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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Weekend Collective this Saturday, the twenty fourth
Speaker 2: of August. Gosh, I always say the date because it
Speaker 2: just reminds me how far through the year we're getting.
Speaker 2: Soon people will be saying, first of September, it's spring,
Speaker 2: but of course I go with the geological time of spring.
Speaker 2: But that'll be another topic for another day in September.
Speaker 2: But look well, looking forward to company through the course
Speaker 2: of the show, just looking further ahead for the one
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Speaker 2: to have a chat about a bunch of things. Can
Speaker 2: we bank announcing No, not sorry. We're talking about competitive
Speaker 2: rates for mortgage and haggling for a bit, haggling for
Speaker 2: a better interest rate, and where do you go and
Speaker 2: can you actually ever haggle for it? You just have
Speaker 2: to go with what the bank tells you. And from
Speaker 2: five o'clock for the Hall on a minute, I've got
Speaker 2: my here we go five o'clock we got a new guest,
Speaker 2: Kim Harvey's joining us to talk about building healthy habits
Speaker 2: and children and actually using their addiction to their phone. Well,
Speaker 2: this is not the way she's putting it. It's the way
Speaker 2: I'm putting it, using their addiction to technology to actually
Speaker 2: get them out the door, which does sound like a
Speaker 2: bit of an oxymoron. But we'll be exploring that further.
Speaker 2: I think there's something to do with setting them digital
Speaker 2: challenges on the physical front. But anyway, we'll be discussing
Speaker 2: that and that and how whether I've misdescribed that with
Speaker 2: Kim at five o'clock. But right now it is time
Speaker 2: for the panel, and my panelists a couple of us.
Speaker 2: I haven't written, really written down detailed introductory notes for
Speaker 2: these guys because they're both broadcasting legends and their own respect.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to go age before beauty. Actually, actually,
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't know who's good.
Speaker 3: Guy's gonna have to cut us in half and count
Speaker 3: the rings.
Speaker 2: Tell you what, Let's just go with the beauty first
Speaker 2: and forget the age. That's even worse too.
Speaker 4: I'll go and get that sade. You can keeping.
Speaker 2: As soon as I said that, I was like, hell,
Speaker 2: I'm going to anyway, Look, let's go talking. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Look, the Silver Fox are broadcasting. There we go,
Speaker 2: Mark Kreisel, it's you. That's good. That's good. Moving on,
Speaker 2: how are you, Mark asked to see.
Speaker 3: Good mate, I'm good, I'm good. It feels like spring
Speaker 3: here in Auckland today.
Speaker 2: I came in a my T shirt today.
Speaker 3: For some reason, and all full respect for the rest
Speaker 3: of the country, because I don't know what the weather's like.
Speaker 3: You're so thoughtful, maybe not so good, but here in
Speaker 3: Auckland it's spring light.
Speaker 2: Well. Also, I think they're conditioning in the studio, may
Speaker 2: be a little warm as well, so that could be
Speaker 2: giving you a false sense of security, because in terms
Speaker 2: of the color of the sky, it's looking pretty wintery
Speaker 2: and gray and not particularly exciting. And you're well, you're good,
Speaker 2: you look well. Lovely to see you and.
Speaker 3: You can see people.
Speaker 2: You can guess why. I suddenly realized it was age
Speaker 2: before beauty. But here's another beauty. Here is Peter wolf
Speaker 2: Camp something of a silver Fox, but not as silver
Speaker 2: as Mark cries, or possibly I'm digging the hole as
Speaker 2: deep as I can go.
Speaker 4: How are you, Peek, I'm very well, thank you excellent.
Speaker 2: What have you been keeping up with?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 4: Funny, old well, interesting old day today. I've just come
Speaker 4: from an ordinational yours not something you do Saturday, because
Speaker 4: you are the high priest building. Young Chapy has been
Speaker 4: in the parish and he's chaplain to the school. It
Speaker 4: was ordained today as a as a Catholic priest. It's
Speaker 4: quite an event.
Speaker 2: I don't imagine it's common these days.
Speaker 4: Actually, you know, there's not a lot of them, to
Speaker 4: be fair.
Speaker 2: Chaplain as well. I like I like the word chaplain.
Speaker 4: I don't know what school. Oh yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but it seems it sort of
Speaker 2: seems priestly sounds a bit holier, but chaplain sounds like,
Speaker 2: you know, just go and catch up with the chaplain.
Speaker 4: Thirty two, thirty thirty three, something like that.
Speaker 2: Just a boy, yeah, just a boy indeed.
Speaker 4: But it was really lovely.
Speaker 2: How many people went.
Speaker 4: Oh, Saint Pat's would have been pretty full. And then
Speaker 4: you know, typically it's it's also an opportunity for effectively
Speaker 4: his brother priests together as well, So a couple of
Speaker 4: bishops and a whole bunch of priests, a whole.
Speaker 2: Bunch, oh my god, imagine that just be crazy would
Speaker 2: be getting into the communion wine just be going off.
Speaker 4: It was really lovely. So an unusual thing to do
Speaker 4: on a Sunday, but that's.
Speaker 3: What I keep forgetting.
Speaker 2: You're a good Catholic boy?
Speaker 4: Good well, well maybe but yeah.
Speaker 2: Boy, no good questionable anyway. Hey, nice Toavy on the show. Guys, right,
Speaker 2: let's let's get into it. Have you been following? Oh, Mark,
Speaker 2: of course I know the answer to this question. Have
Speaker 2: you been following this week? The Democratic I do I
Speaker 2: have in the States?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, wow, man, they know how to throw
Speaker 3: a party, don't they. Those guys incredible. Like the speeches
Speaker 3: that I saw were amazing. On point, the Democrats just
Speaker 3: seem to be hitting upon the thing now of hope
Speaker 3: rather than despair, and that they're really marking themselves out
Speaker 3: against Trump, who is still you know, we're all going
Speaker 3: to die. This country's going down the toilet and only
Speaker 3: I can save it. So I'm really excited to see
Speaker 3: what comes next.
