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Speaker 1: Now it looks like there's been another big health hack.

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Speaker 1: This time it's the online medication platform medimap. As a result,

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Speaker 1: some patients who are very much alive are now list

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Speaker 1: that is dead, and some have had their names changed

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Speaker 1: to Charlie Kirk Nadia Yusuf as the new Zealand manager

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Speaker 1: for sisolens Hi Nadia hither.

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Speaker 2: How are you well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Are the details of this one as bizarre

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Speaker 1: to you as they are to me?

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Speaker 2: Well, the details around this one missing and this is

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Speaker 2: a really key difference between this one and Manage my Health,

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Speaker 2: where it was very clear that that information had been

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Speaker 2: taken and was being used for ransom. This one is

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Speaker 2: a little bit more unusual, certainly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So why would hackers and we are assuming it's

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Speaker 1: a hack rather than some mischievous staff member, but why

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Speaker 1: would hackers get in there and list people is dead

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Speaker 1: and change people's names.

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Speaker 2: There's all sorts of silly reasons that people would do something,

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Speaker 2: you know, sabotaged like this, and part of it might

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Speaker 2: just be trying to build up a little bit of

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Speaker 2: credibility to say, hey, look at this thing that I did.

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Speaker 2: I can and I want to show you that I

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Speaker 2: can but you know, it's well, it is a crime,

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Speaker 2: but it's not quite as severe as extortion or blackmail

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Speaker 2: or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Do we know though that there is no extortion or

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Speaker 1: blackmail here.

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Speaker 2: This is not much information at all that's come out

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Speaker 2: about this one. It's not clear who did it. It's

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Speaker 2: very unclear why. There's I think a lot more to

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Speaker 2: follow over the next few days.

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Speaker 1: If and we're making an assumption here, but if they

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Speaker 1: actually did take off with some data, what are they

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Speaker 1: using it for? Why a hack is interested in Is

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Speaker 1: it for the ransom in order to extort the money

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Speaker 1: to give the data back, or are they actually on

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Speaker 1: selling it for I don't know. Voinessing scams.

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Speaker 2: Like any business. I guess there's a range of different

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Speaker 2: motivators for scammers, and there's different things that they do

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Speaker 2: with different information. Medical information is particularly valuable, right for

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Speaker 2: extortion and blackmail and things.

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Speaker 1: Like that, because it's embarrasseding, horrendous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so people could you know, feasibly extort you

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Speaker 2: based on previous medical history or maybe some details about

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Speaker 2: mental health issues or something that. Yeah, the things you

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Speaker 2: don't want out there publicly, But it's you know, it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's a horrible, heinous crime and hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 2: unsuccessful generally, and that's what we're asking people to do,

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Speaker 2: is just to be aware of you know, there's also

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Speaker 2: scam emails that come out saying that we found your

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Speaker 2: information and the start of dump and we're blackmailing you,

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Speaker 2: but actually it's not real, there's nothing behind it. So

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Speaker 2: there's lots of opportunists out there.

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Speaker 1: Now, have we got a problem here that we've had

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Speaker 1: two of these big hacks in just a couple of months.

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Speaker 2: It's not a good indication. Certainly, two and two months

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Speaker 2: of New Zealand's major health platforms is extraordinarily concerning. I

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Speaker 2: don't know that that's going to calm down. We've seen

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Speaker 2: years of it going on across the ditch overseas with

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Speaker 2: some of the big names in Australia as well. It's

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Speaker 2: definitely not slowing down. And AI is making it a

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Speaker 2: little bit easier so to do some of these attacks

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Speaker 2: and to find some of these weaknesses.

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Speaker 1: Nadia, if you are a person out there who does

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Speaker 1: have some embarrassing stuff that you know is listed in

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Speaker 1: your medical data, is it possible to have to request

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Speaker 1: it be removed from your history? Or is it unfortunately

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Speaker 1: one of these things where you can't and you just

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Speaker 1: have to rely on these guys to have really good systems.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard to know. Different different offices, different gps

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Speaker 2: will use different systems and they'll have different processes. What

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Speaker 2: I tend to suggest to people is that once something's

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Speaker 2: on the Internet, then it is there. It is there wherever.

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Speaker 2: Once that information is out there, it's very very hard

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Speaker 2: to get back. We don't have to share our personal

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Speaker 2: information if we don't want to. We don't have to

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Speaker 2: use these third party apps if we don't want to.

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Speaker 2: That's a really important thing to remember. So we're encouraging

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Speaker 2: people certainly to think about what kind of apps that

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Speaker 2: they're downloading and they are not you know, they'd be

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Speaker 2: comfortable with their information getting getting out, getting to different places,

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Speaker 2: being managed by different countries, different you know, different systems,

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Speaker 2: things like that.

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Speaker 1: Nadia always good to talk to you. Thanks for runningus

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Speaker 1: through at Nadia. Usef New Zealand manager for sisolins. So

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Speaker 1: if you've got embarrassing stuff on there, get it off.

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