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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome. This is the Sunday edition of Weekend

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Speaker 3: Sport on News Talks AB November sixteenth, Happy seventy fourth

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Speaker 3: third day to former All Blacks captain Andy Dalton. I'm

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine. Show producer is Andy McDonald. We are talking

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Speaker 3: sport with you until three.

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Speaker 5: Sporting Day Day nineteen.

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Speaker 3: England have denied the All Blacks a Grand Slam, handed

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Speaker 3: them a third defeat of the year, and achieved their

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Speaker 3: first foot over US since twenty nineteen. They're first against

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Speaker 3: US at Twickenham since twenty twelve, just a second home

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Speaker 3: win over the All Blacks in twenty three years. It's

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Speaker 3: their second biggest winning margin over US and the second

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Speaker 3: most points they've ever scored in a Test against the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks. All Black's assistant coach Tumoty Allison along shortly

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Speaker 3: and English view from the BBC's Chris Jones, But lots

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Speaker 3: of time for your thoughts and I know you will

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Speaker 3: have some lines open immediately and across the afternoon to

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Speaker 3: analyze this All Blacks performance and if we zoom out

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Speaker 3: to analyze exactly where the All Blacks are at two

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Speaker 3: years into Scott Robertson's tenure and two years out from

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Speaker 3: the next Rugby World Cup, the All Blacks are our

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Speaker 3: focus for a decent chunk of the afternoon. Lines are

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Speaker 3: open immediately other matters around today. An eagle on the

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Speaker 3: after three rounds of the season ending DP World Tour

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Speaker 3: Championship finale in Tubai and still with a PGA Tour

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Speaker 3: on the final day when that gets underweight tonight with

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Speaker 3: for the LA Olympics. We'll have a look at that.

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Speaker 3: And after an incredible career spanning over fifteen years, Black

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Speaker 3: Sticks men's defender and former captain Blair Tarrant has announced

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Speaker 3: his retirement. He's on the show this afternoon too, James

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Speaker 3: mcconey as usual on a Sunday Live Sport this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The All Whites up against Columbia from one point thirty.

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Speaker 3: Will keep eyes on that for you, and the black

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Speaker 3: Caps and West Indies going to fifty over mode. Game

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Speaker 3: one of their three match ODII series starts at two

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Speaker 3: today at Hagleoval and christ Church. Progress scores for you

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

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Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason Vine.

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Speaker 2: Us talks be your Blacks.

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Speaker 3: England thirty three All Blacks nineteen All Black's assistant coach

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Speaker 3: What's your overall evaluation of the All Blacks performance today?

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Speaker 6: You probably didn't take opportunities in the first half. They

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Speaker 3: What areas in particular are going to be most important

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Speaker 6: I think a couple of structural on the defensive side

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Speaker 3: The team implementing the game plan that you're asking them to.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think when you when you see the boys

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Speaker 3: What did you make of the yellow card, Cody Taylor?

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Speaker 6: At the same time, I thought that they started with

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Speaker 7: They did a really good job there.

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Speaker 3: What's fatigue effactor at all today?

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Speaker 6: As I said in the part, we've got net Gil here,

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Speaker 3: And if you're looking for areas where more improvement is

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Speaker 6: You always start with my area that you know something

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Speaker 3: So we're about to reach the midway point of the

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Speaker 6: This this is definitely still a gift, and you know

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Speaker 7: I think I think it's both.

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Speaker 6: We've got great individual athletes and we want them to

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Speaker 7: So they said that there's a gap in all.

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Speaker 6: The areas and so they should be because of the

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Speaker 3: Is this a gutting loss for you?

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Speaker 7: It is definitely is yes.

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Speaker 7: You know. The important thing now.

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Speaker 6: Is is we bounced back quick because you know, the

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Speaker 7: Going into a new team, so we'll have to bounce fast.

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Speaker 3: Tommody, Hey, thanks for taking our call. Appreciated. That's Tomothy Ellison,

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Speaker 3: one of the assistant coaches of the All Blacks. Lines

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Speaker 3: open for your reaction to what you heard there, to

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Speaker 3: All Blacks have not improved under Scott Robertson. As fans,

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Speaker 3: because it means we become dependent on individuals, not on

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Speaker 3: the last two years have we seen a consistently cohesive

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Speaker 3: attacking performance from the All Blacks. The inexplicable third quarter

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Speaker 3: We haven't scored a single point between halftime and the

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Speaker 3: But that won't mask the fact that this is an

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to some of your calls. Blair high mate,

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Speaker 9: Here you give the mate.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well you've given a good summary there. I would

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Speaker 10: There doesn't seem to be a focus on discipline. There

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Speaker 10: With George Barrett gone, who is there who you could

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Speaker 10: Where's day to saba Bean? All season he was outplayed

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Speaker 10: he was outplayed today by England. But you know we

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Speaker 3: Yeah there was a yeah, yeah, Lots lots to unpack

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Speaker 3: I just cannot see improvement in this team. I don't feel,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't get it. I don't you know, and

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Speaker 10: I don't think we have a coach there who you know,

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Speaker 3: We need to get mc burn, We need to get

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I know you can't go back, mate, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: hey Blair, I've got a lot of calls to get

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Speaker 3: to us. You can probably understand. Thanks for kicking us

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Speaker 3: off in such passionate fashion. Mate, Jill, Hello, oh hi,

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Speaker 12: Depth of the loss. To me is that What I'm

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Speaker 12: Maybe Jordie can carry on. But I think the rest

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Speaker 3: I would say, Jill that they have not had memorable years.

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Speaker 3: Scott and Boden, they've both been afflicted by injury. I

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Speaker 3: me today he just looked. He lookspen, he looked out

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Speaker 3: I will come back to you. On Scott've a couple

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Speaker 3: of times I've said, I think he's incumbered by I

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Speaker 12: Body has been a great servant and I agree with you.

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Speaker 12: I don't think the captain tree suits Scott, and therefore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's no crime, Jill, is it? That's no crime.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot There are a lot of players who

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Speaker 3: We can't tell what Scott Barrett's like inside the team environment.

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Speaker 3: It's impossible for us to tell. We don't know, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know. He just looks wayed down by it.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't seem like a nat All fit for him.

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Speaker 3: And that's okay. On that said it a couple of

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Speaker 3: Thanks j you'll appreciate it. Riccardo, Hello, Ricardo? Have we

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Speaker 3: Ricardo's gone. It's got a Peter up Hey, Peter, Well,

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Speaker 3: the only I.

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Speaker 4: Just thought a bit of breath. I'm just trying, man.

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Speaker 3: Irons, You're you're just doing what what are you out about?

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Speaker 3: Getting some? Are you nice?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: He didn't better exercise right Mount Island and Monica. It's

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Speaker 4: a great walk.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I rang you a couple of weeks ago about

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Speaker 4: So I put the loss. I set the loss home

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Speaker 4: to Golden Barrats. If we had those kicks would have

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Speaker 4: He was allowed to kick tible to kicks to touch anymore.

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Speaker 4: Jordan did it, or Jordan should have been doing it

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Speaker 4: that seats home to Scott Robinson. He's fully responsible for that,

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Speaker 4: and I shoot it home to him and the coaching.

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Speaker 4: I hate bagging coaches, but by golly, something's got to change.

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Speaker 4: We are not going ahead, we're going backwards and Boden

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Speaker 4: If he needs to be removed or told not to kick,

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Speaker 4: but something's got to be done. It's hugely frustrating for

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Speaker 4: me as a fan, and I'm sure for others to

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Speaker 4: see that happening. We had real momentum and we lost it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Peta. Sounds like the walks been invigorating for you.

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Speaker 3: I hope it continues to be. Boden Barrett will be

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Speaker 3: the way he played. Cam Roygat also missed a kick

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Speaker 3: to touch. We found out afterwards Boat and Barratt's carrying

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Speaker 3: everything he has that Richie Mulwonga will come in and

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Speaker 3: that will happen. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty twelve thirty,

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Speaker 3: It was going okay for a while.

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Speaker 9: Hello, Mike, Hey, Finny. Yeah, the elephant in the room

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Speaker 9: is that yellow cad. I think it had a big

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Speaker 9: one of the worst yellow cards I've ever seen, and

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Speaker 9: ruining in international rugby. Really, I mean, it was just pathetic.

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Speaker 9: If you're going to give a yellow card like that,

436
00:24:31,267 --> 00:24:33,947
Speaker 9: you could just about seen every player off with every penalty,

437
00:24:34,067 --> 00:24:38,027
Speaker 9: every single bleoming game. It was just absolutely ridiculous and

438
00:24:38,267 --> 00:24:41,667
Speaker 9: I just fully didn't understand it, and we'll understand it

439
00:24:41,667 --> 00:24:45,147
Speaker 9: to the day I die. It's it's just adiotic. But

440
00:24:45,707 --> 00:24:48,067
Speaker 9: the All Black season is sort of winding up. I

441
00:24:48,067 --> 00:24:52,267
Speaker 9: guess we hopefully will beat Wales, but yeah, I just

442
00:24:52,507 --> 00:24:54,587
Speaker 9: it took me back to sort of six years ago

443
00:24:54,667 --> 00:24:58,387
Speaker 9: the game where you know they have this rush defense,

444
00:24:58,667 --> 00:25:00,747
Speaker 9: we know what they're going to do, They're going to

445
00:25:00,787 --> 00:25:03,467
Speaker 9: do that every time, and we just haven't in six years.

446
00:25:03,787 --> 00:25:06,467
Speaker 9: We don't seem to have come anywhere from it. In

447
00:25:06,547 --> 00:25:11,387
Speaker 9: the kicking, we're one of the worst top kicking teams

448
00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:14,587
Speaker 9: in the world. You've got to hand it to England

449
00:25:14,627 --> 00:25:17,947
Speaker 9: and Ireland. I remember when Ireland came here, just watching

450
00:25:17,987 --> 00:25:20,587
Speaker 9: their kicking was almost quite a treat because it was

451
00:25:20,747 --> 00:25:25,387
Speaker 9: just purposeful and completely accurate. Every time. We don't seem

452
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Speaker 9: to have that in our play. A lot of the

453
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Speaker 9: kicks we put up aren't even contested half the time,

454
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Speaker 9: they go straight to the other scene, whereas when England

455
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Speaker 9: were kicking, every single one of those kicks were contested

456
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Speaker 9: and oftentimes won.

457
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Speaker 3: Just on the kicking I think you and I have

458
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Speaker 3: talked about this quite a bit, Mark, just.

459
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Speaker 15: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I was watching it this morning and every time we

461
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Speaker 3: put a kick up, I thought, to our stuff, I

462
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Speaker 3: wonder if we'll contest, and more often than not it

463
00:25:56,387 --> 00:25:59,587
Speaker 3: was too far ahead to contest. But with every England kick,

464
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Speaker 3: it's clearly a tactic and it's clearly technically been worked on.

465
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Speaker 3: Every kick is content And look, you don't blame them,

466
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Speaker 3: do you, because it is a vulnerability of ours at

467
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Speaker 3: the moment, but just a pure technique of the kick

468
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Speaker 3: and the chase.

469
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Speaker 15: I saw.

470
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Speaker 3: I'm bother bewildered by at all, Mike, as you could

471
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Speaker 3: probably hear.

472
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Speaker 9: It doesn't seem to be a complicated process to put

473
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Speaker 9: a kick up and then continue people to catch it.

474
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Speaker 9: But you know, I mean Will Jordan's a tall player.

475
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Speaker 9: I mean Cadi of Clark's, you know, pretty tall. I

476
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Speaker 9: mean to me, they say it to work on, but

477
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Speaker 9: you know, they've got a whole week, they got forty

478
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Speaker 9: or fifty hours in a week to sort of practice it.

479
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Speaker 9: But it doesn't seem to improve the hell of them.

480
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Speaker 9: But yeah, again, just going back to that, I thought

481
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Speaker 9: against the French there and at some part they really

482
00:26:50,627 --> 00:26:53,427
Speaker 9: almost it was almost like ten minutes and they really

483
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Speaker 9: changed the way they punched through the forward pack and

484
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Speaker 9: it was really quite good to see because it was

485
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Speaker 9: something different I saw in this All Black side and

486
00:27:03,347 --> 00:27:05,867
Speaker 9: it was something that you need to change because it

487
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Speaker 9: is you said, I don't Richie Muwanga is going to

488
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Speaker 9: come back.

489
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Speaker 16: He's not going to be able to.

490
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Speaker 9: Penetrate that that white line of England jerseys when they

491
00:27:13,267 --> 00:27:15,907
Speaker 9: rush defense and we don't seem to have any plan

492
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Speaker 9: to be able to do that. And to me, it's

493
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Speaker 9: it's just a lack of a lack of imagination and

494
00:27:24,067 --> 00:27:27,187
Speaker 9: vision within the All Black coaching that they have these

495
00:27:27,187 --> 00:27:30,947
Speaker 9: set plans. A goalie touched on it this morning. He said,

496
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Speaker 9: you know, we used to play play play what was

497
00:27:33,667 --> 00:27:35,867
Speaker 9: in front of us, but we sort of play these structures.

498
00:27:35,867 --> 00:27:37,947
Speaker 9: And I think that's maybe the criticism I have of

499
00:27:38,987 --> 00:27:43,027
Speaker 9: Robinson that that he's got these structures and it works

500
00:27:43,027 --> 00:27:46,187
Speaker 9: for Canterbury, but maybe it doesn't work at international level

501
00:27:46,187 --> 00:27:48,867
Speaker 9: where you just keep doing the same thing over and

502
00:27:48,947 --> 00:27:51,187
Speaker 9: over again, you know what I mean, There needs to

503
00:27:51,227 --> 00:27:54,187
Speaker 9: be another plan. There needs to be another plan when

504
00:27:54,227 --> 00:27:56,547
Speaker 9: that's not working. Like if you if you've got these

505
00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:59,227
Speaker 9: back line moves where you try and get the ball

506
00:27:59,267 --> 00:28:02,467
Speaker 9: out past their rush defense, and it works on occasion,

507
00:28:02,747 --> 00:28:04,907
Speaker 9: but if you keep doing that over and over again,

508
00:28:05,067 --> 00:28:08,467
Speaker 9: and you saw it points during the game where they

509
00:28:08,467 --> 00:28:10,947
Speaker 9: were rushing passes, the ball went to no one because

510
00:28:10,947 --> 00:28:12,547
Speaker 9: they were up in our face and we didn't know

511
00:28:12,587 --> 00:28:15,667
Speaker 9: what to do. And yeah, to me, it's just a

512
00:28:15,747 --> 00:28:17,387
Speaker 9: lack of imagination, really.

513
00:28:19,187 --> 00:28:21,707
Speaker 3: Yeah no, But it used to be a hallmark of

514
00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:25,347
Speaker 3: our smart I remember watching the and I don't want

515
00:28:25,387 --> 00:28:27,907
Speaker 3: to get misty eyed here because there's no real point

516
00:28:27,947 --> 00:28:31,307
Speaker 3: in it, but all Black sides used to be world

517
00:28:31,427 --> 00:28:36,667
Speaker 3: leaders in attacking creativity, you know, back line moves with

518
00:28:36,787 --> 00:28:41,267
Speaker 3: a bit of misdirection, quick hands, slick skills, you know,

519
00:28:41,507 --> 00:28:46,227
Speaker 3: unpredictability and players who you know could also add a

520
00:28:46,307 --> 00:28:51,347
Speaker 3: dash of individual brilliance. But it was more back line cohesion,

521
00:28:51,707 --> 00:28:54,587
Speaker 3: and it just doesn't seem to be there anymore. Look,

522
00:28:54,587 --> 00:28:57,947
Speaker 3: I know they're making a change, or there's there's going

523
00:28:57,987 --> 00:28:59,547
Speaker 3: to be a change. I think Jason Holland is in

524
00:28:59,667 --> 00:29:02,867
Speaker 3: charge of attack. He is obviously finishing up at the

525
00:29:02,947 --> 00:29:04,787
Speaker 3: end of the year, as we know.

526
00:29:08,027 --> 00:29:12,227
Speaker 9: I don't think the backline, to me, is still world

527
00:29:12,227 --> 00:29:14,707
Speaker 9: class well, I think it is. I mean, like the

528
00:29:14,707 --> 00:29:17,507
Speaker 9: injuries we've had. I mean, you've taken Jordie away, you know,

529
00:29:18,067 --> 00:29:20,667
Speaker 9: you know you can see when cam Roy goes out,

530
00:29:20,747 --> 00:29:24,107
Speaker 9: there's certainly a drop and the quality of the person

531
00:29:24,147 --> 00:29:27,227
Speaker 9: that comes and behind them. I mean I think probably

532
00:29:27,267 --> 00:29:29,467
Speaker 9: having Richie Muwanga back, if he could come back and

533
00:29:29,587 --> 00:29:31,947
Speaker 9: recapture some of that form that he has, I mean,

534
00:29:31,987 --> 00:29:34,387
Speaker 9: he is to me, he probably is a better kicker

535
00:29:35,187 --> 00:29:38,467
Speaker 9: than Jeordie was. You know when we last saw Richie Muwanga.

536
00:29:39,107 --> 00:29:42,067
Speaker 9: His kicking is technical kicking. I think was better than

537
00:29:42,667 --> 00:29:45,147
Speaker 9: Boone and Barratt. But I'm not a Bode and Barrett

538
00:29:46,187 --> 00:29:49,347
Speaker 9: Basher at all. He's a fantastic player and servant and

539
00:29:49,387 --> 00:29:51,467
Speaker 9: he's probably going to be by this time he's finished

540
00:29:51,507 --> 00:29:54,187
Speaker 9: the most captial Black of all time. So yeah, i'd

541
00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:56,907
Speaker 9: never fashion I think he plays well ninety percent at

542
00:29:56,907 --> 00:29:59,587
Speaker 9: the time. But I mean every players has a bad game.

543
00:30:00,867 --> 00:30:02,627
Speaker 3: Good on you, Mark, always good chatting mate. Thanks for

544
00:30:02,667 --> 00:30:06,347
Speaker 3: taking the time to call in twenty one to one less.

545
00:30:06,427 --> 00:30:10,067
Speaker 3: Keep going, John, Hello, how's it go?

546
00:30:10,067 --> 00:30:10,227
Speaker 8: Good?

547
00:30:10,307 --> 00:30:10,547
Speaker 3: John?

548
00:30:11,827 --> 00:30:12,067
Speaker 7: Good?

549
00:30:12,427 --> 00:30:15,507
Speaker 8: I just I just I just think we're this whole

550
00:30:15,547 --> 00:30:18,947
Speaker 8: tour we've just lacked match sharpness.

551
00:30:19,027 --> 00:30:19,867
Speaker 4: We don't look foot.

552
00:30:20,747 --> 00:30:22,507
Speaker 8: I don't know how many times I watched the game

553
00:30:22,547 --> 00:30:26,627
Speaker 8: and our forwards look last off the ground. These high kicks,

554
00:30:26,627 --> 00:30:28,547
Speaker 8: we never seem to get the rubber of the green

555
00:30:28,547 --> 00:30:31,387
Speaker 8: because we're just too far away. We just look we

556
00:30:31,467 --> 00:30:33,987
Speaker 8: just don't look foot, if you're my opinion, we don't

557
00:30:33,987 --> 00:30:36,307
Speaker 8: look sharp like the Richie McCoury because we're not foot.

558
00:30:38,267 --> 00:30:41,347
Speaker 3: I think John, I think it might be fatigue, which

559
00:30:41,387 --> 00:30:43,747
Speaker 3: is an odd thing to say, but a lot of

560
00:30:43,747 --> 00:30:48,627
Speaker 3: those a couple of those guys look out against to me, yeah.

561
00:30:48,467 --> 00:30:50,787
Speaker 8: Well you know, I mean I've watched a lot of

562
00:30:50,827 --> 00:30:53,787
Speaker 8: the NPC and and you watch Josh Lord, he's been

563
00:30:53,827 --> 00:30:55,547
Speaker 8: the best forward on tour because he played in the

564
00:30:55,627 --> 00:30:59,267
Speaker 8: n PC. Foot he's mets foot, ready to go. You know,

565
00:30:59,387 --> 00:31:05,027
Speaker 8: we speak, we speak, yeah after almost what we've played

566
00:31:05,067 --> 00:31:08,987
Speaker 8: against five minutes against Ireland and he hasn't played since

567
00:31:08,987 --> 00:31:12,707
Speaker 8: the Rugby Championship. I meant, you can't be match sharp,

568
00:31:13,947 --> 00:31:16,987
Speaker 8: you know. So we just we just got we just

569
00:31:17,027 --> 00:31:19,587
Speaker 8: got to realize that maybe sometimes you look at if

570
00:31:19,627 --> 00:31:21,347
Speaker 8: you look at the New Zealand fifteen, he's doing the

571
00:31:21,427 --> 00:31:24,107
Speaker 8: right you know what I mean, And they match foot

572
00:31:24,107 --> 00:31:26,907
Speaker 8: because they come out of the n PC, we just

573
00:31:27,107 --> 00:31:30,987
Speaker 8: we're just we're just not fit. I just don't help people. Yeah,

574
00:31:30,987 --> 00:31:33,267
Speaker 8: you make silly mistake when you're not foot Barretts making

575
00:31:33,307 --> 00:31:36,267
Speaker 8: them the line that's not going well under fatigue, underprecire.

576
00:31:36,307 --> 00:31:38,547
Speaker 8: We've lined on our fitness. We don't have that anymore,

577
00:31:39,387 --> 00:31:39,587
Speaker 8: you know.

578
00:31:39,827 --> 00:31:40,747
Speaker 4: And not that you mean some.

579
00:31:40,707 --> 00:31:42,467
Speaker 8: Of our tight forwards they don't even look for in

580
00:31:42,507 --> 00:31:44,627
Speaker 8: the NPC when they played, and they still maybe all black.

581
00:31:44,707 --> 00:31:47,667
Speaker 8: So I meant the sharpness of the game comes back

582
00:31:47,707 --> 00:31:48,587
Speaker 8: to fitness.

583
00:31:48,187 --> 00:31:48,947
Speaker 4: For our team.

584
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Speaker 8: And as I watched the documentary on from Burger the

585
00:31:55,587 --> 00:32:00,587
Speaker 8: s Arican lock forward to Burger, he said, and he

586
00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:03,867
Speaker 8: said in the Sican documentary the other day our podcast,

587
00:32:03,947 --> 00:32:06,747
Speaker 8: he said, he's in game ten as good if you're

588
00:32:06,787 --> 00:32:09,467
Speaker 8: super fit, but it's not waterproof. Ut least you're super

589
00:32:09,467 --> 00:32:15,427
Speaker 8: fit and we're not super fitch get the moment. So yeah,

590
00:32:15,467 --> 00:32:17,427
Speaker 8: we last off the ground. You know, I watched that

591
00:32:17,507 --> 00:32:20,147
Speaker 8: game that England's on our line and our captain was

592
00:32:20,187 --> 00:32:22,667
Speaker 8: like last off the ground by heats and then he

593
00:32:22,747 --> 00:32:24,547
Speaker 8: stort of just stood behind someone else in the roll

594
00:32:24,587 --> 00:32:27,467
Speaker 8: defenctive on. So you know, I mean us that play

595
00:32:27,587 --> 00:32:30,267
Speaker 8: rugby just can see it. You know, we're just not

596
00:32:30,707 --> 00:32:34,507
Speaker 8: shovel enough. And and I just think it's because they're

597
00:32:34,547 --> 00:32:37,987
Speaker 8: not playing n PC. I really do this fatigue, but

598
00:32:38,027 --> 00:32:39,747
Speaker 8: they've had you can say fatigue, but they had a

599
00:32:39,747 --> 00:32:40,227
Speaker 8: month off.

600
00:32:40,587 --> 00:32:44,627
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess that's nice thing, fatigue, John. And

601
00:32:44,627 --> 00:32:46,347
Speaker 3: you know, it's such an interesting point you make. I

602
00:32:46,387 --> 00:32:49,507
Speaker 3: say fatigue because that's what it looks like. But as

603
00:32:49,547 --> 00:32:52,547
Speaker 3: you say, they've actually played less rugby than some of

604
00:32:52,547 --> 00:32:54,867
Speaker 3: the other blocks are out there who look so you're right,

605
00:32:54,867 --> 00:32:58,547
Speaker 3: it's that it's that match fitness that, you know, compared

606
00:32:58,587 --> 00:33:00,947
Speaker 3: to a bit of sluggishness when you haven't had a game.

607
00:33:00,947 --> 00:33:03,067
Speaker 3: From the problem I strike because they'll bring some guys

608
00:33:03,067 --> 00:33:05,387
Speaker 3: in next week. I guess. A good example Ruben Love

609
00:33:05,427 --> 00:33:07,467
Speaker 3: hasn't hasn't had a game a rugby for a while.

610
00:33:07,547 --> 00:33:09,907
Speaker 3: I mean he dropped into the dropped into the into

611
00:33:09,907 --> 00:33:11,827
Speaker 3: the All blacksmithteen and I'm sure he was rapped to

612
00:33:11,827 --> 00:33:14,027
Speaker 3: do it. You know, you want him to come in

613
00:33:14,067 --> 00:33:16,027
Speaker 3: and make a difference next week, and he's a he's

614
00:33:16,067 --> 00:33:18,307
Speaker 3: a young foot guy who may well do that. But

615
00:33:18,987 --> 00:33:22,827
Speaker 3: it's that balance between between having opportunity playing rugby but

616
00:33:22,867 --> 00:33:27,787
Speaker 3: also this whole sports science around refreshing and recovering and

617
00:33:27,787 --> 00:33:30,027
Speaker 3: all that sort of thing. So it's such an interesting

618
00:33:30,067 --> 00:33:30,547
Speaker 3: point you make.

619
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Speaker 8: Well, the other position we're going on about a center,

620
00:33:33,867 --> 00:33:38,747
Speaker 8: but the center from Kennery Company is Brad Yep. He's

621
00:33:39,147 --> 00:33:42,067
Speaker 8: he was awesome in the NPC. He's fit, he's match foot,

622
00:33:42,147 --> 00:33:43,827
Speaker 8: he shar't ready to go, but he won't get in

623
00:33:43,907 --> 00:33:46,827
Speaker 8: because you know, I mean, it's like we're sticking with

624
00:33:46,867 --> 00:33:49,507
Speaker 8: these guys without creating any contests. The contest is coming

625
00:33:49,867 --> 00:33:55,867
Speaker 8: the first five for Icago for Taraniki Lord what's his name,

626
00:33:55,947 --> 00:34:00,787
Speaker 8: Josh jac Jacobs. I mean, the metch fit. They're playing well.

