187
Speaker 17: in unless Horner and Marco knows that one of their

2097
01:50:21,307 --> 01:50:24,387
Speaker 17: drivers Perez or Ricardo is going to be out the door.

2098
01:50:24,387 --> 01:50:27,507
Speaker 17: And I suggest that would be Ricardo before Perez.

2099
01:50:28,147 --> 01:50:30,627
Speaker 2: He's ready for a full time sait is any LIAMB.

2100
01:50:31,507 --> 01:50:34,027
Speaker 17: Absolutely he's ready. But if he doesn't drive next year,

2101
01:50:34,067 --> 01:50:36,187
Speaker 17: he won't be his career will be over in Formula

2102
01:50:36,267 --> 01:50:39,307
Speaker 17: one effectively, unless he gets a full time drive next year.

2103
01:50:39,747 --> 01:50:42,067
Speaker 17: You can't be a full time Formula One driver and

2104
01:50:42,227 --> 01:50:45,507
Speaker 17: drop out a year at his stage of life, and

2105
01:50:45,627 --> 01:50:47,227
Speaker 17: it's going to be difficult to come back. As it

2106
01:50:47,387 --> 01:50:50,667
Speaker 17: is if you drop out for two years without driving

2107
01:50:50,747 --> 01:50:54,587
Speaker 17: simulators or anything like that, it is very difficult. It's

2108
01:50:54,627 --> 01:50:57,147
Speaker 17: that you're driving a knife edge in Formula one and

2109
01:50:57,587 --> 01:51:01,507
Speaker 17: if you slip off that knife edge at all, you're

2110
01:51:01,547 --> 01:51:03,507
Speaker 17: in trouble. So if they don't, if he doesn't get

2111
01:51:03,507 --> 01:51:05,547
Speaker 17: a seat in Formula one next year, and believe me,

2112
01:51:05,947 --> 01:51:07,507
Speaker 17: if he gets to seat, I don't think he's going

2113
01:51:07,547 --> 01:51:10,667
Speaker 17: to be comfortable in that seat for the first I

2114
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Speaker 17: don't know, four or five, six races half the season

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01:51:13,547 --> 01:51:16,187
Speaker 17: next year until he really gets his mojo back again.

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Speaker 17: It's difficult to do, but he has the talent, he

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01:51:20,667 --> 01:51:23,507
Speaker 17: has the ability, he has the age on his side,

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01:51:24,267 --> 01:51:26,787
Speaker 17: and I believe he has the determination to do it.

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Speaker 17: So yeah, if he gets a seat, I think I

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01:51:29,947 --> 01:51:32,907
Speaker 17: think he'll he'll go on, he'll go on, he won't.

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01:51:32,987 --> 01:51:36,347
Speaker 2: Just store the clock is ticking. Fascinating analysis. Bob, thanks

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01:51:36,467 --> 01:51:38,347
Speaker 2: much for joining us today. Really appreciate your time.

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01:51:38,987 --> 01:51:39,627
Speaker 17: Thanks Poney.

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01:51:39,707 --> 01:51:41,427
Speaker 13: And one good thing that's come out of today, I

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01:51:41,587 --> 01:51:45,467
Speaker 13: just read that Seaneman gisberg has signed to do a

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01:51:45,587 --> 01:51:48,347
Speaker 13: full season of NASCAR in the Big Game, the NASCAR

2127
01:51:48,507 --> 01:51:51,187
Speaker 13: Cup next year. Somebody else we can watch progress.

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01:51:51,307 --> 01:51:54,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, terrific news. Thanks again, Bob, appreciate it, Thanks Pony,

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01:51:54,307 --> 01:51:56,347
Speaker 2: Thanks Bob, Bob mc murray. Then, yeah, that's good news

2130
01:51:56,347 --> 01:51:59,067
Speaker 2: at the end that Bob has picked up on as well.