Speaker 2: Any speeches or appearances that stood out the most.
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama was amazing, amazing speaks every four years and
Speaker 3: it's a pow and apparently you know you don't want
Speaker 3: to follow her, so so her husband, who you may
Speaker 3: have heard of Barack, but he was not so keen
Speaker 3: to follow her apparently, But she was amazing. I thought
Speaker 3: Tim Waltz was pretty amazing as well. Actually Kamala was, yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of subdued compared to the other ones. Hillary was,
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton was amazing, and actually Bill was pretty amazing
Speaker 3: as well. He very wise, kind of but lots of
Speaker 3: good little zingers in them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, enough to provoke Trump and to sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously people he pretended. I think he was pretending he
Speaker 2: wasn't watching. He would have been glued to it, wouldn't.
Speaker 3: So it was interesting. I looked at the ratings for it,
Speaker 3: and the ratings were really high for people over the
Speaker 3: age of fifty five and very low for eighteen to thirty.
Speaker 3: But what I think is, and that's why they way
Speaker 3: they tailor it, those speeches are full of zingers, so
Speaker 3: people be watching clips of those singers rather than the
Speaker 3: whole thing will be those will be getting through.
Speaker 2: Well the other thing, don't I don't watch them. I
Speaker 2: don't watch the actual conference at all. I watched the
Speaker 2: late night shows because that's sort of how you get
Speaker 2: your politics news in a way, but you know where
Speaker 2: they're coming from. There's a certain slant to each one.
Speaker 2: But I just to be honest, I watched a bit
Speaker 2: of Stephen Colbert, who was in that amazing The thing
Speaker 2: that blew me away was the theater he was in.
Speaker 2: It was about four thousand people and it was this
Speaker 2: colossal theater. But Pete, what did you make of it all?
Speaker 4: I didn't get the opportunity to look at it in depth,
Speaker 4: But it is that those takeouts and watching Barack Obama
Speaker 4: come up very funny. Couple of real zingers, a couple
Speaker 4: of great One line is having a go at Trump.
Speaker 4: And I do like your comment about the sentiment of
Speaker 4: hope being there that rather than it being a really
Speaker 4: negative campaign, kind of a tearing down, it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: well you can say whatever you want and behave how
Speaker 4: you want. This is our goals, These are our aspirations,
Speaker 4: this is our dream.
Speaker 3: To be fair. They gave the Dawn a bit of
Speaker 3: a good kicking.
Speaker 2: That's funny. You know they don't like ad Hominem, but
Speaker 2: they certainly gave it to him.
Speaker 3: Michelle's old line of they go low, we go hi.
Speaker 3: She stayed low.
Speaker 2: She gave him a good pummeling in the nads.
Speaker 3: I listened to. I was listened to a podcast from
Speaker 3: some people were who were there, some Brits, and they
Speaker 3: were saying that what is extraordinary, you know we've all
Speaker 3: I'm assuming we've all been to America, was just how
Speaker 3: articulate every single speaker was that they all spoke from
Speaker 3: the heart, they told stories, they connected with their audience
Speaker 3: on a deep emotional level. And that's something that Americans
Speaker 3: do so well. You went to a national party or
Speaker 3: a Labor party coence, Honestly, I can't imagine anything.
Speaker 2: That's a pretty rough comparison the rasmatas of any American
Speaker 2: sort of or gathering versus in New Zealand do.
Speaker 3: The rhetoric so well. I've heard Winstons Peters speak incredibly
Speaker 3: well at Chunk Bear in Gallipoli and really passionately and
Speaker 3: when he fires up and he's focused in the right place,
Speaker 3: and of course David Longe was amazing. But we just
Speaker 3: don't do the oratory too well. I mean, Christopher Luxhon
Speaker 3: is a shocking speaker. Is he even recycled speeches? Remember
Speaker 3: this year and why use the same speech as he'd
Speaker 3: used the year before?
Speaker 2: Good on them? What economy.
Speaker 3: Actually in the country.
Speaker 2: A lot of maybe back to US politics. It's it's
Speaker 2: an interesting vibe because it's a celebration, but you're almost
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. You almost feel this energy of the
Speaker 2: complete relief that they're gone finally with you know, because
Speaker 2: obviously we don't need to trawl over the political corpse
Speaker 2: of Joe Biden, which is he's still present for the
Speaker 2: time being, but you know, the relief that they must feel,
Speaker 2: like apparently he's still got a he's got a bit
Speaker 2: of a beef with Nancy Pelosi about it, but she's.
Speaker 3: Get over it.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was time to go. If he doesn't
Speaker 3: it realize it now, he never will. I was waking
Speaker 3: up every morning looking at my phone hoping for a
Speaker 3: news alert saying he'd gone and gone. One day that
Speaker 3: came through.
Speaker 2: Interesting, there's been a poll in a couple of poles
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. So Torbert Mills is done one Talbot
Speaker 2: Mills whatever, and David Farrer's Courier Research. This is about
Speaker 2: if you could vote in the election. This is poll
Speaker 2: in New Zealanders and the overall results were for David
Speaker 2: Farrer's company Harris fifty nine, Trump twenty five. I'msure seventeen
Speaker 2: Torbert Mills. Is not much difference. Harris fifty five percent,
Speaker 2: Trump twenty one percent, Unsure, wouldn't vote twenty percent.
Speaker 3: I love, wouldn't vote because we don't get a vote.
Speaker 3: Like in many ways, I often think it can't. American
Speaker 3: election is far too important to leave it to Americans
Speaker 3: to vote, because I have people.