627
00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:05,627
Speaker 8: Put pressure on these other guys. Somehow you can get

628
00:34:05,707 --> 00:34:08,267
Speaker 8: through it. The other Icigo Open soft Flinger. He's doing

629
00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:11,067
Speaker 8: the right and the players are there and they're playing

630
00:34:11,147 --> 00:34:13,547
Speaker 8: rugby and they fit. They need to be putting pressure

631
00:34:13,587 --> 00:34:15,827
Speaker 8: on these guys. But at the moment it feels a

632
00:34:15,827 --> 00:34:17,707
Speaker 8: bit no. This may sound real mean, but it feels

633
00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:20,547
Speaker 8: like a big boys club. Everyone's scratching everyone else's back.

634
00:34:22,067 --> 00:34:24,867
Speaker 3: Good analysis from you, John, Thank you for calling in mate.

635
00:34:24,867 --> 00:34:28,387
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time very much. Ricardo and l please

636
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Speaker 3: all've got to get a breakaway back with more after

637
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Speaker 3: the sixteen to one?

638
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Speaker 1: Would you be the TMO? Have your say on eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty and eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Thyme

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 5: I poured all their pegs time Lawrence, Lawrence the Powerful

643
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Speaker 5: Perry get.

644
00:34:50,147 --> 00:34:54,507
Speaker 3: Lawrence England's first try, which began their comeback. Ricardo, thanks

645
00:34:54,547 --> 00:34:55,227
Speaker 3: for holding good.

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Speaker 17: Afternoon, gooday, Jason?

647
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Speaker 18: Can you hear me? Okay?

648
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Speaker 3: I can gotcha?

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Speaker 18: Fine, mate, fantastic mate. How do I get That hour

650
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Speaker 18: and twenty minutes that I lost back into my life?

651
00:35:06,467 --> 00:35:08,707
Speaker 18: Was an absolutely shock of mate, you know I got.

652
00:35:08,787 --> 00:35:11,667
Speaker 18: I got so excited, you know, three thirty builder, you know,

653
00:35:11,867 --> 00:35:13,507
Speaker 18: and then what's the kickoff and things like that. We

654
00:35:13,547 --> 00:35:15,987
Speaker 18: had an amazing start, momentum was on outside and then

655
00:35:16,747 --> 00:35:18,427
Speaker 18: I think there's two job goals that they got just

656
00:35:18,467 --> 00:35:21,627
Speaker 18: before the half definitely swung the momentum over to England.

657
00:35:22,467 --> 00:35:27,467
Speaker 18: I honestly felt there was no cohesiveness. We had no

658
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:30,747
Speaker 18: counter for the pressure defense or the rush defense that

659
00:35:30,867 --> 00:35:35,227
Speaker 18: they put on us. I just felt like, yeah, like

660
00:35:35,267 --> 00:35:37,907
Speaker 18: you mentioned, it was just a bunch of individuals. They

661
00:35:37,947 --> 00:35:40,587
Speaker 18: were just hoping someone would would would flip the coin

662
00:35:40,627 --> 00:35:44,227
Speaker 18: and and and and you know, make something out of nothing.

663
00:35:44,907 --> 00:35:48,787
Speaker 18: I had no, absolutely zero confidence in our ball security.

664
00:35:49,187 --> 00:35:51,747
Speaker 18: I just felt like, Okay, they're going to drop it somewhere.

665
00:35:51,787 --> 00:35:53,827
Speaker 18: They're going to lose the ball somewhere because of the

666
00:35:53,827 --> 00:35:56,187
Speaker 18: way they played. I just I just felt like this

667
00:35:56,307 --> 00:35:58,747
Speaker 18: wasn't an All Black team. They had pried in that

668
00:35:59,027 --> 00:36:03,667
Speaker 18: jersey I have. You know, I used to be a

669
00:36:04,267 --> 00:36:07,307
Speaker 18: I used to be an anti sort of Foster and

670
00:36:07,347 --> 00:36:09,787
Speaker 18: the way he was criticized in things like that. But look,

671
00:36:10,027 --> 00:36:12,627
Speaker 18: that's the difference between this current coach now. Because it

672
00:36:12,827 --> 00:36:15,227
Speaker 18: was tou Foster, the dagger would have been already in

673
00:36:15,307 --> 00:36:17,467
Speaker 18: and he would have been gone. So I don't know,

674
00:36:17,587 --> 00:36:19,427
Speaker 18: I don't know. I just felt I just feel like

675
00:36:19,587 --> 00:36:22,267
Speaker 18: Scott Robinson doesn't have a clue in terms of what's

676
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:25,707
Speaker 18: going on in terms of the team structure. Ah, Mate,

677
00:36:26,307 --> 00:36:28,067
Speaker 18: I just can't believe I'm watching the All Blacks. Mate.

678
00:36:28,067 --> 00:36:32,067
Speaker 18: I've seen better back line play angle, you know, angle

679
00:36:32,147 --> 00:36:34,667
Speaker 18: running from the backs ex churcher in club rugby. I

680
00:36:34,747 --> 00:36:36,467
Speaker 18: just felt like, mate, this is the pinnacle of our

681
00:36:36,587 --> 00:36:39,227
Speaker 18: sport and the way they're playing. It's just this is

682
00:36:39,227 --> 00:36:42,587
Speaker 18: a shocker. Yeah, soo many loose sportes, too many turnovers

683
00:36:43,427 --> 00:36:46,827
Speaker 18: and just just just the just just their parade and

684
00:36:46,827 --> 00:36:48,867
Speaker 18: their jersey. Just saw the heads drop just you know

685
00:36:48,907 --> 00:36:51,307
Speaker 18: when they when they when they hit the lead. Give

686
00:36:51,387 --> 00:36:54,427
Speaker 18: us no indication that you know, the or Blacks were

687
00:36:54,427 --> 00:36:56,867
Speaker 18: going to come back from this. I just I don't know.

688
00:36:56,947 --> 00:36:58,747
Speaker 18: I just felt so Tit and the Kenzie could have gone,

689
00:36:58,827 --> 00:37:01,347
Speaker 18: could have started their second half coming on in what

690
00:37:01,547 --> 00:37:04,227
Speaker 18: twenty twenty twenty minutes to go and expect them to

691
00:37:04,227 --> 00:37:07,627
Speaker 18: perform miracles. Mate, know, that's a shock. So that's why

692
00:37:07,667 --> 00:37:10,667
Speaker 18: I stand. I just felt it was very, very disappointing.

693
00:37:11,147 --> 00:37:14,427
Speaker 18: And look, it wasn't like a six point seven point loss.

694
00:37:14,547 --> 00:37:17,027
Speaker 18: It was an absolute, you know, a fourteen fifteen point

695
00:37:18,027 --> 00:37:21,467
Speaker 18: and that's that's unlikely. That looks like watching Uruguay loose

696
00:37:21,467 --> 00:37:23,787
Speaker 18: to English.

697
00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:27,747
Speaker 3: Good good summary, Very good summary, Ricardo. The thing that

698
00:37:27,787 --> 00:37:29,987
Speaker 3: resonates most of me on what you said, just flick

699
00:37:29,987 --> 00:37:31,587
Speaker 3: that radio down in the background they mate so we

700
00:37:31,627 --> 00:37:35,187
Speaker 3: can have a decent conversation is yeah, must better. The

701
00:37:35,227 --> 00:37:36,987
Speaker 3: thing that resonated with what you said there was the

702
00:37:37,307 --> 00:37:39,107
Speaker 3: attack bit, and I've picked up on it before, and

703
00:37:39,147 --> 00:37:41,907
Speaker 3: it just you're right, it doesn't feel as though there's

704
00:37:42,027 --> 00:37:45,387
Speaker 3: cohesion when we have ball in hand. It's just a

705
00:37:45,427 --> 00:37:48,307
Speaker 3: series of one off runners trying to get past a

706
00:37:48,347 --> 00:37:50,867
Speaker 3: defense that knows that they get up quickly. In our faces.

707
00:37:51,267 --> 00:37:54,707
Speaker 3: There's very little to worry about because we don't you know,

708
00:37:54,827 --> 00:37:57,307
Speaker 3: it looks like we've got guys running from deep. But

709
00:37:59,147 --> 00:38:01,627
Speaker 3: all Black sides of the past used to used to

710
00:38:02,267 --> 00:38:06,747
Speaker 3: be creative and and you know, unpredict the ball in

711
00:38:06,787 --> 00:38:09,267
Speaker 3: the way that we set up our back line moves

712
00:38:09,347 --> 00:38:11,347
Speaker 3: that seems to have vanished.

713
00:38:13,747 --> 00:38:16,107
Speaker 18: And you look, we used to be. We used to be.

714
00:38:16,227 --> 00:38:18,107
Speaker 18: You know, we used to set the standard, you know,

715
00:38:18,147 --> 00:38:20,347
Speaker 18: in terms of how we used to run the back

716
00:38:20,347 --> 00:38:22,547
Speaker 18: line and the plays and the angles that the wingers

717
00:38:22,627 --> 00:38:24,827
Speaker 18: used to come through. We used to run deep. You

718
00:38:24,907 --> 00:38:26,747
Speaker 18: know a lot of our plays were running deep. But

719
00:38:26,827 --> 00:38:29,707
Speaker 18: now we just flat footed. It's just so obvious. You're

720
00:38:29,747 --> 00:38:32,627
Speaker 18: just watching them. It's just going sideways. No one straightening

721
00:38:32,707 --> 00:38:34,427
Speaker 18: up the back line. You know, we need it.

722
00:38:34,547 --> 00:38:35,027
Speaker 4: We need a.

723
00:38:35,027 --> 00:38:38,347
Speaker 18: Strong, robust, sick and five that can really straighten that

724
00:38:38,427 --> 00:38:40,907
Speaker 18: back line, like the namies of this sort of world

725
00:38:41,067 --> 00:38:44,427
Speaker 18: that we're sort of missing. The Craig Innoces. You know,

726
00:38:44,467 --> 00:38:47,507
Speaker 18: this is going back a while, and then I don't know,

727
00:38:47,547 --> 00:38:49,587
Speaker 18: it just felt like it was just passing sideways and

728
00:38:49,707 --> 00:38:52,827
Speaker 18: there was just no one taking ownership in the back line.

729
00:38:52,907 --> 00:38:54,907
Speaker 18: And I've got to admit, now, there's a few you know,

730
00:38:55,427 --> 00:38:57,267
Speaker 18: leaders in there in the in the in that in

731
00:38:57,307 --> 00:38:59,867
Speaker 18: that forward pack, that that that sort of meant aol

732
00:38:59,907 --> 00:39:03,387
Speaker 18: as well. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know, to be honest,

733
00:39:03,387 --> 00:39:05,387
Speaker 18: I just felt like there was no there's no leadership,

734
00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:08,667
Speaker 18: leadership across you know, back back in the front. Yeah,

735
00:39:08,747 --> 00:39:10,987
Speaker 18: it was just I don't know, it was mate. It

736
00:39:11,027 --> 00:39:13,787
Speaker 18: was frustrating, you know, trust me, it was frustrating.

737
00:39:13,827 --> 00:39:15,867
Speaker 3: Oh look, I trust you. Can I believe you, Ricardo,

738
00:39:15,947 --> 00:39:18,667
Speaker 3: I can tell I can't tell my friend. I'm glad

739
00:39:18,707 --> 00:39:20,507
Speaker 3: I've given you the platform to get some of it

740
00:39:20,547 --> 00:39:22,627
Speaker 3: off your chest. Mate. I hope you can go about

741
00:39:22,667 --> 00:39:24,467
Speaker 3: your day now. Good to cheat, mate, thanks for calling.

742
00:39:24,467 --> 00:39:26,907
Speaker 3: In Hell, you'll have our lass say this our what's

743
00:39:26,907 --> 00:39:27,467
Speaker 3: on your mind?

744
00:39:28,707 --> 00:39:30,947
Speaker 19: Well, madam, I've got a lost of ten things, but

745
00:39:30,987 --> 00:39:33,467
Speaker 19: I can't go through ten, so I start from the

746
00:39:33,747 --> 00:39:36,987
Speaker 19: top one and that was the leadership role by Scott

747
00:39:37,027 --> 00:39:39,787
Speaker 19: Barrett and one of the one of the things that

748
00:39:39,827 --> 00:39:43,707
Speaker 19: your listeners will remember was Richard Headley and the cricket

749
00:39:43,747 --> 00:39:48,147
Speaker 19: team probably arguably the best all round her in the game.

750
00:39:49,107 --> 00:39:51,707
Speaker 19: Once he was made captain of the Nzenant crocket team

751
00:39:51,827 --> 00:39:54,067
Speaker 19: has gained completely fell to pieces.

752
00:39:54,467 --> 00:39:55,067
Speaker 4: Do you remember that?

753
00:39:55,627 --> 00:39:58,267
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't remember Sir Richard. Yeah, I

754
00:39:58,267 --> 00:40:01,587
Speaker 3: don't remember him ever being captain. I thought Jess Allens

755
00:40:01,667 --> 00:40:03,907
Speaker 3: was pretty much the captain Hill. It was obviously very

756
00:40:03,947 --> 00:40:06,907
Speaker 3: short lived out and probably right because you know, Sir

757
00:40:06,987 --> 00:40:10,107
Speaker 3: Richard Hadley, you know, just concentrate on being the best

758
00:40:10,107 --> 00:40:12,307
Speaker 3: bowler you possibly can be. Is that kind of what

759
00:40:12,347 --> 00:40:13,027
Speaker 3: you're alluding to.

760
00:40:14,147 --> 00:40:19,027
Speaker 19: That's exactly what I'm saying. And your lady caller that

761
00:40:19,107 --> 00:40:21,747
Speaker 19: came up earlier on now on the head nothing wrong

762
00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:23,947
Speaker 19: with Scott. He doesn't want to be kept and he

763
00:40:23,947 --> 00:40:26,227
Speaker 19: said he didn't want to be keptain. They're making him

764
00:40:26,307 --> 00:40:29,267
Speaker 19: kept him. Well, you've got to sort that out.

765
00:40:29,827 --> 00:40:32,067
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I know you've got lots of other things.

766
00:40:32,387 --> 00:40:34,467
Speaker 3: Can I get you We've got to get to the news.

767
00:40:34,507 --> 00:40:36,027
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and get your back on after

768
00:40:36,067 --> 00:40:37,627
Speaker 3: one o'clock, mate, because if you've got a list of

769
00:40:37,667 --> 00:40:39,547
Speaker 3: ten things I want to hear more than just the

770
00:40:39,547 --> 00:40:41,187
Speaker 3: first one seven to one, US talks dB.

771
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Speaker 1: The Goo from the trag Field and the Court on

772
00:40:45,587 --> 00:40:49,067
Speaker 1: your Home of Thought weekends for It with Jason Vine

773
00:40:49,267 --> 00:40:49,987
Speaker 1: US talks B.

774
00:40:50,627 --> 00:40:52,627
Speaker 3: Four to one after our news at one, they're going

775
00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:55,027
Speaker 3: to get an English viewpoint. Chris Jones, who called the

776
00:40:55,067 --> 00:40:58,267
Speaker 3: game for BBC five Live, going to join us. What

777
00:40:58,387 --> 00:41:01,387
Speaker 3: impressed him the most and how does he assess where

778
00:41:01,507 --> 00:41:04,107
Speaker 3: both England and the All Blacks are. He was down

779
00:41:04,107 --> 00:41:07,067
Speaker 3: here last year for the first two tests of Scott

780
00:41:07,107 --> 00:41:10,387
Speaker 3: Robertson's tenure as All Blacks coach and has had the

781
00:41:10,387 --> 00:41:13,067
Speaker 3: opportunity to watch them in England twice now, so what's

782
00:41:13,067 --> 00:41:16,347
Speaker 3: his view. Many more of your calls as well to

783
00:41:16,427 --> 00:41:18,907
Speaker 3: come and your text messages just at a text through here.

784
00:41:19,067 --> 00:41:22,147
Speaker 3: Don't forget that the Silver Ferns won. Yep picked up

785
00:41:22,187 --> 00:41:26,147
Speaker 3: on that way to go Silver Ferns.

786
00:41:25,947 --> 00:41:28,867
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

787
00:41:28,947 --> 00:41:32,667
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on week James Ford

788
00:41:32,747 --> 00:41:36,867
Speaker 1: with Jason Vaide on Your Home of Sport on What We.

789
00:41:36,987 --> 00:41:41,387
Speaker 3: New York one seven on weekend. Sport lines will remain

790
00:41:41,467 --> 00:41:43,627
Speaker 3: open to talk right B for the next hour or so.

791
00:41:44,267 --> 00:41:46,627
Speaker 3: James mcconey is in there of course too. Around one

792
00:41:46,747 --> 00:41:49,747
Speaker 3: forty five ish there's regular Sunday slot, going to get

793
00:41:49,747 --> 00:41:53,507
Speaker 3: an English viewpoint on this game. Shortly Live Sport this

794
00:41:53,587 --> 00:41:57,347
Speaker 3: afternoon the All Whites up against Columbia. That game kicks

795
00:41:57,427 --> 00:42:00,467
Speaker 3: off in around twenty minutes from now, so we will

796
00:42:00,627 --> 00:42:02,787
Speaker 3: keep eyes on that for you. And at two o'clock

797
00:42:02,827 --> 00:42:05,907
Speaker 3: this afternoon, first ball at Hagley Oval in the first

798
00:42:05,947 --> 00:42:08,907
Speaker 3: of three One Day internationals between New Zealand and the

799
00:42:08,947 --> 00:42:11,787
Speaker 3: West End is the T twenties are done, all done.

800
00:42:12,267 --> 00:42:15,467
Speaker 3: A three match one day International series to begin today.

801
00:42:15,507 --> 00:42:17,707
Speaker 3: By the sounds of it, it's a bit nicer in

802
00:42:17,787 --> 00:42:22,827
Speaker 3: christ Huch today than yesterday. I saw some footage of

803
00:42:23,947 --> 00:42:29,467
Speaker 3: the races and it was awful, just appalling hail and

804
00:42:29,827 --> 00:42:33,947
Speaker 3: wind and rain and clement stuff everywhere. Apparently it's nice

805
00:42:33,947 --> 00:42:35,747
Speaker 3: in christ Huch today, which is good news for the

806
00:42:35,747 --> 00:42:38,147
Speaker 3: cricket So we'll keep eyes on that for you when

807
00:42:38,147 --> 00:42:41,507
Speaker 3: that gets underway at two and the football at one

808
00:42:41,467 --> 00:42:45,707
Speaker 3: point thirty eight hundred and eighty ten eighty As always

809
00:42:45,747 --> 00:42:48,907
Speaker 3: as our phone number to talk Rugby nine two ninety

810
00:42:48,907 --> 00:42:51,227
Speaker 3: two if you would prefer to send us a text

811
00:42:51,547 --> 00:42:52,027
Speaker 3: card for.

812
00:42:51,987 --> 00:42:56,187
Speaker 5: The drop goal, Ford gets it over a second roller

813
00:42:56,627 --> 00:42:59,747
Speaker 5: back for for another drup kick, another drop.

814
00:42:59,627 --> 00:43:04,227
Speaker 3: Check back to back drop goals from George Ford at

815
00:43:04,227 --> 00:43:07,067
Speaker 3: the back end of the first half, bringing them back

816
00:43:07,147 --> 00:43:10,947
Speaker 3: into the game, getting them close enough to strike after halftime.

817
00:43:11,107 --> 00:43:14,067
Speaker 3: Let's get an English viewpoint on this occasion. It's a

818
00:43:14,067 --> 00:43:16,987
Speaker 3: great pleasure to welcome and Chris Jones from the BBC

819
00:43:17,107 --> 00:43:19,467
Speaker 3: who called the game for BBC five Live. Chris, thanks

820
00:43:19,507 --> 00:43:21,667
Speaker 3: for taking air call and for joining us across New Zealand.

821
00:43:21,707 --> 00:43:26,427
Speaker 3: What impreached you the most about England's performance at Twickenham today.

822
00:43:27,267 --> 00:43:29,307
Speaker 20: Yeah, I Jason, good to speak to you from the

823
00:43:29,347 --> 00:43:31,507
Speaker 20: streets of twicken Them with the crowds are just dispersing

824
00:43:31,507 --> 00:43:34,267
Speaker 20: after a pretty famous day for this England side. I

825
00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:38,187
Speaker 20: think that the bit that will stick around is just

826
00:43:38,227 --> 00:43:40,107
Speaker 20: the way they were able to, you.

827
00:43:40,067 --> 00:43:41,347
Speaker 15: Know, keep coming back.

828
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Speaker 20: They started the game well England, then the All Blacks

829
00:43:44,307 --> 00:43:47,027
Speaker 20: had that little purple patch at twelve nil you thought,

830
00:43:47,067 --> 00:43:49,107
Speaker 20: oh this is going to be another story of kind

831
00:43:49,147 --> 00:43:52,707
Speaker 20: of All Black ruthlessness and English wastefulness. But the way

832
00:43:52,507 --> 00:43:55,947
Speaker 20: they went in at twelve eleven and then just just

833
00:43:55,987 --> 00:43:59,347
Speaker 20: predominant after halftime was a real sign of how this

834
00:43:59,427 --> 00:44:01,787
Speaker 20: team is coming on under Steve Borthwick. George Ford, who

835
00:44:02,187 --> 00:44:03,787
Speaker 20: had a few chances to win the game this time

836
00:44:03,867 --> 00:44:07,747
Speaker 20: last year, was fantastic. The bench didn't even have to

837
00:44:07,787 --> 00:44:10,547
Speaker 20: make the impact they were slated to because England had

838
00:44:10,547 --> 00:44:12,867
Speaker 20: that healthy lead. So big one for England this they

839
00:44:12,947 --> 00:44:16,067
Speaker 20: needed to take a major scalp and they've done it

840
00:44:16,147 --> 00:44:18,467
Speaker 20: and they roll on England.

841
00:44:18,467 --> 00:44:21,227
Speaker 3: Waite, as you say, from twelve nil down to twenty

842
00:44:21,307 --> 00:44:24,507
Speaker 3: five twelve a hid between minutes twenty five and fifty five.

843
00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:28,907
Speaker 3: What did you specifically see change in that period compared

844
00:44:28,947 --> 00:44:30,547
Speaker 3: to the first twenty five minutes of the match.

845
00:44:31,227 --> 00:44:34,467
Speaker 20: Yes, I think England actually did have a good first ten,

846
00:44:34,547 --> 00:44:37,347
Speaker 20: didn't they. They had that opportunity where Sam under Hill

847
00:44:37,347 --> 00:44:38,427
Speaker 20: couldn't quite get it away.

848
00:44:39,547 --> 00:44:41,867
Speaker 15: They'd a hold up over the line Alex Couls.

849
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Speaker 20: They were creating and looking pretty lively with the ball

850
00:44:45,267 --> 00:44:45,627
Speaker 20: in hand.

851
00:44:45,667 --> 00:44:47,107
Speaker 15: I think against it seemed.

852
00:44:46,747 --> 00:44:50,387
Speaker 20: Like New Zealand, even though you know you guys will

853
00:44:50,427 --> 00:44:52,387
Speaker 20: tell me about how frustrating it probably is following the

854
00:44:52,387 --> 00:44:54,507
Speaker 20: All Blacks at the moment, because it's kind of a

855
00:44:54,547 --> 00:44:56,427
Speaker 20: few steps forward and one step back, because every time

856
00:44:56,467 --> 00:44:58,827
Speaker 20: it looks like they're getting some rhythm. They put in

857
00:44:59,027 --> 00:45:02,267
Speaker 20: an inconsistent performance, but they're always going to have their patches.

858
00:45:02,307 --> 00:45:04,387
Speaker 20: And you know that ten minutes where they scored those

859
00:45:04,427 --> 00:45:07,107
Speaker 20: two tries, they did look like a all Black team

860
00:45:07,107 --> 00:45:09,587
Speaker 20: of old. But as we know from Chicago, as we

861
00:45:09,627 --> 00:45:12,467
Speaker 20: know from Edinburgh, as we know from Wellington against the Box,

862
00:45:12,987 --> 00:45:17,387
Speaker 20: as we know from Argentina, away, this all black team

863
00:45:17,387 --> 00:45:18,627
Speaker 20: of honorable and there could.

864
00:45:18,427 --> 00:45:20,707
Speaker 15: Be periods where you can get on top of them.

865
00:45:20,747 --> 00:45:22,987
Speaker 20: And I think England had that face that that would

866
00:45:22,987 --> 00:45:25,907
Speaker 20: come and just the way they were able to keep

867
00:45:25,947 --> 00:45:29,067
Speaker 20: their composure at twelve twelve neel down shows that the

868
00:45:29,107 --> 00:45:32,187
Speaker 20: side is really developing, not just sort of physically and tactically,

869
00:45:32,227 --> 00:45:35,787
Speaker 20: but mentally as well. And yeah, I think there's two

870
00:45:35,867 --> 00:45:39,427
Speaker 20: drop goals with George Ford, all of his experience come

871
00:45:39,427 --> 00:45:42,587
Speaker 20: into the foe there and they just managed to go

872
00:45:42,627 --> 00:45:44,347
Speaker 20: into halftime with some momentum.

873
00:45:44,747 --> 00:45:46,747
Speaker 15: And that've been really frustrating for Scott.

874
00:45:46,507 --> 00:45:49,587
Speaker 20: Robertson because a twelve mel it looked like the All

875
00:45:49,627 --> 00:45:52,867
Speaker 20: Blacks could have put the game away and ultimately that

876
00:45:52,907 --> 00:45:55,507
Speaker 20: in the end they were well beaten because England, if

877
00:45:55,547 --> 00:45:57,347
Speaker 20: you look at the game apart from that period what

878
00:45:57,467 --> 00:46:00,547
Speaker 20: ten ten to twenty five. The rest of it was

879
00:46:00,707 --> 00:46:03,307
Speaker 20: pretty much mainly dominated by England.

880
00:46:03,467 --> 00:46:06,107
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. You mentioned them there with his drop goals,

881
00:46:06,107 --> 00:46:10,027
Speaker 3: But how intigral was George Ford to this victory across

882
00:46:10,067 --> 00:46:11,107
Speaker 3: the entire matche.

883
00:46:11,747 --> 00:46:14,587
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's really interesting. We look up the makeup of

884
00:46:14,667 --> 00:46:17,107
Speaker 20: the England back line. There's a lot of good talented players,

885
00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:19,987
Speaker 20: but many favor Bosa has not gone many caps as

886
00:46:20,947 --> 00:46:24,587
Speaker 20: not as Tom Roebuck. Freddy Stewart's a bit more experienced,

887
00:46:24,587 --> 00:46:26,467
Speaker 20: as is Marcus Smith when he came on, but Fraser

888
00:46:26,507 --> 00:46:29,187
Speaker 20: Dinghals at the start of his international journey.