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01:51:59,107 --> 01:52:02,187
Speaker 2: Shane Van Gisbergen will be a full time competitor in

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01:52:02,227 --> 01:52:05,987
Speaker 2: the NASCAR Cup Series next year, Trackhouse Racing confirming he'll

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01:52:06,027 --> 01:52:09,907
Speaker 2: pile their third car in NASCAR's top division. He's been

2134
01:52:09,987 --> 01:52:13,707
Speaker 2: racing in the second tier Exfinity Series this year and

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01:52:13,827 --> 01:52:16,387
Speaker 2: has already secured a playoff's birth with wins in Portland,

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01:52:16,667 --> 01:52:20,267
Speaker 2: Sonoma and Chicago. He's a three time Australian Supercars champion.

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01:52:20,307 --> 01:52:24,147
Speaker 2: Of course, He's also contested seven Cup Series races this year,

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01:52:24,507 --> 01:52:26,907
Speaker 2: but next year it'll be full time in the Cup

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01:52:27,027 --> 01:52:30,627
Speaker 2: Series for the GIZZ Shane van Gisbergen really interesting thoughts

2140
01:52:30,667 --> 01:52:32,387
Speaker 2: on Liam Lawson as well to hear Bob's are at

2141
01:52:32,427 --> 01:52:34,947
Speaker 2: the end there. If he doesn't drive full time next year,

2142
01:52:34,947 --> 01:52:38,227
Speaker 2: that'll be his Formula One career over because he would

2143
01:52:38,227 --> 01:52:40,307
Speaker 2: have had two years out basically and just won't be

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01:52:40,307 --> 01:52:43,747
Speaker 2: able to catch up. So if you're Liam Lawson, you're

2145
01:52:43,867 --> 01:52:47,667
Speaker 2: demanding an answer from red Ball, aren't you. I know

2146
01:52:47,747 --> 01:52:50,467
Speaker 2: it's political and now it's difficult, But if you don't

2147
01:52:50,547 --> 01:52:53,707
Speaker 2: have some sort of pretty close to one hundred percent

2148
01:52:53,787 --> 01:52:56,387
Speaker 2: guarantee that you can get a seat, you go elsewhere,

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01:52:56,427 --> 01:52:59,187
Speaker 2: don't you. And by the sounds of it, there are

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01:52:59,267 --> 01:53:02,507
Speaker 2: others who would pick them up. Liam Lawson. We watch

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01:53:02,547 --> 01:53:05,747
Speaker 2: with great interest fourteen all between Otago and Bay of

2152
01:53:05,787 --> 01:53:07,787
Speaker 2: Pleading with five minutes to go until halftime under the

2153
01:53:07,867 --> 01:53:10,747
Speaker 2: roof in Danita Nillall, after four minutes between Wellington and

2154
01:53:10,827 --> 01:53:13,187
Speaker 2: Monter with two and their Bunnings MPC match in Pottydoor.

2155
01:53:13,587 --> 01:53:16,947
Speaker 2: When we come back, it's to Lydia Coe. She is

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01:53:17,427 --> 01:53:19,587
Speaker 2: just three shots off the lead with one round to

2157
01:53:19,667 --> 01:53:23,747
Speaker 2: go in the Women's Open Championship at Saint Andrew's. What

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01:53:24,027 --> 01:53:26,587
Speaker 2: chance she wins this major for the first time ever.

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01:53:26,667 --> 01:53:29,387
Speaker 2: Phil thought Amy going to join U shortly to break

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01:53:29,427 --> 01:53:32,427
Speaker 2: down her chances of success at the Open Championship.

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Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields call oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason Vine

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01:53:40,427 --> 01:53:44,947
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's first trusted home Miilder News talks.

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01:53:44,827 --> 01:53:47,347
Speaker 2: Baby seventeen to three New Zealand Golf for Lydia co

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Speaker 2: and a tie for fourth after three rounds at the

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01:53:49,667 --> 01:53:53,107
Speaker 2: Women's Open Championship at the Old Course at Saint Andrews.

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01:53:53,387 --> 01:53:56,307
Speaker 6: Who's Lydia owned the down the hill and eating going

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01:53:56,347 --> 01:53:58,147
Speaker 6: to be swinging a little bit from left to eight.