Speaker 2: Saying to me when they on my overnight shows, like
Speaker 2: they see me as a sort of middle maybe slightly
Speaker 2: right conservative. I caught myself a social concer. I don't
Speaker 2: get ready to give a toss about labels, to be honest,
Speaker 2: but they're saying, how come you'd be a Democrats supporter?
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, the whole American system, you could
Speaker 2: easily be a center right supporter here and support Democrats.
Speaker 2: The extremes at both ends are completely bonkers.
Speaker 3: Well, Trump is Trump has taken the Republican Party just
Speaker 3: way out there to the prairies somewhere, you know, And
Speaker 3: I think you know that that means the sense that
Speaker 3: he's just fled the center essentially, and the Democrats are
Speaker 3: kind of coalescing in and around there, but you know,
Speaker 3: still a little bit shell shocked and not quite knowing
Speaker 3: how to deal with that. But I think one of
Speaker 3: the things I was reading the other day is that
Speaker 3: they're not going to respond to his attacks all the time,
Speaker 3: and that takes a lot of the window out of him.
Speaker 3: You know, he's if he's abusing them and calling them
Speaker 3: names and things like that. And I think from now
Speaker 3: on it's going to get dirty.
Speaker 2: It's going to get it.
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see the nasty race stuff, to
Speaker 3: be nasty stuff about Kamala being a woman. You know,
Speaker 3: he's already gone down that line of saying, well, I
Speaker 3: didn't even know she was black, which was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: well I think we can. I mean, there'll be people
Speaker 3: are listening. He'll be Trump fans who can't stand listening
Speaker 3: to us right now. But that's just the way it is.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not a Trump fan at all. I
Speaker 3: think he's an odious creton. But it looks like newsanders
Speaker 3: aren't no anyway. But look, it's but in terms of
Speaker 3: the showers, I tell you what politics and it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, if I was in town,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. If I was in America
Speaker 3: and there was a Trump rally, a Trump rally in town,
Speaker 3: I'd go to that, And if I was the Democrat Rallier,
Speaker 3: I'd go to that too, because it's just a couple
Speaker 3: of amazing postcards of America. I mean, who wouldn't I
Speaker 3: remember going to see a Robert Muldoon when I was
Speaker 3: a kid in New Plymouth, sneaking in but you may laugh,
Speaker 3: but it was electric, you know. The guy could really
Speaker 3: get a crowd going, you know, and in many ways.
Speaker 2: He was kind of our track. That doesn't get my
Speaker 2: opponent's much time done.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: That's it's just such an interesting little little jump and
Speaker 2: topic from you know, we're going to an American or
Speaker 2: a Republican or a d all that. I went to
Speaker 2: Rob Muldoon once.
Speaker 4: Peter, I certainly remember Muldoon. David Longey came to school.
Speaker 4: I think for our something that it was the local
Speaker 4: MP back in the day.
Speaker 2: I don't know, the local just doesn't compete well.
Speaker 3: LONGI was an extraordinary space and so so was Muldoon.
Speaker 3: They were They were natural politicians in many way.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Oh well, the show, it's showburs and it's going
Speaker 2: to be rolling for how many more days?
Speaker 3: Is it still November? The first Tuesday of November, the.
Speaker 2: Debates will be the next thing I'll be looking for. Well, anyway,
Speaker 2: let's move on ACC this ye ACC has released stats
Speaker 2: showing the burden of alcohol and the health system. So
Speaker 2: nine point one. I think that there's data. It's sort
Speaker 2: of In twenty eighteen, there were nine hundred deaths caused
Speaker 2: by alcohol, twenty nine thousand hospitalizations, nine point one billion
Speaker 2: dollar in harm cost. But here's the stat that absolutely
Speaker 2: blew me away. Half of that due to fetal alcohol
Speaker 2: spectrum disorder. Oh my lord, I mean, this is the
Speaker 2: problem with alcohol moderation and extremes of the extremes are devastating.
Speaker 3: I think you find if you looked deeply into our
Speaker 3: the people that are in our prisons as well, a
Speaker 3: large number of those would be people who were suffering
Speaker 3: from fetal alcohol.
Speaker 2: It's just that that's a devastating standard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, we know this. We
Speaker 3: know that alcohol causes immeasurable harm in our society, domestic violence,
Speaker 3: car accidents. You know, it's it's if it was brought
Speaker 3: out today, they often say it wouldn't be made legal,
Speaker 3: and you know eighty percent are drinking responsibly. But this
Speaker 3: report makes alcohol look like the new tobacco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the thing is there's eighty percent of people
Speaker 2: apparently drink responsibly and moderate drinking. Fine, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: That's that's the extremes, Isn't it so damaging? So even
Speaker 2: glass of pinot in the evening or charros or whatever, you.
Speaker 4: It's the really hard thing is that when we start
Speaker 4: to talk about it, you know, chances are I'm going
Speaker 4: to have a glass of wine tonight with dinner. You
Speaker 4: may well you are not.
Speaker 2: Now starts with a bottle.
Speaker 3: I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than
Speaker 3: the front or the bottom.
Speaker 2: Of Oh my god.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The challenge with the topic is that as soon as
Speaker 4: we get starting to talk about it, and then we
Speaker 4: look at our own behavior, and then we start to
Speaker 4: think about to some degree our own and then it
Speaker 4: becomes a sort of binary thing. It's either good or
Speaker 4: it's bad, and the temptation then is to go right,
Speaker 4: that's it. We're going to start banning it and make
Speaker 4: it more difficult to access, et cetera, et cetera. Eight moderation.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of harm caused by very few people.
Speaker 4: Just staggering.