889
00:46:29,187 --> 00:46:30,387
Speaker 15: Only Lauren's been around for a bit.

890
00:46:30,427 --> 00:46:32,507
Speaker 20: But there aren't you know, there aren't Henry Slades and

891
00:46:32,547 --> 00:46:36,547
Speaker 20: Manitor Langey's and Owen Farrell's, Johnny May's and Nancy Watson's.

892
00:46:36,027 --> 00:46:38,787
Speaker 15: And players with fifty sixty seventy caps in there.

893
00:46:38,867 --> 00:46:43,387
Speaker 20: So having someone like Ford's who's able to just get

894
00:46:42,827 --> 00:46:46,187
Speaker 20: that that pulse of a game really well, you know,

895
00:46:46,307 --> 00:46:49,307
Speaker 20: he's He's done that his whole career. He's able to,

896
00:46:50,027 --> 00:46:52,427
Speaker 20: i think, manipulate the scoreboard more than ever. We saw

897
00:46:52,467 --> 00:46:54,547
Speaker 20: in Marseille at the World Cup a couple of years ago.

898
00:46:54,587 --> 00:46:57,627
Speaker 20: When England were under the pump against Argentina a man down,

899
00:46:57,667 --> 00:46:59,587
Speaker 20: his drop goals changed the whole course of the game.

900
00:46:59,627 --> 00:47:02,707
Speaker 20: And you know, I sit in commentary on BBC Radio

901
00:47:02,747 --> 00:47:05,587
Speaker 20: with guys like Paul Grayson and Matt Dawson who came

902
00:47:05,627 --> 00:47:07,387
Speaker 20: from an era of Blish rugby. But they used to

903
00:47:07,387 --> 00:47:09,787
Speaker 20: just kill teams with drop goals and they've gone out

904
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:12,587
Speaker 20: the game so much then they come back at World Cups,

905
00:47:12,587 --> 00:47:14,587
Speaker 20: have a bit of researchers, then go out again and

906
00:47:14,627 --> 00:47:16,667
Speaker 20: teams always kick for the corner or they try and

907
00:47:16,747 --> 00:47:18,907
Speaker 20: go through the phases. But what a weapon it is

908
00:47:18,947 --> 00:47:22,827
Speaker 20: if you can just hit teams with threes when they

909
00:47:22,827 --> 00:47:24,947
Speaker 20: haven't done too much wrong. I think that's what will

910
00:47:26,307 --> 00:47:30,067
Speaker 20: or Scott Robertson might feel tonight. Is actually when twelve

911
00:47:30,107 --> 00:47:31,987
Speaker 20: mili up there, there wasn't a huge amount New Zealand

912
00:47:31,987 --> 00:47:34,707
Speaker 20: did wrong, but the way England were able to hit

913
00:47:34,747 --> 00:47:36,227
Speaker 20: them with those two blows to go in twelve to

914
00:47:36,227 --> 00:47:39,707
Speaker 20: eleven and then just just just dominate after halftime or

915
00:47:39,787 --> 00:47:40,907
Speaker 20: contributed to the English win.

916
00:47:41,427 --> 00:47:43,987
Speaker 3: Where do you think England are at two years out

917
00:47:43,987 --> 00:47:45,027
Speaker 3: from the next World Cup?

918
00:47:45,947 --> 00:47:46,867
Speaker 15: Good place for sure.

919
00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:48,907
Speaker 20: I mean I would say there are still areas they

920
00:47:48,907 --> 00:47:51,707
Speaker 20: can improve and that was Steve Worthwick's message tonight.

921
00:47:51,747 --> 00:47:53,827
Speaker 15: He was far from well. He was satisfied.

922
00:47:53,867 --> 00:47:56,027
Speaker 20: He was dead shaff, don't get me wrong, But he

923
00:47:56,067 --> 00:47:58,427
Speaker 20: wasn't saying we're the finished article. He knows that that

924
00:47:58,467 --> 00:48:01,587
Speaker 20: the England team is still a bit off. They they

925
00:48:01,627 --> 00:48:03,507
Speaker 20: got picked apart at line out time. There may be

926
00:48:04,187 --> 00:48:08,547
Speaker 20: a heavy duty ball carrier or two down, one or

927
00:48:08,587 --> 00:48:11,307
Speaker 20: two other areas where if you were being really ruthless,

928
00:48:11,347 --> 00:48:12,667
Speaker 20: you would say, oh, they could do with an extra

929
00:48:12,747 --> 00:48:16,107
Speaker 20: body there, or an extra a certain type of player here.

930
00:48:16,267 --> 00:48:19,547
Speaker 20: But on the whole, if you'd said to an England fan,

931
00:48:19,667 --> 00:48:23,467
Speaker 20: an England player, after what happened in Dublin, they were

932
00:48:23,587 --> 00:48:27,187
Speaker 20: they started the Six Nations, were really chasening defeat away

933
00:48:27,227 --> 00:48:30,627
Speaker 20: in Ireland second half, blown away and you thought, oh,

934
00:48:31,027 --> 00:48:34,547
Speaker 20: France next, Scotland next, Where do England go from here?

935
00:48:34,587 --> 00:48:37,227
Speaker 20: Well they've won the ten since then, which is massive

936
00:48:37,227 --> 00:48:39,827
Speaker 20: testaments to the group, massive testaments as Steve Borthwick and

937
00:48:39,907 --> 00:48:40,747
Speaker 20: his coaching team.

938
00:48:41,187 --> 00:48:43,187
Speaker 15: He's made a few changes to his backgroom.

939
00:48:43,227 --> 00:48:45,627
Speaker 20: I know that's a big thing in all Blacks the

940
00:48:45,667 --> 00:48:47,747
Speaker 20: moment because there's been a bit of a revolving door

941
00:48:47,787 --> 00:48:49,067
Speaker 20: around the Robinson regime.

942
00:48:49,227 --> 00:48:50,587
Speaker 15: It's been similar with Borthwick.

943
00:48:50,787 --> 00:48:54,347
Speaker 20: People have come, they've been coming and going, but he's

944
00:48:54,347 --> 00:48:56,587
Speaker 20: now got a pretty settle coaching team that looks in

945
00:48:56,667 --> 00:48:58,867
Speaker 20: for the long haul and I think you're seeing that

946
00:48:58,907 --> 00:49:00,627
Speaker 20: with with with England's play.

947
00:49:00,787 --> 00:49:02,227
Speaker 15: Look, there's still nowhere near the box.

948
00:49:02,267 --> 00:49:05,347
Speaker 20: I don't think many teams are England would be up

949
00:49:05,387 --> 00:49:08,347
Speaker 20: there as favorites the Six Nations, but no guarantee at all.

950
00:49:08,387 --> 00:49:10,387
Speaker 20: They've got to go to Paris, which is a really

951
00:49:10,387 --> 00:49:12,707
Speaker 20: tough place to go. So yeah, I don't think any

952
00:49:12,707 --> 00:49:15,147
Speaker 20: England fans leaving and thinking this is this is suddenly

953
00:49:15,347 --> 00:49:17,147
Speaker 20: you know, work up here, here we come. I think

954
00:49:17,147 --> 00:49:18,787
Speaker 20: there's still a bit of a way to go. But

955
00:49:19,147 --> 00:49:21,587
Speaker 20: for England to be ten wins in a row, given

956
00:49:21,627 --> 00:49:23,987
Speaker 20: where they've been over the last few years, a brilliant effort.

957
00:49:24,427 --> 00:49:26,587
Speaker 3: And for New Zealand. You were here last year at

958
00:49:26,587 --> 00:49:29,147
Speaker 3: the start of Scott Robertson tenure, you watch them again

959
00:49:29,187 --> 00:49:32,067
Speaker 3: at the end of last year again today. How do

960
00:49:32,107 --> 00:49:34,147
Speaker 3: you assist where the All Blacks are at the midway

961
00:49:34,147 --> 00:49:35,427
Speaker 3: point last World Cup cycle.

962
00:49:36,027 --> 00:49:38,907
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's hard that they're not in a place they'd

963
00:49:38,907 --> 00:49:41,347
Speaker 15: want to be weirdly.

964
00:49:41,387 --> 00:49:44,107
Speaker 20: I just I just still still not sure what type

965
00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:45,707
Speaker 20: of team they are. I think they play a load

966
00:49:45,747 --> 00:49:48,627
Speaker 20: of rugby and a weird part of the pitch. They

967
00:49:48,707 --> 00:49:50,827
Speaker 20: reminded me a bit of what the Wallabies were trying

968
00:49:50,827 --> 00:49:52,147
Speaker 20: to do a couple of years ago, a couple of

969
00:49:52,187 --> 00:49:54,867
Speaker 20: weeks ago at Twickenham, kind of feeding the English defense

970
00:49:54,907 --> 00:49:57,187
Speaker 20: by playing a lot of faced rugby around the halfway line.

971
00:49:57,387 --> 00:49:59,627
Speaker 15: They don't seem to have that real connection in their face.

972
00:49:59,667 --> 00:50:01,627
Speaker 20: Played the great All Blacks team out of the past,

973
00:50:01,627 --> 00:50:04,307
Speaker 20: where you'd have looked tip ons from Brodier metallic and

974
00:50:04,307 --> 00:50:07,787
Speaker 20: players really hitting the line at speed. There's an issue

975
00:50:07,787 --> 00:50:09,747
Speaker 20: at ten is that there Boden had an off day,

976
00:50:10,147 --> 00:50:11,867
Speaker 20: maybe more soon to fall back.

977
00:50:11,867 --> 00:50:13,427
Speaker 15: His line kicking was all over the place.

978
00:50:13,907 --> 00:50:16,667
Speaker 20: Damian McKenzie is a is a world beater, but how

979
00:50:16,707 --> 00:50:20,427
Speaker 20: does he how is he deployed? Are they just killing

980
00:50:20,427 --> 00:50:23,227
Speaker 20: time waiting for Richie Muwanga. You would really hope by

981
00:50:23,267 --> 00:50:25,587
Speaker 20: now there had been a younger ten coming through to

982
00:50:25,627 --> 00:50:28,147
Speaker 20: put pressure on Boden, to put pressure on McKenzie, to

983
00:50:28,187 --> 00:50:31,347
Speaker 20: put pressure on Wanger because Muwanga can't just go away

984
00:50:31,347 --> 00:50:32,827
Speaker 20: to Japan for a few years. And then just walk

985
00:50:32,867 --> 00:50:35,347
Speaker 20: back into the shirt. But that's what's looking quite likely.

986
00:50:35,827 --> 00:50:38,267
Speaker 20: So a confusing team because at times they play rugby

987
00:50:38,267 --> 00:50:42,227
Speaker 20: from the gods, but in tiny little patches. Yeah, and

988
00:50:42,267 --> 00:50:46,187
Speaker 20: on the whole it's hard to see major progression in

989
00:50:46,227 --> 00:50:49,467
Speaker 20: the in the sort of the twenty six test matches

990
00:50:49,827 --> 00:50:52,547
Speaker 20: Robertson's had. I think that it was a very good

991
00:50:52,587 --> 00:50:54,987
Speaker 20: series win against England in hindsight, given that had no

992
00:50:55,067 --> 00:50:57,747
Speaker 20: time together, but twenty six tests down the track, you

993
00:50:57,787 --> 00:51:00,627
Speaker 20: may have wanted a bit more development. But having said that,

994
00:51:00,667 --> 00:51:02,987
Speaker 20: this England team have only really started to hit their

995
00:51:02,987 --> 00:51:06,227
Speaker 20: straps under Steve Worswick about thirty thirty five.

996
00:51:06,507 --> 00:51:08,507
Speaker 15: Much matches into his regime.

997
00:51:08,587 --> 00:51:10,427
Speaker 20: So still a long way to go to the World

998
00:51:10,427 --> 00:51:13,907
Speaker 20: Cup twenty seven, and you still would never better against

999
00:51:13,947 --> 00:51:15,907
Speaker 20: New Zealand, being big consenters for that sornament.

1000
00:51:15,987 --> 00:51:18,387
Speaker 3: All right, we'll take some consolation from that great skitcher

1001
00:51:18,387 --> 00:51:20,787
Speaker 3: insite Chris, and joy the rest of your eving in

1002
00:51:20,827 --> 00:51:21,707
Speaker 3: Southwest London.

1003
00:51:21,707 --> 00:51:23,707
Speaker 15: Made good to see, good chat.

1004
00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:25,467
Speaker 3: Good on you mate, Thanks today Chris Jones, The wonderful

1005
00:51:25,547 --> 00:51:28,827
Speaker 3: Chris Jones joining us out of the BBC in London

1006
00:51:29,107 --> 00:51:32,907
Speaker 3: as he drifts away from Twickenham One p. Seventeen will

1007
00:51:32,947 --> 00:51:36,347
Speaker 3: take calls on the rugby until James Mcony time at

1008
00:51:36,347 --> 00:51:38,947
Speaker 3: around one forty five, so lines back open. We couldn't

1009
00:51:38,987 --> 00:51:41,387
Speaker 3: get anywhere near everybody on the air in the first

1010
00:51:41,387 --> 00:51:43,107
Speaker 3: hour of the show, so here's your chance. At eight

1011
00:51:43,227 --> 00:51:46,227
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty eighty Luke on text Gada party left

1012
00:51:46,227 --> 00:51:48,707
Speaker 3: to call, but I've got the kids. I think back

1013
00:51:48,747 --> 00:51:50,947
Speaker 3: to the end of twenty twenty one and twenty twenty

1014
00:51:50,947 --> 00:51:53,467
Speaker 3: two when Fozzy was on the hook and we all thought,

1015
00:51:53,547 --> 00:51:55,827
Speaker 3: what the hell is happening here? Where are we going?

1016
00:51:55,907 --> 00:51:58,667
Speaker 3: Then we make the World Cup Final? Please can raise

1017
00:51:58,667 --> 00:52:01,827
Speaker 3: the be foxing us all, says Luke. Also, hindsight being

1018
00:52:01,827 --> 00:52:04,067
Speaker 3: twenty twenty lester fighting and Lucas should have been kept

1019
00:52:04,107 --> 00:52:07,307
Speaker 3: at thirteen. He and Tupia are a key relationship going

1020
00:52:07,347 --> 00:52:10,507
Speaker 3: forward to twenty twenty seven and first to second and

1021
00:52:10,507 --> 00:52:13,707
Speaker 3: the half back stocks really is distant. Thanks Luke, appreciate it.

1022
00:52:13,747 --> 00:52:16,667
Speaker 3: Appreciate you taking the time to text and amongst your

1023
00:52:16,747 --> 00:52:19,867
Speaker 3: Sunday afternoon, our number is eight hundred and eighty ten

1024
00:52:20,067 --> 00:52:22,867
Speaker 3: eighty if you would like to give voice to your thoughts,

1025
00:52:23,067 --> 00:52:24,307
Speaker 3: as I say, you might not have been able to

1026
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:27,707
Speaker 3: get through before one o'clock. Here is your opportunity with

1027
00:52:27,707 --> 00:52:31,347
Speaker 3: a spare line there now. Will Jordan spoke to a

1028
00:52:31,387 --> 00:52:35,147
Speaker 3: couple of members of our end z Me team after

1029
00:52:35,187 --> 00:52:37,107
Speaker 3: the game. They asked him how he was feeling after

1030
00:52:37,147 --> 00:52:37,547
Speaker 3: the game.

1031
00:52:37,947 --> 00:52:40,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, disappointment came't of here with the cleague older time

1032
00:52:41,027 --> 00:52:44,467
Speaker 2: on a Grand Slam and gave ourselves a chance and

1033
00:52:44,827 --> 00:52:48,747
Speaker 2: just fell tonight. Felt we had chances to take control

1034
00:52:48,787 --> 00:52:51,827
Speaker 2: of that game and weren't quite able to. So speak

1035
00:52:51,827 --> 00:52:54,107
Speaker 2: to England for play one in front of their fans

1036
00:52:54,147 --> 00:52:55,347
Speaker 2: and yeah it's for us.

1037
00:52:55,467 --> 00:52:57,307
Speaker 21: A couple of moments and that first spell you mistouched

1038
00:52:57,347 --> 00:53:00,627
Speaker 21: from penalties, you know, little moments, but they stand out

1039
00:53:00,667 --> 00:53:01,547
Speaker 21: now is pretty big ones.

1040
00:53:02,227 --> 00:53:04,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean happens. I think my body had a

1041
00:53:04,467 --> 00:53:06,707
Speaker 2: bit of a bad cord, so he was battling through.

1042
00:53:06,787 --> 00:53:09,107
Speaker 2: So that's just where it goes sometimes. We certainly had

1043
00:53:09,107 --> 00:53:10,387
Speaker 2: a chance to give ourselves a bit of a lead

1044
00:53:10,387 --> 00:53:13,587
Speaker 2: in that first half, but despite the drop goals for

1045
00:53:13,587 --> 00:53:15,067
Speaker 2: a half time, we saw the lead tove living a

1046
00:53:15,107 --> 00:53:17,507
Speaker 2: half time and it was all there for us to take.

1047
00:53:17,627 --> 00:53:20,067
Speaker 2: So yeah, you lose momentum in games, and we did

1048
00:53:20,067 --> 00:53:21,307
Speaker 2: well to get it back at the inn. There but

1049
00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:25,267
Speaker 2: couldn't get a final. I just punched take us home nineteen.

1050
00:53:25,827 --> 00:53:28,507
Speaker 2: We're getting back into the game. Yeah, I felt, yeah,

1051
00:53:28,507 --> 00:53:30,507
Speaker 2: pretty boy'd running it bit to halfway at that point.

1052
00:53:30,827 --> 00:53:32,547
Speaker 2: They were obviously a man down as well, so we're

1053
00:53:32,547 --> 00:53:35,187
Speaker 2: playing against fourteen and I felt the game was just

1054
00:53:35,227 --> 00:53:36,867
Speaker 2: going back and forth. We've been able to get one

1055
00:53:36,867 --> 00:53:39,667
Speaker 2: more moment get down to their twenty two. Then you

1056
00:53:39,667 --> 00:53:41,267
Speaker 2: all of a sudden the pressure's back on them. So

1057
00:53:41,627 --> 00:53:43,227
Speaker 2: the game went back and forth. It's been a kicking

1058
00:53:43,347 --> 00:53:45,467
Speaker 2: game back and forth, and just lost a couple of

1059
00:53:45,467 --> 00:53:48,547
Speaker 2: battles there and then you had to overplay at the end.

1060
00:53:48,627 --> 00:53:50,867
Speaker 2: But yeah, for ten minutes SCO was here to take.

1061
00:53:50,867 --> 00:53:52,627
Speaker 21: How do you get the team back up as a

1062
00:53:52,627 --> 00:53:54,227
Speaker 21: collective for for Wales next week?

1063
00:53:54,667 --> 00:53:56,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you said an honest review. We were

1064
00:53:56,547 --> 00:53:59,107
Speaker 2: at like I think this year have played some great

1065
00:53:59,147 --> 00:54:01,787
Speaker 2: rugby and it's probably a little bit of a system.

1066
00:54:01,827 --> 00:54:03,267
Speaker 2: We were at around not being able to do it

1067
00:54:03,267 --> 00:54:05,507
Speaker 2: for eighty minutes. So thank you of an honest review.

1068
00:54:06,747 --> 00:54:09,587
Speaker 2: Some guys might be an opportunity next week, so exciting

1069
00:54:09,627 --> 00:54:11,707
Speaker 2: for them. But I'm putting on a black jersey again,

1070
00:54:11,827 --> 00:54:14,387
Speaker 2: so yeah, huge amount of something around that.

1071
00:54:14,747 --> 00:54:16,347
Speaker 22: I know it's not an easy question to answer if

1072
00:54:16,387 --> 00:54:18,067
Speaker 22: you talk about the game went back and forth in

1073
00:54:18,067 --> 00:54:20,907
Speaker 22: that final, I don't know, twelve minutes, when one score

1074
00:54:21,267 --> 00:54:24,427
Speaker 22: might put you in front. Why do you think you're

1075
00:54:24,467 --> 00:54:28,427
Speaker 22: not able to sort of put those compound successful moments

1076
00:54:28,467 --> 00:54:30,507
Speaker 22: together in those big, big periods.

1077
00:54:31,307 --> 00:54:32,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the last couple of weeks we've done

1078
00:54:32,827 --> 00:54:36,267
Speaker 2: that really well and Ilan in Scotland. So I don't

1079
00:54:36,307 --> 00:54:38,827
Speaker 2: necessarily think it's a pattern for us. I just thought tonight,

1080
00:54:39,827 --> 00:54:42,187
Speaker 2: yeah that maybe just a little bit more composed obviously

1081
00:54:42,387 --> 00:54:44,187
Speaker 2: cold control in their kicking game within nine and ten,

1082
00:54:45,507 --> 00:54:47,667
Speaker 2: and we just gave Way a few penalties and it

1083
00:54:47,667 --> 00:54:49,267
Speaker 2: can just be a couple of moments can hurt you.

1084
00:54:49,347 --> 00:54:53,587
Speaker 2: So I said, nearly think it's a trend. Just yeah,

1085
00:54:53,587 --> 00:54:55,187
Speaker 2: it's not. We're quite clinical enough for new.

1086
00:54:55,147 --> 00:54:59,107
Speaker 3: For those are the postmat's thoughts of Will Jordan one

1087
00:54:59,347 --> 00:55:02,027
Speaker 3: twenty text through here before we go back to the lines,

1088
00:55:02,027 --> 00:55:04,587
Speaker 3: what's with us? Where are England now two years out

1089
00:55:04,587 --> 00:55:06,707
Speaker 3: from the World Cup, et cetera? You puppare you wait

1090
00:55:06,747 --> 00:55:09,467
Speaker 3: the focus on the future rather than the now? Can't

1091
00:55:09,507 --> 00:55:12,067
Speaker 3: we just enjoy the current game without people like you

1092
00:55:12,747 --> 00:55:16,067
Speaker 3: belittling it? There's no way I am belittling what England

1093
00:55:16,107 --> 00:55:19,507
Speaker 3: did today. I just think in the context of world rugby,

1094
00:55:19,547 --> 00:55:23,427
Speaker 3: where World Cups are the focus of every single international

1095
00:55:23,507 --> 00:55:26,467
Speaker 3: rugby team, that the context of where you are at

1096
00:55:26,467 --> 00:55:29,587
Speaker 3: the midway point of World Cup cycle is relevant. My

1097
00:55:29,667 --> 00:55:33,067
Speaker 3: apologies though, if you thought I was belittling what happened today.

1098
00:55:33,067 --> 00:55:35,307
Speaker 3: Hello Ian, Oh.

1099
00:55:35,267 --> 00:55:37,627
Speaker 23: Good day, Jason. How are you doing good?

1100
00:55:37,627 --> 00:55:37,867
Speaker 15: Ian?

1101
00:55:37,947 --> 00:55:38,107
Speaker 24: Good?

1102
00:55:38,107 --> 00:55:38,707
Speaker 3: Thanks mate.

1103
00:55:39,347 --> 00:55:39,627
Speaker 25: Listen.

1104
00:55:39,667 --> 00:55:42,187
Speaker 23: Has been a little while, but I thought i'd better

1105
00:55:42,227 --> 00:55:46,467
Speaker 23: give you a ring before the rugby season runs there. Hey, listen,

1106
00:55:46,507 --> 00:55:48,947
Speaker 23: I watched the game early this morning. I'm not a

1107
00:55:48,987 --> 00:55:52,267
Speaker 23: happy chappy. I'm like at least one or two Ory

1108
00:55:52,387 --> 00:55:55,707
Speaker 23: you know of your callers there that they do say that, Look,

1109
00:55:55,987 --> 00:55:57,907
Speaker 23: you've got to do something with Bowden.

1110
00:55:58,067 --> 00:55:58,267
Speaker 8: Look.

1111
00:55:58,347 --> 00:56:01,307
Speaker 23: I know I'm a taranicky guy, but listen, that guy

1112
00:56:01,467 --> 00:56:04,547
Speaker 23: is kicking and kicking and kicking. He's doing all this

1113
00:56:04,707 --> 00:56:07,627
Speaker 23: stuff of kicking and he's just mucking the game up.

1114
00:56:08,027 --> 00:56:10,427
Speaker 23: And the same with his other brother, you know, Scotty.

1115
00:56:11,067 --> 00:56:13,907
Speaker 23: He doesn't want that Captain c I'm sure he doesn't.

1116
00:56:13,947 --> 00:56:17,067
Speaker 23: He doesn't need it. He might pay even play a

1117
00:56:17,067 --> 00:56:20,507
Speaker 23: better game, Jase, because I don't know how he plays

1118
00:56:20,587 --> 00:56:24,667
Speaker 23: without being the captain, but the whole game, I was disappointed.

1119
00:56:25,467 --> 00:56:27,907
Speaker 23: I'm not an All Black, you know, I'm not a

1120
00:56:27,987 --> 00:56:32,067
Speaker 23: real deep fan, Jase, but I love the All Blacks.

1121
00:56:32,067 --> 00:56:35,547
Speaker 23: But up until now, it's just gone past it, you know.

1122
00:56:36,627 --> 00:56:39,427
Speaker 3: And I hear what you're saying. The kicking thing, the

1123
00:56:39,507 --> 00:56:42,027
Speaker 3: kicking topic were. Yeah, we spoke a little bit about

1124
00:56:42,067 --> 00:56:44,987
Speaker 3: it before one o'clock. And look, I think Boden Barrett

1125
00:56:44,987 --> 00:56:47,827
Speaker 3: would freely admit that today was not one of his

1126
00:56:47,907 --> 00:56:50,907
Speaker 3: better test matches. He had picked up an injury by

1127
00:56:50,947 --> 00:56:53,307
Speaker 3: the sounds of it, which we weren't aware of during

1128
00:56:53,347 --> 00:56:56,107
Speaker 3: the game. But yeah, it's just I think one aspect

1129
00:56:56,147 --> 00:57:00,467
Speaker 3: of a number of things that once we get Wales

1130
00:57:00,467 --> 00:57:02,027
Speaker 3: out of the way next week and we still have

1131
00:57:02,067 --> 00:57:04,667
Speaker 3: to play that test match, that that will be looked at.