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01:53:58,867 --> 01:54:03,187
Speaker 23: She got enough spit to keep the lane, great tray there.

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Speaker 2: That was a beautiaffort.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be a round of seventy one for

2172
01:54:09,627 --> 01:54:15,507
Speaker 6: Lydia Coe, who's been basking in the European summer. She'll

2173
01:54:15,547 --> 01:54:17,467
Speaker 6: have another chance to do so tomorrow. It will be

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Speaker 6: right in the sec of it come Sunday in the

2175
01:54:20,227 --> 01:54:22,147
Speaker 6: final round here at the AIG Women's Open.

2176
01:54:22,307 --> 01:54:24,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to pass seventy one in the third round,

2177
01:54:24,427 --> 01:54:26,987
Speaker 2: four under for the tournament, just three shots behind the leader.

2178
01:54:27,067 --> 01:54:29,867
Speaker 2: Let's bring a former pro golfer and astute analyst of

2179
01:54:29,907 --> 01:54:33,267
Speaker 2: the game, Filled tartar Angi Phil. Any player would take

2180
01:54:33,387 --> 01:54:36,027
Speaker 2: three back from the leader heading into the final round

2181
01:54:36,027 --> 01:54:36,867
Speaker 2: of a major, wouldn't they?

2182
01:54:37,547 --> 01:54:40,307
Speaker 25: And at the Old Course to boot after the season

2183
01:54:40,387 --> 01:54:43,787
Speaker 25: that she's had, Pliny, it's shaping up to be quite

2184
01:54:43,827 --> 01:54:46,307
Speaker 25: a Sunday for her over there on Monday morning for

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01:54:47,027 --> 01:54:47,867
Speaker 25: golf fans back.

2186
01:54:47,747 --> 01:54:50,507
Speaker 2: Here, any I mean, you look at the what she's done,

2187
01:54:50,587 --> 01:54:53,827
Speaker 2: seventy one, seventy seventy one. Is it likely she'll have

2188
01:54:53,907 --> 01:54:55,267
Speaker 2: to shoot in the sixties to win it?

2189
01:54:56,267 --> 01:54:58,907
Speaker 25: I'm thinking so, Although just had a quick sneak peek

2190
01:54:59,067 --> 01:55:02,107
Speaker 25: at the wonderful cast of Saint Andrews and they're expecting

2191
01:55:02,187 --> 01:55:05,907
Speaker 25: some more breezy conditions tomorrow when gusting up to thirty

2192
01:55:05,947 --> 01:55:06,947
Speaker 25: k and our So.

2193
01:55:08,827 --> 01:55:11,627
Speaker 26: It's the storied Old Course and it's been.

2194
01:55:11,907 --> 01:55:14,707
Speaker 25: Just wonderful watching the woman play at the last couple

2195
01:55:14,747 --> 01:55:17,707
Speaker 25: of days because they're playing the game of which the

2196
01:55:17,787 --> 01:55:19,627
Speaker 25: golf course was designed to be played on. The men

2197
01:55:19,667 --> 01:55:22,427
Speaker 25: of course, you know, annihilated a little bit and it

2198
01:55:22,507 --> 01:55:24,987
Speaker 25: takes the conditions and a little bit of trickery with

2199
01:55:25,107 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 25: pin placements to I guess equal a challenge against the

2200
01:55:30,307 --> 01:55:32,747
Speaker 25: best of the men's game. But the woman seem to

2201
01:55:32,787 --> 01:55:35,267
Speaker 25: play the ground game really well. They get the bouncers,

2202
01:55:35,267 --> 01:55:37,707
Speaker 25: they're playing the proper shots, they're playing the right distances

2203
01:55:37,787 --> 01:55:39,107
Speaker 25: into the green.

2204
01:55:38,987 --> 01:55:40,867
Speaker 26: So it's not giving up a lot of birdies.