Speaker 2: Really, I think we are too tolerant of alcohol, but
Speaker 2: we're too tolerant of bad behavior with alcohol. To me,
Speaker 2: it feels like one of those things. If you can
Speaker 2: be a responsible person, you're not going to be a dickhead.
Speaker 2: When you've had a few drinks, then fine, But as
Speaker 2: soon as you do. I remember back in my law days,
Speaker 2: it used to be a mitigating factor in crime, and
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it still is. It's like the
Speaker 2: judgment you took a swing at something, but you're on
Speaker 2: in my client and had a drink or two. I
Speaker 2: think it should be the other way around. If you
Speaker 2: take a swing at someone because you've had a drink
Speaker 2: or two, you should be it should be an aggravating factor.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the problem, is that we tolerate
Speaker 2: dickhead behavior when people have had too much alcohol. It
Speaker 2: should be the opposite. It should be the uncoolest, most
Speaker 2: aggravating thing you can do, and we should show it.
Speaker 3: It's cultural.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's you know, in terms of like
Speaker 4: us as young men, the attitude that we see, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, you know, got a look in
Speaker 4: the mirror. It's not a great picture. I know that,
Speaker 4: But I look at at the young people that I
Speaker 4: associate through my son and so on. I think the
Speaker 4: attitude is changed. Like see there's some grounds it's not.
Speaker 2: Or they binge drinking with the ones who that's the binge.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Much less so I mean, I've been out with police
Speaker 3: on a Friday night, just running around with the cameras
Speaker 3: seeing what their Friday night's like, and it's an absolute zoo.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy, and so much police time is wasted
Speaker 3: with drunken.
Speaker 2: Actually, here's that idea of mine and eds A if
Speaker 2: I as a politician and I brought an out of
Speaker 2: bell saying, if you are convicted of a crime, whatever penalty,
Speaker 2: you will have thirty three percent attitude. If it's if
Speaker 2: alcohol is at all a factor, would you support that?
Speaker 2: Because I reckon it's like, tell you what, here's an example.
Speaker 2: People who've got a problem with alcohol, they go to Singapore.
Speaker 2: Do you think they get in trouble when they're in Singapore? No?
Speaker 2: Because one booze is very expensive, but two because you
Speaker 2: know that you are in deep doo dooos because society
Speaker 2: doesn't tolerate.
Speaker 3: I don't know if punitive measures actually work that well.
Speaker 3: I mean I think that like drugs. This is probably
Speaker 3: more of a health issue, like if you were if
Speaker 3: you if you were getting in trouble. And I've been
Speaker 3: to the Dragon alcohol courts and they do incredible work
Speaker 3: and they make a real difference, and that's a different
Speaker 3: approach to it. I mean, I think one other thing
Speaker 3: is that like even though even in small amounts, alcohol
Speaker 3: is a carcinogen. You know, there are a bunch of
Speaker 3: cancers that were being caused by that that we probably
Speaker 3: don't even know about it at the moment, but you know,
Speaker 3: breast cancer is one and our high rate of breast
Speaker 3: cancer in this country. Is that related to how much
Speaker 3: alcohol we drink? Who knows, but you know, sometimes it's
Speaker 3: better just to acrew the lid back.
Speaker 2: Actually, it just reminds Moodels. That reminds me Pete of
Speaker 2: our Olympic coverage that every time a reporter was on
Speaker 2: there saying I'm going to go have a cheeky apparol
Speaker 2: spritsas and it sort of the drink you could mention
Speaker 2: without it seeming too naughty.
Speaker 4: And then in the morning across on. I think it
Speaker 4: is good that will can counsel thing to reduce trading hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our Beanngo.
Speaker 4: It seems fairly sensible, you know. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: have to go and stock up again at nine o'clock
Speaker 4: at night, probably bigger issues.
Speaker 3: To be honest.
Speaker 2: I went to we ran out of apparol. We picked
Speaker 2: that habit up when we were in Paris as well,
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, it's too late. It's eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: We run out. Wonderful I can. And I thought it'd
Speaker 2: be too late because eight o'clock seemed like to be
Speaker 2: going out. And of course we went down the road
Speaker 2: and it's like there's a there's a bottle store now
Speaker 2: our next to the wards and still open, and like,
Speaker 2: I mean they closed before nine.
Speaker 3: They drink differently over there though, don't they know as fast?
Speaker 2: Just sippers?
Speaker 3: We're gold colors, scalars.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about are you talking in St Hele
Speaker 2: is there we're sippers or are you talking about in France?
Speaker 3: In France?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I went out last night. I caught up with some
Speaker 3: of my old mates, my old Sunday mates at the
Speaker 3: at the pub, and I could not believe how expensive
Speaker 3: it was, Oh my god, to buy around. I bought.
Speaker 3: I bought two drinks, yeah, a pint.
Speaker 2: That's not around. Oh okay, that's around. Yeah.
Speaker 3: How much do you reckon?
Speaker 2: Sixty dollars?
Speaker 3: No? Just under thirty thirty one dollar us?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What you got four drinks and it was just under
Speaker 2: two drinks too? Sorry, I heard I heard some. I
Speaker 2: heard you described.
Speaker 3: Hear what you want to hear them? Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, hey, I'm lo in the bag, mate, Pete. Last
Speaker 2: weord before we go to the break. Don't drink no, like,
Speaker 2: don't buy around.
Speaker 4: When I think about you know, me and my mates
Speaker 4: at at you know, in our late teens, early twenties,
Speaker 4: and I look around at some of the young people
Speaker 4: that I know now, I'm cautiously optimistic that maybe they've
Speaker 4: got their act together in a way that we didn't.