1132
00:57:04,907 --> 00:57:09,667
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of narrative that it

1133
00:57:09,707 --> 00:57:12,067
Speaker 3: comes through on the text machine here and that I

1134
00:57:12,147 --> 00:57:17,667
Speaker 3: read elsewhere saying that people believe for whatever reason, and

1135
00:57:17,707 --> 00:57:22,707
Speaker 3: it's their perception and therefore their reality, that Razor gets

1136
00:57:22,747 --> 00:57:26,267
Speaker 3: an easy ride from the media. I've seen it time

1137
00:57:26,307 --> 00:57:29,307
Speaker 3: and time and time again, and it's often contrasted and

1138
00:57:29,387 --> 00:57:34,107
Speaker 3: compared to the way Ian Foster was perceived to be

1139
00:57:34,227 --> 00:57:38,747
Speaker 3: treated by the media. I think there will be a

1140
00:57:38,867 --> 00:57:44,067
Speaker 3: very very harsh spotlight on Scott Robertson and his coaching

1141
00:57:44,107 --> 00:57:46,907
Speaker 3: team when they do their end of year review. There

1142
00:57:46,947 --> 00:57:49,787
Speaker 3: has to be. As I said at the top of

1143
00:57:49,827 --> 00:57:54,747
Speaker 3: the show, the All Blacks haven't improved under Scott Robertson.

1144
00:57:55,547 --> 00:57:57,587
Speaker 3: They're not a better team now than they were when

1145
00:57:57,627 --> 00:58:00,627
Speaker 3: he took over. There was high excitement when he took over,

1146
00:58:00,707 --> 00:58:03,987
Speaker 3: and I think that was probably natural. Here was one

1147
00:58:04,027 --> 00:58:08,667
Speaker 3: of our most successful super rugby coaches of all time

1148
00:58:09,507 --> 00:58:11,907
Speaker 3: taking charge of the national team, and I think there

1149
00:58:11,987 --> 00:58:14,907
Speaker 3: was general acceptance that it was the right idea that

1150
00:58:14,987 --> 00:58:17,667
Speaker 3: he was the right man to be put into the

1151
00:58:17,747 --> 00:58:22,707
Speaker 3: job at that time. Now he's had two years and

1152
00:58:22,867 --> 00:58:26,307
Speaker 3: scrutiny will come, and rightly so. This is the coach

1153
00:58:26,467 --> 00:58:30,627
Speaker 3: of the All Blacks. It comes with the territory. It

1154
00:58:30,747 --> 00:58:35,147
Speaker 3: is the most scrutinized job in New Zealand sport and

1155
00:58:35,187 --> 00:58:38,507
Speaker 3: therefore I would expect that there would be extremely robust

1156
00:58:38,667 --> 00:58:44,587
Speaker 3: discussion and some fairly tough questions asked by those in

1157
00:58:44,707 --> 00:58:48,267
Speaker 3: power at New Zealand Rugby of Scott Robertson and his

1158
00:58:48,347 --> 00:58:53,267
Speaker 3: coaching staff. In their end of year review. There are

1159
00:58:53,307 --> 00:58:56,547
Speaker 3: a lot of areas that they may land on when

1160
00:58:56,547 --> 00:59:00,827
Speaker 3: they have a look at that review. But this idea

1161
00:59:00,947 --> 00:59:07,867
Speaker 3: that you know, the media, for what that's worth, have

1162
00:59:07,987 --> 00:59:11,227
Speaker 3: given Scott Robertson an easy ride, It's just not true.

1163
00:59:12,107 --> 00:59:16,187
Speaker 3: I've read, I've read a number of articles and columns

1164
00:59:16,387 --> 00:59:21,227
Speaker 3: and opinion pieces right across this year and for big

1165
00:59:21,267 --> 00:59:24,187
Speaker 3: parts of last year as well that do call into

1166
00:59:24,307 --> 00:59:27,467
Speaker 3: question what's happening with our All Black side and that

1167
00:59:27,627 --> 00:59:32,787
Speaker 3: is natural. Again, we love the All Blacks. They're our team.

1168
00:59:33,627 --> 00:59:39,187
Speaker 3: They are a team that we are entitled to scrutinize.

1169
00:59:41,707 --> 00:59:44,787
Speaker 9: Hello, Funny, okay, Arnie.

1170
00:59:45,787 --> 00:59:48,947
Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, any way I can sum up the All

1171
00:59:48,947 --> 00:59:51,627
Speaker 14: Blacks of the last bloody four or five years. I'm

1172
00:59:51,667 --> 00:59:55,667
Speaker 14: the fozzy and Phrasors is like a learner driver trying

1173
00:59:55,707 --> 01:00:01,107
Speaker 14: to bloody driver column shift. It's just it's just been

1174
01:00:01,187 --> 01:00:05,147
Speaker 14: an absolute clunk and Bloody can't get into gear and

1175
01:00:06,027 --> 01:00:08,027
Speaker 14: can't shift this way or that way.

1176
01:00:08,107 --> 01:00:10,707
Speaker 3: It's a couple of bunny hops, yeah, a couple of

1177
01:00:10,707 --> 01:00:13,107
Speaker 3: Bundy hops stalling a couple of times. Yep.

1178
01:00:13,267 --> 01:00:16,867
Speaker 14: Oh, it's just painful, mate, It's the back line of

1179
01:00:17,227 --> 01:00:21,867
Speaker 14: there's no fluency. I haven't seen fluency and in the

1180
01:00:21,907 --> 01:00:24,947
Speaker 14: back line for so long, nothing seems to click and

1181
01:00:25,667 --> 01:00:27,547
Speaker 14: oh what a mess.

1182
01:00:28,987 --> 01:00:29,147
Speaker 15: Mm.

1183
01:00:30,227 --> 01:00:33,507
Speaker 3: But it's a great analogy. Actually, it's a because I

1184
01:00:33,547 --> 01:00:36,907
Speaker 3: think we were used to seeing the All Blacks and

1185
01:00:36,947 --> 01:00:40,867
Speaker 3: if I use the car analogy, shift effortlessly through the gears,

1186
01:00:41,507 --> 01:00:45,787
Speaker 3: you know, and and and perr along and and and

1187
01:00:45,827 --> 01:00:49,827
Speaker 3: be a very well functioning machine. And you're right, clunky

1188
01:00:49,947 --> 01:00:52,347
Speaker 3: is a good word for it. And in many ways

1189
01:00:52,387 --> 01:00:53,707
Speaker 3: it's to do with the fact that a lot of

1190
01:00:53,707 --> 01:00:55,907
Speaker 3: other teams have caught up and and you know, the

1191
01:00:55,947 --> 01:00:58,947
Speaker 3: All Blacks aren't the you know, the king of the

1192
01:00:58,987 --> 01:01:02,907
Speaker 3: castle anymore. But yeah, you're right there. There has been

1193
01:01:02,947 --> 01:01:05,907
Speaker 3: a degree of clunkiness, certainly in the last two years.

1194
01:01:05,947 --> 01:01:08,507
Speaker 3: I think I think Ian Foster had them gone pretty well. Actually,

1195
01:01:08,747 --> 01:01:12,067
Speaker 3: I must say, after after that Irish series and the

1196
01:01:12,147 --> 01:01:13,947
Speaker 3: lessons he learned from that, I think he had them

1197
01:01:13,947 --> 01:01:15,787
Speaker 3: going pretty well going towards the World Cup. And but

1198
01:01:15,907 --> 01:01:17,867
Speaker 3: for a you know, a red card and a point

1199
01:01:17,907 --> 01:01:19,467
Speaker 3: here or there, we might have won the World Cup.

1200
01:01:19,507 --> 01:01:22,027
Speaker 3: But but yeah, there's been a clunkiness about the team

1201
01:01:22,067 --> 01:01:23,467
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years for sure.

1202
01:01:26,347 --> 01:01:31,787
Speaker 26: Yeah, Yeah, it's just yeah, where do you Where do

1203
01:01:31,867 --> 01:01:32,187
Speaker 26: you go?

1204
01:01:32,427 --> 01:01:36,987
Speaker 14: I just I honestly think that that Scott Robinson is

1205
01:01:37,147 --> 01:01:40,427
Speaker 14: just holding out for Richie mulong As to come back

1206
01:01:40,467 --> 01:01:41,427
Speaker 14: and and.

1207
01:01:41,387 --> 01:01:46,627
Speaker 26: Hopefully to drive that ship. That's that, That's my perception anyway.

1208
01:01:46,627 --> 01:01:51,427
Speaker 26: He's just obviously that's why Richie's signed a contract and

1209
01:01:51,587 --> 01:01:55,627
Speaker 26: that's what Scott Robinson's banking on, that things will change

1210
01:01:55,667 --> 01:01:57,747
Speaker 26: when Richie's bloody driving the ship.

1211
01:01:58,347 --> 01:02:00,427
Speaker 3: Totally agree. I think he's chips in on him. I

1212
01:02:00,427 --> 01:02:03,627
Speaker 3: think he's absolutely chips in on him. That that he

1213
01:02:03,787 --> 01:02:10,427
Speaker 3: is he is hoping and presumably expecting that Richie muong

1214
01:02:10,547 --> 01:02:12,387
Speaker 3: will come in and do exactly what I did at

1215
01:02:12,387 --> 01:02:16,067
Speaker 3: the Crusaders during that remarkable period of success that the

1216
01:02:16,067 --> 01:02:18,987
Speaker 3: two of them enjoyed together, that he will come in

1217
01:02:19,907 --> 01:02:23,987
Speaker 3: and he will turn things around. Thanks for calling, Finn,

1218
01:02:24,027 --> 01:02:25,947
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. One twenty eight News Talks. They'll be

1219
01:02:25,987 --> 01:02:27,187
Speaker 3: back with more of your calls after this.

1220
01:02:28,107 --> 01:02:31,987
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1221
01:02:32,027 --> 01:02:36,067
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1222
01:02:36,227 --> 01:02:36,747
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1223
01:02:36,747 --> 01:02:40,227
Speaker 3: They'd be bang on one thirty. We'll have toss details

1224
01:02:40,267 --> 01:02:43,267
Speaker 3: from Hagley Oval shortly. Ian. Thanks for holding good afternoon.

1225
01:02:45,387 --> 01:02:46,907
Speaker 17: Hi Jace, here you go.

1226
01:02:47,587 --> 01:02:49,267
Speaker 3: I'm going well, Ian. How are you going?

1227
01:02:50,187 --> 01:02:50,307
Speaker 5: Uh?

1228
01:02:50,467 --> 01:02:50,867
Speaker 15: Not bad?

1229
01:02:50,947 --> 01:02:53,227
Speaker 17: Thanks for a Sunday, just for this doing the bloody

1230
01:02:53,307 --> 01:02:53,947
Speaker 17: lawns and all that.

1231
01:02:54,067 --> 01:02:56,547
Speaker 3: Drun good Man, good man, you know.

1232
01:02:56,667 --> 01:03:00,107
Speaker 17: You know, you know, hear what happens. I'm not really

1233
01:03:00,147 --> 01:03:02,147
Speaker 17: going to talk about thebo so I'm going to talk abit.

1234
01:03:02,227 --> 01:03:06,587
Speaker 17: The captn't seem more than anything. As you know, I'm

1235
01:03:06,587 --> 01:03:09,627
Speaker 17: a well former Willington now I'm now on the Hawk's bay.

1236
01:03:10,747 --> 01:03:17,107
Speaker 17: But I've had the captaincy taken off me twice, mainly

1237
01:03:17,187 --> 01:03:20,787
Speaker 17: because of form. Now that I think it was a

1238
01:03:20,827 --> 01:03:23,947
Speaker 17: gender one I heard before saying about that a little bit.

1239
01:03:24,427 --> 01:03:30,867
Speaker 17: It does affect your play and I was playing rugby

1240
01:03:30,907 --> 01:03:33,827
Speaker 17: at the time, so I don't know what other sports

1241
01:03:33,907 --> 01:03:37,987
Speaker 17: go through, but it does. And I think to myself, well,

1242
01:03:38,147 --> 01:03:40,307
Speaker 17: and as I just said, I had it taken off

1243
01:03:40,347 --> 01:03:44,347
Speaker 17: me twice and I was comfortable with it too.

1244
01:03:46,627 --> 01:03:46,787
Speaker 15: Well.

1245
01:03:46,787 --> 01:03:49,427
Speaker 3: I think one of the things about being captain Ian

1246
01:03:49,547 --> 01:03:52,547
Speaker 3: is that your position in the team has to be

1247
01:03:52,547 --> 01:03:57,107
Speaker 3: beyond doubt right. You have to be you know, for

1248
01:03:57,187 --> 01:04:00,227
Speaker 3: the you know, all things being equal, you are a

1249
01:04:00,267 --> 01:04:05,147
Speaker 3: starting player in the team. And you know, I think

1250
01:04:05,147 --> 01:04:07,707
Speaker 3: Scott Barrett is that. I think he is one of

1251
01:04:07,747 --> 01:04:10,147
Speaker 3: our best two locks. But as I said before, I

1252
01:04:10,267 --> 01:04:14,547
Speaker 3: just don't know that the captaincy sits comfortably with him.

1253
01:04:14,547 --> 01:04:17,187
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to. There are some captains you look

1254
01:04:17,227 --> 01:04:19,547
Speaker 3: at and you think he looks like a captain. He

1255
01:04:19,707 --> 01:04:22,827
Speaker 3: sounds like a captain. There are lots of different ways

1256
01:04:22,867 --> 01:04:26,827
Speaker 3: to lead, and as I've said, often we don't know

1257
01:04:26,947 --> 01:04:30,507
Speaker 3: what happens in the inner workings, the inner sanctum of

1258
01:04:30,587 --> 01:04:34,267
Speaker 3: the All Blacks and the influence that Scott Barrett has,

1259
01:04:34,307 --> 01:04:37,867
Speaker 3: because clearly he has the respect of all of those

1260
01:04:37,907 --> 01:04:42,427
Speaker 3: who play alongside him. It just doesn't look like he

1261
01:04:42,507 --> 01:04:48,387
Speaker 3: enjoys the captaincy that much. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't.

1262
01:04:50,227 --> 01:04:53,867
Speaker 3: Would he be better without the armband? I guess we'll

1263
01:04:53,867 --> 01:04:59,427
Speaker 3: only know if it's taken away from him. There are

1264
01:04:59,667 --> 01:05:07,147
Speaker 3: examples of sports people who, unencumbered by leadership, reach highest ceiling.

1265
01:05:10,067 --> 01:05:12,307
Speaker 3: Thanks for your call in oh one hundred and eighty

1266
01:05:12,347 --> 01:05:16,627
Speaker 3: ten eighties our number. Simon, Hi, mate, get a piney.

1267
01:05:16,667 --> 01:05:17,987
Speaker 3: How you are good? Simon?

1268
01:05:18,027 --> 01:05:18,147
Speaker 15: Good?

1269
01:05:18,187 --> 01:05:18,787
Speaker 3: Thanks mate?

1270
01:05:19,747 --> 01:05:24,307
Speaker 27: Yeah, good, Hey, I'm just keeping it simple. We've had

1271
01:05:24,307 --> 01:05:28,507
Speaker 27: two years of Razor and it is not working right,

1272
01:05:28,587 --> 01:05:31,827
Speaker 27: It ain't working. Kimi's are not happy, All Black fans

1273
01:05:31,827 --> 01:05:35,907
Speaker 27: are not happy. There's no cohesion. That this team is

1274
01:05:36,067 --> 01:05:39,427
Speaker 27: crap in the story. So if you go back to

1275
01:05:39,467 --> 01:05:42,507
Speaker 27: the days of the eighties and nineties or to two thousands,

1276
01:05:43,307 --> 01:05:47,627
Speaker 27: any coach after two years of this would be gone, gone.

1277
01:05:48,147 --> 01:05:51,067
Speaker 27: And I think it's time for him to go resign

1278
01:05:51,387 --> 01:05:53,947
Speaker 27: at the end of the Whales game and go And

1279
01:05:54,027 --> 01:05:56,867
Speaker 27: we've got Jamie Joseph from the Wings, bring him in.

1280
01:05:56,947 --> 01:05:59,667
Speaker 27: We've got two years to get this team right. The

1281
01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:03,867
Speaker 27: team is an utter disaster. That's where I'm at.

1282
01:06:05,107 --> 01:06:07,947
Speaker 3: Well, sorry, yeah, no gray area there, Simon, look and

1283
01:06:08,187 --> 01:06:12,427
Speaker 3: I look, I sense the passion. I look. I don't

1284
01:06:12,427 --> 01:06:14,987
Speaker 3: think he's going to resign. I don't think that's in

1285
01:06:15,067 --> 01:06:20,707
Speaker 3: his DNA. And I'm not yeah, and I'm not. Look,

1286
01:06:20,827 --> 01:06:25,067
Speaker 3: I think he should certainly be, you know, be subject

1287
01:06:25,067 --> 01:06:26,827
Speaker 3: to an end of season review. I mean, I think

1288
01:06:26,827 --> 01:06:28,787
Speaker 3: that happens if you win every game or lose every game,

1289
01:06:28,787 --> 01:06:31,107
Speaker 3: he'll have to they'll have to sit down and review

1290
01:06:31,147 --> 01:06:33,667
Speaker 3: the year with the powers that be at New Zealand Rugby.

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01:06:34,027 --> 01:06:35,987
Speaker 3: What I would need to see, Simon, And I'm sure

1292
01:06:36,027 --> 01:06:38,947
Speaker 3: you would too. Is a plan for improvement?

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01:06:40,147 --> 01:06:43,707
Speaker 27: Oh yeah, yeah, there's no there. What is the plan?

1294
01:06:44,227 --> 01:06:46,947
Speaker 27: You ask any fan, there's no game plan out there?

1295
01:06:47,387 --> 01:06:49,067
Speaker 27: You know, where is the improvement?

1296
01:06:49,107 --> 01:06:49,787
Speaker 7: Boden bear it.

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01:06:49,987 --> 01:06:53,347
Speaker 27: I'm sorry that he's he needs to just you know,

1298
01:06:53,787 --> 01:06:56,467
Speaker 27: move on from Boden. We've got these young first fires

1299
01:06:56,507 --> 01:06:59,907
Speaker 27: around the country that should be being used. We can't

1300
01:06:59,947 --> 01:07:02,267
Speaker 27: wait out for the old mate to come back from Japan.

1301
01:07:02,387 --> 01:07:05,707
Speaker 27: I mean he's not a young man either, right, So

1302
01:07:06,747 --> 01:07:09,747
Speaker 27: you know two years past, you know, we had the

1303
01:07:09,787 --> 01:07:12,787
Speaker 27: cantab's bag and the hell out of Fozy during his tenure,

1304
01:07:13,947 --> 01:07:16,147
Speaker 27: and this guy has come in and we've seen two

1305
01:07:16,187 --> 01:07:21,947
Speaker 27: years of extreme mediocre you know, mediocrity. Sorry, you know,

1306
01:07:22,107 --> 01:07:25,067
Speaker 27: it's just mate, it's just frustrating. And I see the

1307
01:07:25,107 --> 01:07:27,947
Speaker 27: England team today, you know, they're super happy for beating

1308
01:07:28,027 --> 01:07:30,747
Speaker 27: us and all that. And if you go on Facebook,

1309
01:07:30,747 --> 01:07:32,907
Speaker 27: there's all sorts of comments around, oh you know, we

1310
01:07:32,987 --> 01:07:34,787
Speaker 27: gave it our beg shots and you know, but the

1311
01:07:34,827 --> 01:07:37,947
Speaker 27: thing is, it's unacceptable to lose to England in this

1312
01:07:38,067 --> 01:07:42,147
Speaker 27: way and it's unacceptable to just have two years of mediocrity.

1313
01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:45,227
Speaker 27: The All Blacks are bigger than that, you know, and

1314
01:07:45,267 --> 01:07:47,827
Speaker 27: it's just it just should not be accepted. And I

1315
01:07:47,827 --> 01:07:49,467
Speaker 27: think if we're going to make a big decision, you

1316
01:07:49,547 --> 01:07:52,307
Speaker 27: have to do it now because we've only got two

1317
01:07:52,387 --> 01:07:53,667
Speaker 27: years left, right.

1318
01:07:53,667 --> 01:07:53,827
Speaker 7: So.

1319
01:07:55,267 --> 01:07:56,787
Speaker 27: Yeah, that's where I'm at.

1320
01:07:56,827 --> 01:07:59,427
Speaker 3: Anyway, on your Simon, no, good on you, mate, Thank

1321
01:07:59,427 --> 01:08:02,907
Speaker 3: you for calling in. I have enjoyed your call, and

1322
01:08:03,227 --> 01:08:07,147
Speaker 3: you're right told them to account. Often. You know, we

1323
01:08:08,387 --> 01:08:13,027
Speaker 3: are accused the rugby public of being too hard on

1324
01:08:13,227 --> 01:08:18,747
Speaker 3: our sporting teams, but this is the All Blacks, so

1325
01:08:19,547 --> 01:08:24,067
Speaker 3: scrutiny is part of the job for them, for the

1326
01:08:24,067 --> 01:08:27,667
Speaker 3: coaching staff, for the players, and they often say it.

1327
01:08:28,107 --> 01:08:32,867
Speaker 3: They say it themselves, the players and the coaches. They

1328
01:08:32,907 --> 01:08:36,067
Speaker 3: embrace the fact that we care so much about the team.

1329
01:08:36,307 --> 01:08:41,147
Speaker 3: Otherwise what would they be. Thanks for your course, Simon, Michael, Hi.

1330
01:08:43,147 --> 01:08:43,907
Speaker 4: Good afternoon.

1331
01:08:45,147 --> 01:08:45,787
Speaker 14: You just got me.

1332
01:08:45,867 --> 01:08:49,027
Speaker 11: I had the phone down, But I have a slightly

1333
01:08:49,067 --> 01:08:52,987
Speaker 11: different thing. I've heard Scott Roberson this morning after the game,

1334
01:08:53,147 --> 01:08:55,587
Speaker 11: and then I heard the fullback of just his name

1335
01:08:55,747 --> 01:08:57,947
Speaker 11: just this case me the other a few minutes ago

1336
01:08:57,987 --> 01:08:58,787
Speaker 11: on your show.

1337
01:08:58,907 --> 01:09:01,587
Speaker 3: Yep yep, will Jordan, yep, Well Jordan.

1338
01:09:01,427 --> 01:09:07,667
Speaker 11: That's it all seeing the praise missed opportunity, Well I'd

1339
01:09:07,707 --> 01:09:10,147
Speaker 11: like to point out that England had at least one,

1340
01:09:10,227 --> 01:09:14,627
Speaker 11: maybe two tries disallowed. They had numerous There were two

1341
01:09:14,707 --> 01:09:18,627
Speaker 11: whole held up over the line. Aren't those missed opportunities?

1342
01:09:19,267 --> 01:09:21,867
Speaker 11: You know, we are only looking and they all see.

1343
01:09:22,147 --> 01:09:25,387
Speaker 11: But then, maybe the most telling comment was from our

1344
01:09:25,507 --> 01:09:29,427
Speaker 11: lady commentators. She was dressed in red at Twickenham. Do

1345
01:09:29,467 --> 01:09:30,107
Speaker 11: you remember her?

1346
01:09:31,387 --> 01:09:35,667
Speaker 3: I was listening to the commentary this morning. I've asked sorry.

1347
01:09:36,787 --> 01:09:38,907
Speaker 11: She was a keyw WE girl and she made the

1348
01:09:38,947 --> 01:09:42,267
Speaker 11: most to me, the most telling comment. Afterwards. She said

1349
01:09:42,347 --> 01:09:45,067
Speaker 11: there was just one or two of the all blacks

1350
01:09:45,507 --> 01:09:50,347
Speaker 11: who looked sad or look I can't remember her words.

1351
01:09:50,787 --> 01:09:53,547
Speaker 11: There were others just walking around smiling as if oh,

1352
01:09:53,627 --> 01:09:57,627
Speaker 11: that's any other game. Almost I'm being a bit exaggeration there,

1353
01:09:58,027 --> 01:10:01,707
Speaker 11: but I saw a picture of Ardi Servier sitting on

1354
01:10:01,747 --> 01:10:06,867
Speaker 11: the ground against her go post, absolutely gutted. That's the

1355
01:10:06,947 --> 01:10:11,067
Speaker 11: thing that's missing. That's the thing, and it's just those

1356
01:10:11,107 --> 01:10:13,827
Speaker 11: two things that I wanted to point out. The English

1357
01:10:13,867 --> 01:10:17,107
Speaker 11: had many opportunities too, and they were close. They dropped

1358
01:10:17,107 --> 01:10:20,027
Speaker 11: the ball within a meter of the line. They had

1359
01:10:20,067 --> 01:10:23,147
Speaker 11: at least one held up over the line, and as

1360
01:10:23,187 --> 01:10:27,147
Speaker 11: I say, one or two try and that try that

1361
01:10:27,387 --> 01:10:32,067
Speaker 11: was just allowed for how many minutes further back?

1362
01:10:32,147 --> 01:10:33,547
Speaker 9: Are we going to go with the drinking?

1363
01:10:34,227 --> 01:10:37,587
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know what you mean, Michael. I know, yeah,

1364
01:10:37,587 --> 01:10:39,387
Speaker 3: looks I've got one more call to get him before

1365
01:10:39,787 --> 01:10:41,427
Speaker 3: we moved, Michael. But thank you. I think it was

1366
01:10:41,467 --> 01:10:44,627
Speaker 3: Taylor Johnson who you were referring to. She was the

1367
01:10:44,667 --> 01:10:46,747
Speaker 3: Sky Sport interviewer on the ground over there, and I

1368
01:10:46,787 --> 01:10:50,627
Speaker 3: do do recall now hearing her post match say something

1369
01:10:50,627 --> 01:10:54,787
Speaker 3: along the lines of what you've outlined there. That and

1370
01:10:54,827 --> 01:10:58,067
Speaker 3: it's just a perception again, but it didn't feel as

1371
01:10:58,147 --> 01:11:01,907
Speaker 3: though there was an utter sense of desolation after the loss.

1372
01:11:02,987 --> 01:11:04,987
Speaker 3: People show the motion in different ways. I saw that

1373
01:11:05,027 --> 01:11:06,947
Speaker 3: photo that you're referring to of our save. I think

1374
01:11:06,987 --> 01:11:09,907
Speaker 3: it summed up brilliantly, sitting there back against the post,

1375
01:11:10,027 --> 01:11:12,307
Speaker 3: just staring into the middle distance and wondering what on

1376
01:11:12,347 --> 01:11:15,507
Speaker 3: earth had just gone on. Thanks Michael, enjoyed the rest

1377
01:11:15,507 --> 01:11:17,787
Speaker 3: of your day, Frank. Last word is yours today?

1378
01:11:17,787 --> 01:11:21,787
Speaker 13: Mate, Okay, piney, thank you. I'm going to prefer this

1379
01:11:22,387 --> 01:11:27,787
Speaker 13: to an analogy, a canine analogy. We came onto the

1380
01:11:28,107 --> 01:11:30,707
Speaker 13: paddock there. We were a bunch of collies and we

1381
01:11:30,787 --> 01:11:34,267
Speaker 13: randed them up and after twenty minutes at twelve nil,

1382
01:11:34,747 --> 01:11:38,107
Speaker 13: we had them. But hang on, we were fight. We

1383
01:11:38,107 --> 01:11:42,467
Speaker 13: were facing the British bulldog, and that British bulldog has

1384
01:11:42,507 --> 01:11:44,827
Speaker 13: got sharp teeth, and by god, he betters.