2205
01:55:41,427 --> 01:55:43,267
Speaker 25: I've noticed that she hasn't made a whole heaven mistakes.

2206
01:55:43,307 --> 01:55:45,387
Speaker 25: I've made five bogies over the first three days.

2207
01:55:45,747 --> 01:55:47,947
Speaker 26: And I guess the hole that she needs to.

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01:55:47,947 --> 01:55:50,467
Speaker 25: Get through Piney when looking at a schoolcard, is the

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01:55:50,507 --> 01:55:53,907
Speaker 25: eleventh hole they eat in the past three If she

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01:55:53,987 --> 01:55:56,707
Speaker 25: can get through there, it was par which she hasn't

2211
01:55:56,747 --> 01:55:58,947
Speaker 25: done the last few days, she'll be making some.

2212
01:55:59,067 --> 01:55:59,907
Speaker 26: Ground on the field.

2213
01:56:00,067 --> 01:56:03,347
Speaker 25: So hey, look, it may well just being steady as

2214
01:56:03,387 --> 01:56:03,627
Speaker 25: you go.

2215
01:56:05,187 --> 01:56:06,067
Speaker 26: Might well be enough.

2216
01:56:06,147 --> 01:56:09,707
Speaker 25: But my suspicion is that at the moment she's three backs,

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01:56:09,707 --> 01:56:13,187
Speaker 25: seven unders leading, seven under, eighth under might well be

2218
01:56:13,267 --> 01:56:15,307
Speaker 25: good enough to win. So that takes three or four

2219
01:56:15,387 --> 01:56:16,147
Speaker 25: under for her tomorrow.

2220
01:56:16,547 --> 01:56:18,787
Speaker 2: What's the best strategy to making power on eleven?

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01:56:20,147 --> 01:56:21,347
Speaker 26: Yeah, I'll find in the middle of the green.

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01:56:21,387 --> 01:56:26,307
Speaker 25: Really, it's surrounded by Bunker's elevated green, really breezy conditions,

2223
01:56:26,747 --> 01:56:30,147
Speaker 25: and you know it's all about club selection to the

2224
01:56:30,227 --> 01:56:35,067
Speaker 25: green's pretty shallow there, and so hey, look, it's a quirky.

2225
01:56:34,827 --> 01:56:36,067
Speaker 26: Golf course, the old course.

2226
01:56:36,107 --> 01:56:40,427
Speaker 25: It's basically the Mona Lisa in golf course architecture terms,

2227
01:56:40,507 --> 01:56:44,507
Speaker 25: and it's probably the course that most people are familiar with,

2228
01:56:44,667 --> 01:56:46,507
Speaker 25: whether their golf fans are non golf fans.

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01:56:46,587 --> 01:56:47,467
Speaker 26: The old course at St.

2230
01:56:47,467 --> 01:56:50,907
Speaker 25: Andrews is kind of where championship golf all got started

2231
01:56:50,947 --> 01:56:54,627
Speaker 25: way back in the day, and so hey, look at

2232
01:56:54,827 --> 01:56:57,347
Speaker 25: there's only two par fives out there, there's only two

2233
01:56:57,427 --> 01:57:00,907
Speaker 25: par threes, and so there's a lot of a lot

2234
01:57:00,947 --> 01:57:02,987
Speaker 25: of iron shots where you've got to be precise with

2235
01:57:03,107 --> 01:57:06,667
Speaker 25: your distance. She's hit a lot of greens and relation

2236
01:57:06,707 --> 01:57:08,347
Speaker 25: in the last couple of days, which is what she

2237
01:57:08,427 --> 01:57:11,907
Speaker 25: can do with those oversized double greens out there. But

2238
01:57:12,427 --> 01:57:14,067
Speaker 25: she's just got to knock down a couple more parts,

2239
01:57:14,107 --> 01:57:14,427
Speaker 25: that's all.

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Speaker 26: It probably takes tomorrow to find the South with the

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01:57:18,347 --> 01:57:21,227
Speaker 26: woman's version of the cleric joke in her hands at

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01:57:21,227 --> 01:57:21,547
Speaker 26: the end of.