Speaker 2: Ee, let's fingers cross. Good on you, Pete wolfsh optimist,
Speaker 2: Good on you. Okay, we're going to take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Be back in just a moment. It's twenty six and
Speaker 2: a half past three. This is the panel on the
Speaker 2: Weekend Collective and those familiar voices you hear, Mark Krayzel
Speaker 2: and Pete wolf Camp will be back in just a
Speaker 2: moment news talks. He'd be and welcome back to the
Speaker 2: Weekend Collective. This is the panel on Tim Beverage and
Speaker 2: my guests are Mark Krysl and Pete wolf Camp. Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: the America's Cup started this week, and well, I mean
Speaker 2: in the America's Captain the Prix sort of louisvuitan regatta
Speaker 2: sort of thing. And I did go on to YouTube
Speaker 2: because I'm quite an America's Cup fan and started watching them.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm back on Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 2: quite into it. Pete, what about you, Pete?
Speaker 4: I did actually spend a little bit time this morning
Speaker 4: watching some replays or something from the Overnight one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well once it gets i.
Speaker 2: Mean two days. Yeah, But of course Team New Zealand
Speaker 2: toll be disappointed because two of their I mean, Prita
Speaker 2: sort of did. They lost all their systems for about
Speaker 2: twenty seconds, so that was gone, and the French pulled out.
Speaker 4: They just had to start and then they went as
Speaker 4: soon as they got across the line as a congratulation.
Speaker 2: Forty something knots out of a twelve knot breeze.
Speaker 3: No, noats, look insane. They looked like there was some
Speaker 3: sci fi terminator to tonight movie. But is it sailing?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? So they dropped out because the electric
Speaker 3: the electrics failed. I mean, really, I'm not seeing people
Speaker 3: running around putting spinnakers or anything. I'm not. I barely
Speaker 3: see anything. We're a bit faster than that, a little
Speaker 3: head popping up above it.
Speaker 2: It's high techt sailing, I guess. And it's like saying
Speaker 2: when you're I mean, you'd be like the guy who
Speaker 2: flies a tiger moth, who looks at someone who's in
Speaker 2: the lea jet going but is it flying?
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, okay, I mean I feel I can't quite
Speaker 3: buy into it. Since they went to Barcelona.
Speaker 4: Does that still ir it irks me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I mean I love Barcelona. It's
Speaker 3: beautiful city and all that kind of thing. Also, the
Speaker 3: time zones not not great for watching it. You can
Speaker 3: watch the replay and the coverage is great. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: it's not quite the same lists here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, do we want to look at
Speaker 2: I'm not so, I'm not so much like that. I
Speaker 2: think we've we The problem is we had the one
Speaker 2: that we hosted here was Sport by COVID, and then
Speaker 2: the money just isn't there. I mean, you remember the
Speaker 2: mb you got in trouble for basically not been quite
Speaker 2: upfront with the way things were going on either. And
Speaker 2: I sort of think, you know, you either where either
Speaker 2: respect that their professionals sailors and they need the best
Speaker 2: of equipment and the best of funding or not. I
Speaker 2: just think it was I don't know, the days of
Speaker 2: the Red Sox. I think, come on, we've got to
Speaker 2: get over it. And I just hope. I just hope
Speaker 2: they can.
Speaker 3: But I don't expect to get as much support as you
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: Well that they don't need to. They've got mine. I mean, Pete,
Speaker 2: what do you reckon?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I think I would prefer that it was here, right
Speaker 4: And if you're going to say that your team New Zealand,
Speaker 4: then you compete here.
Speaker 2: But there's no money, what do you do with let's
Speaker 2: compete here and lose it? You change the rules.
Speaker 3: You change the rules so you don't have to you know,
Speaker 3: you can only spend a certain amount. You know, if
Speaker 3: you're the holder, you can do whatever you want, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just sort of think it's all
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: It's all about it changes.
Speaker 3: The rules, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because there is no cap is there?
Speaker 3: I don't Evan and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't know if there's a cat. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't really know. Anyway, Look, I think it's fun. You're
Speaker 2: such a pooh pooy there. That's what my daughters would say.
Speaker 2: You're so poo pooey, Mark, you just conjured up in anyway. Look,
Speaker 2: it's by the way, if you're listening, you can check
Speaker 2: it out on YouTube. But it's early days. But if
Speaker 2: you do like the sale, my favorite one was when
Speaker 2: we won it back back over in the Bahamas. I think,
Speaker 2: wasn't it that that's about a few years ago.
Speaker 3: Was it the part I remember the San Francisco one?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. No, we don't remember that one
Speaker 2: because we like to forget bad memories. Hey just understand, Well,
Speaker 2: I think that's that's a reason me light topic for
Speaker 2: something even lighter. Ben Boyce, who's one of the hosts
Speaker 2: of the hits here it ends at me. He's he's
Speaker 2: pranked his daughters on TikTok And normally I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: into this, but I watched the video and he basically
Speaker 2: goes into a drive through I think it's McDonald's, and
Speaker 2: he uses all the language of the young and they're
Speaker 2: basically dying a death in that. Anyway, we're going to
Speaker 2: play a little clip of it. But he's got three
Speaker 2: point four million views on TikTok, and I have to
Speaker 2: say I almost don't understand a single word he's saying. Here,
Speaker 2: but here it is hi, hi fan. I'm kind of
Speaker 2: feeling skivity, so I've got off my gat so to
Speaker 2: come up to riz up my chicken please, I r L.
Speaker 4: Thank that sounds sigma.
Speaker 2: It's just one check.
Speaker 3: I'm thirsty, so maybe have Do you have a minium lemonade?
Speaker 1: And it sounds bussing?
Speaker 2: Do you have the Sunday?
Speaker 1: If you have the sundow will hat the gritty no cap?
Speaker 4: All my daughters are don't be so yeah, let's.
Speaker 2: Got chocolate, weird flex small great, thanks, that's all good. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: it's it is worth watching Chris. There's a just absolutely
Speaker 2: cringing in the background.