1385
01:11:47,027 --> 01:11:50,187
Speaker 3: I don't mind the canine analogy, Frank, I don't mind it. Yeah,

1386
01:11:50,227 --> 01:11:53,147
Speaker 3: looks and what do they say if we want to

1387
01:11:53,187 --> 01:11:55,587
Speaker 3: continue the analogy, it's the size of the dog in

1388
01:11:55,627 --> 01:11:57,347
Speaker 3: the fight, or the size of the fight and the dog.

1389
01:11:57,427 --> 01:11:59,867
Speaker 3: I think they were just bigger. There was more fight

1390
01:12:00,067 --> 01:12:03,107
Speaker 3: in the British bulldog perhaps than the New Zealand sheep

1391
01:12:03,147 --> 01:12:05,987
Speaker 3: dog Collie today. You know, it may may be something

1392
01:12:06,027 --> 01:12:09,027
Speaker 3: as as simple as that. Frank, thank you for your call.

1393
01:12:09,147 --> 01:12:13,547
Speaker 3: Thank you for all your calls and correspondence. Look, I

1394
01:12:13,627 --> 01:12:16,227
Speaker 3: greatly appreciate you taking the time to articulate your thoughts,

1395
01:12:16,267 --> 01:12:19,267
Speaker 3: either on the air or via text. There's no way

1396
01:12:19,307 --> 01:12:21,347
Speaker 3: we can get to anywhere near all of the messages,

1397
01:12:21,347 --> 01:12:22,947
Speaker 3: but thank you for sending them through. We do read

1398
01:12:22,987 --> 01:12:25,827
Speaker 3: them all. Nineteen to two, Let's take a break, comeback.

1399
01:12:25,907 --> 01:12:28,427
Speaker 3: James mcconey in as regular Sunday slot.

1400
01:12:28,907 --> 01:12:32,587
Speaker 1: The tough Questions off the turf Weekends Sport with Jason

1401
01:12:32,667 --> 01:12:36,387
Speaker 1: Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home.

1402
01:12:36,267 --> 01:12:36,987
Speaker 15: Builder news Do.

1403
01:12:38,747 --> 01:12:41,627
Speaker 3: Sixteen away from two. The West Indies have won the

1404
01:12:41,707 --> 01:12:45,347
Speaker 3: toss and are sun So tagly Oval and the inserted

1405
01:12:45,747 --> 01:12:47,667
Speaker 3: New Zealand's our New Zealand or bat first in the

1406
01:12:47,667 --> 01:12:50,547
Speaker 3: first of three One Day Internationals against the West Indies.

1407
01:12:50,587 --> 01:12:52,707
Speaker 3: First ball at two and the All Whites up against

1408
01:12:52,747 --> 01:12:57,027
Speaker 3: Columbia twelve minutes gone in Florida and Columbia already into

1409
01:12:57,067 --> 01:13:01,027
Speaker 3: a one nill lead. James mcconey, as always on a Sunday,

1410
01:13:01,147 --> 01:13:01,667
Speaker 3: is with us.

1411
01:13:01,947 --> 01:13:05,787
Speaker 28: Hello mate, Oh hi Piney, how are you taking it?

1412
01:13:05,787 --> 01:13:05,947
Speaker 2: Well?

1413
01:13:05,987 --> 01:13:08,747
Speaker 28: I see you and your new Talk be listeners.

1414
01:13:09,227 --> 01:13:13,467
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Look, I think the rugby public is reacting and

1415
01:13:13,507 --> 01:13:16,747
Speaker 3: it's truly measured fashion as per usual. Where would you

1416
01:13:16,787 --> 01:13:19,787
Speaker 3: like to place your focus as you analyze the game?

1417
01:13:20,787 --> 01:13:23,067
Speaker 28: Well, I'd like to start with a little bit of

1418
01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:26,907
Speaker 28: a defensive razor, and that is, like you look at

1419
01:13:26,907 --> 01:13:30,307
Speaker 28: this team, it's fully in development mode as far as

1420
01:13:30,347 --> 01:13:34,347
Speaker 28: I'm concerned, because if there's four experienced players in that

1421
01:13:34,467 --> 01:13:36,587
Speaker 28: starting lineup, and I call it four and a half

1422
01:13:36,667 --> 01:13:40,947
Speaker 28: really because you've got Cody Taylor, Scott Barrett, Ardie, Savier, Bowden,

1423
01:13:40,987 --> 01:13:44,067
Speaker 28: Barrett and the half is Will Jordan. But the rest

1424
01:13:44,387 --> 01:13:47,627
Speaker 28: is about one hundred and forty maybe caps between them,

1425
01:13:47,827 --> 01:13:49,947
Speaker 28: and half of those belong to the group and Mules.

1426
01:13:50,027 --> 01:13:52,707
Speaker 28: So I just want to say, I do feel like

1427
01:13:52,787 --> 01:13:55,267
Speaker 28: this looks like a development team to me, and I

1428
01:13:55,347 --> 01:13:58,307
Speaker 28: know that you know, the Wiblets don't do development because

1429
01:13:58,387 --> 01:14:02,987
Speaker 28: it's you know, they must win philosophy. However, however, Pony,

1430
01:14:04,267 --> 01:14:08,987
Speaker 28: I think our game plan is uninspiring and predictable, and

1431
01:14:09,027 --> 01:14:12,107
Speaker 28: I think our attack is just missing something. And even

1432
01:14:12,187 --> 01:14:15,227
Speaker 28: you had the Englishmen saying we're just playing into their

1433
01:14:15,227 --> 01:14:17,627
Speaker 28: hands on the halfway line, and in you were opener

1434
01:14:17,707 --> 01:14:19,987
Speaker 28: for the show, I thought you were banging on you

1435
01:14:20,027 --> 01:14:23,147
Speaker 28: know what's happened to our set moves? I think there

1436
01:14:23,187 --> 01:14:26,587
Speaker 28: actually are gaps out on the field. England exploited them

1437
01:14:26,747 --> 01:14:29,507
Speaker 28: a couple of times from set play for Ali Lawrence

1438
01:14:29,507 --> 01:14:31,787
Speaker 28: and then has passed it Dingwell and you could see

1439
01:14:31,787 --> 01:14:34,907
Speaker 28: it from Spider Can. The gaps are there, We're not

1440
01:14:35,027 --> 01:14:37,747
Speaker 28: finding them, we haven't got the moves, and we're and

1441
01:14:37,827 --> 01:14:41,187
Speaker 28: we're struggling to actually get our best players into the

1442
01:14:41,187 --> 01:14:42,107
Speaker 28: game consistently.

1443
01:14:42,947 --> 01:14:47,627
Speaker 3: So do you feel optimistic that that can be corrected.

1444
01:14:49,587 --> 01:14:53,427
Speaker 28: I'm not sure because Jason Holland has gone right, so

1445
01:14:53,947 --> 01:14:56,267
Speaker 28: I guess does Hanson take over there in that role

1446
01:14:56,307 --> 01:14:59,547
Speaker 28: as a tack coach is what I've been hearing. So

1447
01:15:00,947 --> 01:15:03,307
Speaker 28: it remains to be seen. And of course Wales is

1448
01:15:03,347 --> 01:15:05,387
Speaker 28: just a gimmea isn't It's a layup of a game.

1449
01:15:05,747 --> 01:15:08,187
Speaker 28: But the one thing that I think where England has

1450
01:15:08,227 --> 01:15:11,107
Speaker 28: showed us up big time is bringing their talent through.

1451
01:15:11,507 --> 01:15:14,307
Speaker 28: You know, they're not all massive. Marcus Smith is tiny,

1452
01:15:15,387 --> 01:15:18,227
Speaker 28: he's there, Damien McKenzie, George Ford is.

1453
01:15:18,187 --> 01:15:18,827
Speaker 29: A little bloke.

1454
01:15:18,907 --> 01:15:19,147
Speaker 8: You know.

1455
01:15:19,227 --> 01:15:21,987
Speaker 28: There are guys out there who come on and just

1456
01:15:22,067 --> 01:15:26,387
Speaker 28: provide either spark or leadership. They don't necessarily have to

1457
01:15:26,387 --> 01:15:29,307
Speaker 28: be these big ogres that England have relied on in

1458
01:15:29,347 --> 01:15:32,267
Speaker 28: the past, and so Henry Pollock is one of those

1459
01:15:32,307 --> 01:15:35,027
Speaker 28: as well. And we do have Henry Pollocks in New

1460
01:15:35,107 --> 01:15:38,827
Speaker 28: Zealand and that currently Lucas Casey, Oli mathis or whatever,

1461
01:15:39,307 --> 01:15:42,507
Speaker 28: and we're sort of waiting for the opportunity. But the

1462
01:15:42,547 --> 01:15:45,107
Speaker 28: time is now really because the team to me is

1463
01:15:45,107 --> 01:15:47,787
Speaker 28: in development mode. So you've got to throw the kitchen

1464
01:15:47,827 --> 01:15:49,747
Speaker 28: sink at it. And you and I watched a lot

1465
01:15:49,747 --> 01:15:52,827
Speaker 28: of Super Ugby this year, Pony, and it was pretty

1466
01:15:52,867 --> 01:15:55,107
Speaker 28: evident that Ruben Love should have been given a shot

1467
01:15:55,267 --> 01:15:57,707
Speaker 28: at ten at some point this season. So yeah, of

1468
01:15:57,707 --> 01:16:00,627
Speaker 28: course it's going to be against Wales. But what are

1469
01:16:00,627 --> 01:16:01,267
Speaker 28: we waiting for?

1470
01:16:02,147 --> 01:16:06,227
Speaker 3: Speaking of teens, do you believe as I do and

1471
01:16:06,427 --> 01:16:08,347
Speaker 3: you don't have to agree. Do you believe that Scott

1472
01:16:08,427 --> 01:16:10,667
Speaker 3: Robertson is kind of all in chips and if you

1473
01:16:10,787 --> 01:16:12,747
Speaker 3: like on Richie Moonga to come in and be the

1474
01:16:13,307 --> 01:16:15,067
Speaker 3: and be the savior of this team.

1475
01:16:16,627 --> 01:16:18,707
Speaker 28: I think he knew with Lester find the Nuku and

1476
01:16:19,107 --> 01:16:21,027
Speaker 28: Richie Moore than they're coming back. He's kind of getting

1477
01:16:21,067 --> 01:16:23,427
Speaker 28: the old band back together. But the problem with trying

1478
01:16:23,427 --> 01:16:25,747
Speaker 28: to reinvent those Crusaders teams that he won all those

1479
01:16:25,787 --> 01:16:28,427
Speaker 28: titles with is back then he had the best players.

1480
01:16:28,547 --> 01:16:31,067
Speaker 28: He had fourteen all blacks, and he had Sam Whitelock

1481
01:16:31,107 --> 01:16:33,267
Speaker 28: as the leader and there was no way any other

1482
01:16:33,307 --> 01:16:37,147
Speaker 28: team could compete with quality and leadership and just true grit.

1483
01:16:37,507 --> 01:16:40,507
Speaker 28: Whereas out there right now he doesn't have the best players.

1484
01:16:40,627 --> 01:16:43,507
Speaker 28: When we play other nations, we don't even have the

1485
01:16:43,547 --> 01:16:46,387
Speaker 28: most dangerous players. You know, you look at South Africa,

1486
01:16:46,507 --> 01:16:48,707
Speaker 28: they've got four or five match winners, he you'd probably

1487
01:16:48,787 --> 01:16:52,307
Speaker 28: rate ahead of ours, so and they're starting to use

1488
01:16:52,347 --> 01:16:55,027
Speaker 28: them so that the signs aren't good. I actually think

1489
01:16:55,067 --> 01:16:57,987
Speaker 28: you really need to go and say whatever, Henry Pollock

1490
01:16:58,107 --> 01:17:02,627
Speaker 28: provides that energy, that excitement. We need to find that

1491
01:17:02,747 --> 01:17:05,267
Speaker 28: because that was what New Zealand Rugby had over the others,

1492
01:17:05,267 --> 01:17:09,387
Speaker 28: and including skill and dare I say it, passing in

1493
01:17:09,467 --> 01:17:12,587
Speaker 28: tight spaces. England gave us a lesson last night, a

1494
01:17:12,667 --> 01:17:13,307
Speaker 28: simple as that.

1495
01:17:14,387 --> 01:17:18,067
Speaker 3: What do you think they'll do selection wise for Wales?

1496
01:17:18,387 --> 01:17:22,227
Speaker 3: Do you see wholesale changes or do you think, given

1497
01:17:22,267 --> 01:17:24,347
Speaker 3: the fact that they lost this morning that they might

1498
01:17:24,387 --> 01:17:27,987
Speaker 3: be a bit more conservative. Surely there'll be some changes.

1499
01:17:29,347 --> 01:17:31,187
Speaker 28: Well, given that I've just mentioned the four and a

1500
01:17:31,227 --> 01:17:33,827
Speaker 28: half experienced players, I think some of them will still

1501
01:17:33,827 --> 01:17:35,787
Speaker 28: have to play because you can't just go in with

1502
01:17:35,827 --> 01:17:38,867
Speaker 28: all rookies. They are an experienced a lot when you

1503
01:17:38,907 --> 01:17:42,867
Speaker 28: look around. But yeah, there will be a fair amount

1504
01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:45,467
Speaker 28: of changes with I guess an insurance policy on the bench.

1505
01:17:45,987 --> 01:17:51,547
Speaker 28: But brutally, if you consider that Damien McKenzie got us

1506
01:17:51,587 --> 01:17:54,507
Speaker 28: out of jail last week in Ireland, the cards sort

1507
01:17:54,547 --> 01:17:57,267
Speaker 28: of fell our way nicely, and I know the Irish

1508
01:17:57,307 --> 01:18:00,387
Speaker 28: didn't enjoy that French wreath. And I mean there has

1509
01:18:00,427 --> 01:18:03,507
Speaker 28: to be said that the yellow card to Cody Taylor

1510
01:18:03,667 --> 01:18:06,707
Speaker 28: was laughable. But we weren't dominating the game, we weren't

1511
01:18:06,707 --> 01:18:09,587
Speaker 28: dominating the contact, and we didn't have the continuity. So

1512
01:18:10,067 --> 01:18:11,747
Speaker 28: you know, what is the plan? Which is what you're

1513
01:18:11,787 --> 01:18:15,667
Speaker 28: asking and I think you can probably just ask that

1514
01:18:15,827 --> 01:18:17,707
Speaker 28: or whoever next time you get a coach on is

1515
01:18:17,747 --> 01:18:20,587
Speaker 28: just say what are we doing? Because it doesn't seem

1516
01:18:20,587 --> 01:18:22,347
Speaker 28: to be working against the big teams.

1517
01:18:22,827 --> 01:18:26,867
Speaker 3: At what point in the World Cup cycle do you

1518
01:18:26,987 --> 01:18:31,467
Speaker 3: stop experimenting or can you keep on trying new things out?

1519
01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:34,627
Speaker 3: Certainly next year, but what about you know, at the

1520
01:18:34,667 --> 01:18:37,867
Speaker 3: back end of next year, when we're within twelve months

1521
01:18:37,907 --> 01:18:40,787
Speaker 3: of the World Cup, can we still be trying stuff

1522
01:18:40,827 --> 01:18:43,227
Speaker 3: out on the Northern tour next year? We've got the

1523
01:18:43,267 --> 01:18:46,987
Speaker 3: South African Tour obviously next year, haven't we? Is that

1524
01:18:46,987 --> 01:18:47,347
Speaker 3: next year?

1525
01:18:47,467 --> 01:18:47,747
Speaker 7: It is?

1526
01:18:48,027 --> 01:18:53,427
Speaker 3: So when do you settle on what you're doing heading

1527
01:18:53,427 --> 01:18:54,267
Speaker 3: to all World Cup?

1528
01:18:55,107 --> 01:18:57,427
Speaker 28: I think you never says well, really, I mean it's

1529
01:18:57,427 --> 01:18:59,427
Speaker 28: different when you look at our great team or most

1530
01:18:59,627 --> 01:19:01,867
Speaker 28: the recent great team of twenty fifteen. We had so

1531
01:19:01,947 --> 01:19:05,307
Speaker 28: many Hall of famers and centurions in that team plus

1532
01:19:05,427 --> 01:19:07,187
Speaker 28: near him on a scudder right. He was brought in

1533
01:19:07,227 --> 01:19:09,467
Speaker 28: at the last second, so he should always be room

1534
01:19:09,507 --> 01:19:14,067
Speaker 28: for bolters, for exciting talent, points of difference right up

1535
01:19:14,147 --> 01:19:17,227
Speaker 28: until World Cup year, and I think we've always had that,

1536
01:19:17,307 --> 01:19:20,067
Speaker 28: you know, Michael Jones in eighty seven right the way through.

1537
01:19:21,187 --> 01:19:23,307
Speaker 28: I think it was you know, Josh Cronford and Andrew

1538
01:19:23,347 --> 01:19:26,667
Speaker 28: Mertens and Glenn Osborne in ninety five. Every World Cup

1539
01:19:26,707 --> 01:19:28,907
Speaker 28: you can name those guys and in fact the ones

1540
01:19:28,947 --> 01:19:31,307
Speaker 28: where we probably haven't done that are the ones we've

1541
01:19:31,347 --> 01:19:35,107
Speaker 28: come undone and haven't read and underperformed. So New Zealand

1542
01:19:35,107 --> 01:19:37,587
Speaker 28: I think we still have incredible talent. Yes, a lot

1543
01:19:37,587 --> 01:19:41,507
Speaker 28: of it's going to NRLs clubs, but that's even more

1544
01:19:41,587 --> 01:19:43,747
Speaker 28: in censive. I think to pick someone who is our

1545
01:19:43,827 --> 01:19:46,467
Speaker 28: version of Henry Pollock and give them a chance in

1546
01:19:46,507 --> 01:19:49,827
Speaker 28: the black Jersey, because watching them be so predestrian is

1547
01:19:49,867 --> 01:19:52,987
Speaker 28: actually a tough watch. I think we are better than that.

1548
01:19:53,067 --> 01:19:54,747
Speaker 28: I do know we've got better talent than that in

1549
01:19:54,827 --> 01:19:55,307
Speaker 28: New Zealand.

1550
01:19:56,027 --> 01:19:59,747
Speaker 3: Then Henry Pollock's a an eye catching rugby player, isn't

1551
01:19:59,747 --> 01:20:01,947
Speaker 3: he He loved Did you see him in the Hawker during

1552
01:20:01,947 --> 01:20:04,347
Speaker 3: the hackery. He loved it, didn't he He was licking.

1553
01:20:04,107 --> 01:20:08,987
Speaker 28: His lips giving a short way after the game photos

1554
01:20:09,027 --> 01:20:12,307
Speaker 28: of the Emiratikhanu. He's a start, He's just an absolute

1555
01:20:12,387 --> 01:20:15,507
Speaker 28: boy band start. I'm not sure which one is your

1556
01:20:15,627 --> 01:20:19,387
Speaker 28: more westlife I think possibly Boyzone. Hard to say, but

1557
01:20:20,147 --> 01:20:22,707
Speaker 28: the one thing is that this England team will get

1558
01:20:22,747 --> 01:20:25,427
Speaker 28: better if Hoskins Statucci goes there. And I think that's

1559
01:20:25,467 --> 01:20:28,827
Speaker 28: the other thing where this All Blacks selection panel has

1560
01:20:28,907 --> 01:20:31,467
Speaker 28: kind of dropped the ball, really is that the handling

1561
01:20:31,507 --> 01:20:35,547
Speaker 28: of the Hoskins Statutu situation and Dalton papa le Because

1562
01:20:35,547 --> 01:20:37,947
Speaker 28: to me, Dalton papal Lei was a proven test player

1563
01:20:38,067 --> 01:20:40,347
Speaker 28: who had shown that over the years. He's a big

1564
01:20:40,387 --> 01:20:42,627
Speaker 28: part of our last World Cup squad, so to drop

1565
01:20:42,707 --> 01:20:44,587
Speaker 28: him completely you have to have a pretty good reason

1566
01:20:44,627 --> 01:20:47,107
Speaker 28: for that, and I don't think it's really good enough.

1567
01:20:48,387 --> 01:20:52,747
Speaker 3: James as always a great summary from you. I think

1568
01:20:52,827 --> 01:20:54,467
Speaker 3: are we done here? Is there anything else you want

1569
01:20:54,507 --> 01:20:56,067
Speaker 3: to add? I don't want to cut you off at

1570
01:20:56,107 --> 01:20:58,427
Speaker 3: the knees. You've got another thirty seconds if you'd like

1571
01:20:58,507 --> 01:20:59,027
Speaker 3: to use it.

1572
01:20:59,627 --> 01:21:02,307
Speaker 28: Oh yes, please. I'd like to say that we're to

1573
01:21:02,387 --> 01:21:06,707
Speaker 28: go down against Columbia and the All White soul really

1574
01:21:06,707 --> 01:21:08,467
Speaker 28: looking forward to that game to sort of, you know,

1575
01:21:08,707 --> 01:21:12,227
Speaker 28: wash away the bad taste of that England win. But hey,

1576
01:21:12,387 --> 01:21:14,587
Speaker 28: congrats to England and don't worry on crowd goes well

1577
01:21:14,587 --> 01:21:18,387
Speaker 28: Topora night, even though we're eternally positive there we will

1578
01:21:18,387 --> 01:21:21,187
Speaker 28: be flipping the desk and provide some kind of sacrifice

1579
01:21:21,187 --> 01:21:23,827
Speaker 28: to the rugby god. So tune in tomorrow at seven.

1580
01:21:24,227 --> 01:21:26,787
Speaker 3: Look forward to it. James, Thanks mate. James mcconey huge

1581
01:21:26,787 --> 01:21:29,347
Speaker 3: part of our Sundays. Joins us around this time every

1582
01:21:29,467 --> 01:21:32,267
Speaker 3: Sunday afternoon or Weekend Sports seven and a half to

1583
01:21:32,347 --> 01:21:33,867
Speaker 3: two when.

1584
01:21:33,667 --> 01:21:34,667
Speaker 1: It's down to the line.

1585
01:21:34,907 --> 01:21:36,147
Speaker 2: You made a call on.

1586
01:21:37,547 --> 01:21:40,987
Speaker 1: Eight Weekend Sports with Jason Payne News Talks B.

1587
01:21:41,907 --> 01:21:44,467
Speaker 3: One fifty six on News Talks, heb we're going to

1588
01:21:44,467 --> 01:21:46,827
Speaker 3: pivot away from the rugby. As I've said a couple

1589
01:21:46,867 --> 01:21:49,947
Speaker 3: of times, thank you for all of your feedback, your

1590
01:21:49,987 --> 01:21:52,547
Speaker 3: reaction to what happened this morning. No doubt the conversation

1591
01:21:52,587 --> 01:21:56,187
Speaker 3: will continue across the week. One more Test match for

1592
01:21:56,227 --> 01:21:58,787
Speaker 3: the All Blacks this year. It is against Wales in

1593
01:21:58,867 --> 01:22:02,307
Speaker 3: Cardiff next Sunday morning. Again it's a ten past four.

1594
01:22:02,627 --> 01:22:04,547
Speaker 3: These are getting a little bit tough, aren't they? The

1595
01:22:04,547 --> 01:22:07,027
Speaker 3: Island game in Chicago was good, wasn't it? Nine o'clock?

1596
01:22:07,187 --> 01:22:09,027
Speaker 3: You haven't been a sleep and get up and watch

1597
01:22:09,027 --> 01:22:12,387
Speaker 3: the rugby ten pass four is a bit tougher species.

1598
01:22:12,987 --> 01:22:16,307
Speaker 3: Three sundays in a row. Anyway, we'll do it next

1599
01:22:16,347 --> 01:22:19,667
Speaker 3: Sunday when the All Blacks play Wales the final Test

1600
01:22:19,747 --> 01:22:23,907
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five. After two o'clock we'll pivot away

1601
01:22:23,947 --> 01:22:27,507
Speaker 3: to golf. Daniel Hillier with an eagle on the last

1602
01:22:28,227 --> 01:22:32,107
Speaker 3: overnight at the dp World Tours Finale in Abu Dhabi.

1603
01:22:32,147 --> 01:22:35,587
Speaker 3: He's nine under, four shots off the lead, but crucially

1604
01:22:35,627 --> 01:22:38,187
Speaker 3: for him, still in the mix for that PGA Tour card.

1605
01:22:38,587 --> 01:22:41,387
Speaker 3: It's really complicated to explain what he has to do

1606
01:22:41,907 --> 01:22:44,627
Speaker 3: to get that tour card. It really depends on how

1607
01:22:44,667 --> 01:22:48,027
Speaker 3: he goes and how others go. But we will focus

1608
01:22:48,067 --> 01:22:50,307
Speaker 3: on Daniel Hillier after two.

1609
01:22:51,267 --> 01:22:54,187
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest four issues on

1610
01:22:54,547 --> 01:22:57,907
Speaker 1: and after field, it's all on Win Jam Sport with

1611
01:22:58,147 --> 01:23:01,027
Speaker 1: Jason pay on your Home of Sport.

1612
01:23:02,427 --> 01:23:09,707
Speaker 3: Or two o six Welcome back or welcome into weekend sport.

1613
01:23:10,907 --> 01:23:13,467
Speaker 3: Let's draw a line under the rugby for this afternoon.

1614
01:23:13,507 --> 01:23:18,227
Speaker 3: Shall we let's move on, let's discuss some other things.

1615
01:23:20,267 --> 01:23:24,587
Speaker 3: I think so, I think so. Daniel Hillyer can we golfer.

1616
01:23:25,347 --> 01:23:27,787
Speaker 3: He's in a type for seventeenth but only four strokes

1617
01:23:27,787 --> 01:23:30,307
Speaker 3: off the lead after three rounds of the season ending

1618
01:23:30,387 --> 01:23:35,947
Speaker 3: DP World Tour Championship in Dubai, still well and truly

1619
01:23:35,987 --> 01:23:39,067
Speaker 3: in the hunt for a PGA Tour card next year.