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01:57:21,547 --> 01:57:24,187
Speaker 2: The day, I guess I wouldn't ready apply to Lydia Cooch,

2244
01:57:24,227 --> 01:57:26,467
Speaker 2: she's been around for a long time, but would slightly

2245
01:57:26,827 --> 01:57:30,387
Speaker 2: less experienced golfers find playing the old courses and Andrew's

2246
01:57:31,027 --> 01:57:32,507
Speaker 2: in any way daunting.

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01:57:34,547 --> 01:57:36,387
Speaker 26: Maybe so, I mean, there's so much history there.

2248
01:57:37,107 --> 01:57:40,507
Speaker 25: And what's been great about the LPGA two and the

2249
01:57:40,547 --> 01:57:42,667
Speaker 25: Woman's game in the last few years Pineyer is that

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01:57:42,707 --> 01:57:45,187
Speaker 25: they've been going to some of these venues that have

2251
01:57:45,627 --> 01:57:48,747
Speaker 25: typically been kind of locked away just for the men's game,

2252
01:57:49,067 --> 01:57:51,507
Speaker 25: but the women have been now playing there and it's

2253
01:57:51,547 --> 01:57:53,227
Speaker 25: great to see the contrast between the.

2254
01:57:54,467 --> 01:57:55,587
Speaker 26: Two styles of game.

2255
01:57:55,907 --> 01:57:58,667
Speaker 25: But more than anything, it's about putting the woman's game

2256
01:57:58,747 --> 01:58:02,907
Speaker 25: on the pedestal. And so although some of the lesser

2257
01:58:02,987 --> 01:58:06,547
Speaker 25: experienced players may not have played the old course as

2258
01:58:06,627 --> 01:58:10,547
Speaker 25: often as the old hands, it's about skill execution when

2259
01:58:10,587 --> 01:58:13,267
Speaker 25: it comes down down to the end of the day

2260
01:58:13,387 --> 01:58:16,907
Speaker 25: and when it comes down the back nine and watching

2261
01:58:16,947 --> 01:58:17,427
Speaker 25: the last.

2262
01:58:17,347 --> 01:58:20,467
Speaker 26: Couple of days have been inexperienced and experienced.

2263
01:58:19,947 --> 01:58:22,467
Speaker 25: Players that have had the courage to play shots that

2264
01:58:22,587 --> 01:58:25,507
Speaker 25: they not used to playing week in week out on

2265
01:58:25,587 --> 01:58:27,747
Speaker 25: the LPGA tour and being able to put off. So

2266
01:58:28,827 --> 01:58:31,107
Speaker 25: it's going to take creativity, it's going to take courage,

2267
01:58:31,107 --> 01:58:34,707
Speaker 25: it's going to take a little bit of thinking out

2268
01:58:34,747 --> 01:58:37,547
Speaker 25: of the box, especially if the winds get up and

2269
01:58:37,907 --> 01:58:41,267
Speaker 25: with the road hole of seventeenth, the penultimate hole of

2270
01:58:41,307 --> 01:58:45,747
Speaker 25: the championship being one of those mightily difficult par fowards

2271
01:58:45,787 --> 01:58:48,387
Speaker 25: playing over the corner and the Old Course Hotel with

2272
01:58:48,547 --> 01:58:51,627
Speaker 25: the t shot, it's going to take the fall mixed

2273
01:58:51,667 --> 01:58:53,587
Speaker 25: bag all of the tracks really to get the job done.

2274
01:58:53,947 --> 01:58:56,787
Speaker 2: Nellie Carter was the pre tournament favorite and justified that

2275
01:58:56,867 --> 01:58:58,747
Speaker 2: back to back sixty eight in her first two rounds,

2276
01:58:58,787 --> 01:59:01,947
Speaker 2: but then a seventy five in her third round. Five bogies,

2277
01:59:01,987 --> 01:59:04,947
Speaker 2: a double bogie and four birdies. What do we take

2278
01:59:04,987 --> 01:59:06,627
Speaker 2: from an up and down round like that.