Speaker 3: Mortified.
Speaker 2: I used I used one hip word in front of
Speaker 2: my daughters the other day and they're like, oh Dad,
Speaker 2: you're so cringey, which is why I looked at this
Speaker 2: and thought, Ben, You're my hero. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try this myself. Do you understand any of
Speaker 2: that people.
Speaker 4: Actually, I wonder whether he may well have sort of
Speaker 4: shone a light on a dark secret of parenthood, which
Speaker 4: is that our job is to embarrass the hell out
Speaker 4: of children in the opportunity particular need to embrace that.
Speaker 3: Is that that he is He's nailed it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a gold medal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, vibe, chick, hit the gritty. No cap means no joke,
Speaker 2: I'm being serious. Cap means you're lying or joking. Where
Speaker 2: does the stuff come? Busting means very good. I can
Speaker 2: understand that one rez having a game that sort of
Speaker 2: makes that makes a little bit of sense, very good.
Speaker 2: The one that I the one that annoys me is sick.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so sick. It's like, but that's but that
Speaker 2: means good. But that's least he didn't use that one.
Speaker 3: That's not at least twenty years old sick, is it? Okay,
Speaker 3: that's not that.
Speaker 2: I just catching up.
Speaker 3: Really, my daughter uses sligh a lot. Oh yes, and
Speaker 3: legit legit is one at least.
Speaker 4: That's halfway in English word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, legit, Well legit is actually that is English,
Speaker 2: it's system abbreviation. It's not actually that hip. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not that cool with that one. We can probably
Speaker 2: do better. I need to go check my teenage that
Speaker 2: saw us.
Speaker 3: You know, when you look at you, when you look
Speaker 3: at popular culture, dads are complete defaces. There are very
Speaker 3: few hero heroic dads right in popular culture. Homer Simpson. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Pepper pigs, dad daddy people, they're always like and so
Speaker 3: kids are going out with these appalling role models. We
Speaker 3: have got a chance, No wonder, we're struggling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do? Do you like you work in
Speaker 2: the media? How does how do? But did you ever
Speaker 2: embarrass your your daughter with dad stories?
Speaker 3: Every every joke of dad joke? Absolutely, they're very sophisticated.
Speaker 4: My joke dropping Joseph off outside, I drive in, right,
Speaker 4: don't drive? Why are you driving in? Because I've got
Speaker 4: my car pike up here? What do you mean you've
Speaker 4: got a car park here? Oh it's my cow pick.
Speaker 4: Oh you don't, Yes, you don't.
Speaker 2: And then you what you're supposed to say is I'm
Speaker 2: going to announce.
Speaker 4: Your arrivals for a bit ye.
Speaker 2: Anyway, at anyway, if you haven't seen it, he's got
Speaker 2: three point four million views, I would say he's got
Speaker 2: a bit of a payday coming to him. Problem because
Speaker 2: there are a couple of other ones he's pinned have
Speaker 2: also got about three million views. So Ben's killing it
Speaker 2: on the tiktoks zero people.
Speaker 3: He's a man of our times.
Speaker 2: Exactly good and we'll be back in just a moment.
Speaker 2: It's twenty two minutes to four news Talks the'd B
Speaker 2: and welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I'm Tim Beverage,
Speaker 2: my guests Mark Kreisel and Pete Wolfcamp. Aren't it well?
Speaker 2: I don't know how much merriment we can have, so
Speaker 2: let's have something serious. The Local Government New Zealand conference
Speaker 2: took place this week. Luxon ruffled a few feathers, basically
Speaker 2: telling basically telling councils to rain and the WISTE. I guess.
Speaker 2: He said the government wants a constructive relationship with councils,
Speaker 2: but that localism devolution comes with both rights and also responsibilities.
Speaker 2: So here ruffled a few feathers. I think around New
Speaker 2: Zealand generally people think oh, because councils are banging their
Speaker 2: apes up and there doesn't seem to be the same
Speaker 2: headlines around restraint. Pete Wolfcamp, what's your take?
Speaker 4: Well, reading the paper this morning, reading the Herald this morning.
Speaker 4: There's a story about a subdivision in west Auckland where
Speaker 4: I think it's four hundred and seventy houses. We're consented right,
Speaker 4: there's about four hundred of them built and occupied. At
Speaker 4: the moment. All of the waste goes down the pipes
Speaker 4: into a chamber where it then gets collected by trucks
Speaker 4: and trucked away because nobody's put in the waste water.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, so really so it kind of feels
Speaker 4: like stick to your netting, council. Oh I say that,
Speaker 4: I immediately want to leap in and go, you know,
Speaker 4: for all of the criticism that councils sometimes get. I
Speaker 4: was walking through Takapuna the other day where they've done
Speaker 4: sort of a redevelopment of some of the walkways and
Speaker 4: so on, and it's beautiful, and they had a light
Speaker 4: festival there the other day and it was packed with
Speaker 4: people enjoying themselves. And it's that like, well crafted, well
Speaker 4: built public amenity is in fact really really good. But
Speaker 4: then if the pipes are broken, you know, it's a
Speaker 4: very difficult choice for counsels to make because nobody sees
Speaker 4: the non sexy stuff, you know, the good infrastructure that
Speaker 4: works reliably. No one's going to pat you on the
Speaker 4: back for them.
Speaker 2: Maybe when they do some new pipes, they should have
Speaker 2: a big party to celebrate and say, look we've got
Speaker 2: some new pipes. You can't see them right now, but
Speaker 2: underneath here.
Speaker 4: Instructure, the central interceptor story is a fantastic story.
Speaker 2: What's that.
Speaker 4: You just flush toilet and think that it's all magic.