1620
01:23:40,107 --> 01:23:44,947
Speaker 3: And well, I mean only four back from Rory McElroy,

1621
01:23:44,987 --> 01:23:48,747
Speaker 3: the leader. He was paired with Rory McElroy in the

1622
01:23:48,747 --> 01:23:51,987
Speaker 3: third round Daniel Hill here, and that must have been

1623
01:23:52,387 --> 01:23:57,347
Speaker 3: in itself a challenge, all of that extra exposure and

1624
01:23:57,427 --> 01:24:00,267
Speaker 3: spotlight and the bigger galleries and more television coverage and

1625
01:24:00,307 --> 01:24:02,627
Speaker 3: all that sort of thing when you're paired with a

1626
01:24:02,667 --> 01:24:07,667
Speaker 3: bloke like Rory. He had a chi paunching first half

1627
01:24:07,707 --> 01:24:11,547
Speaker 3: a dozen holes, but then came right, looked after himself

1628
01:24:11,587 --> 01:24:17,027
Speaker 3: and eagled the last. So stays in contention. Jake Carter,

1629
01:24:17,147 --> 01:24:20,707
Speaker 3: national coach with Golf New Zealand Ganuba break it all

1630
01:24:20,707 --> 01:24:23,467
Speaker 3: down for us shortly. The competition schedules out for the

1631
01:24:23,467 --> 01:24:26,187
Speaker 3: next Olympic Games already. These are in twenty twenty eight

1632
01:24:26,187 --> 01:24:29,867
Speaker 3: and Los Angeles. The main feature is the flipping of

1633
01:24:29,987 --> 01:24:33,547
Speaker 3: swimming and track and field. So we'll talk about that

1634
01:24:33,667 --> 01:24:37,667
Speaker 3: and other things with the nzc's Team Services Director Ryan

1635
01:24:37,867 --> 01:24:41,467
Speaker 3: Archie Boult. He was a former hockey international and speaking

1636
01:24:41,547 --> 01:24:45,067
Speaker 3: of which, former Black Sticks men's defender and former captain

1637
01:24:45,107 --> 01:24:47,307
Speaker 3: of the side, Blair Tarrant a week or so ago

1638
01:24:47,347 --> 01:24:50,827
Speaker 3: announced his retirement from international hockey. He's going to join

1639
01:24:50,907 --> 01:24:54,627
Speaker 3: us to reflect on that live sport. At the moment,

1640
01:24:54,787 --> 01:24:57,787
Speaker 3: there's a one day cricket International underway at Hagleyoval and

1641
01:24:57,867 --> 01:25:00,347
Speaker 3: christ Church, New Zealand having been sent into bat by

1642
01:25:00,387 --> 01:25:02,987
Speaker 3: the West Indies five without loss in the second over

1643
01:25:03,067 --> 01:25:06,947
Speaker 3: Devin Conway and Rutch and Ravendra opening the batting. And

1644
01:25:07,307 --> 01:25:11,987
Speaker 3: in the football International in Florida, it is Columbia leading

1645
01:25:12,067 --> 01:25:14,267
Speaker 3: the All Whites by a golden hill. They scored early

1646
01:25:14,347 --> 01:25:17,067
Speaker 3: in the piece. Your Whites have done pretty well in

1647
01:25:17,107 --> 01:25:20,427
Speaker 3: the time since, but Columbia wonder ahead of New Zealand's

1648
01:25:20,467 --> 01:25:24,107
Speaker 3: or Whites with about seven minutes to go until halftime.

1649
01:25:24,147 --> 01:25:26,627
Speaker 3: We will keep you up to date with that. Your

1650
01:25:26,667 --> 01:25:29,867
Speaker 3: calls and correspondence continue to be welcome. We might, as

1651
01:25:29,907 --> 01:25:31,227
Speaker 3: I say, put a bit of a lid on the

1652
01:25:31,307 --> 01:25:33,747
Speaker 3: rugby chat for a while. But if there's anything else

1653
01:25:33,787 --> 01:25:36,547
Speaker 3: that catches your ear and you'd like to comment on,

1654
01:25:36,707 --> 01:25:39,067
Speaker 3: please send a text three to nine two nine two

1655
01:25:39,307 --> 01:25:41,027
Speaker 3: good for us the yel on eight hundred and eighty

1656
01:25:41,187 --> 01:25:43,947
Speaker 3: ten eighty. But as we always do at around about

1657
01:25:43,947 --> 01:25:46,627
Speaker 3: this time on weekend sport, we do like to keep

1658
01:25:46,627 --> 01:25:48,387
Speaker 3: you up to date with the stuff you might have missed.

1659
01:25:49,827 --> 01:25:52,027
Speaker 3: In case you missed it is the name of the feature.

1660
01:25:52,067 --> 01:25:55,147
Speaker 3: We start with the good news from overnight that the

1661
01:25:55,267 --> 01:25:57,307
Speaker 3: Silver Ferns beat England.

1662
01:26:00,587 --> 01:26:08,107
Speaker 30: Money anything to stay for details the rainy day give

1663
01:26:08,187 --> 01:26:09,547
Speaker 30: it a very fast shot.

1664
01:26:09,707 --> 01:26:10,747
Speaker 31: On a single third.

1665
01:26:10,787 --> 01:26:13,867
Speaker 30: The high Payers come from Bath game a big MAT's

1666
01:26:13,907 --> 01:26:18,067
Speaker 30: plan pair at the top of the New Zealand number

1667
01:26:18,067 --> 01:26:21,667
Speaker 30: two in the world, and that is high brilliant in

1668
01:26:21,707 --> 01:26:23,107
Speaker 30: the final fifteen.

1669
01:26:22,787 --> 01:26:26,587
Speaker 3: Minute, beating England's sixty one fifty eight. They meet again

1670
01:26:26,627 --> 01:26:29,827
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning, another loss for the Breakers, though this one

1671
01:26:30,027 --> 01:26:33,427
Speaker 3: to their distance rivals, the Perth Wildcats.

1672
01:26:33,467 --> 01:26:34,587
Speaker 15: Now it gets real.

1673
01:26:34,867 --> 01:26:38,507
Speaker 5: Kent Shall at the four Aquera's it.

1674
01:26:38,627 --> 01:26:43,387
Speaker 3: Down eighty eight to seventy five. The Wildcats will.

1675
01:26:43,187 --> 01:26:45,867
Speaker 21: Get their seventh win of the season, and it's bidding.

1676
01:26:45,667 --> 01:26:48,267
Speaker 5: The Christian do little pulls down the rebound.

1677
01:26:48,267 --> 01:26:50,907
Speaker 3: Because he was the man here in this final term

1678
01:26:50,947 --> 01:26:53,867
Speaker 3: for the Wildcats eighty eight to seventy five, the final

1679
01:26:53,907 --> 01:26:57,027
Speaker 3: score in favor of Perth. Across to the rugby in

1680
01:26:57,067 --> 01:27:00,947
Speaker 3: the Northern Hemisphere. The spring Box managed to stop a

1681
01:27:01,027 --> 01:27:05,267
Speaker 3: Northern Hemisphere clean sweep with a thirty two to fourteen

1682
01:27:05,347 --> 01:27:06,267
Speaker 3: win over Italy.

1683
01:27:06,827 --> 01:27:09,547
Speaker 32: See if the space out white brew can of moody,

1684
01:27:09,787 --> 01:27:12,907
Speaker 32: wonderful beast, wunder bulle player, Oh look.

1685
01:27:12,667 --> 01:27:16,147
Speaker 3: At South Africa Coe beautiful.

1686
01:27:17,267 --> 01:27:21,347
Speaker 32: Williams finishes the job and nay Well finished the game.

1687
01:27:22,307 --> 01:27:24,627
Speaker 8: But that with sat Africa at their.

1688
01:27:24,627 --> 01:27:28,587
Speaker 3: Trafty best here so thirty two fourteen there Ireland, meantime,

1689
01:27:28,627 --> 01:27:33,907
Speaker 3: put the Wallabies to the sword that is his way close.

1690
01:27:33,707 --> 01:27:34,227
Speaker 24: To the line.

1691
01:27:34,307 --> 01:27:38,307
Speaker 32: One more lad arrival, Wallast treats for the line and

1692
01:27:38,507 --> 01:27:41,147
Speaker 32: a lot of try for the man.

1693
01:27:41,067 --> 01:27:41,907
Speaker 24: In green.

1694
01:27:43,987 --> 01:27:48,067
Speaker 3: Forty six nineteen the final score France too strong for Fiji.

1695
01:27:48,307 --> 01:27:51,987
Speaker 32: R off the first receiver and my here's Ramos inside

1696
01:27:52,027 --> 01:27:57,507
Speaker 32: your pretare looking for a second try that might just seal.

1697
01:27:57,827 --> 01:27:59,547
Speaker 15: A French victory.

1698
01:27:59,987 --> 01:28:05,387
Speaker 32: Encor too and finally the men in Blue breakthrough this

1699
01:28:05,587 --> 01:28:10,667
Speaker 32: Fiji and the event at an absolutely faithful moment in

1700
01:28:10,747 --> 01:28:11,107
Speaker 32: the game.

1701
01:28:11,227 --> 01:28:13,667
Speaker 3: The final score thirty four to twenty one to France.

1702
01:28:13,747 --> 01:28:16,027
Speaker 3: But in a result that might have brought out the

1703
01:28:16,067 --> 01:28:19,947
Speaker 3: most emotion, it was Wales who managed to win a

1704
01:28:19,987 --> 01:28:22,427
Speaker 3: game of rugby, a thriller over Japan.

1705
01:28:22,987 --> 01:28:27,867
Speaker 33: The entirety of the Principalsi Stadium on Santa Hooks. Welsh

1706
01:28:27,947 --> 01:28:32,227
Speaker 33: rugby needs this and it's kind of be shot at gold.

1707
01:28:32,907 --> 01:28:38,187
Speaker 33: It's all there for the taking. It all rests with Jared.

1708
01:28:37,867 --> 01:28:47,907
Speaker 34: Evans here over a day.

1709
01:28:48,907 --> 01:28:52,107
Speaker 33: The rule says it all and from.

1710
01:28:51,947 --> 01:28:56,467
Speaker 5: The jaws of defeat Wales claim a priceless victory.

1711
01:28:58,067 --> 01:29:00,707
Speaker 1: The scoop from the drag field and the court. On

1712
01:29:00,827 --> 01:29:05,187
Speaker 1: your home of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine, you talks.

1713
01:29:04,987 --> 01:29:08,747
Speaker 3: It be thirteen and eagle on the last hole has

1714
01:29:08,827 --> 01:29:12,307
Speaker 3: Kiwi Golfer Daniel Hillier four strokes off the lead after

1715
01:29:12,427 --> 01:29:15,707
Speaker 3: three rounds of the season ending DP World Tour Championship

1716
01:29:15,707 --> 01:29:18,747
Speaker 3: in Dubai and still with a PGA Tour card in

1717
01:29:18,787 --> 01:29:22,347
Speaker 3: his sights, Hillia fired and even past seventy two in

1718
01:29:22,387 --> 01:29:25,307
Speaker 3: his third round. He's nine under for the tournament and

1719
01:29:25,507 --> 01:29:29,387
Speaker 3: in seventeenth place. Let's bring in national Coach with Golf

1720
01:29:29,427 --> 01:29:33,867
Speaker 3: New Zealand, Jay Carter who's worked extensively with Daniel Hillier

1721
01:29:33,987 --> 01:29:36,747
Speaker 3: in recent years. Jay, thanks for joining us. How big

1722
01:29:37,187 --> 01:29:40,267
Speaker 3: was that eagle for Dan Hillier to finish his round

1723
01:29:40,267 --> 01:29:41,227
Speaker 3: on eighteen that way?

1724
01:29:41,987 --> 01:29:45,027
Speaker 25: Mate? It was huge both from a performance point of view,

1725
01:29:45,107 --> 01:29:47,147
Speaker 25: like two shots is obviously massive, but I think just

1726
01:29:47,147 --> 01:29:51,227
Speaker 25: from a confidence point of view getting that two further

1727
01:29:51,227 --> 01:29:52,747
Speaker 25: shots up because he had a bit of a rough

1728
01:29:53,507 --> 01:29:55,827
Speaker 25: first few holes, so I think just coming back it'll

1729
01:29:55,827 --> 01:29:56,947
Speaker 25: be a nice way to go to sleep.

1730
01:29:58,027 --> 01:30:02,947
Speaker 3: How do you think he will evaluate his eighteen holes?

1731
01:30:03,667 --> 01:30:05,907
Speaker 25: It's a really good question. I mean it's a tough one.

1732
01:30:05,947 --> 01:30:11,387
Speaker 25: Imagine you hosting a radio show, the best broadcaster of

1733
01:30:11,427 --> 01:30:14,067
Speaker 25: all time, and he you know, you know you're going

1734
01:30:14,147 --> 01:30:16,787
Speaker 25: to be judged by him. So playing with Rory while

1735
01:30:16,827 --> 01:30:19,107
Speaker 25: it was it would be awesome and what an experience.

1736
01:30:19,587 --> 01:30:21,907
Speaker 25: It'd be a tough time to have to play with Rory.

1737
01:30:23,107 --> 01:30:24,987
Speaker 25: You've got all the extra pressure that comes with him,

1738
01:30:26,227 --> 01:30:29,587
Speaker 25: your awareness of him, you're you know, I guess you're

1739
01:30:29,627 --> 01:30:32,107
Speaker 25: being judged. So all of that stuff would have been

1740
01:30:32,107 --> 01:30:35,107
Speaker 25: bloody tough, I reckon. So I think just that start

1741
01:30:35,267 --> 01:30:37,387
Speaker 25: probably threw him a little bit. He had a really

1742
01:30:37,467 --> 01:30:39,827
Speaker 25: tough lie on the second hole, he had hit it

1743
01:30:39,827 --> 01:30:41,067
Speaker 25: in the left rough and got a bit of a

1744
01:30:41,107 --> 01:30:44,747
Speaker 25: flyer over the green and so probably just didn't didn't

1745
01:30:44,747 --> 01:30:46,747
Speaker 25: feel the nerves, maybe as quickly as he might like.

1746
01:30:46,867 --> 01:30:48,907
Speaker 25: But one thing I would say about Dan, and he's

1747
01:30:48,947 --> 01:30:52,307
Speaker 25: got the history of bouncing back, so I don't think

1748
01:30:52,387 --> 01:30:54,427
Speaker 25: it'll put him off massively. I think it'll make him

1749
01:30:54,427 --> 01:30:55,907
Speaker 25: a little bit more determined for tomorrow.

1750
01:30:56,587 --> 01:30:58,787
Speaker 3: It's great analogy. If you ja, if Mike Hoskin was

1751
01:30:58,787 --> 01:31:01,067
Speaker 3: sitting across from me, I'd be nervous as well. I

1752
01:31:01,067 --> 01:31:03,427
Speaker 3: think I'd be very nervous as he would have been.

1753
01:31:03,467 --> 01:31:08,467
Speaker 3: I'm sure with Rory McElroy and all the increased attention

1754
01:31:08,747 --> 01:31:10,787
Speaker 3: on the two of them, he would have been pleased.

1755
01:31:10,787 --> 01:31:12,987
Speaker 3: THO wouldn't. And you talk about bouncing back three bogies

1756
01:31:13,027 --> 01:31:16,747
Speaker 3: and four holes between three and six, how happy will

1757
01:31:16,747 --> 01:31:18,307
Speaker 3: he have been to be able to steady himself and

1758
01:31:18,347 --> 01:31:20,707
Speaker 3: pretty much play par golf from there on.

1759
01:31:22,147 --> 01:31:24,387
Speaker 25: Yeah, he played pretty solidly and there's some opportunities on

1760
01:31:24,387 --> 01:31:26,747
Speaker 25: that course, but it is one of those courses where

1761
01:31:26,747 --> 01:31:30,987
Speaker 25: if you get out of position, you're battling from the

1762
01:31:31,027 --> 01:31:32,587
Speaker 25: get go. It's long. I mean, Dan's one of the

1763
01:31:32,587 --> 01:31:36,227
Speaker 25: longest drivers on tour. He's pretty impressive ball striking this week.

1764
01:31:36,267 --> 01:31:39,587
Speaker 25: Even as ball striking, you know, he's one of the

1765
01:31:39,627 --> 01:31:41,627
Speaker 25: longest and the most accurate out there off the tea,

1766
01:31:41,627 --> 01:31:44,147
Speaker 25: and so that stands them in good stead. Yesterday I

1767
01:31:44,187 --> 01:31:46,427
Speaker 25: think he probably just I mean the first two days

1768
01:31:46,427 --> 01:31:48,587
Speaker 25: obviously he played great, and then yesterday probably just didn't

1769
01:31:48,667 --> 01:31:50,947
Speaker 25: hit it quite close and I still had a lot

1770
01:31:50,947 --> 01:31:53,707
Speaker 25: of greens, but probably just slightly out of position from

1771
01:31:53,707 --> 01:31:56,787
Speaker 25: time to time. But I mean, what a good day

1772
01:31:56,787 --> 01:31:58,187
Speaker 25: to do it, because he's still got another chance, and

1773
01:31:58,187 --> 01:32:00,667
Speaker 25: he's still got another crack at that PJA Tour card Tomorrow.

1774
01:32:00,987 --> 01:32:03,187
Speaker 3: Absolutely we'll talk about that in a secon having had

1775
01:32:03,227 --> 01:32:07,107
Speaker 3: those bogies. He gets to six and he's had three bogies,

1776
01:32:07,147 --> 01:32:09,787
Speaker 3: as I say, in four holes, would he have been

1777
01:32:10,307 --> 01:32:13,827
Speaker 3: more cautious, would have been you know, less likely to

1778
01:32:13,867 --> 01:32:17,507
Speaker 3: take risks to chase birdies from there?

1779
01:32:18,227 --> 01:32:21,947
Speaker 25: I wouldn't think his game plan would change massively. Those

1780
01:32:21,947 --> 01:32:24,307
Speaker 25: courses are set up so tough. That's probably one thing

1781
01:32:24,467 --> 01:32:28,467
Speaker 25: that I didn't even appreciate. I went over with Dan

1782
01:32:29,027 --> 01:32:31,987
Speaker 25: and Kazuma to the Irish Open and watching it on TV,

1783
01:32:31,987 --> 01:32:34,307
Speaker 25: it looks quite easy. But when you see it live. Man.

1784
01:32:34,347 --> 01:32:37,227
Speaker 25: They set up so tough, so your sort of your

1785
01:32:37,227 --> 01:32:38,187
Speaker 25: hands forced a little bit.

1786
01:32:38,227 --> 01:32:38,627
Speaker 8: In terms of.

1787
01:32:38,627 --> 01:32:40,907
Speaker 25: Strategy, you can't really be more aggressive because you can

1788
01:32:40,947 --> 01:32:43,267
Speaker 25: just come up stuck so quickly. So I suspect a

1789
01:32:43,347 --> 01:32:46,107
Speaker 25: strategy would have changed. She's got an awesome caddy on

1790
01:32:46,147 --> 01:32:49,507
Speaker 25: the bag and Henry. Henry would have kept him pretty

1791
01:32:49,547 --> 01:32:52,787
Speaker 25: level headed and just you know, going back to that

1792
01:32:52,947 --> 01:32:57,427
Speaker 25: stick to your process. Golf's the game of well, I

1793
01:32:57,427 --> 01:33:00,987
Speaker 25: wouldn't say luck, but you know, you get positive and

1794
01:33:01,067 --> 01:33:03,707
Speaker 25: negative variance. And so sometimes you had a shot and

1795
01:33:03,787 --> 01:33:05,267
Speaker 25: you push it, but the pen happens to be on

1796
01:33:05,307 --> 01:33:07,147
Speaker 25: the right and those close, and sometimes you pull it

1797
01:33:07,147 --> 01:33:08,747
Speaker 25: and depends on the left and it goes close. So

1798
01:33:09,227 --> 01:33:11,227
Speaker 25: I think he had just even in those days. You

1799
01:33:11,347 --> 01:33:13,827
Speaker 25: just got to be patient and that variance will working

1800
01:33:13,987 --> 01:33:15,307
Speaker 25: towards your favor at some point.

1801
01:33:16,027 --> 01:33:19,107
Speaker 3: This is a course where there are obviously birdies out there.

1802
01:33:19,147 --> 01:33:22,387
Speaker 3: It's low scoring for those obviously who are doing well there.

1803
01:33:22,427 --> 01:33:24,547
Speaker 3: And Dan, you know, five under in the first round,

1804
01:33:24,587 --> 01:33:26,987
Speaker 3: four under in the second round. There are birdies out

1805
01:33:26,987 --> 01:33:30,467
Speaker 3: there for him, What does he need to do especially

1806
01:33:30,507 --> 01:33:33,747
Speaker 3: well in the fourth round to challenge for a top

1807
01:33:33,747 --> 01:33:34,947
Speaker 3: ten finish? In this tournament.

1808
01:33:36,027 --> 01:33:38,907
Speaker 25: Well, he's one of the longest and most acurosity, so

1809
01:33:38,947 --> 01:33:41,787
Speaker 25: if he can nail that combination and then make some

1810
01:33:41,827 --> 01:33:44,947
Speaker 25: good decisions in there, that's the last round of There's

1811
01:33:44,947 --> 01:33:46,547
Speaker 25: so much to play for in this round. For a

1812
01:33:46,587 --> 01:33:49,427
Speaker 25: lot of those guys that you know, the top ten

1813
01:33:49,427 --> 01:33:52,107
Speaker 25: who aren't already exempt to get a PGA Tour card

1814
01:33:52,147 --> 01:33:54,867
Speaker 25: on the US Tour next year, that's just massive and

1815
01:33:54,907 --> 01:33:56,827
Speaker 25: they're all striving for that. So there'll be guys that

1816
01:33:56,827 --> 01:33:58,947
Speaker 25: won't handle that particularly well, and there'll be guys that

1817
01:33:58,987 --> 01:34:01,227
Speaker 25: do handle it particularly well. One of the guys that

1818
01:34:01,307 --> 01:34:04,747
Speaker 25: was a headed down on the list, Jordan Smith, didn't

1819
01:34:04,747 --> 01:34:06,667
Speaker 25: have a great first two rounds, but then he's eight

1820
01:34:06,747 --> 01:34:10,947
Speaker 25: under sixty four yesterday, so there's going to be some

1821
01:34:11,027 --> 01:34:12,907
Speaker 25: jost thing for positions. So I think Dan's got to

1822
01:34:13,227 --> 01:34:16,307
Speaker 25: probably leank on Henry a bit, stay patient. He's good enough.

1823
01:34:16,347 --> 01:34:19,547
Speaker 25: I've had about three or four coaches who work on

1824
01:34:19,667 --> 01:34:23,427
Speaker 25: tour reach out and just talk how impressive Dan is

1825
01:34:23,547 --> 01:34:26,427
Speaker 25: as both of the young men but also as a

1826
01:34:26,427 --> 01:34:28,987
Speaker 25: golfer and as a ball striker, and how impressive he's

1827
01:34:28,987 --> 01:34:30,787
Speaker 25: been at the back half of the year. So he's

1828
01:34:30,787 --> 01:34:32,467
Speaker 25: got a lot of people rooting for him over there.

1829
01:34:32,867 --> 01:34:36,067
Speaker 3: So as you've outlined the PGA Tour card, he has

1830
01:34:36,107 --> 01:34:38,667
Speaker 3: to finish in the I think is it the top ten,

1831
01:34:38,707 --> 01:34:41,187
Speaker 3: top twelve, or certainly up near the top of the

1832
01:34:41,227 --> 01:34:45,467
Speaker 3: non exempt golfers. So how tempting would it be for

1833
01:34:45,547 --> 01:34:48,667
Speaker 3: him to keep an eye on others? And how unhelpful

1834
01:34:48,747 --> 01:34:52,107
Speaker 3: might there be if he keeps eyes on other golfers

1835
01:34:52,107 --> 01:34:54,747
Speaker 3: and how they're going and doesn't give full focus to

1836
01:34:54,787 --> 01:34:55,347
Speaker 3: his own game.

1837
01:34:56,387 --> 01:34:58,507
Speaker 25: Yeah, it wouldn't be helpful at all. And I think

1838
01:34:58,507 --> 01:35:01,147
Speaker 25: the thing is it's so complex that I don't think

1839
01:35:01,147 --> 01:35:02,947
Speaker 25: he'll be able to He wouldn't be able to keep up.

1840
01:35:03,067 --> 01:35:05,747
Speaker 25: He could see the leader boards, but there's probably about

1841
01:35:05,907 --> 01:35:10,667
Speaker 25: five or six guys jostling for position. That's not simply

1842
01:35:10,667 --> 01:35:13,227
Speaker 25: where you finish, it's where you finish relative to other people.

1843
01:35:13,787 --> 01:35:17,227
Speaker 25: So it's probably the good thing is it's probably too

1844
01:35:17,227 --> 01:35:19,427
Speaker 25: complicate that actually be trying to work out while you're

1845
01:35:19,427 --> 01:35:21,427
Speaker 25: out there, and he won't have enough access to that.

1846
01:35:21,427 --> 01:35:25,027
Speaker 25: He'll see leaderboards, but the leaderboard generally speaking, shows the

1847
01:35:25,067 --> 01:35:28,627
Speaker 25: top couple of pages, and you an really know what's

1848
01:35:28,667 --> 01:35:30,747
Speaker 25: going on behind that, and you don't really want to

1849
01:35:30,787 --> 01:35:31,587
Speaker 25: be distracted by.

1850
01:35:31,547 --> 01:35:33,787
Speaker 3: That, absolutely no, I know, you just just focus on

1851
01:35:33,827 --> 01:35:36,547
Speaker 3: your own game, don't you. How big would it be

1852
01:35:36,747 --> 01:35:40,467
Speaker 3: if he was able to gain himself a PGA Tour card.

1853
01:35:41,707 --> 01:35:44,627
Speaker 25: It'd be huge because I think the PGA Tour would

1854
01:35:44,707 --> 01:35:47,547
Speaker 25: suit Dan really well, like he's an impressive ball striker,

1855
01:35:48,387 --> 01:35:53,027
Speaker 25: controls his flight really well. It's a long obviously, the

1856
01:35:53,667 --> 01:35:55,987
Speaker 25: best players in the world are probably playing on that tour,

1857
01:35:55,987 --> 01:35:58,227
Speaker 25: which is why they now give those ten cards away.

1858
01:35:58,827 --> 01:36:01,147
Speaker 25: He'd be back with Foxy, who I know. Those two

1859
01:36:01,147 --> 01:36:02,867
Speaker 25: get on really well and spend a lot of time together,

1860
01:36:02,867 --> 01:36:04,667
Speaker 25: and it'd be cool for golf of New Zealand to go.

1861
01:36:05,347 --> 01:36:08,147
Speaker 25: You know, imagine having two players on the PGA Tour.