2279
01:59:07,907 --> 01:59:09,747
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think she's the one that's got the firepower,

2280
01:59:09,747 --> 01:59:10,867
Speaker 25: I think in the woman's game.

2281
01:59:11,147 --> 01:59:11,547
Speaker 22: And so.

2282
01:59:13,547 --> 01:59:15,347
Speaker 25: From what I saw, I didn't watch stay up and

2283
01:59:15,387 --> 01:59:17,387
Speaker 25: watch it all last night, but I watched a few

2284
01:59:17,427 --> 01:59:20,627
Speaker 25: of the highlights this morning and she looked like she

2285
01:59:20,707 --> 01:59:23,267
Speaker 25: had a cold putter as well. Yesterday hit one out

2286
01:59:23,307 --> 01:59:26,507
Speaker 25: of bounds on sixteen, and so you know, the Old

2287
01:59:26,547 --> 01:59:29,867
Speaker 25: Course possibly just got a couple of back on her.

2288
01:59:29,987 --> 01:59:33,147
Speaker 25: She hung in there to give us Olf a shot tomorrow.

2289
01:59:33,187 --> 01:59:35,787
Speaker 25: And she's in the second last group, Litera in the

2290
01:59:35,907 --> 01:59:39,707
Speaker 25: third to last group, so by no means shot herself

2291
01:59:39,747 --> 01:59:42,347
Speaker 25: out of it. But look, the Old Course giveth and

2292
01:59:42,427 --> 01:59:46,867
Speaker 25: it taketh away and so you know, it's about respect

2293
01:59:47,147 --> 01:59:51,267
Speaker 25: and at times it seems like she got a little

2294
01:59:51,307 --> 01:59:54,507
Speaker 25: tripped up and managed to salvage around where.

2295
01:59:54,307 --> 01:59:56,547
Speaker 26: It could have got away with her and completely.

2296
01:59:56,707 --> 01:59:58,787
Speaker 25: She's going for a little bit of history herself tomorrow.

2297
01:59:59,347 --> 02:00:01,587
Speaker 25: I think it's been over fifty years since someone's won

2298
02:00:01,747 --> 02:00:05,947
Speaker 25: seven times in the season on the old PGA Tour,

2299
02:00:06,347 --> 02:00:09,027
Speaker 25: and so accord she has been the player of this

2300
02:00:09,187 --> 02:00:10,027
Speaker 25: season thus far.

2301
02:00:11,107 --> 02:00:13,467
Speaker 26: Can she camp it off with a last major of

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02:00:13,507 --> 02:00:13,867
Speaker 26: the season.

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02:00:14,227 --> 02:00:17,147
Speaker 2: Incredible form she's on And just on Lydia, how much

2304
02:00:17,187 --> 02:00:19,307
Speaker 2: did you enjoy watching her win gold in Paris?

2305
02:00:20,507 --> 02:00:20,707
Speaker 15: Yeah?

2306
02:00:20,747 --> 02:00:22,147
Speaker 26: Hey, look, there were a lot of late nights.

2307
02:00:22,387 --> 02:00:25,347
Speaker 25: There are a lot of late nights, and that one

2308
02:00:25,467 --> 02:00:29,987
Speaker 25: was particularly late light for me. He was so much

2309
02:00:30,027 --> 02:00:33,267
Speaker 25: on the line, you know, not not just a gold medal.

2310
02:00:33,307 --> 02:00:35,107
Speaker 25: And for a lot of the other athletes at the

2311
02:00:35,947 --> 02:00:38,707
Speaker 25: at the Olympics, it was all about the gold medal.

2312
02:00:39,187 --> 02:00:41,427
Speaker 25: For Lydia, there was other things on the line, personal

2313
02:00:41,467 --> 02:00:45,147
Speaker 25: achievements and keeping it off with being inducted into the

2314
02:00:45,787 --> 02:00:48,867
Speaker 25: Woman's LPGA, all the fame.