Speaker 4: The fairies come and take your poos away. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of fantastic progy, you know, and we should celebrate
Speaker 4: that sort of infrastructure stuff. It's it's not sexy, it
Speaker 4: doesn't get the headlines, but it's so absolutely critical.
Speaker 2: What Mark, what do you what do you think of?
Speaker 3: Because I think the Prime Minister was punching down. I
Speaker 3: mean I think it's it's it's politicians get blamed for everything,
Speaker 3: particularly government governments get blamed, clear Trevet said this morning.
Speaker 3: But there is only one politic type of politicians that's
Speaker 3: even more unpopular than the ones in the beehive, and
Speaker 3: that's local body one now, and that's because we never vote.
Speaker 3: This wowful amounts of people come out well and vote
Speaker 3: for for counsels and then everybody else wines well, actually
Speaker 3: get off your bums and vote and get in vote
Speaker 3: or something and stop winging. And I'm actually getting really
Speaker 3: sick of politicians of whatever h just blaming. Oh you're
Speaker 3: not doing this, blame, blame, blame. What about some positive
Speaker 3: solutions here? What are you said? Why did you just
Speaker 3: help them? If it's not working, then step up and
Speaker 3: help them. I think it's all about punishment. I'm sick
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Hell have a willing audience, I think, because it does
Speaker 2: seem to be While the government's rhetoric is all around
Speaker 2: trying to save money here and there, people's rate spells
Speaker 2: have gone up quite substantially, and so you do want
Speaker 2: to sort of think, well, okay, I want to see
Speaker 2: the evidence that you're I want to just want to
Speaker 2: show me the evidence that you're doing good job. And
Speaker 2: the problem is, you get some good cans counsels, and
Speaker 2: you get ones with a fairly broad mixture of competencies,
Speaker 2: and it's, to be honest, it feels like a lottery.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it comes down to this
Speaker 3: appalling infrastructure deficit we have in this country. With the
Speaker 3: catch up we're playing rather than just constantly maintaining them,
Speaker 3: were modernizing. But it's all of a sudden, we wake
Speaker 3: up one day and think, oh my god, we need infrastructure,
Speaker 3: and we start again and we've got to raise the money,
Speaker 3: and then people don't want people to spend. We should
Speaker 3: be spending at Auckland on a second halb, a crossing.
Speaker 3: We should be starting it now, because every day we
Speaker 3: delay and make the decision later it's going to be
Speaker 3: another few billion, trillion, gazillion dollars.
Speaker 2: I think the way there's a Welling audience for this
Speaker 2: is that to me, if I was to sum up
Speaker 2: what I think of local government, I'd think Wellington's debating
Speaker 2: whether to stick all these speed humps around whatever it
Speaker 2: is Thornton Key or something, and actually forget about what's
Speaker 2: above ground, start doing the stuff underground and you know,
Speaker 2: stuff I just want to see. I think most people
Speaker 2: just want to know that the basics are done well,
Speaker 2: and you know, the other stuff maybe take a back
Speaker 2: seat on the virtue signaling.
Speaker 4: Well, that was the normal, enormous irony of the conference
Speaker 4: in Welling. To step over a flash conference center and
Speaker 4: then outside at two o'clock in the morning, a massive
Speaker 4: will remain that's probably one hundred years old, bursts and floods.
Speaker 4: You know, a couple of side streets you just go, come.
Speaker 2: On, that's just language. It's a water spout, it's a
Speaker 2: tourist feature.
Speaker 3: But I also think I agree. I mean, you've got
Speaker 3: to do the basics. I agree, But you also want
Speaker 3: to create a city that you want to live in,
Speaker 3: that has festivals and parks and things for the kids
Speaker 3: to do. And that's just as important. You know that
Speaker 3: that you you grow some some love for the place
Speaker 3: where you lived, some care, and that way you'll get involved.
Speaker 4: And yeah, for all of the disruption of Key Street,
Speaker 4: if you go for a wander down here past Commercial
Speaker 4: Bay and hop onto the ferry and go across and
Speaker 4: look at the quality of that area now versus when
Speaker 4: it was kind of like a small motorway and all
Speaker 4: the rest of it is much better. It's probably been
Speaker 4: wateringly expensive. It took seemingly forever to do, didn't get
Speaker 4: it ready in time for the America's Cup. I remember
Speaker 4: walking through there on a Sunday, going, how come there's
Speaker 4: no one working? You know, why don't people want to
Speaker 4: work on these projects on a Sunday?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just assume they did. On the
Speaker 2: radio that's why this weak and collective. Yeah, number one nationwide.
Speaker 2: By the way, did I say that it just slipped out?
Speaker 2: I was thank you, thank you, thank you. It's thanks
Speaker 2: to my quality guests like yourselves. Well, anyway, I resemble
Speaker 2: that remark. I'm just going to go. We're just going
Speaker 2: to take a couple of minutes so I can sit back,
Speaker 2: have a couple of tea. The rest of my laurels.
Speaker 2: At twelve minutes to four, Oh my goodness. Mark Kreisel
Speaker 2: is absolutely grieven to the song from his I don't
Speaker 2: know when that would have been love Shack, but there
Speaker 2: it goes back a while. This panel, by the way,
Speaker 2: Mark krysl just last week, doesn't And Pete Wolfcamp, this
Speaker 2: is the panel on news talks'd be the weekend Collective.
Speaker 2: Now another sort of slightly heavy topic. But the government
Speaker 2: has stepped in after it was revealed that police have
Speaker 2: intentionally not been enforcing a law banning smoking and vapor
Speaker 2: and cars carrying children. I know that. I think probably
Speaker 2: the police have a lot on their plates, but not
Speaker 2: a single fine has been issued since the law came
Speaker 2: into force in twenty twenty one. Pete Wolfcamp, what say you?