1862
01:36:08,907 --> 01:36:10,227
Speaker 25: Haven't had that for a while. And then we've got

1863
01:36:10,267 --> 01:36:13,947
Speaker 25: Kazuma on the dp Tour, and we've got some Fia

1864
01:36:13,987 --> 01:36:15,707
Speaker 25: and his jew's just spent a year on the LPGA

1865
01:36:15,787 --> 01:36:18,227
Speaker 25: this year with Lydia. We've got a couple of girls

1866
01:36:18,267 --> 01:36:21,147
Speaker 25: on the Ladies European Tour, my Mirka Kabori, Kazuma's sister,

1867
01:36:21,387 --> 01:36:24,267
Speaker 25: and Amelia Garvey. So it's pretty cool for New Zealand,

1868
01:36:24,347 --> 01:36:26,947
Speaker 25: not just obviously Dan giving a PGA Tour cut, but

1869
01:36:27,147 --> 01:36:29,427
Speaker 25: that that would be icing on the cake for sure.

1870
01:36:29,907 --> 01:36:32,027
Speaker 3: And just back to the mental side of the game, Jay,

1871
01:36:32,107 --> 01:36:33,907
Speaker 3: you know you can. You can coach a player as

1872
01:36:33,987 --> 01:36:35,507
Speaker 3: much as you like in terms of the way they

1873
01:36:35,587 --> 01:36:38,827
Speaker 3: drive the ball, the way they part everything in between.

1874
01:36:39,027 --> 01:36:43,307
Speaker 3: But how much of it is mental On the biggest

1875
01:36:43,307 --> 01:36:44,227
Speaker 3: stage like this.

1876
01:36:45,347 --> 01:36:48,507
Speaker 25: Oh, it's massive. Dan does a great job in that

1877
01:36:48,587 --> 01:36:51,147
Speaker 25: space too. Like I said before, like his ability to

1878
01:36:51,187 --> 01:36:54,107
Speaker 25: bounce back is huge. I remember I think his last

1879
01:36:54,107 --> 01:36:56,267
Speaker 25: tournament as an amateur, he had a shock run like

1880
01:36:56,307 --> 01:36:59,027
Speaker 25: eighty three in the second round, I mean sixty five

1881
01:36:59,107 --> 01:37:00,827
Speaker 25: or sixty six the next day, so he's got evidence

1882
01:37:00,867 --> 01:37:04,267
Speaker 25: that he can do it. His boning language has also,

1883
01:37:04,827 --> 01:37:07,507
Speaker 25: It's something I used coaching younger players. Now they use

1884
01:37:07,587 --> 01:37:10,147
Speaker 25: videos and photos of Dan. If you look at him

1885
01:37:10,147 --> 01:37:12,627
Speaker 25: when he's doing an interview, he's always like in a

1886
01:37:12,707 --> 01:37:14,907
Speaker 25: Superman pos His chest is always up and out, his

1887
01:37:14,947 --> 01:37:16,827
Speaker 25: eyes are always up. So even little things like that,

1888
01:37:16,987 --> 01:37:20,027
Speaker 25: whether that's intentional or not, I think the body language

1889
01:37:20,067 --> 01:37:22,747
Speaker 25: can lead to some of that positive reinforcement, and he

1890
01:37:22,787 --> 01:37:25,267
Speaker 25: does a great job of that. If it was anyone,

1891
01:37:25,987 --> 01:37:28,187
Speaker 25: if you wanted anyone playing in the final round for

1892
01:37:28,267 --> 01:37:31,547
Speaker 25: your life, Jase from New Zealand. You Dan Hillary would be.

1893
01:37:31,547 --> 01:37:34,307
Speaker 3: Well up there, great stuff. Well, can't wait to see

1894
01:37:34,307 --> 01:37:36,547
Speaker 3: how it goes tonight for him in a really big

1895
01:37:36,627 --> 01:37:38,627
Speaker 3: round in the context of his career. Just I mean

1896
01:37:38,627 --> 01:37:40,987
Speaker 3: worst case scenario. If he doesn't get the PGA to

1897
01:37:41,067 --> 01:37:43,187
Speaker 3: a card, he's back on the DP world too next

1898
01:37:43,267 --> 01:37:46,347
Speaker 3: year again, isn't he That wouldn't be the worst possible outcome.

1899
01:37:47,187 --> 01:37:50,907
Speaker 25: No, it'd be awesome. He'll get into all the rollings events.

1900
01:37:51,947 --> 01:37:53,747
Speaker 25: He'll be one of the big dogs. He knows that

1901
01:37:53,787 --> 01:37:55,867
Speaker 25: he can do it because he was close last year.

1902
01:37:56,987 --> 01:37:58,587
Speaker 25: You know, if he doesn't get it, he's close again

1903
01:37:58,667 --> 01:38:01,067
Speaker 25: this year, so there'll be enough evidence for him to

1904
01:38:01,107 --> 01:38:03,947
Speaker 25: go I can do it and he loves it out here.

1905
01:38:03,987 --> 01:38:07,027
Speaker 3: True Jake, great to chet your thanks so much for

1906
01:38:07,147 --> 01:38:08,827
Speaker 3: giving us the insight. As I say, can't wait to

1907
01:38:08,827 --> 01:38:10,747
Speaker 3: see how Dan goes in the fourth round tonight. Thanks

1908
01:38:10,747 --> 01:38:13,747
Speaker 3: for taking out call. Excuse no, thank you mate. That

1909
01:38:13,827 --> 01:38:16,507
Speaker 3: is Jake Carter, our national coach with Golf New Zealand

1910
01:38:16,547 --> 01:38:19,787
Speaker 3: and a coach who's worked very closely with Daniel Hilly

1911
01:38:19,787 --> 01:38:22,907
Speaker 3: are down the years, so nine under the car. That's

1912
01:38:22,907 --> 01:38:25,867
Speaker 3: how we started. The day I was keeping eyes on

1913
01:38:25,987 --> 01:38:28,467
Speaker 3: Dan Hilly last night watching him, and he did have

1914
01:38:28,507 --> 01:38:31,587
Speaker 3: some early struggles, to say, three bogies in the space

1915
01:38:31,627 --> 01:38:34,347
Speaker 3: of four holes early in his round, but then he

1916
01:38:34,387 --> 01:38:36,347
Speaker 3: came right and I woke up this morning I did

1917
01:38:36,587 --> 01:38:38,867
Speaker 3: quite make it through to the end of his round live.

1918
01:38:38,987 --> 01:38:42,507
Speaker 3: And to find him having eagled the eighteenth what a

1919
01:38:42,547 --> 01:38:44,307
Speaker 3: boost for him, And as Jay said, what a good

1920
01:38:44,347 --> 01:38:46,907
Speaker 3: way to go to sleep. So you're basically nine under,

1921
01:38:46,907 --> 01:38:50,067
Speaker 3: you're only four shots back from the lead. When he

1922
01:38:50,107 --> 01:38:53,027
Speaker 3: started his third round he was only three shots back

1923
01:38:53,027 --> 01:38:54,547
Speaker 3: from the lead. He was nine under and the leaders

1924
01:38:54,547 --> 01:38:57,827
Speaker 3: were at twelve. So not a lot has changed, really,

1925
01:38:58,867 --> 01:39:07,747
Speaker 3: And this equation around which PGA Tour card could be

1926
01:39:07,867 --> 01:39:11,027
Speaker 3: his is really out of his hands. He can't keep

1927
01:39:11,067 --> 01:39:14,027
Speaker 3: eyes on what others are doing. He can't see where

1928
01:39:14,027 --> 01:39:16,467
Speaker 3: he is relative to the others who are also seeking

1929
01:39:16,507 --> 01:39:21,507
Speaker 3: that elusive and yet so valuable PGA Tour card. All

1930
01:39:21,547 --> 01:39:23,947
Speaker 3: he can do, Dan Hilly is what he always does.

1931
01:39:24,067 --> 01:39:27,107
Speaker 3: It's play the best eighteen holes he can. That's it,

1932
01:39:27,347 --> 01:39:29,627
Speaker 3: simple as that, and he's shown on this course that

1933
01:39:29,627 --> 01:39:31,987
Speaker 3: he's capable of doing it. Five under in the first round,

1934
01:39:32,067 --> 01:39:36,107
Speaker 3: four under in the second, another eighteen holes and who

1935
01:39:36,187 --> 01:39:39,267
Speaker 3: knows where he might turn up. Kazumi Kobori is the

1936
01:39:39,307 --> 01:39:41,947
Speaker 3: other key we in the field. He is six under.

1937
01:39:42,547 --> 01:39:45,387
Speaker 3: Kabori's underway at around six point thirty five tonight in

1938
01:39:45,427 --> 01:39:48,707
Speaker 3: New Zealand time. Dan Hilly will go about an hour

1939
01:39:48,787 --> 01:39:52,667
Speaker 3: after that. He is seventeenth, but as I say, only

1940
01:39:52,707 --> 01:39:58,547
Speaker 3: four shots back from the lead. Rory McElroy and Rasmus

1941
01:39:58,787 --> 01:40:03,427
Speaker 3: near Guard Peterson are the joint leaders at thirteen under.

1942
01:40:03,787 --> 01:40:06,507
Speaker 3: Bunch of pliers at twelve and eleven under and ten

1943
01:40:06,587 --> 01:40:08,387
Speaker 3: under as well as Yes, a tightly packed field well

1944
01:40:08,427 --> 01:40:12,547
Speaker 3: six sixteen players from thirteen under down to ten under.

1945
01:40:12,947 --> 01:40:15,507
Speaker 3: So it's anybody's tournament. Dan Hilly at tucked in there

1946
01:40:15,907 --> 01:40:19,027
Speaker 3: at nine under the card. Let's have a look at

1947
01:40:19,027 --> 01:40:21,787
Speaker 3: the cricket fourteen without lost New Zealand through Is there

1948
01:40:21,907 --> 01:40:25,187
Speaker 3: five overs, five overs, fourteen without loss or my eyes

1949
01:40:25,227 --> 01:40:28,627
Speaker 3: deceiving me, No, they're not. So a relatively sedate start

1950
01:40:29,227 --> 01:40:32,467
Speaker 3: for Devin Conway and Ruch and Revendra at Hagley Oval.

1951
01:40:32,507 --> 01:40:34,667
Speaker 3: It is fifty over game, not a T twenty after all,

1952
01:40:34,667 --> 01:40:39,227
Speaker 3: but Conway ten not out. Revendra unbeaten on three. New

1953
01:40:39,307 --> 01:40:42,227
Speaker 3: Zealand fourteen without loss after five overs have been having

1954
01:40:42,267 --> 01:40:44,347
Speaker 3: been sentence a bat by the West Indies in the

1955
01:40:44,347 --> 01:40:47,827
Speaker 3: first one day and the All Whites halftime in their

1956
01:40:47,827 --> 01:40:51,067
Speaker 3: match against Columbia. They trail by a Golton nill so

1957
01:40:51,147 --> 01:40:55,147
Speaker 3: one nil to Columbia over ther Whites at halftime two

1958
01:40:55,227 --> 01:40:57,467
Speaker 3: twenty five, Take a Break, Come Back, Talk, Some Olympic

1959
01:40:57,507 --> 01:41:00,227
Speaker 3: games and the schedule for LA twenty twenty eight.

1960
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Speaker 1: This is the biggest season sports are on Weekend Sports

1961
01:41:04,307 --> 01:41:08,467
Speaker 1: with Jason Time and GJ Nomes New Zealand's most trusted

1962
01:41:08,507 --> 01:41:10,187
Speaker 1: home builder, News Talks NB.

1963
01:41:10,787 --> 01:41:13,387
Speaker 3: Coming up to twenty eight on News Talks NB and

1964
01:41:13,467 --> 01:41:16,667
Speaker 3: Weekend Sport. The competition schedule for the twenty twenty eight

1965
01:41:16,747 --> 01:41:20,227
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Olympics has been unveiled. They will be the

1966
01:41:20,267 --> 01:41:24,387
Speaker 3: biggest Olympic Games ever, featuring thirty six sports and fifty

1967
01:41:24,387 --> 01:41:30,027
Speaker 3: one disciplines across forty nine competition venues in eighteen zones

1968
01:41:30,187 --> 01:41:35,107
Speaker 3: throughout Los Angeles and Oklahoma City. The Olympic opening ceremony

1969
01:41:35,187 --> 01:41:38,307
Speaker 3: will take place on the fourteenth of July twenty twenty eight,

1970
01:41:38,627 --> 01:41:42,987
Speaker 3: the closing ceremony on the thirtieth of July. Three time

1971
01:41:43,147 --> 01:41:48,427
Speaker 3: Olympian and men's Blacksticks triple Centurion. Ryan Archieboard is the

1972
01:41:48,427 --> 01:41:53,307
Speaker 3: New Zealand Olympic Committee's Team Services Director. He joins us now, Ryan,

1973
01:41:53,347 --> 01:41:55,907
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. What are your overall thoughts, first

1974
01:41:55,947 --> 01:41:58,827
Speaker 3: of all on the schedule for twenty twenty eight.

1975
01:42:00,387 --> 01:42:04,067
Speaker 31: Good a Piney. The schedule is extensive, you know, more

1976
01:42:04,107 --> 01:42:09,107
Speaker 31: sports than we're at the Paris Games, and to me,

1977
01:42:09,147 --> 01:42:12,627
Speaker 31: it's really exciting and it's fantastic that LA twenty eight

1978
01:42:12,707 --> 01:42:16,747
Speaker 31: have released such detailed information so early in the piece

1979
01:42:17,187 --> 01:42:21,347
Speaker 31: just makes I guess builds excitement but also makes planning

1980
01:42:21,347 --> 01:42:24,987
Speaker 31: for us here at MZOC and our sports that much easier.

1981
01:42:25,067 --> 01:42:27,107
Speaker 3: I was going to ask that because and you'll be

1982
01:42:27,147 --> 01:42:30,387
Speaker 3: able to confirm this. It seems like this information is available,

1983
01:42:30,587 --> 01:42:33,627
Speaker 3: you know, quite quite a way out. Is this earlier

1984
01:42:33,667 --> 01:42:34,307
Speaker 3: than usual?

1985
01:42:35,627 --> 01:42:36,707
Speaker 4: It is earlier than usual.

1986
01:42:37,467 --> 01:42:37,587
Speaker 7: You know.

1987
01:42:37,587 --> 01:42:40,147
Speaker 31: I had the benefit of being in LA spending some

1988
01:42:40,187 --> 01:42:44,067
Speaker 31: time with the organizing committee in May this year, and

1989
01:42:44,147 --> 01:42:46,147
Speaker 31: I was really impressed with how advanced they are with

1990
01:42:46,187 --> 01:42:48,467
Speaker 31: their planning. And I think a lot of that is

1991
01:42:48,467 --> 01:42:52,987
Speaker 31: actually driven by the commercial realities of this games. There's

1992
01:42:52,987 --> 01:42:55,747
Speaker 31: no public money as I understand it, going into the

1993
01:42:55,747 --> 01:42:58,667
Speaker 31: the LA Games, so you know, the organizing committee are

1994
01:42:58,707 --> 01:43:02,907
Speaker 31: really driven to generate revenue, so they're wanting to put

1995
01:43:02,947 --> 01:43:05,467
Speaker 31: things in place early so that they can sell tickets,

1996
01:43:05,507 --> 01:43:07,427
Speaker 31: get sponsors on board, and what have you. So I

1997
01:43:07,427 --> 01:43:09,547
Speaker 31: think that that commercial reality is driving a lot of

1998
01:43:09,547 --> 01:43:10,587
Speaker 31: this early action.

1999
01:43:11,067 --> 01:43:13,667
Speaker 3: One of the main talking points is the swapping of

2000
01:43:13,787 --> 01:43:16,867
Speaker 3: swimming and track and field. Traditionally, swimming takes place in

2001
01:43:16,907 --> 01:43:19,027
Speaker 3: the first week of the Olympics and then track and

2002
01:43:19,067 --> 01:43:22,107
Speaker 3: field in the second week. They flip that. Why have

2003
01:43:22,227 --> 01:43:22,747
Speaker 3: they done that?

2004
01:43:24,467 --> 01:43:29,227
Speaker 31: I think the reason for that is the venues the stadium. So,

2005
01:43:29,227 --> 01:43:33,947
Speaker 31: so swimming is going to be in an NFL stadium

2006
01:43:33,987 --> 01:43:36,787
Speaker 31: if you can believe that. So the Sofi Stadium, which

2007
01:43:36,867 --> 01:43:40,347
Speaker 31: is home to the La Rams, the organizing committee are

2008
01:43:40,387 --> 01:43:43,427
Speaker 31: going to put two Olympic sized swimming pools in that stadium,

2009
01:43:43,947 --> 01:43:47,187
Speaker 31: and so I think that move to have swimming in

2010
01:43:47,187 --> 01:43:51,987
Speaker 31: that venue is driving the change between swimming and athletics. So, yes,

2011
01:43:52,027 --> 01:43:56,227
Speaker 31: something different, something new for the Olympic Games. But I

2012
01:43:56,267 --> 01:43:58,387
Speaker 31: think the fact that, you know, putting swimming in an

2013
01:43:58,427 --> 01:44:02,587
Speaker 31: NFL stadium is going to be quite an exciting thing.

2014
01:44:02,587 --> 01:44:05,987
Speaker 31: It's going to allow for bigger crowds and a really

2015
01:44:05,987 --> 01:44:08,987
Speaker 31: innovation of way of going about delivering swimming for games.

2016
01:44:09,267 --> 01:44:11,787
Speaker 3: So just the clarity that could have happened in the

2017
01:44:11,827 --> 01:44:14,427
Speaker 3: first week. But is it also around the fact that

2018
01:44:14,427 --> 01:44:16,947
Speaker 3: they want to use that stadium for the opening ceremony

2019
01:44:17,027 --> 01:44:17,587
Speaker 3: or part of it.

2020
01:44:18,547 --> 01:44:20,987
Speaker 31: Yeah, I think that that certainly affectors into it. So

2021
01:44:21,627 --> 01:44:24,147
Speaker 31: the opening ceremony is going to be in two stadiums.

2022
01:44:24,187 --> 01:44:27,147
Speaker 31: It will be partly in Sofi Stadium and also in

2023
01:44:27,187 --> 01:44:31,907
Speaker 31: the coliseum, which held the opening ceremony for the previous

2024
01:44:32,107 --> 01:44:35,147
Speaker 31: time LA hosted the Olympics. Yeah, so I guess there's

2025
01:44:35,187 --> 01:44:39,547
Speaker 31: some logistical things that need to happen around that. Hints, hints,

2026
01:44:39,547 --> 01:44:42,067
Speaker 31: swimming has been been pushed back to the second half

2027
01:44:42,067 --> 01:44:42,547
Speaker 31: of the games.

2028
01:44:42,627 --> 01:44:45,467
Speaker 3: All right, Well, look forward to seeing how that affects

2029
01:44:45,787 --> 01:44:47,707
Speaker 3: or you know, what it changes in terms of our

2030
01:44:47,707 --> 01:44:50,307
Speaker 3: swimmers and our track and field athletes as they build

2031
01:44:50,387 --> 01:44:54,507
Speaker 3: towards the Games. What is your overall brief Ryan? As

2032
01:44:54,587 --> 01:44:56,747
Speaker 3: Team Services director, what is your job?

2033
01:44:58,307 --> 01:45:02,347
Speaker 31: So, my role in a nutshell is to plan and

2034
01:45:02,467 --> 01:45:06,627
Speaker 31: prepare the team for the games and to kind of

2035
01:45:06,667 --> 01:45:10,867
Speaker 31: execute the delivery of the team at games. And really

2036
01:45:10,947 --> 01:45:14,587
Speaker 31: when we think about delivering attends to games, it's about

2037
01:45:14,627 --> 01:45:17,867
Speaker 31: taking care of the Olympic overlay. Kind of the operations logistics,

2038
01:45:18,467 --> 01:45:22,507
Speaker 31: but it's also ensuring that that we create a performance

2039
01:45:22,587 --> 01:45:24,867
Speaker 31: environment at the games so that when our sports come in,

2040
01:45:24,947 --> 01:45:28,427
Speaker 31: when our athletes, coaches and what have you arrived at

2041
01:45:28,427 --> 01:45:31,107
Speaker 31: the games, they can just get on and do what

2042
01:45:31,147 --> 01:45:33,507
Speaker 31: they do best without having to worry about all that

2043
01:45:33,547 --> 01:45:35,587
Speaker 31: comes with a huge event like the Olympics.

2044
01:45:35,947 --> 01:45:39,067
Speaker 3: What are the main challenges you face in executing your role?

2045
01:45:40,547 --> 01:45:43,387
Speaker 25: Well, I think the context for each games is different,

2046
01:45:43,387 --> 01:45:48,947
Speaker 25: so the environment you're going into is different. Challenges can

2047
01:45:48,987 --> 01:45:51,347
Speaker 25: be can be plentiful. That can range from I guess

2048
01:45:51,347 --> 01:45:57,347
Speaker 25: the geographic dispersion of of sports across the city or

2049
01:45:57,387 --> 01:46:00,987
Speaker 25: across a country. You know, for example, Los Angeles, there's

2050
01:46:00,987 --> 01:46:03,547
Speaker 25: a couple of sports that are actually going to be

2051
01:46:03,587 --> 01:46:05,947
Speaker 25: based in Oklahoma, which is a four hour flights away

2052
01:46:05,947 --> 01:46:09,427
Speaker 25: from Los Angeles. We've got to make sure that we get,

2053
01:46:10,707 --> 01:46:12,547
Speaker 25: you know, all of our teams that are competing, all

2054
01:46:12,587 --> 01:46:15,787
Speaker 25: of our individual athletes, our teams to the games. So

2055
01:46:15,827 --> 01:46:19,467
Speaker 25: there's a really big logistical component behind delivering the team

2056
01:46:19,547 --> 01:46:22,067
Speaker 25: for games, so that you know, those are just just

2057
01:46:22,107 --> 01:46:24,747
Speaker 25: a few of the challenges, but it varies depending on

2058
01:46:24,787 --> 01:46:25,227
Speaker 25: the location.

2059
01:46:25,827 --> 01:46:27,987
Speaker 3: And twenty twenty eight does seem like a way way off,

2060
01:46:27,987 --> 01:46:30,507
Speaker 3: but I'm sure you've got it sort of all planned

2061
01:46:30,547 --> 01:46:33,547
Speaker 3: out to the day between now in July of twenty

2062
01:46:33,587 --> 01:46:36,427
Speaker 3: twenty eight. What are the key landmarks for you between

2063
01:46:36,867 --> 01:46:38,787
Speaker 3: now and then, in particular over the next year to

2064
01:46:38,787 --> 01:46:39,587
Speaker 3: eighteen months or so.

2065
01:46:40,787 --> 01:46:43,107
Speaker 31: Yeah, I mean it's interesting. So, you know, planning for

2066
01:46:44,187 --> 01:46:46,787
Speaker 31: a pinnacle event like the Olympics, you know we're starting,

2067
01:46:47,147 --> 01:46:51,027
Speaker 31: you know, three to four years out. We've already you know,

2068
01:46:51,107 --> 01:46:56,627
Speaker 31: locked in additional accommodations. The Olympic village is going to

2069
01:46:56,627 --> 01:46:59,827
Speaker 31: be at UCLA, but that never has enough beds through everybody,

2070
01:46:59,867 --> 01:47:02,347
Speaker 31: so we're already looking to see what we can provide

2071
01:47:02,707 --> 01:47:05,387
Speaker 31: around that area for the team. But we've also got

2072
01:47:05,427 --> 01:47:09,947
Speaker 31: a number of other events before Los Angeles. So while

2073
01:47:09,987 --> 01:47:12,627
Speaker 31: we're kind of ticking some Los Angeles milestones off, we've

2074
01:47:12,627 --> 01:47:15,627
Speaker 31: still got the Winter Olympics to deliver next year, We've

2075
01:47:15,627 --> 01:47:18,267
Speaker 31: got the Commonwealth Games to deliver next year, and also

2076
01:47:18,267 --> 01:47:21,827
Speaker 31: we used Olympics later in twenty twenty six, so it's

2077
01:47:21,867 --> 01:47:25,067
Speaker 31: kind of never stops really for us at INSIDOC when

2078
01:47:25,067 --> 01:47:28,187
Speaker 31: it comes to planning and delivering games, and so we

2079
01:47:28,307 --> 01:47:32,067
Speaker 31: kind of you know, Los Angeles obviously being incredibly important.

2080
01:47:32,107 --> 01:47:33,347
Speaker 31: We kind of just sort of add that to the

2081
01:47:33,747 --> 01:47:35,107
Speaker 31: menu of things that we're working on.

2082
01:47:35,467 --> 01:47:38,627
Speaker 3: Do you even start thinking about twenty thirty two yet

2083
01:47:38,867 --> 01:47:39,067
Speaker 3: or not?

2084
01:47:41,827 --> 01:47:43,187
Speaker 9: Yes, in a sense we are.

2085
01:47:43,907 --> 01:47:48,347
Speaker 31: We're thinking about twenty twenty to twenty thirty two more

2086
01:47:48,427 --> 01:47:54,387
Speaker 31: from a probably a commercial perspective, So INSIDOC has some

2087
01:47:54,467 --> 01:47:58,627
Speaker 31: operations and building up our kind of support on the

2088
01:47:58,667 --> 01:48:01,027
Speaker 31: ground in twenty thirty two in terms of how we

2089
01:48:01,067 --> 01:48:07,187
Speaker 31: fund the team, you know where we're largely commercially thundered organization,

2090
01:48:08,147 --> 01:48:12,107
Speaker 31: so we do think, you know, several cycles ahead in

2091
01:48:12,187 --> 01:48:15,467
Speaker 31: terms of I guess how sustainability is an organization and

2092
01:48:15,507 --> 01:48:17,067
Speaker 31: how we will fund teams?

2093
01:48:17,067 --> 01:48:17,667
Speaker 35: Two games?

2094
01:48:17,787 --> 01:48:20,907
Speaker 3: All right, Well, it is, as I say, a little

2095
01:48:20,947 --> 01:48:22,387
Speaker 3: way off, but it's going to rush up. And in

2096
01:48:22,387 --> 01:48:25,747
Speaker 3: true American fashion, they love doing things on a large scale,

2097
01:48:25,787 --> 01:48:27,867
Speaker 3: don't they. As you say, a couple of Olympic sized

2098
01:48:27,867 --> 01:48:32,587
Speaker 3: swimming pools inside a NFL stadium opening ceremony across two

2099
01:48:32,787 --> 01:48:36,747
Speaker 3: different venues. Are you aware of other sort of innovations

2100
01:48:36,747 --> 01:48:40,587
Speaker 3: that the organizing committee have planned for us for twenty twenty.

