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Speaker 1: Hello, you're almost forgotten your mic button.

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Speaker 2: Entry just geting. But I was also looking at your

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Speaker 2: smiling face and going, thank goodness, you're back. Thank you

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Speaker 2: are you, buddy?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well indeed, thank you. Now.

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Speaker 2: The Ethnicity Priority list, the list that prioritizes treatment on

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Speaker 2: the base of ethnicity, the list that Health New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and I ever existing. Well, look at that that list disappeared.

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Speaker 1: Well, isn't it interesting that you remember the bombshell that

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Speaker 1: was dropped about this time last year. It caused all

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Speaker 1: sorts of friction, not just from the public's point of view,

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Speaker 1: but certainly within the political system as well. A review

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Speaker 1: that's just out today and that was carried out by

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Speaker 1: Health New Zealand said that it was legally and ethically

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Speaker 1: justifiable but didn't follow best practice. Well you can't. You

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Speaker 1: can't justify any waiting list based on ethnicity. And I

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Speaker 1: got it from the medics. I got basically the list

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Speaker 1: showing me that if you were Mali or Pacifica you

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Speaker 1: would take a much higher place on the list than

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Speaker 1: if you were Pakia, or Indian or Chinese or any

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Speaker 1: other ethors.

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Speaker 2: I've seen the list. There's like twenty different ethnicities and

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Speaker 2: they're ranked one to twenty. Yeah, you know that's our list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and it's to me, it was reprehensible

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Speaker 1: and it's nice to see a good conclusion to the story.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: At the time, you'll remember that National and Act they

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Speaker 1: both strongly opposed prioritization being given on ethnic grounds. David Seymour.

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Speaker 1: He went further. He said that the government treats New

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Speaker 1: Zealanders differently depending on who their ancestors are, and that

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Speaker 1: seemed to be true. But I'll tell you what this

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Speaker 1: was the then Minister of Aisha Verraal's defense of the

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Speaker 1: policy when she spoke to here the last June.

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Speaker 3: What I am not okay with as the fact that

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Speaker 3: we know those very long later as people who are

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Speaker 3: Mary Pacific.

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Speaker 4: If you're okay with me, if you're okay with your policy,

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Speaker 4: you're okay with it. Say that you're okay. So you

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Speaker 4: are okay that a sixty two year old marty man

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Speaker 4: who was waiting a shorter period for surgery got it

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Speaker 4: ahead of a woman who's fourteen years older and waited

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Speaker 4: two weeks longer because she's Pakiha, you're okay with that?

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Speaker 3: I am. I am not Okay, with the fact that

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Speaker 3: it has there is clear evidence that we don't get

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Speaker 3: the same surgical access for people from the country. For

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Speaker 3: Marti and Pacific a teaminal.

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Speaker 4: You don't sound like you even believe in your own policy.

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Speaker 3: And they need to turn it around. No, look, I

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Speaker 3: am happy with the policy.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go. But I'll tell you what a

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Speaker 1: spokesman from Health New Zealand he said today that they're

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Speaker 1: looking at the possibility of adopting a new prioritization que

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Speaker 1: for the whole health systems, but no decisions have been made.

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Speaker 1: We'll tell you what I can make the decision for them.

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Speaker 1: Just base it on need. That's what the surgeons believe,

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Speaker 1: and just base it on need. If you need healthcare,

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Speaker 1: you need it, regardless of what ethnicity you come from.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, okay, we've got discipline disciplined for Julianne Jenta, Well,

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Speaker 2: is it disciplined or not? It's not really as well.

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Speaker 1: It's a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.

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Speaker 1: And I must say I said at the time Andrew

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Speaker 1: hate to be was proven right, But I said that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what she would get. Now the Privileges Committee met

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Speaker 1: and you'll remember the antics of her rushing across the

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Speaker 1: house to Matt Doocey, waving paper in front of his face,

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Speaker 1: almost spitting in his face as she leaned towards him. Now,

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Speaker 1: that is unprecedented in my view in parliament. The worst

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Speaker 1: that had happened up until then was a bar row

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Speaker 1: pen I think, being thrown at Jeffrey Palmer once. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what in Parliament today, Jenta delivered the

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Speaker 1: part of the privilege's decision that was required of her

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Speaker 1: in the slap on the wrist with the wet bus ticket.

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Speaker 3: Is she is.

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Speaker 2: I apologize unreservedly for my conduct in the House on

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Speaker 2: the evening of the first of May twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Let me tell you what. There are people

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Speaker 1: I've talked to in Parliament about today, and there are

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Speaker 1: people who believe that she should have not only been

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Speaker 1: censured what she has been, she should have been penalized

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Speaker 1: as well. And what they can do is suspend them

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Speaker 1: from the House saved for a week, and they suspend

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Speaker 1: their wages for a week as well. That's what should

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Speaker 1: have happened here because that was unruly in the extra.

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Speaker 2: It's a red card speaking about talking to people U

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Speaker 2: from Parliament. You were talking to Jerry Browne over the

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Speaker 2: course of today, could a bit of argie bargie about

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Speaker 2: him and the pelpins and insignia and all this sort

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Speaker 2: of thing, and he's falling out with David Seymour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the interesting thing is here that the point

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Speaker 1: that I think the Speaker would make is that look,

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Speaker 1: la pelpins, they're very small, they're inoffensive and you remember

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Speaker 1: John Key always wore a silver fan on his lapel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that wasn't a political statement. The Act one is.

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Speaker 1: And the point that Jerry Browne made, and he makes

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Speaker 1: the rules around Parliament, is entirely within his right to

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Speaker 1: do that. He said political logos in Parliament should be

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Speaker 1: banned totally. Now it seems I guess penny pinching. But

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Speaker 1: you know, if you make one rule, it's got to

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Speaker 1: be abided by. And I think Act you know that

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Speaker 1: they're obviously trying to get under the Speaker's skin and

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Speaker 1: are succeeding, I think. But really it sounded draconian to

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Speaker 1: me that you can understand the reasons.

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Speaker 2: Why very so lovely to have you

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