Speaker 4: I guess it's more that they've got other jobs to do,
Speaker 4: which they probably prioritize. And this is a sort of
Speaker 4: public health issue. It's not a is it a criminal offense?
Speaker 4: Obvious police want to be that group that's just right the.
Speaker 2: Ticket and give it to them, see you later. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I kind of think they can barely get round to
Speaker 3: burglaries or all, you know, all the retail crime and
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. And if you if you're
Speaker 3: diverting that that that small resource to picking up people
Speaker 3: having a vape in their car while the kids are
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd go out looking for them. But
Speaker 2: if you pull someone right down the window and out
Speaker 2: belows the smoke, then it's just like here, it's smoking
Speaker 2: in a car. There you go, knock your hand.
Speaker 4: Onto the list of seat belt, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: You know what's worse is the mobile phone use of
Speaker 3: people while striving in this country. Does my do you
Speaker 3: ever use yours while you're driving? No?
Speaker 2: Excellent?
Speaker 3: No? At the Lions? Does that count?
Speaker 2: Yes? It does count? Actually, people, I was asking for
Speaker 2: a friend all the time in the car, I mean,
Speaker 2: or googling. What is the meaning just it's it's a
Speaker 2: useful time to make a catch up on phone calls.
Speaker 4: Of course I do.
Speaker 3: I used the phone on my hands free but but
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't use I wouldn't but like be texting
Speaker 3: or anything like that. I mean, but I'm seeing people
Speaker 3: doing that all the time and no one's picking them up.
Speaker 3: I find that that, to me is far more.
Speaker 2: Back to this vaping thing, though, And it seems that
Speaker 2: the police are like, well, if they're vaping in the car,
Speaker 2: there'll be other problems and stuff and why. But it's
Speaker 2: almost like what, I don't know what their excuse really
Speaker 2: is in terms of if this is a law, you
Speaker 2: enforce it, don't you as opposed to oh, well you
Speaker 2: know there are there be other issues that play innutrition
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah yeah, But I mean it's not like
Speaker 2: do I charge you with something really serious or how
Speaker 2: do I charge you for this fight you got? Until
Speaker 2: we do we charge you with serious assault. It's just
Speaker 2: it's it's like, if I'm going sixty five and I
Speaker 2: get pulled over our cop, I'm getting a ticket. You're
Speaker 2: smoking in the car while you've got kids. Maybe the
Speaker 2: long term effects of that that's really serious.
Speaker 4: Too, but not a single citation note, not a single one.
Speaker 4: So let's say you do pull a car over and
Speaker 4: they've been speeding and wind the window down. There's some
Speaker 4: young children in the back, hopefully restrained, and mum or
Speaker 4: dad's been vaping. Would you add that to the ticket?
Speaker 4: You probably should.
Speaker 2: Well, so, in fact, you know what it tells you.
Speaker 2: It tells you that the police edict from management is
Speaker 2: like the government passed this law, but you know what,
Speaker 2: we're not enforcing it. Don't waste your time with it.
Speaker 2: That to me, there can be no other excuse other
Speaker 2: than management have decided to ignore the law, and anyone
Speaker 2: going to push back on that, it'd be a pretty
Speaker 2: hard thing.
Speaker 4: If you know, you see those the cop shows where
Speaker 4: they're gathering around and the sergeants up there, and this
Speaker 4: is what we're focusing on today. Team, let's go out
Speaker 4: and find people that have been vaping.
Speaker 2: That cas no, but maybe a reminder of so much
Speaker 2: more to do to.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm good try to. I'll give you that
Speaker 3: good try.
Speaker 2: But it clearly is a management thing, isn't it. They've
Speaker 2: been told not to.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I guess it's three years, three years of
Speaker 3: not a fine, they can't even get the real big ones.
Speaker 3: Well they've changed their approach now, but we'll see what
Speaker 3: that means. Hey, just quickly, Leon McDonald's quit, well he's quit,
Speaker 3: will have been quit or nudged or however it's gone.
Speaker 3: There probably be a payout there somewhere, I must say.
Speaker 3: I just you know, if it was Scott Robertson quitting,
Speaker 3: I'd be more excited. But I just want them to
Speaker 3: win in Southampia. Yeah, if this is the foster though,
Speaker 3: we were been throwing our hands and then toys out
Speaker 3: the colt completely. I mean I think the handle it
Speaker 3: really well, it was quite clean. I'm going we didn't
Speaker 3: get on. Yep, that's the grown up thing to do.
Speaker 3: That happens sometimes in life, you know, and you move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah you've tried, and you move flush the dunny and
Speaker 2: you move on. Just depends on how big the payout
Speaker 2: is more the dunny, Yes, indeed, and hopefully we beat
Speaker 2: them in South Africa. That would be the game. I'll
Speaker 2: get up now, ye talk, Yeah we go. Hey, thanks
Speaker 2: so much for your time, guys. We've got about thirty
Speaker 2: seconds to say goodbye. Mark. What are he up to
Speaker 2: you keeping? You've got a few plans in the world.
Speaker 3: I have some mines in the fire. Let's just say
Speaker 3: look out New Zealand. Good No, no no. When I
Speaker 3: left Sunday, I thought I wanted to I still want
Speaker 3: to tell stories, but I want to take it to
Speaker 3: another level. And even if I fall flat on my face,
Speaker 3: at least I had a crack.
Speaker 2: And people's resonant builder. Of course, I'll come when you
Speaker 2: do something. Yeah, six o'clock, get into it. Good on you.
Speaker 4: I'll give you a call.
Speaker 2: Do that, Okay, I'll set it to silent. Catch you soon.
Speaker 2: We'll be bad for the parents. Wide is next. Thanks
Speaker 2: to wonder Ifray of your show.
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