2101
01:48:40,347 --> 01:48:43,747
Speaker 31: Eight All they do certainly like to do it, but

2102
01:48:44,067 --> 01:48:47,547
Speaker 31: I know, I'm sure I'll be keeping a few surprises

2103
01:48:48,027 --> 01:48:50,947
Speaker 31: under apps, but you know, from what I've seen to date,

2104
01:48:52,427 --> 01:48:56,267
Speaker 31: you know, LA's blessed with some fantastic facilities. You know,

2105
01:48:56,387 --> 01:49:01,387
Speaker 31: has a number of existing professional professional franchises with stadiums,

2106
01:49:01,387 --> 01:49:04,627
Speaker 31: so the facilities are going to be absolutely brilliant. So

2107
01:49:05,227 --> 01:49:07,587
Speaker 31: you know, my expectation is that it'll be a really

2108
01:49:07,627 --> 01:49:11,187
Speaker 31: slick games and provide a great experience for throw athletes

2109
01:49:11,187 --> 01:49:13,427
Speaker 31: who are competing. But also you know, I guess the

2110
01:49:13,747 --> 01:49:16,227
Speaker 31: hundreds of New Zealanders that will be there to support

2111
01:49:16,227 --> 01:49:16,667
Speaker 31: the team.

2112
01:49:16,747 --> 01:49:18,547
Speaker 3: All right, brilliant. Ryan, Hey, thank you so much for

2113
01:49:18,547 --> 01:49:20,627
Speaker 3: the update this afternoon. Really appreciate your time.

2114
01:49:20,827 --> 01:49:21,387
Speaker 4: You're welcome.

2115
01:49:21,747 --> 01:49:25,627
Speaker 3: That's Ryan archiebald here is the New Zealand Olympic Committee's

2116
01:49:25,627 --> 01:49:30,227
Speaker 3: Team Services Director. So the Shedge lad already for twenty

2117
01:49:30,307 --> 01:49:36,427
Speaker 3: twenty eight, fourteen million tickets are on sale. Fourteen million.

2118
01:49:37,067 --> 01:49:40,467
Speaker 3: Goodness me, I think I read that Los Angeles or

2119
01:49:40,467 --> 01:49:42,267
Speaker 3: did Ryan just say it is the first one that

2120
01:49:42,387 --> 01:49:47,307
Speaker 3: has no public funding. It's all privately funded, so I

2121
01:49:47,307 --> 01:49:48,987
Speaker 3: guess that's why they got to sell all the tickets.

2122
01:49:49,507 --> 01:49:52,347
Speaker 3: The interesting part, the most interesting part is the flipping

2123
01:49:52,347 --> 01:49:54,547
Speaker 3: of the of the Athletics and the swimming, and the

2124
01:49:54,587 --> 01:49:57,147
Speaker 3: fact that there are changes within the track and field

2125
01:49:57,147 --> 01:50:00,547
Speaker 3: program as well, in that the one hundred meters, the

2126
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Speaker 3: women's hundred meters will all happen on the first day semisi.

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01:50:06,627 --> 01:50:11,227
Speaker 3: The heats first, heats, semis final, so those who make

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01:50:11,267 --> 01:50:13,187
Speaker 3: the final of the women's one hundred meters, and then

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01:50:13,227 --> 01:50:16,467
Speaker 3: on day two the men's one hundred meters. We'll all

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01:50:16,547 --> 01:50:20,867
Speaker 3: run three times on that day. Normally it's a semi

2131
01:50:21,347 --> 01:50:23,387
Speaker 3: and a final on the same day the heats normally

2132
01:50:23,427 --> 01:50:27,547
Speaker 3: the previous day. Certainly it's split over two days, but no,

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Speaker 3: they want to hit with a bang. So Zoey Hobbs,

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Speaker 3: who will no doubt be there in LA in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty eight. Well, hopefully fingers crossed run three times on

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Speaker 3: the opening day, a heat, a semi, and hopefully the

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01:50:41,947 --> 01:50:44,147
Speaker 3: women's one hundred meter final, and then the men will

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01:50:44,187 --> 01:50:46,627
Speaker 3: do that on the second day. The front loaded a

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01:50:46,627 --> 01:50:48,907
Speaker 3: lot of the big events at the track and field.

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01:50:49,187 --> 01:50:51,827
Speaker 3: I think I guess to hit with a bang and

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01:50:52,427 --> 01:50:54,307
Speaker 3: the track and field will finish and then the swimming

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01:50:54,347 --> 01:50:58,027
Speaker 3: will take place. It'll be quite a change from what

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01:50:58,147 --> 01:51:00,907
Speaker 3: we used to where Olympics always start with the swimming

2144
01:51:00,947 --> 01:51:02,147
Speaker 3: for a week and then we get ready for the

2145
01:51:02,147 --> 01:51:05,627
Speaker 3: track and field. Flip it around, flip it around, updating

2146
01:51:05,627 --> 01:51:08,107
Speaker 3: you on the cricket. New Zealand have lost a couple

2147
01:51:08,107 --> 01:51:11,667
Speaker 3: of quick wickets right and Ravendra caught behind by Shay

2148
01:51:11,747 --> 01:51:15,707
Speaker 3: Hope off the bowling of Matthew Ford for four. Will

2149
01:51:15,787 --> 01:51:18,307
Speaker 3: Young came in and lasted just one delivery. He was

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01:51:18,347 --> 01:51:21,467
Speaker 3: out an identical fashion, caught behind by Hope off the

2151
01:51:21,467 --> 01:51:24,747
Speaker 3: bowling of Ford for a first ball duck. Daryl Mitchell

2152
01:51:24,787 --> 01:51:26,907
Speaker 3: survived the hat trick. He has yet to score. Devin

2153
01:51:26,947 --> 01:51:31,467
Speaker 3: Conways out there on nineteen seven overs gone and it's usual.

2154
01:51:31,507 --> 01:51:34,387
Speaker 3: I'm making pretty heavy weather of this. Twenty four for two,

2155
01:51:34,547 --> 01:51:37,747
Speaker 3: twenty four for two into now the eighth over and

2156
01:51:37,787 --> 01:51:40,507
Speaker 3: then the football the back after halftime, Columbia leading the

2157
01:51:40,587 --> 01:51:44,147
Speaker 3: All Whites by a goal to knell, twenty two away

2158
01:51:44,147 --> 01:51:46,027
Speaker 3: from three. We'll take a break, come back and talk

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Speaker 3: to one of our great servants of hockey, Blacksticks former

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01:51:50,867 --> 01:51:55,147
Speaker 3: defender and former captain as well. Blair Tarrant has decided

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Speaker 3: that he has had enough of international hockey. He has

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01:52:00,067 --> 01:52:05,267
Speaker 3: called it a day after an extremely impressive career. So

2163
01:52:05,347 --> 01:52:07,067
Speaker 3: how did he know? And you know, it was time.

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Speaker 3: Blair Tarrant going to join us on Weekend Sport after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't get caught off side eight Weekend Sports with Jason

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Speaker 3: Coming up to forty two Sunday afternoon on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 3: After an incredible career spanning over fifteen years, Blacksticks men's

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Speaker 3: defender and former captain Blair Tarrant has announced his retirement

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01:52:33,427 --> 01:52:37,307
Speaker 3: from international hockey. He's been to three Olympic Games, three

2172
01:52:37,387 --> 01:52:41,347
Speaker 3: Commonwealth Games and three World Cups, racking up two hundred

2173
01:52:41,747 --> 01:52:45,507
Speaker 3: and seventy two matches for the national side. Blair Tarrant

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Speaker 3: has with US congratulations made on a stellar career. How

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01:52:49,307 --> 01:52:50,587
Speaker 3: did you know that it was time?

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01:52:51,907 --> 01:52:52,187
Speaker 28: Yes?

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Speaker 36: Thanks, I kind of felt like it was time, probably

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01:52:56,147 --> 01:52:58,827
Speaker 36: about six months ago and then yeah, feel feel good

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01:52:58,867 --> 01:52:59,267
Speaker 36: about it now.

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01:52:59,347 --> 01:53:02,187
Speaker 3: To be honest, did any part of you want to

2181
01:53:02,187 --> 01:53:02,547
Speaker 3: carry on?

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01:53:03,747 --> 01:53:03,947
Speaker 30: Oh?

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01:53:04,067 --> 01:53:06,187
Speaker 36: There was there's a World Cup next year, so there

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01:53:06,227 --> 01:53:08,187
Speaker 36: was a small part of me that was considering whether

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01:53:09,067 --> 01:53:12,067
Speaker 36: to push through to that, but the time had passed definitely.

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01:53:12,667 --> 01:53:14,947
Speaker 3: Well how do you know, though, because I'm sure if

2187
01:53:14,947 --> 01:53:16,867
Speaker 3: you carried on you could go to that World Cup

2188
01:53:16,947 --> 01:53:20,747
Speaker 3: and who knows beyond that? What was your decision making process?

2189
01:53:20,787 --> 01:53:22,987
Speaker 3: And once you did make the decision, as you say,

2190
01:53:22,987 --> 01:53:25,467
Speaker 3: were you're pretty comfortable with it?

2191
01:53:25,547 --> 01:53:26,307
Speaker 25: Actually a good question.

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Speaker 36: I think there's a couple of things. The first thing

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Speaker 36: is there's a bunch of young guys who are really good,

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01:53:30,667 --> 01:53:33,067
Speaker 36: and I reckon they need a good runway to the

2195
01:53:33,107 --> 01:53:35,347
Speaker 36: next Olympics. And then on the flip side, the body

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01:53:35,387 --> 01:53:38,027
Speaker 36: is getting pretty sure. So that kind of answered my

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01:53:38,107 --> 01:53:38,947
Speaker 36: question of it there as well.

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Speaker 3: You daboot for the national team at the age of

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Speaker 3: what nineteen twenty. Did you feel ready for international hockey

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01:53:46,187 --> 01:53:46,987
Speaker 3: when you debuted?

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01:53:48,467 --> 01:53:48,627
Speaker 1: No?

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01:53:48,907 --> 01:53:53,147
Speaker 36: Probably not. I think in New Zealand sometimes we get

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01:53:53,187 --> 01:53:56,067
Speaker 36: chucked in reasonably young because of the depths in this country,

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01:53:56,107 --> 01:53:58,467
Speaker 36: and it takes a while to get to that level.

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01:53:58,627 --> 01:54:01,627
Speaker 36: So I think the truth is no, not at the start.

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Speaker 3: And how long did it take? When did you start

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01:54:05,267 --> 01:54:07,587
Speaker 3: to feel comfortable at international level?

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01:54:09,187 --> 01:54:12,107
Speaker 36: It kind of comes in swings, like there was a

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Speaker 36: period where you know, you might get a bit of form,

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01:54:13,907 --> 01:54:16,587
Speaker 36: and then I think after maybe a year or so

2211
01:54:16,667 --> 01:54:19,147
Speaker 36: in the environment, I started feeling confident in every part

2212
01:54:19,147 --> 01:54:22,267
Speaker 36: of the game. But it takes You need to keep

2213
01:54:22,267 --> 01:54:24,107
Speaker 36: developing your whole career, and I tried to do that

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01:54:24,147 --> 01:54:24,827
Speaker 36: my whole way through.

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Speaker 3: How did your game evolve and develop during your time

2216
01:54:28,587 --> 01:54:29,627
Speaker 3: in the national side.

2217
01:54:31,427 --> 01:54:33,867
Speaker 36: I think my on boll hockey got better and as

2218
01:54:33,867 --> 01:54:36,267
Speaker 36: I got older, my defending got worse, So it was

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01:54:36,707 --> 01:54:39,107
Speaker 36: a bit of a mixpag, I reckon.

2220
01:54:41,107 --> 01:54:43,827
Speaker 3: And what about the game of hockey itself? Did did

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01:54:44,267 --> 01:54:48,227
Speaker 3: the game of hockey change and evolve significantly in terms

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Speaker 3: of the way it was played during your time at

2223
01:54:50,667 --> 01:54:51,027
Speaker 3: the top?

2224
01:54:52,547 --> 01:54:55,787
Speaker 36: Yeah, it had a lot actually, like rule changes, et cetera.

2225
01:54:57,027 --> 01:54:59,867
Speaker 36: The biggest change for me these days is probably the

2226
01:54:59,987 --> 01:55:03,107
Speaker 36: ability to players have with the highball, so the ability

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01:55:03,147 --> 01:55:04,707
Speaker 36: to receive it and the ability to had it on

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01:55:04,747 --> 01:55:07,707
Speaker 36: a dime to be defenses. I reckon, that's probably the

2229
01:55:07,747 --> 01:55:11,267
Speaker 36: biggest change I've seen. Also, the cool thing about hockey

2230
01:55:11,347 --> 01:55:15,787
Speaker 36: is every kind of area in the world plays quite differently,

2231
01:55:15,907 --> 01:55:18,587
Speaker 36: so we do playing against an Asian team or European team,

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01:55:19,027 --> 01:55:21,547
Speaker 36: It's like it's quite unique in the way each team plays.

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01:55:21,547 --> 01:55:23,347
Speaker 36: And I reckon, that's yeah, that's quite cool.

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Speaker 25: Fockey.

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01:55:24,147 --> 01:55:26,267
Speaker 3: What were the hallmarks of the way the Black Sticks played?

2236
01:55:26,267 --> 01:55:28,867
Speaker 3: What was in the Black Sticks Hockey DNA during your

2237
01:55:28,907 --> 01:55:30,347
Speaker 3: time in the team.

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Speaker 36: Yeah, I think when we're at our best, we are

2239
01:55:33,427 --> 01:55:35,827
Speaker 36: really dangerous on the counter attack and we play a

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Speaker 36: skillful game and we have to keep leaning into that

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01:55:39,427 --> 01:55:41,467
Speaker 36: because you know it is hard at the top, but

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01:55:41,747 --> 01:55:44,827
Speaker 36: that for me, we are dangerous on the counter and

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01:55:44,867 --> 01:55:47,067
Speaker 36: we have individual ability when we're at our best.

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Speaker 3: Does anything in particular stand out as a career highlight?

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01:55:52,907 --> 01:55:59,427
Speaker 36: Oh, not no tournament in particular, but probably just the

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01:55:59,907 --> 01:56:01,827
Speaker 36: environment at times when it was at its best, Like

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01:56:01,867 --> 01:56:03,947
Speaker 36: it's so fun to be in and then you go

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01:56:03,987 --> 01:56:06,787
Speaker 36: through the hard times which make it even better when

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01:56:06,787 --> 01:56:08,467
Speaker 36: you push through when the team's going well again. So

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Speaker 36: probably the reflecting on that in terms of, you know,

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Speaker 36: getting the team through tough times to then launch into

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01:56:13,627 --> 01:56:15,187
Speaker 36: the future probably might highlight.

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01:56:15,707 --> 01:56:18,187
Speaker 3: And you captain the side for a five year period

2254
01:56:18,187 --> 01:56:20,227
Speaker 3: which took in the COVID years as well, which must

2255
01:56:20,267 --> 01:56:22,707
Speaker 3: have been a challenge in itself. What was your leadership

2256
01:56:22,747 --> 01:56:24,147
Speaker 3: style in the Black Sticks?

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01:56:25,827 --> 01:56:29,707
Speaker 36: I think reasonably direct when it comes to hockey, but

2258
01:56:29,787 --> 01:56:32,587
Speaker 36: also just trying to trying to build a connection with

2259
01:56:32,627 --> 01:56:35,027
Speaker 36: every player and the team don't always get it right,

2260
01:56:35,067 --> 01:56:38,627
Speaker 36: but yeah, connections first and then yeah, pretty direct when

2261
01:56:38,667 --> 01:56:39,827
Speaker 36: it comes to hockey yourself.

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01:56:40,467 --> 01:56:43,387
Speaker 3: You may mention of it before. With some youngsters coming through,

2263
01:56:43,587 --> 01:56:47,227
Speaker 3: how do you evaluate where the high performance means programmers?

2264
01:56:47,787 --> 01:56:48,307
Speaker 3: Right now?

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01:56:51,267 --> 01:56:54,987
Speaker 36: The black Sticks themselves, the men, I think have a

2266
01:56:54,987 --> 01:56:56,587
Speaker 36: lot of talent in there, and I think they could

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01:56:56,587 --> 01:56:58,787
Speaker 36: do something secue in the next two years. But I'm

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01:56:58,787 --> 01:57:02,067
Speaker 36: an optimist and I like to think that. But yeah,

2269
01:57:02,227 --> 01:57:04,267
Speaker 36: I think it's in a good space in the men's

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01:57:04,307 --> 01:57:05,507
Speaker 36: side and the women as well.

2271
01:57:05,667 --> 01:57:07,867
Speaker 3: What are the challenge I'm just facing the game here.

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01:57:09,147 --> 01:57:11,707
Speaker 36: Oh, look, the challenges are we're on the other side

2273
01:57:11,707 --> 01:57:15,907
Speaker 36: of the world and it's expensive, so for young guys

2274
01:57:15,907 --> 01:57:21,587
Speaker 36: to get exposed to top tournaments, top coaching, etc. You know,

2275
01:57:21,747 --> 01:57:23,467
Speaker 36: like it's hard from the start of the world, but

2276
01:57:24,307 --> 01:57:25,627
Speaker 36: you know we can still make it work.

2277
01:57:26,747 --> 01:57:27,707
Speaker 3: Do you think you'll miss it.

2278
01:57:30,707 --> 01:57:34,027
Speaker 36: I don't think I'll miss playing at the highest level

2279
01:57:34,027 --> 01:57:36,707
Speaker 36: anymore because that's passed in my mind. But I'll definitely

2280
01:57:36,747 --> 01:57:39,827
Speaker 36: miss being around the guys and then working really hard

2281
01:57:39,867 --> 01:57:41,187
Speaker 36: collectively to make something happen.

2282
01:57:42,187 --> 01:57:43,547
Speaker 3: Will you stay involved in the game.

2283
01:57:44,307 --> 01:57:46,427
Speaker 36: Yeah, I enjoy coaching, so I'm doing a bit of

2284
01:57:46,427 --> 01:57:48,707
Speaker 36: coaching at the moment, and yeah, I really enjoyed that.

2285
01:57:48,787 --> 01:57:49,827
Speaker 36: So I'll stand bolved.

2286
01:57:50,067 --> 01:57:51,947
Speaker 3: Do you reckon though, You'll be coaching and then you'll think,

2287
01:57:51,947 --> 01:57:53,307
Speaker 3: oh gee, I could get back out there.

2288
01:57:55,067 --> 01:57:56,587
Speaker 36: Yeah, my ego will think that.

2289
01:57:58,067 --> 01:57:58,747
Speaker 9: It'll be wrong.

2290
01:58:01,027 --> 01:58:03,107
Speaker 3: Lovably, I love it well, mate, It's been an absolutely

2291
01:58:03,187 --> 01:58:06,707
Speaker 3: magnificent career. Congratulations on it. I'm glad you're staying in

2292
01:58:06,747 --> 01:58:08,827
Speaker 3: the game, mate. Thanks for taking the time for chat

2293
01:58:08,867 --> 01:58:09,507
Speaker 3: this afternoon.

2294
01:58:10,067 --> 01:58:12,187
Speaker 36: Yeah, awesome. Thanks for chatting to me, mack No, thank.

2295
01:58:11,987 --> 01:58:14,147
Speaker 3: You for chatting to me. Blair Blair Tarrant there, who

2296
01:58:14,227 --> 01:58:17,467
Speaker 3: has announced his international retirement from hockey fifteen years in

2297
01:58:17,507 --> 01:58:20,907
Speaker 3: the national side, two hundred and seventy two matches, three Olympics,

2298
01:58:20,907 --> 01:58:24,667
Speaker 3: three Commonwealth Games, three World Cups as well. I'm going

2299
01:58:24,707 --> 01:58:27,787
Speaker 3: to circle back to the rugby just very briefly. Billy

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01:58:27,827 --> 01:58:31,187
Speaker 3: Proctor a start at center for the All Blacks this

2301
01:58:31,267 --> 01:58:34,427
Speaker 3: morning against England at Twickenham, our team on the grand

2302
01:58:34,427 --> 01:58:36,867
Speaker 3: theyre caught up with them afterwards to find out, first

2303
01:58:36,867 --> 01:58:38,547
Speaker 3: of all, where he thought the game got away from

2304
01:58:38,587 --> 01:58:39,387
Speaker 3: the All Blacks.

2305
01:58:39,667 --> 01:58:44,987
Speaker 16: You know, I think we created opportunities, you know, we

2306
01:58:45,147 --> 01:58:50,267
Speaker 16: just don't execute, you know, especially in that last probably

2307
01:58:50,307 --> 01:58:54,947
Speaker 16: twenty when we were down was it twelve. Maybe you know,

2308
01:58:54,987 --> 01:58:58,307
Speaker 16: we had pretty opportunities to get back in front, and

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01:58:58,787 --> 01:59:00,587
Speaker 16: you know we took one of them, brought it down

2310
01:59:00,587 --> 01:59:03,867
Speaker 16: to six and then didn't take the other ones and

2311
01:59:04,307 --> 01:59:09,307
Speaker 16: they probably took their So yeah, things to reflect on

2312
01:59:09,347 --> 01:59:12,107
Speaker 16: and look back we get to our review process.

2313
01:59:12,147 --> 01:59:14,147
Speaker 21: I feel England sort of took the momentum just before

2314
01:59:14,187 --> 01:59:17,227
Speaker 21: halftime with those drop goals, and then after half time

2315
01:59:17,227 --> 01:59:18,307
Speaker 21: we're able to get on top.

2316
01:59:19,467 --> 01:59:23,267
Speaker 16: Uh maybe a little bit, but we were still on

2317
01:59:23,267 --> 01:59:25,827
Speaker 16: top of half. We were still up at halftime. We

2318
01:59:25,947 --> 01:59:29,787
Speaker 16: mentioned that and again even in the first half there

2319
01:59:29,787 --> 01:59:31,707
Speaker 16: were a few that we missed and you know, they

2320
01:59:31,747 --> 01:59:35,547
Speaker 16: hit two drop goals, but you know we still were

2321
01:59:35,627 --> 01:59:39,707
Speaker 16: up and you know, back ourselves in that situation to

2322
01:59:39,707 --> 01:59:41,547
Speaker 16: finish Caam you.

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01:59:41,507 --> 01:59:44,987
Speaker 35: Can give us a sense of thus going in the camp,

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01:59:44,987 --> 01:59:47,747
Speaker 35: you know, you were chasing this great slams time of

2325
01:59:47,787 --> 01:59:49,907
Speaker 35: fifteen years, won the first three games, came here with

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01:59:49,987 --> 01:59:52,547
Speaker 35: a lot of belief and you sort of sum up

2327
01:59:52,587 --> 01:59:53,547
Speaker 35: the sentimental years.

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01:59:54,187 --> 01:59:55,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, we disappointed.

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01:59:56,747 --> 02:00:00,587
Speaker 16: The whole goal coming over here was to complete the

2330
02:00:00,627 --> 02:00:04,107
Speaker 16: Grand Slam, and obviously that I guess that's failed tonight.

2331
02:00:05,947 --> 02:00:07,907
Speaker 16: But again we just have a look at ourselves and

2332
02:00:07,907 --> 02:00:10,747
Speaker 16: then take the learnings onto next week because you know

2333
02:00:10,787 --> 02:00:14,187
Speaker 16: we're another game, you know, to to prepare for.

2334
02:00:15,667 --> 02:00:17,147
Speaker 7: And get through the all black Jersey prowd.

2335
02:00:18,227 --> 02:00:19,907
Speaker 2: He feels that third quarter again.

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02:00:20,787 --> 02:00:23,627
Speaker 22: You know, I came out after the break, no penalties

2337
02:00:23,627 --> 02:00:25,467
Speaker 22: in the first heart which is kind of UnHerd of

2338
02:00:26,227 --> 02:00:28,867
Speaker 22: yellow card England search two tries.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the Yeah, that was a period where they.

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Speaker 7: Took control of the game.

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Speaker 16: That poor potentially Obviously we've talked about discipline and yeah,

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Speaker 16: we get a card early, which is an ideal, but

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Speaker 16: again we still back ourselves to find a way out. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: to find a way and and and when and again

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Speaker 16: we create opportunities to put ourselves in that position. We

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Speaker 16: just didn't didn't finish, which is probably disappointing.

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Speaker 3: Part Billy brought us speaking to the media after the

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Speaker 3: loss to England at Twickenham this morning. Usually on the

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Speaker 3: thirty six for two in the cricket and the tenth

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Speaker 3: over batting first against the West and East, Devin Conway

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Speaker 3: on and on twenty three Daryl Mitchell is there on six,

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Speaker 3: ritch in Ravendra for four and Will Young for a duck.

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Speaker 3: Are the men out and still one nil? Between Columbia

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Speaker 3: and New Zealand after an hour of their international football

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Speaker 3: friendly in the United States. Nine to three New STALKSB.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails. Weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason m News Talk ZENB.

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Speaker 3: Coming up two fifty four and coming up to the

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Speaker 3: end of the show. That's pretty much us on Weekend

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Speaker 3: Sport for today. Tim Beveridge is your host after three

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Speaker 3: for the Weekend Collective Sunday edition with his three hours

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Speaker 3: of audio Gold. As per usual, no doubt. We're back

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Speaker 3: tomorrow night on Sports Talk between seven and eight to

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Speaker 3: wrap the week and well, I guess pick over the

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Speaker 3: bones of the All Blacks. I'm sure that there'll still

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Speaker 3: be more to be said tomorrow, as we've had the

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Speaker 3: chance to sleep on it perhaps and think more about it.

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Speaker 3: Huge thanks for all of those who took the time

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Speaker 3: to contribute this afternoon to the show. Just a mountain

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Speaker 3: of text messages and feedback. I'm constantly amazed, I must say,

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Speaker 3: by the intelligent thinking of the Weekend Sport audience and

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Speaker 3: the very very sound and logical suggestions you make on text.

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Speaker 3: There are others as well who well maybe there the

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Speaker 3: logic isn't quite so sound, but you cannot doubt their passion.

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Speaker 3: Massive thanks to Andy McDonald for pulling the show together

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Speaker 3: as always. Thanks mate. Enjoy your afternoon. I hope it's say,

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Speaker 3: are relaxing one. I hope you enjoyed your afternoon as well.

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Speaker 3: Taking us out today Robbie Williams with one of the

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Speaker 3: universal truths of sport. You win some, you lose some,

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Speaker 3: said them A name.

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Speaker 24: That Sabbath, so.

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Speaker 9: S the.

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Speaker 24: W you win, so your little sun sab you so

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Speaker 24: the up in everyone you win?

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Speaker 29: Son you so Duscott vows gone home. You will shun

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Speaker 29: your new son. Now's got, now's gone you.

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Speaker 15: Will so you will so nows go.

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Speaker 24: Now let's gone.

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Speaker 7: You have.

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Speaker 24: Now let's gone.

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Speaker 15: Now it's gone.

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Speaker 24: You have some you know some wins.

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