2315
02:00:48,947 --> 02:00:51,867
Speaker 26: She would already be in the World Gold Hall of Fame.

2316
02:00:51,907 --> 02:00:53,147
Speaker 26: It's just a matter of time.

2317
02:00:54,387 --> 02:00:57,627
Speaker 25: For that to be the should be awarded that honor

2318
02:00:57,667 --> 02:01:02,667
Speaker 25: and joining Sir Bob Charles in that prodigious, prodigious group

2319
02:01:02,707 --> 02:01:05,827
Speaker 25: of people that have been awarded that on her. But

2320
02:01:06,547 --> 02:01:10,267
Speaker 25: it's capping the career and watching her coming down the

2321
02:01:10,307 --> 02:01:14,907
Speaker 25: stretch was just like any other athlete rounding the last

2322
02:01:14,987 --> 02:01:17,227
Speaker 25: corner and coming down the final straight. You can see

2323
02:01:17,307 --> 02:01:21,387
Speaker 25: the mental anguish that was going on inside of her.

2324
02:01:22,227 --> 02:01:24,467
Speaker 25: It would be great to get her quietly just sitting

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Speaker 25: around the table and talking us through but avoiding mistakes,

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Speaker 25: knowing that it was hers to lose. And she managed

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Speaker 25: to hold on and you know, put a full stop,

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Speaker 25: an exclamation point, you know, a big underline on her career,

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Speaker 25: all at parents, all in that one achievement was something

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Speaker 25: really special to watch.

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Speaker 2: Certainly was love chatting golf with your philm Thanks for

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Speaker 2: your time, mate plenty, Thanks very much, No, thank you, Phil,

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Speaker 2: Phil only there. Ahead of the fourth and final round

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Speaker 2: of the Women's Open Championship, Litera co is just three

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Speaker 2: shots back from the lead and a tie for fourth,

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Speaker 2: So looking forward to seeing how she goes overnight tonight,

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Speaker 2: maybe she wins that major for the first time. It's

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Speaker 2: eight and a half to three high, Jason, could you

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Speaker 2: give a shout out or mention to the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: women's footsal team playing in the final of the Nation's

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Speaker 2: Cup this afternoon to qualify for the first ever women's

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Speaker 2: Footsall World Cup next year. Players and coaches have spent

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Speaker 2: several years to get to this point. They've won all

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Speaker 2: four games to get to the final, which is live

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Speaker 2: on FIFA Plus at six tonight. I can do that,

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Speaker 2: definitely forward to watching and seeing if our footsal Ferns

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Speaker 2: can make it to the World Cup. Eight to three

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Speaker 2: News Talks.

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Speaker 1: EPs analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

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Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason five.

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Speaker 5: They call eight hundred and eighty and eighty News Talks.

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Speaker 2: MB five to three. That's us for today and for

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Speaker 2: another weekend off weekend Sport. The next time we're reconvying

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Speaker 2: for weekend Sport it will be September. Incredible Back tomorrow

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Speaker 2: night though on Sports Talk. Looking forward to chatting tomorrow

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Speaker 2: night with you. Tim Beverage is on the radio after

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Speaker 2: three o'clock with the Sunday edition of The Weekend Collective.

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Speaker 2: Huge thanks to Andy McDonald for pulling the show together

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Speaker 2: manning the phones and everything else that goes on behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes to get the show to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for listening in and for interacting if that's what you

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Speaker 2: chose to do. Heaps of calls and feedback on the

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Speaker 2: America's Cup just after midday today. So the song to

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Speaker 2: Take Us Out is New Zealand's theme to the nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty seven challenge for the America's Cup. An unsuccessful challenge

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Speaker 2: as it turned out, but it spawned this brilliant song

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Speaker 2: from Hammond Gamble. Jewel and the Sea said him, Orry night,

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Speaker 2: did you see juss me?

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Speaker 10: Did Jewel in the.

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Speaker 5: Bring and do?

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, Listen live

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Speaker 1: to news talks it be weekends from midday, or follow

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